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Title: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 15, 2019, 08:23:56 PM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 16, 2019, 08:01:04 AM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 16, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A

I just thought it was weird having a "town" in the middle of a "city".  I'm not sure why Riverfront wasn't used; that rebranding probably could have been accomplished without a name change.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 16, 2019, 07:55:04 PM
How’s it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: It’s not)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 16, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
How’s it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: It’s not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 16, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
How’s it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: It’s not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.

Oh you’re definitely nitpicking, there’s no doubt about that. 
If it’ll help you sleep at night, just think of Rivertown being unincorporated and under the jurisdiction of the Silver Dollar City township or borough
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on August 17, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A

I'd go for an Oriental restaurant at SDC!  I took an online survey a couple of nights ago and when they asked about food I commented I'd like to see a fish house (non buffet) and bring back the Mountain High Cream Pies!

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 17, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
How’s it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: It’s not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.


Oh you’re definitely nitpicking, there’s no doubt about that. 
If it’ll help you sleep at night, just think of Rivertown being unincorporated and under the jurisdiction of the Silver Dollar City township or borough

I go where my talents lie.  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on August 23, 2019, 01:26:19 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on August 23, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.

Glad you got a chance to get out of town before school started..   hopefully weather was a little more friendly than it was here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on August 23, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.

That's pretty much how we felt about it as well.  It was a really neat ride, but really not that scary or intimidating.  We all thought the elevator was pretty neat, but if you've been on any of the rapids with a drop, they're not anywhere near as exciting or intense as you might think (like the ones on the Disney rapids rides).  I expect this to be about the same- it will be neat, fun, and something different, but I don't see it scaring people away.  It will be a much more fun and exciting draw to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 23, 2019, 08:09:59 PM
I've done River Quest and it's elevator and drop  at Phantasialand. My needle has not moved for this.

The area needed a quality flat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 23, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isn’t Six Flags. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 24, 2019, 03:25:29 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isn’t Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 24, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isn’t Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isn’t Six Flags. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on August 25, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isn’t Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isn’t Six Flags. 

Agree, do not ugly it up like a carnival.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 09:07:18 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isn’t Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isn’t Six Flags. 

Agree, do not ugly it up like a carnival.

Still needs more flats.

The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

First time we have ever skipped SPs two straight years. We aren't feeling it.  Maybe it is because we just did Efteling, Phantasialand, Disneyland Paris, Port Aventura , Tivoli Copenhagen and Europa Park.

Thinking about Six Flags or Cedar passes for some road trips but never sniffing KC or STL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

That’s too bad.  We’ll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 09:44:29 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

That’s too bad.  We’ll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 10:17:21 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

That’s too bad.  We’ll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO

To quote Taylor Swift “You need to calm down.  You’re being too loud”
Again, we’ll miss you. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

That’s too bad.  We’ll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO

To quote Taylor Swift “You need to calm down.  You’re being too loud”
Again, we’ll miss you.

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 11:09:13 PM
Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Thank you for the well wishes.  I’ll make sure to do that
Again, we’ll miss you and your thoughtful posts.  You truly are one of the great ones
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: getoffmytrain on August 26, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Words from the truly ignorant... I see why Six Flags is right up your ally! Poor costumer service, crappy food and no character or pride in their park would seem to fit your personality!  I'd prefer you go there anyway!

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 26, 2019, 09:35:49 AM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.
And what is wrong with these “band geeks?”
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 26, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Back to the topic, folks.  We can disagree about future plans and tastes, but this thread is only about 2020, and we don't need to get personal, and high school band students should not get caught in your crosshairs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 26, 2019, 01:18:37 PM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Words from the truly ignorant... I see why Six Flags is right up your ally! Poor costumer service, crappy food and no character or pride in their park would seem to fit your personality!  I'd prefer you go there anyway!

Coasters are up my alley, and I'll go anywhere.

Fact of the Matter is that between my family and wife's two sisters there were a combined 12 season passes bought each year for SDC. This year there was 4 amongst this group and next year is looking like none. We are local market and I know others (friends/co workers) feel the same as we do. Seems the daily attendance reports seem to bare this out, maybe the Pumpkin stuff will be a smash success I hope so. I still thin SDC is the best theme park between the Smokies and the Rockies but it's got a little tired for many.

