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Title: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on July 24, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
Continuing the tradition, here is the thread for SDC's 2014 additions and projects.

Usually these threads are for physical additions, but I think for 2014 we'll mainly be seeing them focus on the new summer festival and hopefully some new shows and demonstrations. Keep this thread updated with any improvements you see in 2014 as well, they typically use these "off-years" to do a lot of that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 25, 2013, 12:21:07 PM
 I would like to see the park focus on bringing in craftsmen and maybe redoing some of the older rides. put some $$ into sprucing up the AP tunnel, making some improvements at GM. That kind of thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on July 25, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
How about a revamp of Jack's Sandwich Shop and a complete rebuild on the tree house? Steel support covered in lumber for the tree house and a ramp for handicapped access, redo the concrete stair tree and bridge to accommodate today's larger sized folk, and fill the tree house with all sorts of new fun stuff to enjoy for kids and adults. I'm in favor of a new "Infinity Room" at the tree house, too! I know, wishful thinking?  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 25, 2013, 03:10:08 PM
I remember as a kid being completely amazed by the "Infinity Room" at the Tree House, the "suspended water faucet" in Grandfather's Mansion, and the "faces" in the AP cave.

Simple effects that just blew my mind as a child.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 25, 2013, 03:59:25 PM
I noticed on my last visit through Grandfathers Mansion (7/21/13) that the glass-breaking sound effect, as you reach for the gold nugget was working again...and...it was LOUD!
However, the 'rocking room' was tilted to one side and not working. Pun intended, but that room seems to be 'back-n-forth' from working to non-working.

That being said, I too am all in favor of 2014 being the year for UPGRADES to the classics.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 25, 2013, 04:59:29 PM
I would not expect to see "new" craftsmen in the park unfortunately...

I think we will see a lot of small upgrades through the winter, lots of fixin a repairs I hope... 

no hurry for this year to be over, But lookin forward to 2014

Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on July 26, 2013, 10:18:09 AM
I remember a few years ago when Silver Dollar City did a park wide spruce up, and repaint of several locations. I think it might have been for the 2010 50th Anniversary year, but I can't remember. At either rate, I would like to see Silver Dollar City go beyond a simple spruce up, and do a complete overhaul to many of our favorite classic attractions. Those old attractions deserve it! I know I am "beating a dead horse", but the American Plunge needs serious a refresher, among others.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 26, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
I don't understand why so many people are clamering to see FITH and FM overhauled. There are some improvements that could be made for sure, but if they were to completely overhaul those attractions I'm sure they would lose a lot of their old charm and imagination. You just can't replicate the spirit the designers had back when these rides were originally constructed. These days I think it would turn out very PC and bland, and would only loose the ride popularity and the classic appeal that it has. Maybe there's a right way to do it, but I wouldn't mess with such an integral part of the old SDC spirit right now.

Now AP could use a serious overhaul, but I could see that costing $6-$10 million easily, and would basically entail them ripping it all out and putting in a new Intamin flume system.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 26, 2013, 12:57:17 PM
I don't understand why so many people are clamering to see FITH and FM overhauled. There are some improvements that could be made for sure, but if they were to completely overhaul those attractions I'm sure they would lose a lot of their old charm and imagination. You just can't replicate the spirit the designers had back when these rides were originally constructed. These days I think it would turn out very PC and bland, and would only loose the ride popularity and the classic appeal that it has. Maybe there's a right way to do it, but I wouldn't mess with such an integral part of the old SDC spirit right now.

Now AP could use a serious overhaul, but I could see that costing $6-$10 million easily, and would basically entail them ripping it all out and putting in a new Intamin flume system.

Like I said, the storyline would not change, just the track system and the coaster part Maybe a better recording of the sound track and sound system and new special effects. Even Disney gets around to redoing stuff.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 26, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
I don't think a "rebuild" is the right term....  maybe some HD maintenance..

fresh paint,
maybe new clothes,
new recordings,
repair speakers.

A liitle bit of this type of work would go a long ways on FITH, FM, GM,,  and 200-300,000 dollars would buy a lot of labor and misc parts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Pintrader on July 26, 2013, 01:30:07 PM
How soon we forget!  FITH about 3 years ago did get a facelift.  I agree that FITH should not really be changed.  It would be great if they could bring it back to it's original glory when it opened in 1972.  With everything looking and working exactly like it did then.  AP on the other hand does need something done to it......almost anything would be an improvement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: runner1960 on July 27, 2013, 01:34:28 AM
I think that they all Need a complete makeover. FM was great, but they could improve it so much with today's technology. I have really not liked it since it went to the shoot out concept. A 3d version with water effects land go back to the old storyline. To me it just looks ugly and unmaintained right now. Sorry I know that my opinion will not be popular with some, but when you can ride it over and over again without getting off I would think it is not a very popular attraction.

The entire treehouse area could be completely redone to attract people to a part of the city that seems to be dying. The last few times we have been midtown has been a dead zone. Maybe a dark ride that that is family oriented.

As for FITH. I wold just like to see another refurb and maybe the drop segment added at the bridge. This would also be a good ride to use 3d screen technology on and get rid of all the old animatronics.
As for AP, it just needs to be done new from scratch.

Been riding some of these attractions since about 1970 so I guess you could call me old, but I really think they need to move ahead. Like someone said, even Disney retires and refurbish classics.

Sorry pin trader I think I sent this as a private message by mistake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Pintrader on July 27, 2013, 09:50:46 AM
That's all right Runner1960!  I thought that was a little odd but I answered you in a private message anyway.  Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 27, 2013, 11:49:34 AM
In my world of WhatIwouldhavedonia, I would build a kids log flume ride that shared the same footprint of the kid's coaster where the coaster track would run along side and across it with a themed old rock piers and Iron frame

(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_98_30.jpg)

and

(http://media.thedenverchannel.com/photo/2013/04/11/elitch-rollercoaster1_1365692418191_399570_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

Along with a slide complex like that would have a tip of the hat to the treehouse:

(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_20_675.jpg)

While going all out on a highly themed rebuild of AP, but keep the whirlpool feature  between a smaller first drop and the big drop at the end. And how about this kind of theming
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_14_890.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 27, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
^^^ That looks pretty cool!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 27, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
^^^ That looks pretty cool!

The big one is a redo of an older flume at Djurs Summerland, It actually has three drops. There's plenty of room on AP to add another drop, most newer ones do. Dudley Do Right at Universal is off the chain for a flume ride. One tunnel of AP is actually where a service road goes over it from looking at it on Google earth.

Dudley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a3DUeTTFy0

Djurs even has buffalo themed bumper cars, note the detail of the floor to be made to look like wood planks

(http://www.djurssommerland.dk/media/11304/buffalo_bumper_cars_djurs_sommerland_300x170web.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 28, 2013, 03:14:36 AM
I don't understand why so many people are clamering to see FITH and FM overhauled. There are some improvements that could be made for sure, but if they were to completely overhaul those attractions I'm sure they would lose a lot of their old charm and imagination.

I don't think any of the old fans have called for reinventing those rides. Runner1960 already had a great comment, but here's mine:

FITH and FM don't need a re-do, they need an un-do of the changes that took them away from the original story.

For FM, that means no guns, a minor update to the audio, and digitizing the projected faces to make them more reliable. Bring back the rock slide. Restore it to a ride of awe and suspense, not a float-along video game. How many riding now even know there are canaries, or what they mean?

I know FITH had a refresh just a few years back. How much would it cost to bring back the original burning bridge segment? Pennies, compared to even the feasibility study on a new ride. IIRC, that was taken out to increase throughput, something that isn't an issue in the days of multiple new coasters. Us old-timers waited two hours in line to ride FITH when it was the only coaster, but we had lots of citizens entertaining us and great cemetery theming to help pass the time. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 28, 2013, 06:26:26 AM
KB, Canaries....????   REally??  I know, I know!!!!!............  not telling though..
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: How-doFolks on July 28, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
Now i could do the bumper cars because i have always enjoyed them, ( because i am a auto racing fan. :D ) unless they were just for kids. Great themed idea!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 28, 2013, 09:39:38 AM
Now i could do the bumper cars because i have always enjoyed them, ( because i am a auto racing fan. :D ) unless they were just for kids. Great themed idea!

With a farm building theme change the buffalo theme to bulls and place it in Wilson's Farm area somehow.
Title: New survey received in email
Post by: busymom4kc on July 29, 2013, 05:36:20 PM
We received an email over the weekend regarding plans for GEYSER GULCH:

I am giving the choices without any details. If it is ok to post the details please let me know and I will.

Choice 1: Firefighters
Choice 2: Aviation including balloons (wink ;) wink ;) does that bring anything to mind?)
Choice 3: A Fireworks Factory (Our personal favorite!)  ;D

Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2013, 05:59:01 PM
A fireworks factory sounds like a shot tower.

Firefighters are already covered in FITH

The balloons on a pier over water might be intriguing.

I've shared details on the survey I got and didn't get in trouble.
Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: sanddunerider on July 29, 2013, 06:19:33 PM
Tell us!!  If you received it on a survey, it is already publicly known..  OPEN SEASON!!!  tell us!!!,,,LOL
Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: Joy on July 29, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
I definitely wanna see the details, plus any pics that may have been included. I've not received the survey (though it's possible I may yet receive one).

A fireworks factory sounds like a shot tower.

A shot tower would fit perfectly where the waterboggan tower currently is, and the waterboggan's footprint goes all the way up to Geyser Gulch...
Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: busymom4kc on July 29, 2013, 09:32:13 PM
Page 1:
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34347.jpg

 
How much do you like this idea for a new attraction at Silver Dollar City?
   I love it
   I like it
   It's okay
   I don't care for it
   I don't like it at all

If Silver Dollar City built this new attraction, how likely would you be to ask your parents to visit?
   Definitely would
   Probably would
   Neutral
   Probably would not
   Definitely would not

Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: busymom4kc on July 29, 2013, 09:40:25 PM
Sorry for the teaser. But frankly my meds are kicking in and I cannot concentrate enough to get this stuff posted. PROMISE it will be up in the morning. Was able to pull the pictures up so be ready folks!!  ;D
Title: Re: New survey received in email
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
Well, had the drop tower pegged and it sounds like one down 76 just a little bit. Wish one of the spinning ride was a custom spinning wild mouse. Kinda like that, lots of stuff packed in a relatively small area that keeps some of the play aspect. a Small little fireworks show over Lake Silver at nite would really get me interested.


(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34347.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 29, 2013, 11:22:47 PM
I went ahead and merged this with the current project thread for easier tracking of the discussion.

Sounds like they want to do another ride package, and probably from Zamperla. That's nice and all, but it sure will creep the amusement park feel into whatever was left of the charm of the riverfront unless they really theme it and hide the rides better than they have recently. A "fireworks factory" theme would be the final dagger in the heart of any credibility the original SDC theme had left. Usually these concept pitches don't really reflect the actual final details concept that the park has in mind, and I'm sure the theme would change quite a bit to fit the park better, but it sure does smell like something a suit at corporate who has never visited the park would think up. I guess there's no reason to be too harsh at this stage though, all this really tells us is that they are evaluating the demand for a new set of family rides. I guess that's what they have to inevitably do to stay competitive at this point anyway...

I don't know what to think about this, but I'm hoping they do as good of a job as they have with the last few additions and don't totally jump the shark with this next addition if this is the type of thing they're going to do. I think a major renovation of an area of the park like this could really impact the atmosphere of the entire park, and if they just fill it with rides like GE it won't be for the better.

If they do it well, I'll be happy to see a few more rides integrate into the park to keep the GP happy and ease the lines a bit. I've said for years now that I wouldn't mind seeing CC's shot tower make it into the park if it's themed well enough.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 29, 2013, 11:38:00 PM
Geyser Gulch really isn't charming now, so not sure what you are getting at Shave.  This is a remake of GG.  Some of the buildings would stay while others leave.  Let's not kid ourselves,  GG has not been the same every since Splash Harbor left. 

As far as "concepts" go - they have been pretty accurate with the past few ones.  River Blast looks a lot like the concept as did Half Dollar Holler and a lot of Outlaw Run.  I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2013, 11:39:07 PM
Are we sure this is a 2014 project? is it the 2015? or later?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 29, 2013, 11:43:22 PM
It's also a great way to get park hours extended with a fireworks show :).
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
Forgive me for being blunt, but you've got to be kidding!  A fireworks factory is really not any different from the explosive theme of PK - where, btw, the shot tower could easily be installed.  Take out GG?  Definitely!  But that's not what this is.  It looks like they want to use the current structure and just color it up with brighter, up-to-date color scheme.

