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Title: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 15, 2019, 08:23:56 PM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 16, 2019, 08:01:04 AM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 16, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A

I just thought it was weird having a "town" in the middle of a "city".  I'm not sure why Riverfront wasn't used; that rebranding probably could have been accomplished without a name change.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 16, 2019, 07:55:04 PM
Howís it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: Itís not)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 16, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
Howís it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: Itís not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 16, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
Howís it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: Itís not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.

Oh youíre definitely nitpicking, thereís no doubt about that. 
If itíll help you sleep at night, just think of Rivertown being unincorporated and under the jurisdiction of the Silver Dollar City township or borough
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on August 17, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
The previous thread seems to have glitched, so I began a new one.  If Shave can figure it out, we can go back to the original thread, but until then, here's the last thing I posted to kick us off:

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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed.  I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.

As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride.  Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR.  I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).

but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride.  They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.

The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange.  I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles.  I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.

So you saying the ribhouse will have fried rice, peking duck and lo mein..Hot Dog! (Whoops). A

I'd go for an Oriental restaurant at SDC!  I took an online survey a couple of nights ago and when they asked about food I commented I'd like to see a fish house (non buffet) and bring back the Mountain High Cream Pies!

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 17, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
Howís it any different than using Landing or Exposition? (Hint: Itís not)

Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.

It may be a silly thing to point out, and I may be nitpicking, I'll concede that much.


Oh youíre definitely nitpicking, thereís no doubt about that. 
If itíll help you sleep at night, just think of Rivertown being unincorporated and under the jurisdiction of the Silver Dollar City township or borough

I go where my talents lie.  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on August 23, 2019, 01:26:19 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on August 23, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.

Glad you got a chance to get out of town before school started..   hopefully weather was a little more friendly than it was here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on August 23, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
So last week I took a vacation down to Orlando for a few days and got to ride Infinity Falls. I will say that the build up to the drop can be pretty intimidating. The drop really wasn't much, but the whole elevator thing was pretty crazy. As I said previously, I think once people get over themselves and see it in person, most will have no problem with it. It is certainly going to be different than Lost River, but LR wasn't that mild of a ride either.

That's pretty much how we felt about it as well.  It was a really neat ride, but really not that scary or intimidating.  We all thought the elevator was pretty neat, but if you've been on any of the rapids with a drop, they're not anywhere near as exciting or intense as you might think (like the ones on the Disney rapids rides).  I expect this to be about the same- it will be neat, fun, and something different, but I don't see it scaring people away.  It will be a much more fun and exciting draw to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 23, 2019, 08:09:59 PM
I've done River Quest and it's elevator and drop  at Phantasialand. My needle has not moved for this.

The area needed a quality flat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 23, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isnít Six Flags. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 24, 2019, 03:25:29 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isnít Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 24, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isnít Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isnít Six Flags. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on August 25, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isnít Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isnít Six Flags. 

Agree, do not ugly it up like a carnival.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 09:07:18 PM
The area needed a quality flat.

This isnít Six Flags.

Still needs more flats, covered at that

My teens binged this thing like a new netflix show

https://youtu.be/CeN8BL2r2RE

Tivolis air race and condor were popular rides too.

Still...
This isnít Six Flags. 

Agree, do not ugly it up like a carnival.

Still needs more flats.

The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

First time we have ever skipped SPs two straight years. We aren't feeling it.  Maybe it is because we just did Efteling, Phantasialand, Disneyland Paris, Port Aventura , Tivoli Copenhagen and Europa Park.

Thinking about Six Flags or Cedar passes for some road trips but never sniffing KC or STL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

Thatís too bad.  Weíll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 09:44:29 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

Thatís too bad.  Weíll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 10:17:21 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

Thatís too bad.  Weíll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO

To quote Taylor Swift ďYou need to calm down.  Youíre being too loudĒ
Again, weíll miss you. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
The wife and I discussed season passes for next year, we aren't there yet. This addition did nothing.

Thatís too bad.  Weíll miss you around here.  Take care.  Have a good life.

What makes you think I'll Go anywhere...
UCFO

To quote Taylor Swift ďYou need to calm down.  Youíre being too loudĒ
Again, weíll miss you.

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2019, 11:09:13 PM
Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Thank you for the well wishes.  Iíll make sure to do that
Again, weíll miss you and your thoughtful posts.  You truly are one of the great ones
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: getoffmytrain on August 26, 2019, 08:52:21 AM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Words from the truly ignorant... I see why Six Flags is right up your ally! Poor costumer service, crappy food and no character or pride in their park would seem to fit your personality!  I'd prefer you go there anyway!

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 26, 2019, 09:35:49 AM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.
And what is wrong with these ďband geeks?Ē
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on August 26, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Back to the topic, folks.  We can disagree about future plans and tastes, but this thread is only about 2020, and we don't need to get personal, and high school band students should not get caught in your crosshairs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 26, 2019, 01:18:37 PM

Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.

Words from the truly ignorant... I see why Six Flags is right up your ally! Poor costumer service, crappy food and no character or pride in their park would seem to fit your personality!  I'd prefer you go there anyway!

Coasters are up my alley, and I'll go anywhere.

Fact of the Matter is that between my family and wife's two sisters there were a combined 12 season passes bought each year for SDC. This year there was 4 amongst this group and next year is looking like none. We are local market and I know others (friends/co workers) feel the same as we do. Seems the daily attendance reports seem to bare this out, maybe the Pumpkin stuff will be a smash success I hope so. I still thin SDC is the best theme park between the Smokies and the Rockies but it's got a little tired for many.

The biggeat complaint abbout this ride amonst folks I have talked to about it isn't the drop, it's that it's just another raft ride. They don't really see it as new. That's a problem. That will be a problem for any redo of FITH or Flooded Mine or anything else. I have heard folks poo poo the weekend Christmas crowds for two years now around here and that is about the only tome they can go with work and all. SDC, hasn't grown the footprint to disperse the humanity or help with the traffic nightmare and parking issues when slammed.

It is what it is whether you played in a band or between the hashes.the park desperately needs some flats an I'll stick by that. Each big new ride shouldnhave an accompanying flat nearby that shares the theme and story. This was no different,  a bbq place is a bbq place and other than the drop it is still a raft ride that many just see as the same ol....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on August 26, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
Children! Don't make me get the hose! There's no need to bicker over such a silly topic.

I get what you are saying chittlins, but I don't think the park has a lot of options to work with. LR needed to be re-done one way or another. They could have cheaped out and merely replaced the trough and water system somehow, but that would have been pretty lame and still cost millions. I'm grateful that they put their weight behind this and tried to make it the best they possibly could.

I wouldn't mind a new flat either, but it would have been tough to shove into this location without sacrificing the neat atmosphere.

This $30 million addition comes on the heals of ~$60 million in spending the previous two years. Keep in mind how much infrastructure has been replaced and upgraded along with Time Traveler and this. The park is literally rebuilding itself piece by piece.

It's not uncommon for local market folks to get burned out after going to the park for years and years. Every once in awhile even I get tired of it. It's not for lack of effort on the parks side though. You can only expect them to do so much.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 26, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
^This. It could be worse and be like Worlds of Fun where they get little or nothing at all. The most being the rebuild and retrack of Timberwolf over the past few years as something they can market and hype. Their last coaster was Prowler added back in 2009. Without getting too far off topic I will say every time I ride Prowler it makes me miss OzCat, such a fantastic terrain woodie. WOF is a neat park with a lot of potential but Cedar Fair doesn't want to put any real money into it and I kinda wished HFEC would purchase it and give it some love. (and not do it like they did with CC)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 26, 2019, 10:00:48 PM
SDC is a cash cow for HFE even with the recent spending.....I assume.

There is a bit of a local disappointment that this is basically just replaceing attractions they just removed for reasons not really explained.  Like upgrading and iphone 7 to iphone x....it's newer and looks cooler...but is it worth it?

At least the FL area added to the ride count with some kids flats and space shot along with replacing a kids play area.  I kind of agree that this project seems to missing a new flat....but....I don't get to spend there money.

In my mind....SDCs two biggest issues is.....overcrowding.....and the lack of fresh things to do.  Us customers are also very hard to please.  We want both all the classics to stay forever plus have lots of new experiences too every time we go....lol.  Flat would help a little with overcrowding....lol.  At least they are trying to keep the festivals in shows fresh.

Hey....48 less season tickets from chittlins crew means less lines for the rest of us!!!!  Maybe overcrowding will fix itself without having raise prices to do it....lol  Don't get me started on my mindless wondering about if SDC would be better or worse if they jacked up season tix prices and lowered the daily tixs.


Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 26, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
^This. It could be worse and be like Worlds of Fun where they get little or nothing at all. The most being the rebuild and retrack of Timberwolf over the past few years as something they can market and hype. Their last coaster was Prowler added back in 2009. Without getting too far off topic I will say every time I ride Prowler it makes me miss OzCat, such a fantastic terrain woodie. WOF is a neat park with a lot of potential but Cedar Fair doesn't want to put any real money into it and I kinda wished HFEC would purchase it and give it some love. (and not do it like they did with CC)

Considering WOF is my true home park and the fact that I grew up with it and have been working with their PR Department for over 20 years now, I couldnít disagree with your statement more.  The amount of money theyíve been pouring into the park here lately has been crazy.  Theyíve literally been doing a SDC level of rebuilding their entire infrastructure.  New front gate / ticketing area (SDC could take pointers), new main entry plaza entertainment area, new flagship dining restaurant, new fountain plaza entertainment area, refurbished steam engine with a new boiler, new pump system and fiberglass for Viking Voyager, Winterfest, Grand Carnivale, and thatís before you even get to all of the recent added thematic elements and new rides.  They also hired a new chef and completely redid their entire menu for both parks.  All of these had to happen for a major ride capex to be possible.  Itís actually coming pretty soon. The death of Diamond Head moved some things around but last I heard itís still on track.

I hope SDC plans on a major upgrade for their Christmas parade next year because WOF is also getting one and if itís even remotely as good as the Grand Carnivale parade it will make the SDC one look shabby. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 27, 2019, 08:35:23 AM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 27, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.
The thing is that it is really hard to attract both sides, especially with the classics and everything that came with them are deteriorating. You can only patch something up so many times until it becomes a mess. This is why I love the new additions, they add something new and theyíre able to completely fix and replace the current infrastructure. Theyíve been doing a damn good job at it, too. Iím all for keeping the classics, I love FiTH and FM, but you can only patch them up so many times before stepping back and saying ďwe need to start from new.Ē

I donít mind flat rides at all, but putting one where Mystic is going in at doesnít make that much sense, as you can see GBS right across from it. If it was over by TT or Thunderation and was able to blend in without it looking like a carnival, Iíd be fine with that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 27, 2019, 02:46:01 PM
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics.  That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons.  We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.

The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.

We do the classics every trip, I've been riding FITH since 1978. We do the shows, I have no problem with their coasters other than the cheeping out like the no show building for TIme Traveler, no wooden tunnel after the lift hill on Thunderation that exposes backstage and the WTF on the end of PK where the splashdown used to be.  We think there should be more rides between the kiddie stuff and the coasters. I have long advocated for a modern day Diving Bell, right now, I'd go for an Ozarks Themed flying theater. We liked the new one at Europa as much as Soarin at Epcot and DL. Notice those are indoor attractions that defeat the rain and cold. Enclosed or semi enclosed flats, rides, whatever you want to call them would as well. This area screamed (to me)of a themed up flat that would play on spinning you fast to get you dry. Some new flangled steam powered contraption. Hell, It could just be a themed up gravitron but you get the point.  After seeing how some of the Euro parks like Tivoli  squeezes all they can out of space, a ride like that could have had a patio on top for an eatery like the redo of the BBQ joint or the BBQ joint just completely on top.

Call them Six Flags all you want but to most, the GE area is quite popular and why is that? If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 27, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
One of the many rants that chittlins has thrown out here lately is capacity.  You do realize thatís the entire point of this project, correct?   They widened the midway, they increased the size and improved the flow of the Ribhouse, they increased the amount of seating, the increased the throughput of their rapids ride.  These all fixed to your complaint but it still wasnít good enough for you
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 27, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
One of the many rants that chittlins has thrown out here lately is capacity.  You do realize thatís the entire point of this project, correct?   They widened the midway, they increased the size and improved the flow of the Ribhouse, they increased the amount of seating, the increased the throughput of their rapids ride.  These all fixed to your complaint but it still wasnít good enough for you

Nope
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on August 27, 2019, 09:21:16 PM
I'm looking forward to the new ride and improvements to the area. The LR had gotten to be a shell of it's former self and was a ride I skipped quite a bit (even in the summer). This will definitely bring some excitement back to that area and hopefully some improved visuals, etc.

I think parks like SDC, Sea World, etc. can get away without jamming the park full of rides just for the sake of having rides. There is so much more to do at these top parks with the shows, shops, food, etc. We used to pick SDC over "ride" parks even when we were kids because you could play and ride all day without standing in long lines. If there is anything I miss about SDC it is the areas where you could play and let your imagination run free. I would like to see more of are things like Grandfather's Mansion, Huck's Tree House, etc. places where your fun wasn't so controlled.

As parks like SDC get more rides, I think expectations change. People who were never interested in going before, now want to go to do the rides - they might not care you can make candles, watch pottery being made, candy being created, etc. Then there's families like mine who have gone since the 70's and I think love all aspects of the  park. We can go on days when no rides are open and still have a wonderful time. Maybe a flat ride isn't in the budget for this year since they are spending so much already - and really isn't needed for a park like SDC.....yet - but who knows what the future holds for a park that is obviously changing from what I experienced as a child growing up. This next year I'll get to take twin grand-babies for the first time and what I used to not care about, might be the places where I spend all my time.

Jay 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 28, 2019, 08:15:45 AM
If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad. 

Too bad?  Well, pissing off a portion of your public is rarely a good idea.

But you illustrate nicely a (an admittedly fuzzy) dividing line.  Rides, rides, RIDES:  you go for the rides.  With the exception of some truly traditional "rides," we go to avoid them.  We never go to WoF, 6F, or any other amusement park.  SDC has what we want (if in diminishing proportions). 

You may feel yourself free to dismiss us as irrelevant, but I hope the PTB aren't so myopic.  Our money is just as good as yours, and, given your own posts, we appear to spending more of ours at SDC than you are.  That statement isn't a judgment of your tastes or choices, just an accountant's perspective. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: jstein4507 on August 28, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
I think low cost exploring trails would bring a lot of enjoyment, and very high ROI.
But the disappearance of such like of Tom Sawyers Landing, The Treefort, whatever was expected from Firemans Landing, causes me to loose trust in the future of that.

Liabilities considered, I still dont see how providing the Ozark experience without long queue lines on fancy rides is so hard to implement. Grampas Mansion is STILL a favorite, and must do for everyone with us every visit.

How long before the Cave is replaced with a spinny princess ride and drink station???

Last year, buying a slingshot and shooting acorns next to the knife shop where black powder demos used to be was my sons favorite experience.

I have been going to WOF and SDC for all of my memorable life (40+yrs), and will keep going. Sure i like the thrill and adventure, and will love the new raft ride.
SDC still gets my vote on the experience for Food, Craftmanship, Adventure, Thrill, and Fun for the whole family.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on August 28, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
If turning SDC into a six flags or european type park is what it takes to survive then it might as well go away. Call me a traditionalist if you want but I go for the experience not a overdeveloped parking lot. BTW Chitlens since you seem to brag about your trips alot. I have been to Europe and Russia twice in the last 5 years and have yet to set foot in a amusement park. My time over there is more valuable to explore the beauty of the countries , meet the people and indulge myself in the history of Europe. Try hiking 4 days in Switzerland you might find out you enjoy it better than a SOS amusment park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 28, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
If that pisses off the traditionalist, too bad. 

Too bad?  Well, pissing off a portion of your public is rarely a good idea.

But you illustrate nicely a (an admittedly fuzzy) dividing line.  Rides, rides, RIDES:  you go for the rides.  With the exception of some truly traditional "rides," we go to avoid them.  We never go to WoF, 6F, or any other amusement park.  SDC has what we want (if in diminishing proportions). 

You may feel yourself free to dismiss us as irrelevant, but I hope the PTB aren't so myopic.  Our money is just as good as yours, and, given your own posts, we appear to spending more of ours at SDC than you are.  That statement isn't a judgment of your tastes or choices, just an accountant's perspective.

In 2018, we went to SDC a total of 9 trips. When we buy passes we use those suckers. I never said the place needed 10, 20, or 30 more flats/non coaster rides. I said the new area could have used a flat, I said the same thing about  the Outlaw Run area when it was included. I wanted some Bull themed bumber cars in a barn. Saw those at Port Aventura this summer.

In that last post if mine I advocated for a flying theater featuring the Ozarks. That is a major addition. A modern tech take on Rube Dugans would be as well. But... I will say the place needs about 3 to 4 flats spread out in the park that offer moderate thrills. How that likks the shows is beyond me. SDC will have to find a way to expand it's footprint because I think a few of y'all may not be able to take remaking/replacing anything else.



What I haven't said was the Children's play areas that I saw at Europa. Those would never fly here but good lord the quality of those at that park are off the chain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on August 29, 2019, 07:23:09 AM
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In that last post if mine I advocated for a flying theater featuring the Ozarks.