The biggeat complaint abbout this ride amonst folks I have talked to about it isn't the drop, it's that it's just another raft ride. They don't really see it as new. That's a problem. That will be a problem for any redo of FITH or Flooded Mine or anything else. I have heard folks poo poo the weekend Christmas crowds for two years now around here and that is about the only tome they can go with work and all. SDC, hasn't grown the footprint to disperse the humanity or help with the traffic nightmare and parking issues when slammed.

It is what it is whether you played in a band or between the hashes.the park desperately needs some flats an I'll stick by that. Each big new ride shouldnhave an accompanying flat nearby that shares the theme and story. This was no different,  a bbq place is a bbq place and other than the drop it is still a raft ride that many just see as the same ol....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on August 26, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
Children! Don't make me get the hose! There's no need to bicker over such a silly topic.

I get what you are saying chittlins, but I don't think the park has a lot of options to work with. LR needed to be re-done one way or another. They could have cheaped out and merely replaced the trough and water system somehow, but that would have been pretty lame and still cost millions. I'm grateful that they put their weight behind this and tried to make it the best they possibly could.

I wouldn't mind a new flat either, but it would have been tough to shove into this location without sacrificing the neat atmosphere.

This $30 million addition comes on the heals of ~$60 million in spending the previous two years. Keep in mind how much infrastructure has been replaced and upgraded along with Time Traveler and this. The park is literally rebuilding itself piece by piece.

It's not uncommon for local market folks to get burned out after going to the park for years and years. Every once in awhile even I get tired of it. It's not for lack of effort on the parks side though. You can only expect them to do so much.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 26, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
^This. It could be worse and be like Worlds of Fun where they get little or nothing at all. The most being the rebuild and retrack of Timberwolf over the past few years as something they can market and hype. Their last coaster was Prowler added back in 2009. Without getting too far off topic I will say every time I ride Prowler it makes me miss OzCat, such a fantastic terrain woodie. WOF is a neat park with a lot of potential but Cedar Fair doesn't want to put any real money into it and I kinda wished HFEC would purchase it and give it some love. (and not do it like they did with CC)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 26, 2019, 10:00:48 PM
SDC is a cash cow for HFE even with the recent spending.....I assume.

There is a bit of a local disappointment that this is basically just replaceing attractions they just removed for reasons not really explained.  Like upgrading and iphone 7 to iphone x....it's newer and looks cooler...but is it worth it?

At least the FL area added to the ride count with some kids flats and space shot along with replacing a kids play area.  I kind of agree that this project seems to missing a new flat....but....I don't get to spend there money.

In my mind....SDCs two biggest issues is.....overcrowding.....and the lack of fresh things to do.  Us customers are also very hard to please.  We want both all the classics to stay forever plus have lots of new experiences too every time we go....lol.  Flat would help a little with overcrowding....lol.  At least they are trying to keep the festivals in shows fresh.

Hey....48 less season tickets from chittlins crew means less lines for the rest of us!!!!  Maybe overcrowding will fix itself without having raise prices to do it....lol  Don't get me started on my mindless wondering about if SDC would be better or worse if they jacked up season tix prices and lowered the daily tixs.


Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 26, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
^This. It could be worse and be like Worlds of Fun where they get little or nothing at all. The most being the rebuild and retrack of Timberwolf over the past few years as something they can market and hype. Their last coaster was Prowler added back in 2009. Without getting too far off topic I will say every time I ride Prowler it makes me miss OzCat, such a fantastic terrain woodie. WOF is a neat park with a lot of potential but Cedar Fair doesn't want to put any real money into it and I kinda wished HFEC would purchase it and give it some love. (and not do it like they did with CC)

Considering WOF is my true home park and the fact that I grew up with it and have been working with their PR Department for over 20 years now, I couldn’t disagree with your statement more.  The amount of money they’ve been pouring into the park here lately has been crazy.  They’ve literally been doing a SDC level of rebuilding their entire infrastructure.  New front gate / ticketing area (SDC could take pointers), new main entry plaza entertainment area, new flagship dining restaurant, new fountain plaza entertainment area, refurbished steam engine with a new boiler, new pump system and fiberglass for Viking Voyager, Winterfest, Grand Carnivale, and that’s before you even get to all of the recent added thematic elements and new rides.  They also hired a new chef and completely redid their entire menu for both parks.  All of these had to happen for a major ride capex to be possible.  It’s actually coming pretty soon. The death of Diamond Head moved some things around but last I heard it’s still on track.

