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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: shavethewhales on October 25, 2011, 09:33:38 PM

Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 25, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
So I haven't been paying attention to the forums as much recently due to my workload, but I noticed tonight that several people have been mentioning ride ops openly stating that a new coaster is coming next season to Wilson's farm. U Smell Smoke even mentioned seeing purple markers in the area behind TGS.

Has anyone else seen these markers? Can anyone get some photos on their next trip? We'd all be greatly appreciative.

Ride ops are definitely not reliable in terms of these kinds of rumors. Rumors about new rides tend to fly around among park employees just as easily as they do on forums like this one. However, we do have a surprisingly good track record of hearing about new rides from park employees at both SDC and DW, so you never know. With this many people saying the same thing, something might be up, but it might be a rumor based on something that won't actually pan out, or might be coming in 2013 instead of next year.

We're getting pretty close to the time that the park would announce a new ride if they're getting one, and construction would probably have already started to some degree if it's anything as big as a new coaster. DW's new coaster is already structurally complete, and most of the other coasters coming next year are well under way as well.

It seems more likely to me that the park is getting ready to start preliminary work on a ride that will open in 2013 - probably the rumored woodie. However, you never really know how these things work behind the scenes. Maybe we'll be surprised this season. Season passes go on sale next week, I think, so we'll probably know for sure soon.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 26, 2011, 05:52:35 AM
Shave,  yes i actually saw markers out by the train track 3 weeks ago,

 I wondered then what for? thought maybe they were checking elevation of track or something...??

I did not walk out by the swing and look for other markers.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on October 26, 2011, 08:33:22 AM

Thinking about a new coaster in that area.  Seems strange they would wall off new areas for expansion making it  more difficult to use the area behind the coaster.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on October 26, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
Ah, yes Autumn. The leaves are turning colors, the air is crisp, and the rumors at Silver Dollar City are spreading like wildfire. Love it! ;D

We have seen flag markers before, with nothing to come from it (example: Waterboggan). Since flag markers could be used for different types of surveying, it will be difficult to come up with any concrete answers just yet.

I do agree that Silver Dollar City needs something new to push ticket sales.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:37 AM

We have seen flag markers before, with nothing to come from it (example: Waterboggan). Since flag markers could be used for different types of surveying, it will be difficult to come up with any concrete answers just yet.


It would be nice if these new flags continued around the lake and tied into the flags that were surveyed for the Waterboggan area.

A nice long "out and back" type twister coaster similar to Prowler would be great. A wild fast ride through the trees and close to the ground, might cut down on construction time too...

Jay
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 27, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
i dont think that will happen jay, that would be the ride above and beside the RR tracks for too long...

But other than that, behing the lake is a great idea..
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on October 27, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
Hello, strangers. It's been a very rough year for our family so I've been silent on the board(s) for quite some time. Nice to see some new chatter and speculation around a possible addition to the park.

Several months ago, I reached out to HFEC to see if they would provide any answers with respect to what we might expect at SDC in the next year beyond the addition of HDH. Specifically, I asked if we could expect a new, major thrill ride anytime soon. I also offered my list of personal reasons why I think adding a new coaster is warranted at this time. Apparently, my message drew some attention as it was forwarded to SDC and graciously returned by a woman from upper management who even provided her number and invited me to stay in touch.

Anyway, she explained in her response that next season (2012) we can anticipate SDC focusing on improving their festivals, but much bigger plans are on the horizon.

I realize this isn't any real news, but it seems to be consistent with the ideas floating around here that any markers seen in the park could be indicative of something in the works for 2013, not anytime before.


 
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 27, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
good info there! Now we can speculate as what is going to be improved festival wise. which is always fun! Thanks for sharing backintime! keep updating us!
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 27, 2011, 04:01:45 PM
Thanks for the update BackInTime9, the more info we get the more it all seems to point to next year being quieter addition-wise, but we'll have a new coaster project to watch apparently.

If they're getting started on it now, it could be a very sizable ride. If it's going behind the barn, they'll have a ton of earth to move, trees to clear, geotech work, and they might have to move/rebuild the train barn and some maintenance areas.

With Prowler at WOF being so close and so highly lauded, and the three big woodies at SFStL so well known, it seems like if they're going to woodie route that they'll definitely want to make it big and special. I don't think it will be an extreme ride necessarily, but it could have a number of special features such as 90 degree turns, tunnels, and thematics to set it apart from the others. SDC seemed like they were ready to lay down big bucks for a Mystery Mine concept not too long ago, so they probably could budget a lot toward this ride beyond just building a typical wooden coaster. Their money will go a lot farther with a wooden coaster in any case.

Take a look at the Knight Valley coaster that GCII recently built: http://rcdb.com/9039.htm?p=35941
It takes up way more space than I think SDC would use, but it certainly shows what GCII has been doing recently, and how the terrain at SDC could lend itself to a coaster like this.


Here's a look at the area where the station could go, definitely lots more space there than it might seem, though the cabin might have to go:
(http://i.imgur.com/Yh1V2.jpg)

And here's more of an overview of the area where the track would run. There's a steep drop off just north of the train tracks into a ravine that is bordered on both sides by those maintenance buildings. I could see there being a short lift over the train tracks, then a drop down into the ravine where the track would cross over itself a number of times, maybe running out beyond the pond and around behind the big maintenance area. Or, it could run down the ravine towards the current robbery point, but I kind of hope it doesn't, as that's pretty much the last place on park that you can't hear rides running anymore, and it would sure hurt the experience...
(http://i.imgur.com/RvvsG.jpg)



Whew, that's a lot of writing. It's been to long since we had something good to speculate over! Might have to split this off into a 2013 thread soon.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 27, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
well shave you are the master speculator. I am sure your right on the money on this.  The area you have pictured is where all the markers are scattered out around the tracks,,  soooo...............................................
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on October 28, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
I think they are building the SDC Fans Members only lodge.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 28, 2011, 03:09:23 PM
does it have a secret entrance, handshake and password?
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 28, 2011, 04:44:32 PM
Hey rube!,  since you mentioned the members lodge.

 have they started on the 3000 + room addition yet?   Hope so, and i hope it has a big cozy fireplace..
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 28, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
rub it in sand dune---rub it in!!
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on October 29, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
How are they going to squeeze in a “major” ride into that area? There are so many out-of-theme buildings, and equipment in the back of the park that they have their work cut out for them. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

It still drives me crazy to the see an employee parking lot from Thunderation.  :o ;)
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on October 30, 2011, 07:20:28 PM
has anybody heard what new shows might be appearing next year? Are we going to see a new show for the Saloon? How about a new GAC show? I look forward to hearing all that is going to be new for the 2012 season.
Title: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on November 06, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
Has anybody that has been to the park lately noticed any new markers behind the swing or along the railroad tracks? Didn't know if maybe something has been done for a possible 2013 coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 07, 2011, 04:55:52 PM
Finally split this topic off, since it looks official that there's nothing coming for 2012.

I might be at the park on black friday, so I'll be sure to grab some shots of the markers and post them by then if no one else has.

In other news, IAAPA is coming up and GCII (the makers of HFEC's wooden coasters) is hinting that they have some projects to announce. I don't know that SDC would let them announce the entire project, but they usually say things like "we have 2 projects in North America this year" or something like that, and the enthusiasts like myself are usually able to narrow it down from there. With construction potentially starting so soon, I wouldn't be surprised to hear something out of them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Avalanche04 on November 07, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
sounds interesting shave, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: busymom4kc on November 09, 2011, 01:14:45 PM
I am all for them improving the festivals, bringing in new blood, new ideas. Seeing the Silver Dollar City Times 2 weeks ago shows me they really are working on making the festivals better. That is something my husband and I appreciate very much. I am a rider but my hubby can't ride the bigger rides so when it's the two of us we do a lot of shopping and listening to the many show choices. I really hope they continue to keep the familiar groups/bands that we all have come to associate with our favorite place but the addition of fresh faces is welcome. The last thing we want to happen is to become bored with the same festivals and daily acts year after year. Glad they addressing this concern.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 09, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
yes, all the changes for next year sound very promising and some are WAY past due!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on November 13, 2011, 07:10:29 PM
Call it wishful thinking, or reading between the lines, but I just returned from a two-day trip to The City and thought I would share what I thought was an interesting little tidbit. While standing next in line in the Powder Keg station Friday night, I got the attention of one of the operators and quietly, but point blank asked him, "So, have you heard any news about a new coaster coming to the park in 2013?" He paused for a second, and with a clear smirk on his face (as if to say, you're not supposed to know that) he quietly replied, "I don't know anything."  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 17, 2011, 12:35:42 PM
The anticipation, and speculation shall build!  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 17, 2011, 02:46:00 PM
The anticipation, and speculation shall build!  ;)

AS it does year after year!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 27, 2011, 12:42:05 AM
So this weekend I finally got to see these markers for myself, and my interest is definitely piqued. I didn't spot all that many markers, just a couple of little purple flags and a couple of stakes with orange ribbon on them. One of the stakes is right by the left hand side of the tracks so close it's almost within reach of the passengers, and the other is in the tree line on the far side of the cabin from TGS. The purple flag I saw is also in that tree line, and I saw the remnants of another purple flag near the tracks. They're very hard to spot, so I didn't get any photos. I assume most of the markers are down in the valley or farther back behind the cabin where we can't see. Once the train comes out of the tunnel you've only got a few seconds to look back and to the right to see them, and you have to look close.

Anyway, the purple flags are usually used to indicate reclaimed water lines. I don't know what that could mean, but maybe they have a culvert or something close underground that needs to be moved. If they were pink, that would mean they were just temporary survey markings, but I think these were definitely purple.

The stakes however are obviously more permanent, which I would like to think points to something larger going on here than just working on a water line. I would think you'd only drive a stake marker if you've got a big project where your markings have to stay resilient for a long time...

It'll be interesting to see if they use this off season to do anything like move power/water utilities around this area in preparation for whatever is coming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 27, 2011, 08:28:48 AM
Just talked to my husband who used to survey and while he did not use purple flag ribbon he did say that when he would tie ribbon to a stake it helps them see those stakes for taverse points. He also said if someone wanted to sell or somehow alter the land again they would have to go out and measure the land with the ribbon stakes and he would tie ribbon into the tree to help find a previous stake. now with the information from the last two posts you just read.......ready..........set............SPECULATE!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 27, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
Great eagle eyes shave! :o

I know nothing about survey stakes. I simply know that they mean something is being built, or routed, or torn down. One thing is for sure, something is definitely going on around the cabin, and behind the giant swing.

I bet this off season will really unlock some clues. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 28, 2011, 09:46:08 PM
Another report of an employee talking about a wooden coaster coming to the TGS area has been posted on Themeparkreview.com. Sounds like all the citizens have been told something, but I find it strange they all seem to think it will come next year. It makes me think this project might have been planned for 2012 originally, but was pushed back when the 2011 season ended up being so sluggish. Wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 29, 2011, 07:32:38 AM
unless they break ground this winter, and are planning on finishing the project after the park opens nest year.....  BUT IF they were going to do that, I think they would have "announced" the "NEW" ride!...

Sooooooooooooo?????????????????   

WAZZUP???   SDC?????   ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on November 29, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
Or it just not be the BIG coaster that we all dream of.

My bet is they begin construction summer 2012 so it is ready early in the spring 2013.

J.ay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on November 29, 2011, 07:20:01 PM
Or it just not be the BIG coaster that we all dream of.

My bet is they begin construction summer 2012 so it is ready early in the spring 2013.

J.ay

I'll agree with that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on December 19, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
Aaah it's great to be back on SDCFans after a very busy first semester of college.

While I'm a little disappointed SDC won't be getting anything major in 2012, I guess it makes sense for them if they're then able to go all out on a woodie in 2013. I'm very excited to see the progress of this ride. It's been too long since we've had a new coaster at SDC!

But if this is going in behind TGS, what does that do about the Waterboggan tower? Are they still going to leave it just standing there, or possibly save it for future projects still?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on December 19, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
maybe they will fulfill my wildest dreams and build a bigger better awesome possum waterboggin ride. Much like the water coasters you see poppin up.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 19, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
I think they're saving the waterboggin site. Honestly I expect them to eventually add an adventure mountain concept there that could tie in with Geyser Gulch somehow. The old waterboggin tower is perfect to set up a zipline from.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on December 20, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
I think they're saving the waterboggin site. Honestly I expect them to eventually add an adventure mountain concept there that could tie in with Geyser Gulch somehow. The old waterboggin tower is perfect to set up a zipline from.

I agree. I could totally see something like Adventure Mountain coming in where Waterboggan was. Maybe and hopefully we will see that GCI for 2013 behind Giant Swing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on December 21, 2011, 09:11:21 AM
We do some of our best speculating during Off-Season! Mainly because it's all we have until March. I for one, am excited about speculating and dreaming up things with all of you over the next few months!
Question: This time last year, had Half Dollar Holler been announced yet?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 21, 2011, 10:41:21 AM
^Yes, it was. We have it as confirmed as it gets that no major addition will come next year. I get the feeling more and more that they've delayed things again due to economic uncertainty. This would be something like the third time they've done that this decade. Still, it seems almost certain something big will come in 2013.

Anyone see anything new going on at the markers?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on December 21, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
oh yes dollar,, by this time last year HDH had been announced and pictures put out. 
the elevation and utility flags were all over the place, and they had a fence built along the walkway on both sides of becca's weaving.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on December 21, 2011, 02:53:09 PM
Tell me if there is economy uncertainy, why has Dollywood gotten to major attractions in two years ( their version of TGS and this new Eagle Coaster) and we got a two year wait for HDH or RB.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on December 21, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
I doubt if we will ever know the truth about why DW has had such expenditures and yet SDC sit here like the mistreated stepchild :'( :'( :'( :'( 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on December 21, 2011, 08:58:51 PM
One: Dolly Partons name is on that one.
Two: How much profit does SDC make vs Dollywood?
Three: Are there more visitors to Dollywood to accomodate (sp) the new rides?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 21, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
I don't think it's worth comparing SDC's situation to Dollywood's. DW is a bigger park with more attendance and is situated in a more populated area that is doing better economically than the area around Branson. Plus, DW obviously has the Dollywood company and Dolly's sponsorship, so who knows what deals are tied up in that.

It sucks that we keep having "dead years", but what are you going to do when attendance is down, the park is slashing their gate price to beg for guests, and hours are being cut? I'm sure it wouldn't be responsible to go and splurge on another $10 million or more coaster right now.

I mean, I'm getting kind of restless myself with there not much new to look forward to since 2007, but at least the park is still what it is and that's always worth coming back for.

At least we have the markers and the hope that something big is going to grow there over the next year. If it ends up being one of the things I've heard it could be, we could see construction start relatively early next season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on December 22, 2011, 07:26:00 AM
Maybe attendance is down because SDC is not adding exciting new things to create and keep a buzz going.  Granted, for us hardcore SDC fans, the atmosphere of SDC is enough to keep us going back but it might not be enough for the marginal person (and majority of people) out there.  It could be a large number of people have "been there and done that" in respect to SDC and they need a new reason to experience all it has to offer again.  Could the reason Dollywood is doing so well be the fact that they have invested in the park with new rides and experiences.  Sometimes in business you have to spend a quarter to make a dollar.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on December 22, 2011, 08:33:04 AM
I dont think I want much more going into SDC. I dont want a giant six flags or dolly wood. I like my small/medium park with a handful of rides, food, shows and craftsmen. I dont go to get my thrill on. I go because for me, SDC is a warm pair of pajama pants. No fancy thread count. Plain upfront comfort. SDC is pure unadulturated bliss as it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on December 22, 2011, 08:59:36 AM
I like your description...add a pair of fluffy, comfortable slippers!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on December 22, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
I dont think I want much more going into SDC. I dont want a giant six flags or dolly wood. I like my small/medium park with a handful of rides, food, shows and craftsmen. I dont go to get my thrill on. I go because for me, SDC is a warm pair of pajama pants. No fancy thread count. Plain upfront comfort. SDC is pure unadulturated bliss as it is.
Good point, but with Waterboggin and Splash Harbor being taken out a couple of rides is not necessarily growing the park...In my opinion, the rule of thumb should be if you take one attraction out it should be replaced with one...The waterboggin thing still confuses me...I would still like to see an adventure mountain type of ride replace it...I still think the Roaring Falls idea in place of Splash Harbor would be a great idea where you plunge into Lake Silver...I will say not only is DW getting all the rides it seems like they get the bigger name performers during their Bluegrass Festival (Ricky Skaggs, Dailey and Vincent, etc.)...Come on Herschend, show SDC a little love...How about updating/refurbishing American Plunge...again, that wouldn't be adding anything to the park or making it bigger...Just a couple of thoughts...but I do agree, I also don't want it becoming a giant six flags...I love the down home feeling you get at SDC...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on December 22, 2011, 03:08:44 PM
I am all for updates/refubs. In fact I would ADORE that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on December 22, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
josh, perfecr scenario there...remove one, add one..  keep it alive.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: IASTClone on December 27, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
Dirt should be getting moved soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on December 28, 2011, 04:36:23 PM
I doubt if you see any dirt being moved for a while...  If they wanted us to see/know what was going on. I think they will let us know what is going to be built, before they get serious about construction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on December 29, 2011, 08:41:07 AM
^ not necessarly. Dirt was being moved, track was spotted, and Dollywood hadn't announced any details up to that point.

This is just my opinion on what you'll see (if it is the big coaster we all want, and what SDC hinted to at ACE Coaster Christmas):
March 2012 - groundwork, clearing
June 2012 - begin construction
December 2012 - complete major construction
Winter break 2013 - detail construction (testing if weather allows)
Spring 2013 - "The Bull - Wooden Coaster" opens

Of course dependent on size, you could see things begin earlier, or later.......If it's big, I wouldn't doubt you could see things start in a couple of weeks just to be able to make a Spring 2013 date.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on December 29, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
I think that a big ole wooden coaster would be awesome but on the other hand I dont want to loose more trees. I am torn. I think I value the scenery over another thrill ride. Even my 5 year old was watchin a youtube video of the city and turns to me and said the trees are having an exceptional day today. I dont want to loose that quality of the City. If I want coaster central I would go to cedar point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on December 29, 2011, 11:46:03 AM
In 30 years, when your son is taking your grandson, the tree's will be back, and then we'll be in business.  IMHO, anyway.  But I totally understand and agree.  Trees should be considered one of SDC's greatest resources and every effort made to save as many as possible.

edit: added everything after "IMHO"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on December 29, 2011, 05:08:24 PM
While waiting to ride the Barn Swing Tuesday I asked one of the ride attendants if SDC was going to get a new ride for 2012.  He said "no, but we're getting a new roller coaster for 2013".  He said it was still supposed to go in the area behind the Barn Swing.  I asked what kind of coaster it was going to be and he said he did not know because they have not told them yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 29, 2011, 07:31:31 PM
I would not be surprised if they're not out there as soon as the season ends cutting down trees and clearing brush so that they can survey and prep the site early. If this thing is as big as I think it will be, then cowboy's timeline should be pretty spot on. I expect something on the scale of what Dollywood has done recently with their new coasters, and they always spend the season before hand getting the work done early so there are no surprises. Heck, Wild Eagle has had it's track complete for a month or more now and the 2011 season isn't even over yet!

Maybe they'll have a big teaser campaign like DW usually does as well. I think they were going to try one with RiverBlast, but the delay and the artwork leak kind of dampened things a bit there. This would be a first for them, wouldn't it?

And as for the trees, just look at the Wilson's Farm area and you'll see that SDC hasn't lost their touch when it comes to keeping trees in place around their new additions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on December 30, 2011, 12:03:56 AM
So is this new rollercoaster the projected "woodie" everyone has been longing for? I wonder how the old Robber's Shack will be implemented into the theming for the ride, or if it will be moved or just destroyed? I pray they preserve the shack in some fashion. I have a lot of fond memories of that little log building, both as a visitor who enjoyed the robberies, and as a "citizen" who spent break times hanging out with buddies inside there.  (I remember visiting with my friends there on break time and watching the robberies from INSIDE the shack. The windows were milk colored frosted plastic, and one had a little hole in it a person could look out of. It was always funny watching those shows from what essentially was "backstage" and watching the folks on the train react to the skit.)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on December 30, 2011, 10:47:07 PM
I doubt if you see any dirt being moved for a while...  If they wanted us to see/know what was going on. I think they will let us know what is going to be built, before they get serious about construction.

There were trackhoes and dump trucks behind Wilson's farm/maintenance area today, looked like there was some excavation already going on. Saw this on the train, after you sort of get "out of the park" next to Wildfire there were some locate marks for utilities and some stakes/flags, then looking off to the right across the holler was where the trackhoe and such was. Looked like a maintenance building and parking lot near them.

So is this new rollercoaster the projected "woodie" everyone has been longing for? I wonder how the old Robber's Shack will be implemented into the theming for the ride, or if it will be moved or just destroyed? I pray they preserve the shack in some fashion. I have a lot of fond memories of that little log building, both as a visitor who enjoyed the robberies, and as a "citizen" who spent break times hanging out with buddies inside there.  (I remember visiting with my friends there on break time and watching the robberies from INSIDE the shack. The windows were milk colored frosted plastic, and one had a little hole in it a person could look out of. It was always funny watching those shows from what essentially was "backstage" and watching the folks on the train react to the skit.)

Are you talking about the shack they use now or a different one? From what I saw tonight it looks like it's going in the wooded area between the train tracks and Wilson's farm and doesn't seem to be going as far (northwest?) as the current shack.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on December 30, 2011, 11:25:06 PM
Now that you can clearly see earth being moved in the woods, from on top of PK, today...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on December 31, 2011, 06:56:13 AM
I've read reports on another site that the coaster isn't going to be "The Bull" wooden coaster but is going to be a Mystery Mine ride instead.

Not sure if I like that idea. But oh well, something is better than nothing.

Jay

Edit and Update: the post on the other site has been updated to say that the current construction is for the "Bull" after all. Woo Hoo!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 31, 2011, 03:40:53 PM
^Which site is that? I've also heard a number of rumors flying around myself. Rumors of both a woodie and a MM concept for SDC have been around for the past 5 years at least, so it's not surprising that there are people claiming either one for 2013. In fact, I'm sure that at one time or another in the past 5 years we would have gotten either or both attractions if it weren't for the darn economy. Back in 07-08 I really thought they had a MM style attraction planned for 2009 for some reason.

All we know is 2013 is going to be big! I'll take either coaster myself, though I think the woodie would please more of the SDC crowd. The MM style ride would certainly fit SDC's original style more though and would add to the atmosphere of the park more in some ways if it's themed out the wazoo like MM at DW is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on December 31, 2011, 04:16:07 PM
The old Robber's Shack is the little log cabin that the train robbers USED to to the skits from...directly behind the Giant Swing and across the tracks from FITH. The current shack the robberies are done out of has been there since the days I worked on park, but originally was just an atmosphere piece the train drove by.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on January 01, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
^Which site is that? I've also heard a number of rumors flyiig! I'll take either coaster myself, though I think the woodie would please more of the SDC crowd.

The site is www.ghettoassparadise.com, but the poster there has posted here before, so I'm not sure why he hasn't posted anything here yet. ???

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 02, 2012, 09:17:18 AM
i just want to know y no one has posted any pics of all the excitement yet? :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on January 04, 2012, 09:51:35 PM
Sadly, I must report that the "old" robber's shack no longer exists.  They knocked it down yesterday.  A lot of history...gone by the wayside in the name of progress.  I wish they could have found a way to incorporate it into the theme of the new ride.  Additionally, they have been doing some dozing down in the small hollow which is just across the tracks to the north of where the ORS was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 04, 2012, 10:24:13 PM
Thanks for the report.  'Tis sad.  They could have moved it.  I'm not so sure this one is worth agonizing too much over though.  Goodbye "old" robbers shack, we will miss you.  RIP.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 05, 2012, 01:01:37 AM
Bittersweet news. That old robbers shack was such a piece of the original atmosphere of the park. Who knows how many millions of people got robbed in front of it over the years.

However, I'm VERY pleased to hear that they're working down in the hollow, where I've said for years now that a terrain wooden coaster would fit in wonderfully. Heck, any kind of coaster that fits the terrain will do well in that hollow. This will be very interesting to see how this develops.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on January 05, 2012, 08:15:23 AM
I wonder if the bank robbery will still take place somewhere else along the tracks, or if it will also be a part of the past? My daughter though probably wouldn't mind if the bank robbery was gone for good.....she cried the whole time and refuses to ride the train even today because of it.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 05, 2012, 08:19:39 AM
file the cabin with the other lost sdc rides/attractions. While sad there is a season for every change in life. I do pray that the train show remains and I love to watch it even if I know every corny joke and phrase. Its a ritual for my family to ride the train and give a penny. :) The robbers shack will be missed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on January 05, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
Sad to read about the demolishing of the old Robber's Shack. It really seems they could have saved the hewn logs that made up the walls and placed this small building somewhere on park or in another location around the RR tracks. That was the home of the Bowlin Gang for about 40 years. Things will never be the same. Looking forward to the new attraction in that area, though. Time marches on...in the meantime, take a look at the Flickr site for a couple of 1978 shots of the old SDC Robber's Shack, taken from the "From Silver Dollar City Wish You Were Here" picture booklet that was sold on park.             http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 05, 2012, 08:53:14 AM
I love that new picture Jr!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 05, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
I am also surprised they could not have saved the cabin, The new ride will be themed with the rest of the park, so...... Why lose the cabin?

On the upside, with very nice weather they (contractors) should be able to get a lot of prelinary work done...  then next march we will be able to see what was done...

Junior, I also like you new pic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 05, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
Let me just say that the removal of the Old Robbers Cabin really ticks me off. The "new" shack/cabin where the train robbery now takes place is so much smaller and less authintic (IMO). UGH! More SDC history LOST!

Junior: I like your new picutre as well
sanddunerider: I just noticed your signature ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 05, 2012, 11:42:08 AM
Thanks Dollar, i figured it was time to add that.  It has been on my email signature for a year now.  LOL>!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 05, 2012, 01:01:09 PM
I wonder if the bank robbery will still take place somewhere else along the tracks, or if it will also be a part of the past? My daughter though probably wouldn't mind if the bank robbery was gone for good.....she cried the whole time and refuses to ride the train even today because of it.

Jay

Jay, the train robbery has gone on in a new location farther down the tracks for several years now. They moved it after TGS was built due to the noise.

As for saving the cabin, it would have been a nice touch, but what would they have really done with it? There's not many places to put it, it wouldn't serve much use, and no one besides us would even notice it. We'll probably be the only ones who even notice it's gone next year. Oh well, I have HIGH hopes that whatever replaces it will contribute not only to the ride collection but also to the general atmosphere of the park. They have a great track record in the past few years with how TGS, RB, and to some extent HDH have fit in well with the park (though we can always argue about locations...).
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 05, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
They coulda put it in my backyard. I woulda used it for a play house with the kid.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 05, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
In the absence of pictures from within the park, could someone please post a google maps satellite shot indicating the area where work has started? Obviously we have a general idea, but it would be great to have some tighter reference as to the location of this ongoing development, not to mention something visual to fuel additional speculation with respect to what the final footprint may entail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 05, 2012, 04:25:47 PM
someone should post something on the sdc facebook page about the new ride and see what they say!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 05, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
someone should post something on the sdc facebook page about the new ride and see what they say!

Done. I'll let you know when they reply, but I wouldn't expect much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 05, 2012, 05:29:09 PM
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/sdcnewr800hdark.jpg)

"old" robber shack shaded bluish
TGS greenish

As you can see, some fine terrain.  That is about 100 ft down from the tracks to the bottom and another 120 or so all the way to the bottom of that valley to the northwest of the photos edge.

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_sdcnewr800hdarknocontour.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=sdcnewr800hdarknocontour.jpg)
without contour lines for reference

edit:darkened photo for visibility
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Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cocodane3 on January 05, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
ok so i asked sdc if the robber shack was removed for future developement. I also asked if it would replace the new robber shack or be placed on park. They deleted my post faster than a cat could lick its tail end.  :(not a surprise. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 05, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
Let's not blow up their facebook with stuff about this ride just yet, I'm sure they don't want people creating a stir over things like the robbers shack and bringing in bad publicity. If you must contact the park, use the contact form on their site or send an email.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 05, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
What are the two buildings in the north end of the picture that sit on each side of the high line cut?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 05, 2012, 07:54:15 PM
not a 100% but im pretty sure the first building is the stable and the second is greenhouses.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 05, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
ok so i asked sdc if the robber shack was removed for future developement. I also asked if it would replace the new robber shack or be placed on park. They deleted my post faster than a cat could lick its tail end.  :(not a surprise. ;)

It's not deleted. I've thought that before too, you have to click "everyone(most recent)" on their page and it's still there right above mine. Shave has a point though, we probably shouldn't be posting stuff on a public page about information we've gathered from insiders. However anyone who rode the train could see there is obviously something going on back there so that's why I felt it was ok to ask a general observation question.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on January 05, 2012, 10:46:39 PM
The Red lines are railroad track and the blue lines are service roads.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/SDC-newridearea.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on January 05, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
Wow, this is exciting! It has been a long time since we've had a major new addition to look forward to. What are they going to do with the service roads? Surely, they wouldn't leave them there with the new ride going in that spot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 06, 2012, 01:15:47 AM
Thanks for the graphic Zephon.

Coaster, it won't be hard to build over the service roads. Assuming it's a wooden coaster, I expect the lift will rise up over the tracks and maybe towards the service area where the earth work is being done. Then it could do a twisting drop into the ravine and swish around in there. I'm not entirely sure which direction they'll go. There's some good ravines farther down the train line, but I hope they don't build too close to the tracks so the train ride isn't further spoiled.

I just hope GCII brings out the air and forces on this one. I haven't gotten to ride Prowler yet, but that was pretty much what I wanted to see at SDC. Throw in a few extra curves and tunnels along with some cool theming and it could be world class.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on January 06, 2012, 02:04:03 AM
I dunno... I rode Prowler, and I guess I'm just not a fan of wooden coasters. I've been on that, on Timberwolf (which I don't count since it's such a stupidly old ride that even the most enthusiastic woodie fans complain about it), and on The Boss the year it opened.

Yeah, haven't found a wooden coaster I like yet... I still hate myself that I never made it to Celebration City and onto OzCat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on January 06, 2012, 08:26:25 AM
I really liked American Thunder (Evel Knievel) at Six Flags St. Louis. It was fast, felt out of control, but didn't beat you up.

I know things are just speculation at this point, but Rocky Mountain Construction (Texas Giant rehab) stated at IAAPA that they have a complete new coaster project for 2013, not a rehab. Could this new coaster at SDC be that Rocky Mountain Coaster? It wouldn't be a traditional wood coaster, but it would give you that look and type of ride, and it would also reduce maintenance time and cost.

Anyway, just a thought that crossed my mind  :-\

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on January 06, 2012, 10:51:06 AM
Jay, I looked up Rocky Mountain... That looks like a good compromise: the aesthetics and track layout/elements of a wooden coaster, but the smoother ride of a steel track. I like that.

I've only been to Six Flags once, ten years ago; we weren't there the whole day and I wasn't allowed on any rides that went upside-down, so after waiting some 2+ hours in line for The Boss and riding a couple of the more carnival-like rides, we didn't do much more than that. So I haven't been on American Thunder; was that there back then or is it newer?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 06, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Thank you Injun Joe and Zephon for obliging my request to see an overhead of the area in question. I too, am very interested to see in which direction any development may continue. Not sure if there is ample room in the forested area between the  structure marked "Mule barn" and TGS, but it would be very cool if a possible new coaster attraction anchored an expanded Wilson's Farm area with potential for additional shops, craftsmen concessions, etc. Having said that, a coaster called "The Bull" seems like it would be a seamless fit in Wilson's Farm, from a thematic standpoint.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on January 06, 2012, 11:04:24 AM
Oh yeah, here's a video of various POVs on one of Rocky Mountain's coasters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtbCi6xts7s

Now THAT is what I'm talkin' about. You get the aesthetics and uber-airtime of a classic wooden coaster, but the smooth ride of a steel coaster. I think I am now going to be crossing my fingers that Rocky Mountain's 2013 project is for SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 06, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
I also rode American Thunder just last summer. It opened in 2008. I don't have dozen's of other wooden coasters to compare it to, but I can tell you that I personally found it to be a great ride, considering it's conservative footprint. It offers plenty of airtime, speeds of almost 50mph, and the track crosses over or under itself 17 times. If SDC were to add something similar, with a more expansive layout that also offered larger drops and more speed, it could be a game- changing grand slam. But that's a big if.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 06, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
Anyone care to speculate how much HFEC may be investing in this project?

Thunderation – $7,000,000 (1993)
Wildfire – $14,000,000 (2001)
Thunderhead – $7,000,000 (2004)
Powder Keg – $??? (2005)
Mystery Mine – $17,500,000 (2007)

If there really is a major coaster project in the works, I personally hope it's SDC's most ambitious project to date. It can only help the park's cause.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: IASTClone on January 06, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
From what I have heard, the hope of a steel with the wooden feel is the plan.  Have also heard that it will have a significant first drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on January 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
First, I'd like to commend the few of us on here that were at the Coaster Christmas & didn't rush on hear to leak the info!  Out of respect to TPB, I swore I wouldn't leak any info "publicly", until physical construction began ;)  2nd, sigh, had I known the original Robber's Shack was not going to be saved/re-used, I would've begged them to let me move it to our land on the bluffs at Forsyth!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on January 06, 2012, 01:13:20 PM
Is there any chance the woodie from CC could be refitted and rethemed for this project?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 06, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
I don't know it sits on such a flat piece of land now that by the time you moved it and retrofit it you might as of just built a new one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 06, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
BackinTime, Powderkeg cost 10 million I believe, and don't forget the 22 million they're spending on Wild Eagle this year.

If it's a GCII woodie I wouldn't expect a huge figure though. 8 million will buy you a sweet GCII, OzCat only cost 4!

Junior: no way. We've talked before about how expensive it is to move these wooden coasters versus just building a new one, plus they'd have to make a HUGE flat space to put it. I feel like we're going to be dispelling this rumor over and over again in the coming year. ;)

Interesting that Rocky Mountain was brought up. I'd be cautiously optimistic if they were indeed behind this. The new Texas Giant has turned out marvelously, but they don't really have as much experience yet for me to really trust them. Their involvement would probably turn this into much more of a thrill coaster though, since they seem to use sharper lift hills and taller, steeper drops than GCII ever would.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on January 06, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
From what I have heard, the hope of a steel with the wooden feel is the plan.  Have also heard that it will have a significant first drop.

That would fit the description of Rocky Mountain's work; their Texas Giant is supposed to have an incredibly steep first drop, and it's got the "steel with the wooden feel" thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on January 06, 2012, 05:05:08 PM
Service roads will remain, although some may be re-routed a bit.  No traffic will be allowed on them though during park operating hours.  In the past, on these particular service roads, traffic has been allowed while the park was open.

Along with the old robber's shack being demolished, they have now cleared most of the trees off of that hill it sat on.  I don't know if that will be the location of the loading station, but it would seem natural to put it relatively close to the rest of the park, which that is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on January 06, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
Zephon, thanks for the updates. Are you allowed to post photos? We would love to see anything you can post.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 06, 2012, 05:35:17 PM
someone should post something on the sdc facebook page about the new ride and see what they say!

Quote from: Silver Dollar City
Yes, there will be a new attraction coming in 2013...stay tuned for details being released this summer! Thanks for asking David!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 06, 2012, 05:57:12 PM
LOL!!!  Now there is a lot of info!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 06, 2012, 06:46:30 PM
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_sdcnewrideozcat2.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=sdcnewrideozcat2.jpg)

Just for fun, I moved the Oz Cat to the City to see how it would fit, footprint wise.

edit:changed to clickable thumb
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 06, 2012, 08:43:49 PM
Well if they were to move the ozcat they would have to start dismantling it sometime soon i would think.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 07, 2012, 06:54:25 AM
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_sdc3altmysterymine.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=sdc3altmysterymine.jpg)

Or maybe try this on for size.  This one's not exact scale but very close.

edit: added last sentence
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 07, 2012, 08:48:08 AM
Both are nice fits in the area injun,

Oz cat fits in there very nicely, But i am sure that ozcat will not be an option.Too cost preohibitive to move and rebuild,

And I doubt a Mystery mine building in that area.  i think that would really mess up the "look" of the area. i would expect a mystery mine on the east side of the park in the WB area.

we will find out eventually what they are doing, but i expect a steel coaster themed accordingly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 07, 2012, 09:21:07 AM
Both are nice fits in the area injun,

Oz cat fits in there very nicely, But i am sure that ozcat will not be an option.Too cost preohibitive to move and rebuild,

And I doubt a Mystery mine building in that area.  i think that would really mess up the "look" of the area. i would expect a mystery mine on the east side of the park in the WB area.

we will find out eventually what they are doing, but i expect a steel coaster themed accordingly.

I guess they've never seen Mega Movers  ;D. 3 or 4 helicopters, some straps, unbolt OzCat from the footings and just fly it across 2 or 3 hollers and it's there. No assembly required.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 07, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
OK!! LARSON!! you win!!  Mega-Move the Oz Cat!!  yea baby!!!  LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 07, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
The Steel Dragon 2000, located at the Nagashima Spa Land park in Kuwana, Mia Prefecture, Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagashima_Spa_Land) is, and has been since it's opening in 2000, the world's longest roller coaster, steel or otherwise.

Here is how it will look when built in SDC for its 2013 opening.  It will be mirrored at the loading station so as to save the old robber's shack, which has only been torn down to confuse people.  As you can clearly see we have plenty of room for expansion as long as you folks keep kindly buying your season tickets and spreading the good word.

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_sdc3altsteelldragon2000v2.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=sdc3altsteelldragon2000v2.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 07, 2012, 06:28:35 PM
Fits nicely.  ;D Although I think it might be visible from the road.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 07, 2012, 06:36:59 PM
OK!! LARSON!! you win!!  Mega-Move the Oz Cat!!  yea baby!!!  LOL


Obviously that was tongue in cheek. And I know that's not going to happen. But seriously, I wonder if it is possible. Does anyone have any guess as to what a coaster would weigh? The only one I could find online was some behemoth steel contraption that weighed 900 tons.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 07, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
^It is in no way possible to move OzCat as a complete piece. If it were to be 'moved' it would be taken apart in sections called bents. Each bent would have to be inspected with parts replaced. All of the trackwork would have to be completely rebuilt.

The only times in history that wooden coasters have been "moved" have involved relatively small coasters such as the Starliner and the Phoenix that actually had a bit of historical significance and nostalgia behind them. In every case you end up using more new materials than old, so it really is about salvaging nostalgia much more than the physical ride. OzCat was fun, but it doesn't have a whole lot of nostalgia attached to it after operating for just 5 years. I know I'd be mad that they wasted both money and the opportunity to build something better if they ever tried to move it somewhere.

Back to the ride at hand, did you know Rocky Mountain Construction has worked on El Toro and T-Express, considered two of the wildest and most thrilling wood-hybrid coasters in the world? The more I look into them, the more I actually kind of hope they are in fact behind this project. However, I assume that if it is a wood coaster, the chain will stick with GCII, who they have a good relationship with. I think they want this to hit more of the family market. They can always hit the thrill seeking crowd with an MM concept some day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on January 07, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
The Zippin Pippin from Libertyland in Memphis was moved to a park up north somewhere. But, like Shave says, it really was a smaller coaster, and after reading his entry about how a moved coaster has to be refitted for a new location, I'd bet more of the Pippin was replaced then saved.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 07, 2012, 08:02:32 PM
I know it's not going to be moved. I was just thinking hypothetically if it was possible to pick up something that big in one piece.

After looking at some of the aerial shots I'm wondering just how big the footprint of this thing is going to be. I really wasn't thinking it was going to close to the access road and those buildings. The picture with OzCat superimposed doesn't seem to take up much real estate but I guess we don't know exactly what it's going to be yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 07, 2012, 08:06:06 PM
well i think if you tried to pick up the entire coaster (theoretically) you would find that once it was unbolted from its piers it wouldn't be strong enough to hold itself together while in the air. I also think it is going to be funny when this new ride turns out to not even be a rollercoaster at all!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 07, 2012, 08:21:48 PM
I'm confident HFEC will be pulling out all the stops for this project. SDC is long overdue for a major addition.

I also don't anticipate them adding another coaster with "family" in mind. TNT already fits the bill. And their last three ride additions have specifically catered to family and/or a younger target audience (GE, RB, HDH). I believe they recognize the need to make some noise with a new ride that will boost ticket sales, and improve the balance of park offerings with another very well done thrill ride attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 07, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
OK just some more fun facts for moving the oz cat with helicopters. 1. I couldn't find exact boardfootage for the oz cat so i just used 500,000 BF (found coasters from 320k to 1.7mil) at 500k BF of southern Pine you have a weight of 1,196,00 lbs or 598 tons. This weight doesn't include bolts nails chain etc. 2. The Sikorsky CH-53k (still in development for the government) heavy lift helicopter has a total lifting cap of 35000lbs. If would take 35 helicopters to lift the oz cat. 3. cost for a ch-53k around 50mil or 1.75 trillion for 35 of them. So in summary i don't think this would be a very fezable idea! :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on January 07, 2012, 09:13:09 PM
That's also not counting track. The biggest one that I could find was a Chinook that was rated at around 13 or 14 tons so I guess choppers are out. I'll get back on topic now, I promise.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on January 07, 2012, 09:58:11 PM
When the Waterboggan was built, they constructed some of the large wooden support trusses out in the parking lot across from Indian Pt. Rd., and then air lifted them by helicopter to set them in place.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 10, 2012, 08:45:37 AM
after looking at the google maps photos i got to looking around and found something pretty neat. I don't know if this has been talked about on here or not but if you actually download google earth and zoom in on SDC you can slide a timeline back and forth and see satellite photos from as far back as 1990. Some are in black and white and some are blurry but it is neat to see the changes at the park. Also if you look at the 2008 photo it is in the fall/winter and there are no leaves on the trees so u can see the whole park! Like i said don't know if anyone has talked abut this before but i thought it was cool.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on January 10, 2012, 12:09:12 PM
I remember someone talking about the timeline somewhere, but you're right. Really cool!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on January 10, 2012, 08:44:01 PM
They coulda put it in my backyard. I woulda used it for a play house with the kid.  ;)

If they'd put it on eBay and posted a link here, there would have been a bidding war!

I wonder how many Bowlin Boys lounged around that place over the years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 11, 2012, 08:42:29 AM
I wonder what the walls of that cabin would say.......
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 11, 2012, 06:02:15 PM
the stories those walls would tell would last for hours!!! OR maybe even for days
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Post by: Zephon on January 11, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
A lot of stuff that can't be repeated in public forums, that's for sure.
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 12, 2012, 08:20:37 AM
yes, zephon! :o :o 

Can you imagine the "rendevous" that happened there?  ::) ::) 

or maybe "imagine" is the wrong word .....  LOL!!
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Post by: Junior on January 12, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
I have true stories I could post here...but I won't. Let's just say here's to the memory of good times with good friends at the ole SDC Robber's Shack! ;)
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Post by: BackInTime9 on January 12, 2012, 11:13:06 AM
I know it's already been asked, but does anyone have offseason access to the park who might be able to share some pictures of the working going on at the site?
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Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 12, 2012, 11:27:19 AM
jr-ur such a story tease!  ;D
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Post by: joshblakebran on January 12, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
I know it's already been asked, but does anyone have offseason access to the park who might be able to share some pictures of the working going on at the site?
I'd also love to see some pictures of what's going on. What would be the timeline for the PTB to make an official announcement?
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 12, 2012, 02:28:34 PM
^I have heard that they will announce during the later part of the summer, although it would not be unusual for them to wait until late October or early November like they usually do. The chain seems to announce new coasters earlier, and with this one being so visible I would expect an announcement by September.

Don't look for construction photos this off-season though. The park probably doesn't want the buzz to really start just yet since we have a whole season more to go.
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Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 12, 2012, 02:34:57 PM
Just in time for my kid/my bday!! yay!! *humming happy bday to me!!* ;D
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 12, 2012, 03:16:58 PM
Shave is probably right, But i would not be surprised that an announcement early summer might happen.

With all the dirt,excavation and construction work going on, and with it being easily seen from the train..  Along with all of the anticipation for a new ride from everybody, i expect to hear details and answers early in the year..

we will see.
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Post by: SDC#1fan on January 12, 2012, 04:34:42 PM
Speaking of the train. What do you think the possibility of the train being closed for a while or at least on a day by day basis for construction of the ride over the train track?
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Post by: Zephon on January 12, 2012, 05:38:46 PM
There's really not much to see.  They've totally cleared the little hill where the robber's shack sat.  The caboose that you could see beyond the fence from the giant swing has been repositioned onto that cleared area, just across the road from where it did sit.  Whether that's temporary or permanent, I don't know.  The little draw just north of that robber's shack has been cleared of underbrush and smoothed out.  That's about all that can be seen to this point.
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Post by: Duelist on January 12, 2012, 05:50:43 PM
Thanks Zephon!
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Post by: BackInTime9 on January 12, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
It's too bad no one on the forum doesn't live close to the park and have access to a helicopter or private plane to run some overhead offseason recon. The park may be closed but that doesn't mean the airspace above is off limits. Speaking of which, anyone know if the Branson helicopter tours run this time of year, and if so, do they fly over SDC?
 
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Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 13, 2012, 08:29:48 AM
listen to us! Recon missions to aide our combined speculation.... ;D
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 13, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
they will fly over the city, I checked the rates once,,, about 375.00 per hour...

Dont think they tour this time of year, But I am sure for an hour they would fire up for a private ride!,,

Great idea!!
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Post by: BackInTime9 on January 13, 2012, 11:28:12 AM
So no one caught any pictures prior to the park closing for the year, and no one has off season access? Is it fair to assume we'll all be spending two more agonizing months waiting to get another glimpse of what might be happening...on the other side the tracks?  ;)
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Post by: thelarsonsix on January 13, 2012, 02:30:09 PM
So no one caught any pictures prior to the park closing for the year, and no one has off season access? Is it fair to assume we'll all be spending two more agonizing months waiting to get another glimpse of what might be happening...on the other side the tracks?  ;)

I took some pictures from the train on the last day the park was open, however:

My camera on my Blackberry is just ok in perfect conditions. When I took the pictures it was dusk, the train was moving, there were Christmas lights in the woods, and there really wasn't much to see. I'll look at them again and see if they're worth posting but I really don't think so. There were some wooden stakes, some utility markings (both near the train tracks) and across the holler behind the GS there was a trackhoe that had started clearing a few trees and some dirt. That's it. The City was only open for another 4hrs or so after that for the season so there wasn't much chance of park guests getting much more than that.
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Post by: Zephon on January 13, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
OK...I took a few pictures today.  As I said before, there's not much to see.

This is a composite of the hillside the old robber's shack sat on from a perspective of behind it.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/OldRShill3a.jpg)

This is looking up the hill toward where it sat from the tracks.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/OldRSsteps.jpg)

This is a shot of the draw to the north of the old robber shack location.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/NorthDraw1.jpg)
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Post by: Ozarks Gal on January 13, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
Breaks my heart a little. But I guess that is the price of progress...
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 13, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
Thanks Zephon! Interesting to see how close they're cutting to the maintaince area. I'm pretty sure some of that hilltop used to be a storage area. I see more stakes down in the valley - a possible indication of where track will go?
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Post by: Zephon on January 13, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
You're right, shave, it does get close, and most of that hill you see there is the result of years and years of fill, almost to the point of where that hoe is sitting.  I can't imagine it being solid enough to build on...but what do I know.
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Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 13, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
I like to think its our giant fan clubhouse they are building!!! Thanks for the pictures!
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Post by: Injun Joe on January 13, 2012, 10:02:05 PM
Great pictures! Thank you very much!
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Post by: Junior on January 13, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
Still sad to see the ole shack go...but time marches on. It will be exciting to watch them build in the vicinity over the next year. I've got my season pass and will be ready to hit the park in spring. Thanks for the photos, Zephon.
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Post by: BackInTime9 on January 14, 2012, 01:31:26 AM
Zephon,

Really appreciate you taking the time to grab some shots and share them with all of us. Really looking forward to seeing how this whole thing continues taking shape. If this is in fact going to be the woodie so many of us have been wanting for such a long time, I sure hope they plan on going big. 
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 14, 2012, 05:40:40 AM
Thanks zephon! we appreciate you being our "eyes" for next couple of months.
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Post by: SDC#1fan on January 14, 2012, 08:20:30 AM
The Pictures are Great! As far as building on fill dirt that is possible. There are places in the ocean where they make complete new islands out of fill. If they can do that sdc can build on anything they got.
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 14, 2012, 08:42:02 AM
Fill dirt is not big thing as long as it is properly compacted when put into place.
I backfill for buildings sites and against foundations all the time,
These contractor's know what they are doing!

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Post by: thelarsonsix on January 14, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
Thanks indeed! As far as building on fill, as far as we know that might end up being the que area since we have no idea what's really going on. That leads me to another question for any current/past citizens. How does management handle covering employees on new attractions such as this? I'm assuming they don't just tell everyone what's going on and then swear them to secrecy. On the other hand, there have to be blueprints somewhere and I would think maintenance or someone else currently on park would have some idea what's going on. I'm not trying to pry more information out of anyone but I am curious how with so many people working on park during construction (especially if it's going to continue for an entire season) this can keep from being leaked out.
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Post by: Junior on January 14, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
When the American Plunge, Tom Sawyer's Landing, Echo Hollow, Courthouse Theater, and other attractions from my era at SDC were built, there was not as much hoopla and as many secrets as there are now. If you look way back on my early photos on Flickr, you will see the sign they put in front of the Jim Owens Float Trip in fall of 1980 to announce the AP. I personally don't remember any pomp and circumstance for the landing or the Courthouse Theater, very little about Echo Hollow. The announcements were made in the company news letter. There usually was not any big public awareness stuff put out until just prior to the season opening in spring. A handful of winter construction people were brought in from the folks who worked on the park in summer. Of course, the park has it's own maintenance and construction team in place year round. They fabricated parts in their own shops then, too. But with time, I'm sure much has changed. A current citizen will have to chime in on this further.
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 15, 2012, 01:43:49 AM
Thanks indeed! As far as building on fill, as far as we know that might end up being the que area since we have no idea what's really going on. That leads me to another question for any current/past citizens. How does management handle covering employees on new attractions such as this? I'm assuming they don't just tell everyone what's going on and then swear them to secrecy. On the other hand, there have to be blueprints somewhere and I would think maintenance or someone else currently on park would have some idea what's going on. I'm not trying to pry more information out of anyone but I am curious how with so many people working on park during construction (especially if it's going to continue for an entire season) this can keep from being leaked out.

I doubt they go to all that much effort to conceal what's going on. Nearly every employee on park last season seemed to know that a roller coaster is coming judging by the things a number of personnel told the people on this board when asked. I don't think SDC has ever tried to keep a project "secret" to any major degree, they probably just don't want the public to hear about more than what the park is ready to reveal at a given time. An awful lot of projects over the years have been changed, delayed, or otherwise modified over their development, and of course if the public were to know everything too soon it might cause problems and disappointment when things get delayed or changed.

Most of the general public isn't really affected by the "leaks" that come from sites like this. If you've found this site, you're probably among an elite .001% of SDC's audience that actually cares enough about the park to see what's coming in the future. For us, it's good to keep a buzz going so we have reasons to keep visiting obsessively.  ;) We just have to keep our hopes and speculation grounded in reality so we don't lead any potential visitors astray. For all we know, this could be the new home of the dippin dots stand.
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Post by: Injun Joe on January 15, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
It's the SDC World of Sports and temporary tattoo parlor complex for fulfilling all your basketball shooting and temporary tattoo desires.  Also a Justin Bieber/Selena Gomez themed karaoke/video making studio.  Dipping Dots not included but available for a modest upcharge fee.
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 15, 2012, 04:38:35 PM
Hey Injun!, dont forget the little building outback where they will paint the T-shirts ;)
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Post by: Injun Joe on January 15, 2012, 09:03:05 PM
Shhhh....don't want to give it all away. ;D
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Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 16, 2012, 10:33:38 AM
Although I highly doubt this will actually happen in this location of the park, but I am still hoping to see a return of Rube Duggan's Diving Bell. Behind Lake Silver or in the location of the old Watertaboggon would be a more ideal location of course.

I also have always been a fan of the "Icehouse" concept; dark rides in general have always been a favorite of mine.

There has been some speculation over whether this is going to be a wooden roller coaster or not, but also there has been some speculation about a Mystery Mine.

Guess we'll see, dirt moving is always a sign of progress. Lets just not rip anything else out, ok SDC?!  :P

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Post by: Joy on January 16, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
After riding the newly refurbished Star Tours 8 times (yes, you read that right), I can honestly say I would LOVE to see SDC build a similar ride themed to Rube Dugan's Diving Bell.

In terms of "eating" people, Star Tours has six simulators that hold 40 people each; there's a reason we were able to do the ride 8 times... The wait was always less than 10 minutes. And the 3D was AMAZING; so crystal clear and the glasses fit perfectly over my prescription glasses.

I can just imagine a Diving Bell simulator ride with similar technology, and I think it'd be a huge hit, especially if they programmed it the way the new Star Tours is programmed, where there are a few different options for the beginning, end, and locations visited, randomized by a computer so that you never know what combination you're going to get when you ride, which increases rideability. That's why we rode Star Tours so many times, 'cause we were trying to get all the possible choices, and even after 8 times, I never did get to go to Naboo.

So... yeah. I think a Diving Bell simulator ride would be amazing.

SDC should also consider looking into a "People Mover" type ride, like Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland Transit Authority, Spaceship Earth, and the new Little Mermaid. A continuously moving ride with dark ride elements that "eats" people like crazy. It'd be ADA compliant and people of all ages could ride it 'cause it isn't a thrill ride.

The problems SDC has is both in available land space and money. It costs a lot to have a ride as awesome as any ride in Disney; but I'm sure there are ride makers out there who'd jump at the chance to make a Disney-like ride for a smaller amount just to show that they can pull off the same kind of technology as Disney can. Land space-wise, well, SDC is so TINY at the moment when compared to other parks (which just amazes me all the more that they can pack so many rides and so much amazing theming into such a small amount of space), and it is located on such an enormously hilly terrain. I imagine the reason roller coasters have been such a big thing at SDC is because they're the best kind of ride for that kind of terrain. I mean, SDC had to use a parking lot for the Grand Exposition, 'cause where else would they have been able to put something flat like that?
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 16, 2012, 12:32:57 PM
sounds like fun, and you may have something for the PTB to think about..thanks
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Post by: Junior on January 16, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
If they ever did bring back the diving bell, and I hope they do, too, I'd just like to see them "tip their hat" to the folks originally associated with the attraction on park from 1977-1984. They could do this by displaying tintypes of the old crew members, and by listing names say on a "roster of volunteers" posted at the attraction. I would also be interested, as I'm sure a few of the other former "Juniors" would too, in taking part in the development of the ride, and if it featured in some way additional characters, I'd be interested in doing the voiceover work for some of that. In fact, if they wanted to get as many of the guys together for some sort of reunion to launch the ride, I'd be interested in that, too. I can honestly say my seven years at the park were some of the happiest I've ever had. Back then, it was the perfect place for a young fellow like me to work...during my latter high school and early college years. It was fun, the money was fair, and the friendships and related fun we all had hanging out together off park were fantastic.
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Post by: Joy on January 16, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
Those are amazing ideas, Junior!
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 16, 2012, 03:39:24 PM
SDC should also consider looking into a "People Mover" type ride, like Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland Transit Authority, Spaceship Earth, and the new Little Mermaid. A continuously moving ride with dark ride elements that "eats" people like crazy. It'd be ADA compliant and people of all ages could ride it 'cause it isn't a thrill ride.

I agree entirely, I've been trying to say the same thing for ages. As we all know, SDC used to copy Disney's rides to a certain degree, what with the Flooded Mine float through, the indoor coaster, the float trip, the various incarnations of tree houses and play forts, a run-away mine train, etc... Where did that go? I feel like they started lowering their standards after 2001 and started allowing themselves to just stay a step ahead of Six Flags instead of one step behind Disney.

To be fair though, it does take a massive amount of effort to build custom attractions at a certain level, and it's only gotten harder as SDC gets bigger and standards keep rising. Disney has a huge engineering team and a ton of turn-around time to get a project from conception to completion. This is actually pretty rare that we get to watch a project get built over a season, it only happens when there is a major delay.
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Post by: SDC#1fan on January 17, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
Shave I know of a couple of good candidates for SDCs new engineering team!
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Post by: oldsdcer on January 19, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
Maybe this ride will go under Lake Silver like Albert wanted.
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Post by: tiffanylynnt on January 19, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
Maybe this ride will go under Lake Silver like Albert wanted.

That would be really cool! An underwater roller coaster!

(For everyone who doesn't know, Albert was on Undercover Boss)
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 19, 2012, 07:51:38 AM
See, And i have wondered all along if they might do something like that when they took WB out.. As i remember joel was very impressed with the basic design.. 

How cool would that be??!!!
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Post by: Junior on January 19, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Hey, if they built this underwater roller coaster at Lake Silver, they would have to run it through a tunnel...if they themed it to look like a cave, they could put the "wreckage" of a diving bell down there, and maybe some barrels and gunny sacks containing Grandpappy Dugan's lost treasure of silver! Hey, what about some special effects so you could see Grandpappy...and maybe Rube's...ghost, or Eli Tolts' wrecked submergible? Ah, the possibilities.
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Post by: Junior on January 19, 2012, 08:18:32 AM
Part of that tunnel under Lake Silver could be plexiglass or glassed, and the roller coaster could run through it...kind of like those big walk through aquariums where you go through the glassed in tunnel and have fish surrounding you.
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Post by: Injun Joe on January 19, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
THAT, sir, ...would be more awesome than breakfast at Molly's.
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Post by: tiffanylynnt on January 20, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
That would be the coolest thing ever! And it would give me a good reason to look up all the fun little details about the Diving Bell, you know, so I get what all the themeing is about.
Right now I would look like some crazy SDC obsessed person, even though that ship has kinda sailed...  :P
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Post by: thelarsonsix on January 20, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
That would be the coolest thing ever! And it would give me a good reason to look up all the fun little details about the Diving Bell, you know, so I get what all the themeing is about.
Right now I would look like some crazy SDC obsessed person, even though that ship has kinda sailed...  :P

That ship is pretty full  ;D
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Post by: sawblade5 on January 21, 2012, 12:11:44 AM
For some reason I love the idea of having the Coaster Go Underwater into Lake Silver and having it themed to Rube Dugan would be quite awesome!
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 21, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
What an honor that would be. To have a ride/attraction built after you own idea.