This would be a great addition to SDC.  The cost if done right would surpass the new coaster but could be marketed to everyone, young and old.  This system has shown itself to be a winner at other parks and they are using non IP footage.  Also this would be an indoor ride system, something SDC needs to kick up a notch.  They are relying more on the rides these days and could certainly use something that could keep running in poor weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on August 29, 2019, 08:08:38 AM
I'm not an advocate for replacing Fire in the Hole, but imagine that ride done as a flying theater, i.e. Flight of Passage at Animal Kingdom. The rider could be on "horseback" navigating through a burning Marmaros. Imagine being chased by Baldknobbers on horseback! Imagine riding across the burning Kinney Bridge! Throw in the classic "Red Flanders" line and a "Fire in the Hole!" with a splash at the end, and you might have yourself one heck of a ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on August 29, 2019, 02:14:41 PM
wow such vitriol on this...  Calm boys, calm.
It doesn't have to be an either/ or, it can be an and/ both.  And personally that's what I think it should be.

Personally, I agree with Chittlins that it would have been nice to have another attraction in the area.  Normally that's a ride.  But not always.  But something else to draw people in and give them something to do.  It didn't have to be a major ticket, a flat ride would fit the bill, but there could be other options as well.

At the same time I agree that they also should keep the other focus on the entertainment, shows, etc.  SDC's big bill is that it is a family park- a place where families can do things together.  And that's what they need to do- keep things that families can do together.  Add in some thrills for the dare devils, and add things that young children and grandparents can join in on as well.

That's a hard balance to find sometimes. And in a smaller park, it's not unusual for people to need a year or two off.  Also nothing wrong with that.  I'm really perturbed that some took that as a excuse to take personal shots, simply because someone has a different opinion.

Or the idea that thinking a park needs flats means it's turning into Six Flags.  Disney also does flats, and they are a good way to balance out a park so that it appeals to everyone.

One last bit- SDC really does need things that increase their capacity.  I don't mean how many people the park can hold, I mean some things that can actually get high numbers of people on the rides at time.  The largest capacity rides at SDC can push through on their best days around 700-1000 people an hour.  Maybe.  That's not high capacity.  Not when you compare it to coasters like SFMM or CP have that will push through 1500+/ hour.  Or you start looking at rides at Disney that can easily push through over 2000 an hour with around the 3000 mark.

SDC has a pretty good mix of rides.  But they are NOT a high capacity park.  Not when their largest days are low to medium level attendance days at many parks, or when they see more people each day at the Apple Butter Making festival.  Yes, I'd like to see the park get expanded along those lines like Dollywood has- which also has several high capacity rides to help absorb those larger crowds.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on August 30, 2019, 08:30:54 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on August 30, 2019, 09:20:22 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
Iím pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they havenít removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that ďcityĒ feel. Especially down by TT. Iím not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a ďSix FlagsĒ Or ďWorlds of FunĒ, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 30, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
Iím pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they havenít removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that ďcityĒ feel. Especially down by TT. Iím not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a ďSix FlagsĒ Or ďWorlds of FunĒ, though.

Thereís a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world donít care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isnít like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  Weíve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  Itís useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless itís talking about how many foreign parks heís visited or NWA (two topics most donít seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

óóó-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on August 31, 2019, 07:00:04 AM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
Iím pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they havenít removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that ďcityĒ feel. Especially down by TT. Iím not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a ďSix FlagsĒ Or ďWorlds of FunĒ, though.

Thereís a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world donít care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isnít like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  Weíve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  Itís useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless itís talking about how many foreign parks heís visited or NWA (two topics most donít seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

óóó-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week

We are going today. Thought I was going to skip the entire year but We decided to make a weekend trip. Ill post anything here but I have had trouble posting from my Mac in the past. Seems the files are to big.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on August 31, 2019, 07:57:54 AM
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Unless it’s talking about how many foreign parks he’s visited or NWA (two topics most don’t seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

This small community is allowing "the select" to bully and insult others on a regular basis.   These incidents always have a common denominator and usually the posts are removed until it happens again with nothing being said.  This is not right or welcoming to anyone, this does not encourage free communication or a good exchange of ideas and frankly should not be allowed.  I am surprised and wonder if the adults on this board would encourage there children to communicate like this?  I hope not.   Every crowd must have someone who speaks up. Not a lot of messages posted daily anymore, I wonder how many have left because of this repeated childishness? 

Moderator put a " Like" button on this board and it may assist in this situation.  Silent, passive feedback is a good thing.  It also lets you know what behavior is and is not appreciated by the other members.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2019, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Runner1960
We are going today. Thought I was going to skip the entire year but We decided to make a weekend trip. Ill post anything here but I have had trouble posting from my Mac in the past. Seems the files are to big.

Fingers crossed that you have better luck posting this time.   :D
Have fun today
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on August 31, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.
Iím pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they havenít removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that ďcityĒ feel. Especially down by TT. Iím not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a ďSix FlagsĒ Or ďWorlds of FunĒ, though.

Thereís a difference between adding experiences and just adding rides.  The chittlins of the world donít care if a ride fits or not, he just wants more.  SDC isnít like that.  The experiences have to be part of the overall story.  Weíve only been trying to explain this ad nauseam since he joined the boards.  Itís useless to lose much sleep over it.  Unless itís talking about how many foreign parks heís visited or NWA (two topics most donít seem to care about on here) good luck having a real conversation, let alone a discussion with him. 

óóó-

Now for the actual topic. 
Anyone going this weekend to get updated photos?
I thought about it, but I might wait a week

Talk about someone who thinks way too much of themselves, lord have mercy
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: chittlins
Talk about someone who thinks way too much of themselves, lord have mercy

Says the pot.   ::)

Quote from: mhguy77
Not a lot of messages posted daily anymore.

Itís because message boards are a dinosaur.  Even the bigger ďestablishedĒ ones have minimum traffic anymore.  There are other mediums that deliver faster information that they have moved on to. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on August 31, 2019, 08:58:03 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.

I don't think any of us traditionalists mind the addition of new rides, even if we're not interested in them. We mind losing a lot of the traditional charm, especially if they're displaced for the sake of amusement park goers at the expense of the theme park experience.

I know that people aren't cheap to hire, and craftsmen are harder and harder to find. But, the street shows and acting/comedic talent of the SDC "Citizens" cost a pittance compared to $30,000,000 rides. Hand-painted signs can't be much more than those computer-printed abominations. And there's no excuse to leave theming simply undone.

I would sit all day and listen to unknown acoustic acts at the Gazebo or other spots through the park, but I would never set foot in Echo Hollow for a concert or show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on September 01, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
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Got one photo early in the day yesterday then we left and I intended to come back. It was after dark when I got back to that area. Sorry, Didnít fulfill my mission but had a great day at the park. It was a beautiful end to the summer season
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on September 01, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
Iíll be down tomorrow and Iíll try to get some decent ones.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2019, 11:11:40 AM
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Got one photo early in the day yesterday then we left and I intended to come back. It was after dark when I got back to that area. Sorry, Didnít fulfill my mission but had a great day at the park. It was a beautiful end to the summer season

 ;D Glad you had a good day.

Iíll be down tomorrow and Iíll try to get some decent ones.

Thank you. Sounds like Iíll take the watch the following weekend
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 01, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides.  There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC.  Make enough changes, and you will alienate us.  The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either.  Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area. 

And SDC obviously hasn't forgotten your group.  This is, after all, the year of shows and festivals, which is completely aimed at your demographic.  I don't think that when they do a new ride every other year, and then feature new shows and festivals the others is forgetting.  It's building for both.

Just because you don't like something because it doesn't apply to you specifically doesn't mean they are ignoring or rejecting you.  Not everyone is going to like every single thing.  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on September 02, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
How about an on topic post!

Here are some okay-ish photos from today. The only vertical thing today is the wood structure you see. We are thinking itís a look out tower possibly.

Iím finding it increasingly hard to get down there because it bores the kids. Lol!  They would rather cut around where there are things to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on September 03, 2019, 12:04:03 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on September 03, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isnít possible anymore. Theyíve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting ďNot my FiTH/FM!Ē ďNot my festivals!Ē They definitely havenít forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on September 03, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isnít possible anymore. Theyíve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting ďNot my FiTH/FM!Ē ďNot my festivals!Ē They definitely havenít forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 03, 2019, 07:23:38 PM
  But as long as they are adding some things you like.  And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.

Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here.  The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well. 

As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded):  I get that.  But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not?  Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
But there comes a time where preservation isnít possible anymore. Theyíve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting ďNot my FiTH/FM!Ē ďNot my festivals!Ē They definitely havenít forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board youíd see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and donít forget about Disco Yeti in Everest
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 04, 2019, 10:23:41 AM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board youíd see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and donít forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 04, 2019, 10:31:11 AM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board youíd see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and donít forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.