A few other ramblings:
Yes, on a well-done dark ride!
Yes, on more craftsmen - I saw more at Disney in one day than at SDC in years.
Yes, on upgrades to all the longer queues - make them interactive and entertaining.
Yes, on an additional indoor show venue - with shows like the ones that used to be in the Riverfront Playhouse.
Yes, on more roaming citizens - and random mini-shows, not listed on the Pathfinder
Yes, on undoing the Shootout at the FM
Yes, on rebooting the AP - it is currently ridiculous.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
Geyser Gulch really isn't charming now, so not sure what you are getting at Shave.  This is a remake of GG.  Some of the buildings would stay while others leave.  Let's not kid ourselves,  GG has not been the same every since Splash Harbor left. 

As far as "concepts" go - they have been pretty accurate with the past few ones.  River Blast looks a lot like the concept as did Half Dollar Holler and a lot of Outlaw Run.  I guess we'll see.

That's true on both points, but I feel like GG at least had some influence from the original Herschend themes, even if they faded quickly. A fireworks factory would just be way out of left field, and throwing Doc Harris's name in there doesn't help that much. Like I've said though, there's a right way to do it and I know the folks behind SDC could do a great job with this. I just want to see them keep putting effort into making the park cohesive and immersive rather than throwing rides down. That's a point we make every time a new concept is announced, but this time feels like it's even more pertinent to restate since they're looking at refurbishing an area instead of making a brand new one off the park somewhere.  

Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2013, 12:03:49 AM
It's also a great way to get park hours extended with a fireworks show :).
That's the rumor anyways, more extended hours for summer next year. Think they see this as a way to peddle more two day visits via After a certain time , next day free promo they do. Milk the concession money from the visitor teet. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2013, 12:15:56 AM
Forgive me for being blunt, but you've got to be kidding!  A fireworks factory is really not any different from the explosive theme of PK - where, btw, the shot tower could easily be installed.  Take out GG?  Definitely!  But that's not what this is.  It looks like they want to use the current structure and just color it up with brighter, up-to-date color scheme.

Whoa, HB is back in town!  :D

If they made the fireworks from bat guano I'd be satisfied enough with it - at least it plays into the rest of the park that way.

The structure will be re-done of course, but what I'm watching for is the placement and integration of the five family rides they spoke of. If it's done like Plopsaland or even Disney it will be awesome, but if for some reason it clashed the whole lakefront would be effected, just like it was with GG. This is certainly a great opportunity to get it right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 30, 2013, 12:25:59 AM
Thanks for the notice, Shave!  I need to starting getting in here again, to stay connected with all the important people.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Hollwood on July 30, 2013, 06:55:12 AM
Seems to be inline with DL renovation of their boardwalk.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on July 30, 2013, 08:27:57 AM
Not sure which side of the fence I come down on about the theme, BUT I agree that GG needs something. It was looking pretty sad the last few times we visited. I would be very happy to see the Balloons make a comeback in the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2013, 08:52:58 AM
Not sure which side of the fence I come down on about the theme, BUT I agree that GG needs something. It was looking pretty sad the last few times we visited. I would be very happy to see the Balloons make a comeback in the park.

I agree with Shave that the theming will be key. It doesn't need to look like a giant Fisher Price play set like it currently does. Besides making the structure period appropriate the colorful firework props themsleves would stand out more. What in Zamperla's ride catalog do we not have yet that spins and could be themed. An surface comes to mind with rockets instead of planes. They certainly make a spinning wild mouse. Does a smaller Ferris wheel fit the spinning criteria?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on July 30, 2013, 10:50:20 AM
I would be very happy to see the Balloons make a comeback in the park.

Long live the balloons! ;D
Geyser Gulch has always seemed a bit corky to me, but I often see an abundance of kids with smiling faces so it must be doing something right. However, a good revamp would probably do it wonders.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on July 30, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
History Buff...glad to see you commenting again! I'm OK for having a revamped balloon ride back. The comments about more roaming characters and line entertainment warms my heart...if I were to go back to SDC, that type of work is what I would like to do, including a greeting line at the Hospitality House again each morning and afternoon/evening. It would be interesting to see about five family rides put in that area where the Tobaggan used to be. So, we will see what will happen. The old school shows at Riverfront Playhouse would be great, too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on July 30, 2013, 05:19:29 PM
Revamping that area could help spread out the crowds at Christmas.  Other than the show venues, really not much to do down that way when it is too cold for water rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2013, 05:28:45 PM
Revamping that area could help spread out the crowds at Christmas.  Other than the show venues, really not much to do down that way when it is too cold for water rides.

Excellent point!

Waiting for the other two concepts to show up so our park centric site can parse the ever loving poo out of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 30, 2013, 06:08:05 PM
History Buff...glad to see you commenting again! I'm OK for having a revamped balloon ride back. The comments about more roaming characters and line entertainment warms my heart...if I were to go back to SDC, that type of work is what I would like to do, including a greeting line at the Hospitality House again each morning and afternoon/evening. It would be interesting to see about five family rides put in that area where the Tobaggan used to be. So, we will see what will happen. The old school shows at Riverfront Playhouse would be great, too!

Thanks, Junior.

As much as people like Terry's characters, it just can't be a one-man show.  Even with Terry, I never see him doing anything other than saying hello or goodbye to guests.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 30, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
Sorry guys!  Mom has had grandkids at her house all day.  They are still there.  We'll finish it up tomorrow. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: busymom4kc on July 31, 2013, 05:19:19 PM
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34479.jpg

Rube Dugan's Magic of Flight
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: busymom4kc on July 31, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34480.jpg

Fire Fighter
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: busymom4kc on July 31, 2013, 05:22:52 PM
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34478.png

possible rides
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Thunderation on July 31, 2013, 05:26:14 PM
So, Whatever they do next year it will probably be an upgrade/retheme of GG.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 31, 2013, 05:26:48 PM
ohhh!!  nice...!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: SDC-BMW on July 31, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
Not a fan of any of those. To carny like. Just my opinion
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 31, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
I want  anything to do with Rube Dugan to be a theater experience in a DIVING BELL. out of those two I actually like the fireworks idea. Whatever they do, the drop tower from CC is on it's way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Joy on July 31, 2013, 08:30:17 PM
My two favorites would definitely be the fireworks and the Rube Dugan stuff. I think I prefer the fireworks to Dugan, but it's just about a tie.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
I think the Fire Station theme would be the easiest to integrate into the city, yet at the same time it would be kind of awkward in terms of stretching the theme to an entire area, and it might be the least interesting of the three in terms of catching people's attention. The flight one is probably my favorite - it's playful enough yet still fits the essence of the park. I hope they aren't considering a plane ride in there though like the artwork shows, because that would be way out of place.

The fireworks factory is interesting and could be done well, but it still seems a little out there and like it would contrast so much with the rest of the park. It would be cool if they tied in some other factors of the park with it like bat guano, and an occasional fireworks show could be interesting.

All of the three certainly sound neat in their own right though, and I wouldn't be too
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 31, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
I think the Fire Station theme would be the easiest to integrate into the city, yet at the same time it would be kind of awkward in terms of stretching the theme to an entire area, and it might be the least interesting of the three in terms of catching people's attention. The flight one is probably my favorite - it's playful enough yet still fits the essence of the park. I hope they aren't considering a plane ride in there though like the artwork shows, because that would be way out of place.

The fireworks factory is interesting and could be done well, but it still seems a little out there and like it would contrast so much with the rest of the park. It would be cool if they tied in some other factors of the park with it like bat guano, and an occasional fireworks show could be interesting.

All of the three certainly sound neat in their own right though, and I wouldn't be too

one of the proposed rides requires you to pedal to go up, there's one in Kansas City at LEGOLAND themed to wizards. Zamperla is really pushing it's new flat ride called Air Race, it fits both the flight and firework concepts.

a youtube of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onvjwck3dyU
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 31, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Any actual airplane-type machines, as opposed to fanciful flying contraptions, would be out of theme by about 20 years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 31, 2013, 10:31:24 PM
Most of us are smart enough to realize the airplanes and the fire trucks are WAY out of theme.  Again, there is a way to do this without breaking theme.

I think the fireworks go with the theme, especially if fireworks go off at regular times, including a floating fireworks structure in the lake during the evenings.

I like the looks of the firestation the best (and it should definitely be tied heavily to FitH!).  While we're at it, though, how about adding the following?  Rather than just the fire station, the structure could be the municipal services area:

-Police station (like a Keystone Cops type thing)
-The SDC Hospital (complete with 1880s ambulance service)
-Dress up the WB tower to be a forest fire watch tower (with binoculars and zip lines)

Now for the questions:
-Is the unsightly, age-old target structure in the lake going to finally be removed?
-Did the survey indicate this is for 2014?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Joy on July 31, 2013, 10:42:07 PM
I don't quite understand why they name Rube Dugan as the resident SDC inventor... I thought that was Doc Harris?

As it shows in the lower right of the Magic of Flight artwork, a ride could be themed to flying contraptions similar to what you can see outside the queue building for Wildfire as designed by Doc Harris.

OMG, that Zamperla Air Race looks AMAZING and could easily be themed to fit into the 1880s theme!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 31, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
-Did the survey indicate this is for 2014?

This will be stretched over 2 years.  If that gives you any indication of what is really going on there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 31, 2013, 11:00:15 PM
Yes, and maybe I'm not getting it either, but I thought Rube was a prospector/treasure hunter.  I never thought of him as much of an inventor.

Having said that, I don't want to see either one of these characters used as an excuse to add attractions that break the 1880s theme.  I still vote for the 5D Rube Dugan theater!

Swoosh, would you be hinting that this is the first year, with a supercoaster to anchor the area in 2015?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 01, 2013, 06:43:32 AM
Sadly, only us "park centric" folks that post here may remember Rube Dugan.

As for what I like (not that it matters) I think The Fireworks I like best. There were certainly fireworks in the late 1880s.  The lake seems logical for a factory location. its all about theming of the buildings ands rides. I see a B&M wing or 4D coaster fitting the flight and fireworks theme but is there room for such a ride where the waterboggan was. I Guess the other one that's opened the year of Wild Eagle was more compact and had a flight theme.

Man, I just want to see Rube back in the Bell.

I can also see a fireworks display over Lake Sliver during a longer lasting Moonlight Madness.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 01, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
Rube Dugan WAS SDC's resident inventor, BEFORE Doc Harris. Here is a quote from the back side of the diving bell post card that was sold on park in the 1970's:  "Rube Dugan was a legendary Ozark inventor who built the weirdest diving bell of all time...and everybody who visits Silver Dollar City takes a cruise in this curious contraption. It's a part of the special fun on the "lighter side of life" at the little town which is the Capital of the Ozarks." So, for me, seeing Rube reappear on park after so many years absence is fine, provided we don't have WWI Era planes flying around down by the lake. It is OK in my opinion to have hot air balloons or even the bicycles with wings thing. However, all that said, I too would LOVE to see a diving bell revamped and at Lake Silver again. If the powers that be actually go forth with a Dugan attraction, I am more than happy to lend a hand to helping them theme the area with old diving bell memorabilia that could go along the area people line up to get on the new ride. Group shots of diving bell crews, and other things to make the standing in line less boring. Something to look at that gives a nod to an attraction that used to be by the lake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 01, 2013, 10:33:44 AM
Rube Dugan WAS SDC's resident inventor, BEFORE Doc Harris. Here is a quote from the back side of the diving bell post card that was sold on park in the 1970's:  "Rube Dugan was a legendary Ozark inventor who built the weirdest diving bell of all time...and everybody who visits Silver Dollar City takes a cruise in this curious contraption. It's a part of the special fun on the "lighter side of life" at the little town which is the Capital of the Ozarks." So, for me, seeing Rube reappear on park after so many years absence is fine, provided we don't have WWI Era planes flying around down by the lake. It is OK in my opinion to have hot air balloons or even the bicycles with wings thing. However, all that said, I too would LOVE to see a diving bell revamped and at Lake Silver again. If the powers that be actually go forth with a Dugan attraction, I am more than happy to lend a hand to helping them theme the area with old diving bell memorabilia that could go along the area people line up to get on the new ride. Group shots of diving bell crews, and other things to make the standing in line less boring. Something to look at that gives a nod to an attraction that used to be by the lake.