In fact (albert), he should be just about out of school by now, and could/would be able to help in the design..
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 22, 2012, 11:52:32 PM
Here it is folks: confirmation at last! http://sdcfans.com/news/140

Rocky Mountain Coasters will be constructing this coaster from the ground up. Total cost of this plus the refurbishment of Rattler at Six Flags Fiesta Texas: $12 Million. It may include an inversion, a new type of train design, and some wild airtime and sharp drops!

My excitement for this project just went through the roof. This could end up being a top ten coaster, though the budget isn't huge. I'm hoping they're keeping it low by staying close to the ground in most spots and using less materials.  ;)

Edit: by the way, I purchased the article and will share it with anyone in private if you wish, just send me a PM. I would not advise posting it publicly since it is more stringently protected by copyright than most news articles due to the paywall.
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Post by: tiffanylynnt on January 23, 2012, 12:02:32 AM
I'm starting to get really excited about this! Oh, the anticipation....  ;)
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Post by: Injun Joe on January 23, 2012, 12:25:55 AM
Well now we know.  The new Texas Giant looks like fun on YouTube so this ought to be exciting too.  Congratulations to SDC and HFE and good luck with the construction and opening.  See ya in '13. :)
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Post by: Junior on January 23, 2012, 02:11:04 AM
Again, it will be interesting to see this project develop over the next year.
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Post by: cowboy on January 23, 2012, 03:02:56 AM

I know things are just speculation at this point, but Rocky Mountain Construction (Texas Giant rehab) stated at IAAPA that they have a complete new coaster project for 2013, not a rehab. Could this new coaster at SDC be that Rocky Mountain Coaster? It wouldn't be a traditional wood coaster, but it would give you that look and type of ride, and it would also reduce maintenance time and cost.

Anyway, just a thought that crossed my mind  :-\

Jay

Woot, woot! I can't believe my guess was right on the money. This news of Rocky Mountain is sweet indeed! should be one heck of an awesome ride.

Jay
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Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 23, 2012, 07:40:52 AM
I am offically hyperventalating.  ;D ;D :o :o I am really excited by this one!
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Post by: Joy on January 23, 2012, 08:04:04 AM
Now this is one wooden coaster I can definitely be excited about! WOOT!
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Post by: mhguy77 on January 23, 2012, 08:13:29 AM
Finally,
Something to talk about !!!!!
Now when will SDC make this anncouncement?

Artwork? Pictures? Name?
Will this be the bull coaster?
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Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 23, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
This is great news! Thanks Shave for finding the conformation & congrats to Cowboy for quessing correctly!

On another note,
My wife works at a retail clothing store here in Little Rock. A gentleman that was in the store said that he and his wife were here on vacation from Branson. My wife laughed, and said that we always go to branson for a vacation from Little Rock. She went on to say how much we love SDC. He said that he has worked at the Furniture Store at SDC for many years. He told her that the new ride would deffinatly be a wooden roller coaster, and that HFEC has considered moving the woodie from Celebration City, but doubts that will happen. She told him how obsesed I am about SDC and that I post about it all the time on the SDC fan site. She also told him that my dream job would be to work at SDC and he did this:  ::)

I was surprised that he gave her so much info about the new roller coaster, but I guess it has pretty much been confirmed now anyway.  ;D
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Post by: sanddunerider on January 23, 2012, 08:55:59 AM
well there ya go...  Now if we had some artwork to see just how it was going to lay in there.............
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 23, 2012, 11:40:15 AM
Finally,
Something to talk about !!!!!
Now when will SDC make this anncouncement?

Artwork? Pictures? Name?
Will this be the bull coaster?

There will be no announcement or artwork for some time seeing as this ride won't open until the 2013 season. I don't think they wanted this info to get out this early, but it was already printed in a newspaper so I didn't feel bad about posting it. Screamscape is actually the source that picked it up first and blew it into the enthusiast community.

I've actually heard this ride referred to as "The Bull" coaster before, but I still think that might just be a working name.

The only thing I'm a tad bit concerned about is the fact that they aren't spending all that much money on this thing. $12 million will be spent on both this and the Rattler refurb, so that depending on how much they are rebuilding of the Rattler they may be only spending $6-8 million. DW spent almost that much just on their Screamin Swing project.  ::)

There's also a rumor that RMC is building traditional-tracked wooden coasters now too, but it just seems like that wouldn't make sense for SDC to choose them for a traditional coaster with their great relationship with GCII. I'd be a tad peeved if this was a traditional style from RMC seeing as they have not proved themselves at all with actual wood track yet.

EDIT: According to this video, the ride will in fact use the new topper track and the new train design.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYwvDhh30aw&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: cowboy on January 23, 2012, 02:23:12 PM
I'm not quite sure about that budget either. Just looking at the Average cost per LF of the Texas Giant rehabilitation you get $2,032.52 per linear foot. The Rattler is 5,080 Linear feet so if you compare the two, the budget for the Rattler should be 10.3 Million. Which just leaves 1.7 million for SDC. I think if you throw in inflation in the cost of steel, ride demand, etc. - you could easily see the Rattler be 12 million just itself.

I'm wondering if the reporter mis-quoted Grubb and the report should have said, both jobs are valued at $12 million. As if each one would be $12 million apiece.

Jay

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Post by: sanddunerider on January 23, 2012, 02:33:04 PM
I just hope that they (PTB) do it right! SDC is way past due for a major attraction! I dont feel that RB counted as a major attraction since it is weather related, and of course HDH was just a nice addition for the kids.. 

SO bring it on!
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Post by: shavethewhales on January 23, 2012, 05:03:25 PM
Another interesting note, from the discussion on coastercommunity: it seems like the park may have chosen RMC because Alan Schilke, the designer of Powderkeg (and numerous other Arrow and, subsequently, S&S coasters), is now working for them. Alan hit an amazing note with PK, and I'm ecstatic to hear that he's probably designing this one as well.

I also find it interesting that they were emphasizing that steel wheels would be utilized on their trains - I assume they are faster?
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Post by: thelarsonsix on January 23, 2012, 07:48:28 PM
Another interesting note, from the discussion on coastercommunity: it seems like the park may have chosen RMC because Alan Schilke, the designer of Powderkeg (and numerous other Arrow and, subsequently, S&S coasters), is now working for them. Alan hit an amazing note with PK, and I'm ecstatic to hear that he's probably designing this one as well.

I also find it interesting that they were emphasizing that steel wheels would be utilized on their trains - I assume they are faster?

I was going to mention that also. While we're on that subject can someone give me a condensed version of coaster lingo? I was a little lost watching that video. Obviously I know what a wooden coaster is versus steel, but a couple of post back Shave you mentioned something about hoping it would not be a traditional coaster. Do you mean traditional as in a sit down versus stand up, etc. or something else? Also in the video there was some talk about it being a topper. Not sure what that meant either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 23, 2012, 08:34:21 PM
I believe he was referring to a traditional as a wooden coaster with a wooden track. A RMC has a wooden structure with a steel track on top of it. A topper is when they take the old wooden track off of an existing coaster and put on the new steel track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Major Havoc on January 23, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
Very exciting news!  I took a three-day "man-cation" (me and two buds from work) down to Six Flags Over Texas last year just to ride the NEW Texas Giant.  It was an amazing ride, smooth as a steel coaster, but with the fierce intensity of wood.  The three tunnels added to the course (along with their cool lighting and fog effects) were pretty spectacular as well. 

On a side note, I was fairly impressed with SFoT as a whole, but maybe that is mostly because I was comparing it to an exceedingly underwhelming Six Flags St Louis park...?

Anyway, back to the topic, if the Rocky Mt. folks can work similar "Texas Giant" magic from the start of a project to its amazing finish, you have to believe that SDC is in for a real treat, well worth the wait.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 23, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
Another interesting note, from the discussion on coastercommunity: it seems like the park may have chosen RMC because Alan Schilke, the designer of Powderkeg (and numerous other Arrow and, subsequently, S&S coasters), is now working for them. Alan hit an amazing note with PK, and I'm ecstatic to hear that he's probably designing this one as well.

I also find it interesting that they were emphasizing that steel wheels would be utilized on their trains - I assume they are faster?

I was going to mention that also. While we're on that subject can someone give me a condensed version of coaster lingo? I was a little lost watching that video. Obviously I know what a wooden coaster is versus steel, but a couple of post back Shave you mentioned something about hoping it would not be a traditional coaster. Do you mean traditional as in a sit down versus stand up, etc. or something else? Also in the video there was some talk about it being a topper. Not sure what that meant either.

Yes, like SDC#1fan said, RMC is famous for rebuilding various rough older wooden coasters with new steel tracks of various types. Some coasters merely have some bad sections of track fitted with heavier steel rails, while others like the talked about Texas Giant have been completely rebuilt with completely new I-Box track and an improved layout. SDC's coaster will apparently use Topper Track rather than the I-Box track Texas Giant uses, if I heard him correctly in that interview. Topper Track is a heavier rail that sits on the wood than traditional designs. I think this may mean that this coaster won't have quite the crazy angles of Texas Giant, but it will still be able to be smooth and intense with less maintenance for the park to worry about.

Topper Track also means that this coaster won't have inversions either. Honestly, I'm a little more pondersome/worrisome about what to expect now that it's not going to use the I-Box track and be a high thrill coaster. If they wanted a more tame wooden coaster, again I say that I would have hoped they would have gone with GCII who knows how to build a wooden coaster that makes everyone happy really well. RMC did a great job with Texas Giant, but that was a completely different ball game than this. I guess this is what they meant when they said this was a more "traditional" project. We'll just have to see. They've proven themselves once...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 24, 2012, 10:25:43 AM
I reached out to corporate yesterday to get any information I could on the activity in the park and when a pending announcement might be made.

Just heard back this morning. Expect something official this summer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 24, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
We knew that already ;D ;D!  Didn't we ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)

LOL,!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 24, 2012, 11:02:29 AM
Yep. Just wanted to confirm that wasn't just further speculation. With any luck at all, we'll be able to confirm with our own eyes what's going in this space, well before summer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on January 25, 2012, 10:49:20 AM
I would still like to see the Ozark Wildcat moved to SDC or put to use very soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 25, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
Just too cost prohibitive, given it's wood and not steel. Just wouldn't make as much sense as starting from scratch. It is a shame to drive by CC and see it just sitting there rotting away though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 28, 2012, 06:09:34 AM
Hey there backintime, I didnt mean it to sound like i was picking on you.. :o :o :o

My comment was meant to say that as usual the PTB did not give you a "real" answer as usual. ::) ::)

No offense intended.. :)

sanddunerider.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 28, 2012, 07:12:34 AM
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_ozarkgiant.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=ozarkgiant.jpg)

Ozark Giant?

The Giant Swing-green
Old Robbers Shack-blue

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 28, 2012, 07:38:49 AM
Would the train be allowed to go under the above roller coaster? Or would they somehow re route?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on January 28, 2012, 08:42:55 AM
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Would the train be allowed to go under the above roller coaster? Or would they somehow re route?

There is a tunnel back there. Bet thats how they will get you under.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on January 28, 2012, 08:58:37 AM
Sweet Mary's Tunnel? Not a tunnel at all. Just a wooden structure the train passes through so everyone has an opportunity to scream when the conductor tells everyone to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 28, 2012, 09:35:23 AM
Even without a tunnel they would still alow the train to pass under it. They would probably but some kind of netting up to prevent stuff from being dropped on the train but there are other trains at other parks that go under coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 28, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
^^^^^ No worries, SandDuneRider, none taken at all.  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on January 28, 2012, 03:24:07 PM
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_ozarkgiant2.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/?action=view&current=ozarkgiant2.jpg)

This arrangement could be done, and have a queue and themed entrance on the old robber's shack site.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 28, 2012, 05:20:44 PM
I feel pretty positive that the station will be in between the train tracks with the lift hill probably going over the tracks possibly out towards the stable? I don't really know which part of the valley they are going to use yet. I kind of hope they keep most of the ride closer to the maintenance area and away from the train route, otherwise it will be like riding through a coaster canyon instead of out of the city and through the woods.

I can't really picture in my head any possible layouts, since we don't have any original works by RMC to look at, or even any extensive renovations like Texas Giant to compare to since this will use a different track system. RMC certainly used some daring track elements on Texas Giant, but it was meant to be a high thrill coaster and again it uses a more flexible track system. I'm thinking this coaster will be more along the lines of Thunderhead's level of intensity, but probably less compact and with overbanks, hills, and wild transitions instead of focusing on cross-overs and sweeping turns. I'm pretty sure after looking at TG that they respect airtime enough to work a good bit of that in as well, so that's something to look forward to.

In some ways I'm kind of glad they aren't going with GCII, because if they were we could probably make a pretty accurate prediction of the layout even now. GCII is fairly predictable, but at least they do have a high level of consistent quality.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 29, 2012, 11:00:08 AM
I guess it's fair to say we can expect some innovation and novelty if in fact RMC is spearheading the project. Just curious what everyone's predictions/expectations are with respect to the overall size and scope of this particular coaster. Do you think HFEC will lean more to the conservative side and go with something on a compact scale similar to OzCat or American Thunder at SFSTL, or will they be looking to be aggressive with a larger more signature attraction like The Boss, Voyage or the Prowler? Obviously, they have more than enough land to do just about anything they want. Could they be looking to break any records, or become the first coaster anywhere to incorporate a certain element? Any predictions on the height of hills or drops? Would love to see at least one hill top or rival the first drop on Wildfire. Interested to know what everyone's thoughts are on all these fronts. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 29, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
Although I dont know all the coasters by name and reputation as some of our members do, I think whatever they build this time will be Massive.

The city is past due for a major attractions, as we all know.

i dont think that RB was the "draw" they were hoping for..

Soooo......  Here is their chance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 29, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
I forgot to post this, here's the concept pitch they put out last May: 

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    "The Bull" Wooden Coaster: As you board the great wooden coaster, the blazing scarlet ride vehicle, with its glowing red eyes and serious-looking horns rumbles in the load station and looks as powerful as its flesh and blood counterpart. Moments later you are hanging on for dear life as “the Bull” roars out on the wooden track snorting steam as it tops the lift and sends you screaming through the farm-scape, entering and exiting through a pair of bull-shaped holes previously punched out by you-know-who.

We do know that this ride will be part of Wilson's Farm, but the name and details presented here might still be working ideas. However, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they end up being carried out. The image presented with this pitch was simply one of Thunderhead at Dollywood. While the concept might sounds like it's a high-thrill coaster, it's mostly marketing-speak, similar to how they described both Thunderhead and OzCat.

It's not going to be a very big coaster, certainly not a record breaker and probably won't have all that much in the way of unique elements outside of a few potential cool curves and hills. It all comes down to how much they are going to spend, and it sounds like it will only be a few million if that article was accurate about the prices at all. If $12 million dollars is being spent in total on this project and the rebuilding of the Rattler, then they simply can't be spending much on this. The Rattler is apparently being completely rebuilt with I-Box style track similar to the Texas Giant rebuild. I would imagine that would cost at least $8-10 million conservatively. That would mean $4 million or less is being spent on our project. Granted, OzCat was built with $4 million, but lumber was cheaper, the land was flat and clear, labor was cheaper, and it didn't use steel covered track.

That's why I'm so adamant in hoping that the article was slightly mistaken or was worded so that I and others who read it misunderstood. $12 million for both means we'll be getting a small "family-sized" wood coaster, but $12 million for each would get us something AWESOME. For $12 million with a wood coaster, we could get the longest coaster in the park. It could be the first major coaster in the chain with an MCBR. I still don't think it would be a high-thrill coaster based on the crowd SDC is catering to, but it would be along the lines of Powderkeg and ThuNderaTion at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 29, 2012, 08:14:04 PM
As far as HFEC parks go, I think we all agree that SDC is the diamond in the rough. It certainly doesn't get the funding and notoriety other parks do. And maybe HFEC is totally content keeping it that way. However, if they're looking for a bump in sales, they desperately need an addition that "puts them on the map" so to speak. This could be that opportunity. Obviously any coaster addition will be a welcome one and probably enjoyed by many, but a major, possibly epic layout could mean scores of people from all around the country and the world having a specific reason to visit SDC.

Of course I'm biased, but I think it will be a monumental shame and a poor decision if the powers that be elect to go small with this ride. I have no doubts the theme work will be outstanding, but SDC is due for a ride that re-defines its entire existence.

Go big, or dump millions in overhauling some other rides that could use the help.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on January 29, 2012, 10:00:26 PM
As far as HFEC parks go, I think we all agree that SDC is the diamond in the rough. It certainly doesn't get the funding and notoriety other parks do. And maybe HFEC is totally content keeping it that way. However, if they're looking for a bump in sales, they desperately need an addition that "puts them on the map" so to speak. This could be that opportunity. Obviously any coaster addition will be a welcome one and probably enjoyed by many, but a major, possibly epic layout could mean scores of people from all around the country and the world having a specific reason to visit SDC.

Of course I'm biased, but I think it will be a monumental shame and a poor decision if the powers that be elect to go small with this ride. I have no doubts the theme work will be outstanding, but SDC is due for a ride that re-defines its entire existence.

Go big, or dump millions in overhauling some other rides that could use the help.



I just hope the PTB are listening to us on the website and give us something unique and big. If you're going to do something, please do it right.







Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 29, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
I don't necessarily think it would be a terrible decision for the park to go with a smaller coaster, though I am also rooting for something big. Prowler and Thunderhead were ranked as the #11 and #12 wood coasters in the world in Mitch Hawker's poll (the most popular and respected coaster poll for major coaster enthusiasts). Also, a big, record breaking, epic coaster might bring in crowds, but who would make up those crowds? SDC does well for themselves to focus on families. Teens and thrill seekers often do not appreciate the finer aspects of this park, do not spend money in-park, and tend not to mix as well with other visitors. As much as I love the big coasters, crowd targeting is always something to think about with a park like this. They really started screwing with the dynamics of the park when they added Wildfire... but that's an old discussion.

Anyway, I've been thinking and writing about this entirely too much lately, but here are some (hopefully) final thoughts of mine on the size of the project and investment. The newspaper must have worded it wrong, and $12 million is being spent on both projects. That's got to be it. There's no way SF Fiesta Texas is spending less than $10 million if they're doing a full I-Box rebuild of the Rattler, and there's no way SDC is spending less than $6 million at least on this coaster, conservatively. $12 million is a fair amount for a good sized wooden coaster, considering Prowler at WOF cost $8 million and this will use more steel and be built on tougher terrain. So it should be a good sized coaster, maybe a little larger than Prowler and Thunderhead, which again are currently just outside the top ten best wooden coasters in the world out of hundreds, and they both debuted IN the top ten.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: IASTClone on January 30, 2012, 04:16:13 PM
Take it for what it is worth, but I was told about this project by a SDC employee a little over a month ago.  He made it sound as if this WILL NOT be any small coaster, nor will it be tame and for everyone.  Mentioned the possibilty of a record setting drop angle.

Like I said, take it for what it is worth.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on January 31, 2012, 06:49:25 AM
I think SDC could do an extreme coaster and get away with it just fine. The difference in SDC and any Six Flags park is location. All SF parks are close to large metro areas which can lead to the teens taking over, but the location of SDC will keep that from happening. Holiday World and Dollywood are great examples of parks that have gone with some aggressive rides and have maintained a family atmosphere.

If it is a RMC coaster (which evidence strongly points that way) I would expect you will see some innovation beyond just the track system. RMC will be wanting to set themselves apart from the other coaster designers and I think will use the SDC coaster to do that.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on January 31, 2012, 08:22:41 AM
I think SDC could do an extreme coaster and get away with it just fine. The difference in SDC and any Six Flags park is location. All SF parks are close to large metro areas which can lead to the teens taking over, but the location of SDC will keep that from happening. Holiday World and Dollywood are great examples of parks that have gone with some aggressive rides and have maintained a family atmosphere.

If it is a RMC coaster (which evidence strongly points that way) I would expect you will see some innovation beyond just the track system. RMC will be wanting to set themselves apart from the other coaster designers and I think will use the SDC coaster to do that.

Jay.



It may not be close to a major metro area but it can benefit from growth that's stilltaking place just to it's southwest. We considered it a nice day trip here in Fayetteville.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 31, 2012, 06:43:31 PM
I live in springfield and can be on park in 45 min and there are lots of teens that live here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 31, 2012, 11:33:23 PM
Take it for what it is worth, but I was told about this project by a SDC employee a little over a month ago.  He made it sound as if this WILL NOT be any small coaster, nor will it be tame and for everyone.  Mentioned the possibilty of a record setting drop angle.

Like I said, take it for what it is worth.

This is good to hear, SDC employees are pretty good for details like this when they line up with everything else we know. It would not be out of the question for them to have the steepest drop of a wooden coaster considering that this ride will debut new trains and run on steel. That would be insane though, seeing as the current record holder is T-Express with a 77-degree drop angle. On a wood coaster that looks just about vertical (photos here: http://www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=405&linkid=3620).

If it does have that kind of a drop angle, it would need a considerable height of drop to pull it off, like 150 - 200ft. Not impossible considering the terrain they're working with. That would be a big coaster - Texas Giant size.

Trying not to get my hopes too high yet though...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: How-doFolks on February 01, 2012, 06:42:41 AM
heck, i'll take anything they'll give us. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 01, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
LOL..I am hoping it is massive for all you riders, because as I have stated before I dont do the big coasted. :o :o

But I know your all past due!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 02, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Zephon, any updates or more recent on park pic you might be able to share?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 02, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
I just got the saddest news of my life. I am probably going to have to get a pacemaker so i probably wont ever get to ride the new coaster what ever it turns out to be :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on February 03, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
Let's hope that's not so!  A friend of mine got one awhile back & is able to ride, now.  I rode PK 3 years ago & had a heart attack the following morning, flat lined & ended up with a 2 & half inch stint.  Once the medications evened out, the Dr gave me the ok, 10 months later, to ride.  I told him it'd kill me, if I couldn't!   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 03, 2012, 07:42:25 AM
Im sorry to hear that SDCFan#1. We will pray that everything works out for you and you dont loose not on little bit of your quality of life!! God is good and will take care of you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 03, 2012, 07:46:45 AM
sorry to hear that #1, But dont give up on the rides yet!  These people and new products work miracles every day.
Hang in there!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 03, 2012, 07:47:53 AM
Thanks guys I appreciate the thoughts and prayers this isn't something i figured i would have to deal with at 26
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 03, 2012, 10:43:52 AM
#1, hope it all works out for the better. And if it brings you any relief at all, I've had open heart surgery twice and underwent aortic valve replacement at 13. I'm still under 40 and haven't been limited in riding coasters. It's always been a case of knowing my own physical limitations and being respectful of them.

All the best. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on February 08, 2012, 08:43:32 AM
If the new coaster is behind Wilson's Farm (which looks like it's 100%) how many entrance points do you think there will be?  Will it be like Wildfire one way in and one way out?  I presume one entry would be thru Wilson's Farm, possibly another thru the old Splash Harbor.  One thing is for sure and that is no matter where the new entrance or exit's are, someone will have to figure out if we are going above or below the train tracks. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on February 08, 2012, 09:41:54 AM
If they put the loading station behind the giant swing, you never would cross the railroad tracks on foot. The track for the coaster will probably be well above the RR tracks, crossing into the hollow near the maintenance buildings, and back around to cross the RR track again back to the lift station. My guess is the reason they cleared the trees and knocked down the old robbers shack is to prepare the place for the lift station. I gotta tell ya, When I first saw how they put in the Wilsons Farm area wedged between lost river and FITH, I was surprised. I remember the old days when that area was woods and I never thought it would be utilized for anything other than green space. I never could have imagined back then the park would grow like it has, and that things would be built around the RR tracks like it has developed. Much of the illusion of "going back in time to the 1880s" has disappeared, as the park has grown and outside development around Table Rock and Indian Point has occurred. You can stand in the Wilderness Church and see houses and condos on the lake. This is such a sad thing to me. Grand Exposition is right at the junction of Hwy 76 and Indian Point Rd. The park did "tilt" as Jack Herschend predicted years ago, when the roller coasters started getting built. I like the way Grand Exposition is themed, it is done tastefully, but the rides are nothing more than elaborate CARNIVAL rides, and, well, the basketball booth, shooting galleries, airbrush booth, and so on...typical AMUSEMENT PARK junk that is nothing more than a revenue generator for the company. I understand the need to generate revenue, but...well, you have heard me say it before, "not in Miss Mary's time!" And yes, I understand, it's NOT Miss Mary's time anymore.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on February 08, 2012, 04:58:08 PM
I think a big problem is the fact that SDC is set on the top of a mountain, so finding land that can be used for building is kinda hard to come by. I mean, SDC currently occupies 61 acres on very hilly ground. In comparison, the public areas of Disneyland cover 85 acres of flat land in the middle of Anaheim, with little room to grow after having converted a large part of their parking to build California Adventure; Magic Kingdom is 107 acres of flat land; Hollywood Studios is 135 acres; Epcot is practically two parks in one with 300 acres; and Animal Kingdom, with all its land for the animals, clocks in at over 500 acres.

So it was probably inevitable that the land where Wilson's Farm is was going to be used for further expansion.

I know there are areas where construction can't occur because of the cave, right? Where are these areas? Do we know how much land exactly is available for expanding the park?

This is why I wish they'd realized that to make Celebration City work, they needed to keep it open later. 10pm for a "nighttime" park was just not feasible. If CC had lasted, a lot of their expansion ride-wise could have been done there, leaving more open for SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zydeco on February 08, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
Well, I guess I'm the new kid on the block :) I've been going to SDC every year literally my entire life!  Try to make it at least twice a year when possible.  Anyway, I love following all the news and discussions on this great site!  As far as the subject of SDC property goes, I may be able to shed a little light on the subject.  I work in real estate in Louisiana and sometimes my job takes me out of state and I have to say the Stone County Assessor's office has one of the best GIS systems in use.  It's completely free and open to the public.  Just go to http://www.stonecomogis.com/stone/  This should pull up a map of Stone county.  From there you can zoom, pan and identify tracts of land within the county with property lines very well defined.

Taney County also has a very intuitive GIS mapping service open to the public.  Go to http://beacon.schneidercorp.com/?site=TaneyCountyMO   Follow the prompts and you're on you way!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on February 08, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Silver Dollar Metroplex anyone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on February 09, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Thanks, Zydeco!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 09, 2012, 10:43:38 AM
Yes, thanks!  and Welcome to the site..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on February 09, 2012, 05:03:41 PM
While looking at the map over SDC, I found it interesting that even though Powderkeg is clearly visible in the picture, they still have the blue outline on the map of the route Buzzsaw Falls took.  That is neat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 10, 2012, 07:10:03 PM
33 days!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 12, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
Been thinking about this too much again lately, but it's hard not to think about all the possibilities with this coaster considering the awesome terrain and the daring designers and manufacturer that are a part of this. Just looking at the terrain, this has the potential to be an insanely awesome coaster. Take a look at this angle from google earth that shows a rough estimate of the slope of the hillside: http://i.imgur.com/SjEKa.jpg

Then here's my rough estimate of where things could go: http://i.imgur.com/mOJKj.jpg

It seems clear that the station is going on top of the old robbers shack due to the train track issues, but the rest is up for debate depending on whether or not this will in fact be a more thrill-oriented coaster with the rumored record-setting drop and what they are actually going to spend on it. The "best" scenario, IMO, is that they are spending a full $12 million on a monster woodie with a crazy 200ft 80 degree drop into the valley pictured. Coming out of the drop, the train would do a double up into an overbank off the hillside sort of like Texas Giant does, but more conformative to the terrain in this case.

Even if it's not going to be high-thrill or huge, there's still a lot they can do with a little creativity in this space. Anyone else have any layout ideas?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on February 12, 2012, 04:50:48 AM
With that canvas, many things are possible, but I think your depiction seems as likely as any considering the topography.   Nice work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on February 15, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Oh, it is VERY nice to see SDC getting a new winner (hopefully)!! Especially a woodie, definitely a nice fit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on February 18, 2012, 07:56:50 PM
Are there any new pictures of what is going on at our beloved SDC? Any new news on the upcoming coaster? I'm having construction rumor withdrawals.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 18, 2012, 10:54:02 PM
I'm having withdrawals too. The most exciting thing that's happened around here in a while is FC's new water fortress. It's been a while since we had something truly worth getting excited over at SDC, so you can see why I write a novel analyzing every little development. ;)

It won't be long till we can get regular updates from everyone that visits. I'm almost more excited about getting to watch it be built over the next season more than I am about actually riding the thing in 2013.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 19, 2012, 06:47:10 PM
maybe zephon can gety us some current pics?? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 21, 2012, 10:26:09 AM
Yes, a few updated pics, please. Surely some additional work has been done by now. With the proximity of the tracks to this new project, it should be interesting to see how much construction progress can be followed by simply hopping aboard the train. This doesn't seem like the type of ride a fence is going to be able to conceal.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 21, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
^Not necessarily. They probably have cleared more, but they won't draw out construction for the fun of it. It costs to keep a crew working, so I'm sure they'll keep their schedule as tight as possible, maybe starting work in late summer and wrapping up most of the major work in late fall like they did with Wild Eagle.

It's probably not easy for Zephon to obtain or post photos, so please don't expect him to do so. We'll hopefully have new photos in a few weeks. Just imagine a pile of dirt slightly larger than what we saw last time until then.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 21, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
I dont know it the train will be running on sunday the 25th,

BUT if it is, I will be on it with a camera to try to get pics of progress//
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 21, 2012, 08:17:04 PM
^^Totally agree. And no expectations whatsoever. Grateful for whatever Zephon, or any other member can share. As several have already said, we'll have plenty of eyes on things before too long.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 22, 2012, 07:47:15 AM
To be honest, I have not seen but like two shows on the strip. Growing up we spent all day at SDC and the hotel ALWAYS had a pool. When I was old enough to be left to my own devices my parentals would go see a show and leave my brother and I to swim. Fun memories!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on February 22, 2012, 12:37:37 PM
To be honest, I have not seen but like two shows on the strip. Growing up we spent all day at SDC and the hotel ALWAYS had a pool. When I was old enough to be left to my own devices my parentals would go see a show and leave my brother and I to swim. Fun memories!

Ha! I'm 18 and my sister is 16 and my mom still doesn't trust us at the pool by ourselves lol
She says she knows we can swim, but we'll find someway to get get into trouble, and she's probably right lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 22, 2012, 12:41:02 PM
Hahahahaha!! That is funny! I had a tattle tale brother and would rat on me for even the littlest things. If a young man said Hi to me they would know. He still tattles on me to this day and I am married have a kid and my own place. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 26, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Anyone else dying to see what more has been done, "Down on the farm"?  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 26, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
I'm very interested to see if they went ahead and got everything cleared out before the season begins. If they did, then we can really start talking about layouts.

 I could see them doing all the heavy clearing now, then waiting till late summer to start vertical construction. It depends on which contractors are doing what I guess. They could even start on the station first and get a lot of that done before even starting on the coaster if there's a different contractor for the station structure.

I'm sure there will be a large construction fence on both sides of the tracks this year. Usually they just put up chain link and then throw burlap over it.

What are people's guesses for the name/theme? Think they'll stick with The Bull concept, or was that just a concept pitch. I'd like to think it was just a pitch - they've never used the names from the concept pitches for actual attractions before. I do think it will be a continuation of the Farm theme though... I just can't think of a name/theme that goes with that without being tacky.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on February 26, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
Teasers:
Forms for concrete piers that will be distributed who knows where.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/iphonepictures093.jpg)

Forming up footers where the old train robbers shack was.  The hill has been shaved down a bit more even since this picture was taken a week ago.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/Zephon907/SDC%20Stuff/iphonepictures097.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 26, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Very interesting, they are much farther ahead than I had thought. As a up-and-coming Civil Engineer I'm highly interested in how they're forming those concrete piers. Unfortunately I don't really start getting into design until next year so I don't really know much about what they're doing yet.

You can see a little bit of the path clearing in the woods in the second photo. Looks like they're going off towards Hobo Junction... hope they don't go too close.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on February 26, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
Shave, those pier forms are made of steel and in two halves bolted together.  They start with rebar formed in that general shape that goes inside them, and then they fill them with concrete. When the concrete sets, they unbolt and separate the forms and are left with a pier that has a base about 4' in diameter and a column of about 18" dia. by 4' tall. They've already made a lot of those piers but I don't know where they're taking them, or if they're setting them in positions yet.  If they are, it's not visible from my stomping grounds.

In the second picture, they're not really getting close to Hobo Jct, at least not yet.  What you see through the trees in the middle background is the mule barn.  The work you see here is really the only active construction that can be seen in the areas that I walk by.  If they're doing more down in the trees and valleys, it's out of sight. 

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 27, 2012, 12:07:26 AM
Thanks for the pics Zephon! The foundation in the second picture must be the Station am i right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on February 27, 2012, 07:19:10 AM
Thanks Zephon for the updated info and the pics.  We really do appreciate it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 27, 2012, 07:29:48 AM
That second picture, the form or station or what have you is REALLY close the the RR tracks. Or is that a trick of the angle of the picture?? Thanks for the pictures!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 27, 2012, 07:58:24 AM
The 2nd picture sure looks like foundation for something?
I wouldn't think they would have people walk clear back there for the station? would they?
If so they will have to build a people "bridge" to get over the tracks.

BUT no doubt that foundation is an important part to the project, m aybe it is where the "drive" system of the coaster will be.?

Speculation.....aint it great!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 27, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Thank you, Zephon. Really appreciate the update. Just enough of a tease to get us up to opening day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 27, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
The 2nd picture sure looks like foundation for something?
I wouldn't think they would have people walk clear back there for the station? would they?
If so they will have to build a people "bridge" to get over the tracks.

BUT no doubt that foundation is an important part to the project, m aybe it is where the "drive" system of the coaster will be.?

Speculation.....aint it great!

It's not that far back there, and a fairly long queue has to lead up to it, so it's got to be a little ways back there. It's definitely the station though, the station track will probably run through that gap. You won't need to go over a bridge to get there because it is between the tracks where the robber's shack was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on February 27, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Zephon...you're the man...thanks for the updated pictures...looks like work is progressing nicely...very exciting...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 27, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
Took a stab at updating the overhead shot of the area, based on the orientation of the station (parallel to the tracks) and where we already know other activity has or is taking place. Any thoughts?

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/2013.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 27, 2012, 01:59:02 PM
^One thought that occurred to me after looking at that was that they might orient the lift hill towards the maintenance area rather than towards the Mule Barn like I had thought before. There's more room for the break-run/transfer shed between the tracks. Plus, they can easily drop into the deepest part of the valley from that angle without disturbing the Mule Barn area. I could see the track going down through the valley and then coming back up and around the other side of the hill that the mule barn is on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 27, 2012, 02:42:36 PM

It's not that far back there, and a fairly long queue has to lead up to it, so it's got to be a little ways back there. It's definitely the station though, the station track will probably run through that gap. You won't need to go over a bridge to get there because it is between the tracks where the robber's shack was.
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I must be disorientated or something, IF the robber shack is the new station, It is mounted between the 2 sets of tracks. So i dont see how you will access the station without a bridge..

When you are going past FITH the track goes left, and the robbers shack is on the left over the hill, then after you make the circle, the shack was on your right as you head back past the train repair building and Lake silver..??

Sorry doesnt make sense today for some reason.. lol.  i even looked at the google map, still didnt make sense..

Maybe i can get back there in 3 weeks and it will make sense then.,..???  LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 27, 2012, 03:18:31 PM
I made a really quick and terrible paint job to demonstrate where the station is in relation to the train tracks and the general area where the coaster's track could go. http://i.imgur.com/CbIJc.jpg

As you can see, you can get to the robbers shack area by going through the gate behind the Hi-lo Silos. The whole TGS/Robbers shack area is inbetween the train tracks already. The robber's shack should have been on your right both times you passed it on the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 27, 2012, 04:42:29 PM
I just want to say that is one great drawing Shave! Although it is some awesome graphics it does explain the track layout well :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 27, 2012, 05:43:49 PM
ok shave, thanks.....  I got it now... ;D

after seeing your drawing i went back and zoomed in on google maps,
I see now by going past the swings and silo you can easily reach the new area.


sometimes I am just a "visual" learner.. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on February 27, 2012, 06:18:47 PM
Thanks for the awesome updates.  This is going to be so cool!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on February 27, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
I still wonder if the new section of the park will 'dead end' like on Wildfire & Powder Keg, or if it will be connected to the backside of Lake Silver / Geyser Gulch.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 27, 2012, 07:02:27 PM
Well considering the location of the station (thanks shave :D),

i would imagine it will dead end..

 you have tracks on either side of you, sooooo really no place to go. ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 27, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
^^They'd have to do a terrific amount of work to build a path around the edge of the lake. It doesn't look like they ever plan to do that with the way things are situated. It's just going to be an add-on to the Wilson's Barnyard area from the look of it, it's not a new section. The entrance will probably be near the Hi-Lo silos.

I wonder if we could get the PTB to put up a webcam of the station area... I get addicted to construction webcams during the off-season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 27, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
Well someone should ask them Shave that is a great idea!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 28, 2012, 08:41:55 AM
MAN!!  that would be great!  Monitor the progress that way....

BUT I bet the construction workers would not like it..!!!! 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: danjankids on February 28, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
Hello all, I haven't posted on here in some time.  I usually just monitor all of the exciting posts that everybody else has.  But I was thinking about the pictures of the construction progress and I have a thought that might just blow this forum wide open.  What if the picture of the "coaster station" is not for the coaster, but for the train instead.  And that the coaster will be an anchor for a larger development all together.  Now discuss that!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Kentucky Optimist on February 28, 2012, 05:11:58 PM
I never comment on these sorts of things, mostly because I'm not very good at coaster design or speculation...thus making it best for me to show up after completion, ride and say "isn't that nifty, I bet someone put a lot of thought into that."  I was thinking about where the track would run and it seems to head back behind Lost River and Lake Silver.  Did the removal of the River Boat spray area (Splash Harbor?) have something to do with this project or was it removed for another reason?  Just wondering if the two events are connected.  I was also thinking that if the entrance is in fact in the Wilson's Farm area that the area already seems cluttered or crowded.  Overall I think the final product that the PTB put together will be a great one, but I just hope that they work really hard to replant as many trees as possible.  I was a little disappointed with the final outcome of river blast and the train station...you can look past the train platform and see right down into the river blast area.  They feel like they are right on top of each other.  I think they could successfully cram a woodie, giant swing, wilson's farm, part of the Lost River and the train track into a close area, but it's going to take the right amount of theme props and trees to make it not feel crowded.  Ok, that's all, random observations complete.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on February 28, 2012, 07:38:24 PM
I really don't know any more about it than any of you guys.  I haven't seen an official (or even unofficial) layout of the ride.  But...shave, do you really think it will extend out beyond the mule barn and greenhouses as your drawing indicates?  That is really a very large area, much much larger than any of our other rides (except the train, or the trams [that was for you MTGT]) now encompass.  I'm pretty sure though that the second picture is indeed the location of the lift or loading station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 28, 2012, 09:17:44 PM
^Well, it was a guess. I don't know the scale of the land myself having never been able to see back there before. I just really think they'll use that valley to do some interesting things. Hopefully a record-setting drop is included in that.

We've never seen RMC design their own layout before, so there's no telling if it will be a compact layout, out-and-back, or what. It could be really long and spread out like the Beast.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
I personally hope it winds up being more of an out and back style than the compact variety. You can still incorporate some very exciting and interesting elements into a longer, faster ride. And this project just seems to beg for a longer circuit that utilizes the terrain. I don't know the first thing about engineering or construction, but I would guess a longer out and back would be much less invasive and disruptive to surrounding trees as well. Those types of coasters seem like they can be cut through terrain similar to the way power lines are run through tree-lined hillsides and mountains, versus having to wipe out a wide footprint to accommodate a smaller, compact ride.

On a side note, as much as I'm looking forward to welcoming this long overdue woodie to SDC, I'm equally excited about the impact it will likely have on the overall flow in the park. I would think it's a virtual certainty that PK's lines will be lighter in 2013 with the presence of a new coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on February 29, 2012, 11:50:36 AM
I personally hope it winds up being more of an out and back style than the compact variety. You can still incorporate some very exciting and interesting elements into a longer, faster ride. And this project just seems to beg for a longer circuit that utilizes the terrain.

Agreed. There is something about zooming off into the woods, and then back that is much more exciting that spinning around in a small circle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 29, 2012, 12:03:58 PM
I personally hope it winds up being more of an out and back style than the compact variety. ...
...
On a side note, as much as I'm looking forward to welcoming this long overdue woodie to SDC, I'm equally excited about the impact it will likely have on the overall flow in the park. I would think it's a virtual certainty that PK's lines will be lighter in 2013 with the presence of a new coaster.

I agree about the layout. Boulderdash and the Voyage keep coming to mind. You can see some pics of Boulderdash here: http://rcdb.com/602.htm?p=10289 and Voyage here: http://rcdb.com/3231.htm?p=27872

As for the lines, don't count on PK ever having short lines. Parks always get big attendance boosts during new coaster years, and since PK appeals to pretty much everybody, everybody will want to ride it like always. At least on slower days people will be spread out more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 29, 2012, 02:07:38 PM
You're probably right. I was probably thinking more about the later, less attended period of the season when I typically visit. I'm usually able to ride WF with no wait at all, and usually no more than about 10 or 15 minutes for PK.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on February 29, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
Hmm, not sure what type of layout I want, I'm just hoping for three things: 1) smooth 2) fast, or at least somewhat forceful, and 3) tunnel.

I'm a huge fan of tunnels :D And SDC has a sad lack of them, except for Thunderation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on February 29, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
So what you’re saying is that if you could take Wildfire, PowderKeg, and Thunderation and mixed them together in a blender that would be the perfect ride? :P

This ride is supposed to introduce many new elements that are not typically seen on a woody. It will be interesting to see exactly what they come up with. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 01, 2012, 12:07:05 AM
^Ah yes, that's still a point up for debate: will they throw inversions into this "wood" coaster? They have the technology to do so and I know RMC will be itching to show it off, but having inversions on rides actually decreases the population of people who would want to ride it because a lot of people simply don't like going upside down. However, the marketing aspects would be huge.

I think SDC will stay away from the inversions with this coaster since they already have a big looper. It would be more diverse to have a nice big non-looping thrill coaster and it would probably be more timeless.

As for some of the other possibilities mentioned earlier, I think we can rule out the idea that they might add a train station in this area. The forms in place now are not close enough to the track to be a station, and even in the long run I just don't see it working out logistically to have a station near here. This will probably be as far back as they develop the park in this direction for a looooong time at the very least. I would expect them to fill up the rest of the old employee lot and the maintenance area before expanding any farther in this corner of the park, if they even need to use those areas. SDC isn't going to get all that much bigger in terms of land area used.

I also don't see it running back along the other side of the lake. It just wouldn't make sense considering the land area that they have. Splash Harbor was removed because they apparently did not want to fix it up/possible ADA issues/replacement with the new splash battle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 01, 2012, 11:57:17 AM
Food for thought...and continued wishing/speculation.

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Screenshot2012-03-01at115218AM.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 01, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Wow, that is one huge, and long ride you have come up with! Especially when you compare it to Powderkeg below. :P

It is fun to put together the bits, and pieces of information we have, and see how close to the real coaster we can get.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 01, 2012, 12:17:33 PM
If you think about it though, it doesn't take too long at all to get that far back on the train going about five mph. Imagine an out and back coaster moving 60+. Wouldn't take long at all. PK, like many other coasters just utilizes a much more compact footprint with a decent amount of track length sandwiched within it. That's much easier to do with steel coaster than a woodie. If they give us a coaster that lasts about three minutes, it would be oh so sweet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 01, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
It's hard to get an accurate scale drawing in paint.

I like the layout though - that's exactly the type of ride I hope to see here with the tunnels, out and back section, and helix. It would be interesting if the biggest drop came halfway through the ride like Zingo did.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 01, 2012, 01:33:57 PM
Shave, that's definitely what I had in mind with the drawing. Maybe something comparable to WF for the first drop, then a record-breaking drop about halfway through. Love the idea of the ride not "showing it's hand." If it's spread out and concealed enough by the woods, I could envision up to 75% of the ride not being visible from any vantage point other than the top of the existing hills on PK or WF.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 01, 2012, 07:55:01 PM
You guys are so cute with all your speculations and fan boy art done in MSPaint.

A lot of you are over thinking this. Just because they (RMC) can doesn't mean they will
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 01, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
Quote
You guys are so cute with all your speculations and fan boy art done in MSPaint.

A lot of you are over thinking this. Just because they (RMC) can doesn't mean they will

#1 I know I am " cute "
#2 Dreaming and speculation are half the fun..........

You should join us.   lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 01, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
^^Lol, you're one to talk about speculation, once upon a time you'd be right here with us.  ;)

It's all fun though, I enjoy making early guesses and seeing how close I can predict what happens with these rides, especially the coasters. No one's saying they will, the point is what they could do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 01, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
Exactly. And for the record, I used Photoshop. Crude I know, but I don't use it often enough to be proficient with it. What's up with rainin' on the parade, Swoosh? Like Shave pointed out, these are all mere "what ifs" not necessary realistic guesses for what's actually going to wind up in the space. Nobody has a clue. But hey, we gotta pass the time someway until those plans are unveiled, right?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 01, 2012, 11:24:44 PM
The day we all stop speculating is the day Silver Dollar City ought to close their doors cause we must have all gone crazy! ;D

Keep it up BackinTime9! The more tidbits of information we get the closer your designs to the real coaster will be. Just watch out because my Flickr page all started because I wanted to "pass the time" one afternoon. :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: orient express on March 02, 2012, 12:57:37 PM
speculating is all in good fun. enough with the elitism
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 02, 2012, 01:22:55 PM
Someone will touch on the truth even if we don't know it till the end.
Investigating a new project and keeping up with it is a lot of fun.
It would be tempting to know what they are planning but if I did it would be like knowing whats in the gift box under Christmas tree early in December.
It just takes the magic out of it.
I would rather sit around here with you guys shaking weighting and measuring the gift boxes speculating on whats inside.
THATS what makes it fun!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 02, 2012, 02:32:07 PM
Annnnnnyway, back on the topic of speculation, anyone know what the difference is between steel wheels and normal wheels? I was thinking there might be some implications of high speeds there. I'm also thinking about the new trains. The fact that they are debuting new trains with expanded capabilities may also imply that this coaster will have some crazy elements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 02, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
Nobody has a clue.

Nobody?

Also are we allowed to say "I told you so" yet to the ones that were all gloom and doom saying there would be no construction this off season. Myself and I think Zephon tried to tell you there would be.

I'll leave you with this, if you know where to look you can more info on the project, mind you, you'd have to know what you were looking at to get anything out of it.  I don't want to ruin the speculation game for most of you so I'll leave it that for now, but it is on tthe web.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: djs263875 on March 02, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
Could our new coaster be seen in this video from RMC's 2010 IAAPA demo video? Toward the end of the video is a simulation that looks like it could be a good fit for the area we are looking at.

http://www.rockymtnconstruction.com/rmcdemo.html (http://www.rockymtnconstruction.com/rmcdemo.html)

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 02, 2012, 10:05:54 PM
Will we see something like El Toro that Rocky Mountain Coasters built at Six Flags Adventure in Jackson, New Jersey. It might fit the theming of Wilson's Barn fairly easily.
http://rcdb.com/3183.htm?p=38089
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 02, 2012, 10:24:14 PM
Nobody has a clue.

Nobody?

Also are we allowed to say "I told you so" yet to the ones that were all gloom and doom saying there would be no construction this off season. Myself and I think Zephon tried to tell you there would be.

I'll leave you with this, if you know where to look you can more info on the project, mind you, you'd have to know what you were looking at to get anything out of it.  I don't want to ruin the speculation game for most of you so I'll leave it that for now, but it is on tthe web.

For the love of god, please don't turn into "that guy" again.  ::)

Getting back to the thread at hand, that's a good find djs263875. That model was designed on flat ground, so we know it's not the ride being built at SDC, but it is a very good indication of their style. Big drops, airtime hills and awesome turns by the looks of it.

El Toro was designed by Intamin and uses a different type of track and train system, but I feel like they took inspiration from it with their designs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 02, 2012, 11:16:00 PM
It could be wishful thinking, or reading between the lines, but I think there could be something legit to the El Toro idea. Yes, it was designed by Intamin, but if you go to Rocky Mountain Coasters' website, it is also listed in their portfolio of coaster work, which by the way doesn't seem to feature anything but large coasters (of the woodie variety anyway). Also did a little digging and learned it cost around $12 million to construct in 2006 (same speculated budget for the new SDC coaster). And am I the only one intrigued by the fact that the woodie included during the last ride concept survey was called the "The Bull?" Hello, El Toro means "The Bull" in Spanish. And it was ranked the #3 wooden coaster in the world for the 2011 Golden Ticket Awards. Of course I'm not suggesting they're going to replicate the same coaster, but perhaps that very ride was/is the inspiration for what we'll see at SDC a little more than a year from now. If it's anything in the neighborhood of El Toro, SDC is in line for something very special.

El Toro – Six Flags Great Adventure
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/ElToro1.jpg)

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 02, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
And am I the only one intrigued by the fact that the woodie included during the last ride concept survey was called the "The Bull?" Hello, El Toro means "The Bull" in Spanish.

Very interesting catch! :)

At first, I was a bit upset that they were putting a rollercoaster in so close to the train tracks. I felt it would ruin the scenic, and peaceful train ride. However, considering that it will be a wooden coaster, I think it will match the area quite well. Who knows, maybe there well be some type of interaction the coaster will have with the train (example, the train tracks going underneath the coaster).
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 02, 2012, 11:39:06 PM
Agreed. And honestly, I think they will keep the majority of the coaster well away from the tracks so as not to compromise that experience. Especially in light of how much people enjoy the robbery and Grandpa's story at Christmas. As you can see in the overhead, there is quite a bit of land between the outermost loop of the tracks and the service road that runs next to the mule barn. I would think that would offer more than enough space to place and out and back coaster that could run in almost total seclusion, with the exception of the loading station area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 03, 2012, 12:03:46 AM
I think you guys are getting hung up on the names too much. The manufacturer doesn't choose the name of the ride, and the themes are chosen for entirely different reasons. "The Bull" may or may not even be close to the theme/name of this coaster.

There is something to be said for having a large non-inverting ride. A lot of the big new coasters these days are hypers/giga coasters rather than looping coasters. Like I said before, it would give them diversity and greater thrill appeal to have a non-inverting coaster in the 200ft range.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 03, 2012, 07:37:45 AM
Totally understand that, Shave. Just thought the multiple parallels were an interesting coincidence and there might be something there in terms of the inspiration behind our new coaster, based on work RMC has already been involved with in some capacity.

I know the concept descriptions don't give justice to detailing what the ultimate ride name and experience will actually be, but I wonder how the concept description for PK and WF read. It would be interesting to look back at that wording and see how well they describe the actual experiences we enjoy on both of those coasters today. 

Regardless, I would love to ultimately see a coaster that flirts with, or breaks that 200 ft. mark. On a somewhat separate note, in looking at the Top 25 ranking for wooden coasters last night, I thought it was very interesting to see that The Voyage (ranked #1 in the world) was built at a cost of just $6 million. Sure, that was six years ago, but I wouldn't have dreamed you could construct any type of coaster on that scale for under $10 million.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 03, 2012, 09:47:14 PM
It is not going to be a record breaker. It is not going to be El Toro.

And whatever Shave.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 03, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
I don't believe anyone on here ever said or speculated it would be either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 06, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Anyone have any other nuggets they can provide, or do we all have to sweat it out for another nine days before we get/see a new update? Sure, we have a long way to go, but I love seeing new attractions come together, even if only at a snails pace.

Even if this winds up not being a woodie on a grand scale, I'm still confident it can and will be something special. Consider a coaster like American Thunder at SFSTL. It's true David in terms of size, but certainly doesn't disappoint when it comes to the ride. It's still a Top 25 coaster. Between HFEC's reputation for "doing in right" and RMC wanting to flex their proverbial muscle, it should be a win-win.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
We'll probably have to wait it out for another week. There's probably stuff going on at the site, but it's not like a vast amount will change in a week.

I absolutely won't be disappointed in a smaller coaster either. That was my original assumption with this project anyway when I thought GCII would be doing it. It excites me that there's a possibility of a huge steep drop, but even if it is a family coaster it will be a fantastic addition to this park. Again, most of the best wooden coasters in the world are smaller in size. I'm also excited to see how the SDC team will "do it right" again as well. After the last few unique and innovative theming projects, I'm almost as excited to see how they'll theme this thing as I am about the ride itself. Really all of the major new ride projects of the last decade besides GE have been very creative and have turned out really well. GE I could give or take for obvious reasons, but they did what they had to do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 06, 2012, 10:17:59 PM
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HFEC's reputation for "doing in right" and RMC wanting to flex their proverbial muscle, it should be a win-win.
I have faith in SDC to put out a great ride. Wildcat was a fun coaster, it isn't huge, but it packed a wallop.
If it turns out to be a little lackluster SDC will do something about it, reminiscent of Buzz Saw falls.......not so great rides can be fixed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 06, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Smaller coasters that pack a punch are still really great rides. Besides, it would increase ride capacity per hour which means less wait times. I also agree that Silver Dollar City stands behind their projects, and will do whatever it takes to make them right. That's what makes Silver Dollar City not just "another Six Flags."
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 07, 2012, 09:16:20 AM
I agree. It's probably a topic for another thread, or its already been hashed and re-hashed here a thousand times, but in looking over the Golden Ticket Awards from 2011 last night, I was surprised to see how many times Dollywood was mentioned. They'll actually be hosting this year's awards.

Given the thematic parallels and the fact that they are also an HFEC park, I'm just curious beyond a few more rides, what really separates DW from SDC. Obviously, I have not visited DW so it's not fair for me to pass judgement. Any of you visited both and have any thoughts?

DW in the 2011 Golden Ticket Awards:
Best Park – #4
Friendliest Park – #2
Cleanest Park – #3
Best Shows – #1
Best Food – #3
Best Landscaping – #4
Best Christmas Event – #1
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on March 07, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
I have been to DW, but the first time I was there, it rained all day, and the second time I was there, it was almost 100 degrees outside, so it was really hard to enjoy it. The only place at DW that really reminded me of SDC was Craftsman's Valley, and there was another section of the park called Jukebox Junction that reminded me of Celebration City. There were places at DW we didn't go to because of the weather. But whatever restaurant we went to the second time we visited DW, I felt like I was at SDC. I can't remember which restaurant it was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 07, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
^It is a different discussion and a topic for a different thread, but I will say that DW has more attendance, a better location, a celebrity and celebrity name attached, more generic and diverse themes, and more big rides. There are also a lot more industry names and enthusiasts that visit DW over SDC because of the location. Branson is kinda out in the middle of nowhere in terms of coming here from across the country.

However, with this new coaster a lot more of those types will be visiting SDC again, so things could change. I believe the last time SDC won a Golden Ticket was not long after Wildfire was installed when a few people finally ventured out here.

Also, the Golden Tickets are heavily biased and certain parks and rides are perennial favorites. Many of the voters have very limited experiences of parks like SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 07, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
^It is a different discussion and a topic for a different thread, but I will say that DW has more attendance, a better location, a celebrity and celebrity name attached, more generic and diverse themes, and more big rides. There are also a lot more industry names and enthusiasts that visit DW over SDC because of the location. Branson is kinda out in the middle of nowhere in terms of coming here from across the country.

And I am completely okay with that! Yes, it may sound selfish, but I love that Silver Dollar City is a our little secret hideout in the woods. Although word is spreading more, and more each year. As you mentioned, this new rollercoaster will no doubt rejuvenate interest back to Silver Dollar City. Almost everyone loves new coasters! :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 07, 2012, 03:43:04 PM
Didn't mean to get us off topic. I was just curious. So, anyone hear we're getting a new coaster next year?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 07, 2012, 07:55:51 PM
Totally understand that, Shave. Just thought the multiple parallels were an interesting coincidence and there might be something there in terms of the inspiration behind our new coaster, based on work RMC has already been involved with in some capacity.

I know the concept descriptions don't give justice to detailing what the ultimate ride name and experience will actually be, but I wonder how the concept description for PK and WF read. It would be interesting to look back at that wording and see how well they describe the actual experiences we enjoy on both of those coasters today. 

Regardless, I would love to ultimately see a coaster that flirts with, or breaks that 200 ft. mark. On a somewhat separate note, in looking at the Top 25 ranking for wooden coasters last night, I thought it was very interesting to see that The Voyage (ranked #1 in the world) was built at a cost of just $6 million. Sure, that was six years ago, but I wouldn't have dreamed you could construct any type of coaster on that scale for under $10 million.


Here's the press release for Powder Keg:


Contact: Silver Dollar City Publicity
(417) 338-8207/338-8210
SILVER DOLLAR CITY ADDS NEW
$10 MILLION, EXPLOSIVE-LAUNCH
ROLLER COASTER,
POWDER KEG
NEW RIDE FOR 2005 BLASTS RIDERS
FROM 0-53 MPH IN 2.8 SECONDS
(Branson, Mo. 11/04) Silver Dollar City’s newest attraction shoots riders into a
thrill zone within seconds of climbing aboard, launching riders from 0 to 53 miles per
hour in just 2.8 seconds. Powder Keg, a thrill ride unlike any other in the history of the
theme park, combines the shocking speed of the launch with spiraling turns, negative
gravitational or “G” forces, and “floater” hills for a truly wild ride experience, billed as a
“blast in the wilderness.”
A $10 million project, Powder Keg takes riders from the big blast of the compressed airlaunch
up a lift to a 110-foot drop, into spiraling and dragonfly banked turns, through a
wave of floater hills and into a bunny hop brake run. Negative G forces give riders the
experience of weightlessness as the cars soar through the trees at speeds up to 64 miles
per hour.
“Powder Keg takes family fun to the next level, with a breath-taking ride experience,
major special effects and theming that takes our guests back to the historic mining days
of our own Marvel Cave,” says Brad Thomas, Silver Dollar City General Manager.
Powder Keg is themed in the history of the miners who mined tons of nitrogen-rich bat
guano out of then-Marble Cave in the 1880s. The guano was taken by stagecoach and
Over…
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railroads to powder mills where it was made into black powder, valuable in the post-Civil
War era. The Powder Keg ride begins in a powder mill as the cars move onto the launch
area, amid jars of nitroglycerine that rock and tip. As the nitro “explodes,” the cars blast
out of the building and special effects of fire and smoke shoot through the roof of the
powder mill load station.
A trip on Powder Keg lasts nearly three minutes and spirals around six acres on 3,500
feet of track. The ride carries more than 1,000 people per hour with 16 passengers per
train. Powder Keg is designed and manufactured by the world’s leading manufacturer of
compressed-air rides, S & S Power of Logan, Utah. Silver Dollar City’s Corporate
Development team and the Maintenance & Construction Division are handling theming
and construction. It is scheduled to open in Spring 2005.
Silver Dollar City, an 1880s theme park located in Branson, Missouri, brings to life the
history and heritage of the Ozark region. The park offers rides, entertainment, signature
foods, and five world-class festivals during its operating season, April through December.
For tickets and information, call 1-800-831-4FUN, or visit the web site at
www.silverdollarcity.com. An animated ride on Powder Keg is available at the web site.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 07, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
^That was the actual press release of the actual, final ride, but here was the orginal concept from the survey that morphed into what is now PK:

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Launched Coaster Ride - Exploding from the station at 50 mph the ride would twist and turn through the Ozark Mountains, including a 200 foot drop just after the launch. The coaster would end with a 70 foot plunge into a water filled splashdown pool. Hmmm... could they merge the new coaster with the Buzzsaw Falls’ splashdown pool?