20,000 Leagues for the Snow White coaster let down(cause it is way too short)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on September 04, 2019, 02:42:12 PM

How is it Disney can preserve their classics then ? Here is how. You do not neglect them for years you do preventive maintenance from the beginning. Hopefully they will realize this on newer attractions. Do not let the deterioration get out of control. PM in my opinion is one thing Herschend is terrible at.

Actually if you followed any Disney board youíd see even Disney has trouble properly maintaining their classics and especially their dark rides.  Figment is a sore spot for most and the current state of effects in several of the Magic Kingdom dark rides - and donít forget about Disco Yeti in Everest

World of Motion and Horizons at Epcot; Country Bears, People Mover, Mission to Mars, Flying Saucers at Disneyland; I could go on long lists of rides and attractions that Disney has replaced- and several of those were because they couldn't/ wouldn't maintain them.

But the point is also valid with SDC and other parks- for some reason it seems certain attraction types don't get the TLC and attention that they need- wood coasters and dark rides stand out.  Little problems are ignored, and gradually so many little problems add up that it starts to become big problems.

Disney is obviously better than most. But they also are the most well attended and the most expensive parks to visit. When you have more people paying a lot more, then you have more money to be able to spend on upkeep.  And they are known for their Fantasyland dark rides- the "classics"  But if you've been to a Disney park in the last few years, then it's also likely you've seen their penny pinching and signs of not spending as much to take care of even those as they used to.  And Disney far outspends everyone else on taking care of their stuff.  And on "atmosphere" characters as well, something that many parks quit doing or cut way back on years ago.

Getting back on topic, I'm hoping to make it out to SDC next week myself to look at the changes. What I've seen it's looking like it's coming along well.  I will say SDC does a great job of working on their things and keeping them on a timeline.  That's one area they've got Disney beat by a long shot.

Let me rephrase. I was not talking about replacing attractions. I was referring to maintenance  of the ones they keep. I will admit I have not been to Disney since 2014 but then the classics were in top notch operating condition. I do not recall one non functioning part. Apparently things have changed for the worse.
As for the disco Yeti he was a problem from the start and never functioned correctly. I remember riding the first year of operation and he just stood there like a statue. I think they just finally gave up.
But, in all fairness I have never seen a building at Disney with pieces falling off like SDC has let FITH get too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 04, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
^Disneyland before their 50th had lots of things crumbling that had to be rebuilt.  Wasnít there some fake rocks that fell and hit some riders on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad?  Things are definitely getting better but they are far from Saints when it comes to upkeep.  Shoot, Splash Mountain recently had several dark scenes because no one replaced bulbs on the lighting. 

But yes, Iíd like SDC to give the maintenance budgets for FITH and FM several more thousands of dollars
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 04, 2019, 08:47:26 PM

20,000 Leagues for the Snow White coaster let down(cause it is way too short)

The subs were gone long before 7 Dwarves were even thought of.  They were filled in and replaced with an Ariel meet and greet, splash and play area, restrooms, and a Winnie the Pooh playground.  All of that but the restrooms was scrapped with the Fantasyland makeover and it's actually more where Gaston's tavern is now.  :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 07, 2019, 04:11:01 PM
Awe....I missed all the drama.  Ya'll realize we are talking about first world problems right.  Arguing about how to spend other peoples money (HFE) and who is the better bigger theme park know it all ::)  You really need to get interspective if you are letting theme park board opinions get under your skin.





Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 08, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
NEW PHOTOS
And now for something ACTUALLY on topic.

Construction Update from Sept 7th

MYSTIC RIVER FALLS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html

RIVERTOWN SMOKEHOUSE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime on September 08, 2019, 11:57:26 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2019, 06:19:22 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, Iíd be pleasantly surprised if they do too much. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 09, 2019, 07:14:19 AM
great set of updated pics, thanks...   

as far as being behind schedule,  just how far behind so they consider themselves?  considering they have 7 more months before opening.  I would think they have time to finish... (Unless we have a terrible winter)..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 09, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

Maybe some Dancing Waters? 5 to 10 minute show every 1hr.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 09, 2019, 02:21:09 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, Iíd be pleasantly surprised if they do too much.

Thanks for the update. I was gonna say at a glance it did seem like not too much was done to the MRF site overall since my visit and tour a month ago. Interesting that they are indeed behind schedule. Wonder what happened there. I am assuming it was due to all the rain we had this year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2019, 06:39:41 PM
Thanks for sharing the pics. Any idea if the project budget includes plans to spruce up the perimeter of Lake Silver prior to the opening of MRF? It definitely looks neglected (to be expected given the significance of the adjacent construction). It would be great to see them add a nice sized fountain in the center once everything is completed and the lake is filled once again.

As far overbudget / behind schedule as it is, Iíd be pleasantly surprised if they do too much.

Thanks for the update. I was gonna say at a glance it did seem like not too much was done to the MRF site overall since my visit and tour a month ago. Interesting that they are indeed behind schedule. Wonder what happened there. I am assuming it was due to all the rain we had this year?

Letís say ďthe weatherĒ but the real reason... Iím not at liberty to disclose
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime on September 09, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Regardless the budget and scheduling issues that may be a factor, the reality is it's going to look very ghetto if they leave Lake Silver as is next to a brand new $25 million addition. It's a shame that something as simple as a very small body of water cannot be treated as an aesthetic asset to the park. Especially considering how little the park would need to invest to treat it as such. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on September 09, 2019, 09:18:18 PM
Guys, c'mon, it's a freaking construction site, lol. I'm sure it will look nice when it's actually finished. This is why the put a giant ridiculous wood fence around all their construction sites.

Thanks for the photos everyone.

I'm sure they'll have no problem getting it done for next year. It's only mid September and it's half finished (from what I can tell anyway).
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime on September 09, 2019, 11:04:43 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on September 10, 2019, 08:13:10 AM
I hope the large Rejoice comes back during OTC.  That display was by far the classiest part of the decorations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: saladdays on September 10, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
Regardless the budget and scheduling issues that may be a factor, the reality is it's going to look very ghetto if they leave Lake Silver as is next to a brand new $25 million addition. It's a shame that something as simple as a very small body of water cannot be treated as an aesthetic asset to the park. Especially considering how little the park would need to invest to treat it as such.

Why do you think they'll leave Lake Silver the same way it is now? I totally expect that it will look different in some way when the ride opens.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 10, 2019, 09:47:35 PM
Guys, c'mon, it's a freaking construction site, lol. I'm sure it will look nice when it's actually finished. This is why the put a giant ridiculous wood fence around all their construction sites.

Thanks for the photos everyone.

I'm sure they'll have no problem getting it done for next year. It's only mid September and it's half finished (from what I can tell anyway).

And remember they have an extra month before it opens, because water rides are not open for spring break days..  Lots of time left..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 10, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
Being behind schedule doesnít mean that stuff wonít open on time - it means quite literally that they are behind schedule on where they wanted / needed to be

For example, the PTB wanted Rivertown Smokehouse to be decorated for Christmas.  Decoration Department gave a hard deadline for the facade to be done and itís looking like they wonít hit it.  Smokehouse not being done when they wanted then creates other issues.  Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DollarCityBoy on September 11, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 11, 2019, 06:05:56 PM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?

Thatís been tossed around as an option but I donít think attractions wasnít happy about how much smaller the space would be
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on September 12, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
Like where is Rudolph going to go since temporary Ribhouse is in Carousel Barn

See being behind schedule has other ramifications besides just next year stuff

Why couldn't they put Santa where he normal is in the queue line of River Blast, then put Rudolph and Clarice in the formal White River Mercantile?

I bet that's a sentence you never thought you'd type- LOL!  And only us Fans would understand it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 13, 2019, 07:16:12 AM
Say Rudolph suffered from CWD and had to be put down or finally got kilt by one of the Branson Blue Hairs' RVs on 76.


About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Tmboote on September 13, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sirwillow on September 13, 2019, 06:49:38 PM
Say Rudolph suffered from CWD and had to be put down or finally got kilt by one of the Branson Blue Hairs' RVs on 76.


About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.


Would absolutely love to see that.  Wouldn't cost much investment, and provide a nice extra down there.  Once those walls come down, there'll be a good bit of viewing from Fireman's Landing and Dockside Grill, along with the Landing area.

It wouldn't be something that would bring the people in, but it would be something that would keep them there and be part of the atmosphere that would bring them back.  It's little things like that that add up to big things that keep people coming.