I hope SDC plans on a major upgrade for their Christmas parade next year because WOF is also getting one and if it’s even remotely as good as the Grand Carnivale parade it will make the SDC one look shabby. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 27, 2019, 08:35:23 AM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 27, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.
The thing is that it is really hard to attract both sides, especially with the classics and everything that came with them are deteriorating. You can only patch something up so many times until it becomes a mess. This is why I love the new additions, they add something new and they’re able to completely fix and replace the current infrastructure. They’ve been doing a damn good job at it, too. I’m all for keeping the classics, I love FiTH and FM, but you can only patch them up so many times before stepping back and saying “we need to start from new.”

I don’t mind flat rides at all, but putting one where Mystic is going in at doesn’t make that much sense, as you can see GBS right across from it. If it was over by TT or Thunderation and was able to blend in without it looking like a carnival, I’d be fine with that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 27, 2019, 02:46:01 PM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.

We do the classics every trip, I've been riding FITH since 1978. We do the shows, I have no problem with their coasters other than the cheeping out like the no show building for TIme Traveler, no wooden tunnel after the lift hill on Thunderation that exposes backstage and the WTF on the end of PK where the splashdown used to be.  We think there should be more rides between the kiddie stuff and the coasters. I have long advocated for a modern day Diving Bell, right now, I'd go for an Ozarks Themed flying theater. We liked the new one at Europa as much as Soarin at Epcot and DL. Notice those are indoor attractions that defeat the rain and cold. Enclosed or semi enclosed flats, rides, whatever you want to call them would as well. This area screamed (to me)of a themed up flat that would play on spinning you fast to get you dry. Some new flangled steam powered contraption. Hell, It could just be a themed up gravitron but you get the point.  After seeing how some of the Euro parks like Tivoli  squeezes all they can out of space, a ride like that could have had a patio on top for an eatery like the redo of the BBQ joint or the BBQ joint just completely on top.

Call them Six Flags all you want but to most, the GE area is quite popular and why is that? If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 27, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
One of the many rants that chittlins has thrown out here lately is capacity.  You do realize that’s the entire point of this project, correct?   They widened the midway, they increased the size and improved the flow of the Ribhouse, they increased the amount of seating, the increased the throughput of their rapids ride.  These all fixed to your complaint but it still wasn’t good enough for you
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 27, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
One of the many rants that chittlins has thrown out here lately is capacity.  You do realize that’s the entire point of this project, correct?   They widened the midway, they increased the size and improved the flow of the Ribhouse, they increased the amount of seating, the increased the throughput of their rapids ride.  These all fixed to your complaint but it still wasn’t good enough for you

Nope
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on August 27, 2019, 09:21:16 PM
I'm looking forward to the new ride and improvements to the area. The LR had gotten to be a shell of it's former self and was a ride I skipped quite a bit (even in the summer). This will definitely bring some excitement back to that area and hopefully some improved visuals, etc.

I think parks like SDC, Sea World, etc. can get away without jamming the park full of rides just for the sake of having rides. There is so much more to do at these top parks with the shows, shops, food, etc. We used to pick SDC over "ride" parks even when we were kids because you could play and ride all day without standing in long lines. If there is anything I miss about SDC it is the areas where you could play and let your imagination run free. I would like to see more of are things like Grandfather's Mansion, Huck's Tree House, etc. places where your fun wasn't so controlled.