It took me awhile to finally hunt this down. I wish I had done a better job over the years of keeping these concepts and their artwork together. They disappear off everyone's radar really quickly, but they give amazing insight into what the park is thinking about doing. We've seen them propose a wooden coaster, a shot tower, and a new mine ride several times now, along with several versions of an Adventure Mountain concept... I really need to get our lost concepts page updated with all the ones I've found recently.

Anyway, getting back to the PK concept pitch, it shows that they were originally looking at making it more of a thrill ride than what it ended up being. I think once S&S showed them their new restraint technology they realized they could push the envelope of a family coaster and really hit a home run with everybody, which is exactly what happened. It shows that the park was interested in having a 200ft drop though....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on March 07, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
Well, we have had our employee orientation meetings now and the excitement is riding high about the new project.  We have been given no details however.  We have been told that they will not be trying to hide, ala a privacy fence, what is going on and construction will be plainly evident to those who ride the train.  When people ask us what's going on, we've been asked to tell them truthfully that "Yes, there is something being built in the woods and you'll just have to wait with the rest of us for the "big" announcement at the end of the summer/beginning of fall for the details as to what exactly it is."  So, my advice to you all from this point on is to come out to the park often and watch as the development begins to take shape.  That ought to add plenty of fuel to your speculations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 07, 2012, 11:26:08 PM
Nice update Zephon! That should give the train conductor a new spiel. Look on your right, and what do you see? Trees! Look on your left, and what do you see? Trees.. Er uh construction! Why? Because we are building a rollercoaster in the woods!” ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 08, 2012, 10:35:12 AM
Agreed. Thanks, Z. So, is anyone going to opening day who might be willing to snag some pictures and post them right away for us?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 08, 2012, 12:33:46 PM
I’ve drafted Junior to challenge since he is supposed to be there opening week with a camera. :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 08, 2012, 03:55:25 PM
I'll see what I can do! I'm curious, and I know everyone else here is, too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on March 08, 2012, 06:09:32 PM
I will be there Sat. Was going to be opening day but i got a new job that got in the way!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 08, 2012, 11:09:26 PM
New jobs can always get in the way if they help support a nice trip to the city! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 08, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
Based on the earlier discussion regarding ride concept survey descriptions, I thought I would revisit what was proposed last year and is reportedly underway as we speak. It's very vague, and much less descriptive than the one which preceded PK's construction. IT does hint to some interesting thematic elements and a tunnel though. Then again, the PK description hinted to a 200ft. drop, which never saw the light of day, and we still wound up with an absolutely fantastic coaster.

"The Bull" Wooden Coaster: As you board the great wooden coaster, the blazing scarlet ride vehicle, with its glowing red eyes and serious-looking horns rumbles in the load station and looks as powerful as its flesh and blood counterpart. Moments later you are hanging on for dear life as “the Bull” roars out on the wooden track snorting steam as it tops the lift and sends you screaming through the farm-scape, entering and exiting through a pair of bull-shaped holes previously punched out by you-know-who.

 Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 09, 2012, 06:26:24 AM
Mooooooooo!  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 09, 2012, 07:15:00 AM
Hmmmm. Sounds like a good concept that matches Wilsons Farm. We will have to wait and see though. The snorting bull effect sounds fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 09, 2012, 08:56:02 AM
Well, if Dollywood can have an eagle rollercoaster, I suppose we could have a bull. Besides, Elsie the cow at Wilson’s Farm could probably use new stud muffin. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on March 09, 2012, 05:00:35 PM
I do hope they incorporate tunnels into the ride.  The Voyage at Holiday World has a tunnel that has a triple drop in it and that is really neat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 10, 2012, 01:17:38 PM
I'm very curious to see what types hills, lifts and/or drops we could see with this ride based on the surrounding terrain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 10, 2012, 04:39:47 PM
I am sure they are going to use the hills, i just hope for all you enthusiasts they use them to the max!  I dont expect to see a tunnel on this ride. I think with the hills and valleys it would be hard to incooperate one into the theme. we will see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 10, 2012, 10:23:35 PM
Either way, I just hope they pull out all the stops with the money allocated for this project. Hope the theming is on par with WF and PK. It would be great to have another truly one of a kind coaster we can be proud to see at SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 10, 2012, 11:34:42 PM
I just hope they keep as many trees as possible! Especially being so close to the train tracks. It’s bad enough that you can see one of the back employee parking lots from the train tracks.  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 11, 2012, 06:22:47 AM
Either way, I just hope they pull out all the stops with the money allocated for this project. Hope the theming is on par with WF and PK. It would be great to have another truly one of a kind coaster we can be proud to see at SDC.

On par? Hell, I hope the theming does nothing less than to blow those two out of the water atmosphere-wise. Wildfire has a great back story and an awesome station, but the ride is just out there on a hillside. PK doesn't even have all that nice of a station IMO. The launch barn is neat, but again the ride is just out there on a hillside.

Incorporating tunnels, track "near misses", etc. can really transform a coaster into a whole new experience beyond just a few drops and twists. I wish more parks cared enough about the long term enjoyment of their rides to take note of that.

At the very least, I hope this coaster has a nice backstory and station on par with Wildfire since they're building it from the ground up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 11, 2012, 09:09:05 AM
Agreed, Shave. That's what I was getting at. I also wish WF wasn't so exposed. Unfortunately, if this winds up being a smaller coaster, I think it's very realistic to expect that it will wind up being more of an open feel. That's why I'm really hoping for a larger, out and back style coaster that winds its way through the existing terrain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 14, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
If somebody could check out EH, I would like to know what they changed there? a Picture would be great,  thanks!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 15, 2012, 12:54:08 PM
So jealous of all the people who have already hopped on the train today and seen what's brewing in the woods. Can't wait to see some updated pictures.  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 15, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
YEA!!!  waiting for park closing tonite............. 

maybe somebody will upload some pics while at the motel tonite! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

PLLLEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE>
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on March 15, 2012, 03:22:16 PM
yeah, Junior that means you LOL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 15, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
ALERT! New photos posted of opening day, 2012 at SDC! That means new shots of construction underway on the ride opening in 2013! Check 2012 Trip Review thread for full details, but check out the photos on my Flickr site:   Click on photos to enlarge them and read full captions.  :)  http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on March 15, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
Junior, I just clicked on your link and got a flicker site that's not yours.  This Juhnior had an h in his name.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 15, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
I got the problem fixed with my Flickr address listed above...try it again, it works now! Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on March 15, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
Thanks for the pics Junior, I really enjoyed them. Appreciate you getting them posted so quickly.  I always enjoyed Doc Gizmo's experiments.  The Sons of the Silver Dollar always put on a great show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2012, 05:48:40 PM
Wow, I didn't expect full throttle construction to start so soon on this ride. I thought they might do a little clearing and get the station started, but it sounds like they're really going after the whole thing with footers and whatnot. I couldn't believe how many there were already.  Your note about them coming close to Hobo Junction miffs me a little, but as long as it's back there where it's not too visible we can bear it. Like we've said before, the train is one of those last vestiges of the real old days of SDC and these new coasters are really starting to encroach upon it.

At this rate, who knows how quickly we'll see vertical construction start. That station is going to start getting off the ground soon, probably within a couple of weeks. With that many footers in place they could start putting wood up soon as well. I wonder if the plan is to get a lot constructed so they can show it off before the park closes for the season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 15, 2012, 06:27:38 PM
nice thanks junior,.

i am surprised that what little work they are doing in EH isnt done yet... be interesting to see the final product for GAC and the new western show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 15, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Thanks so much for the update, Junior. Probably unfair and way too early to speculate this, but from the looks of the footings, I do not get the impression this is going to be a bigger out and back coaster. But a whole lot more can happen in the 365 days until opening day 2013.

Probably seems like a silly question, but from a marketing standpoint, especially knowing there isn't a new attraction to push this year, I wonder why they would not have already released information about the ride itself. Seems to me it would be smart to set the tone earlier than later, but I guess driving offseason ticket sales is more effective if you time it in conjunction with the unveiling of an upcoming attraction. It's just going to tough if we have to wait until November for to see an official announcement about the name and features of the ride. Obviously, we'll have some clues based on what we see going on in the park, but it's difficult being patient.

Funny, I'm almost 40 years old, but I feel like a kid in a candy store when I walk into SDC. Even more so when anticipation is building around a new addition to the park. I enjoy bigger amusement parks too, but they don't come close to doing the same thing for me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 15, 2012, 07:07:59 PM
Maybe they'll open of up early during OTC for an early gift and use it as word of mouth marketing to drive season ticket sales during the off season. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 15, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
Thanks for the pictures Junior. We can always count on you to keep us up to date. In looking at the pictures it seems like the construction is pretty close to the train tracks. Is this just me not seeing things right? Of course wants the trees start filling out and sich maybe this wouldn't seem to be the case. Looking forward to the ride...I'm like you Sanddune, I thought construction on EH would be further along, if not already done. It will be interesting to see how that develops.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2012, 11:00:36 PM
^The construction is right on the train tracks. The station is pretty much right on where Grandpa used to sit to tell the Christmas Story, and the tracks run off to the side down the valley in two directions. The track will have to cross over the train tracks to get to the lift hill and then once again for the break run into the station.

Thanks so much for the update, Junior. Probably unfair and way too early to speculate this, but from the looks of the footings, I do not get the impression this is going to be a bigger out and back coaster. But a whole lot more can happen in the 365 days until opening day 2013.

Probably seems like a silly question, but from a marketing standpoint, especially knowing there isn't a new attraction to push this year, I wonder why they would not have already released information about the ride itself. Seems to me it would be smart to set the tone earlier than later, but I guess driving offseason ticket sales is more effective if you time it in conjunction with the unveiling of an upcoming attraction. It's just going to tough if we have to wait until November for to see an official announcement about the name and features of the ride. Obviously, we'll have some clues based on what we see going on in the park, but it's difficult being patient.

Funny, I'm almost 40 years old, but I feel like a kid in a candy store when I walk into SDC. Even more so when anticipation is building around a new addition to the park. I enjoy bigger amusement parks too, but they don't come close to doing the same thing for me.

You can't tell much yet about how big this will be. The footings at this point are pretty much the same for a giant coaster or a tiny one. Time will tell how far out they go...

As for releasing info, the park wouldn't want to let everything loose just yet because for one thing it would encourage some people to wait out this year or go somewhere else and visit in 2013 instead. You want to wait long enough for the majority of season passes to be purchased at the very least. They can't sell 2013 passes just yet, and that's the whole point of any ride addition. I expect an announcement by late summer though. Wild Eagle was announced Sept. 4 I believe.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on March 16, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
Thanks for the photo's and update Junior. I felt like I was actually there. Can't wait till we get to take our 1st trip of the 2012 season to see it with our own eyes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 16, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
New construction makes me nervous, especially so close to the train tracks. There is just something about seeing big equipment, and dug up ground, and knocked down trees that makes me cringe a bit. I know everything will work out beautiful in the end, and Silver Dollar city is a living, and growing city. However, it will take some getting used to.

I look forward to more updates! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 17, 2012, 08:52:54 AM
Agreed. Much of SDC's timeless charm is the feeling of each experience (ride, show, food or shopping) being tucked into the woods. I thoroughly enjoy TNT and PK because much of the surrounding trees were not disturbed with their construction. Still love WF, but it's definitely an open, exposed ride. I'm sure they were very handicapped with saving trees during its construction due to the terrain.

With this new coaster, I sincerely hope they utilize the terrain and character of location to the point that it winds up being the ride's greatest feature.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 17, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
The crossing over the train tracks shouldn't be an issue with the right theming.

What I want to know is that are they going to relocate the robbery routine and the Grandpa's story bit during OTC. They could go in and plant some pines that are evergreen to help shield things from one another.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 17, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
^They already have. They've been doing the robbery/story in a new location for years now. It won't be disturbed for a long time down there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 17, 2012, 12:36:59 PM
Ok, Didn't know whether this was going to effect that or not.

I'm never thrilled to see the maintenance area from the train. Maybe one day they can tie that area into the park with a new attraction and the current project  and Grand Expo and that where a new tressel/ crossing comes into play.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 18, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
Wonder how long it will be before we start seeing bents going up on the footers already dotting the area. Really anxious to see some wood start showing up. Are we assuming this coaster will incorporate the RMC steel track topper?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 18, 2012, 11:56:44 AM
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They could go in and plant some pines that are evergreen to help shield things from one another.
  Hopefully this is not looked upon as a fix all, I have noticed they are planting a lot more of this type of tree at SDC.  They do provide screening but do not have the character of a tall oak or a redbud in bloom.  They also lack the seasonal change that the other trees provide.  I always enjoy the bright new spring green this time of year or the golden fall colors.
Fir trees and pines do provide screening but very little character.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 18, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Wonder how long it will be before we start seeing bents going up on the footers already dotting the area. Really anxious to see some wood start showing up. Are we assuming this coaster will incorporate the RMC steel track topper?

We know it will include steel topper track. I posted an interview awhile back where one of the high ups in this company was talking about the project to TPR and he highlighted the fact that it would use new trains, steel topper track, and steel wheels.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 18, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
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They could go in and plant some pines that are evergreen to help shield things from one another.
  Hopefully this is not looked upon as a fix all, I have noticed they are planting a lot more of this type of tree at SDC.  They do provide screening but do not have the character of a tall oak or a redbud in bloom.  They also lack the seasonal change that the other trees provide.  I always enjoy the bright new spring green this time of year or the golden fall colors.
Fir trees and pines do provide screening but very little character.


I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I love evergreens but not complete dense stands of them. Guess it's the time I spent in south arkansas hunting as a kid.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 19, 2012, 08:17:27 AM
Just a quick request...if anyone visits the park this summer could you please post photos of the construction here so the rest of us can keep up with what is going on? THANKS!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 19, 2012, 08:40:13 AM
I dont get how to post pictures.  ??? Can someone explain it to me??
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
Photos from Saturday (3/17/12)
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/03.17.12/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 19, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
Wait, has Hobo Junction been destroyed? The caboose is still there. but I don't see Grandpa taking a shower or any of the other figures that were out there. Are they out of frame or completely gone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 19, 2012, 10:47:52 AM
Its all gone!!!  >:( Just the caboose is left but for how long I dunno...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 19, 2012, 10:51:56 AM
I'd be willing to bet they find a new home.

Thank you for sharing the pics, Swoosh. Now that you have seen the site in person, do you have any sense for the presumed scale of the overall ride? You used the word "massive" to describe the loading station and the footers. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean the ride itself will follow suit, but I was curious to hear if you had a gut guess on the how big this coaster may be, based on how much they've already done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 19, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
oh NO!!!  Gone?  there goes another landmark.. Where is granpa going to shower now,???

I dont see with as long as they had to design this ride why they are infringing on the train area so much..

Maybe when its all done it will make more sense....???

Maybe.. ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
We all know the powers that be know well and good how beloved the train ride and it's accompanying elements are to SDC visitors both old and new. I for one believe the addition of this new coaster in the area is actually going to make the train ride even more interesting. Think about all of the untouched wooded area that flanks the train tracks for most of the loop. There are plenty of places the Hobo junction elements could be relocated along the existing route. The train robbery has already been moved once. No reason to think they can't do the same for Hobo Junction.

On another note, in looking at the pics Swoosh posted of the ongoing construction progress, I couldn't help but speculate on a potential clue. Take a closer look at the placement of the many footers already dotting the site. Could this be the potential shape of some track soon to be in place? Perhaps a helix element? Sorry, folks. Couldn't help myself.

Admin Edit: Please don't modify and/or redistribute copyrighted photos without getting the permission of the owner first.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on March 19, 2012, 03:40:40 PM
I dont get how to post pictures.  ??? Can someone explain it to me??

Me too!  I've tried without success.  I keep getting messages that state my "photos are too large".
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 19, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Thanks for the new photos...much work has been done at the site since I took photos on opening day!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 19, 2012, 06:15:23 PM
I dont get how to post pictures.  ??? Can someone explain it to me??

Me too!  I've tried without success.  I keep getting messages that state my "photos are too large".

A lot of cameras take photos that have huge file sizes right after you take them off the camera. In order to upload photos to this forum, you'll have to resize your photos to a smaller size by opening them up in a program like paint and resizing them.

The best way to post photos though is to not upload them directly to the site, but rather to set up an account on flikr or imgur.com and just post the links to your photos there. Once upon a time I was working on a fully functional photo sharing feature for this site, but I simply don't have the time to put into it anymore. It ended up being a massive program and it still doesn't work right.


Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, if hobo junction is indeed gone then I wouldn't expect to see it back. This was a part of the old days of SDC that management has been slowly stamping out. I'm sure someone deemed it un-PC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2012, 06:15:55 PM

Thank you for sharing the pics, Swoosh. Now that you have seen the site in person, do you have any sense for the presumed scale of the overall ride? You used the word "massive" to describe the loading station and the footers. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean the ride itself will follow suit, but I was curious to hear if you had a gut guess on the how big this coaster may be, based on how much they've already done.


I think the station will include a retail location like WildFire.
As for the layout, I think it is safe to assume a curve will be located at hobo junction and another at the tunnel.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 19, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76324302@N06/?saved=1

Okay soo here are my few pictures that I managed to snap. I couldnt believe how much was visable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on March 19, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
I'm not really liking it, but it will probably look a lot better when it's finished.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 20, 2012, 07:50:29 AM
Yeah, don't worry, it will all look better on opening day next spring! Seems like the construction crew has been busy in the last week!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: krash9924 on March 20, 2012, 08:45:01 AM
So what is the future of the train? Has anyone heard anything? This seems like a great time to just simply make it disappear amid the excitement of a new ride. I think losing the train would be a major blow to the park but it seems as if little by little they are chipping away at it. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 20, 2012, 09:02:57 AM
The train isn't going anywhere. It's been a fixture at the park for decades. And as I pointed out in an earlier post, 2/3 to 3/4 of the current ride takes place in total seclusion within the woods. Development around the park is inevitable, but the train will simply go under, over, through or around it. Always has. Always will.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on March 20, 2012, 09:19:18 AM
I agree that it is safe to say that the train will always be there, however, elements of the train excursion have been lost over time. I would be surprised to see 'hobo junction' reappear somewhere else along the tracts, I hope it does, but doubt it will. Progress is give and take, new things come, old things go. It's exciting to see new attractions, but unfortunately we have to say goodbye to so many beloved ones along the way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cousin bubba on March 20, 2012, 10:11:53 AM
New script for the train ride. " Look to your left and what do you see? Roller coasters. Look to your right and what do you see? Roller coasters. That's because your in an amusement park."
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 20, 2012, 11:13:50 AM
The train isn't going anywhere. It's been a fixture at the park for decades. And as I pointed out in an earlier post, 2/3 to 3/4 of the current ride takes place in total seclusion within the woods. Development around the park is inevitable, but the train will simple go under, over, through or around it. Always has. Always will.

Maybe they can extend it out a bit and include a tressel over a ravine or something.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 20, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
^^ Bubba, I don't think SDC will ever be considered an amusement park. But in order to stay competitive and profitable, they must develop new attractions, and offer a variety of them for a variety of interests. It's definitely fair to say many of us have a major distaste for some of the smaller, amusement park-like elements that have slowly oozed into the fabric of SDC's offerings over the years (midway games, lack of theme on some rides, vending machines, etc.), but they are few and far between. Just having a few coasters on park does not justify the label of "amusement park". Even Disney has accepted the reality that even "theme park" enthusiasts demand some excitement for their cost of entry.

If SDC was nothing more than shows, craftsmen and boutique shops (all great in their own right), it would have gone bankrupt and closed a long time ago.

   
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on March 20, 2012, 02:03:05 PM
Wow! So much has happened since I've last been able to check in! I'm getting pumped for next season for sure!

I'm not expecting a record breaker by any means, that's never been SDC's way. I am expecting a GREAT theme and atmosphere, and a thrilling family ride. I want Wildfire's theme with Powderkeg's thrill.

Keep the pics comin'!  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 20, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
I'm going to have to bite my tongue to some degree until construction is complete and this thing opens next year. Only then will we know the effect it will have on the park atmosphere that we cherish so much. As others have alluded to, there are plenty of things they could be planning to add to the train tracks near this ride to add to the theme and make up for Hobo Junction. I just hope they don't decide to mess anything else up in the mean time...

As far as the ride itself goes, it's good to remember that SDC and HEFC in general actually does go pretty large with it's rides. I don't know if any one else has noticed, but Wildfire is a damn big ride. Most parks with just a couple of coasters (at the time) don't get big rides like that. PK is pretty big and innovative as well. Then at DW you have all these other big rides going in. These parks have reached a point where everything they do is pretty big and worth getting truly excited over. Especially since, as Swoosh pointed out, this ride will most likely have a gift shop for its self. That means its going to be big enough to really be marketable.

Btw, here's something to look at to understand why some of these footers are placed in four rows in some areas: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gavZoqY7kIE/TlRT6PUb9ZI/AAAAAAAAFJ4/Uc2pn01QhA0/s1600/6.jpg

For this ride, the areas with four rows of footers are almost surely curves, with 2 rows for vertical supports and 2 more rows on the outside to support diagonal supports.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on March 20, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
As time passes, things like the scenes along the train route or in the flooded mine will change. It's just the way it is. Prior to the diving bell plying the waters of Lake Silver, a fun little "scene" on the train occurred as it rounded the lake. A "man" in a boat on the lake is fishing. The train conductor says something about how he has a new boat...then he sees the man in his boat on the lake, gets angry no one asked permission to use his boat, and then the conductor fired a shot at him. The "man"in the boat swings around a shakes his fist at the conductor. I remember that gag on the train ride from my first visit in 1970 until about '75 or '76. The diving bell opened in '77 and the man in the boat was gone...it would have taken attention away from the diving bell on the track that slid out of the cave and into the waters, bubbling as it sank. So as new attractions pop up around the train, expect the scenes to change. Maybe they will relocate Hobo Junction and use it elsewhere on the ride, or maybe it will disappear. We will see what happens over the course of the next year. Remember, there is still hope...even the treehouse is still on park, carefully preserved. Hopefully someday it will open again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 20, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
When I was there opening weekend we were sitting on the train waiting for everyone to board and take off. My husband pokes me and asks hey whats that? (refering to tom sawyers) I explained to him that it is just a closed down attraction that I pine for. He then says well it looks open to me look...(he then points to a lady in pink in the highest point looking down) She was there all afternoon. No visable point of entry.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 20, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
^Tom Sawyers Landing is now used as a lookout post for the riverblast. They have to have someone watching in case somebody jumps overboard or something.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 20, 2012, 06:18:53 PM
Clear over by the (above) the wax hand dipping??? Huh learn somethin new everyday! Thanks shave
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on March 20, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
I'm going to have to bite my tongue to some degree until construction is complete and this thing opens next year. Only then will we know the effect it will have on the park atmosphere that we cherish so much.

That, plus 3-10 years for vegetation to grow in.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 20, 2012, 10:20:27 PM
It didn't take 3-10 years for it to grow in at Grand Expo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on March 21, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
I'm not sure I call the vegetation at GE "grown in". Established, maybe, but there's still a lot to be desired IMO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2012, 08:40:30 PM
Well IMO I'm not seeing the complaint.  Enlighten us.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 21, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
I think GE was done very well with the exception of the thematic element feeling significantly removed from the period that SDC was developed around. In my personal opinion, the rides were a welcome addition, the landscaping was tastefully done, and the signage is beautiful. Unfortunately, the theme is more on par with the turn of the century World's Fair, than 19th century. And don't get me started on the midway games. At the very least, why could they not exist with a nod to the period? Have kids play for something reminiscent of the times? Or something that was handcrafted at SDC.  If there's anything at all that feels like a half a$$ed afterthought in the park, this is it. Playing ring toss for rubber basketballs at a theme park built around a period where electricity or plumbing didn't exist. Seriously? Sorry for the rant. It's way off topic and been echoed by many here, but I had to get it off my chest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on March 21, 2012, 09:52:07 PM
It didn't take 3-10 years for it to grow in at Grand Expo.

But we're talking trees here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 21, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
I think GE was done very well with the exception of the thematic element feeling significantly removed from the period that SDC was developed around. In my personal opinion, the rides were a welcome addition, the landscaping was tastefully done, and the signage is beautiful. Unfortunately, the theme is more on par with the turn of the century World's Fair, than 19th century. And don't get me started on the midway games. At the very least, why could they not exist with a nod to the period? Have kids play for something reminiscent of the times? Or something that was handcrafted at SDC.  If there's anything at all that feels like a half a$$ed afterthought in the park, this is it. Playing ring toss for rubber basketballs at a theme park built around a period where electricity or plumbing didn't exist. Seriously? Sorry for the rant. It's way off topic and been echoed by many here, but I had to get it off my chest.

I get the theming. Silver Dollar City is set at the turn of the 20th century and at that time the World's Fair was seen as a place to check out the newest and greatest. Grand Exposition is meant to fill the curiosity of the people with modern wonders in amusements during that time. One glaring omission is a ferris wheel.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
So am I. The family owns a nursery with mature trees. They did this for GE, they'll do it again at the Bull.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Copper on March 21, 2012, 10:45:16 PM
I personally laugh at the flying elephants and the swinging pirate ship, they are sore thumbs to me.  And I wish we could have had a unique wave swinger like Holiday World. They could have included Ozarks scenes on the Wave Carousel with Shad, Molly and others. 

I like pine/ceder trees in the Ozarks, they provide some color in the winter.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 21, 2012, 11:28:27 PM
^I totally agree. Most of the Grand Expo makes sense and is well done, but the backside is really jarring and totally breaks the atmosphere of the park. I also wish they did more to theme the area, because it's possible that only the visitors to this forum actually know what the theme is supposed to be.

Anyway, getting back to the discussion at hand, who will be onsite during the next two weeks? Given how fast they're going right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of vertical construction start soon. In any case, I want to get a feel of where the footers are going. Can anyone make an overhead map with google maps and paint to show what has been done so far?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 22, 2012, 07:45:24 PM
The #1 thing Grand Expo did was provide more rides which the City was short on and help it's marketability to families with them. There's the three or four rides that are basically toddler rides and they step up from there. There's lots of busy time for kids in that area. We spend half our trips to the City back there it seems with the kids.

Our kids don't pester us every time they see a carnival either and we have piece of mind with them riding those type of rides at SDC with a more stable work/maintenance crew if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 22, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
I will be there sunday, hoping for an easy day, but it is the last day of sprong braek and they have had rain...Sooooo  we will see..  IF i can get on the train I will get some pics..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 22, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
There's a couple of places here in Fayetteville where you can get 25 ft tall maples and oaks and a couple of others. Of course they want 500 bucks a pop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2012, 09:41:05 PM
...which is why they grow their own, like I said above.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 24, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
I was trolling youtube for new SDC videos....yes I was just there but it seems like forever ago that I was  :) anyhow this link is to a video of the train ride condensed and shows footage of the construction....watch it all the way thru because it shows footage before the train robbery and post train robbery near the GS. The train robbery is almost all the way cut out of video.... :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtzmlVSB7OI
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 24, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
^Very cool, nice find. Looks fairly recent, because they've done more work on the station than I had seen before.

More interestingly, there's a huge number of footers going in behind hobo junction. It looks like the bulk of the footers placed right now are in that valley rather than the valley between the mule barn and maintenance area that I was speculating about earlier. Perhaps the first drop will be behind hobo junction, and then it comes out of the valley and crosses the train tracks a couple of times to go into the other valley without disturbing the mule barn. It looks like it might actually go farther out away from the park, hard to tell yet.

Here's more fanboy paint art just for kicks:

Terrain of the area in question (hobo junction is the little clearing next to the train tracks on the far left): http://imgur.com/fWchh.jpg

Known work areas: http://i.imgur.com/vtUOm.jpg
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 26, 2012, 05:45:44 PM
OK try this.. not sure how else to do it???.  here are 4 links to 4 pics I put on FB from my phone!!  LOL!! good luck..
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3284217995804&set=a.2222120204023.122872.1578260143&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3284220635870&set=a.2222120204023.122872.1578260143&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3284222635920&set=a.2222120204023.122872.1578260143&type=1&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3284224155958&set=a.2222120204023.122872.1578260143&type=1&theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 26, 2012, 06:02:40 PM
If you're going to post links to facebook, make sure your content is marked public. I believe most people have it setup to where everything is automatically private, as yours is currently.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 26, 2012, 06:09:49 PM
Shave, try this video link...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3284311158133
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 26, 2012, 06:14:16 PM
Ok i set it for public, check it out... ??? ???

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 26, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
ANother video... hope u can see it..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3284311158133#!/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 26, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
 Try putting [im g] [/im g] (omit the space) around the url for the photos since your links still are not working
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 26, 2012, 10:14:33 PM
The photos work now, I edited the links a bit so our forum didn't mess them up - sometimes facebook links can be tricky like that. The videos are still set to private.

^IMG tags won't work for facebook photos unless you know how to parse out the direct url to the image files.

Interesting the difference in distance from the train tracks from that angle. From other angles it looks like it's right on the tracks, but it's good to know there's a bit of space.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 26, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Still don't work.
This is why they invented photobucket and flickr
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 27, 2012, 09:17:11 AM
This could be one of the video's sanddunerider was trying to post yesterday.

http://youtu.be/JdoDg8V05eE (http://youtu.be/JdoDg8V05eE)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 27, 2012, 10:03:13 AM
Thanks Back, that is one of the videos.. ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on March 27, 2012, 10:50:59 AM
Here are some of my Photos I took Sunday including a close up of a Footer in place. The prefab footers they are using doesn't look like traditional wooden coaster footers as a traditional wooden footer would have flat metal sticking up out of the cement. These look more like sign footers with the round metal base sticking out of the footer. It is making me wonder if they're gonna be using a wooden structure for this or a metal structure for this one as the footers seem to suggest.

The thing that has me really excited for the ride now is that drop into the Valley. I am digging up some Topo Maps in the area to tell what the terrain is like around this coaster and to estimate the height of the valley drop there.

Anyone got any ideas about the structure being wooden or metal. I had thought it was gonna be Wooden Structured but the footers are throwing me off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 27, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
No problem, SDR. Happy to share your other video(s), but I don't see another one listed on your youtube page. Thanks for sharing the pics above. This project looks like it could be more expansive than I was orginally thinking it would be. And I agree with you on the footers. If you check out RMC's website there are several pics of their previous projects that utilize metal supports rather than wood. Personally, I don't think the plethora of metal supports it will take for a bigger coaster, will complement the atmosphere and surroundings at SDC. The whole park just begs for a coaster that's timber from head to toe, but it may just not be nearly cost effective at this point. We will see. So anxious to see vertical progress. Can't be too far off. Unless they're just getting started with the footers.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 27, 2012, 12:45:03 PM
If this isn't a wood coaster I'm going to be mighty disappointed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on March 27, 2012, 12:45:39 PM
Here are some pictures I took last Thursday.

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/040.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/0412.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/042.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/043.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/060.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/061.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/062.jpg)

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/063.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 27, 2012, 12:53:34 PM
Great pictures Tiff! Although, boy is that construction site an eye sore for the train ride. They should rename the train from the “Scenic Railway” to “Silver Dollar City's Back Lot Tour.” ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 27, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
Wow, thanks for the photos everyone!

I do believe they stated it would use a wooden frame in one of the interviews, but I'll have to look again when I have time. It wouldn't make sense for them to use a steel support structure here I would think, not only due to aesthetics but also cost and purpose. It's already a hybrid wood/steel coaster, if they used steel supports why bother using this kind of a deign at all?

This is the first I've heard of pre-cast footers as well. Seems like a very strange process to me, but maybe I'll understand more when I actually start taking soil foundations classes next fall.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 27, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
The shear number of footers spaced so close together says wood. Maybe they have a unique piece that the wood attaches to the footer that gives more flexibility to maintain a smoother ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 27, 2012, 07:04:30 PM
another video (short) but good of construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoDg8V05eE
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on March 27, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
Great pictures Tiff! Although, boy is that construction site an eye sore for the train ride. They should rename the train from the “Scenic Railway” to “Silver Dollar City's Back Lot Tour.” ;)

That's kinda what it felt like!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 27, 2012, 08:38:03 PM
It seems like they pretty far along on the construction for a 2013 coaster...at least if it is going to be a smaller coaster, of course I'm not an expert on this type of thing. Does the progress that we are seeing indicate this could be a good size coaster which explains why they are so far along? Or is this typical progress for a coaster that would be opened a year later, even a smaller coaster?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 27, 2012, 09:34:06 PM
I was wondering the exact same thing. Is the fact that they started more than a year in advance in any way an indication of the coaster's size? Perhaps they started this early because they wanted more back end  time for testing the ride before opening day 2013. Based on Shave's last overhead indicating progress, the current footer placement leads me to believe this coaster could wind up being the biggest (in terms of overall footprint) coaster in the park.

If any of you had to guess, what percentage of the footers do you think are already in place? I'm hoping only about 15-20%, but it's very hard to tell from the photos we've seen thus far.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on March 27, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
I could have missed this one aomewhere in here while being off, but does anyone else think that this will alter the R/R tracks?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 27, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
^^It's unusual in this industry for construction to begin to this extent this early, but it's no secret anymore that this ride was originally intended for 2012, so from the contractor's perspective it's quite a delay already. HFEC does get things started early though so rides are almost always ready for park opening. A lot of other parks don't even try to do that. One of the Six Flags in California is just now starting vertical construction on their new coaster for THIS season.

^It won't alter the train tracks, otherwise we would have seen evidence of that already. It's unnecessary with the right design anyway, I don't see why they would even bother.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on March 27, 2012, 11:25:37 PM
I can remember vividly seeing the construction of PowderKeg during the Spring of 2004 (while on the train ride no less), and it opened the following year in 2005. So everything seems to be right on par with this newest coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 28, 2012, 07:34:09 AM
I can clearly envision this being part of a step that completes a new loop around Lake Silver that meets up with Grand Exposition. It will force the relocation of that large parking lot and maintenance area but still allow as much of a buffer as GE has. SDC would have to move lots of that parking across 76 where they have a lot already. They could theme some of the maintenance buildingss into the park itself, just fronted with shops and concessions.

I think if that's the case the train stays put and the park just blends in like it does elsewhere with maybe wrought iron pedestrian bridges over it or new crossings or tressels.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on March 28, 2012, 09:43:48 AM
Only if they renovate and change the look of GE! I can't go past Red Gold without feeling like I entered a different park/ fair/ carnival with moveable rides that were set up the night before by carney-folk.  I think it would be too large seeing that they would need to design the facade for the backside of Red Gold...this would be too large when they are already setting up a new coaster and theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 28, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
^^ I don't see that happening based on limited real estate and the potential complications with existing infrastructure.

If SDC was ever going to entertain park expansion with a totally new area, I would like to see them do it in the west area between Wildfire and the front parking lot. There is tons of untouched land there. And if terrain were ever an issue, I would love to see them add some sort of themed people mover that could aid in helping people get to and fro in a leisurely fashion. Pie in the sky, I'm sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 28, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
I don't think adding a facade to the back of Red Gold would be all that difficult I'm the midst of amakor expansion. You could even use the queue of a new ride to help. I think if they do a loop behind Lake Silver they'll do about the same as they did with the other side a couple of game booths. I just don't hate the theming like some of you do.
what I see is more and more places mixing their rides together to get the most out of the space. May start to happen here.

As to limited real estate. I don't know what SDC owns on the south side of 76 going west from the light. But seems that they could build a new maintenance area there. They could also use some of that excavation spoil from the parking lots to form an earthen berm along the boundary with 76 to shield the park.  Its no more narrow than where they stuck GE. A loop from the Wilson's Farm to the new ride to GE from Google Earth just seems like a natural thing to do. What of does do would force the relocation of some catch all sheds and workshops and a parking lot. That's the one thing I don't like about the train ride, the view of the maintenance area! Yuck.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on March 28, 2012, 01:14:56 PM
Would ADA compliance allow them to create another hill street type setting? If so, it is as simple as expanding to add a few shops and a ride. I am fine with an expansion that does not include a ride, as long as it is themed well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on March 29, 2012, 02:34:06 AM
I went back and looked for footers of other wooden roller coasters. I have found the footers of El Toro at Six Flags Great Adventure to be similar to what is going on for the footers of the Bull here at SDC. Based on this photo here: http://www.rcdb.com/3183.htm?p=15335 you can see some similarities of the metal connection as our Bull here. So whoever is building this has taken notes from the Intamin ride at Great Adventure, so I am thinking it's gonna be wooden structured. When they get the bents in place it would have prefab footings that would bolt right onto the footers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 29, 2012, 11:14:02 AM
It's such a double edged sword with the park only being open on weekends at the beginning of the season. On one hand, it's tough waiting an entire week to see what's been done on the new coaster. On the other, significant progress can happen in a weeks time.

Can't wait to see some vertical construction start. That should help answer a lot questions and begin to give us an idea of what this coaster will offer. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 31, 2012, 09:59:31 PM
No updated pics on the coaster progress? It's been a week, and it's killin' me. Still drives me nuts that SDC doesn't have the foresight to utilize a soft marketing push with this project, by posting their own regularly updated photos and updates of the ongoing construction. I understand the desire to remain tight-lipped about the details of a project for a given time, but I firmly believe that should only be prior to breaking ground. It's such a wasted opportunity to not be driving folks to the SDC site for the latest happenings within their own park. Many major parks offer videos, photos and new project construction updates to convert every ounce of anticipation and exposure into excitement that ultimately drives interest and tickets sales to the park. It's such a shame that many like us have to rely on a fan site/blog just to see what's changing at SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on March 31, 2012, 10:08:15 PM
I snapped a few from the area behind TGS, but nothing too great showing anything other than some earth movers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 31, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
Sounds like things have definitely slowed down some. Perhaps the contractor is able to fit the schedule around their needs to some degree since they have so much time to work with. Could be other projects they've diverted to for the time being now that so much foundational work is in place. Maybe they are waiting awhile before starting the truly vertical construction. Some of the construction looks like it's taking place out of sight way behind hobo junction.

As for the marketing, I'm positive they'll be marketing the fire out of this thing in a few months. They know what they are doing in that respect. The constant construction updates from some parks might keep enthusiasts entertained, but I doubt it helps the general public understand what is going on. When SF parks update their facebook pages with construction photos people are always asking what is going on and spreading false rumors - right on their facebook page. Sometimes it's good to control the public releases more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: krash9924 on April 01, 2012, 09:23:22 PM
Took a few pictures from the train this Saturday. 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/krash9924/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/krash9924/)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 01, 2012, 09:34:23 PM
Looks like the base of the station is complete now with the footers
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: krash9924 on April 01, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Yes, and from what it appears,it will be a short trek from Wilson's Farm.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 03, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
Do we have any clear indication of how expansive the layout will be. May seem like a silly question at this point, but from all the pictures I'm seeing, it seems like the existing footers start near the tracks and disappear down a hillside. Shave, I remember you posting an updated overhead a while ago showing where work has been done or is ongoing. Just curious if this is coaster is shaping up to be one with woods around it's perimeter, or one that utilizes the woods taking you in and out of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 05, 2012, 01:14:11 AM
The footers/clearing is definitely stretching back into the woods behind Hobo junction. I'd appreciate it if anyone going to the park soon could cast a glance back there on the train and tell us how far back they've gotten. Seems like most of the course will be in that valley, and it might be along the lines of a slightly twisted out and back from what I can tell, sort of like the Voyage, but that's just going by what has been cleared so far.

What I find strange is the location of the train crossover next to hobo junction. Why would the track cross over here? It's a long ways from the station and there's no room for track to go on the other side. Maybe it will lead up to the break run, but it still seems like an odd place to put it.

As far as the woods go, I'm sure it will stay in the trees as much as possible like Wild Eagle does. Unfortunately that doesn't mean it will have trees that close to the track, but it will again be like the Voyage in that it charges into the woods.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 05, 2012, 04:49:44 PM
^Wait.  When was it announced that it was crossing the track at Hobo Junction?  I thought that was just a helix/turn around
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on April 05, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Look at some of the photos taken...they have laid concrete for a "crossing" that was not there before. I wonder if this is for maintenance access or for the public to cross into the area for some reason?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 05, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
From this video that was posted a few pages back you can see where the crossing is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtzmlVSB7OI

Start watching at the 3:18 mark and by 3:34 you can see where the footers cross the train tracks. It's way down there where the tracks meet each other not more than a hundred yards away from the hobo junction caboose. There's definately some twists and turns going down in that valley from the video as well, but it's too shaky and grainy to really tell what's going on yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 06, 2012, 08:05:55 AM
I watched the video again, I don't see where they cross the tracks. I can see where they come up to the tracks and run parallel for short distance, but nothing showing footers crossing. When you watch the complete video and the train is on it's return run, there isn't anything shown on the opposite side of the tracks that indicate footers or clearing or anything.

There is a service road crossing that occurs in the location you are talking about, but that service road has been there a while and can be seen from some of the aerial photos that have been posted as well as the GIS maps available from the City of Branson http://69.29.44.91/BRANSON_AREA/

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 06, 2012, 08:17:10 AM
So service road across the tracks = the coaster is going across the tracks?
Um, ok... I guess I can follow that type of logic. 
It's not going across the tracks there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 06, 2012, 01:39:32 PM
Ah, I see now. I didn't notice that the footers curved off to the side before because I thought the crossing was part of it. Thanks for the clarification cowboy, and thanks for not being a dick about it or anything Swoosh.  ::) That's kind of unfortunate that there's such a big turnaround right next to the tracks like that. Now it really is a roller coaster alley.

Anyone notice the huge batch of footers on the other side of the valley from the turn we just discussed? Looks like something big is going on other there, but the footage is too shakey to see anything and it's too far away for most of the photos. I was thinking the first drop might go there, but it's a long ways away from the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 06, 2012, 02:53:17 PM
I wondered if the footers on the otherside were actually precast, and would be "set" elsewhere... ???  maybe?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on April 06, 2012, 05:13:18 PM
We were at SDC today and road the train.  When we got to the loading station you could look left and see wooden supports going up.  They looked like they were about maybe 50 ft. high or so.  Would like to have took pictures but was on the opposite side of the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 06, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Wow, vertical construction already. I know I postulated earlier that it could happen this month, but it still seems so soon.

So they're starting in the area near the maintainence where Zephon posted the first photos of clearing work?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on April 06, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
Yes!  Right in front of the old robber's shack across the tracks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 07, 2012, 08:27:27 AM
I am really surprised they are going vertical already..
I really thought they would do ALL ground prep and concrete footers this year,
Then finish complete assembly of building and track this next off season..

I guess they cant refuse the nice weather. ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on April 08, 2012, 08:18:55 AM
I snapped a pic yesterday.  http://m.flickr.com/photos/76980618@N02/7056530415/lightbox/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 08, 2012, 09:02:52 AM
Welcoome to the group WF!!, 
great pic,
WOW,!!!!! they are going to get serious about this it looks like!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on April 08, 2012, 09:33:00 AM
Way to go Wildfire!  Sometimes it pays to sit on the left side of the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 08, 2012, 12:40:25 PM
Very nice, thanks a bunch Wildfire.

Hard to say what's going on with this section yet, it's obviously a turn of some sort, but it looks like it's transitioning into a drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 08, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
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I snapped a pic yesterday.  http://m.flickr.com/photos/76980618@N02/7056530415/lightbox/

That picture was a great Easter present!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on April 08, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
So...I need to sit on the left side of the train??  I'll take pics later in the week.  Hope the rain holds off!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 08, 2012, 06:04:42 PM
For some reason I'm unable to view the picture...anybody have any advice for me? Thanks...and Happy Easter to everybody out there....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: orient express on April 08, 2012, 07:31:47 PM
copy and paste the link. then delete to the last number. hit enter. worked for me
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 08, 2012, 07:59:46 PM
thanks for the help...I got it to work...looks like there is great progress being made...over the course of the season, it seems like there will be a lot to see as work is progressing so quickly...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on April 08, 2012, 09:31:22 PM
Thanks for the picture...quite a bit of work since opening day!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 11, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
More pictures please. Someone. Anyone...  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 15, 2012, 04:54:44 PM
It is an absolute travesty that SDC is not keeping its loyal patrons abreast of the progress with this new coaster. Whether they want to keep the name and other specifics under wraps, there is no reason why they cannot and should not be sharing photos and/or webcam access with the public - especially considering so much of it is happening in plain view within the park. Such a shame. Thanks to everyone here who has taken the time to contribute photos and videos to keep us as up to date as possible. At least the Fans are getting it right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on April 15, 2012, 05:13:33 PM
Aw, don't be so harsh! They are building excitement...they want to draw you into visiting next year. The park will release some info toward the end of the year, it is only a few months away. Besides, as the year progresses, we will watch it develop, about the only thing we won't know prior to the official press release is the NAME of the coaster. Besides, it's fun to guess and speculate about everything, ain't it? :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 15, 2012, 07:19:04 PM
I love that they are not sharing any info. That the citizens have a gleam in their eye when ya ask about it! Its pure clean fun. I like seeing development progress and take a stab at whats happening. Its a present that I can savor all year long. :) I am so glad they have not and will not share an iota of what is happening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 15, 2012, 07:34:40 PM
the fact that we don know all the details, just gives us something o look forward to all year...

watching the progress and guessing what is going to happen next.. ;) ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 15, 2012, 08:09:02 PM
Ha! Not tryin' to be harsh. You all are just far too patient.  ;)

I will admit though. Being 4.5 hours from the park doesn't help. If I lived as close as Spingfield, I would probably hit the park every weekend, just to see what's changed over the course of the week.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 15, 2012, 09:30:26 PM
There's still an entire year left to go before this ride opens. They'll release more details when the time is best for the. I absolutely guarantee that if they starting posting photos now their offices would be flooded with people asking when the ride would be open and people whining about it not being done this summer in time for their trip.

I am anxious to see the next round of photos though, whenever they come. There's sure to be a lot of progress since last week given how fast that wood rose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 16, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
I'll be there Saturday, so if nothing else there will be photos next Monday posted.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mfarley on April 18, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
Found this interview with Alan Schilke from IAAPA 2011 --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYwvDhh30aw&feature=player_embedded   

Seems to confirm a ground up coaster with topper track to be built in 2013...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 18, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
^Yup, we talked about that one a few months ago. ;)

Still wondering about what all the emphasis on steel wheels is though, but I imagine it has to do with speed. Everyone complained when Wodan ended up with some sort of composite wheels rather than steel because it is more sluggish than it could be, so maybe speed will be a major emphasis of this ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on April 19, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
Check out "trip reviews" thread! Pintrader and I were both on park today (4/19/12) and got shots from the train of the work on the new roller coaster project. Work is progressing well there! VERY exciting!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 20, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
I took some photos yesterday and the ride is now peaking out over the trees! I sent them in to www.screamscape.com its the very top story you can see the pics there
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 20, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
also I was told that the rumored name for the ride going around the park is Barnstormer! which makes since the ride is just off of Wilson's Farm  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 20, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
hmmm.....Barnstormer is the name of the 'giant swing'  at Dollywood.

That could get confusing for some folks.

I guess we'll see....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 20, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
also I was told that the rumored name for the ride going around the park is Barnstormer! which makes since the ride is just off of Wilson's Farm  ;D
WIth the terrian, I was hoping that it would have a natural looking tunnel/cave element to it. With the rumoured name, a straightaway going through the side of a prop barn would be sweet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 20, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
I think the ride will be an extension of Wilson's farm and have some sort of barn theme, but lets hope the Barnstormer name rumor isn't anything more than a project name or something. They do already own the rights to that name, so I could see the temptation of using it, but man would that be their largest break in theme yet... Sounds like some people might just be getting the park confused with DW again.

Thanks for the new photos everyone. Great to see this thing is turning out to be a monster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 20, 2012, 03:04:13 PM
Ummm I do dare hope they do not name it Barnstormer. What a loser move. Be a bit creative please! I liked the rumored idea with a bull. That was fun. Thanks for all of the photos yall. Good stuff!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 20, 2012, 03:09:30 PM
I dont think they would dare use the Barnstormer name...  They will use something original to SDC>
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 20, 2012, 04:22:58 PM
I call BS on the name. Airplanes were not around in the 1880's and the bi plane was definitely around then. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on April 20, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
With the rumoured name, a straightaway going through the side of a prop barn would be sweet.

Sounds like the Goofy's Barnstormer that was at Disney World.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Lift hill is now formed. Photos later.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 21, 2012, 11:07:50 AM
Now that everything is so visable and undeniable how can they keep guests in suspense? By looking at what is being built it is obvious. Dont get me wrong I like the whole Im not telling deal, but can they keep it up with construction so visable?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
Topper track? I-beam? Pure woodie?
We'll see. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 21, 2012, 04:44:51 PM
Swoosh,

About how tall is the initial lift hill?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2012, 07:07:15 PM
Just above the treeline so far
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 21, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
Any new pics to share???

I know we've touched on this a bit before, but I can't help but wonder if the pace and progress of construction is an indication of it's overall scale (and needing to start this early to ensure its completion by opening day 2013), or SDC just trying to take advantage of good weather. The answer is moot, but it sure is interesting. Never would have dreamed we would see this much going on at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2012, 10:41:39 PM
I still think this was supposed to be the addition for 2012 and something caused it to be delayed so they are building it now for 2013
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2012, 11:20:30 PM
Oh, I'll try to get photos up on MiG tomorrow. Going to bed now, it's been a long day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 22, 2012, 12:22:22 PM
Now that everything is so visable and undeniable how can they keep guests in suspense? By looking at what is being built it is obvious. Dont get me wrong I like the whole Im not telling deal, but can they keep it up with construction so visable?

I think everyone is still in enough suspense at this point. There's no reason to keep everything an absolute secret, they just have to avoid announcing anything too early and disappointing or confusing guests that show up later this year, among other things. We still don't know much about this coaster other than the fact that it's wood and will feature topper track and a few other new features.

Swoosh, why do you think the track type is questionable at this point? I though we had that nailed down pretty well just by following the words out of RMC's mouth in various interviews.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on April 22, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
Any new pics to share???

I know we've touched on this a bit before, but I can't help but wonder if the pace and progress of construction is an indication of it's overall scale (and needing to start this early to ensure its completion by opening day 2013), or SDC just trying to take advantage of good weather. The answer is moot, but it sure is interesting. Never would have dreamed we would see this much going on at this point.

I know I would like to think the reason was the grand scale of the ride, but either way I'm sure they are taking advantage of the wonderful weather. You never know when Ozarks weather will turn nasty. "Make hay while the sun shines," as they say.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2012, 02:26:27 PM
Well I can confirm it will not be a pure woodie. There is brown track on site. No photos as the track is still a "secret"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 22, 2012, 05:29:29 PM
As of today the lift hill is visible from Wildfire and also PowderKeg.  The height of the hill I would estimate at 70 ft as
it closely matched the height of the swing.  ( Ans by that I mean the frame of the swing.)
Interestingly the wood frame does not seem densely placed like wildcat or thunderhead, it is lean on the wood content.
Possibly I am looking at the basic frame and not additional supports that will be added a a later time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 22, 2012, 05:38:34 PM
Very interesting. Where is the lift and to what direction is it oriented? Does it look like it will dive into that valley behind hobo junction like I thought earlier? A 70ft lift + another 50ft or so change in elevation could make for a nice drop, and further elevation drops down the valley could make an interesting layout that gets faster as you go along. The first drop might not even be the largest.

As for the leanness of the frame, the probably have just set up the bents and haven't added all the cross ties yet.

Is the track on site visible from the usual vantage points? I didn't know they were keeping that a secret, but if so I hope we can all agree to follow the park's wishes as best we can. Someone is going to spill the beans pretty quick if it's out there though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 22, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
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Where is the lift and to what direction is it oriented?
Didnt ride the train as I started to feel poorly.  The hill will dive into the valley or come real darm close.  This is really going to push the park out twords the woods.  I am not sure if future plans call for more building out there but it sure seems probable the direction they are going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2012, 07:09:44 PM
I'll post pics tomorrow morning and you can see what he means then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 22, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
I went up on Wildfire and was going to take a second ride so I could secure a photo from that vantage point.
Interestingly you can see the hill from no other place on property other than the tops of the coasters and probably the swing. I am glad they are keeping lines of sight clean and not obstructed with large rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on April 22, 2012, 09:26:55 PM
I went up on Wildfire and was going to take a second ride so I could secure a photo from that vantage point.
Interestingly you can see the hill from no other place on property other than the tops of the coasters and probably the swing. I am glad they are keeping lines of sight clean and not obstructed with large rides.

I'm gonna have to remember that next time I'm there!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Of course you can see it from TGS, you can most of the visible construction from it.

The only part of this ride that will be visible is the station, lift and far turn around. The rest is in the wood and valley.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 23, 2012, 12:46:37 AM
Looks like the ride is now 'RCDB official', not that we needed it to be any more official than watching the lift go up.  ;)
http://rcdb.com/10582.htm

Interesting information about the layout Swoosh. I wonder if that far turn around will be something unique like a hammer head or extreme overbank. They can probably pull it off with special track...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 23, 2012, 07:01:32 AM
Rode the train sunday, and yes shave, there is going to be a big drop into the valley behind HOBO jct..

Lots of wood going up on what appears to the lift hill..

The station appears to have "grown" more concrete since i was there 4 weeks ago..  Lots of progress this last month. No photos from me this time.. (I knew swoosh would have the camera fired up and ready!)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 23, 2012, 09:48:31 AM
Swoosh has posted updated pics on Midwest Info Guide. Hope that lift hill continues to grow vertically. Anyone care to speculate if they think this coaster will wind up with the largest drop in the park?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2012, 09:56:14 AM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/04.21.12/

Photos from Saturday
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 23, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
Nice set of pics swoosh,  I knew you would have some great shots to post......

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 23, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
Anyone care to speculate if they think this coaster will wind up with the largest drop in the park?

I don't think it's out of the question yet. That lift looks like it could be over 100ft when completed, and the valley drop could easily account for another 50ft or more. It only has to beat 155ft, and if this thing is built for speed I could see them trying to do that. This'll be an extreme ride if it really is going to be below the tree line most of the time after a drop that large though. Definitely looking forward to seeing the first airtime hills pop up on this thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 23, 2012, 12:38:59 PM
Is it selfish for me to wish for a drop that tops the 200ft. mark? Don't see it happening, and height certainly is not always an indicator or guarantee for a fantastic ride, but I'm just hoping this thing is a monster in relation to the other coasters SDC already boasts. I would be equally happy if it fits into that category by its length and overall size. Even without releasing any name, artwork, or teaser video(s), that's why I wish HFEC would at least just make a formal announcement/confirmation about the ride's construction, contractor and budget. The money alone would give us a pretty good clue as to how big this coaster will actually be. And obviously if that $12 million number that's been thrown around is shared with the other RMC project, or exclusively for this coaster, it will mean a dramatically different scale of ride in the end.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on April 23, 2012, 01:21:28 PM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/04.21.12/

Photos from Saturday

Thanks for the photos!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 23, 2012, 01:46:39 PM
Swoosh....thanks a ton for the pictures. Looks like things are progressing quickly. Sadly I don' think I'm going to make it to SDC this year, however next year I'm going to be riding the new coaster like crazy. I'm very proud of Herschend for following through with the building of a new coaster....looks like it is going to be pretty good sized...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 23, 2012, 04:05:14 PM
Thank you Swoosh for the pictures.

Looks like they still have a ways to go on the lift though. I based this "obseration" on the width of the bottom structure.....the structure looks to be getting wider which could mean more height and it stays wide for several more feet. Of couse it could just mean there is additional runs of track in that area too, but I'm guessing (hoping) it's going to be for the height of the lift.

There does seem to be an illusion of the lift already starting to crest, but if you look at the installation of the last wood beam, it looks to be attached to the bottom of the cross beam, instead of the same location as the others....I think if it was attached in the same spot, you would see a continual rise between all of the bents.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on April 23, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Good job, Swoosh. They have made progress since I visited Thursday of last week. Seems like they are really moving on this project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 23, 2012, 04:51:03 PM
Anyone have any idea what will or could be going into the large open/cleared area in the last few pic Swoosh shared? based on the captions, I believe this is from the vantage point of Wilson's Farm, presumably in the area where access to the new coaster will begin. This open area looks huge, but without seeing it overhead, I'm confused about it's actual location and size in relation to the current construction and its surroundings. Just wondering if more coaster will be going here, will it become an expansion of Wilson's Farm, etc?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 23, 2012, 05:38:31 PM
^That's the station, queue line area. You can see the station foundations behind the truck.

It is strange that they leveled so much of it though. I don't think any of the actual coaster will go here besides the bit leaving and coming to the station, but the queue will have to be quite large, and they may have other things to throw in such as concessions, bathrooms, and (hopefully not) games.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
The area will be used for the station, a retail place, ODV cart and some BOH buildings.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 23, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
Thanks for the clarification. The area just looks huge even outside of footprints of the station/retail and potential transfer house. Seems like a ton of cleared area just for these buildings a the queue, but definitely hard to get a sense of the actual space without actually being there. Really appreciate the updates and pictures. It's really exciting to see this ride taking shape, and progressing so quickly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
Like I said, there will be at least one BOH structure in the area to help replace the one that was removed.

I should be down again next month.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on April 23, 2012, 08:16:59 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but ODV and BOH stand for what?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2012, 08:46:29 PM
BOH = Back of House.
ODV = Out Door Vendor (cart)

Sorry, I get so used to the jargon that I rattled them off out of habit. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 24, 2012, 08:15:21 AM
Well I can confirm it will not be a pure woodie. There is brown track on site. No photos as the track is still a "secret"

speaking of that. One if the main things I kept hearing from the employees at the park while I was there this past weekend is that this new coaster would have a inversion! Which made me cringe cause I immediately went thinking of SOB and I tend to hate gimmick stuff. However though I do also trust SDC and if they do something of that nature I'm sure they will do it right! But dear god let this be more wood coaster than gimmick!