BTW, I'll have a video look at the construction, the pumpkins and a few others things coming on Tuesday.  :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on September 14, 2019, 05:12:25 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 14, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs

The area could probably use a tilt coaster (Gravity Max) on the site of FM going over the train tracks using the current site of Riverfront Playhouse too but in reality it really doesnít.  Sad part is, my statement is more likely to happen than yours
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on September 14, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Anywho, I did some YouTube digging and this was found for the Puy du Fou pond with a fountain show. Obviously, Lake Sliver would be more compact. It was just a thought, kinda like the area needing a flat.

https://youtu.be/HO8ZrExRPXs

I always wondered why they didn't bring some form of the laser/fountain show from CC to Lake Silver or the other side of the lake, set up some seating and do a short show a couple of times after dark.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Tmboote on September 14, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Not my point. I was saying that if you wanted to see a fountain show, you could go to the landing. I doubt anyone would decide to go to SDC or not based on a fountain show when they can go to one for free. Therefore, while a fountain show maybe wouldnít cost much, it would likely cost more than it would make SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on September 14, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
About Lake Silver...

On the lake, add a water fountain show complete with  choreographing to Dueling Ban........err, Ozarkian Music. 5 minute show on top and bottom of the hour.  This was quite common in Europe from Palace Gardens to theme parks. Older folk crowd pleasers they are.  Puy du Fou had a smaller one on a lake/pond about the size of the former Lake Silver.

While that would be nice, I donít see how they would make any return on investing in that. I doubt anyone would go to SDC just to see the fountains, especially when the Landing has fountains for free. So I donít think the park would see any benefit in investing in a fountain show. Also I feel like a fountain show would be difficult to see having MRF or FL in the background most likely and would create more crowd issues with people stopping along the path to see the show.

You know how many times i go the landing  or down 76 when I go to SDC, 1 out of  20 if that.  It is not relevant.

Not my point. I was saying that if you wanted to see a fountain show, you could go to the landing. I doubt anyone would decide to go to SDC or not based on a fountain show when they can go to one for free. Therefore, while a fountain show maybe wouldnít cost much, it would likely cost more than it would make SDC.

However, a night show could keep people in the park spending money during certain times of the year, and provide another show to keep crowds smaller on the "streets".  I imagine Disney wouldn't have its evening light, laser, drone, etc. shows if they weren't making a profit on them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime on September 14, 2019, 10:37:27 PM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on September 15, 2019, 08:15:55 AM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

That may or may not happen, 

But i was hoping for a simple block wall all the way around the pond.  that would give a nice clean edge to look at, easier to maintain and keep clean than a dirt bank.  something would match FL and tie in the new attraction.

Fountain in middle to keep water fresh looking would be a good touch too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: BackInTime on September 15, 2019, 08:42:23 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2019, 10:13:03 PM
We don't need pomp and circumstance in LS. A decent sized fountain that circulates water and is possibly illuminated at night would be the only inexpensive touch needed to dress up what is nothing, but a small pond now. If they wanted to continue the block retaining wall in front of FL around the entire perimeter, that would be awesome as well, but not holding my breath.

That may or may not happen, 

But i was hoping for a simple block wall all the way around the pond.  that would give a nice clean edge to look at, easier to maintain and keep clean than a dirt bank.  something would match FL and tie in the new attraction.

Fountain in middle to keep water fresh looking would be a good touch too.

As of right now, the only part of the new Lake that doesnít have a permanent treatment is behind the Toy Story and over by the FL restroom. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: woodgrain on September 23, 2019, 09:49:57 AM
Visited the park this past week and thought I'd share just a few minor observations from our train ride. The MRF loading station is framed and a crane was putting roof trusses in place over the Smokehouse dining area. Saw some workers hanging pumpkin-headed owls along the new Pumpkin Nights walkway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 23, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
Visited the park this past week and thought I'd share just a few minor observations from our train ride. The MRF loading station is framed and a crane was putting roof trusses in place over the Smokehouse dining area. Saw some workers hanging pumpkin-headed owls along the new Pumpkin Nights walkway.

Awesome.  Did you happen to get any photos?

óó
Sorry folks I have another marching competition this weekend but Iíll be down on October 5-6 to get photos from the new festival and of MRF/RTSH construction
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: woodgrain on September 24, 2019, 08:56:38 AM
Visited the park this past week and thought I'd share just a few minor observations from our train ride. The MRF loading station is framed and a crane was putting roof trusses in place over the Smokehouse dining area. Saw some workers hanging pumpkin-headed owls along the new Pumpkin Nights walkway.

Awesome.  Did you happen to get any photos?

óó
Sorry folks I have another marching competition this weekend but Iíll be down on October 5-6 to get photos from the new festival and of MRF/RTSH construction

Sadly, no. I was wrangling little ones most of the day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on October 06, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
NEW PHOTOS

RIVERTOWN SMOKEHOUSE (https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/10/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html) 10/05/19
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on October 06, 2019, 08:39:31 PM
NEW PHOTOS

MYSTIC RIVER FALLS (https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/10/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html) 10/05/19
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: woodgrain on October 07, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
Thanks for the photo updates, Swoosh. Looking through these, I just happened to wonder for the first time since the official announcement -- with the load station being so much closer to the walkway through the new Rivertown than LR's was, where is the line going to form to handle large crowds? Won't it back up and crowd thru-traffic in the walkway?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 07, 2019, 01:34:54 PM
Looking good! Thanks for the update. I myself plan to do a construction update video later this month.
Liking the amount of landscaping work they are putting into this. The site should look fantastic and well shaded once everything grows in about 5-10 years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on October 07, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Thanks for the photo updates, Swoosh. Looking through these, I just happened to wonder for the first time since the official announcement -- with the load station being so much closer to the walkway through the new Rivertown than LR's was, where is the line going to form to handle large crowds? Won't it back up and crowd thru-traffic in the walkway?

The queue line goes on the ride side of the station and then back into a queue house which is housed in the facade building that the final drop goes through before coming back to the station.  You exit on the Lake side of the station and are emptied back on the midway at that mystery shed. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on October 09, 2019, 06:57:39 AM
Another good group of pictures..  really coming along nicely
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on October 12, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
The queue line goes on the ride side of the station and then back into a queue house which is housed in the facade building that the final drop goes through before coming back to the station.

Queueing next to a major drop is great for building rider excitement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDC#1fan on October 16, 2019, 02:48:01 PM
Swoosh looking through your photos I'm going to guess that the "mystery building" is a Dryer/locker building. The left side with the drain pipe is for the dryer and the right side that is finished is for the lockers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: RJW on October 23, 2019, 11:42:16 PM
Quote
Huge difference.  The latter two are often found in cities, while a town has its own local government (as does a city).  Cities and towns may be adjacent to one another, but are not a part of each other.
Nope! For instance, in the city of St. Louis there is Dutch Town, the mostly German area. Also Dog Town, known as the Irish area. (There's an interesting story behind the Dog Town name that has nothing to do with ethnicity)
The old, historic area in the city of Florissant Missouri is officially called "Old Town". Big cities don't have areas called downcity do they? Or maybe Uptown Cafe in Branson should be Upcity Cafe because it is within the city limits of Branson.
So, within a "city" there certainly can be distinct areas referred to as "town"
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 24, 2019, 05:10:59 PM
Without being too redundant on other posts being made, here is an update on the construction of Mystic River Falls at SDC from my recent visit this week.

WATCH VIDEO HERE:
https://youtu.be/fPgoBsDByK4

The loading station under construction.

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1263_9.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1292_4.jpg)

Work continues on the pumphouse/lift/drop area.

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1290_9.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1252_8.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1243_8.jpg)

Canal landscaping work continues. Note the addition of trees, shrubbery, and detailed rockwork.

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1277_9.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1287_7.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1286_12.jpg)

The new Ribhouse is coming along nicely.

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1266_13.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1280_9.jpg)

Lake Silver has been drained for the winter season.

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1235_7.jpg)

(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_1246_10.jpg)


It will be great to see how all this will look when the ride opens next spring. Loving the landscaping work being done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on November 09, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 11, 2019, 08:00:58 PM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.

What!!!!  This is the biggest news of all!!!!   Cinnamon bread is moving?????

The Mill can be a tough place to get in and out of.  As long as it tastes the same....guess my first stop in SDC will take a few steps longer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: biscuitcreek on November 16, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.

What!!!!  This is the biggest news of all!!!!   Cinnamon bread is moving?????

The Mill can be a tough place to get in and out of.  As long as it tastes the same....guess my first stop in SDC will take a few steps longer.

But that also means no cinnamon bread before the official park opening -- will have to wait for the chains to drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on November 16, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.

What!!!!  This is the biggest news of all!!!!   Cinnamon bread is moving?????

The Mill can be a tough place to get in and out of.  As long as it tastes the same....guess my first stop in SDC will take a few steps longer.

But that also means no cinnamon bread before the official park opening -- will have to wait for the chains to drop.

I'm pretty sure if the bread sells up front, they will have them at both locations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on November 16, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.

What!!!!  This is the biggest news of all!!!!   Cinnamon bread is moving?????