As parks like SDC get more rides, I think expectations change. People who were never interested in going before, now want to go to do the rides - they might not care you can make candles, watch pottery being made, candy being created, etc. Then there's families like mine who have gone since the 70's and I think love all aspects of the  park. We can go on days when no rides are open and still have a wonderful time. Maybe a flat ride isn't in the budget for this year since they are spending so much already - and really isn't needed for a park like SDC.....yet - but who knows what the future holds for a park that is obviously changing from what I experienced as a child growing up. This next year I'll get to take twin grand-babies for the first time and what I used to not care about, might be the places where I spend all my time.

Jay 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 28, 2019, 08:15:45 AM
If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad. 

Too bad?  Well, pissing off a portion of your public is rarely a good idea.

But you illustrate nicely a (an admittedly fuzzy) dividing line.  Rides, rides, RIDES:  you go for the rides.  With the exception of some truly traditional "rides," we go to avoid them.  We never go to WoF, 6F, or any other amusement park.  SDC has what we want (if in diminishing proportions). 

You may feel yourself free to dismiss us as irrelevant, but I hope the PTB aren't so myopic.  Our money is just as good as yours, and, given your own posts, we appear to spending more of ours at SDC than you are.  That statement isn't a judgment of your tastes or choices, just an accountant's perspective. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: jstein4507 on August 28, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
I think low cost exploring trails would bring a lot of enjoyment, and very high ROI.
But the disappearance of such like of Tom Sawyers Landing, The Treefort, whatever was expected from Firemans Landing, causes me to loose trust in the future of that.

Liabilities considered, I still dont see how providing the Ozark experience without long queue lines on fancy rides is so hard to implement. Grampas Mansion is STILL a favorite, and must do for everyone with us every visit.

How long before the Cave is replaced with a spinny princess ride and drink station???

Last year, buying a slingshot and shooting acorns next to the knife shop where black powder demos used to be was my sons favorite experience.

I have been going to WOF and SDC for all of my memorable life (40+yrs), and will keep going. Sure i like the thrill and adventure, and will love the new raft ride.
SDC still gets my vote on the experience for Food, Craftmanship, Adventure, Thrill, and Fun for the whole family.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on August 28, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
If turning SDC into a six flags or european type park is what it takes to survive then it might as well go away. Call me a traditionalist if you want but I go for the experience not a overdeveloped parking lot. BTW Chitlens since you seem to brag about your trips alot. I have been to Europe and Russia twice in the last 5 years and have yet to set foot in a amusement park. My time over there is more valuable to explore the beauty of the countries , meet the people and indulge myself in the history of Europe. Try hiking 4 days in Switzerland you might find out you enjoy it better than a SOS amusment park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 28, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad. 

Too bad?  Well, pissing off a portion of your public is rarely a good idea.

But you illustrate nicely a (an admittedly fuzzy) dividing line.  Rides, rides, RIDES:  you go for the rides.  With the exception of some truly traditional "rides," we go to avoid them.  We never go to WoF, 6F, or any other amusement park.  SDC has what we want (if in diminishing proportions). 

You may feel yourself free to dismiss us as irrelevant, but I hope the PTB aren't so myopic.  Our money is just as good as yours, and, given your own posts, we appear to spending more of ours at SDC than you are.  That statement isn't a judgment of your tastes or choices, just an accountant's perspective.

In 2018, we went to SDC a total of 9 trips. When we buy passes we use those suckers. I never said the place needed 10, 20, or 30 more flats/non coaster rides. I said the new area could have used a flat, I said the same thing about  the Outlaw Run area when it was included. I wanted some Bull themed bumber cars in a barn. Saw those at Port Aventura this summer.

In that last post if mine I advocated for a flying theater featuring the Ozarks. That is a major addition. A modern tech take on Rube Dugans would be as well. But... I will say the place needs about 3 to 4 flats spread out in the park that offer moderate thrills. How that likks the shows is beyond me. SDC will have to find a way to expand it's footprint because I think a few of y'all may not be able to take remaking/replacing anything else.



What I haven't said was the Children's play areas that I saw at Europa. Those would never fly here but good lord the quality of those at that park are off the chain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on August 29, 2019, 07:23:09 AM
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In that last post if mine I advocated for a flying theater featuring the Ozarks.