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 24, 2012, 10:34:43 AM
Agreed. I sincerely hope they are not planning that type of element for this ride. Save the inversions for their steel counterparts. That's where they belong. I would hope and think the innovations RMC can bring to the table with this coaster can stay within their train system and topper track. If they're looking to make a splash or break records with an actual track element, give us drops, banks, airtime, etc. I think coaster enthusiasts would agree that what makes a coaster a great one, is a design that stays true to itself and utilizes a great design and accompanying terrain to accentuate the ride. I know they'll get it right with this coaster, regardless of the end result.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 24, 2012, 11:01:47 AM
Agreed. I sincerely hope they are not planning that type of element for this ride. Save the inversions for their steel counterparts. That's where they belong. I would hope and think the innovations RMC can bring to the table with this coaster can stay within their train system and topper track. If they're looking to make a splash or break records with an actual track element, give us drops, banks, airtime, etc. I think coaster enthusiasts would agree that what makes a coaster a great one, is a design that stays true to itself and utilizes a great design and accompanying terrain to accentuate the ride. I know they'll get it right with this coaster, regardless of the end result.

This coaster seems like an out and back type and if it has an inversion that will give them something to really hype but I'll not only pine for my spinniner but a tight twister type woody without going upside down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 24, 2012, 12:58:44 PM
Wish we could somehow get an aerial view to get a better sense for the potential layout of this thing. I am relieved that it seems they'll be taking full advantage of the woods, rather than simply clearing one expansive area and placing a coaster on it.

On a totally separate note, can someone please tell me what type of ride/feel we can expect from a steel wheeled coaster on steel topper track?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 24, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
On the RCBD link that Shave posted the other day with the information on the coaster it shows that there are 0 inversions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on April 24, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Swoosh.

If I'm understanding this right it is an expansion of Wilson's Farm along the lines of Wildfire (but with a few more options) and not a whole new park "area".
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on April 25, 2012, 12:53:19 AM
No one here really knows if this will or will not have an Inversion taking note from the Unknown status of the RCDB Entry at http://www.rcdb.com/10582.htm . But it seems very likely from not seeing any footer shots suggesting an inversion structure it will not have an Inversion. Remember the Son of Beast had a large tubular steel structure with deep footers supporting it's loop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 25, 2012, 01:58:04 AM
Interesting that an inversion was mentioned by employees. It doesn't seem like that would be something they would be talking about without a hint of truth behind there somewhere to start the rumor, but who knows. I think they certainly have the ability to pull it off at this point, and they no longer need a huge tubular steel structure like SOB with the new track. It's just a matter of whether the park would actually spring for it, and there's certainly room for arguments on both sides as SDC is both conservative and daring with their coasters, and wants to cater to thrill seekers with this ride but also may want to stay clear of inversions to appeal to everyone.

I'm not going to place any bets on it having an inversion, but I do think it will have some turns that will go beyond 90 degrees at the very least. There may be some kind of crazy element that they market heavily to show off the new track.

And yes it is an expansion of Wilson's Barnyard, that much is for certain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 25, 2012, 07:47:49 AM
Interesting that an inversion was mentioned by employees. It doesn't seem like that would be something they would be talking about without a hint of truth behind there somewhere to start the rumor, but who knows. I think they certainly have the ability to pull it off at this point, and they no longer need a huge tubular steel structure like SOB with the new track. It's just a matter of whether the park would actually spring for it, and there's certainly room for arguments on both sides as SDC is both conservative and daring with their coasters, and wants to cater to thrill seekers with this ride but also may want to stay clear of inversions to appeal to everyone.

I'm not going to place any bets on it having an inversion, but I do think it will have some turns that will go beyond 90 degrees at the very least. There may be some kind of crazy element that they market heavily to show off the new track.

And yes it is an expansion of Wilson's Barnyard, that much is for certain.

And now according to a report in screamscape it's mostly out and back with some twister elements. Also Dollywood rumors have started with DW management having their own ideas they want to work with RMRC about making.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 25, 2012, 08:21:10 AM
Fact is that until we actually see a official layout none of us really know. Only thing we do know for certain is that it will have a lift hill. lol So I went back and I had completely forgotten about the Bull wooden coaster concept they sent out a year or two back. So what do you all think? Will this be the direction they go in with the theme of this ride? I personally have mixed emotions about the idea.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 25, 2012, 09:21:29 AM
I believe it will. Just based off of previous concept descriptions and the actual rides that followed, I think the rides have generally been pretty consistent with their concept write-ups. Powder Keg was dead on, with the exception of a 200 ft. drop that was mentioned. RB, while not a thrill ride, was built almost to the letter of its description.

Like GE, I've never really been a fan of the Wilson's Farm area, as it doesn't feel true to the rest of the park. That said, I too have mixed feelings about the potential name, but as long as the ride shines, I guess it's name is relatively moot. The concept description for "The Bull" didn't disclose much other than speeding through the woods, the train snorting steam from its nose as it climbs the lift hill, and possible tunnels being punched into the ground with its horns.

More than anything, I just hope this coaster goes much deeper into the woods than it appears to be at this point. Unfortunately, there's really no way of truly knowing without someone getting an overhead shot of the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on April 25, 2012, 11:14:51 AM
I think a very simple thing to do to make Wilson's Farm fit in better would be to weather the barn a bit. As it is, it's just such a vibrant red that it doesn't really fit with the "distressed" look of the rest of the park. Like, I'm really loving how River Blast is looking. It's gotten weathered and it fits in so well now with the rest of the park.

So, I'm hoping the ride building for the coaster will have maybe a more brown or wooden look.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 25, 2012, 12:03:12 PM
Agreed. You can bet this coaster will look new for a while, but with time, it's going to blend in nicely. I would guess with a similar look to that of TNT.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 25, 2012, 12:10:49 PM
And now according to a report in screamscape it's mostly out and back with some twister elements. Also Dollywood rumors have started with DW management having their own ideas they want to work with RMRC about making.

Remember that Screamscape is not an authority on theme park news. It's run by one guy who posts pretty much anything he hears about, sometimes even if it's only enthusiast chatter. I mean, from what we've seen so far it definitely looks more or less like a slightly twisted out-and-back, but I wouldn't say it's confirmed yet.

As for the theme, I still do think they'll do something along the lines of the bull theme, but  hopefully with a better name and backstory. The theming elements they described sound awesome and it would fit the park well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 25, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
I believe Thunderhead is HFEC's largest wooden coaster. And while it was a completely different designer, I'm interested to see how this new coaster will compare both in scale and quality. I would love our coaster combine similar banking and twisting elements to that of Thunderhead, but with at least the height, scale and speed of something like The Boss at SFSTL. Is it unfair or unrealistic to hope and expect a Top 10 woodie (if it qualifies) or #1 hybrid coaster ranking from this ride?

Thunderhead @ Dollywood
by GCI circa 2004
Type: Wooden
Cost: $7 million
Largest Drop: 100ft.
Features: 22 turns, 32 crossovers, station fly by)
Length: 3,230ft.
Top Speed: 55mph

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Thunderhead6.jpg)


The Boss @ Six Flags St. Louis
by CCI circa 2000
Type: Wooden "Terrain Twister"
Cost: ?
Largest Drop: 150ft.
Features: Drops of 150, 112, 103 & 72ft. + 570 degree helix
Length: 5,051ft
Top Speed: 66.3mph

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Picture34.png)


Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on April 25, 2012, 02:50:07 PM
I believe Thunderhead is HFEC's largest wooden coaster. And while it was a completely different designer, I'm interested to see how this new coaster will compare both in scale and quality. I would love our coaster combine similar banking and twisting elements to that of Thunderhead, but with at least the height, scale and speed of something like The Boss at SFSTL. Is it unfair or unrealistic to hope and expect a Top 10 woodie (if it qualifies) or #1 hybrid coaster ranking from this ride?

Thunderhead @ Dollywood
by GCI circa 2004
Type: Wooden
Cost: $7 million
Largest Drop: 100ft.
Features: 22 turns, 32 crossovers, station fly by)
Length: 3,230ft.
Top Speed: 55mph

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Thunderhead6.jpg)


The Boss @ Six Flags St. Louis
by CCI circa 2000
Type: Wooden "Terrain Twister"
Cost: ?
Largest Drop: 150ft.
Features: Drops of 150, 112, 103 & 72ft. + 570 degree helix
Length: 5,051ft
Top Speed: 66.3mph

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Picture34.png)




Just thought you might like to know,
those are my two favorite woodies!!!!! ;D
(that are alive today; my favorite was OzCat)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 25, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
Just because I can....

HFEC Wooden Coasters
(Length)
1. Twister II 4640'
2. Predator 3400'
3. Thunderhead 3230'
4. Cheetah 2640'
5. Ozark Wildcat 2613' (SBNO)

(Height)
1. Twister II 100'
1. Thunderhead 100'
3. Predator 95'
4. Cheetah 92'
5. Ozark Wildcat 84' (SBNO)

Missouri Wooden Coasters
(Length)
1. The Boss 5051'
2. Timber Wolf 4230'
3. Screamin' Eagle 3827'
4. Prowler 3074'
5. American Thunder (Evel Knievel) 2713'
6. Ozark Wildcat 2613' (SBNO)

(Height)
1. The Boss 122'
2. Screamin' Eagle 110'
3. Prowler 102'
4. Timber Wolf 100'
5. Ozark Wildcat 84' (SBNO)
6. American Thunder (Evel Knievel) 82'
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 25, 2012, 04:21:28 PM
Surprisingly I haven't even looked at the stats of the other Missouri coasters yet with any real scrutiny. Looks like this will easily be the largest wooden coaster in the state in terms of height and maybe in length as well. I don't think it will quite beat Mamba's 205ft drop, but it will be interesting to see if it ends up as the second or third largest coaster in the state. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 25, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
So is this new coaster supposed to be bigger than OzCat? I guess I haven't seen any numbers as far as size goes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 25, 2012, 09:30:58 PM
That info cannot be released at this time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 26, 2012, 12:44:07 AM
I'm just assuming it will feature a huge drop at this point. Like I said earlier, it could utilize the terrain to get a larger drop than even WF, but I haven't even seen where the base of the drop is going yet. Even with a drop in the 100ft range this could be a beast, since the course can go lower as it goes down the valley. I just feel like all the emphasis the RMC guy put on speed and steel wheels in the earlier interview means that this will be a tall, fast sucker.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 26, 2012, 06:35:10 AM
Shave, as we mentioned before, the drop will go down into the valley between HOBO JCT. and the maint. area. The footings are alreay in place.

it is quite aways to the bottom of that ravine, if they mount it close to the ground like they did TNT........ And any kind of a lift hill, that will easily be over 100 ft drop, and as we were speculating the other day, I dont think over 130-135 is out of the question...

It will be awesome for all you coaster riders..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 26, 2012, 06:58:56 AM
Someone rent a helicopter already and get some aerial shots! LoL I feel like this board should plan a opening day meet up!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 26, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
I can promise you if I was going down for a weekend, I would book the Branson helicopter tour and specifically request a SDC flyover.

Zephon, any chance you might be able to give us any insights as to the layout of this coaster and possibly how far back it will reach into the woods? Perhaps a picture or two from a vantage point regular patrons cannot see from the train?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 26, 2012, 04:33:10 PM
Yall that would be great to see something so amazing as a 100+ foot drop. But I have a feeling the line is not going to be anything less than 1000000000+ miles long. Sigh. I cant wait for the official SDCFans private park day..... ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 26, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
You're probably right, but the way I look at it is at least that will mean significantly less waiting on PK and WF.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 26, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
Don't count on it.  I would expect all of the lines will be longer
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 26, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
Don't count on it.  I would expect all of the lines will be longer

So, are you saying this ride will pull in folks that otherwise wouldn't bother with the park? You see the drawing power lasting once the introductory season is done. They are going to need some smaller stuff to help disperse the crowd a bit. How bout my themed out, tricked out Mack Spinner. ;D

Seems the City has convinced itself that rides will maintain the viability of the Park in the future. I know lots of folks here in NWA getting season passes for the first time this year and no one I've talked to dropped them either. Planners in NWA expect that the population to grow another 20 to 30 percent by 2030. That's basically SDC's backyard.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 26, 2012, 09:41:55 PM
You build a new coaster, you will have more thrillseekers come to the park...at least for the year it is introduced.  They won't care about the shows, they're there to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on April 26, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Technical question: I don't know anything about coaster construction, other than the obvious stuff (woodie v. steel, inverted, etc.). What is an "overtopper track", if that's the right term?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 26, 2012, 10:44:19 PM
KBCraig: This is topper track: vhttp://parkthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Screen-shot-2011-03-09-at-10.12.13-PM-e1299737604172.png

It's a heavier, more uniform steel rail that sits on the wood. There's also I-beam track that is basically what it sounds like and is just I-beam-looking track that sits on a wooden support system. I still think this will be a topper track coaster based on what was said in the interviews and articles.



Hopefully we get a new set of photos to look at this weekend. I feel like we're beginning to talk in circles here, plus the lift is probably peaked out by now.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on April 26, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
BIT9 and others-
I'm sorry, but I will be of no help on this one.  The construction zone is now off-limits to anyone not connected with the construction crew.  The pictures I posted last winter were basically from the service road that leads past the roundhouse to the Opera House, but we can't even walk that road to our work sites anymore.  I don't know about employees talking about an inversion either...I've not heard that, and I wouldn't bet on it.  You all know as much and more than I do at this point.  I'm enjoying your speculations though. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 26, 2012, 11:55:39 PM
here's a good link for topper track.

http://www.rockymtnconstruction.com/ttdemo.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 27, 2012, 07:14:57 AM
Now one of the few things we apparently know is that this ride will use RMCC topper track. Now I have never experienced their topper track. Could anyone fill me in on how it rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on April 27, 2012, 07:17:48 AM
I'm going to be there tomorrow. I will be sure to take a ride on the train ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 27, 2012, 07:36:50 AM
I'm going to be there tomorrow. I will be sure to take a ride on the train ;)

Try to get pics of the Valley, it will be on your left side after you pass the Hobo Junction,  You may be able to see it, when they "change" engineers...

If you get pics , please post them. Shave has yet to see the valley with the footings in it.. thanks

OH YEA!!!  Have a great visit!.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2012, 12:51:33 PM
With the trees all "leafed" out now, it is impossible to get a good shot of the valley.  Believe me, I tried.  You can see it, but you can photograph them from a moving vehicle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 27, 2012, 01:03:06 PM
Dern tree growth. Ruining the surprise for us nosey roseys. I cant WAIT to see the new ride!! Do yall think it will be done by christmas and ready to open next year? Or will they work on it through the cold cold winter months?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 27, 2012, 01:47:23 PM
I for one hope it takes until next March to complete this one. That would surely mean a bigger ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 27, 2012, 02:47:46 PM
Vertical construction will be complete by the end of summer I'm sure. Even big coasters only take a few months for major construction.

Word from chadster on TPR is that there is Topper Track being installed on the lift as we speak.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2012, 03:56:59 PM
I-beam or topper?  I find it hard to believe if topper. It only replaces the top few layers of wood laminate and that takes time to lay。
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on April 27, 2012, 10:03:29 PM
This is the view of the new coaster from McDonalds. In one picture Powderkeg is on the far right and the new coaster is on the far left. In the other picture there is a close up of the coaster. (Its a little blurry but its the best i could do from so far away)... More pictures to come once the weekend is over

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26634754@N07/6974147772/in/photostream/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
You have the photo set to private.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on April 27, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Sorry bout that! Fixed it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 27, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Very neat, thanks for the photo. I never really noticed how big the skyline is getting from that angle, even though I always see it driving by.

The lift might not reach 100ft, but man, look how deep that valley gets. This thing is bound to be one of the most incredible rides in the country with this terrain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on April 27, 2012, 10:34:16 PM
The view of the valley is perfect from where McDonalds is!

I think the lift on the coaster still has a ways to go though. It doesn't look like it's reaching the peak yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2012, 11:14:19 PM
Is this Branson West?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on April 28, 2012, 12:29:27 AM
Yep!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 28, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
very nice, i very seldom get to branson west.. i had no idea SDC was in view from there.

thanks for the pic.. that will be an interesting view as project continues... keep 'em comin.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 28, 2012, 09:45:17 AM
I have stayed in Branson west before at a small hotel. Frankly its the most convenient to acessing SDC as all the traffic is coming from the other direction.  I hadn't noticed the view however.  It doesn't look to me like that has topped out yet.
Pretty exciting looking from that angle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on April 28, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
When my family goes to Branson we almost always stay in a hotel in Branson West and just drive into Branson!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 28, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
I heart Branson West. It makes me happy. Thanks for the pics CJFoot. I am super excited for 2013
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on April 28, 2012, 12:58:39 PM
Here are a couple pics from giant swing.  Getting ready to ride train. More to come.  http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/76980618@N02/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on April 28, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Your photos are not available to public viewing.... :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 28, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
I-beam or topper?  I find it hard to believe if topper. It only replaces the top few layers of wood laminate and that takes time to lay。

Swoosh, definately topper track. You can see some pretty detailed pictures of it over on TPR in the SDC thread.

Also in that thread you can see a bunch of footers waiting to be installed.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on April 28, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
It says on my frickr that anyone can view them.  I have several more to upload but my phone battery is getting low
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 28, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
I can view the photos. Thanks for posting them.

This thread on TPR has a good shot of the track going into place: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1174278#p1174278

It's definitely sitting on prefab beams instead of traditional track. A lot of this project has utilized prefab methods.

The lift will probably top out this weekend, then by next week we might even see track all the way to the top. That first drop can't be far behind.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on April 28, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
I posted the rest of them to my flickr. http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/76980618@N02/   It was hard to get good ones of the valley, but I could tell it looks like there will be a pretty sweet turn by hobo junction and possibly circling back towards the valley.  Footers are everywhere.  Much more than when I was there 3 weeks ago.  The lift appears to me to be at least 80 feet and not topped out yet.  It looks to be for sure dropping into the valley.  This could potentially be a huge drop for a woodie.  I am getting really excited about this baby as it appears like it is really going to be wild.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on April 28, 2012, 11:02:18 PM
I had difficulties seeing the pics up close, then I realized you'd linked to the mobile version of your photostream. For anyone wanting to get a closer look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/76980618@N02/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 29, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
Wow Looks Great! I Imagine a sign of some sort will go up within the next week or two saying somthing like excuse our mess. Something! I've booked a condo for Moonlight Maddness already I can't wait to see how this thing is looking by then. Lets hope someone rents a helecopter soon! LoL
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 29, 2012, 03:58:27 PM
yep! thats what it looked like when i was there last week!  GREAT pics,  Nice to see progress week to week, I wont be back until memorial weekend. Should be topped out and other work going on by then ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Polley on April 30, 2012, 10:13:01 AM
Well this ride appares to be going up relatively quick for a 2013 opening date. I hope that means there will be a lot of attention to theme elements which will help make this ride/area another SDC staple.

That said, I have two initial complaints about this development:




Still, I'm very excited for the addition and I hope for great things!

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on April 30, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
Here is the view of it from Wilson's Farm.

(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z436/tiffanylynnt1/153.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 30, 2012, 12:23:41 PM
Wooo looking good hurry up 2013

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 30, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
From that angle, it definitely looks like the lift hill has not reached its zenith point yet. Any guesses why they got this initial portion of the lift hill up so quickly and haven't added more to it? Obviously there is still construction going on around other parts of the project, just seem weird that it appears they were going gangbusters on the lift in a matter of days and doesn't look like they've done anything to it since...other than adding the small piece of topper track. I want to see this baby getting taller.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on May 01, 2012, 10:34:53 PM
Well my guess is as good as anyones, but I would think it is because of the train.  They can't do construction near the tracks while the park is open so my guess is that before the operating season becomes everyday of the week, they will try and get the section that crosses over done.  Because the rest of the ride looks like it will be behind trees and such so they could build that whenever. But who knows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 01, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
You're probably right, but the way I look at it is at least that will mean significantly less waiting on PK and WF.
I think it's great for crowd control, I agree with you.  Four coasters sans FITH can't have all people in one line.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 02, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
What happened to the old caboose that was in between the train tracks just past the farm again? I feel like we talked about it before, but I don't remember when/where. It was a different style of caboose, I'm not even sure if it was from the 1880's, and it was never really on display for some reason - it was just always there.

I'm also wondering if they'll do anything with the ex-hobo junction caboose or if they'll just leave it there to rot away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on May 02, 2012, 02:26:42 PM
I found this GIS map and was able to annotate it with 10 foot contours. With that said, it looks like the old robber's shack (coaster station) elevation was around 1290 feet. Just my gestimate, but I think the bottom of the drop might end up close to the 1220 contour.....which is 70 feet in elevation difference. Add that to the current height of the lift (about 70 feet) you are already looking at a pretty signficant drop....and they haven't topped out the lift yet.

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/SDCTopo.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 05, 2012, 02:12:38 PM
Anyone in the city this weekend? If so, please hop on the train, snap a few pics and post them. Anxious to see the last week's progress.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 06, 2012, 03:34:47 AM
Doesn't look like anyone took photos this weekend that I've seen yet, but I did hear that the lift is now noticeably taller than PK's overbank as of last Thursday.

It's definitely going to be a killer drop. Awesome job on that topo-overlay cowboy. I'm surprised I didn't think to do that myself, seeing as I'm a CivE student and I just got done doing a final project that involved building a topographic overlay of a job site.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 06, 2012, 08:52:10 AM
Doesn't look like anyone took photos this weekend that I've seen yet, but I did hear that the lift is now noticeably taller than PK's overbank as of last Thursday.

It's definitely going to be a killer drop. Awesome job on that topo-overlay cowboy. I'm surprised I didn't think to do that myself, seeing as I'm a CivE student and I just got done doing a final project that involved building a topographic overlay of a job site.

I remember being a marketing major with two CivE major roommates. I had much more fun ;D

I maybe going to the City two Sundays from now, if a picture hasn't surfaced by then, I'll try to get one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
 I'll be there sometime for BBQ Fest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on May 07, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
I heard a little bit of news today that ought to tickle your fancy...the "drop" on the new coaster will be a little over 160 feet at an incline (decline?) of about 81 degrees.  That should make for an awesome thrill!  I walked by the loading station area yesterday (the crews were not working so it was allowed) and got to see some of the structure rising from the station...my lands, it's getting up there!  I hadn't seen any of the construction since early in the spring.  Sorry, I didn't take a picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 07, 2012, 09:01:17 PM
I heard a little bit of news today that ought to tickle your fancy...the "drop" on the new coaster will be a little over 160 feet at an incline (decline?) of about 81 degrees.  That should make for an awesome thrill!  I walked by the loading station area yesterday (the crews were not working so it was allowed) and got to see some of the structure rising from the station...my lands, it's getting up there!  I hadn't seen any of the construction since early in the spring.  Sorry, I didn't take a picture.

This is exactly what I have been wanting to hear since RMC was announced for this project. Wow, so happy... don't want to get too excited though, we need to acknowledge that without official confirmation (which is still months away) everything is still rumors at this point.

So basically, if that holds true, we're getting a slightly TALLER and STEEPER version of this: (http://cache.rcdb.com/0a3o23s3dg56k07m40001r.jpg)

Throw in some awesome airtime hills and terrain hugging curves and this has the potential to end up as the top wooden/hybrid/whatever in the world.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 07, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
oh my :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 07, 2012, 10:05:47 PM
That is beautifully juicy news..............And Swoosh said that news couldn't be released yet  !!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 08, 2012, 04:40:36 AM
NICE!!!   You coaster riders should love that! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 08, 2012, 06:59:33 AM
NICE!!!   You coaster riders should love that! ;D

And it still hasn't.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on May 08, 2012, 07:25:32 AM
That's correct, Swoosh. At this point you'd have to call that information "hearsay" since it didn't come from someone "official".
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 08, 2012, 09:55:58 AM
I heard a little bit of news today that ought to tickle your fancy...the "drop" on the new coaster will be a little over 160 feet at an incline (decline?) of about 81 degrees.  That should make for an awesome thrill!  I walked by the loading station area yesterday (the crews were not working so it was allowed) and got to see some of the structure rising from the station...my lands, it's getting up there!  I hadn't seen any of the construction since early in the spring.  Sorry, I didn't take a picture.

This is exactly what I have been wanting to hear since RMC was announced for this project. Wow, so happy... don't want to get too excited though, we need to acknowledge that without official confirmation (which is still months away) everything is still rumors at this point.

Throw in some awesome airtime hills and terrain hugging curves and this has the potential to end up as the top wooden/hybrid/whatever in the world.

If this holds true and I'm not mistaken, that would make this the steepest wooden coaster in the world, with one of the three largest drops of any wooden coaster in the world. And Swoosh you said this wouldn't be a record breaker. Certainly seems like this one could be flirting with that idea.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 08, 2012, 10:08:42 AM
There are only 7 wooden coasters over 160 feet and one of those is no longer operational (SOB)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 08, 2012, 10:16:28 AM
El toro is the only operational one with a drop over 160
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 08, 2012, 09:06:18 PM
If i knew how to post pictures on here i would put some up from this weekend!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on May 08, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Just create a Flickr account and post a link to the pictures on this forum
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 09, 2012, 08:01:20 AM
That is some great news! Now I just hope it holds true. Im going up.again in June Ill def take some pictures! Right now though I'm just dying to know what's going on father back in the Woods! :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 09, 2012, 08:03:43 AM
Someone should pull the cord while someone else unobtrusivly sneaks off into the woods to snap secret pictures of the progress
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 09, 2012, 09:30:13 AM
If i knew how to post pictures on here i would put some up from this weekend!

Do they show more than the pics that Swoosh has at his site and ones linked on this thread?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on May 09, 2012, 05:27:58 PM
Holy smokes! 160 feet at 81 degrees is a big drop for any coaster, very impressive for a woodie!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 09, 2012, 08:52:23 PM
Just remember nothing is offi :)cial till the park says so
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on May 10, 2012, 04:47:59 PM
As much as I approve this ride, I find it to be wayyy out of line for Silver Dollar City. Definitely something intensifying and extreme. At least it's bringing those white-knucklers to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2012, 11:44:05 PM
Rumored name is a bunch of.... well, bull.  All shall be revealed soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 11, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
Here's hoping they go all out with the theming and really round out the barnyard area. The concept pitch had them doing a tunnel or two, which I would love to see. I wish some of the recent names weren't so generic, but as long as they pull through with immersive theming like they have been then I'll look past it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 11, 2012, 07:52:41 AM
The Barnyard Rampage

Toro the Bull hasn't been pulling is weight  performing his vital services with the lady cows and Farmer Wilson is none too pleased. Toro overhears a conversation in the barn that Farmer Wilson is having with a friend about replacing Toro with a younger bull and making T Bones out of Toro. Well doggies, this sends Toronto into a snit.  Hang on as you try to help corral Toro as he rips through the woods on a daring escape and if you make it back , enjoy a freshly ground burger.

Ride sponsored by Five Guys
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on May 11, 2012, 09:38:38 AM
YES!!!
Thanks for posting Swoosh.

I really like the name, it's fitting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 11, 2012, 09:42:08 AM
The Outlaw.....sounds fun!! Whoooo! I wonder if they will incorporate the Bowlin Brothers in it somehow.....them being notorious outlaws and all....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on May 11, 2012, 10:06:09 AM
Thanks, Swoosh! I'm looking forward to the back-story on this one. The city is going to be full of outlaws now: the Bowlin brothers, the Gumbo gang out on TNT, and whatever/whoever in the farm area...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 11, 2012, 10:58:14 AM
Very interesting. There are a lot of ways they could make this theme awesome by tying in the Baldknobbers, Bowlin Brothers, etc. It's definitely not what I was expecting, but it's fitting that this theme should be used on the site of the old train robbery.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on May 11, 2012, 11:17:51 AM
Hm, interesting!

Well, if you are going to have a train robbery, you might as well have it next to The Outlaw rollercoaster. I am curious now to see how the rollercoaster's loading station theme will turn out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on May 11, 2012, 11:29:25 AM
It's definitely not what I was expecting, but it's fitting that this theme should be used on the site of the old train robbery.

I didn't even think of that. Very fitting indeed. I will not cry, I will not cry...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 11, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
Now that's awesome I love it! I'm getting more and more excited about this ride!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 11, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
Hm, interesting!

Well, if you are going to have a train robbery, you might as well have it next to The Outlaw rollercoaster. I am curious now to see how the rollercoaster's loading station theme will turn out.

A Bank?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on May 11, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
The only problem I have is that I thought this ride was going to be part of Wilson's Farm and "The Outlaw" definitely doesn't fit the farm theme....

The only logical way that i think this could be pulled off is if they created a whole new area that you didn't enter by going through Wilson's Farm
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 11, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
I don't remember HFEC ever saying this was expansion to the farm.  Now a lot of you guys did and it was taken as fact.  You will enter this area by going through the farm.  That has been confirmed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on May 11, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
As much as I approve this ride, I find it to be wayyy out of line for Silver Dollar City. Definitely something intensifying and extreme. At least it's bringing those white-knucklers to the park.

I'm not sure I understand. A big woodie is a much more natural fit for the park's theme than any of their steel coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 11, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
As much as I approve this ride, I find it to be wayyy out of line for Silver Dollar City. Definitely something intensifying and extreme. At least it's bringing those white-knucklers to the park.

I'm not sure I understand. A big woodie is a much more natural fit for the park's theme than any of their steel coasters.

Yea! KB>>  didnt quite get that one?? ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 11, 2012, 09:32:32 PM
Please tell me someone will be in the City this weekend and can post some updated pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 11, 2012, 10:48:21 PM
If you look under the trip report thread there is a link to my flickr site with some new photos of the roller coaster project. (Trip May 11, 2012) I think that this project is going to be much bigger than we all expected, something we can all look forward to next season!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 11, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Link to Junior's photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan/7179167314/in/photostream/

Looks like the station is already going up, and the lift has to be mostly done. I think this thing could be done by the end of July.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on May 12, 2012, 12:39:40 AM
I am wondering if the Outlaw name will stick or not since the Nearby Adventureland park just outside Des Moines, IA already has a wooden roller coaster called "Outlaw". Being how close the 2 parks are I am wondering if the name will be able to stick or not. It doesn't appear that Adventureland had the name registered as a Trademark as I can tell. I know that Six Flags did at one time register the name "Outlaw" as a Ride in 1990 (Trademark Serial #74094045 Dir Link: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=74094045 ) but it was not a successful registration or it was ABANDONED. Since HFEC did register the name as "The Outlaw" instead of "Outlaw" it might not cause a problem, but we shall see. Just remember the Trademark Serial #85551115 for "The Outlaw". A direct link to the Trademark entry is here: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85551115 You can keep up on the status of the mark on that page.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 12, 2012, 12:09:25 PM
The Outlaw is not the same as Outlaw when it comes to trademarking.  This is how WOF was able to trademark The Patriot even though a coaster already existed called Patriot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 12, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
Quote
The Outlaw is not the same as Outlaw when it comes to trademarking. 
But it sure doesnt fool anyone into thinking SDC is being very unique with their names does it........
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 12, 2012, 05:29:02 PM
How 'bout "Revenge of the Bolin Brothers?" or "The Baldknobber" or "This is where the 1st Robber's Shack was but they tore it down and now this rollercoaster is here?" Maybe "Hobo Junction Express."
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 12, 2012, 06:15:46 PM
Quote
The Outlaw is not the same as Outlaw when it comes to trademarking. 
But it sure doesnt fool anyone into thinking SDC is being very unique with their names does it........

I still like the name and concept better than "The Bull".  But I still would have rode it even if it was the Bull.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 12, 2012, 07:04:17 PM
Quote
The Outlaw is not the same as Outlaw when it comes to trademarking. 
But it sure doesnt fool anyone into thinking SDC is being very unique with their names does it........

The only ones that will have an issue are the enthuiASSes.  Most if not all of their market guests have never heard of Adventureland and/or care they have a wooden coaster by the same name. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 12, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Totally agree. And I'm totally happy they went down this road rather than something like The Bull. It's true to the theme of the park. Any new pictures to share, anyone???? :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 12, 2012, 08:48:25 PM
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enthuiASSes
Ouch, that was clever...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 12, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
They could have called it The Boar or Wild Boar. Ain't nothing( other than a bear or rattler) that's  more hair raising than coming across one out in the Ozarks and it's all pee'd off. Best have your 45 handy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 12, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
How 'bout "Revenge of the Bolin Brothers?" or "The Baldknobber" or "This is where the 1st Robber's Shack was but they tore it down and now this rollercoaster is here?" Maybe "Hobo Junction Express."
I like "The Baldknobber" keeps history of the park alive.  The third choice is bittersweetly humorous  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 13, 2012, 07:11:58 AM
If you think about it, it's a departure for SDC

Fire in the Hole
Thunderation
Wildfire
PowderKeg

All  have a Fire or Boom element to their name

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 13, 2012, 07:37:13 AM
I can give you several alternative naming options that would be original and interesting. Problem is, nothing is ever going to please everyone.

I'm just thrilled we're finally getting the long awaited woodie this park has always needed and deserved. And all indications are HFEC is doing it right – starting with the name/theme.

Embrace it, folks. This is going to be a fantastic ride and addition to SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 13, 2012, 08:50:04 AM
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The Boar or Wild Boar

That is a fun idea!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 13, 2012, 08:55:42 AM
I honestly do not care about the name as long as the theme is outta this world and the ride is amazing! I am not there for the name I am there for the thrills....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on May 13, 2012, 09:15:09 AM
How 'bout "Revenge of the Bolin Brothers?" or "The Baldknobber" or "This is where the 1st Robber's Shack was but they tore it down and now this rollercoaster is here?" Maybe "Hobo Junction Express."

I like the last one :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 13, 2012, 09:16:03 AM
If you think about it, it's a departure for SDC

Fire in the Hole
Thunderation
Wildfire
PowderKeg

All  have a Fire or Boom element to their name



I am in agreement with chittlins on the name decison..
Big coasters are  all themed named after fire and explosions..... sooo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  why would the vary from that? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 13, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
True be told I will critique the name they gave as generic but will hold off on making any judgement on the coaster until it gets here.
The wild boar does sound like a crazy idea that could be a lot of fun! 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 13, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
Quote
The Boar or Wild Boar

That is a fun idea!

Already been used at Canada's Wonderland
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 13, 2012, 04:26:42 PM
I've gotten used to the generic names at SDC at this point. It's kind of sad since they used to be at least somewhat more imaginative, but with the right theming it doesn't really matter. If I don't see some baldknobber or bowlin brother theming though, I will be severely disappointed.

Anyone planning on going anytime soon to get updated photos? Sounds like the drop could be starting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 13, 2012, 04:42:35 PM
I've gotten used to the generic names at SDC at this point. It's kind of sad since they used to be at least somewhat more imaginative, but with the right theming it doesn't really matter. If I don't see some baldknobber or bowlin brother theming though, I will be severely disappointed.

Anyone planning on going anytime soon to get updated photos? Sounds like the drop could be starting.

We'll be there next weekend- I'll try to get some photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 13, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
be there in 2weeks..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on May 13, 2012, 07:50:21 PM
I like Junior's idea with "The Baldknobber". Too bad Outlaw has already been almost confirmed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 13, 2012, 08:50:27 PM
 Who cares what that Canucks name their stuff, that's a foriegn country.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 13, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Nobody would "get it" if it were called the Baldknobber. They're going for broad appeal here - something people will hear and realize that it must be a big bad coaster. It think it's a little lame that they chose the same name as another wood coaster in the same state though. They could have chosen a derivative such as bandit, or expanded the name with an adjective or something so it would be the ____ Outlaw.

I'm just wondering what the status is on that tunnel/flythrough that was mentioned in the bull concept.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 13, 2012, 09:03:02 PM
Already a coaster named The Bandit as well. Honestly, the name means very little. You could call it "The World's Worst Roller Coaster" and people would still ride it. They will do plenty to promote it and with social media the way it is, there's no way it won't get it's due...if it's deserving.

Never imagined so many people would get so worked up over a ride name. And it's not like it's a bad one either. You want vanilla for a new coaster name? Look no further than Wild Eagle and Dollywood. And by all accounts, it sounds like it's a great ride. So who gives a rip about what it's called?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 13, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
It's a woody and in a little nod to an old long gone park, it could have been The Brain Rattler.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 13, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
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The Boar or Wild Boar

That is a fun idea!

Already been used at Canada's Wonderland

True, but at least that's more that 800 miles and a country's boarder away........
As I said, it will be a fun ride, I do hope they have something in store for us that will set it apart from
other woodies.  Tunnels are nice as well as the overbanks, I am looking forward to surveying the progress next Sunday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on May 13, 2012, 10:46:44 PM
It think it's a little lame that they chose the same name as another wood coaster in the same state though. They could have chosen a derivative such as bandit, or expanded the name with an adjective or something so it would be the ____ Outlaw.

Isn't Adventureland in Iowa?

Also there are a bunch of coasters that share the same name. it will all be fine.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 14, 2012, 04:42:07 AM
Already a coaster named The Bandit as well. Honestly, the name means very little. You could call it "The World's Worst Roller Coaster" and people would still ride it. They will do plenty to promote it and with social media the way it is, there's no way it won't get it's due...if it's deserving.

Never imagined so many people would get so worked up over a ride name. And it's not like it's a bad one either. You want vanilla for a new coaster name? Look no further than Wild Eagle and Dollywood. And by all accounts, it sounds like it's a great ride. So who gives a rip about what it's called?
Amen!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 14, 2012, 04:50:39 PM
^^Ah, I forgot it was in Iowa. For the longest time I thought it was in Northern MO for some reason. Makes me feel better about it then.

Already a coaster named The Bandit as well. Honestly, the name means very little. You could call it "The World's Worst Roller Coaster" and people would still ride it. They will do plenty to promote it and with social media the way it is, there's no way it won't get it's due...if it's deserving.

Never imagined so many people would get so worked up over a ride name. And it's not like it's a bad one either. You want vanilla for a new coaster name? Look no further than Wild Eagle and Dollywood. And by all accounts, it sounds like it's a great ride. So who gives a rip about what it's called?

I don't think anyone here is worked up or really cares too much about the name. It's just something to talk about, especially since most of us expected it to be themed after a bull.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 14, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
I also like the name "Ridgerunner" for the coaster. It seems to fit...they could give the coaster a "white lightning" or "moonshiner" theme...that would fit! Who knows, maybe old man Wilson the farmer was cookin' up some brew behind the barn!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 14, 2012, 05:30:36 PM
Too bad they are not having a contest to name the roller coaster. Winner wins a family 4 pack of SDC season passes for 2013!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 14, 2012, 05:57:53 PM
oh no!! you know they have the name picked out and all of the theming and deco has been decided!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 14, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
I also like the name "Ridgerunner" for the coaster. It seems to fit...they could give the coaster a "white lightning" or "moonshiner" theme...that would fit! Who knows, maybe old man Wilson the farmer was cookin' up some brew behind the barn!

Ridgerunner is a woodie at Waldameer in PA
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 14, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
Well as long as everyone is being so vocal about throwing out ideas for a better name, I'll go ahead and submit mine for consideration.

Heist

Many variations come to mind as well, but I always prefer simplicity.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 14, 2012, 07:43:18 PM
Why not SCARECROW?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 14, 2012, 10:39:53 PM

Tusk

Bobcat

Blackpowder (Wait too close to Powder Keg)

Ozark Mountain Flyer

F5
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 14, 2012, 11:01:15 PM
Hay Baler

Combine

Mangler ......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 14, 2012, 11:02:20 PM
    8)  Bush Whacker  8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Bobby Baldwin on May 15, 2012, 05:32:05 AM
I like all of those ideas but my favorite is the moon shinning idea. So fitting!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on May 15, 2012, 06:42:34 AM
    8)  Bush Whacker  8)

I think were getting back to the name bull.  This is the name of the top bull on the PBR circuit  :).
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 15, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
I like the Moon Shine idea as well.
Moonshine Run?


They will call it outlaw but its fun to come up with our own ideas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 15, 2012, 08:21:17 AM
I really like the idea of moonshining and a bull. Both are fun. Cant wait to see what it will be. What ever  they choose I am confident they will do a job well done. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on May 15, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
I really like The Baldknobber and The Scarecrow.  The theming for these two names would be endless, plus the ideas for apparel like t-shirts would be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 15, 2012, 08:43:29 AM
We will have to continue to guess on a name until the official ride announcement is made this fall.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 15, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
^I think the copyright filings pretty much confirm the name for us, but it's fun to look at what could have been.

I think you guys are just making me glad they went with the name they did though, lol.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 15, 2012, 09:08:59 AM
Can't imagine how much work they might have done by now. Other than the couple of pics Junior shared several days ago, we really haven't seen much to give us any real perspective on the latest progress.

I've said it before, but again, this is where I think HFEC and SDC are missing the mark. There should already be a page devoted to the construction and ongoing marketing of this ride.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on May 15, 2012, 09:17:06 AM
Noooo! I like the suspense and playing spy! I like the guessing and speculation. I dont want to know anyting as of yet. Its not time to know anything yet. We know whats happening. It is no secret. So no we dont need a page dedicated to the ride. We have one here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 15, 2012, 10:08:08 AM
True to some degree and I guess this subject like so many are totally subjective. I'm just insanely impatient and don't like having to wait for weeks to see what's changed. Part of that comes from living so far away from the park. If I were close, I would be there every chance I could to take a peek. Just seems odd that many other parks don't shy away from keeping their fans in the loop on the progress of new projects. I certainly understand and appreciate the value of teasers, but as you pointed out, we already know what's going on, so why not have someone from the park providing construction updates to keep plugging the ride? If I'm not mistaken, Dollywood did it with Wild Eagle. Not sure how frequently, but I do recall seeing a video with one of the lead project people offering some behind the scenes updates and info about the ride. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 15, 2012, 12:02:04 PM
Can't imagine how much work they might have done by now. Other than the couple of pics Junior shared several days ago, we really haven't seen much to give us any real perspective on the latest progress.

I've said it before, but again, this is where I think HFEC and SDC are missing the mark. There should already be a page devoted to the construction and ongoing marketing of this ride.



Good idea, backintime, but remember out of the 100's of thousands of guests SDC has every year,,, We are the Elite "crazy" group of 5-600 that try to follow the day to day happenings....... 

BUT last year they did give us updates on HDH!, however it was off season and the city was closed... sooo.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 15, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
True. I touched based with a contact at SDC this morning and learned the official press conference will take place in August. Obviously, we've known for some time we would hear more sometime this summer, but at least this is a little more definitive.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 15, 2012, 12:27:38 PM
I think Swoosh mentioned that he heard a teaser campaign may begin during Kidsfest.

It's barely even summer yet. The thing about Wild Eagle's teaser campaign was that the ride was actually being built that off-season for the very next season. Like I mentioned before, if they started teasing the ride now people would think it was for this summer. Look at most of the Six Flag's parks: most of their new rides for THIS YEAR are still half way through construction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 15, 2012, 05:00:56 PM
I understand the timing, it's just very weird to have something major going on in the park, yet outside of a vague mention during the train ride, there's zero acknowledgement of the project's existence from the powers that be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 15, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
^^ Late Kidsfest is what I heard.  I hope sooner, but I I too heard a late August announcement of the project.  Plan on going down this weekend for photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 15, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
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It's barely even summer yet.

LOL!!!  that right..!  the city has only been open for 61 days this year,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 15, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
I really like The Baldknobber and The Scarecrow.  The theming for these two names would be endless, plus the ideas for apparel like t-shirts would be pretty interesting.

They can still do t-shirts: "I fought the "Out"Law and the "Out"Law won!"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 16, 2012, 11:54:56 PM
Heard the hill has been topped and first drop is being worked on now.  Also sounds like the bridge between the station and lift has been built.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 17, 2012, 06:17:13 AM
Seems like they are really moving along at top speed with this project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 17, 2012, 07:46:18 AM
Can't wait to see this with my own two eyes Sunday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 17, 2012, 09:21:15 AM
Can't wait to see this with my own two eyes Sunday.
  I'm going this weekend again too, I'm pumped!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 17, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
They have been blessed with great weather for a construction project like this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 17, 2012, 11:53:26 AM
Pictures please, everyone!   ;D :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 17, 2012, 12:48:07 PM
Im starting to really get pumped for this ride! So excited! Still need those Ariel shots!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 17, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
Pictures please, everyone!   ;D :o
I most definatly will take a picture. Then try this flicker thing.  The best view is atop PK's corner before final drop, no pics from up there though!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
More stuff from up the grape vine:

The station is truly going vertical now an starting to take shape. Like Swoosh mentioned earlier, the lift is done along with the bit between it and the station, but it doesn't look like they've actually started on the drop yet. It looks like it might do a small turn before dropping.

I haven't seen any photos yet, so my interest is pretty piqued. I really want to see how tall that lift is, and how it crosses over the tracks. I've heard the lift is the new tallest point in the park? Isn't WF's lift like 120ft? Maybe it just looks that way, or the elevations are different.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 18, 2012, 05:09:08 PM
OK.  i heard today from an inside source ;), the drop will be over 160 feet for sure.. Thats more than the new screaming eagle! :o :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 18, 2012, 05:26:48 PM
Sounds like it's going to be fast. I can't wait to ride it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2012, 08:25:35 PM
Have lots of photos.  Will try to get them online tomorrow
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on May 18, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
Looking forward to them Swoosh. Thanks for all the updates!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 19, 2012, 01:21:11 PM
my sister was at the park yesterday she said that a lot of work has been done and that the station looks almost complete already! As far as she's concerned she says it can't be long till they start going vertical back farther into the woods all I know is I can't wait to go in a couple of weeks and take a look myself
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on May 19, 2012, 02:29:10 PM
I can't wait to stand on the outside and watch!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 19, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
Looking forward to the pictures Swoosh!!! Sounds like SDC is doing this one right. I'm sad we won't be able to make it down to our beloved city this year. I'll have to rely on you all to keep up with all things SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2012, 05:39:38 PM
Photos from Friday May 18th, 2012
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/05.18.12/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
^^Thanks for sharing the pics, Swoosh. Exciting to see the continued progress. Getting more anxious to see track going up in the woods now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 19, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
Thanks for the photos swoosh!  How tall do you estimate the lift to be?  And do you think it is topped out yet?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 19, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Awesome update, thanks Swoosh.

Interesting station design so far. Looks like there will be a good sized indoor queue area in front. Here's hoping it's as well themed as WF's.

The lift looks like it's at least 90ft. The different angles can be very deceiving.

Any bets on when they'll start working on the drop?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
Yes, the lift has been topped off.  There will be a small dip before the first drop, sort of like Wildfire.  The first drop will be a slight left turn from the lift.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 20, 2012, 03:32:53 AM
Swoosh, great pics.. thanks.  I am anxious to be there next weekend and see whats new..  Interesting how you can see the difference from 1 day tot he next!

they must be "hammering" right along!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 20, 2012, 06:08:44 AM
Much progress here in just the last week! Thanks, Swoosh!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 20, 2012, 08:23:16 AM
Wow this. Ride looks sick! I can feel it in my bones this ride is gona be amazing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 20, 2012, 09:08:37 AM
So the lift is around 90ft. How far down in the valley will it drop? Also, any estimates on how long this ride will be? How far back into the forest will it go? Getting very excited about this ride. Thanks SDC for making our dreams come true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 20, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
if you look earlier in this thread there is an elevation photo that indicates the valley is 60-70ft deep....sooooooooooooooooo.....
with the lift in the 90ft range, 
and being on top of a hill to start with, (Another 12-20ft or so)...........
the valley 60-70 feet down, 
makes the drop over 160 feet! 
which my bud at the city indicated to me earlier this week!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 20, 2012, 01:53:12 PM
Whew...I'm gonna have to wear goggles to keep my eyes from waterin'...Thanks for the info Sanddune...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 20, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
after looking at the photo updates i don't think that the part of the station being built is the queue area it looks to me like it will be the maintenance bay. It has footings in front of it and a really odd shaped opening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 20, 2012, 09:52:45 PM
Well, after riding the trainbut not being able to take pictures cause I had my hands full with 4 kids, I can tell it's going way down in the ravine and the banked curves are tight. There's a moment where if you have a fast finger on a fat frame per second eight you can really see down in there.

Loved that the rain petered out and left us with a shady sky. Lines were short and sweet.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 20, 2012, 10:05:21 PM

I was in the city today and came back with this.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78984378@N05/7238696886/

Taller than the other Coasters?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78984378@N05/7238697540/

Does the metal crass brace and the lack of truss point to a pass through?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78984378@N05/7238700496/

The pylons are all over the valley, I am amazed how close this is to the Robbery Shack, I forsee other changes to this area.  Most likely bathrooms and possibly more expansion in this general area, most of this construction is after the return tunnel.  I would place a bet on future expansion necessitating relocation of currant maintenance and storage areas. The infrastructure is already there for restrooms and power, the land is relatively flat, I cant see this being let go to waste.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 20, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
Awesome photos mhguy77, though I always discourage taking photos on rides as it breaks park policy and looks bad for us as fans.

That hole in the structure with the steel beams is definitely a passage, but it's hard to tell from the photos whether it's for future track or if it's just for a maintenance road.

I love the fact that this coaster has a pre-drop. That means there will be no chain lag on the actual drop, so the back end of the train will just fly over it.

Have the gotten close the the new robbery location at all?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Oh. You shouldn't take photos from rides.  The train is all right but taking it on the coasters is a huge no-no.  Please refrain from now on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 20, 2012, 10:49:16 PM
I sure appreciate your concern, I have a sportscam that is actually attached to me when I do this. My camera proper doesn't leave my pocket.
But you are right about not taking pics on rides.  Nobody wants a camera smacking them in the face on the way down a hill.  :) Especially me !
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 21, 2012, 05:48:33 AM
Awesome pics!  Probably not a good idea on powderkeg, however you get a much better perspective of the size from there.  No insider knowlege here, but I have this feeling that as fast as this is progressing, this is not just going to be an expansion of wilsons farm, but a whole new area.  If they finish the coaster by say September, they would have several months to build more shops etc before next season.  With the amount of potential real estate available, they could add more flat rides in coming years too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
Awesome pics!  Probably not a good idea on powderkeg, however you get a much better perspective of the size from there.  No insider knowlege here, but I have this feeling that as fast as this is progressing, this is not just going to be an expansion of wilsons farm, but a whole new area.  If they finish the coaster by say September, they would have several months to build more shops etc before next season.  With the amount of potential real estate available, they could add more flat rides in coming years too.

I got a couple of issues with Wilson Farm. Most barns in the Ozarks weren't painted red. The giant swing rocks, the props rock, that shade of red stinks.

High Low Silos, I get the idea of pulling yourself up bit the kids want something like the thing at Celebration City. I understand the area was designed while CC was open and it made sense to not replicate rides but...................times have changes. Wilsons Farm is like Half Dollar Holler, it's a kiddie flat ride away from feeling somewhat complete and the frog race thing needs scraped and where's the farmyard petting zoo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2012, 07:18:12 AM
Oh. You shouldn't take photos from rides.  The train is all right but taking it on the coasters is a huge no-no.  Please refrain from now on.

He likely used something similar to what we hunter use to film POV action on the deer stand and in the duck blind.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on May 21, 2012, 10:02:56 AM
I never thought about the color of that barn before, Chitlins, but you are right!  I usually avoid that area because it just doesn't interest me.  The giant swing is very cool, but a rustic red or grey would be so much cooler!  The frog race was okay the first few years, but the last few times I tried it, it was broken. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 21, 2012, 12:46:46 PM
Oh. You shouldn't take photos from rides.  The train is all right but taking it on the coasters is a huge no-no.  Please refrain from now on.

He likely used something similar to what we hunter use to film POV action on the deer stand and in the duck blind.

Doesn't matter what he used, he still took photos from a ride which is against the rules no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 21, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
nice pics mh, thanks!.. Pretty handy having that type of camera....  Maybe if How-do makes it, he will use his helmet cam.... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2012, 02:02:35 PM
Awesome pics!  Probably not a good idea on powderkeg, however you get a much better perspective of the size from there.  No insider knowlege here, but I have this feeling that as fast as this is progressing, this is not just going to be an expansion of wilsons farm, but a whole new area.  If they finish the coaster by say September, they would have several months to build more shops etc before next season.  With the amount of potential real estate available, they could add more flat rides in coming years too.

With this name, it certainly doesn't look like an extension of the barnyard theme, but I don't think it will be quite a new area in itself. It'll be more like a stub that may or may not be expanded eventually. I think Swoosh mentioned there will be another eatery vendor of some kind (probably just a stall like in the barnyard) and maybe a smaller cart or something, but there won't be any new brick-and-mortar shops.

Right now I just want to figure out how far back in the woods this is going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 21, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
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Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
Oh. You shouldn't take photos from rides.  The train is all right but taking it on the coasters is a huge no-no.  Please refrain from now on.

He likely used something similar to what we hunter use to film POV action on the deer stand and in the duck blind.

Doesn't matter what he used, he still took photos from a ride which is against the rules no matter how you slice it.


Oh well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 21, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
You're probably right shave.  I just find it strange they are getting along so fast if it is just going to be a coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2012, 04:26:32 PM
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Yeah, it's like Swoosh is role playing as a hall monitor ;D

If your not endangering anyone,  swing for the fences. Modern tech is making keeping things hush hush or tightly controlled impossible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on May 21, 2012, 04:52:54 PM
It's really amazing to see how far along this baby has come since I checked on here last a few weeks ago. It's looking big! I'm getting really excited to ride...I rode Texas Giant for the first time a week ago, and...wow. This company knows what they're doing. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on May 21, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
Pretty great shots, though. Just be careful folks...don't want anyone getting in trouble. Let's all have a fun and safe play day at SDC. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 21, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
High Low Silos, I get the idea of pulling yourself up bit the kids want something like the thing at Celebration City.

My kids love the High Low Silos...and it is a great workout for the arms...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
High Low Silos, I get the idea of pulling yourself up bit the kids want something like the thing at Celebration City.

My kids love the High Low Silos...and it is a great workout for the arms...

One loves it, the other three call it boring. Put in a drop tower and everyone is happy. I want SDC to have of all and be THE park in Middle America
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Hatfield McCoy on May 21, 2012, 10:47:08 PM
Just got back from the City today and was admiring the new coaster from "Powder Keg".  That thing is going to be huge, and from the looks of it a game changer for SDC moving forward.  I think they will definitely inspire a few enthusiast to make a special trip to try it out.  I wonder if they are "going for it", like Holiday World has recently with their top rated wood coasters to attract some national buzz?

Also, there were two workers working at the very top and it looked liked they were working without being tied on in any way.  Man, I can't imagine being that high up just putting in my 10 hours like it was nothing.  Talk about your daredevils!

These coasters are modern marvels.  It looks like a strong breeze would send that whole thing toppling over like a stack of matches. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on May 22, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
Doesn't matter what he used, he still took photos from a ride which is against the rules no matter how you slice it.

 ::)

Did he? Or did you read what he actually wrote?

I seem to have missed your outrage over the various ride videos that have appeared here, and are all over Youtube.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2012, 08:12:47 AM
I have got on to several of those people as well.
I find it odd that most of you don't have a problem with this.  The rules are cut and dry.  No loose articles on the ride. That includes those strapped to you.  No photos on the ride.  The excuses of "well so and so did" are just stupid.  Are you one of my JH students because I expect a retort like that out of a 12-14 year old about how they're being unfairly singled out.  I guess it shouldn't surprise me that there are adults out there that haven't learned right from wrong yet as someone has to teach these kids the wrong way of behaving at home.  Yes I went there, get over it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 22, 2012, 08:49:06 AM
Okay maybe its time to stop talking about this and start talking about this amazing new ride sdc is building for us.   Right now I am just dying for a announcement! I'm curious about theming  and artwork! I'm dying to see what sdc cooks up for a logo for this thing! And I do wonder if sdc's waiting for an announcement with such a visible project is because there might be more to this than we think!  I agree putting the shot tower from CC would be great in that area but unless they have already taken it down then I don't see that happening this year since they would have to disassemble it paint it and rebuild it! Although who knows I do suppose its possible but they are cutting it close on time to do all that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 22, 2012, 08:56:50 AM
Grapeslie,  your right, It will be quite a ride.....

Rumor has it over 160 ft drop!!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on May 22, 2012, 10:04:40 AM
Went there on Sunday and took some pictures but nothing that really adds to the discussion. But I did notice on my train ride that there were several footers near the lift hill that are not part of the lift hill.....you can see them here in this picture taken by swoosh....

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/05.18.12/24.JPG

I'm thinking that we'll see some kind of crossover.

And just a random thought...could this ride have two lifts? The reason I ask is because the rise from the valley back to the station is going to be a significant elevation change (you can see the path it is going to take in this picture....there just are not any footers yet, only centerline stakes).