Would they use the playhouse down there as a site for the theater. Something tells me some of the store fronts may vanish.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 01, 2013, 10:45:02 AM
It is possible they would remodel a building for a different use. In example: The old stagecoach depot is now part of the fried fancies buildings.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Thunderation on August 01, 2013, 12:02:04 PM
It would be neat if they put the tracked horse coaster thing by OR and themed it to the pony express.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 01, 2013, 12:26:06 PM
It would be neat if they put the tracked horse coaster thing by OR and themed it to the pony express.


^^THIS^^

There's two types of those rides the kiddie one like mentioned here with no rises in elevation and a launched one that can be quite the ride.  They can be themed to lots of things from jet skis to arcs to motorcycles. Remember the concept that was like riding a horse when the ride survey that had what became Outlaw Run was one along the shot tower.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 01, 2013, 02:05:02 PM
Rube Dugan WAS SDC's resident inventor, BEFORE Doc Harris. Here is a quote from the back side of the diving bell post card that was sold on park in the 1970's:  "Rube Dugan was a legendary Ozark inventor who built the weirdest diving bell of all time...and everybody who visits Silver Dollar City takes a cruise in this curious contraption. It's a part of the special fun on the "lighter side of life" at the little town which is the Capital of the Ozarks." So, for me, seeing Rube reappear on park after so many years absence is fine, provided we don't have WWI Era planes flying around down by the lake. It is OK in my opinion to have hot air balloons or even the bicycles with wings thing. However, all that said, I too would LOVE to see a diving bell revamped and at Lake Silver again. If the powers that be actually go forth with a Dugan attraction, I am more than happy to lend a hand to helping them theme the area with old diving bell memorabilia that could go along the area people line up to get on the new ride. Group shots of diving bell crews, and other things to make the standing in line less boring. Something to look at that gives a nod to an attraction that used to be by the lake.

There was a time when Rube was a character at Geyser Gulch.  It was a lame attempt to keep Rube alive.  With the diving bell, Rube had a purpose/goal:  to mine the lake.  With the flying contraptions, that goal, the legend of Rube Dugan is blurred tremendously.  Rube, without the diving bell, is nothing more than a hillbilly version of Doc Harris (who is more of a mad, albeit likable, scientist).  Is he using his profits from Lake Silver to invest in the future of air travel?  I'd rather he use his leftover explosives to start a fireworks factory.  If he has to straighten up and become a businessman, a story could still be created along those lines, but to say he invented airplanes, outside of a more steampunk version, just doesn't work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: BackInTime on August 02, 2013, 01:10:27 PM
Well the email survey certainly has changed and spurred the conversation. Sounds like whatever theme is chosen for the GG overhaul will set the stage for our next B&M wonder to anchor that area in phase two.

Having a legitimate coaster in that area would be a monumental addition for improving park flow.

As far as Phase One is concerned, I can't say I'm enamored by the idea of adding a few more kiddie rides and a shot tower or drop tower, but... if it "replaces" GG which has been begging for some TLC for a while, and leads to a major addition following, I'm all for it.

All that said, of the thematic options presented, I would vote for the fireworks factory all day long with on caveat. I would hope it's done with a very rustic approach, versus bright, bold colors as the concept art illustrates. Despite how well GE was done in terms of detail, I think it's very out of theme and character for the period in which the bulk of SDC so magically recreates.

The idea of the fireworks factory fits in beautifully (so long as it's done right). After all, four of SDC's five coasters have already been developed and themed around the idea of fire/explosives...FITH,TNT,PK,WF.

If the new theme chosen is in fact the fireworks factory approach, they should borrow pages from our other coaster queues and stories, and really work to make it blend seamlessly with the rest of the park. I would hate to see GE's out of theme palette spill over into the GG area with updated attractions that stick out like a throbbing thumb.

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 02, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
The Geyser Gulch theme is leaving, but the area is not leaving.  Read the concepts.  The climbs and interactive stuff are mentioned.  They will more than likely just be refurbished back into working condition. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 02, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I see a lot of assumptions building here that don't seem to have a lot of backing to them, so maybe it's time we regathered some thoughts here and slowed this rumor mill down a bit.

What we know right now that the park has been investigating a combination GG-refurbishment and Zamperla kiddie/family ride package with the S&S tower from CC included as well.

What we don't know is when they'll do this, or even IF they'll go ahead with it. We also know nothing about the next coaster project. Even if we did know something, so much can change if the PTB doesn't get the response they want or if they start freaking out about the park's numbers not being as high as they expected. I've heard SDC's numbers are at least not down from last year anymore, but with a new $10 million coaster I'm sure they were hoping for at least a 10% increase in attendance.

I could see the GG project happening in 2015 honestly, with them using 2014 to sit back and let their finances recover and try to push their numbers back up with the new festivals and events. That's purely speculation on my part, but it's just an example of a different route they could take right now.

The only reason we have to believe that another coaster is on the way soon is because Pete Herschend reportedly said something to someone that sounded like a hint. While I think that was something to get excited about, it really doesn't bear that much weight when you consider that Pete isn't really involved with the park's operations anymore, and it was only an off-the-cuff remark that could have meant anything. I know Swoosh has some speculation to offer, but when it comes to another B&M coming anytime soon I'll believe it when it's announced. It just doesn't add up when you look at the way this company behaves and how the market seems to be acting right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 02, 2013, 07:25:50 PM
I see a lot of assumptions building here that don't seem to have a lot of backing to them, so maybe it's time we regathered some thoughts here and slowed this rumor mill down a bit.

What we know right now that the park has been investigating a combination GG-refurbishment and Zamperla kiddie/family ride package with the S&S tower from CC included as well.

What we don't know is when they'll do this, or even IF they'll go ahead with it. We also know nothing about the next coaster project. Even if we did know something, so much can change if the PTB doesn't get the response they want or if they start freaking out about the park's numbers not being as high as they expected. I've heard SDC's numbers are at least not down from last year anymore, but with a new $10 million coaster I'm sure they were hoping for at least a 10% increase in attendance.

I could see the GG project happening in 2015 honestly, with them using 2014 to sit back and let their finances recover and try to push their numbers back up with the new festivals and events. That's purely speculation on my part, but it's just an example of a different route they could take right now.

The only reason we have to believe that another coaster is on the way soon is because Pete Herschend reportedly said something to someone that sounded like a hint. While I think that was something to get excited about, it really doesn't bear that much weight when you consider that Pete isn't really involved with the park's operations anymore, and it was only an off-the-cuff remark that could have meant anything. I know Swoosh has some speculation to offer, but when it comes to another B&M coming anytime soon I'll believe it when it's announced. It just doesn't add up when you look at the way this company behaves and how the market seems to be acting right now.

That's on the mark, shave.  Besides, as they market things, everything they do is "going to be exciting".  Remember when HDH was going to be a huge deal or when C&C was going to be a huge deal?  You have to admit, those things weren't the most exciting additions in the world (The word "huh?" comes to mind.).
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 02, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
I see a lot of assumptions building here that don't seem to have a lot of backing to them, so maybe it's time we regathered some thoughts here and slowed this rumor mill down a bit.

What we know right now that the park has been investigating a combination GG-refurbishment and Zamperla kiddie/family ride package with the S&S tower from CC included as well.

What we don't know is when they'll do this, or even IF they'll go ahead with it. We also know nothing about the next coaster project. Even if we did know something, so much can change if the PTB doesn't get the response they want or if they start freaking out about the park's numbers not being as high as they expected. I've heard SDC's numbers are at least not down from last year anymore, but with a new $10 million coaster I'm sure they were hoping for at least a 10% increase in attendance.

I could see the GG project happening in 2015 honestly, with them using 2014 to sit back and let their finances recover and try to push their numbers back up with the new festivals and events. That's purely speculation on my part, but it's just an example of a different route they could take right now.

The only reason we have to believe that another coaster is on the way soon is because Pete Herschend reportedly said something to someone that sounded like a hint. While I think that was something to get excited about, it really doesn't bear that much weight when you consider that Pete isn't really involved with the park's operations anymore, and it was only an off-the-cuff remark that could have meant anything. I know Swoosh has some speculation to offer, but when it comes to another B&M coming anytime soon I'll believe it when it's announced. It just doesn't add up when you look at the way this company behaves and how the market seems to be acting right now.

That's on the mark, shave.  Besides, as they market things, everything they do is "going to be exciting".  Remember when HDH was going to be a huge deal or when C&C was going to be a huge deal?  You have to admit, those things weren't the most exciting additions in the world (The word "huh?" comes to mind.).

HDH, The play structure was underwhelming and it needed another kiddie ride. The design and styling was just fine. If you got 3 to 6 year olds it serves it's purpose. What I noticed is the original renderings of Wilson's Farm had a mini swing to the right of the Gaint Swing Barn Entrance, it didn't go there but ended up in HDH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 02, 2013, 09:46:54 PM
I do have a three year old, but I can go to McDonald's or Chik-Fil-A and do a play structure for free.  I don't plan to waste a lot of time chasing him around HDH.  Not to say we don't go, but as you say, the styling looks great, but it seems like a lot of money for what it is.  More play to go with the structure would have been nice.

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic, don't be distracted by the required marketing language that hypes expectations - no matter what the payoff.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 02, 2013, 11:54:20 PM
I do have a three year old, but I can go to McDonald's or Chik-Fil-A and do a play structure for free.  I don't plan to waste a lot of time chasing him around HDH.  Not to say we don't go, but as you say, the styling looks great, but it seems like a lot of money for what it is.  More play to go with the structure would have been nice.

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic, don't be distracted by the required marketing language that hypes expectations - no matter what the payoff.

Playgrounds at Mcdonalds are going the way of the do do bird, One did survive a remodel this year here in Fayetteville. I was Shocked. I remember these:

(http://www.wakeus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1hamburglar.jpg)
Title: Possible Geyser Gulch Renovation – You Vote!
Post by: BackInTime on August 06, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
A recent SDC email survey hinted at the possibility of future plans to improve the Geyser Gulch area with a brand new theme, complete with an offering of several new family rides. Links to the three theme descriptions and concept art shared in the survey are below.

What would you like to see in the Geyser Gulch area going forward? NOTE: Voting is for SDCFans.com entertainment purposes only.   


Rube Dugan’s Magic of Flight
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34479.jpg

Fire Station
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34480.jpg

Fireworks Factory
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34347.jpg

Possible ride additions
http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34478.png
Title: Re: Possible Geyser Gulch Renovation – You Vote!
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 06, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
Wow! That's tough! I'm am leaning a bit towards the Magic of Flight theme as it would mean the possible return of the classic Balloon Ride. ;D

However, I don't how that would fit into the playground itself. Especially since theoretically, Silver Dollar City is set in the 1880's, and the first airplane flight wasn't until 1903. Yes, I know I am looking into it way too much. :D

The Fire Station idea is neat, but it seems out of place with Fire in the Hole being across the park. However, it would work out well for the existing water cannons.

The Fireworks factory would be a hard one to pull off. I think they should go with the logical approach, and turn it into a riverside dock play area. This is already hinted at a bit currently, however the entire structure is modeled towards a City Hall which is very out of place.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 06, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
Merging threads... Again, I like to keep things in specific threads. It makes it much easier for people to follow and prevents us from having numerous parallel threads where people are copying and pasting the same responses into each one.

I'm so confident in SDC's thematic skills at this point that I'm not too worried about which theme they'll pick. I'm just highly interested to see how they'll make the new theme "fit" with the rest of the park and how much emphasis they'll put on atmosphere vs. packing in rides. The good thing about GG was that it was such a huge, immersive experience for younger kids. There is so much to do down there everywhere you look - it really is a huge area with lots of bells and whistles packed away. If they take all that out to make room for rides, you could potentially end up with more attractions, but actually less for them to do. It's a very interesting project to watch for me, I really like to get into the logistics of these new additions.

All that said though, I like the flight theme best. Still say it fits the park the most.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on August 06, 2013, 05:01:05 PM
Its just me.... I'm a purist & would want the Rube Dugan name to remain Nautical & legendary to lake Silver.
I don't care for the flight theme at all. Seems too carny. My vote is for fireworks if done properly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: BackInTime on August 06, 2013, 08:55:03 PM
Merging threads... Again, I like to keep things in specific threads. It makes it much easier for people to follow and prevents us from having numerous parallel threads where people are copying and pasting the same responses into each one.

Sorry, Shave. Doesn't appear there is an option to create a poll within an existing thread, so I started a new one. Apologies for the inconvenience. 