This would be a great addition to SDC.  The cost if done right would surpass the new coaster but could be marketed to everyone, young and old.  This system has shown itself to be a winner at other parks and they are using non IP footage.  Also this would be an indoor ride system, something SDC needs to kick up a notch.  They are relying more on the rides these days and could certainly use something that could keep running in poor weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on August 29, 2019, 08:08:38 AM
I'm not an advocate for replacing Fire in the Hole, but imagine that ride done as a flying theater, i.e. Flight of Passage at Animal Kingdom. The rider could be on "horseback" navigating through a burning Marmaros. Imagine being chased by Baldknobbers on horseback! Imagine riding across the burning Kinney Bridge! Throw in the classic "Red Flanders" line and a "Fire in the Hole!" with a splash at the end, and you might have yourself one heck of a ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on August 29, 2019, 02:14:41 PM
wow such vitriol on this...  Calm boys, calm.
It doesn't have to be an either/ or, it can be an and/ both.  And personally that's what I think it should be.

Personally, I agree with Chittlins that it would have been nice to have another attraction in the area.  Normally that's a ride.  But not always.  But something else to draw people in and give them something to do.  It didn't have to be a major ticket, a flat ride would fit the bill, but there could be other options as well.

At the same time I agree that they also should keep the other focus on the entertainment, shows, etc.  SDC's big bill is that it is a family park- a place where families can do things together.  And that's what they need to do- keep things that families can do together.  Add in some thrills for the dare devils, and add things that young children and grandparents can join in on as well.

That's a hard balance to find sometimes. And in a smaller park, it's not unusual for people to need a year or two off.  Also nothing wrong with that.  I'm really perturbed that some took that as a excuse to take personal shots, simply because someone has a different opinion.

Or the idea that thinking a park needs flats means it's turning into Six Flags.  Disney also does flats, and they are a good way to balance out a park so that it appeals to everyone.

One last bit- SDC really does need things that increase their capacity.  I don't mean how many people the park can hold, I mean some things that can actually get high numbers of people on the rides at time.  The largest capacity rides at SDC can push through on their best days around 700-1000 people an hour.  Maybe.  That's not high capacity.  Not when you compare it to coasters like SFMM or CP have that will push through 1500+/ hour.  Or you start looking at rides at Disney that can easily push through over 2000 an hour with around the 3000 mark.

SDC has a pretty good mix of rides.  But they are NOT a high capacity park.  Not when their largest days are low to medium level attendance days at many parks, or when they see more people each day at the Apple Butter Making festival.  Yes, I'd like to see the park get expanded along those lines like Dollywood has- which also has several high capacity rides to help absorb those larger crowds.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 30, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 30, 2019, 09:20:22 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
I’m pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they haven’t removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that “city” feel. Especially down by TT. I’m not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a “Six Flags” Or “Worlds of Fun”, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 30, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
I’m pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they haven’t removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that “city” feel. Especially down by TT. I’m not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a “Six Flags” Or “Worlds of Fun”, though.

There’s a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world don’t care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isn’t like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  We’ve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  It’s useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless it’s talking about how many foreign parks he’s visited or NWA (two topics most don’t seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

———-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on August 31, 2019, 07:00:04 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
I’m pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they haven’t removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that “city” feel. Especially down by TT. I’m not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a “Six Flags” Or “Worlds of Fun”, though.

There’s a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world don’t care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isn’t like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  We’ve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  It’s useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless it’s talking about how many foreign parks he’s visited or NWA (two topics most don’t seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

———-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week

We are going today. Thought I was going to skip the entire year but We decided to make a weekend trip. Ill post anything here but I have had trouble posting from my Mac in the past. Seems the files are to big.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on August 31, 2019, 07:57:54 AM
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Unless it’s talking about how many foreign parks he’s visited or NWA (two topics most don’t seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

This small community is allowing "the select" to bully and insult others on a regular basis.   These incidents always have a common denominator and usually the posts are removed until it happens again with nothing being said.  This is not right or welcoming to anyone, this does not encourage free communication or a good exchange of ideas and frankly should not be allowed.  I am surprised and wonder if the adults on this board would encourage there children to communicate like this?  I hope not.   Every crowd must have someone who speaks up. Not a lot of messages posted daily anymore, I wonder how many have left because of this repeated childishness? 