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/153.jpg)

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on May 22, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
In the words of Jackie Moon from Semi-Pro.... ELE... Everybody Love Everybody. I personally understand both sides of the issue but either way I don't feel the need to get worked up over something that is no big deal.... ELE  ;D

Can't Wait to ride this monster of a rollercoaster!  8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 22, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
Rocky Mountain has buzz around their name with the Texas Giant and other Reno work. This is their first "from the ground up" soldiers using their tech from the rail to their trains. I expect they will be using this to sell future projects and will be about a 75% represention of what all they can do. They can sell smaller off this represention or go even Wilder off of it and give what most expect from an SDC ride to SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 22, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Just found this interesting to me info. If the drop of the new coaster is around 160 ft that will be nearly the same amount the new video screen at Razorback Stadium is wide. That will be 167 feet wide in High Def. Now SDC needs to by some promo time on that showing off the new ride in a Extreme Drop(tackle) of the game bit to 75,000 that fits their demographic targets to a tee.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on May 23, 2012, 03:20:38 PM
I happened to be at the park today and thought it would be nice to see the difference in just one week.  I did not have time to ride the train however but I will be back tomorrow and hopefully I will grad some more photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79213651@N04/7257720496/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 23, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Awesome, thanks for the photo crash. So the track is now all the way up the lift hill and probably as far as it can go. I guess that means they've started working on the drop. Might be able to see it starting to take shape by tomorrow, or certainly by this weekend I would think.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Polley on May 23, 2012, 05:02:14 PM
The station kind of looks like the shape of a wild west town. I'm thinking this will fit well with "the outlaw" title.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on May 23, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
There has not been anything other than the tracking done.  From pk it looked the same as it was before, except for more tack laid.  This could also be because I could not see lower than the tree tops also.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MoOzark on May 23, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but has anyone heard any rumors about a new SDC area called the “Pioneer Woman” area? On an episode of OzarkWatch Video Magazine, author Leon Combs was interviewed. He was telling about a cabin in Taney County where a 90+ year old woman had lived alone with no electricity, running water, or anything modern. He said that the cabin was going to be moved to SDC as part of a new area called the “Pioneer Woman” area. The website for this program is “http://www.optv.org.” 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 23, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
^Mr. and Mrs. Leon Combs already donated such a cabin to SDC back in 1999. It's called Birdle's cabin and it's located way back in a corner of the park behind the steam-powered lathe. You can read a little more about it here: http://woolenmillstudio.net/portfolio.2005.05.29.html

What episode was it though? Perhaps this is something new. Birdle's cabin has looked like it was about to fall apart in recent years, and it never seemed like the city really payed much attention to it. If this was truly recent, then they could be talking about replacing it and refurbishing the area with a new partnership/tie-in with the Pioneer Woman.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on May 23, 2012, 10:59:42 PM
There was an episode in 2010 wherein Leon Combs was interviewed. That's the only episode I could find.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
That is going to be one major facade for the station
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 24, 2012, 09:43:28 AM
I agree Swoosh! I think that the facade will be huge! I expect this station will be Themed to the hilt!
I kind of think that's why they have started so early.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on May 25, 2012, 01:24:54 AM
I was at the park again today and saw a lot of progress done.  I did not get any good pictures due to the fact I can not see through trees or get a good angle. Was not able to ride the train but can happily say the the drop is being worked on and a good amount has been built since yesterday.  The drop portion is about the height of the trees and still needs a little way to go to connect with the lift and slight turn.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 25, 2012, 03:46:35 AM
How steep does the drop look?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 25, 2012, 07:23:59 AM
1 word describes how steep the drop is.     .  "Real"   :) :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 25, 2012, 08:20:41 AM
Very nice!  I can't wait to see pics of it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on May 25, 2012, 08:51:58 AM
It is hard to tell right now because all of the wood is the same level.  Kinda how they built the lift.  I say give it a week and we will see this thing take shape. May be even done with the drop at the rate they are going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 26, 2012, 07:02:44 PM
Anyone get or are planning on getting any new photos this weekend?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 28, 2012, 10:12:31 PM
New photos at Themeparkreview on the SilverDollarCity thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 28, 2012, 10:57:53 PM
Here are some recent shots from Chadster on TPR that show a lot of the station area really well: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1185700#p1185700
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 29, 2012, 09:13:13 AM
Doesn't  appear that much visible construction has occurred since our last update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 29, 2012, 06:19:56 PM
I agree, I rode the train monday, and the area looked just like the pics taken last week..  Although the constructioncrews were working monday..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 04, 2012, 09:12:51 AM
anybody going out to the park again soon? I'm going nuts over here for a update lol  ;) I'll be going in two weeks but that's too long to wait!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 04, 2012, 09:41:19 AM
Im going this weekend but I doubt I will be getting pics of the progress that would be of any importance. I think since opening weekend they have done a good job of "hiding" the progress. Sigh.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on June 04, 2012, 10:00:33 AM
I got a few pictures from yesterday. I noticed some new construction in the ravine that is visible just past Hobo Junction also there appears to be a small dip off the lift before the big first drop kinda like The Boss and Screaming Eagle at Six Flags St. Louis. I also uploaded a picture of the station progress. I am wondering if this coaster will have a traditional chain lift on it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 04, 2012, 10:55:33 AM
OMG those photos are fantastic! Thank You! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 04, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Awesome, thanks for the update sawblade. It's great to see the rest of the course start to rise.

I'll be there next weekend, and you know I'll get a ton of photos of every angle I can get, along with hopefully a better description of where the construction is currently and where it looks like it will go.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 04, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
So, after the lift there's an immediately small dip back what looks like the height of the lift into a curve for the drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 04, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
chittlins, I dont know if you asked a question? or made a statement?

Yes. There is a small dip to the east just after the lift.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 04, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
Great photos sawblade5.
Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on June 05, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
That sucker is flying with construction! Thanks for the pics, Sawblade!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 06, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
It appears that it will have a turn drop similar to that of Wildfire from when i was there looking at it on Sunday... :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on June 06, 2012, 05:49:19 PM
Ok so here is the update, I rode wildfire and this is what I saw

-track is done on the dip
-the drop that you saw in the picture is almost done with tracking
-the drop... Is... Breath taking..  So so steep.  Definitely will get air time!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 06, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
Ok so here is the update, I rode wildfire and this is what I saw

-track is done on the dip
-the drop that you saw in the picture is almost done with tracking
-the drop... Is... Breath taking..  So so steep.  Definitely will get air time!

So the 81 degree drop rumor was true? Does it look steeper than WF's drop?

Pretty excited to see this on Friday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 06, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Yes I do believe it was steeper than wf bearly though... you can achieve freefall on wildfire too though just have a one click loose harness ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 06, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
WF doesn't have anywhere near an 81 degree drop, but I'm trying to judge perceptions based on that. It will be difficult to judge exactly how steep it is through the trees and from different angles, but if it looks steeper than WF's then it's going to be pretty damn steep, especially for a woodie.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
WF is around 70° if that steep. I'm just guessing from the photos I took on our backstage tour in 2009.

81° is pretty steep. Your body is not going to differentiate between it and straight down, this fact alone is why Oblivion is not straight down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 06, 2012, 09:53:00 PM
the question is how fast  will it go?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 06, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Oh yes I forgot to mention.  The ride will be named U smell smoke?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2012, 11:09:11 PM
the question is how fast  will it go?

I'd guess mid 60s
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 07, 2012, 08:46:51 AM
We can hope
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on June 07, 2012, 11:22:43 AM
The faster the better!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on June 07, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
I appreciate everybody who has given us info on this new coaster and who have posted pictures....keep the info coming for this ol' Colorado boy who won't be able to make it to our beloved SDC this year...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 08, 2012, 07:44:36 AM
JOSH!! :'( :'(!!

i was just getting ready to give a yell and see when you coming over...

Hope all is well for you and yours..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 08, 2012, 12:45:14 PM
From the SDC thread on TPR, it sounds like the drop is definitely turning out to be 81 degrees after all. What's more, it looks like there will also be a tunnel as well.

There's no doubt about it now: this coaster is going to be on the top-10 lists.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 08, 2012, 01:18:02 PM
will be interesting to see where the tunnel goes, since we haven't seen any prep work for it yet.. ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
Just because no one has photographed prep work for it doesn't mean that it hasn't been done.  There is a lot that cannot be seen from the train
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 08, 2012, 06:06:17 PM
I would daresay that no prep work has been done yet, IF there is actually a tunnel...  They would add/build it after the track support and track is set into place.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SuperBuckalew on June 08, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
I was the person who posted about the 81 degree drop and the tunnel on Theme Park Review. Sanddunerider, your comment doesn't make much sense as the majority of this ride is being built back in the woods. To assume that you would see prep work is just ridiculous since the ride is mostly hidden by trees. I was riding the train and just so happened to see through the trees that there was a very apparent curvy concrete tunnel. I would assume that you would only be able to see a concrete tunnel when a concrete tunnel is being built, there wouldn't be much prep work to see through a mass of trees. And your statement about adding a tunnel after the "track support and track" has been built, is completely false. If i'm not mistaken, most if not all wooden coasters are built through an already built tunnel. So you are just wrong.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 08, 2012, 09:15:42 PM
I was the person who posted about the 81 degree drop and the tunnel on Theme Park Review. Sanddunerider, your comment doesn't make much sense as the majority of this ride is being built back in the woods. To assume that you would see prep work is just ridiculous since the ride is mostly hidden by trees. I was riding the train and just so happened to see through the trees that there was a very apparent curvy concrete tunnel. I would assume that you would only be able to see a concrete tunnel when a concrete tunnel is being built, there wouldn't be much prep work to see through a mass of trees. And your statement about adding a tunnel after the "track support and track" has been built, is completely false. If i'm not mistaken, most if not all wooden coasters are built through an already built tunnel. So you are just wrong.

Hmmm??  well i could be wrong,  Wouldn't be the 1st time this week. ::) ::)

Hello, my name is sanddunerider and I am wrong!! 

Sure glad that is all cleared up!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 08, 2012, 09:23:23 PM
Can I join your club?

Hi my name is MissinTheGreenTrams and today I was wrong.

Oh it feels so good to have a support group!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 08, 2012, 09:32:49 PM
Thanks for the update SuperBuckalew, we appreciate any and all updates we can get.

We might have been under the assumption that because so much was being done on the station/lift that they weren't doing much down the course. Sounds like a LOT has been going on down there already after all, and we many not even see a lot of it until the ride opens.

I didn't get to the park today, but I'll be sure to report tomorrow night what I see tomorrow.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 08, 2012, 11:04:53 PM
Here's how I see this, it gets ready in time for OTC. As incentive, those who purchase their 2013 passes get to ride as a special preview and they give hints in the queue for the next park addition.  ;D ain't happening but they are throwing it up so quick. I really hope they landscape the tunnel well as to where it actually looks like a real cave where an outlaw would hole up at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on June 08, 2012, 11:53:55 PM
I would just like to say hi... I"m a noob. I am an urban explorer & was doing research on why the Water Boggen wasn't there anymore & about Jim Owens float trip. I happened upon this forum & I have been sitting here for hours reading page after page after page. Totally geeked out on all of this! Oh & Im a total SDC fan too....have been attending almost every other year since the early 80's
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 09, 2012, 01:36:46 AM
So you are just wrong.

Here is the difference between SDC fans, who love SDC even when we're just speculating and hoping, and the larger community of coaster fans who only want to be right, and prove it!

Welcome anyway, SuperBuckalew. If you'll stick around, I think you'll find this is a friendlier crowd than what you might be used to. We discuss a lot, and debate not very much at all.

While we all want to know the details of the new ride, nobody has much ego staked on being "right" about the details.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 09, 2012, 06:36:42 AM
I would just like to say hi... I"m a noob. I am an urban explorer & was doing research on why the Water Boggen wasn't there anymore & about Jim Owens float trip. I happened upon this forum & I have been sitting here for hours reading page after page after page. Totally geeked out on all of this! Oh & Im a total SDC fan too....have been attending almost every other year since the early 80's

I have heard several reasons from low capacity per hour to Ada issues. It seems the area is often mentioned as a new ride location in Herchend surveys. I think the closing was ill planned as many seem to have enjoyed it and due to Dolleywood still operating a similar ride. At least I think they do..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on June 09, 2012, 09:23:06 AM
I've been following this blog since page one. I don't say much just because I don't want to say anything wrong.  But no one said you aren't a fan of SDC.  And sanddunerider never said that it was false.  Basically there is a lot that we do not know about and a lot that is hidden.  We will just have to wait and hopefully see what progress is done.  This whole blog is about guessing and speculating.  It's just a fun blog to give opinions on and just have fun.  You are very welcome here and I'm exciting about the tunnel.  I hope there is a long tunnel, but I hope they make it look like thunderations tunnel or a cave  theme or something to match the elements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 09, 2012, 09:34:41 AM
I would just like to say hi... I"m a noob. I am an urban explorer & was doing research on why the Water Boggen wasn't there anymore & about Jim Owens float trip. I happened upon this forum & I have been sitting here for hours reading page after page after page. Totally geeked out on all of this! Oh & Im a total SDC fan too....have been attending almost every other year since the early 80's

Welcome Psychosaw13- sounds like you've come to the right group!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 09, 2012, 12:07:55 PM
Let us all take a deep breath and turn to the words of that great philosopher, Thumper, chapter 1, verse 1  "If you can't say nothin' nice. (sigh) Don't say nothin' at all."



I like the words of the great spokesman of the latter part of the 20th century, Rodney King. Can we all just get along.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 09, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
So how about that roller coaster?  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 09, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
I did not see the new fangled roller coaster. I did not see a tunnel, I did not see a drop. I didnt see a lift hill I did not see cement footers. Now from what I didnt see this is what I know. There will be a roller coaster that will be amazing. Come hill or high water. It will rival TNT. I pray that my kid will be able to ride it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 09, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
Any more off-topic or inflammatory posts will be deleted. I will clean up this thread later tonight when I have time. The whole last page is just nonsense because someone got worked up over one little post. I expect better discourse from everyone here.

ANYWAY, back to business: got to see the ride myself today for the first time, and hot damn I'm impressed. The drop is indeed stunning. 160ft at least and definitely 81 degrees. It looks like there will be a high speed, fairly low, overbanked turnaround right after the drop swooshing past hobo junction and curving around either back over the base of the drop or through the lift hill. It's hard to tell so far, but I'll be back tomorrow to look again. I didn't see the tunnel myself yet, not that I doubt it's existence, but it's really hard to see past the drop area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 09, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
*Thread purged (more or less)

Some other notes I have from what I saw today:

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on June 10, 2012, 12:12:26 AM
So you are just wrong.

Here is the difference between SDC fans, who love SDC even when we're just speculating and hoping, and the larger community of coaster fans who only want to be right, and prove it!

Welcome anyway, SuperBuckalew. If you'll stick around, I think you'll find this is a friendlier crowd than what you might be used to. We discuss a lot, and debate not very much at all.

While we all want to know the details of the new ride, nobody has much ego staked on being "right" about the details.

I am hoping someone doesn't spill the beans again on the ride layout drawing like someone who posts here did with Powder Keg before it was announced. That really sucked. Is there anything we can do to block the spoilers of the final ride layout drawings or post them to a different thread that would be nice if you have to post such a thing. I didn't like that part of the surprise being ruined.

As on another site a few years ago. We kept hushed on the layout of Prowler at Worlds of Fun until it was released to the GP so we all could enjoy the surprise and get the most of the viral marketing leading up to the ride announcement. We did know who was building it then. (we didn't know the height yet because it didn't go vertical until after the announcement) It was a fun experience then and I want to enjoy it again with SDC's New Coaster. I don't consider what is already built to be a spoiler as it's there and everyone knows about it. However only a few people knows what the final layout is, and I believe that some of those people in the know post here. So I hope the final spoilers don't come early here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 10, 2012, 12:29:50 AM
So you are just wrong.

Here is the difference between SDC fans, who love SDC even when we're just speculating and hoping, and the larger community of coaster fans who only want to be right, and prove it!

Welcome anyway, SuperBuckalew. If you'll stick around, I think you'll find this is a friendlier crowd than what you might be used to. We discuss a lot, and debate not very much at all.

While we all want to know the details of the new ride, nobody has much ego staked on being "right" about the details.

I am hoping someone doesn't spill the beans again on the ride layout drawing like someone who posts here did with Powder Keg before it was announced. That really sucked. Is there anything we can do to block the spoilers of the final ride layout drawings or post them to a different thread that would be nice if you have to post such a thing. I didn't like that part of the surprise being ruined.

As on another site a few years ago. We kept hushed on the layout of Prowler at Worlds of Fun until it was released to the GP so we all could enjoy the surprise and get the most of the viral marketing leading up to the ride announcement. We did know who was building it then. (we didn't know the height yet because it didn't go vertical until after the announcement) It was a fun experience then and I want to enjoy it again with SDC's New Coaster. I don't consider what is already built to be a spoiler as it's there and everyone knows about it. However only a few people knows what the final layout is, and I believe that some of those people in the know post here. So I hope the final spoilers don't come early here.

Here's the deal. SDC is building this before an official announcement. Not only that, there's a good chance Google Earth will update imagery and that will tell the tale.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 10, 2012, 04:29:55 AM
I am hoping someone doesn't spill the beans again on the ride layout drawing like someone who posts here did with Powder Keg before it was announced.

Why?

It's not Christmas, and you aren't Santa Claus. If everything was a big secret, it would all be under tarps and cover of darkness. SDC isn't Apple; leaks and speculation are not only allowed, they're encouraged. Leaks and speculation drive fan enthusiasm and excitement, and even visits to the park just to get a glimpse of what none of us can ride until 2013. If not... tarps and darkness.

Major construction on this project began 18 months before it will open, and continues through the entire season that the park is open before the project's premier. Construction takes place in full view of the public.

If you have a gripe about the open nature of this project, please call 770-441-1940 and ask to speak to Joel.  He's a very customer-oriented guy, and would love to hear from you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 10, 2012, 04:34:39 AM
Any more off-topic or inflammatory posts will be deleted. I will clean up this thread later tonight when I have time.

We're trying to be nice, Shave. Thanks for all your hard work taking care of this forum. It helps that it's the kind of community that is mostly self-policing.

 :)

I'm glad you got to see the project. I'm jealous. This will be another year without SDC for me, unless the lottery cooperates.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 10, 2012, 07:11:29 AM
agreed, KB..  when you nstart a project of this magnitude, your going to hear about it all year long.. the only way to avoid updates, pictures and speculation would be to avoid all media. And in this day and age, that aint goin to happen!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 10, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
1. sawblade, there is no need for passive aggressive attacks.  I'm sorry your suspense was ruined.  Perhaps you should avoid the internet if you want to avoid spoilers.

2.  There is no need for self policing.  Shave does a great job by himself without your help.  Most of the time, all can be solved by ignoring the poster and moving on.  Some of you that tried to help made things worse.

3. Stop playing the victim card if you get called out.  It is fine to speculate, but be all right with the fact others might know more about the project and are not speculating.  In other words it is ok to be wrong.

4. Thanks to everyone who has been posting updates, it takes pressure off me to get down there more than I already do.  With that being said, don't be one of those posters that begs for photos when none have been posted for a couple days.  Chances are if someone has been there, they'll post them.

Thanks guys for making a great discussion thread, just play nice and don't try to do Shave's job and we'll be fine
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on June 10, 2012, 06:08:30 PM
I'm just happy to be here in the company of others obsessed with SDC & theme parks in general..all of you are awesome!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 10, 2012, 07:36:35 PM
I'm just happy to be here in the company of others obsessed with SDC & theme parks in general..all of you are awesome!

"Obsessed"?  Well............  that's 1 word for us.............  LOL>.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on June 10, 2012, 09:29:33 PM
So did the inversion rumor just float away or is there a possibility that it could still be in the ride?

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 10, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
^I don't think anyone's really looking for that to happen, though it's still technically possible. I think the inversions that were mentioned in the article are only available on the I-box track setup. Who knows though, I'm just not expecting it for this ride.

Had another great day at the city and rode the train twice again to look at the ride. I never did spot the tunnel, but this is what I've put together for the ride layout so far: You dip out of the station a tiny bit and then immediately hit the lift hill. At the top of the lift you take a sharp dip to the left and then plummet over a rolling, 81 degree, 160ft drop into the valley. The track lifts out of the drop into an extreme overbanked turn that rises towards the train tracks and then plummets back into the valley back towards the base of the drop, a full 270 degrees. I wasn't able to follow the footers farther than that, but perhaps the tunnel is down there past the drop, or perhaps there is more clearing and footer work to be done down there. In any case, it looks like the track will turn around down there and head back up past the drop again, because we know it passes through the lift hill. After passing through the lift hill, it looks like it will dive into that smaller valley immediately below the station and then curve up around until it finally crosses the train tracks again and into the station.

Oh yeah, I was wrong last night when I said there was only one bay for maintenance. There's clearly space for two in fact, so they'll be able to run three trains I'm sure. They'll need all of them going next year.

Photos will be up shortly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 10, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
Unfortunately I did not get pictures but I did notice that the track for the new coaster seems to be a rectangular shaped track that is hollow in the middle.   Sort of like a squared pipe but wider than it is high.  Along the train tracks today there lay many pieces of track. All curved and twisty.  A friend of mine said it looked like a twizzler.  Very accurate description. This is going to be a very curvy ride.
I thought this company had a box track system and also topper track and we were supposed to get the topper track.  This looks more boxy than anything else.  Am I crazy or did anyone else notice this ?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on June 10, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
I noticed the box/ hollow track too. Thought it was interesting.  I noticed it when I was coming out of the park And on my way to Branson west I saw it.   It was After the fire station and the maintenance  parking lot there is a lot with a ton of the track laying there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 10, 2012, 10:33:54 PM
Topper track on Rocky Mountains website shows it being a rectangular hollow steel box. Now this is the first ride to get their own train with it so it may be a track design for their train that's a variation of what we have seen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 10, 2012, 11:02:15 PM
Unfortunately I did not get pictures but I did notice that the track for the new coaster seems to be a rectangular shaped track that is hollow in the middle.   Sort of like a squared pipe but wider than it is high.  Along the train tracks today there lay many pieces of track. All curved and twisty.  A friend of mine said it looked like a twizzler.  Very accurate description. This is going to be a very curvy ride.
I thought this company had a box track system and also topper track and we were supposed to get the topper track.  This looks more boxy than anything else.  Am I crazy or did anyone else notice this ?

The track I saw was just the new style topper track. Basically a slim steel rectangle that sits on top of the traditional wood stack. The I-beam track that RMC also produces is completely steel. They have basically replaced the big board on top of the traditional wooden track system with a big piece of steel.

Photos are up: http://sdcfans.com/photos/feat/23/

I have a few more "through the trees" shots, but they're really hard to see much clearly unless you know what you're looking at. I might add a few more tomorrow, maybe with another crappy ms-paint drawing of the current layout.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 11, 2012, 06:37:55 AM
Awesome pics! Thanks Shave! Wow that drop is unfreakingbelieveable! This coaster will daw people from far and wide next year. Looks to be a probable top 5 woodie if they incorporate tunnels and airtime bunny hops.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 11, 2012, 07:32:40 AM
Quote
The track I saw was just the new style topper track. Basically a slim steel rectangle that sits on top of the traditional wood stack.
That is what I saw I just expected a topper to be a flat piece not rectangular with a space in the middle.
I wonder if the results are the same at the all steel track?
Twizzler tracks
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 11, 2012, 07:35:45 AM
great pis shave, anxious to see it in person this next weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 12, 2012, 12:58:06 PM
I'm sure though that this will ride beautifully either way! RMCC does impressive work! Now I understand this is their first from ground up ride but my gut tells me this is going to be amazing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ljb2of3 on June 12, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Hey all,

New here, just discovered the forum last month.  Interesting place, nice to know I'm not the only SDC nut.  :) 

I hit the park on Monday and shot some video of the new roller coaster from the train and thought you guys might like to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FOy7YFRRCU&feature=youtu.be

-Landy
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on June 12, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Thanks for the video. That lift hill is something else! They are coming along well on the loading station area, too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 12, 2012, 09:41:28 PM
Some of you who have iPhone 4 or later should check out Theodolite, and see if you can't get some really accurate measurements.

http://hrtapps.com/theodolite/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 12, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
Welcome Landy, and thanks for the video. Looks like they already put more track on the drop. If you know where to look, you can see the curved uplift right after the drop taking shape as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DianaGail on June 12, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
It is going to be a beautiful coaster.  I will never never never never ride it.  lol!  I don't ride any coasters because they make me sick.  The nightmares about this one will start soon.  LOL!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: busymom4kc on June 12, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
Thanks so much to the member who posted the video of the progress on the new roller coaster. It looks amazing!;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 12, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
looks fantastic! I'm psyched!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 13, 2012, 05:49:24 AM
Trying to do frame by frame of the video, it looks like the the apex of the drop is slightly higher than the top of the lifthill and the dip between the two is used to gather enough momentum climb that extra height and would really give the riders in the back big time air.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 13, 2012, 11:12:06 AM
I imagine that's an optical allusion
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 13, 2012, 12:50:36 PM
I imagine that's an optical allusion

Either way is is nearly equal and a full broadside makes it appear ago be a bigger dip than the common angle we see with the train pics.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: IASTClone on June 14, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
 Re: SDC's 2013 Project
"« Reply #215 on: January 30, 2012, 04:16:13 PM »     

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Take it for what it is worth, but I was told about this project by a SDC employee a little over a month ago.  He made it sound as if this WILL NOT be any small coaster, nor will it be tame and for everyone.  Mentioned the possibilty of a record setting drop angle.

Like I said, take it for what it is worth"


Starting to look like my source was reliable.   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 14, 2012, 12:42:55 PM
Oh I am sure this will be one rather intense ride! Ejector airtime anyone? I get the feeling that first drop will be similar to Wildfire in that your backside wont be in your seat till you hit bottom! Ill be there in a couple weeks can't wait to take another look! :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 14, 2012, 02:37:14 PM
Re: SDC's 2013 Project
"« Reply #215 on: January 30, 2012, 04:16:13 PM »     

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Take it for what it is worth, but I was told about this project by a SDC employee a little over a month ago.  He made it sound as if this WILL NOT be any small coaster, nor will it be tame and for everyone.  Mentioned the possibilty of a record setting drop angle.

Like I said, take it for what it is worth"


Starting to look like my source was reliable.   ;D


This only enforces my belief that SDC should add a couple of family coasters like the ones we have thrown on the wall in the idea thread. Fact is that the communities around SDC are growing and slowly but surely the park will become a busier place everyday of the week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 14, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
Would love to eventually see something that feels like a hybrid between TNT, FITH and MM@ Dollywood. Maybe something in the way of the old Icehouse concept could work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on June 14, 2012, 08:08:58 PM
Hey everybody!! Now that summer is here and life is slowing down a little bit at the moment, I finally got to check in at my favorite forums!!

Wow, I cannot wait to make it to the park next season. This coaster is looking like a monster, and exactly the type of ride we've been wanting for the past few years. I also like the fact that SDC hasn't released any information about it yet, and I love how I don't know what is going on back there in those woods. I hope not to find out until I ride it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 15, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
Hey all,

New here, just discovered the forum last month.  Interesting place, nice to know I'm not the only SDC nut.  :) 

I hit the park on Monday and shot some video of the new roller coaster from the train and thought you guys might like to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FOy7YFRRCU&feature=youtu.be

-Landy
YES!!!!!! The 81 degree drop!!!! Great video and thanks!!! Wait did some one say 160ft drop?
^I don't think anyone's really looking for that to happen, though it's still technically possible. I think the inversions that were mentioned in the article are only available on the I-box track setup. Who knows though, I'm just not expecting it for this ride.

Had another great day at the city and rode the train twice again to look at the ride. I never did spot the tunnel, but this is what I've put together for the ride layout so far: You dip out of the station a tiny bit and then immediately hit the lift hill. At the top of the lift you take a sharp dip to the left and then plummet over a rolling, 81 degree, 160ft drop into the valley. The track lifts out of the drop into an extreme overbanked turn that rises towards the train tracks and then plummets back into the valley back towards the base of the drop, a full 270 degrees. I wasn't able to follow the footers farther than that, but perhaps the tunnel is down there past the drop, or perhaps there is more clearing and footer work to be done down there. In any case, it looks like the track will turn around down there and head back up past the drop again, because we know it passes through the lift hill. After passing through the lift hill, it looks like it will dive into that smaller valley immediately below the station and then curve up around until it finally crosses the train tracks again and into the station.

Oh yeah, I was wrong last night when I said there was only one bay for maintenance. There's clearly space for two in fact, so they'll be able to run three trains I'm sure. They'll need all of them going next year.

Photos will be up shortly.
Wouldn't that make the ride have the tallest drop in SDC? Wildfire I want to say is 155 ft drop.  Now the only question is Inversion or no Inversion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 15, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
Oh and is it The Outlaw or U Smell Smoke?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 15, 2012, 02:56:05 PM
The trademark was filed for "The Outlaw"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 15, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
^^"U Smell Smoke" is the name of someone who posts here and probably elsewhere on the internet, and yes, it is the biggest drop in the park, assuming it is in fact 160ft. It certainly looks like it is, but the official stats haven't been released yet.

Can't wait for the next round of photos. Hope someone is visiting this weekend. The drop is surely tracked completely at this point, the turn is probably rising, and work has been done on the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 17, 2012, 08:51:58 AM
Is this thing going to have a station fly through? The new pics on the trip review page  show there are footers all over the place by the queue that isn't part of the current lifthill.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 17, 2012, 08:56:53 AM
Here is link to new project pics taken 6-16-2012

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sanddunerider/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 17, 2012, 09:30:43 AM
OMG is it 2013 yet!  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 17, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
Great Photos! Its looking good!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 17, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7221/7386018302_30c6d0a3a2.jpg)

I see footers on both sides of the drop to the lift hill out of the station. I can only think of a flythrough or that the queue is going to be under the ride a bit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 17, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
I think those might be for a walkway (not the queue though) or for some type of thematic element to interact between the coaster and the train. I don't see a fly-through fitting with that station set-up.

You got a better angle of the drop than I did. Still doesn't quite do it justice though, does it? Good to see all the track on it.

So the curve is rising... That thing is going to be a doozy, let me tell you. I expect it to look like this:
(http://cache.rcdb.com/kbe3o5898co004001gm4d0.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 17, 2012, 01:37:22 PM
Quote
That thing is going to be a doozy, let me tell you. I expect it to look like this:

I sure hope it does !
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
The footers are probably for the exit ramp
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 17, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
Isn't that side of the station the maintenance bay? wouldn't those footers have something to do with that?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on June 17, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
Isn't that side of the station the maintenance bay? wouldn't those footers have something to do with that?
I was just thinking that...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on June 17, 2012, 09:14:55 PM
I think those might be for a walkway (not the queue though) or for some type of thematic element to interact between the coaster and the train. I don't see a fly-through fitting with that station set-up.

You got a better angle of the drop than I did. Still doesn't quite do it justice though, does it? Good to see all the track on it.

So the curve is rising... That thing is going to be a doozy, let me tell you. I expect it to look like this:
(http://cache.rcdb.com/kbe3o5898co004001gm4d0.jpg)

My mouth dropped when I saw this! If they want my ideas for the new ride: it better have this!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 17, 2012, 09:18:43 PM
^^^^ Holy BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on June 17, 2012, 09:51:36 PM
^^^^ Holy BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

 :o :o ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
It's not as extreme as it looks.  Whereas GG forces their 90° turns into the ride, RMC uses their overbankings in more natural ways.  FTR, that turn shown isn't much more banked than the turn on Powder Keg
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 17, 2012, 11:09:15 PM
^True, but you've got to admit the structure really adds to the effect. This will be a long sweeping turn anyway, so the G's will be sustained for a good while. From what I can tell the overbank would be right up against the train tracks, and then it will drop out of that and continue curving down into the valley until it crosses over or under the base of the first drop.

As for the footers on that side of the station, I simply don't see how they could be for track. Yes, that is the maintenance bay side of the station, but there's no room for a switch track on that side. The only thing that makes sense is a walkway of some sort, potentially the exit, which would explain why it dips so much there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 17, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Isn't that side of the station the maintenance bay? wouldn't th ose footers have something to do with that?
I was just thinking that...

If those footers that look set parallel to the track is actually from the matienance bay they would have somehow tied into the track before the lift hill. Here's a pic from the other side, lots more footer I guess it going to be a two way exit ramp.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7219/7386067902_f11d708317.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2012, 10:51:08 PM
The Outlaw trademark has moved into the next stage and is now posted for opposition

There is another trademark that has shown up for Outlaw Run that was filed recently.  So we might get a variation of something with Outlaw in the name.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 19, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
The maintenance bay would be accessed before the station only and then the trains would be backed up to be put back on the main track. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2012, 09:08:27 PM
Really not any different than Powder Keg and Wildfire
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 20, 2012, 06:01:27 PM
I took these on Monday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 20, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
Thanks Wildfire, great pics.

Looks like the top of the curve is not going to be nearly as steep as I had thought it might be, if the top of the bents are any indication. It looks like it actually starts out extremely pitched, but then levels out at the top... Very strange, it'll be hard to really know how it will work until it actually shapes up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Not much more progress from the Sunday photos I have.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on June 21, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
Just a thought on the progress of the coaster, This is my theory on why construction has progressed at such a rapid rate.

RMC stated they had two projects for 2013. An Iron Horse Track project and a full Topper Track project. We know where the topper track project is going (SDC) but work on the Iron Horse project hasn't started anywhere. Could they be accellerating the schedule at SDC so they could get to the other project by say September, October?

Does anyone know if RMC has the ability to do more than one large construction project at a time?

Anyway, just a thought on the construction schedule.

J.ay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 21, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
I doubt that RMC actually has construction crews on staff. I would assume that they contract out to local contractors and merely do design and construction overview. I obviously don't know this for sure but that is my guess.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on June 21, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
Up until recently, all they did was build coasters for other manufactures. Their niche was construction, only until Texas Giant did they have any design credit.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 21, 2012, 09:28:17 PM
I haven't re-read the article that talked about their new facilities for awhile, but it sounded like they were definitely setting themselves up to work on multiple projects at once. I can't imagine all that goes into manufacturing the track. I have no idea how the construction end works. I don't understand how they could do all of the construction with their own staff if they're moving all over the country all the time. That'd have to be some dedicated staff.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 21, 2012, 10:31:38 PM
GCII does it all the time.  Once the crew got done with Prowler they headed to Cali to build Terminator.  In fact some of the crew recognized me when I went out to SFMM the year it was built.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2012, 11:03:58 AM
Right on time, just like I said it would be, the teaser campaign has started.

http://silverdollarcity2013.com
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 22, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
Very cool, and still very early. I can't believe there's still a whole 'nother year before I'll get to ride this thing. I wonder what they'll be doing for the different positions on the teaser campaign?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 22, 2012, 12:24:43 PM
I was wondering that myself I signed up under all 3 using my work emails so I could find out. So according to the countdown the announcement would be august eighth right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 22, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
same thing they did at DW....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on June 22, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
Alright...this looks exciting! It will be fun to watch the countdown clock and wait for the big announcement. It appears from what I've seen on the teaser site they may be going with a Butterfield Stagecoach theme...driver, lawman, etc. If "Outlaw" is on the mark, it could fit in with this...ya know, try to catch an outlaw after he has stolen look from the stagecoach...and so on. Guess we have until mid August to wait! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2012, 11:47:33 PM
RMC stated they had two projects for 2013. An Iron Horse Track project and a full Topper Track project. We know where the topper track project is going (SDC) but work on the Iron Horse project hasn't started anywhere.

Unless my sources are wrong, it's the Rattler that is going iron horse
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on June 23, 2012, 04:01:17 AM
Yeah, that's what I read too. I'm just really surprised they haven't started any work down there yet. Texas Giant closed in November of 2009 to open spring of 2011. Last I heard The Rattler was still open and no construction had begun.

So that's why I thought construction on SDC's coaster being so far advanced, might be because they still needed to get to the iron horse project.

Considering how long it took for the Giant's rehab, do you think they'll be able to get The Rattler open in 2013?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 23, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
"2013" is relative in Six Flags terms.
That and Rattler is not as big as the Giant.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 23, 2012, 11:31:48 AM
I'm pretty sure rattler is actaully bigger than texas giant
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 23, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
Rattler is bigger in 2 ways, its taller and its longer. But the drop on the Giant has it beat by around 23 ft.

http://rcdb.com/2.htm

http://rcdb.com/56.htm

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 23, 2012, 10:49:28 PM
San Antonio is on our 4 year vacation radar.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 24, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Bigger is relative.  While its stats are bigger, the structure is not as it is built on the quarry wall, which is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 24, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
Ive got some new photos from today uploading to flickr right now!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 24, 2012, 02:53:11 PM
ok here you go here are 45 photos of the new coaster from today! They have the motor for the lift in and quite a bit of the first turn after the drop. they also have new posters up on the fence for the Silverdollarcity2013 site. except for being super hot today was a great day to go because there weren't many people there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/witt_family_5/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 24, 2012, 03:10:01 PM
[thanks SDC#1fan
What a great set of pics.  Looks like they are getting the base anchors for the overpitched hill in place. Should be a great ride.
I cant help but wonder what is down in that hollow that we cant see. Maybe someone like Swoosh with his connections can get in that valley and get us some pics.  I would love to see some spoiler pics  :o :o.
Anyway, thanks for bearing the heat to get us some more pics. I skip the city when it gets like this, just cant do it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 24, 2012, 03:24:07 PM
those are some great pics. I am sure it was slow there tday with this 100 heat and the humidity that is at the park... Thanks..!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 24, 2012, 03:33:03 PM
it was super hot. we were back in the car by 11:50!!! The train robbers messed there lines up more times than i have ever seen but they handled it in a funny way. It must have been the heat!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 24, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
Wow, that post-drop turn is really looking strange. I don't know if it's doing a flip, a bank, leveling out, or what. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the track actually go up there. You got some great angles of the drop too.

The station does look more and more like a stagecoach stop. It also looks like there will indeed be a walkway going over the track that dips out of the station.

Thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on June 24, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Awesome, best set of pics yet! This coaster is going to be amazing. I've been visiting here for awhile and decided to join in! Great site...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 24, 2012, 08:44:08 PM
Best pics yet!  That corner sure does appear to be inverted!  Looks like a roll to me!  I am so pumped for this!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sodapopjunkie on June 24, 2012, 10:33:09 PM
Just joined, love the site!

We were at SDC today and you could really see the angle of the drop when on the top of Wildfire.  If it's only 81 degrees I will be surprised.  It looks completely vertical.  I didn't have a clue there was a new coaster going in.  We didn't ride the train and my kids won't ride the giant swing.  It isn't obvious from anywhere else in the park.

We drove around the roads near SDC trying to get a good view of the new coaster, but couldn't find any that provided a decent view.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 25, 2012, 03:11:12 AM
ok here you go here are 45 photos of the new coaster from today!

Hooo-yaaaahhhh!

The Witt Family has some megapixels, and ain't afraid to use 'em!

Those are some great pics, by far the best we've seen. Not just the technical quality (excellent), but also the detail they reveal. That over-pitch turn, inversion, roll, whatever it is... that's awesome!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 25, 2012, 03:15:02 AM
Just joined, love the site!

Welcome aboard! This is the place to be for all things SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 25, 2012, 05:43:59 AM
welcome sodapop!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 25, 2012, 07:08:18 AM
well due to the popularity of my photos i guess ill just have to go every weekend to get more!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 25, 2012, 07:54:55 AM
Omg Amazing! Now if you go back and read you will see I had posted on here that rumor around the park is that this ride would have a inversion! I was actually told that by a few people when I asked around. Now I personally did not like the idea. However for some reason the idea that the inversion would be a zero g roll never even came to mind but if that is the reality then bring it on! Just think about those head choppers going upside down and through that wooden structure! Sick! Seriously gonna be sick! Gosh I can't wait for track to go up so we know for sure!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 25, 2012, 08:02:27 AM
Chcek out this link from a German coaster site they have a bunch of pics.  Scross to the bottom and
loot where they have drawn on the photo.  Looks like we may just have a G Roll here after all.

http://www.coasterfriends.de/forum/4097-neu-2013-holzachterbahn-silver-dollar-city-2.html

Scroll to the bottom.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 25, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
^They don't really have a bunch of pics, they're just posting photos from flikr that were originally uploaded by people here. I'm still withholding some doubt about the roll, but anything is possible these days. It just doesn't seem right...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 25, 2012, 09:44:32 AM
well due to the popularity of my photos i guess ill just have to go every weekend to get more!

Please do, your camera takes great pics...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 25, 2012, 09:47:55 AM
I agree. I dont think there will be an inversion either. I just dont see it working out for them. But if there is one I owe someone a funnel cake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on June 25, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
That is true.it is the same exact photos that have been posted on here.  But with that being said i still believe that there will be an inversion. Maybe i am wrong but i have heard it from a pretty reliable source. But then again nothing is true until it is built!  If it is not true,  i will be sad.  I just hope that if there is an inversion, it is a natural way of doing.  I thing a zero g roll would flow nicely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: golfprowj on June 25, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
Just joined. You guys do some great work. You know your stuff... we'll be there on the 20-22. cant wait to see the new project
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 25, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
Welcome golfpro!
have a great trip!
do you have someplace to stay yet? check this out!
http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=2014.msg42610;topicseen#new
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on June 25, 2012, 04:26:29 PM
Wow, I can't wait! This is looking great. If Texas Giant is to be any indication of how great this ride is going to be, then we should all be VERY excited! Thanks to everyone who has taken the liberty of uploading some pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 25, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
I agree. I dont think there will be an inversion either. I just dont see it working out for them. But if there is one I owe someone a funnel cake.

Roller coaster database still shows no inversions for this coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 25, 2012, 07:26:29 PM
im just glad to see my photos are making it all the way to germany!! and the camera i am using is just the one on my phone. I think i will be going back next week for the 4th so i will get more pics then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on June 25, 2012, 08:01:29 PM

Roller coaster database still shows no inversions for this coaster.

As that would be accurate based on current facts because the guy behind RCDB doesn't know the full details of the ride yet. If that element does becomes an inversion he'll be updating it accordingly. We will know soon enough about that element but based on the pictures it sure does look like a 0-G Roll Inversion here based on the current footer positions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 25, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
RCDB doesn't update until they have a confirmed status. It's not like RCDB's editor is in the know about what the layout is going to be.

The more I look over those photos, the more I can't see any other way the track could go without being inverted. It's a really bizarre set of bents, and the roll is facing outside of the curve it's going through, so it seems all wrong. Let's just hope those new trains are good enough to maneuver this kind of thing smoothly. Honestly, I think having inversions will make me more apprehensive about how good this ride will turn out rather than getting me excited. Most coasters associated with breaking limits like this are also associated with discomfort.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 25, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
I actually would prefer no inversions myself.  I'm really excited about the theme, though!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 25, 2012, 09:19:53 PM
I'm with "Flash" in Germany: it will possibly be the world's first woody with a zero-G roll, and from what we can see so far, it looks very intense!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 25, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
If it is a zero-g roll, I hope they go with iron horse track here and not just topper track.  We'll see, I guess.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 25, 2012, 09:39:29 PM
It seems we are seeing the reinvention of the rollercoaster and SDC is ground zero
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 25, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
I don't think anyone who hasn't seen the ride in person realizes how crazy this section of track is. I keep trying to explain it, but it probably doesn't make any sense.

Right after the big drop, the track lifts up and pitches hard to the right like you're going up into an overbanked curve - but the pitch happens suspiciously quickly. From what I can tell of the new bents, it looks like this extreme bit of banking curves the course to the left a bit, but then while the track is still heading uphill the banking levels out and goes into a roll that flips riders to the RIGHT, coming out of the roll the footers sweep left again past the train tracks and down into the valley back towards the base of the first drop.

So basically this roll is both uphill and goes to the right in the middle of a giant left turn, all executed when the train is going at it's fastest. That's going to be crazy to say the least.

Oh yeah, I made this super crappy MS Paint drawing of the layout so far in case anyone wants to know where the track is going: http://i.imgur.com/UBdAK.jpg  It might just confuse you more though.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 26, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
If it is a zero-g roll, I hope they go with iron horse track here and not just topper track.  We'll see, I guess.

From an engineering standpoint, plus maintenance issues from stress, rider experience, and just plain old theming fun, it makes sense  to "break out" a section of track into all metal before returning to wood.

The current SDC coaster theming, starting with FITH, all involve (I think) some degree of "OH CRAP WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!", because it appears that the track is broken, or we're plunging into a hole and are about to be decapitated, etc.

Some PK-esque twisted broken track that is visible to the riders, while the actual track they're riding is not, would fit that theme well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 26, 2012, 10:48:26 AM
Gotta say, I think the coolest element of this entire ride is that fact that so much of it will not be visible before you ride. As much as I want to see the final product, I just love how much of it is secluded.

This ride will break at least one record. If that happens to be the inclusion of an inversion, I trust it will be done the right way and not thrown in as a gimmick. I'll take a traditional ride with great characteristics over one that's ultimately flawed just because someone got overzealous trying to push the envelope.

Outside of Buzzsaw Falls, I think we can all agree HFEC has hit all of it's marks with new major attractions. I expect more of the same with this one.

Really looking forward to less waiting on PK once this thing opens as well. If you head to the park the right time of the year, you can almost ride all of the coasters as much as you want in a single visit.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2012, 02:30:39 PM
Caboose gone. :'(
Commence mourning... and go.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 26, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Caboose gone. :'(
Commence mourning... and go.

Lame. So now both of the cabooses are gone? Any clues as to where they were sent?

I guess we can hold out hope that they show up again somewhere, but I bet they were either sold off or trashed...

And BackInTime, don't expect to wait any less for PK in 2013. In fact, expect all the ride lines to grow quite a bit. I expect their attendance to skyrocket like it has every time they have added a new coaster, and with more big rides come more visitors who are visiting for no other reason than to ride the rides. I remember back in the days when many of the ride lines were short because most of the people in the park weren't actually riding much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
I heard it was chopped into pieces and removed.
I'd say it isn't coming back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 26, 2012, 04:45:00 PM
^^ Shave, I'm not talking peak season. Totally agree that attendance will more than likely be up across the board, but after the summer rush, the park attendance and almost all of the lines regress on most weekend visits. Just my opinion, but it makes for a much more enjoyable visit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 26, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
I loved the cabooses. Its like loosing a friend. RIP cabooses.  :'( :'( :'( It is truly a sad day indeed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 26, 2012, 06:21:03 PM
I was thinking maybe they could move the caboose to another part of  the train journey but it could be so old it fell apart when they tried something like that.  Hopefully they'll come up with another one to stick somewhere on the train ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 26, 2012, 06:21:46 PM
they should have added the cabooses onto the trains! Anyone know if they were ever on the train?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 26, 2012, 06:23:52 PM
IF they wanted to save and relocate the caboose they can/will? should have?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 26, 2012, 06:24:55 PM
They could have added it to the train wreck. They put one of the old cars down there so they could have added a caboose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 26, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
Funny thing, I actually saw a caboose on a freight train about a year ago on a track in Eastern Ark. So, I asked my logistics guru Brother and he said on occasion that they are used so that sensitive freight that has high probability of theft attempts (Nike Shoes) can be watched  24/7. He was in charge of the ATT distribution center at the launch of the Iphone. They had folks all over trying to steal shipments in route to the DC in Memphis. Even with gps tracking devices embedded, they lost one container full that was jacked in Mississippi at a truck stop, likely the driver was involved and out of the port of Miami before the FBI got there. Cuban Mafia were the likely culprits.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: golfprowj on June 27, 2012, 11:33:08 AM
any chance that this coaster coould open sooner than we think?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on June 27, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
I know that the main entrance to the new ride will be through Wilson's Farm, but does anyone think that it will connect to the FITH/Opera House side? Or it will be a dead end?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 27, 2012, 12:25:25 PM
^It will be a dead end. They aren't going to add another crossing unless they absolutely have to. Besides, that area between FITH and the Opera House has a lot of back-stage kinda stuff.

^^No, the coaster will open in 2013. Perhaps a few lucky souls involved with the project will get to ride it this year, and maybe they'll have a commercial shoot on it in the fall, but I wouldn't look for any soft-openings this year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 27, 2012, 12:31:17 PM
agree with you shave.... 

along with the fact their is a service entrance betweem FITH and OH. They will not do away with that.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 27, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
Wouldnt be cool if they did allow a select few fans ride the new coaster at the end of the year/beginning of next year? Like held a contest, or raffle? Winner gets to ride new coaster, get first look of new area before anyone else. They could choose about 25 lucky winners.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 27, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
^It will be a dead end. They aren't going to add another crossing unless they absolutely have to. Besides, that area between FITH and the Opera House has a lot of back-stage kinda stuff.

^^No, the coaster will open in 2013. Perhaps a few lucky souls involved with the project will get to ride it this year, and maybe they'll have a commercial shoot on it in the fall, but I wouldn't look for any soft-openings this year.

I still think you'll see a loop around to Grand exposition one day.  They'll conceal the train maintinence and relocate everything else. What would be neat is if they rebuilt the maintinance shed for the train as a roundhouse, now that would be old school theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on June 27, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
Wouldnt be cool if they did allow a select few fans ride the new coaster at the end of the year/beginning of next year? Like held a contest, or raffle? Winner gets to ride new coaster, get first look of new area before anyone else. They could choose about 25 lucky winners.

Better yet, they should all of us diehards on the forum!!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 27, 2012, 04:33:56 PM
What I would give to be on that first train load! I'm getting so excited about this ride! :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 27, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
1. Hobo Jct caboose still there.  Caboose that was behind old robbers shack was the one that got chopped up.

2. The new train carriages have arrived are being installed on the 2nd train.

3. Yes that's an inversion. It is now tracked. Photos tomorrow on MiG
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 27, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
Wow, pretty sweet. I'm glad the hobo junction caboose is still there then, but that still sucks about the other caboose because it was historic as well. It was never really on display or anything, and I doubt it fit the time period, but they don't make em' like that anymore and I'm sure there are people who would have appreciated it. I'm sure it was dilapidated though.

So now what are the chances there will be more inversions? Seems like if they were able to work this one in so well in such an odd location the rest of the layout is probably full of them too. Personally I'm hoping for airtime hills instead...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 27, 2012, 07:59:41 PM
Wow, pretty sweet. I'm glad the hobo junction caboose is still there then, but that still sucks about the other caboose because it was historic as well. It was never really on display or anything, and I doubt it fit the time period, but they don't make em' like that anymore and I'm sure there are people who would have appreciated it. I'm sure it was dilapidated though.

So now what are the chances there will be more inversions? Seems like if they were able to work this one in so well in such an odd location the rest of the layout is probably full of them too. Personally I'm hoping for airtime hills instead...

Me too, Shave
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 27, 2012, 09:55:56 PM
3. Yes that's an inversion. It is now tracked. Photos tomorrow on MiG

Bazinga!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 27, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
3. Yes that's an inversion. It is now tracked. Photos tomorrow on MiG

Bazinga!  ;D

Anything else? After all we haven't seen over half the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2012, 10:23:49 AM
Photos from 06.27.12
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/project2013/06.27.12/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 28, 2012, 11:36:04 AM
swoosh, another great set of pics.. Lots of work has been done since i was there 2 weeks ago!,
wont be back until the 21st, should be alot more done by then!..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 28, 2012, 11:47:05 AM
The approach into the roll is incredible. I was remarking on how steep and tightly banked it was already back when I saw it earlier this month. Wish we could get a shot from the other side.

At least now we know it's going upside down...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on June 28, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
At least now we know it's going upside down...

(You know what they say about assuming, but) I would assume this will impact the ride restraints? I don't know that much about roller-coasters, but I would imagine you'll have more than a simple lap-bar restraint for this type of ride element?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
I also got confirmation that the announcement will be made on August 9th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on June 28, 2012, 01:07:01 PM
I am hoping it's is a Lap Bar like the ones on Mr. Freeze http://www.rcdb.com/427.htm?p=21685 and not a Over the Shoulder Restraint. They use Lap Bars on the premier rides and the new Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter built this year on Iron Shark at Galveston Island Historic Pier: http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2012/06/galvestons-newest-thrill-iron-shark.html . I am thinking the restraints will probably be along the lines of what's being used on Iron Shark since Gerstlauer provided the trains for the New Texas Giant Project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 28, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
^Good point about the Gerstlauer trains on NTAG, since RMC has obviously taken cues from the other companies they've worked with surely the Gerstlauer trains are where they'd look first when coming up with their own design. Whether or not they use OTSR depends on a variety of factors that have nothing to do with actual safety though, including those damn insurance companies, clueless state officials, the park itself, etc... Oftentimes "safety theatre" is more important that actual safety requirements, but I'm sure they're smart enough now to really push for the lap-bar only design. I'm thankful that most firms are seeing the light and going that way now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Let's not forget, we're talking about the same lawyers who made the park turn the backwards carts around on TNT
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on June 28, 2012, 05:09:47 PM
Early guesses on the height req. for this ride??
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 28, 2012, 05:42:34 PM
There's definitely more that goes into restraints than just proper engineering. That said, while I'm not an engineer, I would think lap bar only is fine for a short duration inversion with positive Gs. Zero G at longer duration, not so much. And it goes without saying that any negative G requires enhanced restraints.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 28, 2012, 06:14:55 PM
Let's not forget, we're talking about the same lawyers who made the park turn the backwards carts around on TNT

I've never understood this given the amount of rides like boomerangs and such that go forward and backwards. It sounds like a good cover for the real reason. The lines for the reverse seats on Thunderation were always shorter  and oftern empty  and causing pileups on forward facing seat bays on busy days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2012, 06:48:53 PM
48" or 52"
Depends on if OTSR or lap bar
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on June 28, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
Swoosh,
Thanks for the updates...the pictures with the captions are great...Keep up the good work...
Also, thanks to everybody who have provided pictures and updates for this new project...I can't wait to get back to SDC next year...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on June 28, 2012, 10:31:21 PM
Swoosh, thanks for the photos. Progress is very rapid. Things are looking good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on June 29, 2012, 01:32:27 AM
OT, but weren't the TnT cars changed because they were never built to go backwards in the first place? I thought someone had said they cost a lot to maintain and that's why they were changed finally.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2012, 09:10:16 AM
^ They were changed due to liability insurance being higher if they ran some cars backwards
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on June 29, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
I just now looked at Swoosh's pictures. I gotta say, I'm starting to get really excited about this new ride!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 29, 2012, 05:57:02 PM
That German site has been updated with Swoosh's latest MiG photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 30, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
we will be heading down there thursday the 5th and will get some more pics then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 30, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
^Awesome. If I lived closer I would be trying to get updates every few days during the next few weeks. Pretty much the entire enthusiast world is watching for updates to see what this thing is going to do next!

Something interesting: Jason McManus, a major themed concept designer for the theme park industry, visited SDC a couple weeks ago and was impressed: https://twitter.com/JasonMcManus/status/218709903223693312
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 30, 2012, 11:50:12 PM
Kind of a shame you can't see the full initial drop to help put it into perspective, but kinda nice at the same time. Should be amazing.

By the way, not real news as Swoosh already tipped it a possibility a while back, but Outlaw Run will be the name.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2012, 12:41:36 AM
Kind of a shame you can't see the full initial drop to help put it into perspective, but kinda nice at the same time. Should be amazing.

By the way, not real news as Swoosh already tipped it a possibility a while back, but Outlaw Run will be the name.

Do you have a source? Sounds like an odd variation, and like everything else with this ride, I won't believe it till I see it.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 01, 2012, 08:04:57 AM
Yes, and an extremely reliable one, but I cannot disclose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on July 01, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Hmmm...seems like "Outlaw" it is! We will still have to wait 'til August for the official announcement, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 01, 2012, 11:09:05 AM
WOW! Thanks to everyone who's gotten pics, this ride is looking fantastic. I can't wait!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
Interesting... I guess we'll see.

I have to say I really enjoy the thematic work that we're seeing already. As others have noted, the station looks like it will be themed around a stagecoach depot, and the ride story line looks like it will be based around a stagecoach getting hijacked/robbed and sherriff's going after it. I'm looking forward to seeing more details emerge here. One of my favorite aspects about SDC is still the fact that all the major rides have their own back-stories and immserive thematics so they are part of the city rather than just being random rides plunked down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 01, 2012, 02:13:32 PM
Okay so I was thinking (which is dangerous I know  ;)) but there were concept drawings sometime back with the idea of horses in them. I believe you could sit on the horses and the track was way different, but what if that idea was somehow incorporated into this idea.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 01, 2012, 04:00:51 PM
I remember that concept art, but I wouldn't count on it. That was concept art for a steel track. Not that it couldn't be done...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 01, 2012, 05:05:00 PM
I didnt think the track/horse combo could be used.......and I dont know what made me think of that old concept art either..... ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Lol, that concept art was for a Zamperla motocoaster concept similar to this: http://rcdb.com/4089.htm?p=21895

Put that on a wooden coaster and all the guys who ride it will probably go infertile.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2012, 07:09:19 PM
Okay so I was thinking (which is dangerous I know  ;)) but there were concept drawings sometime back with the idea of horses in them. I believe you could sit on the horses and the track was way different, but what if that idea was somehow incorporated into this idea.......

That may have been a zamperla but other companies make similar rides, I've even seen a jet ski version online/ Here's an Intamin
(http://data.sphosting.ch/Intamin/Media/MotorBike%20Coaster/Big.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 01, 2012, 08:11:29 PM
I think Vekoma might make them too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 01, 2012, 08:19:17 PM
Lol, that concept art was for a Zamperla motocoaster concept similar to this: http://rcdb.com/4089.htm?p=21895

Put that on a wooden coaster and all the guys who ride it will probably go infertile.  ;)

Isn't the topper supposed to make it smooth?

Rather than jostling the jewels, I'd worry more about riding a horse inverted.  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
This will be a "conventional" sit down format coaster.
Sorry
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2012, 09:32:36 PM
This will be a "conventional" sit down format coaster.
Sorry

Yeah, but if they ever wanted a ride like that, they could do a train with horses and in a back a stagecoach themed car for those that dislike the horse format.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 01, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
No I was thinking more along the lines of a sit down as well but in the front they had maybe two horses that look like they are fleeing a murder scene (cannot ride these) and the side looks like its themed to be a stage coach. Kinda like thunderation has a smoke stack at the front. Sides look like a minecar/train
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 02, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
I rode the New Texas Giant for the first time this weekend, and I cannot tell you how amazing it is. I rode in the back car - hands up over the lift, but before the train hit the bottom of the drop, I was holding on. The ride is really awesome!

And to think SDC's coaster is going to have a bigger and steeper drop, it's going to be breathtaking.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2012, 06:14:10 PM
Yes, it is a great ride.  I really like the "disco tunnel" and would love one on Outlaw Run.  What would be awesome is a roll in a tunnel. LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 02, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
What would be awesome is a roll in a tunnel. LOL

A completely dark tunnel, maybe with some strobes. Now we're talking!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 03, 2012, 05:42:59 PM
No I was thinking more along the lines of a sit down as well but in the front they had maybe two horses that look like they are fleeing a murder scene (cannot ride these) and the side looks like its themed to be a stage coach. Kinda like thunderation has a smoke stack at the front. Sides look like a minecar/train

I would guess that they won't take up an entire car lengthy on horses, due to ride capacity, but I can see them doing some sort of theming on the front car. Sort of like how the front of Cheetah Hunt at Busch in Tampa looks like a Cheetah. Then again, it's all just a guess to me!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 04, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
If my math is correct, just 35 or 36 days until the "official" announcement...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 05, 2012, 09:59:17 AM
Aug 9th is the announcement.
I'll be there to give live updates
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 05, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
it will be interesting to find out all of the "details" of the ride............ :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jrkstl on July 05, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
Hello all.  Long time lurker, first time poster.

Just saw these recent pics on the ACE Heart of America Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10151884701990576.872593.125717780575&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.10151884701990576.872593.125717780575&type=1)

Very serious overbank, but not a zero g roll.

This ride just gets more and more interesting!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 05, 2012, 06:48:20 PM
LOL, the surprises keep coming. I don't know though, that track looks pretty much upside down to me. It's a close call, and I'm sure it will be an endless source of fanboy debates, but if it turns riders upside down then it's certainly something. I'll call it a cutback. This also raises the question of whether or not their will be any "true" inversions on this ride, or just debatable sections like this one.