The Mill can be a tough place to get in and out of.  As long as it tastes the same....guess my first stop in SDC will take a few steps longer.

But that also means no cinnamon bread before the official park opening -- will have to wait for the chains to drop.

I'm pretty sure if the bread sells up front, they will have them at both locations.

Unless it has changed in the last 10 minutes, all baked items currently at the Mill will now be at this new location
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on November 16, 2019, 07:09:34 PM
Got to see it all up close at the ACE coaster Christmas walk back today. It really looks incredible with the authentic rock work everywhere. The new ribhouse will be nice and cozy and it interacts a lot with the new ride through. They are still pouring concrete at the base of the tower and may not even start on the steelwork until after the season ends.

They also dropped the news that the old white river mercantile building will become a cinnamon bread bakery. I guess that building will be safe for the future.

What!!!!  This is the biggest news of all!!!!   Cinnamon bread is moving?????

The Mill can be a tough place to get in and out of.  As long as it tastes the same....guess my first stop in SDC will take a few steps longer.

But that also means no cinnamon bread before the official park opening -- will have to wait for the chains to drop.

I'm pretty sure if the bread sells up front, they will have them at both locations.

Unless it has changed in the last 10 minutes, all baked items currently at the Mill will now be at this new location

I take that to mean sales at The Mill are not great.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on November 17, 2019, 11:55:43 AM
From the outside looking in, it seems that the Mill has actually gotten TOO popular over the past couple years. There were rumors that they were looking at expanding it somehow, even taking over the candle shop to do so. The mill was never built to handle the number of people coming through to get cinnamon bread. At times there have been lines of 30+ minutes or more.

We'll see where things land in spring, but I was told that the mill would still have a few baked things, and they would still have some bread making going on there. I think the milling should be more featured though - so many people fail to realize that it is a real mill!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on November 17, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
From the outside looking in, it seems that the Mill has actually gotten TOO popular over the past couple years. There were rumors that they were looking at expanding it somehow, even taking over the candle shop to do so. The mill was never built to handle the number of people coming through to get cinnamon bread. At times there have been lines of 30+ minutes or more.

We'll see where things land in spring, but I was told that the mill would still have a few baked things, and they would still have some bread making going on there. I think the milling should be more featured though - so many people fail to realize that it is a real mill!

Silly me.  I was thinking of The Mill Restaurant during this conversation, and not Sullivan's Mill.  But yes, the milling has gone by the wayside through the years and the bread sales have taken over the facility.  I'm all for moving the more commercial stuff out of there to the new Rivertown.  I had wondered why these guys were getting their cinnamon bread at the restaurant, figuring that was a pretty stupid location for it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on November 21, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
Mystic River Falls Update from 11/16
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/11/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html

Smokehouse Update from 11/16
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/11/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html

Mystic River Falls Tower is Now Vertical 11/21
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/11/mystic-river-falls-sdc_21.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on November 22, 2019, 09:16:08 AM
Did anyone notice the most recent copy of the SDC times where it refers to "Craft Days and Pumpkins" for 2020 rather than "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"? I thought that was odd. Perhaps it was a typo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on November 22, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
Did anyone notice the most recent copy of the SDC times where it refers to "Craft Days and Pumpkins" for 2020 rather than "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"? I thought that was odd. Perhaps it was a typo.

Iím sure it was just a sloppy c/p job, much like the recent times referring to Joy as Christmas on Main Street
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on November 23, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
Did anyone notice the most recent copy of the SDC times where it refers to "Craft Days and Pumpkins" for 2020 rather than "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"? I thought that was odd. Perhaps it was a typo.

I looked at website, it is listed as "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on November 24, 2019, 09:30:52 AM
Did anyone notice the most recent copy of the SDC times where it refers to "Craft Days and Pumpkins" for 2020 rather than "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"? I thought that was odd. Perhaps it was a typo.

I looked at website, it is listed as "Craft Days and Pumpkin Nights"


I believe the website is still advertising this year's festival and not the coming year.  Not that it means anything because it probably is just a typo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on December 22, 2019, 06:31:00 PM
Probably the final construction update of the season from us
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/12/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on December 26, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Pics all look good.  I am a little surprised...  (if they are done with it),  that they didnt do a little more luvn to the Lake. .
Surprised they didnt dig out some of the lake bottom on the edges to give it more "depth" .
I see the decorative rock on the northside.
did they also do that on south side?
Also the big flat stones in the 1 picture, is that going to be the new lake elevation?

If the answer is yes to the above, that lake will look all new and look great! Especially if the put a sprinkler/fountain in the middle of it..

That whole area is going to be NICE!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 03, 2020, 08:32:52 PM
Looking good. Hope to be up there in March to check out the progress. Just got my new pass ordered.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on January 08, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
At least they've had good weather to get a lot of work done this January. Looks like the majority of the month is going to be fairly mild. No huge snow storms on the radar or prolonged cold.

I am a bit disappointed that they had to cut costs a little and go with cheaper finishes on the buildings, but at least it still fits the theme and is even similar to a few other spots in the city where the metal siding is used. Since all these buildings are being finished similarly at once, it contributes to the "Rivertown" feel.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Gilligan on January 08, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
Rain and possible snow coming in over the next few days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on January 08, 2020, 06:34:01 PM
Rain and possible snow coming in over the next few days.

Yep.  I seems that I wasnít the only one thinking Steveís post didnít age well  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on January 08, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
Lol, true, this weekend notwithstanding though it's been a pretty mild January and predicted to be a pretty mild winter overall. Of course now that I say that we'll be in for some epic snow storms.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Joy on January 10, 2020, 05:46:26 PM
Got an e-mail today titled "10 Things You Don't Want To Miss in 2020!" and a couple things caught my eye.

Firstly, I don't remember if they'd already had info/images up for the new cinnamon bread shop, but they're available now on the 2020 Rivertown page.

(https://i.imgur.com/3BNnn5D.png)
(image from the e-mail)

(https://i.imgur.com/UzFhqPq.jpg)
(image on the website)

Quote from site: "Silver Dollar Cityís world-famous cinnamon bread finds a NEW home in Rivertown at Clara Belleís Cinnamon Bread. Here our culinary craftsmen are hard at work creating the ooey-gooey goodness your family craves with double the oven space and more options like Apple Cinnamon Bread, Peach Cinnamon Bread, Time Traveler Cinnamon Bread drizzled with caramel and chocolate and of course, the classic originalÖwith so many choices one loaf is never enough!"

***

And the cowboys are coming back to the Fall Festival!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/zcmBMnK.png)
(image from the e-mail)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on January 10, 2020, 06:32:00 PM
Glad to see and hear that the Cowboys will be back..  Kent rollins is a treat to watch and listen to, as well as Bucl Taylor..   Glad to see it.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on January 11, 2020, 11:19:08 AM
^^ Yeehaw!   We've already bought our Season passes anyway but this is icing on the cake
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on January 11, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
^^ Yeehaw!   We've already bought our Season passes anyway but this is icing on the cake

*bread*
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 11, 2020, 03:52:28 PM
Looks like they are aware of a lot of the backlash that was being posted on various sites/social media regarding the "lackluster" 2019 season (most notably the backlash on the lack of crafts and cowboys during the fall festival) and they are responding appropriately to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on January 11, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Looks like they are aware of a lot of the backlash that was being posted on various sites/social media regarding the lackluster 2019 season and they are responding appropriately to it.

Lackluster? A new huge festival and a new tree are far from lackluster and the crowds during the fall and winter echo that point
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on January 11, 2020, 09:16:11 PM
Looks like they are aware of a lot of the backlash that was being posted on various sites/social media regarding the lackluster 2019 season and they are responding appropriately to it.

Lackluster? A new huge festival and a new tree are far from lackluster and the crowds during the fall and winter echo that point

And a new million dollar "show".
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 11, 2020, 10:07:29 PM
Considering we saw a lot of people complaining on social media and on this very forum last season (most notably the crafts and cowboys during the fall festival being "lackluster"), it looks like they listened and addressed that.


And a new million dollar "show".

Depending on who you ask, some found it "meh". (I didn't get a chance to see it, so I cannot pass judgement on it yet.)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on January 11, 2020, 10:26:51 PM
Considering we saw a lot of people complaining on social media and on this very forum last season (most notably the crafts and cowboys during the fall festival being "lackluster"), it looks like they listened and addressed that.


And a new million dollar "show".

Depending on who you ask, some found it "meh". (I didn't get a chance to see it, so I cannot pass judgement on it yet.)

"Meh" is a higher rating than it deserves, so I consider this part of the season to be less than lackluster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 01, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
We are now almost a month out from opening day. 
Just wanted to prepare you for some of the major changes that have happened this off season that wonít be broadcasted by the park and might catch you off guard. 