It goes without saying that opinions around any changes to the park are totally subjective. But I do find it somewhat surprising that some have questioned how the Fireworks Factory theme would blend into the overall park. As I've already mentioned in an earlier post, four of the five coasters at SDC are already themed around something pyro related. Fire in the Hole, Powder Keg, Wildfire and ThuNderaTion. A Fireworks Factory themed area seems like a pretty effortless fit to me.

Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 06, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
^Right, there's lots of pyro themes, but fireworks have always seen like a modern, foreign thing to me. I associate them with China mostly. I've never heard of there being fireworks factories scattered around missouri towns in the 1880s.

That's not to say it matters too much in this case, because with this being the GG area they are trying to be somewhat whimsical and that works for this particular area of the park. Like I've said, there's ways to do it right, but I personally don't see what others are seeing in it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 06, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
^Right, there's lots of pyro themes, but fireworks have always seen like a modern, foreign thing to me. I associate them with China mostly. I've never heard of there being fireworks factories scattered around missouri towns in the 1880s.

That's not to say it matters too much in this case, because with this being the GG area they are trying to be somewhat whimsical and that works for this particular area of the park. Like I've said, there's ways to do it right, but I personally don't see what others are seeing in it.

Hmmm....

America's earliest settlers brought their enthusiasm for fireworks to the United States. Fireworks and black ash were used to celebrate important events long before the American Revolutionary War. The very first celebration of Independence Day was in 1777, six years before Americans knew whether the new nation would survive the war; fireworks were a part of all festivities. In 1789, George Washington's inauguration was also accompanied by a fireworks display.

Could really do something cool during extended nighttime hours like Moonlight Madness with a cool Catherine Wheel type of fireworks show with contraptions like this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Firework_design.jpg/750px-Firework_design.jpg)

Something like this over Lake Silver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJxzGNPlKc
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 06, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
Its just me.... I'm a purist & would want the Rube Dugan name to remain Nautical & legendary to lake Silver.
I don't care for the flight theme at all. Seems too carny. My vote is for fireworks if done properly.

Agreed.  I see a compromise with having a fireworks factory and volunteer firefighter station next to each other in the area, but I do not like the airplanes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 07, 2013, 10:08:38 AM
Agreed.  I see a compromise with having a fireworks factory and volunteer firefighter station next to each other in the area, but I do not like the airplanes.

A fire station next to a fireworks factory - that would be funny, and ironic! :D

Fireworks were definitely used during the 1880's, but it would still have to be done right to avoid being cheesy. Regardless of the theme, I would still like to see the return of the Balloon Ride somewhere amongst it. My personal nostalgic side always seeps back in. :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 07, 2013, 11:25:01 AM
Agreed.  I see a compromise with having a fireworks factory and volunteer firefighter station next to each other in the area, but I do not like the airplanes.

A fire station next to a fireworks factory - that would be funny, and ironic! :D

Fireworks were definitely used during the 1880's, but it would still have to be done right to avoid being cheesy. Regardless of the theme, I would still like to see the return of the Balloon Ride somewhere amongst it. My personal nostalgic side always seeps back in. :D

I would like to see the balloons return too. Just not here. Could it be returned to a manned weather/observation balloons on the look out for spin ups since Wilson's Farm and Outlaw Run is giving us the the moving west into the prairie and beyond.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on August 07, 2013, 06:26:54 PM
If they do go for a Fire station type of project. I assume this would be "Fire Station No.2" ?????
Hmmmm maybe since the Baldknobbers are burning down the town the citizens felt the needed to add a second station  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 07, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Haha, the idea of a dueling fireworks factory and fire station is hilarious. That would definitely make the area interesting and imaginative. I'm warming to the fireworks theme, I can see more now how it could fit into the park. I still don't care either way though - just keep the airplanes away!

I'm can't wait to see some more detailed descriptions of this project. I'm really curious to see if the foam ball stuff will be kept, or if they'll try something else. It seems like the foam ball play forts were a 90's fad that most parks have done away with, probably for sanitary/maintenance reasons. New playground equipment seems to be a sticker for parks as well, due to there apparently being huge liability concerns.

This doesn't seem like something they'd announce in late August/September, so we might have to wait until the November season pass sale begins.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 07, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
I would like to see the park focus on bringing in craftsmen and maybe redoing some of the older rides. put some $$ into sprucing up the AP tunnel, making some improvements at GM. That kind of thing.

Yes, yes, and YES!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 07, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
How about a revamp of Jack's Sandwich Shop and a complete rebuild on the tree house? Steel support covered in lumber for the tree house and a ramp for handicapped access, redo the concrete stair tree and bridge to accommodate today's larger sized folk, and fill the tree house with all sorts of new fun stuff to enjoy for kids and adults. I'm in favor of a new "Infinity Room" at the tree house, too! I know, wishful thinking?  ;)

...and, YES, again!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Joy on August 09, 2013, 10:21:28 PM
I like the irony of a fire station next to a fireworks factory. It would fit perfectly with SDC's sense of humor, like the designated smoking spot that's next to the cemetary.

I voted for fireworks, but I want any PTB that may be lurking to know I also vote for a return of the balloons!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
I like the irony of a fire station next to a fireworks factory. It would fit perfectly with SDC's sense of humor, like the designated smoking spot that's next to the cemetary.

I voted for fireworks, but I want any PTB that may be lurking to know I also vote for a return of the balloons!

I don't know, another smoking area is right in front of the nursing station adjacent to the RedGold theater.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on August 12, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
they should bring back the balloons and take out one of the little kiddie things from GE
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 12, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
^I think at this point there's enough demand for more kid's rides, not less. As for the balloons, I've heard that the old ride has been left to rot and probably won't operate again. It's been sitting in a back lot unprotected all this time. I believe you can see it if you know where to look when driving past. It's more likely that they would buy a similar ride brand new from Zamperla. They still make a Balloon Chase model ride, which may actually be the same model as the old one. Does anyone know for sure? I thought SDC's version was made by Chance, but I always confuse these details.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 12, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
SDC's was a Zamperla, but it was custom made. The "off the shelf" version can be found at almost every "Camp Snoopy" or "Toon Town." They look to plastic for SDC so I hope Zamperla can duplicate if they decide to go that route. SDC still has a fiberglass shop at M&C, so the balloons themselves are salvageable. All that would need to be replaced is the drive tower, wich can be seen from 76.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2013, 09:18:39 PM
^I think at this point there's enough demand for more kid's rides, not less. As for the balloons, I've heard that the old ride has been left to rot and probably won't operate again. It's been sitting in a back lot unprotected all this time. I believe you can see it if you know where to look when driving past.

Unless they moved them somewhere else on the lot, they were not in their "spot" the last time I drove by.  Take that for what it is worth...
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2013, 09:38:36 PM
When it comes down to it, what difference is there in the balloon ride and and any other turning/flying ride?  These rides just don't have the true nostalgic appeal of, say, a diving bell or a flooded mine, and they don't have the thrill factor of a roller coaster or a giant swing.  I can pretty much drive in circles on the top level of a parking garage and receive the same effect.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2013, 09:40:17 PM
"spinning rides" add movement to a "dead" section of the park.  It is amazing how much life even one moving attraction can add
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 13, 2013, 08:47:39 AM
I agree with more kids rides. The twins are finally tall enough to rude pretty much anything, but Anna is only 18 months old.  The ladybugs bore her.  I'm not even sure a what the point of having that ride is. I see many 45 minute wait times for the frogs in the near future. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 13, 2013, 10:15:24 AM
When it comes down to it, what difference is there in the balloon ride and and any other turning/flying ride?  These rides just don't have the true nostalgic appeal of, say, a diving bell or a flooded mine, and they don't have the thrill factor of a roller coaster or a giant swing.  I can pretty much drive in circles on the top level of a parking garage and receive the same effect.

For me it is all about the nostalgia! I grew up as an early 90's kid, and the Balloon Ride was my favorite! Sure, it's just a ride that spins around in a circle. Sure, it's not much different than the Dumbo ride at Disney World. But, as a kid I thought it was really neat, and there is a nostalgic side of me that would love for the newer generation of kids to experience such a simple thrill. Plus, if Silver Dollar City plans on doing some renovations, they might as well bring it back anyway. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on August 13, 2013, 10:16:49 AM
Nostalgia. Purely Nostalgia. We rode those baloons when we were kids and wish that our kids could ride em too
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 13, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
Ah, now you know how I feel about the tree house, stagecoach, float trip, diving bell, rainmaker, and other "lost" rides and attractions! ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
Nostalgia. Purely Nostalgia. We rode those baloons when we were kids and wish that our kids could ride em too

Exactly! The balloons weren't really in-theme anyway, but the nostalgia of that particular ride is what I'm attracted to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 13, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
Not in theme? Tom and Huck is a story about exploring... Hot air balloons fit theme perfectly! Just as River Blast is today!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Want them to be more interesting?  Install them in the cathedral room of Marvel Cave to commemorate the hot air balloons that have been launched there.  Now THAT would be interesting.

Junior, I agree:  those were the nostalgic times, when creativity trumped cookie cutter rides and attractions.  That's all I ask for...well, maybe not ALL, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2013, 10:06:50 PM
Nostalgia. Purely Nostalgia. We rode those baloons when we were kids and wish that our kids could ride em too

Exactly! The balloons weren't really in-theme anyway, but the nostalgia of that particular ride is what I'm attracted to.

Heh, sometimes I think we are too rigid on what constitutes "in-theme" at SDC. There's a certain amount of kitsch involved. SDC came close at times to being a true frontier town, but there's always been an edge to it, and the balloons fit within that to some degree. I mean, hot air balloons have been around since 1800 at least. Obviously they wouldn't be flying around a little Ozark town, but that's where the kitsch aspect comes in.

As for History Buff's comments, I think at this point it has to be conceded that there will be an increasing number of off-the-shelf flat rides installed around the park. At one point, even the balloon ride was kind of a sore thumb for the park's ambiance, but if it were still there now I don't think it would clash nearly as much. We talk every other week about how the park is changing in that aspect, but I still say that there's a right way to do it that keeps the SDC spirit more or less in tact while giving the current market what it wants. Look at TGS for example - a revolutionary (at the time) level of theming for a simple S&S screamin' swing, with a whole area full of interesting little perks around it. It's all about putting these rides into a 'place' instead of just a bunch of rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Joy on August 13, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
I believe the balloon ride was inspired by Tom Sawyer Abroad, in which the characters travel the world in a hot air balloon. The Wil Vinton claymation "The Adventures of Mark Twain" was based around that book. Excellent film, BTW. It's on Netflix streaming, if you ever wanna check it out. It's what raised me on Twain stories as a child in California.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
Nostalgia. Purely Nostalgia. We rode those baloons when we were kids and wish that our kids could ride em too

Exactly! The balloons weren't really in-theme anyway, but the nostalgia of that particular ride is what I'm attracted to.

Heh, sometimes I think we are too rigid on what constitutes "in-theme" at SDC. There's a certain amount of kitsch involved. SDC came close at times to being a true frontier town, but there's always been an edge to it, and the balloons fit within that to some degree. I mean, hot air balloons have been around since 1800 at least. Obviously they wouldn't be flying around a little Ozark town, but that's where the kitsch aspect comes in.

As for History Buff's comments, I think at this point it has to be conceded that there will be an increasing number of off-the-shelf flat rides installed around the park. At one point, even the balloon ride was kind of a sore thumb for the park's ambiance, but if it were still there now I don't think it would clash nearly as much. We talk every other week about how the park is changing in that aspect, but I still say that there's a right way to do it that keeps the SDC spirit more or less in tact while giving the current market what it wants. Look at TGS for example - a revolutionary (at the time) level of theming for a simple S&S screamin' swing, with a whole area full of interesting little perks around it. It's all about putting these rides into a 'place' instead of just a bunch of rides.

Exactly.  I concede that there is a right way to do it.  I suppose it depends on what is rotating on those arms.  The balloons and their pastel '80s appearance will not work with current color pallets and clashed when they were installed (Even the ferris wheel, installed at the same time, was tan/brown.).  I didn't mind that they were balloons, but put a bunch of airplanes or "modern" firetrucks in there and you've broken with theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on August 14, 2013, 10:36:06 AM
I agree that the Balloon Ride isn't the most ideal themed attraction, but it sure beats the pants off of the red spinning disk ride, and the giant swinging boat ride in the Grand Exposition! Not to mention the ultimate ripoff itself - the flying elephants! :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on August 14, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Take out the elephants and replace with the balloons. Everyone's happy  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
Take out the elephants and replace with the balloons. Everyone's happy  ;D

Quite honestly, the balloons fit the stated theme of the GE better than the Disney knockoff elephants. That and the hymalaya style ride with the pirate ships next to the swinging pirate ship helped disappoint on the stated goal The GE area. The pirate ship could have been themed to a flat bottom boat from the Tom and Huck period if not part of the the GE. Yeah we get savings likely gained choosing from Zamperla's stock rides.