Regardless, the first few elements of this ride are insane. It's just nothing but crazy angles all over the place now. I honestly can't think of any other coaster out there that's quite this twisted. I should also note that one of the RMC guys messaged me on another forum to assuage my fears that any of this could be rough. Apparently they've done their homework to make sure this ride is both crazy intense and smooth.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jrkstl on July 05, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
Yeah, I was thinking that a "cutback" would be a good description too.  From these photo angles, this looks to be the most inverted overbank on any ride that I've seen :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 05, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
I looks like an inversion but not a roll. It's like those curves  banked outwardly on an S&S el loco
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
Quote
I'll call it a cutback. This also raises the question of whether or not their will be any "true" inversions on this ride, or just debatable sections like this one

If you look at the bents it looks like it might just fold under itself, coming back the same direction it came from. Maybe that's the cutback you are talking about.
If so that is a crazy move and one that will certainly be watched by other parks and coaster makers.
That would be exciting and something more to look forward to than just a loop.  Frankly going upside down is much less a thrill to me that overbanked flying turns.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 05, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
Quote
I'll call it a cutback. This also raises the question of whether or not their will be any "true" inversions on this ride, or just debatable sections like this one

If you look at the bents it looks like it might just fold under itself, coming back the same direction it came from. Maybe that's the cutback you are talking about.
If so that is a crazy move and one that will certainly be watched by other parks and coaster makers.

That "crazy move" would be a Crazy Ivan!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote
That "crazy move" would be a Crazy Ivan!
Yes it would. :o :o  I sure don't think I have seen it before on a coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 05, 2012, 09:21:29 PM
Quote
I'll call it a cutback. This also raises the question of whether or not their will be any "true" inversions on this ride, or just debatable sections like this one

If you look at the bents it looks like it might just fold under itself, coming back the same direction it came from. Maybe that's the cutback you are talking about.
If so that is a crazy move and one that will certainly be watched by other parks and coaster makers.
That would be exciting and something more to look forward to than just a loop.  Frankly going upside down is much less a thrill to me that overbanked flying turns.

Eh? That's not what I'm seeing, that sounds like you're talking about a dive loop or something. I was thinking more along the lines of this: http://rcdb.com/112.htm?p=629 but sort of in a more linear fashion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
Quote
Eh? That's not what I'm seeing, that sounds like you're talking about a dive loop or something
Sort of but I am looking at the close proximity to the train tracks, that limits the swoop.  It is an interesting build to watch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 05, 2012, 09:43:34 PM
What are the beams that run from side to side on the lift? It almost looks like it's going to be enclosed.

There also appears to be a solid wall between the load stand and the area of what many think is the exit, sure that's not a fly though?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2012, 10:03:40 PM
Quote
What are the beams that run from side to side on the lift? It almost looks like it's going to be enclosed.
Stairway
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 05, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Quote
What are the beams that run from side to side on the lift? It almost looks like it's going to be enclosed.
Stairway

(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/409574_10151884733140576_1626060277_n.jpg)

They go from one side to another over the track
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
Wow, well I hadnt seen those yet ! :D :D :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 06, 2012, 09:22:27 AM
Upon closer inspection, I'm on board with the prediction of a station fly through.

If you look at the shots of the station where the lift begins (near the lift motor), you'll notice a second opening next to the where the train will exit the station. You'll also see footers waiting for track underneath that opening. From the opposite side of the station where the train will enter, looking left to right, you can clearly see four openings in the side of the station. There's the main opening for the train entry loading/unloading, then you see a smaller opening for a possible fly through section. On the far right you see two openings for dual tracks leading into what will surely be a maintenance bay, which is fulling enclosed on the lift side of the station. In other words. There are four openings on one side of the station, and two on the other. This things just keeps getting better and better as more pieces fall into place.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jrkstl on July 06, 2012, 11:28:59 AM
I too think it appears to be a station fly-through...

I'm also very intrigued by the large beams lying accross the lift.  Could the entire lift hill be a tunnel?  That could be really cool!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 06, 2012, 11:41:02 AM
I don't really know if I would like it if the lift hill were a tunnel; that would take away all the awsome views while going up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on July 06, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
I definitely don't think that is a flythough it is merely an opening so the ride operater can see out of the station in both directions. A flythough opening would have to be at least as big as the loading station opening to be big enough not to be dangerous.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 06, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
How does that explain the footers next to the beginning of the lift hill directly underneath the second opening? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 06, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
How does that explain the footers next to the beginning of the lift hill directly underneath the second opening? 

It was said earlier that those were for the exit. that means the exit would go up and over the drop out of the station. I see them turning like the drop out of the stationlike a track is goingro run alongside it there. I Believe earlier pictures indicated footers on the other side the line up with that opening as well, so I guess there two exits and that seems a long way from the service bays for there to be some kind of shuttle there like Wildfire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 06, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
That dive is looking insane! I think this one might just beat out New Texas Giant. That's a great ride, but this is looking amazing! I can't wait to ride. No real speculation as to what's going on with the things over the lift or a fly through, but I'm VERY excited to ride this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 06, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
I highly doubt there will be a station fly-through. For one thing, there's no point to it with this station setup. It's a GCII move, and it's usually done where it's highly visible to the people waiting in line for crowd interaction. I don't think the opening on the lifthill side is big enough to be a tunnel either, it looks more like a staff entrance or the exit. It would be nice if it were, since that would mean the layout is longer than I think it will be, but I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on July 06, 2012, 05:05:43 PM
I'd have to agree with SDC#1fan Shave and Chittlins I do not think that there is any possible way of incorporating a fly through especially with that small of a window. Footers are there probably for the exit. If there was going to be a fly through the ride would have to cross the train tracks a few more times.

Also there will most likely not be a tunnel over the lift hill. If you look closely in the picture you can see that those boards are not far enough above the lift for the cars to go under. The boards are most likely there temporarily to keep the other boards that are going to soon be the rail along the side of the lift up.

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 06, 2012, 05:24:27 PM
that picture shows them better and that's the side rails for the walkway along side the lift hill. They are laying on the rails and the posts are keeping them there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 06, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
I was in the city this afternoon and got a great view from PK. The turn has taken more shape since the last set of pics and you can get a better sense of where it is heading and it is almost unbelievable to see. We are heading back in the morning. I'll try to snap some shots from the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: themeparkguy on July 07, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
Will this be a bit like buzz saw- new inversion on a wood coaster- SDC will share the cost with the builder- so both will have a show piece?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 08, 2012, 02:27:58 PM
New pic up at themeparkreview.  All I can say is wow!  http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=162&sid=2d3c70d737f9064c07919b789542f4cb&start=740
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on July 08, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
This turn is truly going to be intense!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 08, 2012, 03:35:55 PM
holy.............crap
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 08, 2012, 03:52:19 PM
What's lost in that picture is how you get to the top where you nearly get nearly completely upside down.  There are now two known insane elements, the drop and this and we are clueless as to what's in the ravine.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 08, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
That reverse is fast!  :o

Then there's a long hard steeply banked left that's really going to plant your butt in the seat.

This is going to be simply amazing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 08, 2012, 05:46:03 PM
^^Nope, RMC's technology is much farther along than Premier's was so there's no need to have any ride be much of a guinea pig. It's easier to rapid prototype and model these days, so you really don't see many large-scale prototype rides like Buzzsaw anymore.

Here's the newest set from chadster: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1201447#p1201447

Looks like they're back to some really quick construction again. Of course it helps that the bents are smaller in this section. It looks like the bents for the last part of the turn are almost all in place, and it looks like it is lifting into an airtime hill. Of course at this point, it could be doing anything and we won't know until they finally track it. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on July 10, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
This all looks awesome guys!!! Keep the updates coming for those of us that can't go there all the time. Thanks :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on July 10, 2012, 02:39:50 PM
Spoke to a nice young man working at Lost River on Sunday. He said that as far as he had heard, "The Outlaw" would be the name and he confirmed a 81* drop. He said he lived next door to a bunch of the construction workers and consequently had heard a lot about the ride. Now I wish I has asked him about a tunnel... :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 10, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
yes, i have been wondering about the tunnel.. ???

BUT been a little hesitant to mention it,,,,, ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on July 10, 2012, 05:11:47 PM
Looks like this project is going to be a real winner...hmmm just a few weeks until the "official" announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 10, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
Has anyone that signed up for e-mails about the new coaster on the SDC 2013 site gotten anything yet?  I haven't.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 10, 2012, 10:43:38 PM
Nothing's been sent out yet, but I hear they might start teasing a little more leading up to the announcement. Today they mentioned the 2013 site again on their Facebook and Twitter pages. They've been a lot more reserved about it than DW, but then again, they really haven't needed to say anything to get the whole world talking about SDC. So far this is the top ride of 2013 next to CP's new B&M, but I think this one is more exciting to watch, and will probably be a more exciting ride even. 

Haven't heard anyone else mention a tunnel... if it were able to be spotted from the train I think Swoosh or chadster would have spotted it by now, but there are so many secrets this ride still holds that I am hesitant to make any more speculation as to what it may or may not have. We've only seen about a quarter of the layout so far at best.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 11, 2012, 07:39:41 AM
tunnel???     :-X :-X
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 11, 2012, 09:45:11 AM
29 days...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 11, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
You'll probably have to wait until late July or August for any more major updates from me or chadster. I'm heading out to California and he's going on the Leviathan trip with TPResidue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 11, 2012, 11:19:23 AM
You'll probably have to wait until July for any more major updates from me or chadster. I'm heading out to California and he's going on the Leviathan trip with TPResidue.

Well, it's July :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 11, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
Nothing's been sent out yet, but I hear they might start teasing a little more leading up to the announcement. Today they mentioned the 2013 site again on their Facebook and Twitter pages. They've been a lot more reserved about it than DW, but then again, they really haven't needed to say anything to get the whole world talking about SDC. So far this is the top ride of 2013 next to CP's new B&M, but I think this one is more exciting to watch, and will probably be a more exciting ride even. 

Haven't heard anyone else mention a tunnel... if it were able to be spotted from the train I think Swoosh or chadster would have spotted it by now, but there are so many secrets this ride still holds that I am hesitant to make any more speculation as to what it may or may not have. We've only seen about a quarter of the layout so far at best.

They've also got a small ad for the 2013 site in this week's Pathfinder.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: WolfHunter on July 13, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
This may have already been adressed but has anyone else noticed the part where (riders POV) you twist clockwise 180* and then a 270* ish counter clockwise into a bank? I think I saw that earlier...
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 14, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
This may have already been adressed but has anyone else noticed the part where (riders POV) you twist clockwise 180* and then a 270* ish counter clockwise into a bank? I think I saw that earlier...

I don't think anyone used those terms, but yes, we noticed. The "twists" part you mention, are coming out of a right turn, then go into a left turn, at least as far as we can tell from the available photos.

I commented earlier on how very quickly the inversion reverses direction. The g-forces will depend on speed at that point, but if there's any significant forward speed at all, the quick reversal will create a brief but serious -G.

Over-shoulder restraints will definitely be required for strong -G features.

I'm just speculating like everyone else, with the limited information we have.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 14, 2012, 01:19:34 AM
^What part are you talking about? Is it something that was just built, or are you talking about this thing:

(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/silver_dollar_city_7_10.jpg)

Right now there are really only two elements that we've seen, and both have been widely discussed by enthusiasts for the last month.

I'll bet those turns after the inverted turnaround are coming together by now. Unfortunately I don't know of anyone who is going anytime soon who will post photos. It looks like I may be headed down there the day before the announcement with family, but by the time I get my photos posted we'll probably have all the details.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 14, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
I will be at the city next weekend (Sunday 22nd).  Will try to get pics then...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 14, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
I will be at the city next weekend (Sunday 22nd).  Will try to get pics then...

We'll be there Fri - Sun as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on July 19, 2012, 10:18:10 AM
First Clue Posted

https://www.facebook.com/Silverdollarcity/app_6009294086
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 19, 2012, 11:06:18 AM
Interesting..... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Enjoy on July 19, 2012, 11:42:14 AM
Here is a video that was shot from the train on Monday 7/16/2012.
This footage was not filmed by me, but by Daryl Bertrand.

       Video by Daryl Bertrand  (http://youtu.be/bufivAl3uck) 

Below are screen grabs from the video

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC5-1.jpg)
00:03 - For the Caboose lovers

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC1.jpg)
00:11 - First Element

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC2.jpg)
00:16 - Exit transition of First Element

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC3.jpg)
00:25 - Transition into Airtime Hill after First Element?

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC4.jpg)
00:49 - Lift Hill with Wooden Handrails

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC5.jpg)
00:52 - ??? Some type of element near or over the bottom of the First Drop??? This could be a Hi-Speed Turn

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC6.jpg)
01:11 - Back of Station

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDC7.jpg)
01:17 - Bents Construction for return to Station

Thanks Daryl for the footage.

       Video by Daryl Bertrand  (http://youtu.be/bufivAl3uck) 

Enjoy
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on July 19, 2012, 12:00:47 PM
"Western Missouri Stagecoach Company"  ??? ??? Why not the Butterfield Stage?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 19, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
I'm loving the detail they put into the first clue, and those new photos are great.

I'm going to wager a guess that the tiny glimpse of new bents we are seeing is indeed a high-speed 90-degree or more turnaround, but I hate to speculate anything at this point. That twisting is intense coming off the cutback.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 19, 2012, 01:59:49 PM
"The Good Guys Always Win" certainly seems to be a slogan for the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Enjoy on July 20, 2012, 10:43:27 AM
Here is one more interesting image to get the creative juices flowing while we wait for an official update. I enlarged one of the still images from the video by 200% to show detail. This image was taken directly under the lift looking toward the first drop area.

Is this structure going to give us a "head-chopper" effect during the first drop while the train is at full speed? The structure appears to be either directly over the valley of the first drop or right beside it.

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/matthamm/SDC%20New%20Coaster/SDCZoom.jpg)
00:52 - Possible "head-chopper" enlarged 200%

It is hard to know for sure by the unpredictable nature of this coaster so far, but I would say there is a good possibility for it. What do you think?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 20, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Okay so the lady in the letter is heading west. So that got me ta thinking.....is the lift hill facing west? That would be a neat detail to me anyway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 20, 2012, 02:18:46 PM
Yes it faces west
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 22, 2012, 03:20:45 PM
I got some pics today. They are starting the turn that goes through the lift. They also put up a HUGE banner blocking some of the construction down in the valley.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/83210708@N05/

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 22, 2012, 03:25:46 PM
Party poopers. I want the banner when the year is over!!! What would I do with it you ask? That I dont know.... ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 22, 2012, 04:20:01 PM
Great photos mammalone, thanks!

Geez, a giant banner? Now that's either a tease, or they're just really tired of people asking when it will open  ::). What part of the ride is it covering up? Is it right after then tunnel?

There's definitely a little airtime hop on the approach to the lift under/over pass. That's good to see. By the way, it was pointed out on TPR that the track might actually go over the lift instead of through it because the opening in the lift is smaller than it looks and may just be for maintenance, but we'll see for sure soon enough.

I also like your shot of the fakeout/cutback (I'm starting to lean towards 'fakeout' as a name) element, it really shows that it is about as inverted as you can get.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 22, 2012, 05:19:15 PM
Shave, the banner is after you pass the new ride station and is on your left. They've erected a really tall wooden fence and then boom, there is the banner. It's so big. Makes me think something really interesting is going on down there and they don't want it revealed until the announcement...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 22, 2012, 07:21:15 PM
I also like your shot of the fakeout/cutback (I'm starting to lean towards 'fakeout' as a name) element, it really shows that it is about as inverted as you can get.

The lateral forces on that are going to be really something. It's going to really whip you side-to-side and back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 22, 2012, 08:20:41 PM
Word to the wise, dont ride it if you recently had shoulder/neck surgery. I did that once when I was little and I rode the Boss when it like first opened. Sucked butt.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 22, 2012, 08:36:52 PM
So whens the copter shots from overhead going to come? ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 22, 2012, 08:43:08 PM
So whens the copter shots from overhead going to come? ;D

Time for a Parrot AR (http://ardrone2.parrot.com/)?

http://www.dronejournalismlab.org/

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 24, 2012, 12:04:59 PM
"Western Missouri Stagecoach Company"  ??? ??? Why not the Butterfield Stage?
copyright infringement?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on July 24, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
In recent years there was a Butterfield Stagecoach bus company that operated a similar route as the ole stagecoach in southwestern states. I remember seeing some of the buses and they had a scene of a stagcoach on the side. Don't know if it is a true copyright issue or not, but it could be. I do wish they would have gone for the Butterfield name instead of what they chose...but hey, it's still early...concepts change. Maybe they will change it to Butterfield before the announcement is made or before the ride opens in the spring.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 24, 2012, 05:42:34 PM
In recent years there was a Butterfield Stagecoach bus company that operated a similar route as the ole stagecoach in southwestern states. I remember seeing some of the buses and they had a scene of a stagcoach on the side. Don't know if it is a true copyright issue or not, but it could be. I do wish they would have gone for the Butterfield name instead of what they chose...but hey, it's still early...concepts change. Maybe they will change it to Butterfield before the announcement is made or before the ride opens in the spring.

I seriously doubt it. It's almost like Tom And Huck in that respect.

There's Butterfield everything in NWA from Lowell's repro stage coach to elementary schools to retirement communities.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 25, 2012, 10:12:50 PM
Talked to a buddy tonight who has seen the animated POV videos both from the front of the train and the back. I guess we'll probably get to see those on the 9th. Anyway, he just said it looks crazy--one inversion, no tunnel. I, of course, got on him for not paying more attention to details. Hello!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 25, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
^Interesting. Good to know that it looks crazy, and that they aren't going to go crazy with inversions, though I wouldn't have minded another one like what we've seen already. I do think there's much more to be seen on this coaster. Like I said on TPR:

It's worth noting that unless there is something big going on down in the valley that we can't see, this ride may actually be pretty short. I expect that there is a lot more going on down there that we can't see because of that. Right now we know that there's an awesome drop, a crazy inverted element, then a few curves that ultimately lead to a cross over or under the lift and into the next valley. We don't see anything else until the curve up the hill back into the station.

Here's another thought: since there's so much of a grade between the bottom of the valley and the station, the train will still have to be pulling some serious ass at the end in order to make it back up to the station. That is further evidence that it may end up being on the shorter side, but at the very least they will probably use that momentum to end with a big finish somehow. There have to be more big secrets behind this coaster that have yet to be revealed. You just don't start out with two jaw dropping elements and then do nothing but typical curves and bunny hills with the rest of the layout.

I think I mentioned this before, but it looks like I'll actually be going to the park on the day of the announcement. Wish I had a smart phone so that I could actually get to see the reveal online since I doubt they'll do anything big on-park, but we'll see. I might need to have someone else update the site and FB page. We probably shouldn't be the last people to be espousing the big news.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2012, 12:19:16 AM
There is a huge media gala on the 9th that I will be attending which has the Marketing/Public Relations Depts almost giddy with anticipation.  Lisa Rau emailed me today saying that Erin and Martha had sent out the press packets today in the mail and that they should be arriving soon.  Sounds like some, if not all, of us will get to go down in the valley on the 9th for photos.  Pretty excited.  Haven't heard the M/PR depts this excited in a long time - well probably since Wildfire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 26, 2012, 10:48:54 AM
^^Oh wow, very cool. I hadn't heard anything about it, so I assumed they were just doing an online reveal like some other parks have. I'm glad they're doing it big. If they let the GP near I'll definitely be there. Can't wait to see those photos from in the valley.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 26, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
I sincerely hope the massive barrier blocking our view of the valley is well justified and not a veiled tactic to continue the momentum this ride has already generated. I agree that it would be hard to not imagine more real surprises with the announcement given the fact that two major and impressive elements have taken shape in plain view. Certainly looks like HFEC is looking to knock one out of the park here. Hope that assumption comes to fruition. Also hope this winds up being significantly longer than the existing coasters in the park. But at the end of that day, I'm just thrilled to see the mere inclusion of this one finally gracing SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
Little birdie just dropped off this tidbit of information.

"The Park’s Biggest Investment in the Past Decade - $10 Million Highly-Themed New Attraction"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 26, 2012, 08:19:27 PM
Only $10 million? Hmm, well wood coasters are a lot cheaper than the all-steel coasters, and this one is fairly low to the ground in a lot of places, but that's still just a bit lower than I expected.

There's definitely not going to be a mid-course break run on this thing, so I don't see them being able to have more than two trains running at once, so the layout can't be terribly long in order to keep capacity moving.

I'm not complaining or trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm always trying to figure out where to set my expectations with this thing. So far every expectation of mine has been broken, but I don't think that will go on indefinitely as they go farther down the layout. There's only one spot left on this ride where we don't have a good idea of what's going to happen, and that's way down in the bottom of the near valley. There could be something interesting taking shape there, or it will just roar through with a series of quick curves and bunny hops before curving back up to the station.

In terms of the scope of the experience, this could be a lot like Wildfire in that the ride will be fairly short, yet sweet with a good drop, few sweet elements, and a new train design that compliments the ride.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong again, who knows at this point. Just don't set your expectations on this thing being a mile long.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2012, 09:40:56 PM
We're sworn to secrecy - just wait to until you hear/see the surprise. ;)

Also, I remember hearing/posting/saying that this was the *smallest* of the 3 big projects planned.  Now that we have a dollar figure, that sort of helps support that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 26, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Can you refresh my memory? Were you talking smallest of three big projects planned for SDC, RMC or HFEC parks in general? I do recall you saying a while back that you still anticipated seeing a Mystery Mine type addition coming to SDC relatively soon, or did I misunderstand?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
SDC. and yes, the talk at the time was the largest of the 3 projects would be a MM style heavily themed ride... and with the advancements they have made on the supports being used now for that style of coaster, I would say that the chances are better now than they were a few years ago.

So... who's excited to see what secrets hide in the woods. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 26, 2012, 11:20:08 PM
SDC. and yes, the talk at the time was the largest of the 3 projects would be a MM style heavily themed ride... and with the advancements they have made on the supports being used now for that style of coaster, I would say that the chances are better now than they were a few years ago.

So... who's excited to see what secrets hide in the woods. :)

A MM style ride is great considering that Gerstlauer seems to be getting this ride perfected, Still like my ideal that each carload gets in an elevator to go down the shaft only for it to be a 15 to 25 ft drop tower type thing that freefalls to actual loading platform. Sorry, wrong thread. I'm like you, we need something on rails where the feet dangle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2012, 11:54:39 PM
When I said "supports" I mean the harnesses/lapbars being used.  Sorry the wording might have made it a little unclear.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on July 27, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Hmmmmmm....I'm getting jittery....this sounds like a big, big announcement coming up in a couple of weeks or so! Keep us up to date with details and photos as you can Swoosh! (By the way, thanks for all the links to the MIG trip reports in the last few days.) I think I'm ready to head west on the stagecoach and do my part to keep riders safe on the journey. Those mean ole outlaws don't stand a chance! Yeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwww! :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 27, 2012, 07:38:01 AM
13 days!!!! I want another clue!!! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 27, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
I'm on the edge of my seat as well, waiting for the big announcement!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 27, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
Well my earlier info was a little off, actually I just misunderstood it a bit. I'm almost afraid to say it outright so ill throw a clue at you guys: on fire in the hole this thing used to be leakin water above your head.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on July 27, 2012, 02:43:32 PM
The water tower? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 27, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Oh that's right it's a water tower. Ha for some reason I was thinking it was a barrel.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 27, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
So is it going to have a barrel roll?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 27, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
"Here's a Barrel of laughs!"  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 27, 2012, 05:18:20 PM
I guess my clue was a bust. haha. Yep Wildfire, I hear there's a barrel roll down the valley...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 27, 2012, 06:14:34 PM
Interesting. I've also heard that there will be no more inversions on this thing, so I guess it's anyone's guess at this point. People keep asking if the fake-out/cutback/whatever is a barrel roll or not. You would have thought that with all the angles we have of it now people would get the idea... Still dieing to see a train go through it.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 27, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Agree Shave, thats why I was confused. Then I asked specifically if they were referring to the element after the drop, they said nope this one is down in the valley. I'm pretty sure it's hiding behind the banner.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 27, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
Very nice!  This ride is just full of surprises.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coasterbill42 on July 27, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
I got some pics today. They are starting the turn that goes through the lift. They also put up a HUGE banner blocking some of the construction down in the valley.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/83210708@N05/




Hey everyone,

Ex-coaster junkie, been a looooooooooooooooooooong time since I posted on any theme park boards, but this project has got me giddy like I used to get.

Just wanted to say thank you so much for posting the pictures, you and everyone else, this project seems to be something we can all be proud of!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 28, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
I can't decide if I'm excited or nervous about the concept of a barrel roll. I have nothing against something being prototypical, but it does make me sort of nervous that it could not go just right. We'll see, I guess. All that I know is that so far this thing has looked amazing and that even if this ride ends up being short and sweet, I'm happy to have it at the city because I've been dreaming of a new coaster for quite some time now!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 28, 2012, 11:24:41 PM
Well there's no doubt now. Saw the roll today and it is amazing! Down in the valley...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 29, 2012, 06:55:55 AM
Is it visible from the train now? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 29, 2012, 07:25:21 AM
Not visible from the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 29, 2012, 08:21:43 AM
We demand photos!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 29, 2012, 09:56:43 AM
^sorry no photos. I don't want the SDC ninjas coming after me. :) but it is there, and cool! I can promise you that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on July 29, 2012, 12:52:44 PM
I want what you're saying to be true. But I wont believe it till I see it. Don't get me wrong I do believe this is very possible but I am not going to get my hopes up just to be let down.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 29, 2012, 01:15:04 PM
I'm getting very jittery about this announcement. It's coming so close!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 29, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
You can go ahead and post pictures of it.  Nobody knows who you really are so I wouldn't worry about any ninjas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 29, 2012, 01:49:20 PM
Sorry Wildfire but I was asked not to. Is there a huge difference between a barrel roll and a zero g roll? They kept calling it a barrel roll but I thought it looked more like a zero g. It's also pretty close to the ground.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 29, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
Ok, fine, you win.  But if you did accidentally post it we would be eternally grateful ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 29, 2012, 02:01:23 PM
I don't know what the difference is, but they are similar, I believe.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 29, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
Dont post it!!! I want to be floored! Surprised! Bamboozled!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 29, 2012, 03:32:48 PM
I appreciate our posters not going against the park's wishes, though in this case, even mentioning it may have been bad enough... Still though, thanks for the info. I'll hold my breath until the announcement anyway since things have gone differently than they initially looked so many times before.

That would give this ride about three standout elements including the drop and the first inversion. That's good enough for one ride, I just hope the rest of the layout provides focuses on airtime and traditional elements for a rounded experience.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 29, 2012, 03:54:35 PM
I feel that at this point, if we're thinking about the three elements there so far, this ride is going to be very exciting even if the rest of the ride doesn't have any remarkable 'new' elements. Throw in some bunny hops, sharp curves, and airtime, and we've got a great ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 29, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
1. The element cannot be seen from the train, only from where cameras are forbidden.
2. Heard there will be OTSR on this, still waiting for conformation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 29, 2012, 06:15:00 PM
2. Heard there will be OTSR on this, still waiting for conformation.

 >:( :( :-[ :'(

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 29, 2012, 06:31:25 PM
2. Heard there will be OTSR on this, still waiting for conformation.

 >:( :( :-[ :'(

Jay

Ouch, if that one turns out true then there goes about half of my excitement. Of course, I have been told directly that this ride will be smooth, but of course smoothness is relative and with a mostly wood structure this ride is sure to maintain some of the feel of a wood coaster. As it gets older the OSTR's could really kill it. We'll see though, there are too many rumors going around right now, I'm ready to just wait and see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 29, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
Due to that fakeout element thingy after the drop, I'd be shocked if it didn't have OTSR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2012, 07:10:17 PM
Due to that fakeout element thingy after the drop, I'd be shocked if it didn't have OTSR.

They are so unneeded considering what some of the european companies are doing. All one has to do is look af the new cars for the gerstlauer eurofighter at Galvaston Pier.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jrkstl on July 29, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
Due to a rumor I heard earlier from a reliable source, I remain hopeful that the restraints will be "overhead," not OTSR.  Fingers crossed we'll end up with something like the newer Eurofighters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 29, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
^^Hmm, so maybe more like the el loco restraints from S&S? I'm not sure that's much better. If anything has to go over the shoulders, I'd prefer it be more like Intimidator 305's padded straps.

It's certainly not an issue of safety in any case. As others have mentioned, a number of coasters have operated for decades with inversions and nothing to hold riders in but simple lap bar restraints and they have been fine. Even with the hang time that this ride might provide, with a properly designed lap restraint you can still hold riders in their seats while inverted. If it does end up with OSTR's, I'm betting it's because management at some level is paranoid after the Darien Lake incident. Either that, or something to do with trying to accommodate larger guests at the same time as smaller ones.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
^^Hmm, so maybe more like the el loco restraints from S&S? I'm not sure that's much better. If anything has to go over the shoulders, I'd prefer it be more like Intimidator 305's padded straps.

It's certainly not an issue of safety in any case. As others have mentioned, a number of coasters have operated for decades with inversions and nothing to hold riders in but simple lap bar restraints and they have been fine. Even with the hang time that this ride might provide, with a properly designed lap restraint you can still hold riders in their seats while inverted. If it does end up with OSTR's, I'm betting it's because management at some level is paranoid after the Darien Lake incident. Either that, or something to do with trying to accommodate larger guests at the same time as smaller ones.

it`s the over the shoulder restraints on Wildfire that gives me fits. I've got a large chest and shoulders. It's the reason that the otsr will not go down far enought to let the belt latch in. If I lost the wieght I needed to, it was a tight tight fit and that when I was wearing 36 pants.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 29, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
If not OTSRs then do you think this would be open to a shorter demographic like powderkeg is?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on July 29, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
As long as they aren't like the restraints on Superman Tower of Power and Batman at Six Flags St. Louis. I was unable ride those two because I have a buxom bosom. I've never had too much problem with Wildfire or Giant Swing, though. Though I've had some tight fits on those and Powderkeg, I've still never had to take the "walk of shame" from them.

EDIT: I looked up the El Loco... Oooo... I *like* those!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
As long as they aren't like the restraints on Superman Tower of Power and Batman at Six Flags St. Louis. I was unable ride those two because I have a buxom bosom. I've never had too much problem with Wildfire or Giant Swing, though. Though I've had some tight fits on those and Powderkeg, I've still never had to take the "walk of shame" from them.

EDIT: I looked up the El Loco... Oooo... I *like* those!

s&s has made two dicferent types for their el loco modle one is a half otsr and one comes down from above like an over the shoulder lap bar that locks your tail is hichly contoured seats
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 30, 2012, 01:18:37 PM
...because I have a buxom bosom. ... I've had some tight fits...

I had to do a double take, because the first time I read that it was "tight...", well, let's just say it rhymed.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on July 30, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
layout is online now ;D REMOVED
Good timing on my part the link now requires a username and password i guess it was to test to see if the web page would work
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on July 30, 2012, 02:56:57 PM
turns out it will be a double barrel roll and it looks like no OTSR  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
Awesome! Was hoping it would be longer but I think the elements will make up for that. Great job SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2012, 03:25:04 PM
I think they yanked it down. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 03:26:36 PM
Wow. I was shocked to see this, and someone obviously screwed up in letting it get out. I wondered why in the world they would make all the details public in advance of next week's media blitz. Certainly spoiled it for me. It was clearly just intended to be an internal beta link for testing purposes as it's already down and now password protected. Fortunately, I bet only a handful of us actually saw it before it was taken down. I managed to take screenshot, but I'm reluctant to re-post it here.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 30, 2012, 03:28:28 PM
Did it say how long the ride will be?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 03:33:39 PM
It didn't say how long. 2 world records.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
Ride duration was not listed in the information/highlights I saw, but I can tell you it will be the fastest coaster on park, and based on the length and style of the layout, it will be a relatively short ride, albeit an exhilarating one.

Generally speaking, Outlaw Run will be an out and back coaster.

I'm really torn about whether or not I should share the details on the board. I know how excited everyone is to know more about the ride, but I don't want to spoil anything for anyone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
And it will hold three world records, not two.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on July 30, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
SPOILER ALERT
Wow i just googled the teaser website
it said it will have two barrel rolls and the steepest drop on a wooden roller coaster
there were also pictures of the cars they had lap bars and were designed to look like
stagecoaches, The track does go through the lift hill (Not over it) and the top speed is 68mph The second fastest woodie
(Behind El Toro) the name will be Outlaw Run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
BackInTime9, I believe of the 3 you are referring to, one was 2nd in the world. Unless I missed another one. But still close nonetheless. I'm not really sure what is ok to post either. I got a screen shot of the artwork, logo and trains but not the layout. The art is cool.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
Agree with you on the art. Very cool. I have a screenshot of the layout and elements.

One legitimate world record, and two "first" in the world accolades. The fourth accolade was a "Second" in the world.

Given the lack of ride length, it will be very interesting to see if this ride stays atop the list as a world class coaster, or if it proves to be a good ride that vaulted itself to the top with extreme elements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 03:55:00 PM
Ah gotcha! Outlaw Run is going to be a great ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on July 30, 2012, 04:29:07 PM

If anyone would like to see the sight just type in [ADMIN EDIT: REMOVED] in google and open up the cached version of the website!


(admin edit: please don't try to hurt the park's PR efforts. - Shavethewhales)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2012, 04:29:54 PM
Let's not spill all the beans just yet, most of us I think didn't see the layout so we're still in some suspense at least. The double barrel roll that they wanted to hide is already out there already though... Man, the web guys screwed up. I've been developing websites for years now, and it's just common sense that anything you put up on your server without protection will be accessed at some point.


I'm a little conflicted about the fact that this is turning out to be something like Wildfire 2.0 rather than the airtime-filled monster woodie I was hoping for, but you really can't complain with what we got.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on July 30, 2012, 04:32:52 PM
Would anyone be willing to e-mail me the pictures? Im dying to see them! Wildfire01@juno.com
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 30, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
I have a feeling this was leaked on purpose to keep the buzz going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2012, 04:36:21 PM
Please don't post the layout here or any methods to get it until the announcement. We are here to support the park's efforts, and no, they did not do this on purpose as evidenced by how fast they have yanked everything down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 30, 2012, 04:39:03 PM
I dont want to see it. Not until the announcement anyway. I would love to peek but like christmas I like the suspense. Like I have said before I want to be BAMBOOZLED. Please dont take that away from me...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
Thanks shave, was waiting for you to arrive. It wasn't up for for long...is there anyway they can get rid of the cached version or is it out there forever? Anyway, regardless they will have an awesome announcement next week and will get lots of media play.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
Ditto that. I'll say that for me the layout looks pretty underwhelming based it being an out and back with little length. At 68 mph, I would be willing to bet that ride time won't last much longer than TNT. With the layout art they highlighted seven or eight elements. I'm thrilled we're finally getting this at SDC, but I will admit that I was hoping for a little more tucked into the seclusion of the woods. Beggars can't be choosers. Hopefully, the ride itself will prove any neysayers wrong and become our fourth beloved coaster at SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
^I think they've taken care of the cached site already by removing the photos, but this is 2012 and people know how to take screen shots. The secret is done for and within the next few hours the layout will be available to everyone.

I was a little late to this party, so I started trying to edit posts to do my part, but it spreads to the other boards too quickly and since someone was able to grab the photos anyway I guess it doesn't matter.

I know people will play it off as providing more 'buzz' but in the end I don't think it does them any favors to take away their control of the info. If they wanted anymore buzz they would have released more clues or teases themselves in a better way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Out of respect for the park, I will not share the layout and element art.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2012, 05:04:13 PM
Sounds about like what I thought it would be, short and sweet with another big surprise element down in the valley.

They definitely went with the marketing angle on this one more than actually looking for something that would fill out the SDC experience, IMHO. You've got a coaster just on the other side of the train tracks that has 2-3 times the wait of any other ride of the park every day, but instead of building more family-accessible thrill rides they went and built another extreme thrill machine. Oh well, that doesn't hurt my feelings a bit  ;), but I think the most of the park patrons would have been better served with a GCII. Yet funnily enough, I'm sure this will bring in more people than the GCII would...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 30, 2012, 05:36:58 PM
Dang, it seems I'm late to the party. Excited to know that you are all pleased enough with what you saw even if it was short!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on July 30, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Yep, I'm late for this date, also.  But, I don't want to know any more about it until the announcement next week; gives me something to look forward to whilst I wait to make my next trip to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 30, 2012, 07:10:06 PM
Just did some preliminary fishing around and the word is all over TPR as well, but I have not been able to find any record of pictures or screenshots that have been posted anywhere. Hopefully, if anyone like myself who happened to grab one while the site was still up will keep it under wraps and resist the temptation to share it with the world.

For SDC's sake, it sounds like they are as excited about next week as they have been about anything in years. I certainly hope they still have real news to share by then. This is big moment for them and for all the enjoyment they've given all of us, they deserve to enjoy this announcement. It will most certainly be one that puts SDC on the map.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 30, 2012, 07:18:52 PM
I for sure will not post the screen shot I got or anything more than has already been said on the layout. I guarantee you they will get great media play. The general public has no idea really about anything except what they've seen from the train. SDC would have to worry more about a major media outlet going with the story early, which won't happen. They'll have a great week next week...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 30, 2012, 11:12:11 PM
I'm torn on this on one hand I want to know everything about this coaster but on the other hand I really love surprises but in the end what really matters is that SDC is getting a quality ride
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 31, 2012, 05:28:02 AM
Surprise me now, surprise me 9 days from now, surprise me with the first rider review, surprise me with the first on-ride video, surprise me the first time I actually get to ride it...

I'm no longer sure what "surprise" means.

I love everything we've heard about the ride so far, even the short ride time (higher throughput, shorter line times!). Whatever double barrel zero G roll-thingy happens in the valley, nothing intrigues me more than that inverted overbanked cutback fakeout thing, which has been right out there in the open all along.

That thing is going to be wicked crazy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2012, 09:49:11 AM
^I think it's nice when the surprise comes when the park wants it to. When all the little details leak out like they have here, then you don't get to build up excitement to the announcement day like it's Christmas morning.

As I had said would happen, the layout has been posted online on certain enthusiast forums. Unfortunately for me, I saw it. I guess at this point there wasn't much else to spoil though. I'm pretty pleased with the layout, though I think the concept art makes it look a lot longer than it is in real life. There will be some nice air and some tremendous curves.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
My initial reaction to the layout art yesterday was one of a little disappointment. I believe I may have reacted too quickly upon studying it a little more last night. First and foremost, the art does not give any credence whatsoever to the terrain this coaster sits on and winds through. It looks as if the entire ride is practically sitting on a relatively flat parcel of land, which we all know couldn't be further from reality.

The artwork is also a little deceiving in that it really doesn't seem to show another significant drop beyond the initial. But again, we have to keep in mind that this coaster will definitely utilize the onsite terrain to its advantage. In case you care to know a little more, but still don't want to see the layout, here are a few other details to help your imaginations wander a little more before you feast your eyes on the layout and videos unveiled at the big announcement next week.

The mind boggling element we've speculated on and watched take shape next to the tracks is being called an outside stall. It's just one of three record breaking elements on Outlaw Run. This coaster looks to provide four sections to maximize airtime, and at least three sections pushing nice lateral G's. Don't know if any track has been laid through the lift yet, but depending on how aggressive they get with the clearance, we might also expect a nice headchopper when when the train races back through the lift. The train will be hurling 80ft. uphill as it goes through the double barrel roll, which will be the last section of track before the train turns sharply right into the brake run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 31, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
How long will the coaster be time wise compared to the other coasters at SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
Based on the top speed of 68 mph, I would be shocked if this ride is two minutes long, but including the ascent on the lift hill, it might be. With the exception of FITH, I would expect this coaster to be the shortest major coaster at SDC, but easily the most intense. This will not be a long ride, but it will definitely pack a punch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 31, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
Based on the top speed of 68 mph, I would be shocked if this ride is two minutes long, but including the ascent on the lift hill, it might be. This will not be a long ride, but it will definitely pack a punch.

I'm betting on 1:15 to 1:30 in duration.

Now I can add a twisty GCI woody to my harp list to go along with my spinner and floorless dreams and my fantasies about a 3D Diving Bell  and a redo of FITH with modern tech and a vertical drop/launch ending.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 11:22:54 AM
Agreed. I'm sure we won't see another coaster for several more years, but I'm thrilled we finally got a woody at SDC.

Length aside, the numbers for Outlaw Run are really something to behold in terms of current wooden coaster world rankings.

#1 Highest Angle of Descent (by a whopping four degrees)
#2 Largest Drop
#2 Fastest

Plus, it's the first wooden coaster in the world to feature:

- Double barrel roll inversion
- Outside banked turn
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2012, 11:26:14 AM
In terms of ride length and experience it's easiest to compare it to Wildfire (hence the Wildfire 2.0 comment I made earlier). It's basically a big drop followed by a few interesting elements. It's pretty short, but as everyone is saying, it packs a punch so it makes up for it. One of these days SDC will learn how to use an MCBR.

I don't think this will quite be the top #10 coaster I was fantasizing about due to it's length, but it is certainly interesting and will attract the enthusiasts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
Like Shave, I'm a little bummed about the ride length as well, but I'm reserving full judgement until the ride is actually open for business.

If this is in fact one of three (and the least expensive) major projects planned for SDC over the next few years, I can't imagine what they have up their sleeves. But who knows what future plans hold for SDC, and who knows how awesome Outlaw Run may truly wind up being when it's all said and done. Maybe a few years from now, we'll all we flabbergasted by an expansive MM type coaster Swoosh has prognosticated about in previous posts.

One thing is certain. This coaster was clearly designed to minimize material costs and utilize the surrounding terrain to get as much bang for $10 or $12 million as possible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jrkstl on July 31, 2012, 12:22:21 PM
I just saw the leaked layout, and while not the longest coaster by any means I think the length looks perfect.  We'll call this the "Batman-The Ride" of woodies :)  Seriously, I appreciate that there doesn't appear to be one inch of dead space.  If this were going to be a more traditional wooden coaster, I'd want it to be longer.  Since this is clearly not traditional by any means, I'm fine with the shorter but VERY sweet footprint! 

Very happy for SDC, and if this ride is as smooth as Texas Giant, it's going to be a huge hit with everyone!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on July 31, 2012, 12:27:19 PM
I'm staying off other sites so I don't ruin the surprise of the layout. 9 more days people!!!! Whoooo! SDC is getting a winner next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on July 31, 2012, 12:38:41 PM
Okay, people!  I'm off task here, and REALLY showing my age, but...how do you take a screenshot on an iPhone4s?  I can't make mine work, so I'm doing something wrong.  Can someone help???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 31, 2012, 01:47:21 PM
I just saw the leaked layout, and while not the longest coaster by any means I think the length looks perfect.  We'll call this the "Batman-The Ride" of woodies :)  Seriously, I appreciate that there doesn't appear to be one inch of dead space.  If this were going to be a more traditional wooden coaster, I'd want it to be longer.  Since this is clearly not traditional by any means, I'm fine with the shorter but VERY sweet footprint! 

Very happy for SDC, and if this ride is as smooth as Texas Giant, it's going to be a huge hit with everyone!
Could you please shoot me that site via PM

thanks
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 31, 2012, 03:11:30 PM
I have a question.
Having now seen the layout (I know, I know, I googled it. I HAD to.) I was wondering how the train will go back under it. The way it looks to me, it would have to go under the second barrel roll. But...haven't those already been constructed?  ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2012, 03:35:25 PM
* Spoilers:

Since the train track is going through a curve at that point, the train track will probably cross under the coaster track at the end of the where the coaster track ends it's curve back towards the station. There will be good visuals of the rolls, but the train won't be going under them.

Dang, it's going to be a long 8 days with us trying to talk about this without throwing spoilers out there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on July 31, 2012, 03:38:48 PM
Okay, that makes sense. I wondered if the train track was curving at that point. It has been too long since I have gone to the park and actually ridden the train for me to understand where the big banner was actually at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 31, 2012, 03:40:32 PM
I didnt look at the website.... I am waiting for the 9th!!......will be a long week or so...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on July 31, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
EDIT: Oops. I just realized I just facilitated a means by which people can view this.

Ummm... I'll just say, then, that I have seen the layout without meaning to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coasterbill42 on July 31, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
I just saw the leaked layout, and while not the longest coaster by any means I think the length looks perfect.  We'll call this the "Batman-The Ride" of woodies :)  Seriously, I appreciate that there doesn't appear to be one inch of dead space.  If this were going to be a more traditional wooden coaster, I'd want it to be longer.  Since this is clearly not traditional by any means, I'm fine with the shorter but VERY sweet footprint! 

Very happy for SDC, and if this ride is as smooth as Texas Giant, it's going to be a huge hit with everyone!
Could you please shoot me that site via PM

thanks

Me as well.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 31, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
I don't think this is a spoiler, but be warned just in case.

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What is "high speed low float"? Is that a fast and low negative-G drop?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
I assumed it's simply a fancy description for an airtime element that's close to the ground.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 31, 2012, 10:52:16 PM
Well I am bummed for you guys that some one went and ruined Christmas - just be thankful they didn't ruin all of the surprises that the park has in store for the 9th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 31, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
What kind of surprises does the park have?? Past experiance??
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 31, 2012, 11:07:00 PM
Well I am bummed for you guys that some one went and ruined Christmas

I was the kid who was always a notorious snoop before Christmas. This time, I had to snoop in Italian.  ;)

I doubt anyone saw anything they weren't either looking for, or aching to know.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 31, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
^^Swoosh, Interested to hear what your impressions of the ride are at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
Hmm, sounds like the park has started to contact sites about the issue and is getting people to take down the images. They won't get all of them, but they probably want to keep it as contained as possible for the GP's sake. Unfortunately, the GP isn't as shielded from the enthusiast world as they once were. Earlier today someone posted a link to this very thread on SDC's facebook and we got a big spike in traffic, and people have been posting the layout all over tumblr and faceboook as well.

I don't know what we can do about it, but do what you can to keep it on the down-low as much as possible I guess. I don't know what that means at this point either. I hope we weren't the source of the "outbreak" as it were, I don't see where else the link was posted originally. We'll probably have to make some formal rules about this for the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on August 01, 2012, 12:00:49 AM
As a relatively new member to these boards long time fan of SDC I admire you guys for trying to keep the integrity of this project and the park by not posting the layout. I'm  a member of a Disney world fan site that would've been all over this and posting it everywhere
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 01, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
^^Swoosh, Interested to hear what your impressions of the ride are at this point.

You'll have to wait until the 9th, sorry.  Like I said, there are more surprises in store, you will just have to be patient and wait like the park wanted you to in the first place.  I'm sorry, I'd love to spill the beans but I'm not the one footing the 10 mil dollar bill for this thing so I don't feel like I have the right... that and the fact that I have been sworn to secrecy -- well that is if I want to go see this thing up close on the 9th (and boy do I) -- honestly I am having trouble deciding if I am more excited to go to Disneyland on Friday to check out Carsland or getting to go on site to see this ride.  Man, first world problems are tough. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on August 01, 2012, 01:29:12 AM
Well all this spoiler talk over shadowed the fact that I did make it to SDC this past weekend and took photos via using my video cam on my iPhone4. (I wish it had 1080P for this task for you have to do with 720P) I even took photos of a Tour Group that took place on Sunday around 7:30PM. I am jealous of em as I wish I could be back there with em does anyone recognize anyone in the group? Some of the photos shows things you have seen before but I also took some photos of interesting spots including something popping up from behind the fence that is blocking some sort of surprise. Other spots show some supports coming out of the station besides the lift and a bunny hop before the lift cross over. Enjoy! BTW on the topic of spoilers, They did not work too well on the Top Thrill Dragster Trains at Cedar Point and was removed by the end of the first season, I hope they are not putting spoilers on the trains here! :>

I look forward to the remaining surprises on the 9th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on August 01, 2012, 06:50:41 AM
So much for plugging the leak.  Screamscape has now posted the layout.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 01, 2012, 07:33:21 AM
I thought about going on the ninth for the day. Is there anything special they will do for the grand revealing???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 01, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
OK!!  OK!!!,  I looked at the layout finally... Looks great! all you thrill riders should be in love!!!.

my question is this..... WHERE IS THE TUNNEL???????    LOL????
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 01, 2012, 09:44:02 AM
Unless the test site and layout that were leaked is totally fake, I can't imagine what other surprises could be in store for next week. And the layout many of us have seen seems to line up seamlessly with all of the pictures from onsite. I wish I believed there was still going to be something truly newsworthy next week, but I'm totally skeptical at this point. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2012, 10:37:00 AM
There is plenty more to be excited for on announcement day. For one thing, we haven't had a good look at the awesome trains, or the POV. There will also be new footage from exclusive angles down in the valleys where you can actually see things, more thematic information that we all love, and much more.

I'm disappointed that Screamscape went ahead and posted the layout. Now it is really out there. I know SDC has put a lot of effort into making August 9 special and as fans we really should be supporting them. I recommend discouraging people from posting it all over facebook and other social sites, although now that Screamscape has posted it that will be hard to contain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 01, 2012, 10:38:49 AM
Yeah, I am pretty disappointed in Lance for posting it.  I mean I can understand websites overseas as they don't know any better, but Lance at Screamscape has been around for awhile and should understand how this works by now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 01, 2012, 10:58:09 AM
Nothing remains a secret over the internet for sure! I am still stoked about the progress being made with this coaster, and hopefully after the announcement is official, both employees, and guest alike can finally express freely their thoughts, and details regarding the project. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 01, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
It certainly is.

I'm still jacked about the ride. I just meant we really already know practically everything there is to know about it now. It's not as if next Thursday someone is going to pull back the curtain and go, "No, this is actually the real coaster."  

Definitely interested in seeing the POV video(s) and such, just seems like there isn't much left in terms of newness. I saw the trains on the test site prior to it being pulled down. Looks like they'll be pretty cool, and should be really interesting with no OTSR's.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 01, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
As a marketing major I think it was good whether intentional or not. You can't buy the buzz around this coaster and it's all coming for free while 99 percent of their patrons are oblivious as to whats going on. I'd take credit for it cause it was something that was forbidden and the intrigue to seek it that was involved. Leaking stuff is old hat in the music biz to generate hype cor the release date. Rap is rampant in it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 01, 2012, 03:50:10 PM
It doesn't really upset me that I saw the layout early, but I am hopeful that the spread of the layout doesn't go too far. I don't want Silver Dollar City to miss out on their chance to have a big reveal like this one and I hope the excitement isn't too much ruined for their marketing guys by this leak.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on August 01, 2012, 03:58:43 PM
I'd have to agree with Chittlins. The leaking of the layout and other things may be a bummer but look at the amount of buzz that is being generated. All the different coaster forums are being flooded with all kinds of posts and speculations. I know it sucks for those that wanted to wait for the 9th but look at how much publicity SDC is getting over this leak! Whether the leak was intentional or not SDC is still benefiting.

I don't think the surprise is ruined, so what if we know the key details about this ride and the layout; it's still going to be an epic reveal on the 9th. The pictures and videos of the actual ride still have not been seen (well not by everybody).

There is still a lot to look forward to!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
Where do you guys think all that buzz will be in a week from now when the park has all the media gathered for the originally specified announcement date? How many people do you think will tune in to hear the rest of the details about the park, the ride, and any offerings the park might be trying to push to increase sales?

Having a leak and creating some buzz isn't all bad, but in this case it isn't nearly as good as if it hadn't happened. I'm peeved that SDCFans was apparently the first place where the leak was blown. I know it would have been found and posted somewhere else eventually due to the fact that it ended up on google and was unprotected, but still...

I'm officially going to make a rule against posting "secret" park information on here. As fans of the park we shouldn't be trying to circumvent their multimillion dollar investments and planning. Rumors are one thing, but taking advantage of an oversight on their part, however large, is just something fans shouldn't do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on August 01, 2012, 06:14:11 PM
I myself did not leak anything but I did post about how to get to the cached website. I didn't expect such a harsh reaction to all of this, so I thought it would be harmless to give instructions on how to see the site. I think this leak can be seen as a good or bad thing. The only people that know of the leak are enthusiasts anyways, and leak or no leak they will tune in on the 9th. Because no enthusiast is ok with just seeing a layout of a record breaking ride and then not wanting to see what is shown/said at the official announcement. Most of the general public knows nothing about this leak. It just got everybody in the coaster world's juices flowin'.

I was initially bummed by the leak but I feel it won't be as much of a negative thing as people are talking it up to be.

I see where shave is coming from however I respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 01, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
I have just been sitting back reading the comments and decided to go ahead and post...I haven't looked at or looked for the layouts simply because I want to respect SDC and let them show me their "big surprise." I know I wouldn't want to have purchased a very special gift for my wife or kids only to have somebody else give it to them. To me, it's a lot the same...I agree with Shave about being disappointed about the leak from this fansite...To me, we are supposed to be SDC's most loyal supporters and I feel like SDC putting in such a ride is showing their appreciation and loyalty back to us...and this is how we thank them...Additionally, SDC will be very tight lipped in the future about any project to fans, employees, etc...Anyway, these are just my thoughts...with that being said I know that each of us is very passionate about our beloved SDC and love to discuss what's going on and sharing information gleened...you talk about things that you are passionate about so I do not fault anybody from that perspective...it's just important to make sure to channel that passion appropriately...and I know nobody who is a SDC fan would ever purposefully do anything to disrespect SDC or the PTB...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2012, 06:31:21 PM
It's over and done with now, and it's not like we had any rules on the books about it before this, so I'm not really mad at anyone. I just would have preferred that the person who found it had not posted it and instead had contacted the park about it... oh well, hopefully everyone learned something.

What makes this different than in other cases is that the park has been working on their own way of revealing the big secret, and they've invested a lot of time and effort into it, and I'm sure there is a lot of marketing dollars tied into it all in ways we can't see. Also, in this day and age it's not just the enthusiasts who are seeing it. It's being posted all over FB/Tumblr/Pinterest/Reddit/younameit, so a lot of the GP are hearing about it and spreading it. It's nice that it's viral, but at the same time it's going viral without a lot of the advertising effects that would actually benefit SDC.

Oh well, we'll move forward. Still lots to be grateful for, and a lot to still get excited for like I've said. Lets just think about helping the park out more in situations like this from now on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 01, 2012, 07:25:46 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but I exchanged emails with someone high on the chain at SDC this morning, and extended my apologies (I was not the culprit) that the word got out in advance of next week. They didn't seem overly concerned about it.

That said, let's keep something in mind. I am the furthest thing from a theme park expert, but the entire process of this project seems pretty a-typical and almost the polar opposite of how most parks handle new attractions. If I'm not mistaken, most parks generally seem to announce a new ride or attraction before they even break ground on it.

We must remember that the majority of this ride was constructed without an official confirmation or announcement about it. That's only fueled speculation and buzz about it from day one, and certainly opened the door to allow a leak that wasn't necessarily intended to go out in advance of the official unveiling.

The probability of not being able to keep something under raps for the duration increases exponentially when you're practically through with constructing the ride and haven't even announced it yet. On one hand it's a genius marketing move, but as we've now seen, it bears risk.

It may not be technically ethical, but I can't say I fault anyone for wanting to share info about an upcoming attraction, once that information has become public domain – whether it was intended to be or not. We are after all, enthusiasts. And this is exactly the type of thing we discuss and speculate year round. We yearn for anything remotely concrete that could confirm our best guesses, or steer our conversations in a totally new direction.

The bottom line is, someone presumably screwed up in not protecting the beta site. And when another enthusiast happened to drop by SilverDollarCity2013.com, the entire curtain had already been pulled back. I can't blame anyone for wanting to give us the heads up about it. The only difference is, we suspected something was amiss knowing the official announcement was still little more than a week away.

It's not as if someone was taken aside by a park employee and shown the layout maps with all of the ride details and decided to snap a photo and post it here for the world to see.

Pardon the long-winded post, I just wanted to offer my two cents. At the end of the day, I think all is well and we're still getting a ride that will put SDC on the proverbial map.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 01, 2012, 07:26:30 PM
So did the park have a problem with creating this thread in the first place way back whenever? I love SDC just as much as all of you but in my humble opinion some of this is being taken a little too seriously. As far as I saw no one on this forum posted any pictures or links to the leaked site.

Anyway back to why we are all here: was at the park today and boy, seeing this thing in person again and further along in construction, it really is going to be a fast, wild ride. Seeing the layout and now seeing it in person makes me appreciate it even more. Like shave had said before, the way this thing moves through the terrain is incredible. It's going to fly and be a ride experience unlike anything anywhere else. Thank you SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2012, 07:45:47 PM

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It may not be technically ethical, but I can't say I fault anyone for wanting to share info about an upcoming attraction, once that information has become public domain – whether it was intended to be or not. We are after all, enthusiasts. And this is exactly the type of thing we discuss and speculate year round. We yearn for anything remotely concrete that could confirm our best guesses, or steer our conversations in a totally new direction.
...

I don't really fault anyone either. A year or two ago I stumbled across some concept art for a renovation of CC and I had a real moment of confliction over whether I should notify the park that the info was out there or follow my fan instincts and post it all over the forums. I ultimately decided to contact the park first and found it was nothing more than someone's pitch that was not pursued and is now nothing more than a portfolio piece. I know it's a tough choice to make as a random fan on the internet, any many won't think about it the way I do, but at the end of the day, the park made a serious goof and I know for a fact that they aren't happy about the leak.

Anyway though, enough of all that for now, there's nothing more we can do or say about it really.

I do find it interesting just how critical people have been of the layout. I guess it is just like when Intimidator 305 was announced and all the fanboys complained about the lack of overt airtime hills. A lot of these armchair enthusiasts will never be happy.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 01, 2012, 08:47:11 PM
Where do you guys think all that buzz will be in a week from now when the park has all the media gathered for the originally specified announcement date? How many people do you think will tune in to hear the rest of the details about the park, the ride, and any offerings the park might be trying to push to increase sales?
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Having a leak and creating some buzz isn't all bad, but in this case it isn't nearly as good as if it hadn't happened. I'm peeved that SDCFans was apparently the first place where the leak was blown. I know it would have been found and posted somewhere else eventually due to the fact that it ended up on google and was unprotected, but still...

I'm officially going to make a rule against posting "secret" park information on here. As fans of the park we shouldn't be trying to circumvent their multimillion dollar investments and planning. Rumors are one thing, but taking advantage of an oversight on their part, however large, is just something fans shouldn't do.

Shave, the media blitz on the ninth is for trade publications and the video and print media outlets like our local news in targeted markets. None which has been spoiled one bit by it. It's like getting two big big bangs out of it. I'm tellin ya I'd take credit for it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 01, 2012, 08:49:46 PM
It's only about 8 days until the announcement. Maybe we could suspend some of the chatter about specific plans and layouts and wait until the official word comes out. Everything I've read says this is gonna be a whopper of a ride. I'm satisfied with leaving it at that for now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 01, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
I definitely expressed some disappointment about the lack of length with the layout, but I also think the art is terribly deceiving with respect to the terrain this coaster utilizes.

It's also very easy to be critical of an illustration that lacks any real detail, if you haven't yet seen the ride in person. I am definitely one of those people. It's cliche', but pictures hardly ever do the real thing true justice.