Moderator put a " Like" button on this board and it may assist in this situation.  Silent, passive feedback is a good thing.  It also lets you know what behavior is and is not appreciated by the other members.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2019, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Runner1960
We are going today. Thought I was going to skip the entire year but We decided to make a weekend trip. Ill post anything here but I have had trouble posting from my Mac in the past. Seems the files are to big.

Fingers crossed that you have better luck posting this time.   :D
Have fun today
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 31, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
I’m pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they haven’t removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that “city” feel. Especially down by TT. I’m not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a “Six Flags” Or “Worlds of Fun”, though.

There’s a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world don’t care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isn’t like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  We’ve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  It’s useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless it’s talking about how many foreign parks he’s visited or NWA (two topics most don’t seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

———-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week

Talk about someone who thinks way too much of themselves, lord have mercy
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: chittlins
Talk about someone who thinks way too much of themselves, lord have mercy

Says the pot.   ::)

Quote from: mhguy77
Not a lot of messages posted daily anymore.

It’s because message boards are a dinosaur.  Even the bigger “established” ones have minimum traffic anymore.  There are other mediums that deliver faster information that they have moved on to. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on August 31, 2019, 08:58:03 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.

I don't think any of us traditionalists mind the addition of new rides, even if we're not interested in them. We mind losing a lot of the traditional charm, especially if they're displaced for the sake of amusement park goers at the expense of the theme park experience.

I know that people aren't cheap to hire, and craftsmen are harder and harder to find. But, the street shows and acting/comedic talent of the SDC "Citizens" cost a pittance compared to $30,000,000 rides. Hand-painted signs can't be much more than those computer-printed abominations. And there's no excuse to leave theming simply undone.

I would sit all day and listen to unknown acoustic acts at the Gazebo or other spots through the park, but I would never set foot in Echo Hollow for a concert or show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on September 01, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
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Got one photo early in the day yesterday then we left and I intended to come back. It was after dark when I got back to that area. Sorry, Didn’t fulfill my mission but had a great day at the park. It was a beautiful end to the summer season
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on September 01, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
I’ll be down tomorrow and I’ll try to get some decent ones.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2019, 11:11:40 AM
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Got one photo early in the day yesterday then we left and I intended to come back. It was after dark when I got back to that area. Sorry, Didn’t fulfill my mission but had a great day at the park. It was a beautiful end to the summer season

 ;D Glad you had a good day.

I’ll be down tomorrow and I’ll try to get some decent ones.

Thank you. Sounds like I’ll take the watch the following weekend
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 01, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area. 

And SDC obviously hasn't forgotten your group.  This is, after all, the year of shows and festivals, which is completely aimed at your demographic.  I don't think that when they do a new ride every other year, and then feature new shows and festivals the others is forgetting.  It's building for both.

Just because you don't like something because it doesn't apply to you specifically doesn't mean they are ignoring or rejecting you.  Not everyone is going to like every single thing.  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on September 02, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
How about an on topic post!

Here are some okay-ish photos from today. The only vertical thing today is the wood structure you see. We are thinking it’s a look out tower possibly.

I’m finding it increasingly hard to get down there because it bores the kids. Lol!  They would rather cut around where there are things to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on September 03, 2019, 12:04:03 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on September 03, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isn’t possible anymore. They’ve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting “Not my FiTH/FM!” “Not my festivals!” They definitely haven’t forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on September 03, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isn’t possible anymore. They’ve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting “Not my FiTH/FM!” “Not my festivals!” They definitely haven’t forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 03, 2019, 07:23:38 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isn’t possible anymore. They’ve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting “Not my FiTH/FM!” “Not my festivals!” They definitely haven’t forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board you’d see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and don’t forget about Disco Yeti in Everest
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 04, 2019, 10:23:41 AM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board you’d see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and don’t forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 04, 2019, 10:31:11 AM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board you’d see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and don’t forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.

20,000 Leagues for the Snow White coaster let down(cause it is way too short)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Runner1960 on September 04, 2019, 02:42:12 PM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board you’d see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and don’t forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.