The balloons, along with the tea cups and the swing and the electronic spin fit the Worlds Fair theme while the pirate ships(both rides and the elephants do not) the kiddie,kiddie rides should have had a different theme.

I like the idea of having pockets of kiddie rides sprinkled here and there instead of being concentrated in one area. I think it promotes families sticking together or relatively close by as they traverse the park instead of spouting up. Half Dollar is in a spot where Dad watches the pre K kiddos while mom or grandparents hit the shops near there.  I'd like to see a small scale Ferris wheel western or farm themed out by Wilson's Farm and Outlaw Run along with bull themed bumper cars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: runner1960 on August 14, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
Maybe a good solution would be to start moving some of the rides from GE to other parts of the park where they have small pockets of land available. Put 1 or 2 in the treehouse area. A few would fit nicely in the old water boggan area then this would free up the GE area for a new major attraction. I was really disappointed myself with GE since it is basically rides you can do at any traveling carnival in the country. Same thoughts on Ferris Wheels and other similar rides. I guess the parents with small children love it though and probably don't give a rats behind about theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2013, 05:52:44 PM
No.  I'll write more later.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
No.  I'll write more later.

I'd rather keep those all together - and keep the kids in those isolated areas like GE and HDH.  Please don't spread them out.

The balloons do not fit the color pallet.

I'm not a huge fan of GE with the ride selections, but I do think it is themed OK.  They ABSOLUTELY need to have a small ragtime band and barbershop quartet in the gazebo though to really bring the area to life, along with the ORIGINAL rainmaker.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2013, 06:16:13 PM
The solution to GE is definitely not to spread it out across the entire park. The area could use some work to make it more immersive, but the fact that it is off in it's own little off-shoot of the park is what has always made it 'acceptable'. When you look at it as SDC's take on a carnival, it just sort of works. The back portion simply needs to be re-done. Perhaps someday they'll tackle that, but as it is I certainly wouldn't want to see those particular rides anywhere else. They are nicely tucked away back there where they don't interfere with the experience of the rest of the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
The solution to GE is definitely not to spread it out across the entire park. The area could use some work to make it more immersive, but the fact that it is off in it's own little off-shoot of the park is what has always made it 'acceptable'. When you look at it as SDC's take on a carnival, it just sort of works. The back portion simply needs to be re-done. Perhaps someday they'll tackle that, but as it is I certainly wouldn't want to see those particular rides anywhere else. They are nicely tucked away back there where they don't interfere with the experience of the rest of the park.

When I think Grand Exposition, I  think of World's Fair and somehow Victorian. The tea cups and the swings fit that, so would the balloons. There's plenty of Victorian style in the 1880s. The disco fits fine. I can't stand the elephants or the pirate ships back there.

I don't mind kid rides spread out. Case in point. The Giant Swing. The last visit OR went down and everyone hit the Giant Swing. Line came way out of the Barn queue. The High Lows were operating just one tower and the wait for that with the little kids to afraid to ride the swing with the bigger kids and adults was 40 minutes, I kid you not. The frog race stands often unused and few actually race or stay long enough to get one done to the other end. Neat concept though. A little ferris wheel like this but maybe themed to stagecoachs
(http://zamperla.com/public/product/big/major-rides/ferriswheel_main.jpg)
would add something for Mom and little one to do and eat into wait while Dad and bigger kids take in OR.

As for the zamperla rides and the survey themes I can see these used

The flight theme and as seen at LEGOLAND in KC
(http://zamperla.com/public/product/big/family-rides/magicbikes_main.jpg)

Fire theme
(http://zamperla.com/public/product/big/aqua-rides/firebrigade_main.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
Ok, finally home.

The whole point of the Grand Exposition was to create an area with family rides with ONE entrance in and ONE entrance out.  This was to create a "safe dead end" in the park.  The felt that by having this area, families could let their younger kids go explore while the families could rest at the entrance to the area if they choose.  That is the whole point of the GE.  If you go moving those rides around the park (which they won't) that defeats the purpose of the whole area.

Next.  The reason there are not more rides spread around the park is due to the long standing goal of keeping most rides hidden from the main loop midway.  This is something that SDC has kept as a tradition from the get go - by spreading the rides around you are killing one more tradition -- I thought traditions were important.

Finally the complaining about the theme of somethings in GE and "not fitting" -- you do realize what the theme is in the area, right?  The theme of the area is basically to break the theme of the park.  You are to find things in this area that would be unique and not seen in the city had the exposition not come to town.  The elephants fit fine.  They are exotic and are advertised as such.  The Galleon and Regatta are right there too.  You would not see large sailing ships like that unless the expo had come to town.  The list goes on.  The point being that the whole area is about breaking the theme because it is an EXPOSITION of NEW THINGS.  Of course you won't see those things elsewhere in the city. 

Finally let's get back on track to 2014.  I think it is time to do yet another split topic here and move the theming "discussion" to another topic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 14, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
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"spinning rides" add movement to a "dead" section of the park.  It is amazing how much life even one moving attraction can add
True enough but I cant count the times I have been back to the GE and the rides are not all running.
There is not much of an excuse for that. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 14, 2013, 08:37:37 PM
Swoosh is right...it's a "worlds fair" thing. No, not too Ozark Mountain Village. It works, though. I feel the area is a well themed carnival attraction. I mainly have an issue with the location, right next to the Indian Point/Hwy. 76 intersection. I know they are short on usable land, and that is why it is there. It works, though. I don't have any other major complaints. The only guess as to why some rides aren't running, I'd say it's either the weather or done in periods of low guest attendance. It could also be that not enough personnel are available to run all at once. Don't really know, but it's just a guess.
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If they do a good job with the theme on the new family rides in the old toboggan area, OK. It will be a slightly different themed area, and, in my opinion, if they do that, it is another well themed carnival attraction. If they are considering such an area, which apparently they are, it more than likely is because guests have requested more family rides like in GE. On this issue, I beg them not to add WWI style airplanes or fire trucks. Nothing hokey, please. The balloons coming back in some form are OK by me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Here's the new thread about theming if you're interested in continuing the conversation (since this is the 2014 Project thread):

http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=2683.0;topicseen
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: qwed94 on August 15, 2013, 01:34:46 AM
Again. I also agree with Swoosh.

That is the real reason for the area. 1-to have the kids things seperated (as most other parks do) AND 2-(which I never really thought about till Swoosh explained it) it is supposed to break the theme.  Very well said

Thank You Swoosh for enlightening me on that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on August 15, 2013, 11:10:42 AM
Bring back the one mule swing
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 15, 2013, 12:00:06 PM
I'm for bringing back the mule swing! I was the "mule driver" named "Ben Turning," in 1979. Opening line to those getting on the mule swing back then: "Howdy, Folks! I'm yer mule driver, Ben Turning, and I've been turning this mule around and around here a long time!" Yes, hokey, but it ALWAYS got a laugh.  ;)  The reason you don't see "work animals" on the streets of SDC now is probably the cost of insurance on an animal in a public space...just think if a mule ever kicked someone or broke loose and ran off down the street. Now, that NEVER happened even once in the entire 7 years I worked out there that I know of...but it could happen...and now is no different than back then. Unfortunately, you will probably never see the mule swing back again. Even then there were people who chewed me out at least once or twice a week for being cruel to an animal. So, there ya go! The mule swing, like other "lost" attractions, is part of that good ole romantic atmosphere at SDC in the days gone by. Happy memories, ya'll!  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: U Smell Smoke on August 15, 2013, 05:44:48 PM
Junior, don't I remember you reporting once before that the mule up and died one day?  Or is my mind tricking me?!?!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 15, 2013, 05:55:06 PM
Yup, the mule up and died one day. This would have been in about 1980 or maybe 1981. He was an old mule. Very tame, very gentle. It was his time to go. Since he died during the middle of the day, they would not bring in a bucket loader to pick it up and move it out because it would draw too much attention and would be out of theme, too. They covered the mule with a tarp, kept somebody at his side the rest of the day so no one would disturb the mule, and removed him after the park was closed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on August 19, 2013, 04:37:54 PM
Poor ol fellow. I was probably one of the kids in 79 that rode that thing.

Dang lawyers, leave it to them to screw up every good thing we ever had...
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 30, 2013, 06:08:47 PM
here is an article from local branson paper.

has some pretty detailed info for the 2014 expansion....

If you don't want to know what they are doing yet, and want to wait on official announcement,,,DONT read this article...  you have been warned...

http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_618027aa-11ab-11e3-b044-0019bb2963f4.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 30, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
^'Sounds like the polled concepts are for 2015, not 2014.  White Water will receive some attention.  "With an exclamation point."
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 30, 2013, 09:17:14 PM
That's about what I expected. Sounds good to me.

I just think it's funny how much they harp on Screamscape, when literally the only thing that site does is scrape forums like these for little tidbits of information.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 30, 2013, 10:05:25 PM
That's about what I expected. Sounds good to me.

I just think it's funny how much they harp on Screamscape, when literally the only thing that site does is scrape forums like these for little tidbits of information.

Heck, he may have had a heads up on what was posted here so he could link it ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 31, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
I did think SDC acknowledged us in their comments when they mentioned they "put it out there in the world" and then listened to comments and suggestions.  It does sound as if they are doing more than taking objective data, but that they actually mold the comments of their followers into the final product.

Listen to this, SDC researchers:  I want a combo fireworks/firefighters attraction - without modern fire engines.  In many small towns, the volunteer firefighters are the ones who light the fireworks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 31, 2013, 07:58:20 PM
I did think SDC acknowledged us in their comments when they mentioned they "put it out there in the world" and then listened to comments and suggestions.  It does sound as if they are doing more than taking objective data, but that they actually mold the comments of their followers into the final product.

Listen to this, SDC researchers:  I want a combo fireworks/firefighters attraction - without modern fire engines.  In many small towns, the volunteer firefighters are the ones who light the fireworks.

This is more representative of most Missouri towns these days 8)
(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/2/2a/Beavis-fire.gif)


If by "most Missouri towns" you meant "NWA" then yes, I agree with you

More like Nevada and Lamar


Court secretary, please notate in the minutes that "most" now refers to "two"
Good lawrd I love me sum Arkysaw edumikatshun

Examples, I don't have all day
Please!  Stop the madness!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on August 31, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
We're gonna have to sponsor a sdcfans.com wrestling match with you two!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: qwed94 on August 31, 2013, 11:34:58 PM
Well I could add that in several cities and smaller towns in Mo. Firefighters are the ones who set the fireworks off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on September 01, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
Sometimes it's best to walk away.  Enough is enough.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on September 01, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
So.......................moving right along................

Since the '14 project looks like it is likely to be OR maintenance, and this discussion (or what WAS the discussion) is really about the '15 project, what else needs to be done, in regards to maintenance and upgrades for '14?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2013, 01:58:18 PM
There will be some changes around the park to get things ready for 2015.  The biggest changes that I know about are the moving of a food stand to another location.  There will be the start of some rethemeing and retooling near the entrance to GG.  There is some other little pluses that might go unnoticed at first that will happen at the park... and if there is time (and money) some of the older attractions might get some love.   We knew at the start that the park would ride out OR for another season -- but 2015 is going to be huge. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Junior on September 01, 2013, 04:30:53 PM
Thanks Swoosh! Looking forward to the things to come in '14 and '15.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: BackInTime on October 07, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
The crickets are deafening over here. ??? Any new rumblings around '14 or '15 development(s) at all?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 07, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
I did a walk around GG, looked in the trees where WB used to be.. no sign of anything yet?