I can't imagine how impressive and extreme Outlaw Run looks right there next to the tracks, but I'm certainly looking forward to that first experience of total awe.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 01, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Backintime9 you will be in awe. It's awesome. ^^ suspending the chatter is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. Let's just enjoy the next couple of weeks. It's not like KY3 is gonna run with the story tomorrow.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Major Havoc on August 02, 2012, 12:04:47 PM
I just got home from a two day visit to the park.   Sorry...I am not sure how to post photos of "The Outlaw" here, but you can check out a few pictures on my Twitpic account: http://twitpic.com/photos/Majrhavoc
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 02, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
Thanks for the pics, Major Havoc! They're pretty cool:D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 02, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
Thanks for the photos sawblade5 and Major Havoc. The double down/up section looks pretty sweet. The train will be flying over those little hops, just like we hoped to see with this layout. Just look at the height difference from the drop to the little hill next to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 02, 2012, 04:18:16 PM
I'm so excited about this project...I can't wait to ride it...also, thanks to everyone on this forum for all the thought provoking comments and pictures that are posted on a variety of SDC topics...You have made the whole SDC experience even more sweet than just simply visiting the park itself...I guess what I'm saying is thanks for the added dimension you've made and thanks to Shave for making the whole thing possible....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 02, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
It's funny that I'm a fan of SDC, and I'm also a fan of Apple, and both treat announcements the same way: not until they can show off the real thing.

And of course, both have fans who speculate, rumors fly, and there are the inevitable leaks. Both know the leaks will happen, and even count on them to generate buzz.

I'd say in this case that if the test pages of the website hadn't been left unprotected by accident, someone would have had to do so on purpose.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on August 02, 2012, 10:43:20 PM
Junior! Did they have this much commotion when the Diving Bell was opened?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 02, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
Frankly, I don't remember. I was 15 years old at the time and lived in southeast Missouri. I did visit the park twice that summer, and was very impressed with the ride, as I had never experienced anything like it. Little did I know that in two years time, in the late summer of 1979, I would be playing JUNIOR at the ride. A strange twist of fate. I do remember the TV commercials for the park that year touting the new Deepwoods area (Riverfront now) and the diving bell attraction. I remember seeing the ads in newspapers and magazines with the diving bell featured. Today with the Internet and with specialty groups like SDCfans, Screamscape, and Midwest Information Guide (just to name a few) there is much, much more buzz among theme park enthusiasts than there was during the mid 1970s.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: IASTClone on August 03, 2012, 09:38:32 AM
I find it humorous and ironic how some are upset that a layout drawing with the features has been leaked; however the sharing of actual pictures of the ride have been condoned and encouraged since the first shovel of dirt was turned over.

Let's face it, 99% of the general public (including many that have visited the park this summer and saw the construction) knows nothing about this ride and will be amazed/excited/astonished at it's announcement next week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 03, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
^Exactly! Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 03, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
The reason people are upset is because Silver Dollar City wasn't showing us everything of the layout yet. We knew parts of it, but there were also parts we weren't supposed to see yet, thus the giant banner. That's what we learned from the artwork.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 03, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
It's funny that I'm a fan of SDC, and I'm also a fan of Apple, and both treat announcements the same way: not until they can show off the real thing.

And of course, both have fans who speculate, rumors fly, and there are the inevitable leaks. Both know the leaks will happen, and even count on them to generate buzz.

I'd say in this case that if the test pages of the website hadn't been left unprotected by accident, someone would have had to do so on purpose.  ;)

apple, snapple,more than half of the components in their products are someone elses. the cameras in the Iphone are Sony. I could go one but I'll stop but man have some fell for that marketing strategy of theirs. They make good products but so do others.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 03, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
CLUE #2 IS AVAILABLE!!!! :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 03, 2012, 01:52:39 PM
http://sdctripplanning.com/clues/clue2.php All I can say is wow. Whatta ________!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 03, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
the view from the top looks pretty sweet...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 03, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
I find it humorous and ironic how some are upset that a layout drawing with the features has been leaked; however the sharing of actual pictures of the ride have been condoned and encouraged since the first shovel of dirt was turned over.

Let's face it, 99% of the general public (including many that have visited the park this summer and saw the construction) knows nothing about this ride and will be amazed/excited/astonished at it's announcement next week.

Like I've said many times before, the reason I was disappointed in the leak was because it hurt the park's intentions of having a big reveal and media spectacle that would help their marketing efforts. The construction photos have been encouraged because they did actually play into the park's planning. And again like I've said, a lot more than 1% are seeing it thanks in part to us. In any case, it does put the FAN SITE in a bad light when we mess up things for the park.

But again, enough of that, we can move past it now.

I think the most interesting part of the new clue is the new domain it is being launched on. How long has sdctripplanning.com been around? Looks like a well done concept so far.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 03, 2012, 04:36:55 PM
Shave I believe on the website ther is a trip planner button that you can make a list of what you want to see and to and also calculate how much gas is but I dont remember if the link changes or not.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 03, 2012, 05:20:01 PM
Someone who is well known to the forum old-timers told me he has over a thousand photos that he can't share yet. A week from now, we'll get to enjoy a lot of photos from a lot of sources.  8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on August 04, 2012, 01:51:26 AM
I can say that the park is concerned about leaks to some degree.  Their concern mostly lies along the lines that people may postpone trips to the park until next year, thus hurting this year's attendance figures.  That could be a valid concern but not with the SDCFans Forum family since most of you get out to the park every chance you get regardless of what's going on.  But some of the information that has been posted here to "tease" you all has been reposted on the Facebook page, presumably reaching a wider audience that includes people who aren't as dedicated as you all, and that has raised flags with the PTB.  They're even disappointed that the name of the ride is now widely known.  It's still supposedly hush-hush here.

Anyway, after the 9th, I assume we'll be able to talk all we want.  In the meantime, there's not any of you that are postponing your trips to SDC until next year.  Right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 04, 2012, 06:02:06 AM
Not me, Zephon. In fact, I am disappointed in myself that I have let some other things get in the way and I can't get to the park this year as often as I wanted to! Probably other SDCfans feel the same way too.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 04, 2012, 08:12:34 AM
Its been the heat that has kept us from going. My small family hates the extreame heat. Even 90's we tend to stay away......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 04, 2012, 11:49:00 AM


In the meantime, there's not any of you that are postponing your trips to SDC until next year.  Right?

I'm probably not the only one that made visits this year just to see the roller coaster construction. Had the construction not been visible or going on during the season.....we probably would have skipped this year.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 04, 2012, 02:37:23 PM


In the meantime, there's not any of you that are postponing your trips to SDC until next year.  Right?

I'm probably not the only one that made visits this year just to see the roller coaster construction. Had the construction not been visible or going on during the season.....we probably would have skipped this year.

Jay

this right here. only reason I renewed season passes was to see the construction in person. Otherwise we were sitting this year out ue our trip to Orlando in October. the first of three with a Cali trip thrown in the middle. And I'll cough up the passes for 2013 and after that if the additions start coming in a Dollywood pace.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 04, 2012, 03:01:37 PM
Not me!  I'll be in a couple of weeks, and can't wait!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 04, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
Im already putting back for 2013. I am super excited.  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 04, 2012, 03:28:33 PM
We get season.passes every year.and go.to.about.4.festivals.whether they add.anything.new.or.not.

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I can say that the park is concerned about leaks to some degree.  Their concern mostly lies along the lines that people may postpone trips to the park until next year, thus hurting this year's attendance figures.  That could be a valid concern but not with the SDCFans Forum family since most of you get out to the park every chance you get regardless of what's going on.  But some of the information that has been posted here to "tease" you all has been reposted on the Facebook page, presumably reaching a wider audience that includes people who aren't as dedicated as you all, and that has raised flags with the PTB.  They're even disappointed that the name of the ride is now widely known.  It's still supposedly hush-hush here.

Anyway, after the 9th, I assume we'll be able to talk all we want.  In the meantime, there's not any of you that are postponing your trips to SDC until next year.  Right?
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Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 04, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
I can say that the park is concerned about leaks to some degree.  Their concern mostly lies along the lines that people may postpone trips to the park until next year, thus hurting this year's attendance figures.  That could be a valid concern but not with the SDCFans Forum family since most of you get out to the park every chance you get regardless of what's going on.  But some of the information that has been posted here to "tease" you all has been reposted on the Facebook page, presumably reaching a wider audience that includes people who aren't as dedicated as you all, and that has raised flags with the PTB.  They're even disappointed that the name of the ride is now widely known.  It's still supposedly hush-hush here.

Anyway, after the 9th, I assume we'll be able to talk all we want.  In the meantime, there's not any of you that are postponing your trips to SDC until next year.  Right?

I am postponing ALL trips to the city until next year..... WELL "except" for the 6 trips we have planned between now and new years...LOL!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 05, 2012, 01:30:16 PM
Very funny Sanddune...Wished I could make it there this year...It just didn't work out this summer...the first summer in 6-7 years we haven't made it to Branson...I might make it down for OTC though...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 06, 2012, 07:28:39 AM
Josh, if you make it down at OTC, please let me know... would love to meet up with you again,,,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on August 06, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
All of you are so good to SDC...I think I'm gonna :'(
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 07, 2012, 07:45:17 AM
OK, this is me just making a wild speculation, but what if good ole Albert from Undercover Boss has a hand in designing this new coaster? Any thoughts on that one? This is something I just thought of...wouldn't that be cool, though?  8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 07, 2012, 08:56:30 AM
two days 1 hour and 33 minutes!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 07, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
OK, this is me just making a wild speculation, but what if good ole Albert from Undercover Boss has a hand in designing this new coaster? Any thoughts on that one? This is something I just thought of...wouldn't that be cool, though?  8)

Not this one, but I hear he does have his hand in designing the new coaster for 2016! It will be built using a tunnel to go straight under Lake Silver. :P

One thing is for certain about The Outlaw, it is going to be BIG! :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 07, 2012, 11:20:02 AM
Josh, if you make it down at OTC, please let me know... would love to meet up with you again,,,,
Sounds good....I'll let you know...we enjoyed meeting you...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on August 07, 2012, 12:19:22 PM
46 hours til Christmas!!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 07, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
I wouldn't be a bit surprised they  redo and /or add to GG area if a coaster going under the lake show up.! I think it is a neat idea.

And since the CEO of the company saw the plans  and design in its infancy,,,,,,,wellll.............. ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on August 07, 2012, 07:02:20 PM
Does anyone know if the announcement ceremony will be broadcast on local TV, Branson Visitors TV, or The Vacation Channel, or RFD-TV? Won't be able to be there but hope to see it streaming on  the computer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 07, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
olds, I seriuosly doubt that it will be aired live....

but it may be on you tube thursday nite... Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 08, 2012, 07:27:46 AM
One more day to wait.
Swoosh should produce some pictures as well as some suprise info
some of us were not expecting.
I am banking on them throwing out some unexpected info.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 08, 2012, 07:32:02 AM
One more day to wait.
Swoosh should produce some pictures as well as some suprise info
some of us were not expecting.
I am banking on them throwing out some unexpected info.


That's a good, positive attitude to wake up to!  I like that! The excitement is building, and I can't wait!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 08, 2012, 08:04:43 AM
About 24 hours to go!  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 08, 2012, 08:12:15 AM
I am doing the dance similar to that of I have to go to the bathroom. I am all abuzz with excitement!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 08, 2012, 08:48:05 AM
We rode Wildfire on Sunday with one of the ride operators on his bi-hourly ride-through. I was pointing out aspects of Outlaw from the lift hill to my brother. When we got back the operator told me the official announcement would be on Thursday. I just smiled and said "Ok."  :D  Wish I could be there tomorrow in person, but you know my mind will be there! I'll be glued here to SDCfans to get all the news from all you lucky dogs getting to go!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 08, 2012, 09:06:42 AM
We rode Wildfire on Sunday with one of the ride operators on his bi-hourly ride-through. I was pointing out aspects of Outlaw from the lift hill to my brother. When we got back the operator told me the official announcement would be on Thursday. I just smiled and said "Ok."  :D  Wish I could be there tomorrow in person, but you know my mind will be there! I'll be glued here to SDCfans to get all the news from all you lucky dogs getting to go!!!
Diddo that...I'll be glued to the ol' trusty SDC fans website as well...Thanks in advance to all of you who will post info about the big announcement...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 08, 2012, 09:07:20 AM
I saw a pic taken looking straight down the drop this am. All I can say is WOW! I'd really like to be there tomorrow too but there is that whole work thing holding me back. Anyone know what time the announcement is?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
I saw a pic taken looking straight down the drop this am. All I can say is WOW! I'd really like to be there tomorrow too but there is that whole work thing holding me back. Anyone know what time the announcement is?

Ask your husband.  He works for RMC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 08, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
The anticipation sure is building! I feel like this entire thread has been going up the lift hill, and tomorrow we will all finally plummet down the tracks with the announcement!

I don't suppose any local television, and or internet media outlet will broadcast it live?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 08, 2012, 12:08:47 PM
I saw a pic taken looking straight down the drop this am. All I can say is WOW! I'd really like to be there tomorrow too but there is that whole work thing holding me back. Anyone know what time the announcement is?

Ask your husband.  He works for RMC.

Hey Swoosh you are right--you figured it out, genius.  ::) I'm a dude, therefore don't have a husband and don't know anyone who works for RMC. So smart you are. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 08, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
Get her swoosh.
She thinks we don't know. Something tells me
The bragging posts from some will end tomorrow.
Then it will be only the regulars again.  I look forward to that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 08, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
Looking forward to current pics tomorrow and an update on what is really going to happen....

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 08, 2012, 01:24:58 PM
Get her swoosh.
She thinks we don't know. Something tells me
The bragging posts from some will end tomorrow.
Then it will be only the regulars again.  I look forward to that.

Well, I thought this was a place for fans of SDC to come to talk about and share what's happening but guess I was wrong. I certainly did not intend to brag, rather share in the excitement of the new attraction. I was just excited about seeing the small bit of info that we will all see tomorrow anyway.

I've been visiting SDC since I was a small kid and as a long time fan of SDC, I have loved visiting this site and being part of the conversation. It's too bad that some seem to act like they are the only ones that can contribute to the conversation with their rude and sarcastic remarks. I suppose if you do want to run people off, that's what you will get in the end. What a great representation of an awesome place like SDC. Yes, mhguy77 and swoosh, I'm talking to you.

Everyone enjoy the announcement tomorrow. Also, still a dude.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 08, 2012, 01:58:27 PM
The bragging posts from some will end tomorrow.
Then it will be only the regulars again.  I look forward to that.

That's funny, I look forward to all the new people becoming regulars.

This new ride has brought a lot of new members to the forum. They're every bit as welcome to stick around and contribute as, say, any two guys who joined in 2008 and have 700+ posts.

I'm one of those guys. I wonder who another might be?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 08, 2012, 03:02:40 PM


I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND PICTURES !!!
Did I say that already?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: underdog on August 08, 2012, 03:42:32 PM
I can't wait. I really want to know what the trains will look like and how heavily themed the building will be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 08, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Only around 19 hours!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 08, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
The anticipation, the anticipation!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 08, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
I've never watched a coaster build before. There's obviously still a huge amount of work to do before it's operational, not even including the theming and landscaping.

I assume the first rolling cars will be dummy-weighted. How long before the first test run with live passengers?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 08, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
they "might" do test runs late this fall/winter when the city is closed on m-t-w. That is assuming that they get the projecy done before the 1st of the year... With the weather we have had, they should not be a problem..,

otherwise obviously will be after the 1st of the year while park is completely closed....

Just a few more hours.........................................
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 08, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
I would LOVE to see the test runs!! Hot snot that would be cool! 15 hours....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 08, 2012, 07:17:05 PM
Keep it chill guys, only about 15 hours or so to go...

Anyway, I actually go to the park today... only to have it rain almost all the time and force everything to be shut down.. but I did get one ride on the train. Holy crap, I've said it before, but it needs repeating: no photos do this ride justice. The angles that it pulls are just insane, on first glance it almost looks like it can't actually be a real roller coaster.

Besides the elements we already know about, I was most impressed with the double drop section (the curvy dips right after the extreme overbank inversion). The swoop toward the base of the drop is a lot bigger than I thought it would be. The whole thing just looks a lot bigger than you would think looking at the concept art, and with a lot more height variance due to the terrain.

I don't know if I'll have wifi again until late sunday night, but I know Swoosh and some guys from TPR should be posting some great pics tomorrow.

By the way, they've really flown with the track installation. It looks like nearly all the bents are in place, and it's tracked on at least one side all the way through the double drop section, and then it has track again on the final elements. It looks like they have nearly finished the final elements, so they must have planned on having them ready to show off tomorrow.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 08, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
Swoosh and Shave...keep us posted! Photos aplenty, please, and any scans of press materials that you can do would be great as well. Thanks so much guys, I just wish I could be there! Anyone else on park Thursday? Please, post what you can, as soon as you can! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 08, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
Man, how I wish I could be there tomorrow! Don't worry, I'm going to have a lot of fun at work here in Kansas bright and early tomorrow.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 08, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
Good news, this cabin (or giant house, rather) has wifi after all. Unfortunately, I didn't bring cables to upload my photos, so you'll have to wait until Sunday or Monday for my coverage, but here's a thread on TPR that will have coverage: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1212628#p1212628

And of course, midwestinfoguide.com will be updated soon after with some great photos too, and silverdollarcity2013.com will have some great animations and artwork as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 08, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
Thanks shave, looking forward to your coverage! Glad you got the perspective today from the train. Seeing it in person is quite the contrast to the art etc. So cool. Local news did a teaser tonight. They'll be covering it nicely as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2012, 11:46:30 PM
Get her swoosh.
She thinks we don't know. Something tells me
The bragging posts from some will end tomorrow.
Then it will be only the regulars again.  I look forward to that.

Well, I thought this was a place for fans of SDC to come to talk about and share what's happening but guess I was wrong. I certainly did not intend to brag, rather share in the excitement of the new attraction. I was just excited about seeing the small bit of info that we will all see tomorrow anyway.

I've been visiting SDC since I was a small kid and as a long time fan of SDC, I have loved visiting this site and being part of the conversation. It's too bad that some seem to act like they are the only ones that can contribute to the conversation with their rude and sarcastic remarks. I suppose if you do want to run people off, that's what you will get in the end. What a great representation of an awesome place like SDC. Yes, mhguy77 and swoosh, I'm talking to you.

Everyone enjoy the announcement tomorrow. Also, still a dude.

Cool story, bro.
As tempting as it is to out you more than I already have, I'll keep it chill and play along.

Mamma is totally a dud... man this is harder than I thought... dude looks like a lady... I mean guy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 08, 2012, 11:54:12 PM
^I can't even follow what's going on there, but let's keep it focused on the topic at hand please.

Another note I have from today: the station looks GREAT. Like, really great. It really brings out the old time charm and characteristic architecture of the park. They have a stagecoach parked in front of it for the announcement tomorrow. I'll bet it ends up as part of the area theming.

It looks like the queue line enters the building from the side, but I can't tell where it is going to start. They'll probably have an overflow area outside the actual building that will be built later. I hope there's some concept art of the actual area itself tomorrow.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2012, 12:35:44 AM
Swoosh it's cool man. Hey I think Kiddy Land down in Pittsburgh, Kansas is bout to break some news. Can't wait to see your update! Try spell check on your website dude.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2012, 12:39:02 AM
Ten hours to go!! Wish I could be at SDC but I'll be watching the Internet closely tomorrow morning like most of us. It'll be a big day in SDC's history for sure!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 01:00:13 AM
Swoosh it's cool man. Hey I think Kiddy Land down in Pittsburgh, Kansas is bout to break some news. Can't wait to see your update! Try spell check on your website dude.

and I am sure you've seen photos from the top of the lift hill there too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
Well it's been awhile since I've been there but the drop on Outlaw Run is one of the Most exciting I've ever seen on a woodie. Can't wait to ride it! Dude just get over the fact you're not the only one in the know about this attraction. It's kind of pathetic. Oh wait, you have info on The remodel of Aunt Polly's. Can't wait for the update!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 09, 2012, 06:43:39 AM
KY3 said just now on the morning news that they will have the news of the announcement on all the news blocks today as well as all of their various digital presences.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 09, 2012, 07:25:48 AM
Well it's been awhile since I've been there but the drop on Outlaw Run is one of the Most exciting I've ever seen on a woodie. Can't wait to ride it! Dude just get over the fact you're not the only one in the know about this attraction. It's kind of pathetic. Oh wait, you have info on The remodel of Aunt Polly's. Can't wait for the update!


LET'S ALL BE NICE!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 07:31:15 AM
Today is the day. My tv is on KY3, my internet tabs are set, and I am jazzed on fruit loops. Cant wait to see pictures/videos. Thanks in advance to all the postings to come with updates!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 07:52:05 AM
I'm so excited! I could barely sleep last night! I'm curious about these apparent suprises there will be. Only about 2 and a half hours! YeeeHaw!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 09, 2012, 08:19:29 AM
100.5 the wolf will be broadcasting live. I believe you can go to there website and listen to there broadcast from there for those of you who cant get there signal.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 09, 2012, 08:53:38 AM
Sitting here at work, with a tab at the top of the screen set to SDCFans!! Anxiously waiting with all of you!  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 09:06:04 AM
Getting ready to head to the construction site, this should be a fun morning.

It's kind of pathetic.

Yes, you getting so worked up is very much so. Sorry that I got you all worked up.  Next time I won't call you out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 09, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Guesses on if there will be enough traffic on SilverDollarCity2013.com in ~1.5 hours to break the site?
I admit I'm sitting there now, watching the seconds tick off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Anymore back and forth and I won't hesitate to just start banning people. This is NOT the time and place for it. Final Warning.

Anyway, I'm about to head out there myself. Guess I'll swing by Wilson's farm first thing and see if I can see any of the media events through the fence.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
Well the ticker has stopped but nothing has happened on the site. BOOOO!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
And you must be admin to access it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2012, 10:32:19 AM
Wait for it...  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 09, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
I think we froze the site up! Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
I'm trying but I'm far to excited and GIDDY!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jdporte on August 09, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
http://social.silverdollarcity.com/BDg

AMAZING!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 09, 2012, 10:39:31 AM
http://social.silverdollarcity.com/BDg

AMAZING!

THAT is a thing of beauty!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 10:42:57 AM
OMG! All I can say is OMG!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
WEBSITE IS UP!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
Outlaw Run! 3 inversions total! The curtain has been droped
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 10:47:49 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 09, 2012, 10:49:41 AM
How are you guys seeing this?  The website takes me back to the countdown.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 09, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
Site looks pretty close to the same as it did when it leaked. Photo of the barrel roll looks ridiculous. Just unreal. A little bummed it appears they do not have a full ride animation video up as of now. Unless, I'm not seeing it. Just looks like a teaser video at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
http://www.silverdollarcity2013.com/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 09, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
Okay...must have been frozen; it's working now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 09, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
I was hoping for more concept artwork as well. I figure a lot more will be added later. And what about those other surprises we were promised?  Nothing new I've seen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
Here's another different perspective of the barrel rolls from the Spfd News Leader.  

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20120809/NEWS01/308090099/SILVER-DOLLAR-CITY-ROLLER-COASTER-BRANSON-MISSOURI?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE&nclick_check=1
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 11:02:13 AM
Just found out you can scroll down and see more. I am so dingy
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Kentucky Optimist on August 09, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
I know nothing about coaster design, so I apologize if this has already been discussed...
With all the inversions and the outside banked turn, how are they going to keep my butt planted in the seat?  The artwork looks like a regular train with lap bars...won't it need shoulder harnesses like WF?  I sure don't see anything coming over the shoulders of the riders in their artwork.  I'm just dreaming of the lap bars from FItH trying to keep me in place for an outside banked turn and two barrel rolls...YIKES!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2012, 11:22:14 AM
Ahhhh it's amazing!! Worth the wait for sure. I hope they add more concept art pictures to the site as well. Bring on 2013!!! Congrats on an amazing ride SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 09, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
Just found out you can scroll down and see more. I am so dingy

No you're not, Trams.  The first time I tried, there wasn't anything to scroll to either - because I tried.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 09, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Congratulations Silver Dollar City! This is definitely going to bring in the crowds!

Silver Dollar City is probably still trying to keep most of the layout, and turn by turn animations of the coaster under wraps simply because they don’t want to spoil the entire ride for first time riders.

Everything is coming together nicely! It has finally graduated from just a rumor in the backwoods to a reality.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 11:43:07 AM
http://midwestinfoguide.com/new/outlawrun/

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: danajo on August 09, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
I am glad you guys are enjoying all the photos I have been taking during construction.  Looking down the drop hill and through the barrel roll are definitely my favorite.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
WOW!!  4 record breaking cooncepts on this thing..!!!  This will pretty well gaurantee increase in crowds next year. lots of people will be here to ride tthe new stagecoach......

BUT, What I want to know is.........................  Where is the Tunnel??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

OH, Wait.. There isnt a Tunnel!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 09, 2012, 11:55:06 AM
^ ROFL, Nope there sure isnt! haha  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on August 09, 2012, 11:56:16 AM
There is a ride animation on Youtube @ "Outlaw Run" Silver Dollar Cit 2013 (No Limits)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
Quite a few shots from the presser today from KTTS including inside the station.

http://www.ktts.com/photos/newsphotos/silver-dollar-city-announcement-165584336.html?page=1
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
The section placed today (exit of barrel rolls) is valued at $32,000.  To put that in perspective, that's more than the initial investment on SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 12:05:51 PM
It will be accessed through Wilson's Farm
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Colby Cox on August 09, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
Holy cow. Never have I been more excited to ride a roller coaster. This thing looks fantastic! I'm only sad that there was no animation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 12:40:02 PM
The section placed today (exit of barrel rolls) is valued at $32,000.  To put that in perspective, that's more than the initial investment on SDC


Swoosh, that is a interestiong, and if you think about it a little while,.....actual a little mind boggling.... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 09, 2012, 01:42:26 PM
Was anything mentioned about any of the other upgrades to the park that we have heard about?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 09, 2012, 02:19:37 PM
Here's another different perspective of the barrel rolls from the Spfd News Leader.  

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20120809/NEWS01/308090099/SILVER-DOLLAR-CITY-ROLLER-COASTER-BRANSON-MISSOURI?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE&nclick_check=1
Awesome picture...It has always amazed me how they can get the wood to bend like that...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
When I get home I'll post the site plan.
New photo/merchandise area built into station.
Most of queue is outdoors but covered.

Also... heard an interesting tidbit on where the next expansion will be, but lets enjoy this for now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 02:53:55 PM
swoosh, that all looks great...and good info too..thanks.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: underdog on August 09, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
I'm so excited. This coaster is a lot more extreme than I thought. Glad the powers that be are trying to stay competitive with their rides. I'm excited to learn what Swoosh caught wind of today at the park for future expansion plans! MORE!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on August 09, 2012, 04:12:26 PM
I'm disappointed that they didn't show off the design of the train cars!  :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 04:15:53 PM
I would imagine the day the cars arrive, pics will be loaded onto SDC and Facebook...!!!!

we will see regular updates now i would guess....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 09, 2012, 04:21:52 PM
Thanks to everyone for posting links or photos today! Special thanks to Swoosh and Shave. This will be an awsome addition to the park. I'm still sad they could not implement the old Robbers Shack into the design, and I am still scratching my head as to why they didn't use the Butterfield Stagecoach line instead of the Great Western Line, or whatever it is, but all in all...A WONDERFUL ADDITION AND A BIG, BIG CONGRATULATIONS to all the park staff who worked so hard to put this together.  ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on August 09, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
The pictures look very intimidating!!! But I'm so excited!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 05:08:42 PM
I'm disappointed that they didn't show off the design of the train cars!  :(

A car is at the park, but not on the "tour"
Don't have clearance to post photo yet, sorry.
No OTSRs that I could tell
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
AND the concept art does not idicate OTSR's  either.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 06:12:35 PM
is the stagecoach pictured a redone butterfield? new paint??
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cjfootball_89 on August 09, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
I thought for sure that they would show off the train cars today! Darn!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 09, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
At just 87 seconds, it's a short ride, but it's certainly action packed. After you crest the lift hill, it just doesn't let up. With that kind of intensity, I don't think many people could stand it for two minutes or longer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 09, 2012, 06:43:13 PM
Swoosh, how many trains will this operate with?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2012, 06:46:56 PM
MH, according to the "spec" page....  2 trains..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 07:00:05 PM
Hopefully the wait wont be a long one with two trains running and each ride being pert near a min and a half.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: StaceySue on August 09, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
Thanks for all the info!  I thought about the announcement a few times today while I was working on my classroom, but I knew I would have a great treat waiting for me when I got home.  I can't wait to ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2012, 07:44:50 PM
They're expecting a 65% increase in attendance next year. That seems like a lot but will be great for the park! No doubt longer lines though...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 09, 2012, 07:58:11 PM
With the short ride time I am hoping they have a high speed lift. It would be better if the majority of the time is spent on the coaster and not on the lift.  Looks like we will be buying the seasons passes again this year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Oh man, what a day. I had a fantastic time at the park today. Not only was the park itself great today, but I also got the opportunity to attend an announcement dinner with various park vendors and a complete tour of the ride. I also got to meet Brad Thomas and a several people from various parts of the park's marketing department. It was a tremendous time and I can't say how grateful I am for the experience.

I'm probably more pumped for this ride now than anything else I can remember. Getting to see it up close was awe inspiring. I noted last night how every piece of track is doing something incredible, and I certainly will say that again now.

The drop is just insane. I knew all along that we were getting bad angles in our photos, but even I was surprised at how big and extreme it was when I finally got a good look at it. All of the turns look like they will be incredible, including the turn that goes through the lift hill, and the turn out of the double barrel rolls. The tree cover is really well done also.

There's a lot more I want to say, and I'm sure I will later when I have more time. I wish I had brought my cables so that I could upload my photos. I took a ton from as many angles as I could. I guess I'll get those posted on Sunday night.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 08:27:11 PM
You should have said hello at lunch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
^I wasn't at the lunch, it was a smaller dinner with various vendors, mainly Branson marketers and ticket sellers.

Another thing I should note is that the thematic elements of this ride are really well done. The whole stagecoach theme of the station looks like it is going to be pulled off really well, and I enjoy the depth they've put into the story and theme behind the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 09, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Not to mention the Sam Elliot sound alike voice! Nice touch SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on August 09, 2012, 08:55:32 PM
Ohhhhh....A COASTER...THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING!!  :D

Thanks for all the updates!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on August 09, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
I picked up a few extra special edition pathfinders today with the announcement stating all of the coasters facts, if anyone would like a copy email me and I'll gladly send you one!!  cryingdove32@yahoo.com
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on August 09, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
Ohh Ohh pick me Pick me emmabugsmama! (and yes I really did email you!)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: PastorDon on August 09, 2012, 10:10:18 PM
This is the first time I've been here in quite a while and I enjoyed looking at the discussions so far, but apart from "it will be accessed through Wilson's Farm", I haven't seen anything about where this thing is going to be located.  Apparently it doesn't involve the old waterboggan site as was speculated previously?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on August 09, 2012, 10:14:39 PM
Boy!  You guys go nuts over any little thing that has an SDC stamp on it.  ;)  

Some things I heard in the "town meeting" before the press got the news and hasn't been mentioned here yet:  
1. Each train will seat 24 people.  
2. The minimum height requirement will be 48".  
3. The cars employ lap restraints, specially designed, and tested by RMC at their home base in Idaho.  They tested it with a child that just met the height requirement and a woman that weighed over 300 lbs, suspending them upside down, and they experienced no problems.  
4. Brad T. said there was something neat planned to go in close to the loading station but he wouldn't say what it was.

No, PastorDon, it doesn't.  The load station sits right where the old robber shack did, behind the Opera House, and the ride goes towards Hobo Jnct. and back.
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on August 09, 2012, 10:19:17 PM
Oh wow! I like #3. It's awesome they took so many steps to ensure the riders' safety as well as making sure as large a range of sizes of people can ride. Awesomeness.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 09, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
Thanks to everybody for all the updates and pictures...This is going to be one amazing ride...I've already decided I'm going to buy a mug...even if it is only valid for that one season...heck...maybe I'll buy 2...Look forward to the additional information you have on this attraction Swoosh...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 10:38:13 PM
Here are photos from the construction site. 
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/outlawrun/08.09.12/




I'm still working on editing the photos from the announcement ceremony.
I'll try to get to them done tonight.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
I also have a few copies of the special pathfinder announcement issue. I will scan one and post it when I get a chance next week.

One thing that I found interesting but forgot to ask about is the queue line - it looks really small in the "blue prints" of the area that were released. There's a small shaded queue area that goes into an even smaller covered queue area right outside the station. There is no actual queuing inside the station except for individual rows. There is a larger 'overflow' queuing area though, but even with that it doesn't look like it will be enough queue space. There's only 2 trains on this coaster, and if one goes down I can see waits taking over an hour easily. This will certainly be the most popular ride in the park for the next few years at least.

Also, those footers we talked about long ago just outside the station are indeed for the exit pathway that will go over the start of the lift hill. It's been mostly built already actually.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 09, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
EXCELLENT REPORT, Swoosh! Thanks so much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 10:50:28 PM
Here are photos from the construction site. 
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/outlawrun/08.09.12/

Quoted for those that might have missed it due to the new page


4. Brad T. said there was something neat planned to go in close to the loading station but he wouldn't say what it was.

Stage coach.  It is already there and is also on the site plans.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
One thing that I found interesting but forgot to ask about is the queue line - it looks really small in the "blue prints" of the area that were released. There's a small shaded queue area that goes into an even smaller covered queue area right outside the station. There is no actual queuing inside the station except for individual rows. There is a larger 'overflow' queuing area though, but even with that it doesn't look like it will be enough queue space. There's only 2 trains on this coaster, and if one goes down I can see waits taking over an hour easily. This will certainly be the most popular ride in the park for the next few years at least.

Where the tent was set up for the radio reporters to be stationed is where the outdoor shaded queue area will go.  It is not built yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Wow, thanks for the update Swoosh and Steve. This thing really looks insane and unlike anything SDC has done in the past. I will ride anything and not be scared, but some of these inversions look pretty "gnarly" (seems like the best word to use). So excited to experience them all for the first time.

I also love the look of the station. Reminds me of Wildfire in that it isn't just a regular old building. Really fits the theme of the ride and is a part of the entire attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on August 09, 2012, 11:32:06 PM
I must say that this ride is such a beauty.  Glad that sdc is getting such a wonderful ride.  I think there is something in store like Zephon said. I know that it isn't the stage coach. They just can not tell anyone yet.

Btw all those picture that you put up on midwestinfoguide are wonderful! Thanks for the update!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on August 09, 2012, 11:33:50 PM
OK, First Rides, Who gets them?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on August 09, 2012, 11:40:56 PM
I think they should let us SDCFans get first ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2012, 11:41:49 PM
Added some new concept photos including the site layout to the press release page on MiG
http://midwestinfoguide.com/new/outlawrun/

If you go by the concept art, Zephon was alluding to the stage coach.

Here is the construction site tour if you missed it
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/outlawrun/08.09.12/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 10, 2012, 12:02:53 AM
 ^ Awesome pics and commentary! Best I've seen so far. So wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on August 10, 2012, 07:45:43 AM
I have an inkling, Swoosh, that by the teasing tone in Brad's attitude when he told us, it's going to be more than just a stagecoach.  He also said it hasn't been built yet, so if the stagecoach is there, that rules that out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on August 10, 2012, 08:24:00 AM
They're expecting a 65% increase in attendance next year. That seems like a lot but will be great for the park! No doubt longer lines though...

I heard a 65,000 increase in attendance for next year  ???.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 10, 2012, 08:28:37 AM
If you look at Swooshs art work they have " Sponsorship Opportunity" written all over the building.  Usually they do this tastefully.  Its tough for me to come up with any product off the top of my head with the exception of Coke that could remotely belong.  Visions of Germex written in blue on the roof haunt me and make be shutter a little......tell me it isn't so....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on August 10, 2012, 08:35:28 AM
OK, First Rides, Who gets them?

On KY3 news out of Springfield Mo at noon yesterday, Sherry Herschend (Who is Jack Herschend's wife) said "She would love to be the first to ride if they would let her".  They went on to say that she considered herself a thrill seeker and when Wildfire opened she rode it 11 straight times.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 10, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
When we were there on Sunday we peeked at the station through the Wilson's Farm fence. It seems like an awful big expanse of gravel between the two. Have they said what will be done with the area? Paved, trees, or will that all be for the queue? I personally feel the space needs some trees, but then again they don't fit as well with the Western theme-ing in the area.  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 10, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
I've already decided I'm going to buy a mug...even if it is only valid for that one season...heck...maybe I'll buy 2...

My hubby said pretty much the same thing, that we would have to buy mugs this next year just because of Outlaw.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 10, 2012, 09:29:08 AM
When we were there on Sunday we peeked at the station through the Wilson's Farm fence. It seems like an awful big expanse of gravel between the two. Have they said what will be done with the area? Paved, trees, or will that all be for the queue? I personally feel the space needs some trees, but then again they don't fit as well with the Western theme-ing in the area.  :-\

That's for the "western themed" balloon ride of course!! haha
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 10, 2012, 10:14:17 AM
There will be a number of new trees planted in the area that is now just gravel. Check out this photo that Swoosh posted on MIG: http://midwestinfoguide.com/new/outlawrun/6.jpg

I still think the queue area looks really small in the plans. That's only a handful of switchbacks before they have to start using the overflow. I guess we'll see though, most of the plan views are somewhat deceiving.

The interesting new thing outside the station is probably the new vendor cart which will serve a new kind of food for the city. I heard them talking about it a bit yesterday, but I don't think it's been finalized yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on August 10, 2012, 10:21:39 AM
I will be at the city this afternoon, have they gotten rid of the big banner that says silverdollarcity2013.com yet so you can see down the hill?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Chad91 on August 10, 2012, 10:55:47 AM
Hopefully the ride will have a high height requirement. The inversions will keep old people away and with a high height requirement it will keep the kiddies away, meaning short lines for me  8)

Anyways why is it the SDC has not hyped this up to its full potential? I mean why couldnt they post a full animated POV of the ride and then put it in the gift shops like six flags does with their new rides. Its almost like who ever runs the marketing is kicking it old school, which isn't cool.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 10, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
I just hope "western" isn't the new theme of the future. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
^Look at the site map that is on the press release page of my website to see what will happen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 10, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
^^^^Yes, the banner is gone, but it's just a mess of wood from that angle.

Anyways why is it the SDC has not hyped this up to its full potential? I mean why couldnt they post a full animated POV of the ride and then put it in the gift shops like six flags does with their new rides. Its almost like who ever runs the marketing is kicking it old school, which isn't cool.

What on earth are you talking about? They've hyped the heck out of this thing. People all around the world are talking about it. They kept it under wraps as long as they could to keep from hurting their ticket sales for this year. I mean, it's not even half way through August yet.

An accurate POV would be very hard to produce for this coaster. Like I keep saying, it is NOT on flat ground and actually runs over a very diverse terrain. Besides, they've already shown everything that they need to get people excited. No need to run it into the ground with POV's of every angle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Parson B Ready on August 10, 2012, 12:33:18 PM
This new coaster looks awesome! Now I just hope I have the nerve to ride it.  I'll probably make/let the kids ride it first.  ;)   Someone asked about a height requirement.  The info on the website says 48".  http://silverdollarcity2013.com/details/fact-sheet/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 10, 2012, 01:08:47 PM
I just hope "western" isn't the new theme of the future. 

The theme has always been a bit of a hodgepodge. The Hatfields and McCoys had nothing to do with the area, but they played up the "hillbilly feud" for decades.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 10, 2012, 01:17:35 PM
Looking at Swoosh's pics on MIG, where the track passes through the lift hill is almost a tunnel feature. If it was enclosed, it would be.

Looks like a head chopper feature, riding very close to the ground.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
Here are photos from the announcement
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/outlawrun/announcement/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on August 10, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
Swoosh and shave, Did I hear correct that you were not allowed down by the wave turn?  Is it possible that there could be a tunnel down in that area?  I seem to recall a poster saying he/she had seen a tunnel down in the valley.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 10, 2012, 02:38:25 PM
I would not be suprised if SDC instaled a stage coach water play area out front. It makes sence that they would so something to keep the small ones busy at this is a dead end area at this time. They have a milking cow out front of the swing.
I dont think that a water play area would be out of the question.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 10, 2012, 02:41:13 PM
SDC is NOT six flags. It is not Cedar Point or WOF. It is SDC and original. I am glad there isnt more posted. I want surprise and anticipation. SDC may be old school and that is fine with me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
There might be some sort of kiddie play area like what is near Thunderhead at Dollywood, but I wouldn't count on it.  You have High Low Silo next door as well as the Milking Cow and Frog Float.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on August 10, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
I was just reading on the Tri-Lakes News Website that it could open a early as December.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 10, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
That would be cool but I dont think it will be open to the public then....I would think they would need to do testing first right??
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 10, 2012, 05:34:37 PM
Headline and cover of the Northwest Arkansas edition of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette entertainment section for today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan  Yes, they are talkin' up the new SDC coaster!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on August 10, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
I just had a thought. I wonder how many people will try and buy the trailblazers pass???  Especially with the waits that are likely to come to the new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 10, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
If the line were crazy long I might buy a $5 1 ride pass but that would be it.  If I am not mistaken you get to ride each of 5 or 6 rides 1 time each. So you cant buy a pass and use it 6 times for 1 ride.........know what I mean?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on August 11, 2012, 01:06:39 AM
If the line were crazy long I might buy a $5 1 ride pass but that would be it.  If I am not mistaken you get to ride each of 5 or 6 rides 1 time each. So you cant buy a pass and use it 6 times for 1 ride.........know what I mean?


Nope, The Standard Trailblazers Pass allows you 8 rides with no waits for $25 or Unlimited for $50. The passes can only be used a certain rides like Powder Keg, Train, WildFire, ETC! You can use the pass at any combination of all rides on to only 1 ride over and over again. If you use the pass at the same ride over and over again you have to wait 10 minutes between rides if using it again at the same ride.

Unless they change the rule on reuse at a ride next year you can get plenty of rides on Outlaw Run with it assuming they allow you to use the pass on the new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 11, 2012, 07:39:27 AM
I am betting they come up with a modification to that rule about riding the same ride over and over.
Sounds to me like 2 of us could purchase a pass and then each of us use it to ride the new coaster separately.
Personally I buy the seasons pass and I don't feel as compelled to stand in line each time I am at the city. If the lines are long I wait for the next trip and don't feel bad about it. Its a definite advantage.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 11, 2012, 11:07:40 AM
There will be a number of new trees planted in the area that is now just gravel. Check out this photo that Swoosh posted on MIG: http://midwestinfoguide.com/new/outlawrun/6.jpg

403

All the larger photos there are 403. Swoosh, can you fix the permissions?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2012, 04:16:56 PM
Nope, it prevents hotlinking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 11, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Swoosh what are your thoughts or suspicions about what they are building at the new coaster?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 11, 2012, 09:53:59 PM
Hopefully the ride will have a high height requirement. The inversions will keep old people away and with a high height requirement it will keep the kiddies away, meaning short lines for me  8)

Anyways why is it the SDC has not hyped this up to its full potential? I mean why couldnt they post a full animated POV of the ride and then put it in the gift shops like six flags does with their new rides. Its almost like who ever runs the marketing is kicking it old school, which isn't cool.
Pretty selfish mentality....they are paying customers too...of course I understand the excitement of riding this awesome coaster....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 12, 2012, 10:44:23 AM
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Hopefully the ride will have a high height requirement. The inversions will keep old people away and with a high height requirement it will keep the kiddies away, meaning short lines for me 

If you will just go on a weekday early in the season you will have a short line.  The weekends are when the lines really get crazy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 12, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
I wonder how the line at Powderkeg will change with this new addition.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
I don't think there will be much change, if anything it will be longer as I expect the coaster to bring in a lot of new guests next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Thunderation on August 12, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Just imagine what the traffic will be like in the morning when this thing opens it is crazy enough on a regular weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2012, 11:04:12 PM
I don't think the "huge rush" will come until Summer.  I would imagine that World Fest will still be relatively quiet like normal.  Spring Break Days might be busier than normal.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 12, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
I am curious about the steps involved in getting on and off this coaster.  On Powderkeg there are stairs. on AP there are stairs, what are  the entrances and exits like on Outlaw run?  Flat or do they have you walking stairs?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 12, 2012, 11:57:26 PM
^There is a plan of the area among the coverage on TPR: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1212990#p1212990

I'll scan in a copy of the announcement brochure that also has that plan on it tomorrow. There are no stairs, just ramps. It's ADA accessible all the way with no elevators or anything required.

In other news, I'm busy uploading photos to this gallery: http://sdcfans.com/photos/feat/24
Got a few more to go though. I'm just posting the best construction photos I have for now. I have a lot more that I might add in later just for those that are obsessing over the construction and haven't been able to see it with their own eyes yet.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Pintrader on August 13, 2012, 09:14:38 AM
I was kind of wondering what kind of observation view Outlaw Run was going to have for people who were waiting for others to ride?  With out a doubt it's not going to be as good as Wildfire or even Powder Keg with the ride going into the woods, but it would be nice to have a good view of the lift and return home.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 13, 2012, 09:19:29 AM
Just standing outside the station you'll be able too see the lift and the brake run back into the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2012, 10:42:27 AM
I am curious about the steps involved in getting on and off this coaster.  On Powderkeg there are stairs. on AP there are stairs, what are  the entrances and exits like on Outlaw run?  Flat or do they have you walking stairs?

There is a plan on the press release page on my website.  It is easier to find and will help you avoid going to TPR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on August 13, 2012, 01:46:54 PM
Yeah, it doesn't look like there are any stairs, which is really nice.

I think it's really cool that you get to walk over the lift on your way off the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
You technically get to walk over the lift on Wildfire too. ;D

The only stairs in the entire building are emergency access stairs between the shop and the load station.  The rest of the area is ramps.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Chad91 on August 13, 2012, 03:16:41 PM
This is what SDC should of done with their new coaster marketing wise:

http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28853&start=12920

Cedar Point did a live stream announcement at their front gate. Why couldn't SDC do something like that? Its not that hard to hook a web cam up. I mean shoot the least they could of done is give out cookies to guest while showing them the few concepts arts they have. SDC really is stuck in the past  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2012, 03:36:29 PM
^While that would have been nice, CP and SDC certainly have slightly different crowds to appeal to. The way SDC has marketed Outlaw has worked out just fine. They actually had a bunch of pathfinder-like announcement flyers set out for people to grab in the park, and it was talked about a lot on the train and tram rides, so essentially everyone on park that day heard about it. And of course everyone who follows them online has heard about it too. A live stream wouldn't have been that amazing really, the micro site was good enough. Don't even get me started on the logistics challenges of "simply" handing out cookies to guests...


Anyway though, as I noted on one of the photos I posted (http://sdcfans.com/photos/feat/24), the ramp you will go down to enter the station is right up against the break run where riders will be returning just after having completed the two inclined barrel rolls. I am sure there will be some fun times there watching people's reactions. There is no specific viewing area though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 13, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
"...SDC is really stuck in the past." Um, duh? And why cookies? What is the point of the cookies? I would rather they take what they would have spent on cookies and running a live feed and place that money into fantastic theming. Worth more to me then a stale cookie and a lousy live feed. But that is me.  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 13, 2012, 05:13:45 PM
SDC really is stuck in the past  ::)

How much money did you make running your theme park last year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 13, 2012, 06:43:29 PM
SDC really is stuck in the past  ::)

How much money did you make running your theme park last year?

It is an 1880's theme park after all...anyway, I think they did a perfectly fine job marketing the new ride...guess I can't figure out the hang up on this or why it has become such a big issue for some...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 13, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
Hopefully the ride will have a high height requirement. The inversions will keep old people away and with a high height requirement it will keep the kiddies away, meaning short lines for me  8)

Anyways why is it the SDC has not hyped this up to its full potential? I mean why couldnt they post a full animated POV of the ride and then put it in the gift shops like six flags does with their new rides. Its almost like who ever runs the marketing is kicking it old school, which isn't cool.
Help me understand your reasoning here...on one hand you want lines to be short so that you don't have such a long wait and then a couple of times since you've knocked SDC for their marketing of the ride...wouldn't the marketing you wished they would have done made the lines longer for you? Seems contradictory but to each his own...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2012, 07:17:01 PM
^Obviously that first comment was tongue-in-cheek, hence the smiley.

For what it's worth, I'm expecting SDC's online announcement efforts to grow with future additions. This is only the second attraction ever from SDC to even have it's own website for the announcement (Tom & Huck's being the first from what I can tell), and they are making more and more effort to use social media and web technologies where it makes sense. In the end though, they didn't do what Cedar Point did because they aren't Cedar Point and they didn't need too. Who knows what they'll do for the next one though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2012, 07:18:14 PM
Don't even try to reason with him, he's one of Blobb's minions and once they get their opinion formed (and when I say "their" I mean "Blobb's") they won't change it.  That board is beyond pathetic which is why I avoid it.

They did a great job with Outlaw Run.  There was no need to do a live broadcast as all media from the area was present.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Sparky on August 13, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
I agree with both of you. The Park had one of the best teasers going just from the location of the ride without announcing any construction. Then when they did do the announcement all of the area news and radio stations were there. I believe that included stations from Little Rock.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 13, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
"...SDC is really stuck in the past." Um, duh? And why cookies? What is the point of the cookies? I would rather they take what they would have spent on cookies and running a live feed and place that money into fantastic theming. Worth more to me then a stale cookie and a lousy live feed. But that is me.  :-\

I'll second that!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 13, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Anyway though, as I noted on one of the photos I posted (http://sdcfans.com/photos/feat/24)

Shave, thanks for the awesome report. You and chadster over at TPR (great site as well) had the best reports out there. I really liked your shots from UNDER the first inversion before the double down. Really interesting, different perspective. Did they say why you didn't get to go back to see the wave turn and get closer to the barrel rolls? Can't wait to see some more shots of those.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 13, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
I thought about whether they should include a POV video animation of the ride as part of the promo. For some it might be a spoiler, but for most others it wouldn't.

I finally decided that the best reason to not release a video, is simply that video couldn't do it justice. Without 3D, you'd lose the perspective of rushing so close to the ground, and the headchopper sensation of passing back under the lift. And of course the inversions wouldn't be the same as if they were experienced first hand.

That said, I'll sure be watching for the first live video taken from the ride, even if it's illicit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2012, 10:01:02 PM
Were any details given at the announcement about how soon it will be before the ride is completely tracked and they begin testing? I'm dying to see trains run through this layout. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
December is the date that they are giving as to when testing will begin. I'm sure they'll be close to finished tracking the ride by late October.  There is still quite a bit that needs to be done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
Anyway though, as I noted on one of the photos I posted (http://sdcfans.com/photos/feat/24)

Shave, thanks for the awesome report. You and chadster over at TPR (great site as well) had the best reports out there. I really liked your shots from UNDER the first inversion before the double down. Really interesting, different perspective. Did they say why you didn't get to go back to see the wave turn and get closer to the barrel rolls? Can't wait to see some more shots of those.

Thanks mammalone. We didn't go down by the wave turn because they didn't want to take up too much time, and probably because there's not a good path over there with all the construction stuff, and because there's really not all that much to see there. That's the last place other than the break run where they were actually still putting up bents and maybe the last footers.

I'll bet they could finish tracking this thing in a month from now, depending on what pace they want to work at. Everything from the lift through the 153 seems to be tracked, and then the barrel rolls are tracked all the way through as well, so that leaves a little over half the ride to just put track on. They've got plenty of time now though. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Sparky on August 14, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
Remember with this type of track the top section is filled with grout. They haven't started doing that yet. The other thing that I noticed in the pictures is alot of the structure only has temporary screws holding it together. After the rest has been assembled they will start installing the rest of the permanent bolts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: runner1960 on August 14, 2012, 06:23:20 PM
Does anyone know what the tempature range will be for the outlaw? Most steel coasters are somewhere around 30 degrees on the low side. Just wondering how much winter testing they will get and the use during OTC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on August 14, 2012, 11:46:41 PM
I dont think they have a temperature yet, but that is my understanding.  I was curious about that too.  I say it will be in the higher 30s lower 40s range.  Or that is what i was told.  Could easily be wrong though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 15, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
crash, i am sure that will be the correct range,  with computer sensor and so on.....anything belong 36 - 38 degrees will afffect them.... also I am sure just a little moisture in the air wiil stop the ride also......... Just like PK...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 15, 2012, 07:58:37 AM
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also I am sure just a little moisture in the air will stop the ride also......... Just like PK...
Sandune I was thinking about this very issue the other day.  The question that came to mind is how do they do it in Orlando?
They have almost daily rains in the summer and they certainly cant afford to shut down as often as SDC shuts down PK.
I wonder what allotments they have made with their designs to minimise the impact of moisture?
PS: I am going up this weekend for a few hours.  Should be a quick but fun trip.
All I have to say is Apple Dumpling !
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 15, 2012, 10:50:49 AM
The reason PK shuts down in rain has to do with the laser sensors and the moving track segment. The lasers give false readings when they're covered in water and the moving track table is liable to slip in wet conditions. Or at least this is what I've been told by attendants when it closes down... Outlaw shouldn't have the same issues, but just like the rest of the park, if there is lightning in the area it will have to shut down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 15, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
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and the moving track table is liable to slip in wet conditions. Or at least this is what I've been told by attendants when it closes down...
Even more you would think that they could build a themed roof on this as many riders as they lose do to closing the ride after a rain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 15, 2012, 09:35:29 PM
Yeah, you'd think by now they'd have covered that section up with a roof if it is such a problem.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 15, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
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Yeah, you'd think by now they'd have covered that section up with a roof if it is such a problem.
Amen Brutha
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: jmc75 on August 17, 2012, 01:31:19 PM
So With the new ride which by all rights should should be awesome, does anyone think they will raise season pass ticket prices very much
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 17, 2012, 01:37:35 PM
I imagine about 5 to 10 dollar more. but that's just a guess.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 17, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
I predict NO increase for the SP....  they may raise daily admission a buck or 2????...

buy early and save!!!! 

LOL!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on August 17, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
As I wrote on the trip review thread today after my trip (Aug. 17th) I was blown away by the progress on the new coaster. I had not been on park since May, and, well, this ride is gonna kick butt! Well done, SDC! (By the way, there were still many places on park to pick up the special Outlaw Run pathfinders, so if you get to the park in the next week or so, you should be able to pick one up if interested. I also noticed many of the "citizens" wearing Outlaw run buttons on their costumes today. The conductor on the train also talked about the ride and gave specifics about it...such as the 81 degree drop, the barrel rolls, and so on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 19, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Junior i agree i just got back from the city and this coaster is gonna be great! It supprised me how suddenly the double barrel rolls bank out and head back to the station!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on August 21, 2012, 07:48:12 AM
They just announced the dates for coaster Christmas this year (December 1st) who's planning to go? I'll be there! I think come December they will give us a real sweet walk back tour! We might even get a good look at the trains!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 21, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
I had never heard of Coaster Christmas before finding this place. I did some Google-ing, and it sounds like a lot of fun! Now I just need to work on convincing DH I need to go!

EDIT: Well poo! Just read closer, and you have to be the guest of a member to go. :( Ya'll have fun!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 21, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
Sign up for it.  Say that you are "guests" of me and you're good to go.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Saaam! on August 21, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
I'm hoping to go to Coaster Christmas. I have never gone, so I might bring along my friend. It just depends. It sounds really fun though!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 21, 2012, 07:17:29 PM
FTR - you can get a 6 month trial membership for ACE that is relatively inexpensive and you are "good to go" for Coaster Christmas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 23, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
I find it odd and very dissatisfying that SDC hyped the "unveiling" announcement for OR over the course of months, and there's been virtually nothing added to the promo site since. No additional photos of ongoing construction progress, no interviews with officials from RMC or SDC about the ride. And no POV video.

It's like having a carrot dangled in front of your face, and someone telling you you can look at hit, but can't have a taste for eight months.

Just seems like another missed marketing opportunity to keep the momentum going into season ticket sale time later this year. But I guess I'm also looking at it through the lens of an enthusiast, versus the general public who probably could care less about knowing more about all the little details and idiosyncracies of this increasingly anticipated ride.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Major Havoc on August 23, 2012, 05:49:53 PM
Incidentally, rumors are circling that the redo of the Rattler (Iron Rattler) down at Six Flags Fiesta Texas will also feature a barrel roll.  It's a race to be first, now, I guess.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 23, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
But I guess I'm also looking at it through the lens of an enthusiast, versus the general public who probably could care less about knowing more about all the little details and idiosyncracies of this increasingly anticipated ride.   

I think that's it. The major interest has passed, there's nothing left to hype. They will probably release more photos later on, and maybe video footage of the testing, but you can't expect them to keep you entertained with constant updates. After so much media attention, it's probably better to lay off it for awhile now and then get everyone's attention again closer to the actual ticket sales time.

I don't think there's much to wait for now except the arrival of the trains, testing, and opening day. Testing could begin as early as November I hear.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 23, 2012, 06:16:08 PM
Nov 1st.. that would be great, but no surprise. they have had perfect weather this year, and working 6 or 7 days a week should be way ahead of schedule...

hopefully they can be done and tested before the end of the year... That way they can concentrate on the rebuild that is going to happen "in' the park ;)

2013 should be a very good year!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 23, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
I find it odd and very dissatisfying that SDC hyped the "unveiling" announcement for OR over the course of months, and there's been virtually nothing added to the promo site since. No additional photos of ongoing construction progress, no interviews with officials from RMC or SDC about the ride. And no POV video.

It's like having a carrot dangled in front of your face, and someone telling you you can look at hit, but can't have a taste for eight months.

Just seems like another missed marketing opportunity to keep the momentum going into season ticket sale time later this year. But I guess I'm also looking at it through the lens of an enthusiast, versus the general public who probably could care less about knowing more about all the little details and idiosyncracies of this increasingly anticipated ride.   

U mad, bro?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 23, 2012, 11:55:09 PM
Not in the least. The timing of this project has just turned out to be totally anticlimactic. The project looked to be about 75% complete when they made the official announcement. Just seems really lame that we'll have look at a completed record-breaking coaster just sitting there for another six months before anyone will get the chance to ride it. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 24, 2012, 12:17:28 AM
We should all be grateful that the ride will be ready in easy time for the 2013 season. I can guarantee you that a number of the big SF and CF projects for 2013 won't even break ground until spring and then won't open until mid to late summer, as it has happened most years. I've been thrilled that we've at least had something to look at this summer instead of just having to sit around waiting until fall for a hint of something new.