Let me rephrase. I was not talking about replacing attractions. I was referring to maintenance  of the ones they keep. I will admit I have not been to Disney since 2014 but then the classics were in top notch operating condition. I do not recall one non functioning part. Apparently things have changed for the worse.
As for the disco Yeti he was a problem from the start and never functioned correctly. I remember riding the first year of operation and he just stood there like a statue. I think they just finally gave up.
But, in all fairness I have never seen a building at Disney with pieces falling off like SDC has let FITH get too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 04, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
^Disneyland before their 50th had lots of things crumbling that had to be rebuilt.  Wasn’t there some fake rocks that fell and hit some riders on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad?  Things are definitely getting better but they are far from Saints when it comes to upkeep.  Shoot, Splash Mountain recently had several dark scenes because no one replaced bulbs on the lighting. 

But yes, I’d like SDC to give the maintenance budgets for FITH and FM several more thousands of dollars
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 04, 2019, 08:47:26 PM

20,000 Leagues for the Snow White coaster let down(cause it is way too short)

The subs were gone long before 7 Dwarves were even thought of.  They were filled in and replaced with an Ariel meet and greet, splash and play area, restrooms, and a Winnie the Pooh playground.  All of that but the restrooms was scrapped with the Fantasyland makeover and it's actually more where Gaston's tavern is now.  :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 07, 2019, 04:11:01 PM
Awe....I missed all the drama.  Ya'll realize we are talking about first world problems right.  Arguing about how to spend other peoples money (HFE) and who is the better bigger theme park know it all ::)  You really need to get interspective if you are letting theme park board opinions get under your skin.





Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 08, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
NEW PHOTOS
And now for something ACTUALLY on topic.

Construction Update from Sept 7th

MYSTIC RIVER FALLS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html

RIVERTOWN SMOKEHOUSE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 08, 2019, 11:57:26 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2019, 06:19:22 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, I’d be pleasantly surprised if they do too much. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 09, 2019, 07:14:19 AM
great set of updated pics, thanks...   

as far as being behind schedule,  just how far behind so they consider themselves?  considering they have 7 more months before opening.  I would think they have time to finish... (Unless we have a terrible winter)..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 09, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

Maybe some Dancing Waters? 5 to 10 minute show every 1hr.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 09, 2019, 02:21:09 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, I’d be pleasantly surprised if they do too much.

Thanks for the update. I was gonna say at a glance it did seem like not too much was done to the MRF site overall since my visit and tour a month ago. Interesting that they are indeed behind schedule. Wonder what happened there. I am assuming it was due to all the rain we had this year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2019, 06:39:41 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, I’d be pleasantly surprised if they do too much.

Thanks for the update. I was gonna say at a glance it did seem like not too much was done to the MRF site overall since my visit and tour a month ago. Interesting that they are indeed behind schedule. Wonder what happened there. I am assuming it was due to all the rain we had this year?

Let’s say “the weather” but the real reason... I’m not at liberty to disclose
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 09, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Regardless the budget and scheduling issues that may be a factor, the reality is it's going to look very ghetto if they leave Lake Silver as is next to a brand new $25 million addition. It's a shame that something as simple as a very small body of water cannot be treated as an aesthetic asset to the park. Especially considering how little the park would need to invest to treat it as such. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on September 09, 2019, 09:18:18 PM
Guys, c'mon, it's a freaking construction site, lol. I'm sure it will look nice when it's actually finished. This is why the put a giant ridiculous wood fence around all their construction sites.

Thanks for the photos everyone.

I'm sure they'll have no problem getting it done for next year. It's only mid September and it's half finished (from what I can tell anyway).
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 09, 2019, 11:04:43 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on September 10, 2019, 08:13:10 AM
I hope the large Rejoice comes back during OTC.  That display was by far the classiest part of the decorations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: saladdays on September 10, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
Regardless the budget and scheduling issues that may be a factor, the reality is it's going to look very ghetto if they leave Lake Silver as is next to a brand new $25 million addition. It's a shame that something as simple as a very small body of water cannot be treated as an aesthetic asset to the park. Especially considering how little the park would need to invest to treat it as such.