Maybe after nov. and OTC starts.. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on October 07, 2013, 11:49:05 PM
Makes me wonder if the developments, or renovations will finally include the Waterboggan structure. Perhaps, it simply cost more money to tear it down, than to simply keep it there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 08, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Unless something has changed, the WB tower is staying. I would imagine it would get incorporated into the rollercoaster design much like a couple of the towers are being used on Firecracker Express at DW from the rope course
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 08, 2013, 06:19:12 PM
Unless something has changed, the WB tower is staying. I would imagine it would get incorporated into the rollercoaster design much like a couple of the towers are being used on Firecracker Express at DW from the rope course

Honest question here, it seems like the GG area  is getting redone period, would a modest priced coaster be part of that ride package that was pitched with the shot tower and flats or would the coaster follow in fairly fast fashion?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 08, 2013, 08:51:18 PM
Keep in mind that concepts are just that... concepts
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 09, 2013, 04:14:10 PM
A can sure see a Bottlerocket Express fitting in the area of the old waterboggin.

Dolly's new ride

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAuBQhiZXo

Interesting that fireworks and Fire Dept is themed together, that's two of concepts of the recent survey. So, I think they are going to go with the Rube Dugan's Flight theme as to not be copycat-ish. And since we have a launch coaster, let us get a drop track element. A two story load area, You go to the second floor  in reverse, come to a sudden stop in a dark area and when the train on the first floor leaves the que, then you drop down and and go through a brief bunny hill or something and enter the load/unload area. Give SDC back it's missing backwards cars on Thunderation and gives it something still fairly unique with the only other drop track in the states being at Williamsburg.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on October 09, 2013, 06:28:54 PM
Didn't I suggest the combination fireworks/firefighter theme?  It appears someone read my post and slapped together an animation and a new ride announcement.  I am impressed they were able to do so in such a short time.  ;)

The ride looks much bigger than anything planned for the GG area, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on October 09, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
I am not all that excited about the new coaster at Dollywood.  It is not geared toward me but it looks like a small step up from the coaster in the G. E.  Defiantly inferior to Thunderation.  The backwards gimmick doesn't do much for me.  I have been on that kind of thing at Disney and its neat the first time but wears off quick.  I would think that Dollywood would really benefit from a good Mine train coaster.  I look forward to SDC pulling something more out of there hat that this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 10, 2013, 12:30:45 AM
DW's new coaster looks amazing. I really like the integration of solid coaster design with interesting and immersive thematics. I think it shows a solid effort to deliver a good all-around experience, which is really what I'm always looking for from HFEC. As long as they think outside the box and go beyond plopping down cookie-cutter rides I'll be at least mostly happy.

As far as SDC goes for 2014-2015, I thought I had read that the park came out and basically confirmed that this will be a maintenance year with a new festival, and in 2015 they'll move forward with the GG refurb. I think the GG refurb will be fairly similar to what we've seen in the concepts. The theme won't be exactly the same as what we've seen, but the general idea of adding a few family-sized rides and expanding the area is going to pull through. They very well could use the same firefighter/fireworks theme from DW.

I don't think we'll see a family coaster yet though, but with the probable success for Firechaser I'm sure we'll get something similar soon. It seems like it makes more sense to hold off and let it be it's own banner attraction for a season, otherwise they wouldn't get as much bang-for-their-buck from the other new attractions.

Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: BackInTime on October 10, 2013, 02:40:06 PM
The new DW coaster featured in the animation doesn't look insanely thrilling, but it does look like a very fun and suitable offering most of the family could enjoy together. That, and the fact that it looks to be rather gratuitous with respect to ride duration, are qualities no current SDC coaster comes close to offering. In my humble opinion, something equal to or better than this would be a very welcome addition to our park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: DianaGail on October 10, 2013, 04:48:18 PM
It might not thrill most of you but I like the looks of that coaster.  I could ride it with my kids and not end up bent over a trashcan after the ride.  Lol!  I can't even handle that straight drop on thunderation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: BackInTime on November 11, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
Getting to be that time of year when HFEC and SCD begin sharing preliminary information about what to anticipate in the coming season. Anyone heard if any 2014 (or beyond) announcements are anticipated this month?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 11, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
have not heard anything official yet.. was hoping hints/clues/info in the time....... NOPE!!  that didn't happen..... And nothing yet on the website about "big announcement"////....   we'll see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 11, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
I haven't been keeping very good track lately, but have we not already essentially been told that the only major new thing next year is the new summer festival and whatever shows they add in? It is an "off" year for major attractions since they just opened a major new coaster. The concepts that were passed around earlier were a proposal for 2015.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 28, 2013, 05:52:32 PM
found this today: nice little article about next year's events....

http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_e729c3b8-56cd-11e3-9593-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: History Buff on November 28, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
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“Anyone born in (1976) or that was married, and is still married to that same spouse, in 1976, will get a free season pass for 2014.”

 :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Project
Post by: Coaster on November 29, 2013, 12:14:41 AM
I really like the sound of the Star Spangled Summer, if they do it right. I'll be interested to hear more of the details as they come out.
Title: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on February 28, 2014, 03:18:46 PM
Well besides the closing of the Bittersweet Gallery what other changes do we know as about? 

I know you can now get a trailblazer pass that is unlimited rides.  I was hoping they would never do this. 
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on February 28, 2014, 03:20:29 PM
Also in your first trip to the park you might have to look for the kettle corn stand.  It might just have up and moved on us. 
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: biscuitcreek on February 28, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
I can handle kettle corn moving but I wouldn't be happy if it closed!
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on February 28, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
Also in your first trip to the park you might have to look for the kettle corn stand.  It might just have up and moved on us. 

Last I heard was that it was being moved up next to Frisco and becoming a new stand there much like the Tader Twirls.  BUT, that was back in December when that was being talked about.  I guess we'll see
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on February 28, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
It has been moved there and has flavors much like the other stand that Swoosh has mentioned.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 01, 2014, 10:44:30 AM
Kettlecorn needed to be moved to a more central location, IMHO....  that or add another location...  a move would be a welcome site.....
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: History Buff on March 01, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
I liked their old location at the other end of the City much better.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: joshblakebran on March 01, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
Well besides the closing of the Bittersweet Gallery what other changes do we know as about? 

I know you can now get a trailblazer pass that is unlimited rides.  I was hoping they would never do this. 
So, how much is this going to cost and what effect will it have on those of us who are old fashion and wait in line for their turn?
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: mhguy77 on March 01, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
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and what effect will it have on those of us who are old fashion and wait in line for their turn?

All guests are no longer equal, you will wait longer.  The more money you have in your pocket the more privileged you are.  At least Disney includes the fast pass privileges with admission.  It is a cheap money grab from the PTB.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: History Buff on March 01, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
Thankfully, most of us are still too poor to afford it.  Plus, for us reg'lars, if a line is too long, we just wait until our next visit.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 01, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
unlimited trailblazer----62.50


http://www.silverdollarcity.com/tickets/Ticket-Add-Ons/Trailblazer-Super-Pass.aspx
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: mhguy77 on March 01, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
2014 One-Day General Admission Rates for Silver Dollar City 
ADULT (ages 12 - 61) $63.41
CHILD (ages 4 - 11) $52.66
Children 3 & Under are Free




Plus 62.50 to get on the rides right away.  And the fact is these are not probably purchased singly but in cpls or family numbers.  That's a lot of money to get into SDC And get on the rides, $125 basically without the tax added from the trailblazer.   They need to throw in a refillable mug with that and also a piece of pizza or funnel cake per person.  Maybe a tater twister.  I know Disney is now $99 per adult before tax.  Its almost out of reach.  Its getting to where a family cant afford this.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 01, 2014, 08:51:01 PM
Magic Kingdom is now $99.  Also FastPass+ is the newest version of the "cut system" -- while it is "free" to most people.  Those staying onsite have a few more "benefits" with the system proving that even the "best of systems" can be "bought"
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: qwed94 on March 02, 2014, 12:39:59 AM
Yea I heard about Disney charging $99 also. (Didnt know about their fastpass deal). I think what is really ridiculous though is, Disney wants $93 for child admission.  IMO that is way too much for child admission.

Not that I would likely buy a trailblazer pass at SDC. How does it work at SDC?  At SFSL those passes you must "make an appointment" to ride the ride. The appointment will be the same timeframe as if you were actually standing in line. (Basically) picture it as if you went to the end of the line-placed your little pass there-and it waits in the line in your place. then you can ride the ride after your pass gets to the front.

Does the SDC version work basically the same way?   Just wondering, thats all.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 02, 2014, 01:29:56 AM
The SDC and Cedar Fair version is basically immediate gratification.  You go in a seperate queue entrance and right to the front of the line.  No "virtual queue" - immediate boarding.  With Cedar Fair it is unlimited.  With SDC, the top tier is unlimited.

FWIW, Universal has the two tiers as well with immediate gratification.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: misskim on March 02, 2014, 06:46:45 AM
I loved Universal's system, probably because we stayed on site so we had unlimited line bypass and didn't wait more than 5 minutes for a ride the whole time we were there. The longest waits were in Wizarding World for Olivander's "show."

Not a fan of the new Disney system and don't know if we'll be going back due to it. I loved the old Fastpass and am not excited about the changes.

Also not excited about the new Trail Blazer, however if we go to SDC, we buy season passes and we can do as someone here pointed out... line too long? leave and come back tomorrow. We're always at the park at opening, knock out the big rides in the first hour and then relax and do smaller rides and shows. Trail Blazer doesn't usually bother us.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: runner1960 on March 02, 2014, 08:21:08 AM
Magic Kingdom is now $99.  Also FastPass+ is the newest version of the "cut system" -- while it is "free" to most people.  Those staying onsite have a few more "benefits" with the system proving that even the "best of systems" can be "bought"

I really liked the old fastpass system, but have yet to try the new plus. Seems to me it rewards you for staying on site being able to reserve your times ahead of the general public. Still better than paying extra though.

As for Disney's 1 day admission price. I just wonder how many people actually pay that ? As you move up in days 4-5-6 day passes the price per day drops dramatically. Last time we went 2 years ago you could actually buy a 6 day pass for less than a 5 day at some official ticket outlets. Not to be confused with the used ticket resellers who set up shop.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: runner1960 on March 02, 2014, 08:23:38 AM
Also, to add to my post above. I have never been to SDC when I felt it was necessary to pay extra for front of the line access. Maybe in the busy summer, but we usually avoid this time of year.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 02, 2014, 12:53:41 PM
trailblazer pass doesn't bother us either way....  busy? we can come back later in the day, OR next trip.. I am lucky enough I make multiple trips... :).

Sometimes I do consider the show lovers pass,  But 10 bucks is quite a hit just for front row seating..... ::)
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: qwed94 on March 02, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
I cant believe the only one to really answer my question was Swoosh.  Thank You very much Mr Swoosh. I appreciate that.

I never really looked into either the ride or show pass. I just assumed that it was the "virtual wait" like SFSL. It does sound like a much better deal now after learning more about it. Now if the price was more in my range-I might would consider it.
---Kathy would never get on a ride (besides the train). So I have made many many trips to SDC and never rode a ride. (I just cant let her wait all that time for me to ride). We really like the shows, so we generally go to SDC for the shows. But WOW!! Isnt OR a great ride?

(Again thank you Swoosh--and I apologize for anything that may have happened in our past)
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: chittlins on March 02, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
I loved Universal's system, probably because we stayed on site so we had unlimited line bypass and didn't wait more than 5 minutes for a ride the whole time we were there. The longest waits were in Wizarding World for Olivander's "show."

Not a fan of the new Disney system and don't know if we'll be going back due to it. I loved the old Fastpass and am not excited about the changes.

Also not excited about the new Trail Blazer, however if we go to SDC, we buy season passes and we can do as someone here pointed out... line too long? leave and come back tomorrow. We're always at the park at opening, knock out the big rides in the first hour and then relax and do smaller rides and shows. Trail Blazer doesn't usually bother us.

Yep, as with Disney, you stay on site and you get perks for those room prices. It's kind of a shame that Busch Gardens is in Tampa, if it was Sea World's neighbor they could do the whole resort thing as well.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 06, 2014, 06:13:07 PM
I saw this today on Steve Thompson FB page today..  bittersweet gallery....

""""""Dear Friends,
 After much prayer and searching for God’s direction, Jack and I have made the difficult decision to close our Bittersweet Gallery that was inside Silver Dollar City. We have made so many wonderful friends and experienced so many “divine appointments” that we know it will be a chapter in our lives that is missed greatly. There have been many confirmations that we are making the right decision. But, there are a couple of reasons why we would even consider such a move at this time. One, I am facing hip surgery on March 31. I guess I have always moved at too fast a pace and just wore that thing out! The second reason is that caring for my 88 year old father is taking more and more attention. Since he lives next door to us and right by our workplace, I need to be free to care for him as much as possible.