Please note that I havenít received clearance to talk about all of them yet (and itís killing me). 

Today, letís talk about the Playhouse.  It has a new roof and several new outer walls.  Iím sure youíve heard me talk about how bad of shape the whole place was in the past, so Iím very happy that theyíve put some work into it this offseason.  Iím not sure how much the GP will notice has ďchangedĒ with this project, but it was much needed
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 01, 2020, 10:48:15 PM
Yeah I already saw some talk about the old Valley Road bridge being torn out and replaced. Not sure about anything else so I will refrain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 02, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
Yeah I already saw some talk about the old Valley Road bridge being torn out and replaced. Not sure about anything else so I will refrain.

Ok since you mentioned it, Iíll confirm.  Yes the Tressel bridge has been removed and a new bridge thatís about 10í wider has replaced it.  Thereís still more...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 02, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
It will be very interesting to see how it all looks in person on opening day for sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on February 02, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
What exactly was wrong with the old bridge?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 03, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
What exactly was wrong with the old bridge?

Probably just age.  It was actually supposed to have been replaced the year before
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on February 03, 2020, 08:33:23 AM
Does the new bridge attempt to maintain the character of the old bridge? Is the toll house still there? Will we still hear the sound of horse hooves? Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on February 03, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
Yeah I already saw some talk about the old Valley Road bridge being torn out and replaced. Not sure about anything else so I will refrain.

Ok since you mentioned it, Iíll confirm.  Yes the Tressel bridge has been removed and a new bridge thatís about 10í wider has replaced it.  Thereís still more...

Wow, 10 feet wider? That's a huge difference
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on February 03, 2020, 03:26:29 PM
Yeah I already saw some talk about the old Valley Road bridge being torn out and replaced. Not sure about anything else so I will refrain.

Ok since you mentioned it, Iíll confirm.  Yes the Tressel bridge has been removed and a new bridge thatís about 10í wider has replaced it.  Thereís still more...

That will be much wider, and will change the approach from both ways quite a bit..    But that has been needed for a long time. 

Hope they kept the "ambience" of the area, sounds, hooves, trees and so on


Wow, 10 feet wider? That's a huge difference
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on February 03, 2020, 03:43:37 PM
Yeah I already saw some talk about the old Valley Road bridge being torn out and replaced. Not sure about anything else so I will refrain.

Ok since you mentioned it, Iíll confirm.  Yes the Tressel bridge has been removed and a new bridge thatís about 10í wider has replaced it.  Thereís still more...

That will be much wider, and will change the approach from both ways quite a bit..    But that has been needed for a long time. 

Hope they kept the "ambience" of the area, sounds, hooves, trees and so on


Wow, 10 feet wider? That's a huge difference

They could easily make it so generic that you don't even know you're on a bridge.  Hopefully, wiser and more nostalgic heads will prevail, and they will keep it with its current theme and effects.  It is one of the little things that keep me returning.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 03, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
They could easily make it so generic that you don't even know you're on a bridge.  Hopefully, wiser and more nostalgic heads will prevail, and they will keep it with its current theme and effects.  It is one of the little things that keep me returning.

Yes Fingers Crossed these updates that have been teased were done right. I hope the PTB continue to realize its the atmosphere that sets SDC apart from the other theme parks, even Dollywood.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on February 03, 2020, 04:54:45 PM
I cannot see how making the bridge wider will help.  The choke points are along the street uphill and downhill from it.  It's sort of like installing a 4" diameter pipe between two 2" diameter sections.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 03, 2020, 11:13:42 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Thatís not the only new bridge for this year
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on February 04, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Thatís not the only new bridge for this year
The spiral rock bridge??
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 04, 2020, 04:47:41 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Thatís not the only new bridge for this year
The spiral rock bridge??

No Corkscrew Pass isnít getting replaced this year (though it sounds like itís been earmarked for the following)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on February 04, 2020, 05:10:14 PM
No Corkscrew Pass isnít getting replaced this year (though it sounds like itís been earmarked for the following)

Hmm, well the only other two bridges that come to mind are the railroad bridge next to Hugo's road and the swinging bridge. I haven't been there in over a year due to school, so my memory may be fuzzy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on February 05, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
lets see, technically I can think of at least 3 more... 

there is a bridge by leather and knife shop area, going across the "stream", which is actually drainage from rain water,,

Also 1 bridge to overlook the downhill run at AP.

Then the bridge(s) that are part of the Queue line for WF & AP.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 06, 2020, 09:35:53 AM
Apparently the other new bridge is replacing the wooden bridge between AP and WF

The park released photos of items available at the new Smokehouse today on Facebook
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
I love that bridge and the clopping horses!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on February 06, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Good Lord.

Why not just cut down all the trees, level the hills, and pave everything? That would make expansion a lot easier, right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 06, 2020, 10:46:42 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Good Lord.

Why not just cut down all the trees, level the hills, and pave everything? That would make expansion a lot easier, right?

I know you were being sarcastic - but unfortunately, I have to report that a lot of mature trees have been removed around the park.  Sorry.  I personally donít know the scope of the removal, just that it happened
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on February 07, 2020, 03:11:56 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Good Lord.

Why not just cut down all the trees, level the hills, and pave everything? That would make expansion a lot easier, right?

I know you were being sarcastic - but unfortunately, I have to report that a lot of mature trees have been removed around the park.  Sorry.  I personally donít know the scope of the removal, just that it happened

Hopefully it was just for safety reasons. The trees were dying or dropping limbs. I cannot see any other reason for the park to do this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on February 08, 2020, 10:24:45 AM
Any word on if they have fixed the rough section on Thunderation?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on February 08, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Any word on if they have fixed the rough section on Thunderation?

They probably will still deny there is even a rough section that needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 08, 2020, 08:44:24 PM
Any word on if they have fixed the rough section on Thunderation?

They probably will still deny there is even a rough section that needs to be fixed.

What rough section?   ;)
I havenít heard.  Rides are waking up from their winter slumber though. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 09, 2020, 11:32:22 PM
I am gonna take a wild guess since they are redoing the pathway/bridge heading to WF and got rid of a bunch of trees that they removed the waterfall feature and leveled the surrounding area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on February 10, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
I am gonna take a wild guess since they are redoing the pathway/bridge heading to WF and got rid of a bunch of trees that they removed the waterfall feature and leveled the surrounding area.
You mean the one behind Lumbercamp?? I sure hope that they didn't remove the waterfall feature, that was one of my favorite places to just relax and listen to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 10, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
I am gonna take a wild guess since they are redoing the pathway/bridge heading to WF and got rid of a bunch of trees that they removed the waterfall feature and leveled the surrounding area.

Then youíd be wrong. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 10, 2020, 09:57:06 PM
Good deal. Would hate to lose more of the parks landmarks and atmosphere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on February 11, 2020, 07:22:26 AM
I am gonna take a wild guess since they are redoing the pathway/bridge heading to WF and got rid of a bunch of trees that they removed the waterfall feature and leveled the surrounding area.

I would hope you are wrong..  there would be some clearing done, 

but they wont eliminate that area until they decide to put a ride or expansion area there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Preachin_Bill on February 22, 2020, 07:45:22 PM
I wonít comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but weíll say that the new one is concrete

Good Lord.

Why not just cut down all the trees, level the hills, and pave everything? That would make expansion a lot easier, right?

no kidding.
People need to stop making excuses for SDC regarding this stuff.
Getting harder and harder to understand why they hate the type of character and theme that made the park what it is. New cinnamon bread stand looks like absolute crap too, add it to the list.
Just tear down the park and build a new one already, hard to argue they wouldn't like to do that if they could.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Preachin_Bill on February 22, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Good deal. Would hate to lose more of the parks landmarks and atmosphere.
Well get ready to lose plenty more the way things are going.
Current powers that be don't give a damn, thats for sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 23, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
You guys are more than welcome to go find a new hobby since going to SDC causes you such grievance. 

I guess Iíll hold off passing along more new info on changes to the park in respect for all yíallís heath
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 23, 2020, 04:36:45 PM
The park has begun testing Mystic River Falls. Teaser video on their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158094107142603&id=7656242602
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on February 23, 2020, 09:24:15 PM
You guys are more than welcome to go find a new hobby since going to SDC causes you such grievance. 

I guess Iíll hold off passing along more new info on changes to the park in respect for all yíallís heath

No no, ignore them.  While I might not like all the changes that happen I still want to hear about them
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Joy on February 23, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
I personally don't mind the changes, but then again, I've been a rabid fan of theme parks in general for ages, so I've learned a lot about how the industry works and SDC is just trying to keep up. If they were to just do the same thing every year and not change/update/add... crowd growth would stagnate and they'd eventually start losing guests/money.