Why do you think they'll leave Lake Silver the same way it is now? I totally expect that it will look different in some way when the ride opens.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 10, 2019, 09:47:35 PM
Guys, c'mon, it's a freaking construction site, lol. I'm sure it will look nice when it's actually finished. This is why the put a giant ridiculous wood fence around all their construction sites.

Thanks for the photos everyone.

I'm sure they'll have no problem getting it done for next year. It's only mid September and it's half finished (from what I can tell anyway).

And remember they have an extra month before it opens, because water rides are not open for spring break days..  Lots of time left..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 10, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
Being behind schedule doesn’t mean that stuff won’t open on time - it means quite literally that they are behind schedule on where they wanted / needed to be

For example, the PTB wanted Rivertown Smokehouse to be decorated for Christmas.  Decoration Department gave a hard deadline for the facade to be done and it’s looking like they won’t hit it.  Smokehouse not being done when they wanted then creates other issues.  Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DollarCityBoy on September 11, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 11, 2019, 06:05:56 PM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?

That’s been tossed around as an option but I don’t think attractions wasn’t happy about how much smaller the space would be
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on September 12, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?

I bet that's a sentence you never thought you'd type- LOL!  And only us Fans would understand it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 13, 2019, 07:16:12 AM
Say Rudolph suffered from CWD and had to be put down or finally got kilt by one of the Branson Blue Hairs' RVs on 76.


About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Tmboote on September 13, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 13, 2019, 06:49:38 PM
Say Rudolph suffered from CWD and had to be put down or finally got kilt by one of the Branson Blue Hairs' RVs on 76.


About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.


Would absolutely love to see that.  Wouldn't cost much investment, and provide a nice extra down there.  Once those walls come down, there'll be a good bit of viewing from Fireman's Landing and Dockside Grill, along with the Landing area.

It wouldn't be something that would bring the people in, but it would be something that would keep them there and be part of the atmosphere that would bring them back.  It's little things like that that add up to big things that keep people coming.

BTW, I'll have a video look at the construction, the pumpkins and a few others things coming on Tuesday.  :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 14, 2019, 05:12:25 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 14, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs

The area could probably use a tilt coaster (Gravity Max) on the site of FM going over the train tracks using the current site of Riverfront Playhouse too but in reality it really doesn’t.  Sad part is, my statement is more likely to happen than yours
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on September 14, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs

I always wondered why they didn't bring some form of the laser/fountain show from CC to Lake Silver or the other side of the lake, set up some seating and do a short show a couple of times after dark.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Tmboote on September 14, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Not my point. I was saying that if you wanted to see a fountain show, you could go to the landing. I doubt anyone would decide to go to SDC or not based on a fountain show when they can go to one for free. Therefore, while a fountain show maybe wouldn’t cost much, it would likely cost more than it would make SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on September 14, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I don’t see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I don’t think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Not my point. I was saying that if you wanted to see a fountain show, you could go to the landing. I doubt anyone would decide to go to SDC or not based on a fountain show when they can go to one for free. Therefore, while a fountain show maybe wouldn’t cost much, it would likely cost more than it would make SDC.

However, a night show could keep people in the park spending money during certain times of the year, and provide another show to keep crowds smaller on the "streets".  I imagine Disney wouldn't have its evening light, laser, drone, etc. shows if they weren't making a profit on them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 14, 2019, 10:37:27 PM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 15, 2019, 08:15:55 AM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

That may or may not happen, 

But i was hoping for a simple block wall all the way around the pond.  that would give a nice clean edge to look at, easier to maintain and keep clean than a dirt bank.  something would match FL and tie in the new attraction.

Fountain in middle to keep water fresh looking would be a good touch too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 15, 2019, 08:42:23 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2019, 10:13:03 PM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

That may or may not happen, 

But i was hoping for a simple block wall all the way around the pond.  that would give a nice clean edge to look at, easier to maintain and keep clean than a dirt bank.  something would match FL and tie in the new attraction.

Fountain in middle to keep water fresh looking would be a good touch too.

As of right now, the only part of the new Lake that doesn’t have a permanent treatment is behind the Toy Story and over by the FL restroom.