 As Jack and I prayed, we have asked God to show us the direction for how to use these gifts that He has given us. We would ask that you would join us in that prayer. We will continue with this ministry and are excited to unveil Jack’s latest painting, CELEBRATE FREEDOM, very soon. We plan to open a small retail outlet at our office/warehouse in Webb City. Watch for sale dates and specials!!

 You can contact us at 417-673-4871 or info@bittersweetgallery.com. We would love to hear from you.

Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 07, 2014, 08:45:35 AM
Just can't wait to try the new funnel cake a week from today. Outlaw Run. Cholocate, Carmel & peanut butter, with sea salt.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Joy on March 07, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Just can't wait to try the new funnel cake a week from today. Outlaw Run. Cholocate, Carmel & peanut butter, with sea salt.

OMG that sounds so amazing!
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 07, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
Couldn't get a pic to post here so I put it on the Sdc Facebook page.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: History Buff on March 07, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
Just can't wait to try the new funnel cake a week from today. Outlaw Run. Cholocate, Carmel & peanut butter, with sea salt.

Are they calling it a Cow Patty?  That's what the description sounds like.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 07, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
No.  Outlaw Run
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 07, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
may have to try that.... sounds "interesting".......................
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 07, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
New new new.....

Celebrate America Shop
Open March 14 - December 30    Location: Main Street    Type: Apparel and Accessories 


Find everything you need to show your patriotic pride at the NEW Celebrate America Shop! In addition to t-souvenirs featuring Silver Dollar City's Celebrate America logo, this shop carries a wide range of apparel, home decor, gifts and jewelry honoring the US of A. You'll also find military apparel and gifts as well as historical documents, replicas, books and a selection of Made In The USA products.

Plus, NEW Tastes of Celebrate America products feature our country's most iconic flavors! Try them all including: Lemonade Taffy, Cherry Pie Fudge, Honey Pecan Apple Butter and Ott's Ozark Mountain Apple Barbecue Sauce.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 07, 2014, 09:02:20 PM
I am amazed at the amount of upgrades going on around the park.  The new Kettle Corn booth looks amazing.  I am not overly thrilled at a few of the other additions (there are a few more carnival games being added that were brought over from CC, which I think are completely out of theme) but I guess I will live with them.  Some HUGE changes will happen after the summer rush if you know where to look... in fact some of the early prep work has begun already.  Part of an old friend has been removed for good.  Lots of new roofs too.  Make sure you keep your eyes open when walking around Opening Weekend.  There are A LOT of changes.

Details on 2015 should start appearing early in the summer, FYI
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Junior on March 07, 2014, 09:22:49 PM
Swoosh, have you taken a pre opening tour on park, or have you been talking to insiders. If allowed, please post some pictures. Thanks!
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 08, 2014, 04:47:09 AM
Sorry, you'll have to wait until the park opens. 
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 12, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
Ready for some "sign language"?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1902798_10201707073104735_239212294_n.jpg)

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/l/t1/1901199_10201706048599123_1112997199_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Joy on March 12, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
I'm... not sure what I think about the kettle corn sign... Kinda gives me vibes of Roller Coaster Tycoon where the food stands are all in the shapes of whatever food they sell (a giant popcorn bag, hamburger, etc).... *shrugs* I dunno. I'll have to see it in person before I can make a full judgment.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 13, 2014, 08:02:36 AM
Cowboy Jeps has moved to the old Greatest Gift shop.  GG moved to old Love My Country.  And where CJ was next to General Store is the Celebrate American shop.   Bishops water color is moving to the old Bitter Sweet gallery. 
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 13, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
Cowboy Jeps has moved to the old Greatest Gift shop.  GG moved to old Love My Country.  And where CJ was next to General Store is the Celebrate American shop.   Bishops water color is moving to the old Bitter Sweet gallery. 

I didn't realize this was to be made public yet.  I guess better you then me to spill the beans early.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: chittlins on March 13, 2014, 08:07:52 PM
Cowboy Jeps has moved to the old Greatest Gift shop.  GG moved to old Love My Country.  And where CJ was next to General Store is the Celebrate American shop.   Bishops water color is moving to the old Bitter Sweet gallery. 

I didn't realize this was to be made public yet.  I guess better you then me to spill the beans early.

I don't understand the need for the hush hush for shop shuffling.

That's about like "hey, we planted two new maples for shade, but don't tell anyone."
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 13, 2014, 08:49:16 PM
Take it up with the PTB. We don't make the rules, we just have to follow them.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 13, 2014, 09:58:40 PM
I also am not really happy they have put in more paid games this year.  I will have to see them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Gilligan on March 13, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
The kettle corn sign doesn't look like it fits in.  There isn't enough "rustic" to it. 
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Swoosh on March 13, 2014, 11:09:09 PM
^You have to see it in full context to appreciate it.

^^Some are just temporary.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Preachin_Bill on March 14, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
The kettle corn sign doesn't look like it fits in.  There isn't enough "rustic" to it. 

Exactly.  This looks like something that belongs at a six flags or some theme park that relies less on themes and more on just rides.  Too...carnival like.
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: sanddunerider on March 14, 2014, 10:23:38 AM
I will wait unitl I see the new building to decide......
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: marolinesdad on March 14, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
Love the new building.  Looks great.
Title: move
Post by: Willzillaross on March 14, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
I just posted some early morning shots of the park activity. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/120383076@N06/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 14, 2014, 02:45:49 PM
I just posted some early morning shots of the park activity. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/120383076@N06/

Thanks, and Welcome
Title: Re: Park changes for 2014
Post by: Gilligan on March 14, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
I will wait unitl I see the new building to decide......


Me too!  As Swoosh stated above, it has to be seen in context. I'll go with that for now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on March 14, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
Hmmmm, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 14, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
Normally I try to avoid nit-picking the newer thematic developments in the park. I'm normally happy if they at least keep putting some effort into the park's atmosphere and character.

That new carnival game is just tacky. It's the kind of thing that's hard to wrap your head around when you think about their operations from a business perspective. How much value did they take away from the park experience for the little bit of pocket change that game will make? If they keep making additions like this, it'll be hard to keep convincing people that SDC is the kind of place that can reasonably demand the kind of ticket prices they do... I think this kind of thing is more damaging to the park than the PTB think, at least its tucked away for now. What went in by TGS?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on March 14, 2014, 10:17:16 PM
An eyesore!  Not that I wish ill for SDC, but I hope it fails as a generator of profit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Swoosh on March 14, 2014, 11:11:28 PM
It's temporary (the Hi-Striker).  That's all I am going to say about it for now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: chittlins on March 15, 2014, 07:54:31 AM
Not much longer and we'll have quarter pushers and prizes like mirrors with a weed leaf or a black Sabbath album cover screen printed on them along with blacklight tapestries.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: mhguy77 on March 15, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
Quote
An eyesore!  Not that I wish ill for SDC, but I hope it fails as a generator of profit.

This is a scar on the spirit of SDC.  Sometimes making a few bucks but leaving a cheap and bad impression is just not a good business idea. Definitely not something that I would classify as a memory worth repeating........regardless of how short a time this is set up.
 SDC, own up to a bad idea and get it out of there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Willzillaross on March 15, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
An eyesore!  Not that I wish ill for SDC, but I hope it fails as a generator of profit.

Since we're all talking about the Hi-Striker, I posted my other picture of it on Frickr. Also, it looks like SDC updated the waterwheel at the mill house (Photo also included).

Cheers.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/120383076@N06/
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: ThemeParkFan on March 16, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Where is the hi-striker?  I'm having a hard time telling where it is from the picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Swoosh on March 16, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
Basically around the same area that old Kettle Corn stand was located
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sawblade5 on March 16, 2014, 10:09:51 PM
Has anyone got any pictures of the new Outlaw Run train lap bars and seat belts yet? I heard from a park goer posting on the official SDC Facebook pagr about it but no pic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Ozarks Gal on March 17, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
So since they had a space left from the old kettle corn location they decided to put a game there? ??? SDC, I love you, but please no. :(

The new waterwheel looks nice. IIRC the old one was in pretty bad shape.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on March 17, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
The waterwheel was actually re-done last year. I remember taking note of it in late November.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sdcfan60 on March 17, 2014, 05:35:22 PM
Does anyone know if they are refilling the buckets for the kettle corn? They sold them a few years ago,and you could get refills for 2 dollars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Gilligan on March 18, 2014, 08:53:01 AM
Why do you think SDC is going with the Americana theme this year?  I don't remember a year long theme happening in the past, other than to mark their anniversary.  Do you think it's to promote something big coming in the future? I just wonder what the thinking is behind the plan.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: runner1960 on March 18, 2014, 12:09:28 PM
Why do you think SDC is going with the Americana theme this year?  I don't remember a year long theme happening in the past, other than to mark their anniversary.  Do you think it's to promote something big coming in the future? I just wonder what the thinking is behind the plan.

It has been discussed before on here, but a lot of people are just not getting the tie in to the Bicentennial of 1976. Not sure where they are going with it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on March 20, 2014, 08:07:51 PM
Has anyone got any pictures of the new Outlaw Run train lap bars and seat belts yet? I heard from a park goer posting on the official SDC Facebook pagr about it but no pic.

Got some pics.  I'll try to get 'em up here soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 20, 2014, 08:13:55 PM
Normally I try to avoid nit-picking the newer thematic developments in the park. I'm normally happy if they at least keep putting some effort into the park's atmosphere and character.

That new carnival game is just tacky. It's the kind of thing that's hard to wrap your head around when you think about their operations from a business perspective. How much value did they take away from the park experience for the little bit of pocket change that game will make? If they keep making additions like this, it'll be hard to keep convincing people that SDC is the kind of place that can reasonably demand the kind of ticket prices they do... I think this kind of thing is more damaging to the park than the PTB think, at least its tucked away for now. What went in by TGS?

I only noticed, besides that awful Hi-Striker thing (which was still not operating), one other carnival game.  It was between the existing game and TGS, tucked in on the same hillside as the existing game - across from the Lost River.  It was not any more of a distraction than the other one, but I still hate to see things going in that direction.  BTW, I only saw one kid play ANY of the games all day - the rest of the time, those employees stood idle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sawblade5 on March 21, 2014, 07:58:23 PM
I have got lost on this topic on 2 acronyms. They are PTB and TGS. It's making it hard to read the topic when I don't know what those are. Please tell me what these 2 are so I can understand certain posts here. Pretty Please!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on March 21, 2014, 08:15:41 PM
Powers That Be

The Giant Swing
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on March 22, 2014, 05:35:57 PM
The new restraint bars look like a saddle to me.  It actually enhances the look of Outlaw Run vehicles.  Several people were upset, last week, when they were asked to bypass the ride because they were too large.  Fortunately, this only pertains to the largest of the riders.  Loading took quite a while, as reported, due to the complexity of the restraints and the cautious ride operators.  They checked a number of times, and I had to lift my jacket to ensure the lap bar was in full contact with my thighs.  Pictures are below.

I noticed the back of the vehicle was open on each of the ones that were operating, revealing the inner workings and the bottoms and backs of the rear seats.  It seemed incomplete and was screaming for a back cover panel.  Is there normally a cover back there?  If so, why were they running without it?

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9191714_orig.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/1444515_orig.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/2273725_orig.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/3248335_orig.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: chittlins on March 24, 2014, 07:44:25 AM
(http://behindthethrills.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_3028_wm.jpg)
this is last years shin bars. If you take a straight line from the center of the round mounts from side to side, it looks like there just a little more room besides the contoured form.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on March 24, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
agreed.  looking at the pics..  (good pics), appears there is less curvature on the upright arms holding the cross bars...

should make a big difference for bigger people getting in..
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: okiebluegrass on March 24, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
So they took my advice and added a seatbelt  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on April 04, 2014, 06:35:34 PM
Did anyone already point out the new saloon show? I wasn't paying attention, but here it is for the rest of us: http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/attractions/shows-entertainment/The-Return-of-Carrie-Nation.aspx

Sounds like a good one. I know they've been changing up the saloon show over the past few years, but it felt like they were running out of ideas with the old format, so hopefully this will re-energize things.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on April 04, 2014, 07:56:53 PM
Havent seen it yet, when we there for YCW, they were have some kind of "sunday meeting" there...... ;D...

hopefull see it in 3 weeks, supposed to be there on the 27th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on June 06, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
Hi-Striker has been moved to its new pad in GE.  It's still out of place, but clearly less so.  It seems hidden more in the trees, but was still not open.  Here's the old location without the ugly thing (I failed to take a picture of the new installation.):

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/7564325.jpg)

Then there is this.  I've passed this area a few times, but this was the first visit I saw the new water fountain across from the potatoes and kettle corn at the barn:

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/922154.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on June 06, 2014, 11:01:00 AM
I didn't notice that water fountain. Looks good, but probably needs more indication that it's actually a drinking fountain and not just a piece of theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Ozarks Gal on June 06, 2014, 02:01:39 PM
Then there is this.  I've passed this area a few times, but this was the first visit I saw the new water fountain across from the potatoes and kettle corn at the barn:

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/922154.jpg)
We were there a week ago, and I remember seeing the sign and pipe, but the barrel wasn't there (as far as I can remember).
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on June 06, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
wow I missed that too..  looks good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: tinmann620 on June 06, 2014, 05:28:07 PM
This is put out each year, after the threat of freezing temps are gone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: CrazyScarecrow on July 28, 2014, 01:27:23 AM
Some changes I spotted in the park that aren't yet listed.