August isn't even over yet...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 24, 2012, 11:50:06 AM
All relative, I guess. Personally, I much prefer the more traditional route. Announcement, break ground, construction, and ride opening shortly after completion. I'm thrilled with the addition of OR to the park, but being grateful seems a bit over the top. Fortunate feels more appropriate. After all, we do pay for the entertainment. And without our continued patronage, the park doesn't add new attractions, much lest exist.

I may be way wrong, but it seems like the entire cycle of this ride has been handled completely opposite of the way SDC typically adds major attractions. Totally understand though that the abnormal year of weather may have contributed to this in ways HFEC and SDC could have never envisioned. Who knows? Not trying to stir the pot or be critical, just wish there was more to continue the discussion, and I hate the thought of having to wait half of another year before OR is operational for public enjoyment. I do think the landscaping and details in and around the queue will really wind up making this area look first class when it's all said and done.

Any idea when the trains may be arriving? And has anyone been to the park since the announcement and taken any new pictures?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 24, 2012, 12:16:22 PM
All relative, I guess. Personally, I much prefer the more traditional route. Announcement, break ground, construction, and ride opening shortly after completion.

That would be logistically impossible with a ride this size, so close to other rides, and impossible to hide. With a year-long construction and testing schedule, it can't be built in the off season.

Wildfire and Powder Keg were also big and hard to hide, but they were built before everyone and everything was on the internet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 24, 2012, 03:44:14 PM
""""Wildfire and Powder Keg were also big and hard to hide, but they were built before everyone and everything was on the internet."""""

OH YES!!! the wonders of internet....LOL!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: underdog on August 24, 2012, 04:50:36 PM
FTR - you can get a 6 month trial membership for ACE that is relatively inexpensive and you are "good to go" for Coaster Christmas.

What are this year's dates for Coaster Christmas?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 24, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
I think they did an excellent job in building the suspense for the announcement.  Having a western theme is right up my alley!  I'm really getting excited thinking how they're going to theme it with stagecoaches, outlaws and lawmen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 25, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
I think they did an excellent job in building the suspense for the announcement.  Having a western theme is right up my alley!  I'm really getting excited thinking how they're going to theme it with stagecoaches, outlaws and lawmen.
I agree duelist...the whole them appeals to me as well...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 26, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
FTR - you can get a 6 month trial membership for ACE that is relatively inexpensive and you are "good to go" for Coaster Christmas.

What are this year's dates for Coaster Christmas?

First Saturday of December every year
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on August 28, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
I got a few pictures of the new roller coaster when I was at the City last Saturday. (Album should be public, if not let me know and I'll fix it.)

The pictures of the ride are sorta near the beginning of the album, mixed in with pictures from the train.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3718205682470.2143223.1495599105&type=3
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 28, 2012, 12:13:11 PM
Very cool. Looks like the station exterior is just about done, and the guardrails up the side of the lift look to be done too.

There's not a whole lot left to look for except the construction of the break run and the plaza. We could see them start on the former next week when the park goes back to weekend-only operations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 28, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
Hard to beleive that we will see even "more" progress starting next week.. But there will lots of change week to week with the park closed 3 days a week!! 

Bring it On!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 30, 2012, 08:44:25 AM
Here is the competition,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Ey4k6lN44&feature=plcp

seems they have beat both the speed and the height of Outlaw run.  However if past history and experience play true they will not have the class or the detail of SDCs ride.  Six Flags is just not the same class of park, if you dropped a duplicate ride into SDC it would just feel better, you cant match the setting and trees that SDC has to work with. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 30, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
^Well, it's a different type of track system, so they loose brownie points (with me anyway  :P) for that since it seems a little less daring than SDC's more brazen attempt at using as close to a traditional wood system as possible. Comparing the rides themselves, it's hard to say which will be better. We're really going to have to ride both, and even then I expect opinions to vary. It has a good drop, a barrel roll, some neat curves, and a tunnel, but IMO Outlaw has better curves, 2 barrel rolls, and airtime. I wish we had a tunnel as well though... The settings of both rides are going to be interesting and different.

I do agree though that in the long run Outlaw Run will likely keep it's appeal better than Iron Rattler. SDC simply treats their rides better, especially over the long run. Once they are built, they are part of a total park experience rather than just another piece of machinery.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 30, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
Quote
I wish we had a tunnel as well though...
SHHHH
Please lets let that tunnel thing die quietly .....



But they could add one in the future pretty easy...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 30, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
Here is the competition,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Ey4k6lN44&feature=plcp

seems they have beat both the speed and the height of Outlaw run.  However if past history and experience play true they will not have the class or the detail of SDCs ride.  Six Flags is just not the same class of park, if you dropped a duplicate ride into SDC it would just feel better, you cant match the setting and trees that SDC has to work with. 

Rattler uses the quarry rock wall -- which in its own right is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 30, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
Quote
Rattler uses the quarry rock wall -- which in its own right is pretty impressive.

Well I may be a little Six Flags jaded after being wanded on my last trip into the Gurney Ill park.  Metal detectors are thankfully unnecessary at SDC.  I bet the rock wall is cool but I still prefer SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 30, 2012, 06:55:47 PM
Quote
I wish we had a tunnel as well though...
SHHHH
Please lets let that tunnel thing die quietly .....



But they could add one in the future pretty easy...
....

Yea, MHguy,  i read it!!  What about that tunnel???  ??? ??? ??? ???D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 30, 2012, 09:29:07 PM
It looks like we've gotten our first glance at the RMC trains in the Iron Rattler concept art. Check out the overview photo at the end of this post: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1221857#p1221857

So the cars are articulated, but in that artwork they are 2-row cars instead of just one row. Maybe that's a glitch by the artist, or it's particular to IR, or the trains do in fact have 2-car trains, but I thought we had been told at some point that the trains would have single-row cars...

In any case, the most exciting element of trains are the open-air bucket seats. They look a little funky, but I'm sure they're designed to be as open as possible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 30, 2012, 10:50:01 PM
They said that the trains for IR will be the same design as those for NTAG
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 31, 2012, 09:45:53 AM
Still don't understand why we didn't get a POV video. Seems like every new major coaster project has one. And I agree about the tunnel. Seems like such an easy thing to add to a design, especially if it's simply building an enclosure over the track, versus excavation work and doing something underground a la TNT. Maybe they deliberately left it out to leave the door open for an even wilder Outlaw Run down the road.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on August 31, 2012, 01:40:07 PM
Here is the competition,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Ey4k6lN44&feature=plcp
 

That video is now set to "private". Can't see it.

Here's what SDC posted to Facebook today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5zcePfwJeA
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 31, 2012, 07:36:50 PM
great picture of the "drop"...  I was glad to see Peter doing some talking about the ride... we didnt see him at all during HDH...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 31, 2012, 08:06:18 PM
This is the 'competition' we were talking about before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4or3FzgLQ

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on August 31, 2012, 10:53:58 PM
I found this video earlier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3TbUasWfr0
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 10, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
Anyone been to park lately? Curious what kind of progress has been made on OR. Surely the the entire circuit has been completed by now. Anxious to get our first glimpse of the trains, too. I won't be getting down until OTC, but I'm anxious to finally see this thing in person.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on September 10, 2012, 12:00:59 PM
Im going Saturday. Will try to get pictures of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: betamike on September 13, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
Has anyone else noticed the shape of the track?  To me it resembles a cowboy hat.  Maybe it's the Graphic Design geek in me seeing the gestalt of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on September 13, 2012, 08:06:39 PM
It does look like a cowboy hat I thought that earlier as well, I can't believe there are almost 100 pages on this topic!  Well, then again I can.  SDC is home to us, I love that the "characters" know us by name!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: tiffanylynnt on September 14, 2012, 11:48:25 AM
Has anyone else noticed the shape of the track?  To me it resembles a cowboy hat.  Maybe it's the Graphic Design geek in me seeing the gestalt of it.

My mind has been blown!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2012, 01:29:59 AM
Alright, it has gotten unusually quiet around this project lately on the enthusiast side of things. Anyone planning to visit with a camera anytime soon? I'm sure the station exterior is finished by now. Maybe they've started on the plaza even. Who knows if they've completed the track yet or not - I know it takes a lot of work to go back over everything and add the final bolts and whatever else.

I'm sure once November hits we'll suddenly start hearing a whole lot more from the park about it. I'm sure they'll have videos of it testing even. I do wish they would post more updates for the time being though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on September 24, 2012, 07:13:47 AM
no camera.  station looks great, exterior looks 90% done...gaining on "que" ? area...

track looks GREAT, but has not crossed over Railroad track yet...  the thing looks massive since y last trip..

I will be back in 2 weeks and will have pictures then..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on September 24, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
I took pictures when I was there over the weekend of the 15th but the pictures didnt turn out the way I wanted them to. Very cruddy. And what I saw and took pictures of just didnt do it justice. I couldnt capture it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on September 24, 2012, 03:47:18 PM
Last time I was on park in August, it was already to the point where  pictures could not capture the size and scope of this coaster. It is a big un! Looks like coaster fans are gonna have a good time with this one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on September 24, 2012, 06:36:46 PM
it is BIG.... very hard to capture details on a camera...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on September 24, 2012, 06:41:35 PM
Amazing No Limits Recreation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYxhSIizug&feature=related
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2012, 09:58:57 PM
^I wouldn't call it amazing... You can tell the creator hasn't had a good look at it him/herself. The wave turn is nowhere near that large, and many of the angles are off by quite a bit. There are also a few extra airtime hills in there that don't exist (but I really wish they did now that I see that).

Speaking of photos, Chadster has come through with a fresh crop: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1230380#p1230380

Lots of progress on the station, they are indeed starting on the queue, and practically all the track is in place including the break-run and transfer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on September 25, 2012, 06:32:34 PM

Speaking of photos, Chadster has come through with a fresh crop: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1230380#p1230380


Wow.  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on September 25, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
I cant wait to see some trains running!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on September 27, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
Per SDC's Facebook page: Outlaw Run track is complete! Check out the new photos today in the Journal. Are you ready to ride in 2013? http://social.silverdollarcity.com/2rV (http://social.silverdollarcity.com/2rV)

Per the Outlaw's Run "Journal" page: Milestone Reached–Last Piece of Track Set In Place on September 26 http://silverdollarcity2013.com/milestone-reached-last-piece-of-track-set-in-place/ (http://silverdollarcity2013.com/milestone-reached-last-piece-of-track-set-in-place/) for the complete article and pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: underdog on September 27, 2012, 02:20:00 PM
Per SDC's Facebook page: Outlaw Run track is complete! Check out the new photos today in the Journal. Are you ready to ride in 2013? http://social.silverdollarcity.com/2rV (http://social.silverdollarcity.com/2rV)

Per the Outlaw's Run "Journal" page: Milestone Reached–Last Piece of Track Set In Place on September 26 http://silverdollarcity2013.com/milestone-reached-last-piece-of-track-set-in-place/ (http://silverdollarcity2013.com/milestone-reached-last-piece-of-track-set-in-place/) for the complete article and pictures.


I saw that posted on the SDC Facebook page. It's nice that the warmer temperatures allow the workers to finish the track so quickly. So they said it will be ready by Spring 2013 but I thought I heard some of you talking about how it might be ready in December 2012.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
^It will open in 2013, but they will be testing by December.

The dive up, into, and through the lifthill looks just as insane as I thought it would be, and the wave turn after it should be pretty nuts too. Once again you just have to admire the thought that was put into this layout to make each moment unique and as intense as possible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 27, 2012, 03:48:43 PM
Lookin' good. Won't make it down for several weeks, but after months of numerous people recommending it, I did make a recent trip to Holiday World in Santa Claus, IN. I'm sure a few folks here have been there as well. It's billed as a favorite park for cleanliness and kid-friendly attractions. Oh, and it just so happens to have a few nice coasters as well. Thought I would share my first impressions. Why here? Because the overriding thought my wife and I talked about repeatedly was this place doesn't hold a candle to SDC – on any level. Not food, shows, shopping, rides, etc. Maybe it's not even fair to compare the two, but I couldn't help myself given both parks are billed as being so family and kid friendly. Keep in mind that regular admission to SDC is about $15 above that of a Holiday World ticket.

HW Pros
1) Yes, it was clean.
2) Unlimited soft drinks with admission was a nice bonus.
3) Yes, there were plenty of rides for the little ones (we had 11 kids ages 5 and under in our group). 

HW Cons
1) Theming throughout is subpar at best. They break the park into "Holiday" areas (Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween, 4th of July, etc.) with respective rides for each.
2) Most of the rides suited for kids under 42" (and there are several) are generic to the point of being worthy of the variety you would find at your local carnival or state fair.
3) Attention to detail is absent, right down to the ride attendants using unpainted white PVC pipe to check riders for height before boarding. I mean come on.
4) Many of the ride layouts lack any character whatsoever. Their flume is about 100yds. of a mildly winding concrete trough to a hill/drop. Their rapids ride is insanely short with very little intensity. Their indoor shooting ride has very few targets with nothing more than florescent painted sets under black lights throughout. 
5) They need more family rides.

Lastly, another reason I felt compelled to share my thoughts relates to Outlaw Run. Holiday World's top coaster is the Voyage. A wooden (with metal supports) coaster that tops many lists as the best wooden coaster in the world. After riding it for the first time ever, I couldn't help but think of Outlaw Run. For the most part, just hoping it is far more smooth. I absolutely love coasters, but the Voyage was the first coaster I've ever ridden where I was legitimately looking forward to the ride ending. Most wooden coasters create that exhilarating sensation of the ride coming apart as you race through its circuit. This one made me feel like it was tearing me apart. I cannot describe how intensely rough the ride is. I generally enjoy the character and rickety feel of a wood coaster, but The Voyage was simply too much for me, which is a shame because the layout is an absolute gem. I don't know what to expect with the topper track system on Outlaw Run, but I sincerely hope it offers a ride closer to the feel of steel versus that of a traditional woody. Much like the Voyage, given the intensity of the circuit, I think a rough ride would mask the genius of the layout.

Moral of this entire story – we're spoiled. SDC is a true diamond in the rough with yet another new, brilliant facet that's sure to make it shine even more. Look forward to being back in The City soon.

P.S. Apologies if it's already been discussed, but beyond the ongoing debate about SDC vs. DW, anyone else agree the Golden Ticket Awards seem to be losing credibility? Last year, Holiday World hosted the awards where Dollywood took home honors for Best Shows and Best Christmas Event. Dollywood hosted this year's awards a few weeks ago and they took home Golden Tickets for Friendliest Park, Best Food, Best Shows, Best New Ride for 2012 (Wild Eagle) and Best Christmas Event. Certainly seems to be a little bias toward the host park, but I digress.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on September 27, 2012, 04:38:19 PM
I received an email today stating that the LAST piece of track is in place!!!

see pics at silverdollarcity2013.com
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on September 27, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
I did make a recent trip to Holiday World in Santa Claus, IN.

The problem is, you did your trip wrong.  You don't go to Holiday World for the ride park.  You go to Holiday World for the waterpark.  Really that is the only thing worth doing there.  So you go for the waterpark and stay for the rollercoasters AFTER you are done with the waterpark.  Seriously, their ride park is pathetic.  Only Raven and Legend are worth riding.  The Turkey Blaster ride used to be a lot of fun but it sucks anymore.  I consider Pilgrim's Plunge part of the waterpark BTW.  Nothing else is really worth riding other than Raven and Legend in the ride park.  I will never ride Voyage again - it is overrated and is a TERRIBLE coaster.  Shoot I'd ride Howler over Voyage.

So next time, plan on going to the park when the waterpark is open and you'll come away much more satisfied.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2012, 05:36:24 PM
Comparing HW to SDC is still apples to oranges IMO, even if they are both amusement parks. The approach of both parks is completely different.

This is a topic about Outlaw Run though. OR will be much smoother than the Voyage, and that's a fact. They simply pushed the limits too far with the Voyage for what the materials could handle, which is sad because as you mentioned it is a dream layout. OR won't have that problem because every piece has been engineered to perfection. I don't have any concerns about roughness on it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 27, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
You go to Holiday World for the waterpark.  Really that is the only thing worth doing there.

Definitely what we gathered from the experience. The waterpark looked pretty legit and expansive. I generally prefer traditional rides over the waterpark variety though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 27, 2012, 09:18:30 PM
OR will be much smoother than the Voyage, and that's a fact. I don't have any concerns about roughness on it.

I sure hope you're right. Steel wheels on steel topper track makes me skeptical though. I can't imagine how they can replicate the smoothness of urethane wheels on steel, but even if it's in the neighborhood I'll be happy. The layout and characteristics of OR look so amazing, I would just hate for it to wind up being a ride that beats the living snot out of you to the point that you walk away with a headache and not much interest in making a dash to jump right back in the queue. Any word at all when we might see trains show up?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on September 29, 2012, 09:33:17 PM
Yeah -- so back to the actual topic of this thread....
I went to SDC on Friday and got some photos of Outlaw Run

http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/outlawrun/09.28.12/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on October 01, 2012, 02:01:06 PM
Swoosh, thanks again for the pictures. I'm really looking forward to next year.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on October 07, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
So, any updates on the project? Swoosh, the pictures were great...Anybody else visit and take pictures in the last week? Can't wait for the season passes to go on sell on November 1st....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 08, 2012, 07:36:57 AM
no pics, but it looks like the que? area is formed up and ready for concrete..that area looks HUGE from the train....

FYI--this was the 1st time this year i did not see any workers on the job during the weekend,.,.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on October 08, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
If the track is complete, I wonder if testing with the trains will begin soon? I assume they would prefer warmer weather to do this than alternative.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on October 08, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
They are throwing around the date of Nov 18 to have everything finished, I think including testing. That's the week before Thanksgiving so I wonder if SDC wants to be able to showcase it in someway the weekend after Thanksgiving. Man it is crowded that weekend. Last year we went down the day after Thanksgiving and you could barely move. Won't be doing that again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 08, 2012, 12:26:00 PM
On SDC's Facebook page, they are showing us 3 designs for the new 2013 mug with Outlaw Run. Black, blue, or brown.
They are taking a poll, I voted for brown. Which design was your favorite?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 08, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
They are throwing around the date of Nov 18 to have everything finished, I think including testing. That's the week before Thanksgiving so I wonder if SDC wants to be able to showcase it in someway the weekend after Thanksgiving. Man it is crowded that weekend. Last year we went down the day after Thanksgiving and you could barely move. Won't be doing that again.

We'll go once more this year during OTC but the son and I may use our freebie tickets from selling Boy Scout popcorn after Christmas. It would be sweet if they opened it up to the Scouts for that day as a surprize.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on October 08, 2012, 05:31:04 PM
Can someone post pictures of the mugs I can't find them on the Facebook page
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 08, 2012, 06:15:13 PM
check here,,, scroll down, mugs are on the right side.:"::

.https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.7656242602&type=2#!/Silverdollarcity
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on October 08, 2012, 06:31:24 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on October 08, 2012, 07:32:20 PM
I'm not seeing anything - a row of short videos?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on October 08, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Okay - got it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on October 09, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
Well they still are not done with the track though.  If you see holes in the track then that section is not done.  They have another sheet of metal that covers the topper track. They are making a lot of progress.  I do not believe they will do a soft opening. But i guess anything is possible :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 18, 2012, 10:25:26 AM
SDC posted on facebook the new concept art for the trains for OR. They show they will be lap bar harness. When I clicked on the link for more info, it showed the 404 message.....does anyone else feel leary of the lap bar harness on a looping coaster?? I know it makes me nervous
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on October 18, 2012, 10:55:42 AM
http://silverdollarcity2013.com/details/stagecoach-3/
Here is the concept Art!
And not at all there are plenty of roller coasters that go upside down with just lapbars. Very safe no worries!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 18, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
picures came up ok for me.... but the art is a little lacking on detail!!  LOL!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 18, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
Awesome. They really outdid themselves with the train design - these will easily be the best looking trains the chain has ordered yet.

As for the harness issue, lap bars have been proven to be perfectly safe for looping rides. Shoulder harnesses are put on rides now for psychological reasons more than actual safety. They look safer because they're bigger, but in reality plenty of people have fallen out of shoulder harness restraints. Lap bar only looping rides have been around forever, and many looping rides that are much wilder than this one have operated without shoulder harnesses for decades.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 18, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
FYI. Aunt Polly's closes in a week. Demolition is to begin on or near Nov. 1st.

In other news, the south fence of OR area looks finished and Ribhouse is getting some attention in the dining areas.  New roofs, etc.  Tom's Fort is going to get some big changes for next season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 19, 2012, 06:57:28 AM
Toms fort......changes? Why so vague? I dont think they will knock it down. But updating it for use would be costly......hmmmmm......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 19, 2012, 08:38:01 AM
hmmmm....
I'm very intrigued at what is going on in that area.

My wife and I will be at SDC on Sat Oct. 27th. The last day of the Harvest Festival.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 19, 2012, 09:40:19 AM
Most if not all of Tom's Fort is destined to come down soon. We already know the old ball pit and ropes course area is coming down for the new pizza place, the question is what they'll do with the tower that now serves as a lookout for Riverblast.

Removing the whole thing would free up a ton of room, but man will that area look a lot less dense. That'll be hard to get used to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 19, 2012, 10:05:01 AM
Most if not all of Tom's Fort is destined to come down soon. We already know the old ball pit and ropes course area is coming down for the new pizza place

So it is for sure??!!
Man, idk why, but that really depresses me. Of course, I know that structure is not in full use as it once was. But my earliest memories of SDC are of that ball-pit and ropes above it. Even today, everytime I walk by that structure, I still expect to see the ball pit. Tom Sawyers Landing was my FAVORITE part of the park, and now there will litterally be nothing left of it.  :(  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on October 19, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
I hated to see float trip, diving bell, and many of the shows like Rainmaker go, but progress is natural. I have come to the hard realization that unless the park grows and changes, it stagnates and dies. We carry with us memories of those rides and attractions we hold dear to our hearts because of countless personal memories. I remember the medicine show, Melvin the Chicken Thief Show, and many other things that are gone, gone, gone. Keep those scrapbooks and home movies of the old times, and share them with us here. The building that houses Aunt Polly's will soon be added to the list, and, apparently, the Tom Sawyer's Landing Tower. Look at it this way, that ole tower, built in 84, has been part of family vacations for decades of people, as the treehouse and Balloon Chase. Like an old friend they are gone but not forgotten.
Could you imagine what Branson would be like if Sammy Lane Cruise, Grandpa's Farm, Tanglewood, Wilderness Settlement, Mutton Hollow, and other old attractions like Jesse James Confusion Hill and the old wax museum were still with us, not gone to make way for what is on those sites today. No Branson Landing, Veteran's Museum, or even Celebration City. All of those, and many more, are now part of family vacations and memories of them being made today.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on October 19, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
Geez Junior...you should be a poet...that was beautifully written...certainly gives us something to chew on for a while...thanks for the post
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on October 19, 2012, 10:37:02 PM
POET?!? Wow, thanks! And now for my follow up post...There once was a girl from Nantucket, who...uh...forget it! (Ha!)  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 20, 2012, 05:20:05 AM
Most if not all of Tom's Fort is destined to come down soon. We already know the old ball pit and ropes course area is coming down for the new pizza place, the question is what they'll do with the tower that now serves as a lookout for Riverblast.

This is out of date information, fyi.
Plans have changed.  As soon as I have clearance, I'll explain
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 20, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m62qv8sS7K1rvaadyo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on October 20, 2012, 10:53:55 PM
Waiting for clearance. LOL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on October 21, 2012, 12:17:17 AM
Waiting for clearance. LOL.

He could tell you, but he'd have to kill you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 22, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
Just purged the thread again. Don't bicker.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on October 22, 2012, 02:16:18 AM
10 4 shave. It's all in fun man!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 22, 2012, 06:32:46 AM
Be Happy!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on October 22, 2012, 07:57:15 AM
Sanddunerider, be happy indeed! Will be even happier on Nov 6 right? We can all take pics of ourselves in front of...well anything at that point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 22, 2012, 12:48:37 PM
Will be interesting to see if "we" will be able to see the demo work going on....OR if it will completey fenced off....

But if it is fenced,  LOL... It will be a BIG fence to accomadate the complete project ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 22, 2012, 02:07:15 PM
You know why they call them peepholes? Cuz people are dying to see whats behing the fence!-Painted on fence during RiverBlast construction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 22, 2012, 04:56:30 PM
I remember that,,,,, there were several peepholes....

this shoudl be an interesting 2 or 3 weeks to see when the "announcement" is made and the details they release as opposed to the details some of us "know"...

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 22, 2012, 06:48:44 PM
All right, here we go...
The main shell of Tom's Fort will be the dining area for the new pizza place. The bridges will all be coming down.  The lookout tower should stay the same.

Confirmed that Polly's will be closing next week if current work schedule stands.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on October 22, 2012, 07:47:07 PM
SAY NO TO PIZZA!  BOO!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 22, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
Gilligan, it will be a Pizza place, and my understanding is a large place..

Supposedly a "brick oven" type of pizza establishment.

My understanding is that there will be seating for almost 300 people :o :o :o ( maybe swoosh can verify that number.)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 22, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
That sounds about right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on October 22, 2012, 11:57:22 PM
Thanks for the breaking news, swoosh!! Exciting to hear about these changes! I think it is a smart use of space for the area. Let's meet for some pizza next year swoosh! I'll take your pic with a piece of pie! On a side note, the apple dumplings with cinnamon ice cream are out of this world. I don't usually like sweets but they are in a whole nother world. Amazing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 23, 2012, 01:10:55 AM
I think it definately has the potential to turn out better than some are thinking. The brick oven part sounds really appealing and like it will fit in with the mix of craft food items in the park. Sure, it's a bit out of place for Missouri in 1880, but I'm sure they can make up a theme about an immigrant italian family or something.

It will be most interesting to see how they reuse that part of the structure. I assume they're kind of using the skeleton and adding more deck around it. Perhaps they will add a second story floor.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2012, 06:20:10 AM
I think that most of you will be surprised at how they redo that area... the pizza place is going to really stretch out in that area, and the path has some big mods headed its way,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 23, 2012, 09:41:25 AM
Whew! Well thank goodness they will be reusing/re-purposing part of the old fort. The original ball pit / ropes would make a good restaurant. It could have really high ceilings, or they could put in a second floor like Molly's Mill (although I wonder how that would be ADA). Also, I am wondering if they will completely enclose the structure, or if it will be open air, like the Lumbercamp. I am kinda picturing that style restaurant in my mind of what they might too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 23, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
Oh, and I'm sad that the bridges will be coming down. That makes a nice entrance into the area to pass from one section of the park into the other.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 23, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
Something interesting to note. If you look at the Pathfinder for this week, there is an 'add' for Aunt Pollys on page 3.


http://hfeimages.aristotle.net/General/Oct%2024-27%20pathfinder.pdf
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2012, 04:03:30 PM
Dollar, i am pretty sure that is the same ad they have running during the whole festival.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2012, 06:27:46 PM
Oh, and I'm sad that the bridges will be coming down. That makes a nice entrance into the area to pass from one section of the park into the other.

LOL...speaking of bridges,,,

Since we are letting all the rumors/details fly....

  I understand that there is a bridge in the works that will cross from OR area over to the Opera House area, most likely for restroom  access.... But that will help with traffic flow from PK to OR also..

And again... Swoosh may be able to verify that detail also
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on October 23, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
Ok im lost what is the OR area?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on October 23, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
Outlaw Run?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on October 23, 2012, 07:44:53 PM
well i feel dumb now  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 23, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
Oh, and I'm sad that the bridges will be coming down. That makes a nice entrance into the area to pass from one section of the park into the other.

LOL...speaking of bridges,,,

Since we are letting all the rumors/details fly....

  I understand that there is a bridge in the works that will cross from OR area over to the Opera House area, most likely for restroom  access.... But that will help with traffic flow from PK to OR also..

And again... Swoosh may be able to verify that detail also

First I've heard of it, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I know that the access road will continue to exist, at least at night as there are gates being constructed right now for both sides of the new pathway to OR.  The bridge might be at the other end of the section?

Like I said, first I've heard of it.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2012, 08:51:26 PM
Swoosh, for what its worth....i understand the bridge will go over the tracks and tie into the area just east of OH..  that is where the tracks are below elevation anyway. so that would be easy enough to do anyway..

I dont have much more "info" than that as far as the bridge is concerned...

Maybe when you all do the ACE event they will tell you more.. ;D

OR better yet maybe the PTB will release a complete footprint of the project :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 23, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
The path to the bridge must be going to the west of the site plan I have.  It shows a fence there, but that could have changed.  I doubt they'd connect where the caboose was as they need that for access to the OH.  My concern with a bridge there is that there will be done ugly sidelines of the backstage area visible.  If you've been back there you'll know what I mean.

I'll do some digging and see if I can find out more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 24, 2012, 01:00:06 AM
Here's an awesome new video of a recent full construction tour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WL_HfGPXpZc

You can see that they're really getting down to the final details. The track looks like it's almost finished all the way around, and the station is being outfitted with things like railings and lights. The exterior areas are already looking really nice. I like how they have covered up the retaining walls.

I still think that queue is way too small. I predict that on the days when the park is packed out the line will extend way into the barnyard, which will happen pretty often next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 24, 2012, 07:10:39 AM
^ the extended queue has not been built yet.

Did some checking on this bridge thing.  They said the same thing I did - first they had heard of it.  So either this is a new change or just wishful thinking
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 24, 2012, 08:16:13 AM
hey swoosh.....

who knows????????

My info could be WRONG!!!!!!

LOL!!!!.....

Wait i know!!  It going to be a tunnel, NOT a bridge!!!!!!!!................. ::) ::) ::) ::)(sorry had to be said)thasnks

thanks for checking..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on October 25, 2012, 09:03:53 AM
Could there be a bridge constructed for backstage purposes, but not for use by the visiting public?

Then both of your sources could be correct... ;D

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 25, 2012, 09:22:50 AM
I'm not discrediting her source as being wrong.  Just my sources have not heard of this addition to the plans (yet), if there is indeed one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Zephon on October 25, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
I believe that at one time, an access to OR was being considered from the OH area between it and FITH, and there was talk of a bridge passing over the RR tracks at that point...but that idea has been scrapped.  At least for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: How-doFolks on October 27, 2012, 08:36:59 AM
have ya all seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL_HfGPXpZc -- construction tour with head of maintence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A0u_UQug6Q -- interview with brad thomas
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 27, 2012, 09:46:53 AM
WOW!!!  well we all wanted a "woody"!!!!!........ and we have it now!!,..

Great vidwo, great angle shots..... 

nice find how do...

well be interesting now to see pics from the ACE event, seeing how far along this video shows evberything is..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 29, 2012, 10:36:57 AM
When we were at SDC on Sat (Oct 27th) we took our last pictures of Aunt Polly's.  :(
I did take notice that every building already has the christmas lights attached, however...Aunt Polly's had none. Now, your average person would not even notice something like that, but I sure did. Hate to see that place go, I always loved the light fixtures in there with that red & white stripped wallpaper.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 29, 2012, 05:30:50 PM
i am anxious to see that area the 1st weekend.... see if they have the area boarded up or if any work will have started,,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 29, 2012, 08:58:31 PM
There's some fantastic pics at TPR from Chadster. Sadly, he sez the controls and gates in the queue are coming from OzCat. Just tear it down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 29, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
If you've seen the video from the other site of the construction tour, his photos are more of the same.  No need giving that site any more traffic than we need to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 30, 2012, 02:02:31 AM
Here is the link to the new photos: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1240577#p1240577

It does sound like the final nail in the coffin for OzCat, not that we haven't seen it coming by now. I still hope GCI is eventually hired to build a more family-oriented wood coaster along the lines of OzCat for SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Gilligan on October 30, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
When we were at SDC on Sat (Oct 27th) we took our last pictures of Aunt Polly's.  :(
I did take notice that every building already has the christmas lights attached, however...Aunt Polly's had none. Now, your average person would not even notice something like that, but I sure did. Hate to see that place go, I always loved the light fixtures in there with that red & white stripped wallpaper.

Me, too...sad... :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: cowboy on October 30, 2012, 09:02:51 AM
If you've seen the video from the other site of the construction tour, his photos are more of the same.  No need giving that site any more traffic than we need to.

I had never visted coasterforce before. Very nice photo's indeed. I wish I would have checked them out previously. Here is the link to their photos:

http://www.coasterforce.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34199&start=574

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 30, 2012, 10:27:41 AM
Received this e-mai from SDC:
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on October 30, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJVl8iD07pM&feature=youtu.be

Here is a link to the sneak peak video  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 30, 2012, 11:04:56 AM
LOL...  i had it on and missed it the 1st time....  watched it again...  thought i had something wrong with the puter, but nope only lasted about 10 seconds!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 30, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
Here is the link to the new photos: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1240577#p1240577

It does sound like the final nail in the coffin for OzCat, not that we haven't seen it coming by now. I still hope GCI is eventually hired to build a more family-oriented wood coaster along the lines of OzCat for SDC.

This right here, only my daughter and I will ride Outlaw. My wife and son will not touch it. I found the POV of the  Wooden Warrior a neat little coaster along the lines of the Zippin Pippin I grew up on doing marathons.

I went out of my way to not us the TPR youtube and use Coasterforce's just for swoosh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZIwpN8iis
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 30, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
The guy who runs CF is petty down to earth, while TPR is run by a creep.
Without getting into politics, I try my best to avoid anything to do with TPR if I can help it.  Bad mojo over there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 30, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
The guy who runs CF is petty down to earth, while TPR is run by a creep.
Without getting into politics, I try my best to avoid anything to do with TPR if I can help it.  Bad mojo over there.

Wee!!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on October 31, 2012, 06:06:34 AM
That's the first good pics I've seen of the eave turn.  That element is really gonna be intense
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Wildfire on October 31, 2012, 06:07:48 AM
Wave not eave
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 31, 2012, 11:03:24 AM
Got confirmation that Aunt Polly's is indeed closed now.  Word is that it is slated for removal starting Monday.  Sounds like it might already be gutted.  No fence around it this weekend, just signs to say it's closed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on October 31, 2012, 12:20:00 PM
What is replacing Aunt Polly's? I've known it was coming down but what are they doing at that location?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 31, 2012, 12:25:16 PM
What is replacing Aunt Polly's? I've known it was coming down but what are they doing at that location?

Starting on Page 99 of this thread, you can read about the changes to that area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 31, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
Got confirmation that Aunt Polly's is indeed closed now.  Word is that it is slated for removal starting Monday.  Sounds like it might already be gutted.  No fence around it this weekend, just signs to say it's closed.
....

No surprise there.. thay have a lot of work to do in that area IF they are going to be open for spring break..

about 135 to 140 days, counting weekends. not allowing for bad weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 31, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Getting conflicting reports now. There may or may not be a wall this weekend. Sounds like they cannot make up their minds.  Still closed regardless and will come down starting Monday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 01, 2012, 05:42:45 AM
Getting conflicting reports now. There may or may not be a wall this weekend. Sounds like they cannot make up their minds.  Still closed regardless and will come down starting Monday.

I will be there sunday, will try to get pics
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 01, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
The outlaw run animated video is released!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on November 01, 2012, 10:23:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRW3k-EEXGA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 01, 2012, 01:55:25 PM
great graphics and pictures, I had to laugh...it says.

"Outlaw Run : Virtual Ride Experience (Full Length)"

BUT the video is only 1:07 long, and we already know it is supposed to be longer than that.. right??  1:36 i think/
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 01, 2012, 02:20:35 PM
great graphics and pictures, I had to laugh...it says.

"Outlaw Run : Virtual Ride Experience (Full Length)"

BUT the video is only 1:07 long, and we already know it is supposed to be longer than that.. right??  1:36 i think/

Edited out lift hill time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on November 01, 2012, 02:30:13 PM
Stop it on the 46 sec mark. Notice anything??  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on November 01, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
I wish it had been POV all the way through.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 01, 2012, 04:18:31 PM
Stop it on the 46 sec mark. Notice anything??  ;)

LMAO!!!!  FUNNY!!  I had to look 3 or 4 times before i finally saw it!!!

good eyes dollar!...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 01, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
great graphics and pictures, I had to laugh...it says.

"Outlaw Run : Virtual Ride Experience (Full Length)"

BUT the video is only 1:07 long, and we already know it is supposed to be longer than that.. right??  1:36 i think/

Edited out lift hill time.

I realize that, I was commenting on the fact they called the video "full length" and actually it is lacking 35-40 seconds,
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 01, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
And the first victim of the "pathway expansion" occurs.
Those who visit Tom Sawyers Landing will notice something missing.
Without giving it away, it was located between River Blast and the main pathway near the new tree fort.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 01, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
is it the panning area?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 01, 2012, 08:27:35 PM
The bridges....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 01, 2012, 08:42:03 PM
All I will say for now its that the area looks a lot different and this is only the start.

FYI the bridges are still there as of today.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on November 01, 2012, 09:52:24 PM
Are you referring to the ax in the log?

Stop it on the 46 sec mark. Notice anything??  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 01, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
Are you referring to the ax in the log?

Stop it on the 46 sec mark. Notice anything??  ;)

Way to ruin the surprise for those who haven't seen it. :(
When I saw it earlier this morning I thought it was a pretty cool touch
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 02, 2012, 09:34:17 AM
I wish it had been POV all the way through.

Agreed. They cut away to an overhead view at the best parts! :( But I know they have to keep the suspense so, okay. :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 02, 2012, 01:09:10 PM
Is the first victim Aunt Pollys? It cant already be gone?.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on November 02, 2012, 02:31:18 PM
OOPS!!! I didn't mean to ruin it for anybody...guess I wasn't thinking...sorry everybody...is there anyway to delete my post for anybody who hasn't seen it yet?
Are you referring to the ax in the log?

Stop it on the 46 sec mark. Notice anything??  ;)

Way to ruin the surprise for those who haven't seen it. :(
When I saw it earlier this morning I thought it was a pretty cool touch
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 02, 2012, 02:37:38 PM
^Lol, I don't think it ruined it for anybody. Of all the things that have happened on this board, this is hardly the "surprise" we should have worried about ruining.  ::)

They were very generous with the tree growth around the ride. It's not terribly far off from the real thing in some areas though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 03, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
They were very generous with the tree growth around the ride. It's not terribly far off from the real thing in some areas though.

Haha, I thought the exact same thing! :D

That seemed like way too many trees, even for Silver Dollar City standards. I love it though, and wish the ride really would rip through the woods like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 03, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
Is the first victim Aunt Pollys? It cant already be gone?.......

Nope, not until Monday
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 03, 2012, 11:32:06 AM
I am dying to know what is different. I wont be there until december!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 03, 2012, 01:02:57 PM
heading to the city in a few hours and with a new camera. I will get some good pics!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 03, 2012, 02:47:34 PM
I also just rolled in to branson, and i saw 2 billboards between here and springfield advertising the biggest wooden roller coaster in the world, here in 2013
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 03, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I'll be there myself in a couple of weeks. I hope there are more progress pics to come. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 04, 2012, 08:53:29 AM
Here are some pictures of my visit yesterday. As you can see then Panning Area is what is gone. Aunt Polly's is still standing with no fence but the windows are blacked out. The couple of Christmas lights that are on the building are just sort of strung up so they can be easily removed for demo. The bridges on the old play fort are still up and probably will be for the rest of the season because they have a lot of lights on them on all levels. Here is the link to my flickr page. http://www.flickr.com/photos/witt_family_5
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 04, 2012, 09:28:04 AM
Yay!  Yep, the panning area is what was removed. 

Yeah, heard the bridges are staying until end of season.
Hope you got plenty of photos of that area, about to look a lot different starting next week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 04, 2012, 09:42:10 AM
Headed out there in a bit, I will try to get a couple of 360 views...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 04, 2012, 10:21:03 AM
Wow, I am not sure how I feel about all of these changes. However, progress is necessary! Can't wait to see some more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 04, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
Thanks for the reports and photos!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 04, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
Not sad to see panning go.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 04, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
The panning will be back before long in a different location. That thing has popped up all over the park over the last ten years.

I'm trying to imagine the other side of the landing without bridges. Here's hoping they'll gut it down to the superstructure build it up again while adding some cool new thematics to it, otherwise it will just kind of be an odd leftover mess. They must have a reason to take out the bridges though, so I'm sure something major is going on with it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Joy on November 04, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
I'm actually kinda sad to see the panning go. I never got around to doing it, but when we were there with friends last time, one of them got a bag and got himself a REALLY great haul. Better than I've ever seen from something like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 04, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
I think the bridges are going because they are in pretty bad shape. They have patched them up some but its probably just easier to take them down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 04, 2012, 09:04:18 PM
Yeah, there are already plans for it to return next year in a new location.

Heard a rumor today that the current kettle corn location might have to removed to make way for a project to happen over there.  Not 100% yet, but something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on November 05, 2012, 08:20:51 AM
Sluice...I will not miss

Bridges, I was reading the 2008 threads, and it referenced the tearing out of the Landing as a whole. I think they have left the area pretty well in tact despite the prime real estate it takes up just for the fact that they have no other use at this time.

Curious...When was the last upgrade/ expansion that DID NOT involve a ride? Would we have to go back to The Culinary Craft School? When was the last new area for craftsmen/ stores? I know, I know those do not bring the guests.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 05, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
Curious...When was the last upgrade/ expansion that DID NOT involve a ride? Would we have to go back to The Culinary Craft School? When was the last new area for craftsmen/ stores? I know, I know those do not bring the guests.

Those non ride attractions bring me in! I am not as young as I used to be, and the rollercoasters just don't pull me in like they used to. Now I go to Silver Dollar City for the overall experience. If Silver Dollar City was nothing but rides, I would probably be less likely to go. I can get rides anywhere. :)

I'm okay if they remove the old Landing structure as long as they replace it with something quality. After all, it's basically just a large decoration piece anyway at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 05, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
Polly's is currently being torn down.  Guess they started pretty early this morning from what I've heard.  Hope you all got to say your final goodbyes.

Not the only thing that'll be missing next weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 05, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
Adeu, Aunt Polly's! You served us well!  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 05, 2012, 05:54:40 PM
I took final pictures sunday afternoon,

stood in the middle of the walkway between Polly and the Mercantile and did a 360.

stood over by RB entry and took several shots that direction,

stood on walkway by bridge going to the swings and took poictures facing south,,,

So I think I have that are pretty well covered, will be interesting to see it in 30 days when i return....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 05, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
RIP Aunt Polly,,, here is a link to sundays photos..

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.4423943608232.169387.1578260143&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=4423944088244&set=a.4423943608232.169387.1578260143&type=1&theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 05, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
here are 4 pics i snapped from the fence of Outlaw Run..

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.4424000929665.169390.1578260143&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=4424001809687&set=a.4424000929665.169390.1578260143&type=3&theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 06, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
Awesome pics sand! Silver Dollar City is just like a real city. Sometimes you have to tear down an old house to rebuild something better in its place. I just hope Silver Dollar City doesn't put in a shopping mall.

Yes, I'm teasing. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 06, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Thanks Ozark, new camera.. so i was pretty happy with results..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 07, 2012, 04:43:13 PM
Fence is up.  Runs from wax hands to Pig Race.
Lots of things gone.  Will wait until weekend to reveal in case someone is going

Surprised no one has mentioned the work that was done at Rib House.  All I'll say on that for now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on November 07, 2012, 04:47:28 PM
^ when we were there sat Oct 27th, I noticed they were adding a gable roof over the terrace seating area of the Rib House. But that was all that was going on at the time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 07, 2012, 06:53:40 PM
mmmm?  All i noticed (except for winter windows) was the new metal roof over the seating area...all though i did not go into the building area..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on November 09, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
Well I do know that one of the Outlaw Runs trains is on its way to IAAPA in Florida now. So we should get our first look at the trains sometime this next week!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 09, 2012, 10:48:45 AM
Over the past few days, Silver Dollar City has really been building the excitement, and anticipation over the unveiling on Facebook. Should be fun. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 09, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
we might make another quick trip to the city and ill try to get some more pics of the deconstruction!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 09, 2012, 09:35:01 PM
You'll be quite surprised how much is gone
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 09, 2012, 11:31:09 PM
Well, don't surpise us Swoosh, show us now. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 10, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
Photos, please...anticipation ain't what it's cracked up to be! ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 10, 2012, 08:46:47 AM
Its officially the weekend swoosh! Come on, let slip whats gone.....please.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 10, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
I'm busy playing in Tennessee.  If you don't have your answer come Monday, I'll let you know.
Dollywood tomorrow... and what an amazing game at Neyland today. MIZ!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 11, 2012, 12:11:53 AM
Great MIZ victory, on another note, what is the big secret? In the park today and from what I can tell things are looking great. Can't wait till Monday but folks it's basic construction. Don't get too excited.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on November 11, 2012, 11:12:15 AM
How come no one has mentioned Heartland Home Furnishings in the 2013 post yet? Am I the only one that knows about this?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 11, 2012, 01:19:44 PM
^Probably. This thread is getting ridiculous. If you know about something going on, either say what it is or don't mention it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on November 11, 2012, 01:35:25 PM
shavethewhales
I certainly gave you more credit that to finally realise this " I know more than you know and I am not telling" game that has been going on with a few of the members. THis has been going on for a long time  Frankly this seems to be the basis of most these members coments. There is much more basking in the glory of knowing more than " you" going on that participating and sharing more information and specifics.
  Its a great spot on the net to share info and get excited about the next visit and too bad it is filled with lots of this jibberish.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on November 11, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
I only know it is going to be a change in formatting- still going to sell furniture but no clue what else willbe going in/on there. I overheard the workers and did not want to start a mass of messages about heresay. I wasn't trying to hide and play games. Just thought someone else might know something
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 11, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
Spill the beans Rube! Don’t make me stand under this interrogation spot light! ;)

If there is one thing about Rube, its that he doesn't keep things to himself. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 11, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
First off, this is not a "I know something you don't know" game.
If you'd rather me not tip you off that things have happened, then fine I can keep you out of the loop.
It has more to do with keeping the identities of my informants secret from PTB and their coworkers.  Contrary to your popular belief, you guys aren't the only ones that read this board.

Second, some posters like to discover on their own what has changed by visiting the park and I am trying to respect their wishes too.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 11, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Geez swoosh, this is not the CIA, we just like talking about SDC. Shave, if it's getting ridiculous, take care of it man.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 11, 2012, 11:32:48 PM
I must say that i like that swoosh doesn't spill the beans right away.  It means that I have a chance to see it for myself and it would be a surprise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 11, 2012, 11:45:04 PM
Spill the beans about what, crash?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 11, 2012, 11:50:32 PM
If the information you are posting can get someone in trouble - don't post it, or even mention it in any way. Otherwise, if you have an update to give, either give it up or don't mention it. I'd much rather be kept 'out of the loop' than see a stream of vague hints as to what may or may not be happening on park. This isn't the board to be reading if you want to watch the park's changes on your own.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 12, 2012, 12:23:38 AM
Suit yourself.  I'm done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: KBCraig on November 12, 2012, 01:34:51 AM
Faretheewell.

I'm sure the other forums will hang breathless on your word when you assure them you know something but can't tell them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 12, 2012, 01:45:05 AM
Farethewell indeed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Hollwood on November 12, 2012, 06:37:35 AM
I know that I'm new here, but I have spent the last week reading some of the more popular threads... From my standpoint this quote undermines the purpose of half of the threads...
If the information you are posting can get someone in trouble - don't post it, or even mention it in any way. Otherwise, if you have an update to give, either give it up or don't mention it. I'd much rather be kept 'out of the loop' than see a stream of vague hints as to what may or may not be happening on park. This isn't the board to be reading if you want to watch the park's changes on your own.
again just an observation... I love talking about SDC and HFEC... But I also agree with quoted quote.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 12, 2012, 06:41:06 AM
I like to hear about the changes. That way when I go I can stop by the changed area and take pictures. Note other pictures I have taken. Makes it like a scavenger hunt for me when I go.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 12, 2012, 07:01:19 AM
On the other hand........Was anybody at the city this weekend? If so pics? info? whadja see?.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Hollwood on November 12, 2012, 07:13:21 AM
Yes the other hand... Only one day untill the floor doors open to the largest amusement expo in the US! IAAPA is always the highlight of my year. Let's see that Outlaw Run Train! Booth #3860 will be on a lot of people's "to visit" list!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 12, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
Spill the beans about what, crash?
Spill the beans about what, crash?
Spill the beans about what, crash?

Just any progress that is going on in the city that I may not know about.  I enjoy the hints and tips.  I go to the city often and it gives me something to discover and look for on my own.  If I didn't get the hints I don't even bother searching.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on November 12, 2012, 08:19:03 AM
For me, it is just that...I don't know anything about Heatland except they were talking as we entered and said "Well atleast we will still be able to sell the handmade furniture, but other than that I don't know, I am excited to see what it is like"
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 12, 2012, 08:23:18 AM
We all love The City. I don't get the suspense on what seems like trivial construction that the vast majority of park goers will likely notice. I get major projects and such. Info about the park shouldn't be a competition though.

Oh, and the new Bond flick kicks tail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 12, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
Come on, folks...spread a little love! (And post your pictures of changes, construction, so on!)  :-*
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 12, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
17 days till I will be at the city!! Yall bet your sweet peanut brittle I will take a tram load of pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 12, 2012, 11:03:51 AM
I'll be there in just over a week myself. I am a picture taken fool! So hopefully I will have lots of love to share. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 12, 2012, 11:10:14 AM
Come on, folks...spread a little love! (And post your pictures of changes, construction, so on!)  :-*

Yea!  what Junior said..

3 more weeks for me..
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 12, 2012, 11:21:52 AM
I will probably be at the park next weekend for Black Friday so I should have a big photo update to give following that.

Have they ripped all of the overhanging stuff from the pathways? I can see them trying to open up the area by getting rid of the water trough and the shaded area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 12, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
With Ozark and otheres there next week,
shave and several others there black friday weekend.
Myself and others the following weekend...

That should take care of November updates, and the 1st weekend of Dec ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 12, 2012, 03:45:13 PM
We went last year on black Friday and it was insanely crowded. Got one ride on Wildfire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 12, 2012, 04:01:26 PM
I think that is how everyday of Thanksgiving break is. I believe that the iaapa is open tomorrow so I bet we will see a car of outlaw run soon! I say hopefully!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Hollwood on November 12, 2012, 05:28:47 PM
It does open tomorrow and the car is at booth #3860. Can't wait!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 12, 2012, 05:38:19 PM
will you be posting here or Facebook? or both?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Duelist on November 12, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
We all love The City. I don't get the suspense on what seems like trivial construction that the vast majority of park goers will likely notice. I get major projects and such. Info about the park shouldn't be a competition though.

Oh, and the new Bond flick kicks tail.

I agree- "Skyfall" does kick tail.  And I'm looking forward to falling out of the sky on Outlaw Run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 12, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
Tomorrow silver dollar city will unveil what the surprise is.  On their Facebook page there is a photo of "something" covered up. I can honestly say I'm excited to see the coach.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Parson B Ready on November 12, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
I'm not trying to re-open a can of worms here, but I had a thought that pertains to previous conversation. Speaking for myself, I'm lucky if I get to visit the park once or twice a year.  So when someone hints at a change it is very frustrating, because I have no way of knowing what's going on.  I get to experience SDC vicariously through this site, and I like to read as many details as I can get my eyes on.  But I do respect others who enjoy a tease and want to discover things for themselves.  Perhaps we could have a "spoilers" sticky thread on the Construction Rumors page so that those of us who want to know every single detail can read it and those that want to discover the new things for themselves can skip. Just a thought.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 13, 2012, 06:29:35 AM
Crash, I also saw the pic on FB,, I expect to see something about 9, florida time.... :) :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 13, 2012, 06:49:42 AM
I am really excited to see what is under the tarp. Most think its the cars. Thats a good possibility. What do you all hope it is? The cars? A model?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 13, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
I'm leaning towards it being one of the cars / train. It has to be somewhat unique as the rollercoaster is going upside down, but there will not be traditional shoulder harnesses. I'm curious to see how it will look in all its glory. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 13, 2012, 09:43:33 AM
I am sure it will be something unique. I must say they are going all out with this ride. I mean even the tarp covering what ever is going to be revealed, has a huge logo on it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: rubedugans on November 13, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
With the millions they have spent on the ride itself...a few bucks on a custon tarp is a drop in the bucket! Man would I love that tarp though...it'd make a nice grill cover! If I ever buy a jeep, I will have a big SDC axe emblazoned on the spare tire on the back!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 13, 2012, 12:48:45 PM
They tweeted out a pic of the coach but it is small. http://social.silverdollarcity.com/OS2  We need an up close one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: mammalone on November 13, 2012, 12:51:58 PM
This one is better. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151297389292603&set=pb.7656242602.-2207520000.1352832609&type=3&theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on November 13, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
Ugh! Such a tease Silver Dollar City is even with the tarp removed. They just had to go with a small wide pan picture.  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 13, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Here is a better picture...

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201211/3262/

Not the best but it is better!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 13, 2012, 03:17:22 PM
Seems gravity group is putting a barrel roll using timberliner trains on Hades at MT. Olympus as a response.

GCI introduced a neat, small footprint wood shuttlecoaster today as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 13, 2012, 03:30:53 PM
So there will be three 'wooden' coasters with inversions next summer, each with different configurations of wood and steel... I'm sure the enthusiasts will wear themselves out debating which one is the 'true' wooden coaster.

Here are some better photos of the trains:
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1246907#p1246907

The restraints don't look great to me on first glance. I'm still over-joyed that they aren't OTSR's, but there doesn't look to be much space to put your legs at all. I'm sure they're better IRL, but I'm also sure bigger people are going to have a problem here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 13, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
Those are some great pics shave, hoping there is leg room for the riders.... LOL.. I wont be one of them, But i hope all of you can get in there!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 13, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
Maybe they are similar to PK restraint. If I remember correct do those not get pushed in a slant motion? Would that not accomodate a thicker thigh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 13, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
Thanks for the photos!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 14, 2012, 11:23:44 AM
TPR's first video update from IAAPA includes footage of the unveiling plus several great interviews with Joel Manby,  Pete Herschend, and Alan Schilke. http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1247233#p1247233

Another interesting note, S&S has a new tower design with higher capacity.... Consider some of the concept artwork we've seen from the park in recent years, this could be something they've looked into.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 14, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
TPR's first video update from IAAPA includes footage of the unveiling plus several great interviews with Joel Manby,  Pete Herschend, and Alan Schilke. http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1247233#p1247233

Another interesting note, S&S has a new tower design with higher capacity.... Consider some of the concept artwork we've seen from the park in recent years, this could be something they've looked into.

Seating is round, as well as the tower. Seems intamin struck out with forward tilting seats, will other come up with a better design to do this? S&S now has new Japanese owners.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 14, 2012, 03:12:59 PM
nice video,, lots of info..  great pics of the new cars...

Mamby and Pete both seem to be "pumped" up about the project..!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on November 14, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
Okay so the stratosphere/roller coaster/resturant/gon-da-la thing was not only tacky but really fussy. I hated that idea.

Loved and am pumped for Outlaw Run. So glad to see everyone so excited for it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 14, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
The excitement for Outlaw Run continues to build! I enjoyed the video, thanks so much for posting.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: crash on November 15, 2012, 05:46:21 PM
Dollywood and Silver Dollar City both have some video footage of iaapa on thier YouTube pages.  Looks like Outlaw Run is quite popular at iaapa
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC-BMW on November 18, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Sorry if already posted but WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYxhSIizug

Have not seen this one before! Love the music!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 19, 2012, 05:51:19 AM
HAve not seen that before, thanks for posting..

My reaction/thoughts?????

WOW!!!!! :o :o :o :o

great graphics.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 19, 2012, 08:11:11 AM
Sorry if already posted but WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYxhSIizug

Have not seen this one before! Love the music!

Yes, I like It. Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Western music.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 19, 2012, 10:59:37 AM
Sorry if already posted but WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYxhSIizug

Have not seen this one before! Love the music!

It has been posted before, and like I said last time, this is not an accurate portrayal of the layout. This was made in No-Limits and posted just after the concept artwork leaked. The person who made it has obviously never visited the site. It was a nice 'guess' at what the final product could look like, but it should not be taken seriously, especially not now that we have official artwork to look at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Coaster on November 21, 2012, 10:46:32 PM
I hate how busy school keeps me, I feel like I've missed so much this season leading up to the ride. But I've enjoyed reading the last ten or so pages and catching up. Can't wait to make it down to SDC this Christmas and finally see the ride for myself firsthand.

Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 23, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
Got to see the Aunt Polly's site today with my own eyes for the first time. They've dug everything out clear back to the railroad tracks and up next to the pig race game. I was surprised at how big the area is. This restaurant is going to be huge. The bridges from the landing are still there, as well as the wax dipping place underneath the old ropes course, but everything behind the wax dipping area has been cleared so it looks really small now. I didn't notice any other changes to the area other than the missing gold panning thing.

Outlaw Run looks even more fantastic than it did the last time I was here. The station looks pretty much complete and they're in the process of pouring the pavement outside. The frame for the queue cover is up. I still think it looks like a small queue area...

Hopefully I'll be able to post some photos tomorrow night.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on November 28, 2012, 10:11:13 PM
any pics yet shave?
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 29, 2012, 01:16:09 AM
Don't have time yet. I'm currently juggling multiple projects at once that are all due in 48 hours or less and probably shouldn't even be taking the time to look at the forums or post right now. I'll try to post them by friday night. There's not a whole lot that's exciting to see though, just a cleared space where Aunt Polly's used to be...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 29, 2012, 04:55:37 AM
I know there a few members going sat.  and I will be there sunday, So expect lots of support photos!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 30, 2012, 01:20:28 PM
Don't know if anyone else has seen this yet or not, but I found an "Outlaw Run" flyer in a brochure rack here in NW Arkansas this afternoon. I have never known SDC to publish and distribute a flyer on a coming attraction like this before. I found it curious, but exciting. They are really gonna be heavily promoting this coaster. check out the flyer:     http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 30, 2012, 03:21:35 PM
thats quite a deal there junior.....  it is surprising that they are doing that type of advertising so early...
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: Junior on November 30, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
I imagine the real goal is to sell more season passes for next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on November 30, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
You're exactly right Junior.  With season passes on sale and Christmas a coming now is the perfect time to promote pass sales as gifts.  I'm sure the brochure will spur some sales.
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 30, 2012, 05:41:35 PM
You're exactly right Junior.  With season passes on sale and Christmas a coming now is the perfect time to promote pass sales as gifts.  I'm sure the brochure will spur some sales.

Season Passes are GREAT stocking stuffers for the kids along with Itunes gift cards and what not.

I would have done the Dollywood promotion, buy 2013 season passes and get into OTC for free and collect the concession and souvenir sales and use Outlaw Run as the bait!
Title: Re: SDC's 2013 Project
Post by: dwfan on November 30, 2012, 09:58:29 PM