The Ghost Trap down the by the Huck Finn Treehouse seems to have a better motion sensor! It worked everytime me, my cousin, and my sister walked pass it. Usually it take 10 minutes of us jumping around it looking like idiots for it to go.

Not sure how long this has been though the head in whirlpool in American Plunge is gone. Don't know if that is something changed or if it has been like that for a while.

In Fire in the Hole, the cowboy guy in the beginning of the ride with cow has been taken out. Along with other change in Fire in the Hole is a Baldknobber standing right where the train hill is. I was thrilled to see another Baldknobber!

I know this isn't new to this year, but new by the end of last year, but the changes of characters in the Flooded Mine. Some of the original ones are left though it looks like a lot were replaced by these nice shiny looking ones. They scare me.

In Grandpa's Mansion it looks like we got a new looking Grandpa sitting up in the window above the interest. It looks like Grandma is taking shower without any problems and her head is also removed from the mirror for a stupid multiple light thing. I want Grandma's head back in the mirror. I feel like some charm went out of that mirror. Also a new gag in basement has you look through a whole to end up looking at your eye.

Something else, but one time I went through there a worker was sitting by the music box up front. Not sure if this is something new (having worker's sit up front on occasions) or something the worker was doing to scare people (it worked on my cousin) during a break, but I thought I would share that. I found it funny.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 28, 2014, 08:42:33 AM

Regarding Grandfather's Mansion...Im confused what you are saying about the face in the mirror. Does it no longer work? The Face is gone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: CrazyScarecrow on July 28, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
The face is gone. They have taken the face out and replaced it with a line of lights. It has to be the stupidest, cheapest replacement ever.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on July 28, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
I had heard that, but I completely forgot to check on it last time I was there.

Just another in a long list of stupid changes done to make the park more politically correct. Notice almost all references to hill billy's are gone as well, unless its in reference to a TV show... I'm actually very surprised they haven't gotten rid of the baldknobbers already, but maybe we shouldn't give them ideas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 28, 2014, 11:51:31 AM
WHAT??!!!

Dang, that really is stupid. I will make a point to go look at that next time I am at the park. I don't understand why the face would be removed. How could that be taken the wrong way? "hey, im old, that face is of an old person..how rude"  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Citydweller84 on July 28, 2014, 12:13:18 PM
Its just a big sign about how far the great AP has fallen. I remember coming to SDC a couple times a year with my family when I was younger and AP was always my favorite water ride. But now that they've taken away pretty much all of the theme from it, its lost a lot of its luster. I hate that the tunnel is all boarded up and nothing more than darkness. I really wish they'd revamp it a little bit and bring back some of the theme elements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Gilligan on July 28, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
Its just a big sign about how far the great AP has fallen. I remember coming to SDC a couple times a year with my family when I was younger and AP was always my favorite water ride. But now that they've taken away pretty much all of the theme from it, its lost a lot of its luster. I hate that the tunnel is all boarded up and nothing more than darkness. I really wish they'd revamp it a little bit and bring back some of the theme elements.

Yup!  The flume was fun, but we always rode it just for the theming.  I don't really care to ride it anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 28, 2014, 02:16:44 PM
very frustrating.  Makes me do this  ??? regarding their rationale.  Apathy is a very bad thing, and that is what we are seeing with AP and theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: cowboy on July 28, 2014, 03:54:28 PM
The face is gone. They have taken the face out and replaced it with a line of lights. It has to be the stupidest, cheapest replacement ever.

When I was there last week, the mirror didn't even work at all. I felt pretty dumb when I told people to look in the mirror.....they did and nothing happened  >:(

AP, is a good flume, if that's all you are expecting (but the earlier versions of this ride have spoiled us). The tunnel now has lanterns in it, so it's not completely dark, but it just has vertical walls so no place for any theme elements at all. If they were going to do anything like they used to have, they would have to completely tear down and start over. Besides the tunnel, the whirlpool is in a sad state of repair and none of the other props are there anymore. This ride could really use some attention. The splash down is still great and gets you good and wet...something that's pretty rare on any other flume I've ridden.

I've said it several times on here, but if SDC would just rehab the AP, Flooded Mine, Fire In the Hole and the tunnel on Lost River, they would really have an incredible solid line up of rides. Maybe they could do this in 2016 after Fireman's Landing in 2015 and before the next big rollercoaster.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Junior, too! on July 28, 2014, 04:22:07 PM
Changes at Grandfathers Mansion? Back in my day there was a 2 way mirror down in the playroom. I would get in the hidden spot behind the wall and shine a flashlight on my face. It was hilarious watching people jump out of their skin and scream! I cleared the crowded room more than once when I unlatched the hidden door and stepped through it! The PTB could have put an adult diaper concession at the exit and made a fortune! Those were the days, my friends... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: HeyWheatBread on July 29, 2014, 11:38:12 PM
 ;D YAY! I'm glad to see that the Ghost Trap is working better now!  The last couple of times my wife and I have brought some friends to the park, I'd always make it a point to swing by there and hype it up as one of my favorite little pieces of the City.  But it didn't work either time.  :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Injun Joe on August 03, 2014, 02:08:05 PM
So long as HFE leaves what is right, right...

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_american-plunge-fPRh.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/IJSDC1/media/american-plunge-fPRh.jpg.html)

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_american-plunge-eWAJ.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/IJSDC1/media/american-plunge-eWAJ.jpg.html)

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/th_dscn4182_197.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/IJSDC1/media/dscn4182_197.jpg.html)

they can restore those previously mentioned wrongs (i.e.  drowning scene, inside big tunnel, falling outhouse), make sure the scary false water soaking is in good order, add whatever goodness they'd like, and I'd be a happy camper.

photos culled from Google images w/apologies to the respective owners,  I unfortunately have none of my own at this time available to me
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on September 07, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
So what's the deal with the little structures popping up near major attractions? See the last photo on Swoosh's latest set here: http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/09.06/

The first thing that jumps to my mind is lockers. At most Six Flags properties, they don't allow you to carry items into the stations and keep them in cubbies while riding. Instead they force you to pay $1 for a locker, for EVERY ride. Those parks say it really speeds up the efficiency of the rides, and I'm sure it does, but there's a debate to be had over efficiency vs. customer service here, especially if they gouge on the locker prices. If they really cared about guest "efficiency" they would have made them free or very cheap, and locate them centrally so each guest group could use one all day.

Who knows though, there's fairly high likelyhood that these structures aren't for lockers. Could be hand sanitizer stations, or any number of things. The park likes to have little corporate tie-ins with various products.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on September 07, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
Well, here's hoping they aren't sticking a bunch of vending machines everywhere!  They look to be about the right size for that, though ( :-[ )That doesn't appear to fit a locker system, but maybe it is.  Do any of the other HFE facilities have anything like these yet? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on September 07, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
vending machines would take power/electricity, I don't see outlets in pictures...

I will be at the city next sunday, will take more pics and look around,,

(I wondered if they were something to do with fall festival?).  another week will tell..
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on September 07, 2014, 10:00:45 PM
They look smaller than the usual Fall booths for crafts, but hopefully that's what they turn out to be.

Vending does seems like a likely option. Unfortunate that they seem to be so prominent if that is the case, definitely would be a another big step away from the Miss Mary ideals.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Swoosh on September 07, 2014, 11:41:29 PM
I'll have photos of the finished product next weekend in my weekly update.
Yes, I already know what they are for but since it is not common knowledge yet I have to sit on that info for now.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on September 08, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
After looking at picture of "building" and structure around it, I am pretty sure it will NOT be a fall festival booth....

I am going with Locker system of some kind..  the building isn't very big, so couldn't hold very many units,  BUT if they are scattered out all over the park....  maybe.......................... ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Hollwood on September 08, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
My guess is information... An LED type board that tells you ride wait times and operation status of things around park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on September 08, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
Penalty booths for people who annoy History Buff with their stinkin' basketballs!!!
:o
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: U Smell Smoke on September 08, 2014, 05:52:07 PM
Just being funny here...they are going to house SDC's version of fast pass kiosks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on September 15, 2014, 07:41:53 AM
YEP!!   NEW locker system,  saw them this weekend..

will post pics later..

3.00 per day, there are 9 "stations" park wide....  you pay your 3 buck, get a "psss code" then code is good all day at ALL locations... sounds like a pretty fair deal to me.., you can swtich lockers all over the park all day long.....

Lets see..locations.
main gate,
Hopitality house,
HH, near restrooms
TNT
OR
AP
Giant Swing
PK
Lost River
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Injun Joe on September 15, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Sounds good!
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Ozarks Gal on September 15, 2014, 12:50:08 PM
That doesn't sound too bad.  At the moment we're at a point where we personally don't need the lockers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: runner1960 on September 15, 2014, 03:12:15 PM
Good idea at a reasonable cost. Now will they do away with the cubbyholes at the individual rides? It sure would speed up throughput.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: sanddunerider on September 15, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
could not get pics to download..  check this link..??

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10203879779826405.1073741882.1578260143&type=3
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: BobKrause on September 15, 2014, 09:26:30 PM
could not get pics to download..  check this link..??

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10203879779826405.1073741882.1578260143&type=3

Unfortunately, I get "This content is currently unavailable The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page." You might need to change the permissions on that photo page to Public so people other than your FB friends can see it.

Bob
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on September 15, 2014, 11:10:07 PM
Meh, that's the thing though. For a season or two they'll be an optional convenience, but then just like SF they'll probably slip away the station cubbies in the name of "efficiency" so it just turns into essentially another $3 hidden fee. Once a system like this is in place, it opens the door for someone at corporate to come along and ask how they can squeeze even more cash out of it. The price will probably tick upward at that point too...

Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I'm constantly seeing nickle and diming in this industry and I always have held SDC as a shining example of a park that rises above those practices. Hopefully I'm just blowing smoke on this though.

Did the park not already have 25-cent lockers at the hospitality house?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Swoosh on September 16, 2014, 05:59:57 AM
The lockers were 50c one time use.  Those have all been replaced (mainly due to needing to be replaced in the first place -- a lot of the lockers around the park were out of order and needed to be upgraded anyway)
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: History Buff on October 19, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
I know a lot of the Old Time Christmas festival is out of theme, but for some reason it still works.  It's romantic.  It's endearing.  It's enchanting.

I even see that Rudolph is actually in theme for the most part, but it looks like his parade will feature a Rudolph-costumed character riding in...a car?  That's blatantly outside of the theme of an 1880s park and is unnecessary.  Even in the Rankin-Bass TV special, they use older modes of transportation.  It would have been nice to have seen some of these ideas transferred to the festivities at SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: shavethewhales on October 19, 2014, 08:41:54 PM
Yup, that was simply lazy of them for anyone paying attention. It's not a huge deal, it's just one of those little things you notice that shows that corporate doesn't get the park's vision and is just lumping everything "old-timey" together for the "theme". The only reason things like this bother me is that later on when there are more blatant and annoying breaks in theme they can point to stuff like this and say "well, we've already got these other breaks in theme, so why worry about one more..."

It could be part of the Rudolph IP though. Maybe it shows up in one of the newer TV specials?
Title: Re: SDC's 2014 Projects and Changes
Post by: Clanouper on November 06, 2014, 07:52:18 AM
I agree with more kids rides. The twins are finally tall enough to rude pretty much anything, but Anna is only 18 months old.  The ladybugs bore her.  I'm not even sure a what the point of having that ride is. I see many 45 minute wait times for the frogs in the near future.