My generation has a different idea of what we are looking for entertainment-wise. I think the best suggestion I've seen so far with this more recent discussion is to have set times scheduled for street shows and craft demos. The economy has a big chunk of families having to have both parents working or single people working multiple jobs just to make ends meet. So when we DO plan a vacation, it tends to be done with careful planning and budgeting.

Set times that are easily findable means we can see ahead of time what to do in what order when we visit the park. Basically, just see how Disney does it. With the Magicband system, you're able to reserve a time for rides and then go about your day until your time comes up. Virtual queuing and boarding pass systems are become common because we want to be able to schedule our day. And with character meet & greets, they have set times for specific characters at specific meeting spots. I think the only "streetmosphere" I've seen that as far as I know doesn't have a set schedule is the citizens of Hollywood at Hollywood Studios. But I could be wrong about that; Disney's pretty good at having a schedule for everything.

And speaking of Disney, we can also look to it as an example of a park with increasing crowds in a park with infrastructure/pathing/etc built for the expected hundreds a day when it opened in the 50s, not the 50,000 a day they get on average now.

So they had to widen paths, which sadly meant getting rid of some trees and what-not. But the result has been much better flow of crowds and therefore less stress and tension in the crowd and therefore people having a happier day.

SDC was not built for high attendance. Their annual attendance when they first opened in '60 was 120k (https://mobizmagazine.com/2016/12/12/tis-the-season-silver-dollar-city-masters-the-festival-business/). FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. Now they bring in 20k+ several days a week (depending on the season).

Unfortunately, in order to ease the flow of the crowds, trees are gonna have to be taken down for paths to be widened. But there are still SO many trees. A few here and there won't be a big deal. I'm sure they've taken down plenty of trees that we've never even noticed before. Plus, they plant multiple trees elsewhere for every tree they cut down, so they're being conscientious about our planet (which cannot be said for a vast majority of multi-million/billion dollar corporations).

ANYWAY, TL;DR: I am okay with the changes at SDC because they have to make the park future-proof for the younger generations and the increasing crowds. And I appreciate the updates you give us, Swoosh, and I hope you continue to let us know about them. Thank you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on February 24, 2020, 07:14:59 AM
The park has begun testing Mystic River Falls. Teaser video on their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158094107142603&id=7656242602

Just a pet peeve but I really wish they would have stained the concrete to match the real rock work instead of raw gray.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on February 24, 2020, 07:20:06 AM
I personally don't mind the changes, but then again, I've been a rabid fan of theme parks in general for ages, so I've learned a lot about how the industry works and SDC is just trying to keep up. If they were to just do the same thing every year and not change/update/add... crowd growth would stagnate and they'd eventually start losing guests/money.

My generation has a different idea of what we are looking for entertainment-wise. I think the best suggestion I've seen so far with this more recent discussion is to have set times scheduled for street shows and craft demos. The economy has a big chunk of families having to have both parents working or single people working multiple jobs just to make ends meet. So when we DO plan a vacation, it tends to be done with careful planning and budgeting.

Set times that are easily findable means we can see ahead of time what to do in what order when we visit the park. Basically, just see how Disney does it. With the Magicband system, you're able to reserve a time for rides and then go about your day until your time comes up. Virtual queuing and boarding pass systems are become common because we want to be able to schedule our day. And with character meet & greets, they have set times for specific characters at specific meeting spots. I think the only "streetmosphere" I've seen that as far as I know doesn't have a set schedule is the citizens of Hollywood at Hollywood Studios. But I could be wrong about that; Disney's pretty good at having a schedule for everything.

And speaking of Disney, we can also look to it as an example of a park with increasing crowds in a park with infrastructure/pathing/etc built for the expected hundreds a day when it opened in the 50s, not the 500,000 a day they get on average now.

So they had to widen paths, which sadly meant getting rid of some trees and what-not. But the result has been much better flow of crowds and therefore less stress and tension in the crowd and therefore people having a happier day.

SDC was not built for high attendance. Their annual attendance when they first opened in '60 was 120k (https://mobizmagazine.com/2016/12/12/tis-the-season-silver-dollar-city-masters-the-festival-business/). FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. Now they bring in 20k+ several days a week (depending on the season).

Unfortunately, in order to ease the flow of the crowds, trees are gonna have to be taken down for paths to be widened. But there are still SO many trees. A few here and there won't be a big deal. I'm sure they've taken down plenty of trees that we've never even noticed before. Plus, they plant multiple trees elsewhere for every tree they cut down, so they're being conscientious about our planet (which cannot be said for a vast majority of multi-million/billion dollar corporations).

ANYWAY, TL;DR: I am okay with the changes at SDC because they have to make the park future-proof for the younger generations and the increasing crowds. And I appreciate the updates you give us, Swoosh, and I hope you continue to let us know about them. Thank you.

The magic band system always is a way to encourage longer stays along with the ticket pricing system and at an onsite resort to reserve rides 60 days out. That got diluted by greed when they expanded it to even more "partner" hotels.

I think the new Margaritaville resort has the perk now
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on February 24, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
You guys are more than welcome to go find a new hobby since going to SDC causes you such grievance. 

I guess Iíll hold off passing along more new info on changes to the park in respect for all yíallís heath

Oh, please.  That's just a little childish.  The whole point behind these threads is so that the members here can discuss their reactions to happenings at SDC. 

Some of us like them; some don't   We are all free to not only have our personal reactions but also to share them.  If you are expecting everyone to fall into the party line and applaud the changes, you're being very unrealistic.

Frankly, I suspect some of us will eventually lose our desire to go to the City if the current trends continue.  At some point, the memories won't be worth repeating for us.  If the City no longer caters to its original audience and purpose--i.e. atmosphere, not rides--what will some of us care whether or not the City survives?  You can't threaten us with the disappearance of the City if it seems to us that it is already disappearing. 

And we have the right to complain bout that every bit as much as the others have the right to celebrate it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Joy on February 24, 2020, 02:22:15 PM
Whoops. Added one too many zeroes to the DL daily attendance. It's 50,000, not 500,000. I've got back and edited it...

As my MSU English Society t-shirt says, "I'm an English major... YOU do the math!"
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 24, 2020, 02:56:37 PM
The park has begun testing Mystic River Falls. Teaser video on their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158094107142603&id=7656242602

Just a pet peeve but I really wish they would have stained the concrete to match the real rock work instead of raw gray.

I do agree there. Maybe the sun and elements will tan or bleach it a bit as time goes on. Otherwise the landscaping rockwork looks fantastic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jaykethekid on February 24, 2020, 08:27:25 PM
The park has begun testing Mystic River Falls. Teaser video on their Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158094107142603&id=7656242602

Just a pet peeve but I really wish they would have stained the concrete to match the real rock work instead of raw gray.


I do agree there. Maybe the sun and elements will tan or bleach it a bit as time goes on. Otherwise the landscaping rockwork looks fantastic.
I've seen photos in a Facebook group that shows that they have done exactly that to parts of the trough. I don't know if that group allows their posts shared outside of the group, so I'll hold off on sharing it. But it's the Silver Dollar City Area Hosts group if you want to check it out yourselves. It shows the trough is in the process of being stained a rust like color as well as some photos of the surrounding area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on February 24, 2020, 08:33:22 PM
In some of the photos that were shared somewhere on FB recently you could see that some of the channel has been stained. I'm sure they'll do the rest before it opens. I don't think they've even built the tower yet, or at last they hadn't as of a couple weeks ago. I think the video was just a test of the pumps.


Lol at the age old "SDC is losing it's character" debate. After almost 15 years of this site, it should be clear by now that the park is simply going to keep evolving. The time to gripe about it was back when they built Wildfire.

I for one, love the effort they go through to keep the SDC spirit alive while constantly raising the bar for new attractions and having to contort themselves to the ever changing whims of modern park goers. You guys know the theme of Mystic River is marvel caves/ozarks, right? They could have done any number of focus-group approved cartoony themes, but they bent over backwards to create a beautiful representation of the Ozarks and the park's history while also building a kickass new ride.

Yes, there are probably going to be wider pathways and a few less trees this year, and that kind of sucks, but we have to live with it. After being stuck in a down-right dangerous crowd for 30mins last Christmas with literally no way to escape, I'm ready to accept it. The park has outgrown itself and it is time to upgrade or die.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Joy on February 24, 2020, 09:49:37 PM
According to SDC in a reply on a comment on that Mystic River video, the tower indeed "doesn't exist yet."
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 24, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
Yes, there are probably going to be wider pathways and a few less trees this year, and that kind of sucks, but we have to live with it. After being stuck in a down-right dangerous crowd for 30mins last Christmas with literally no way to escape, I'm ready to accept it. The park has outgrown itself and it is time to upgrade or die.

So would this be a good time to discuss some of those changes? (Purely rhetorical, Iím going to anyway)

-The new bridge between Glassblowers and Brownís Candy is approximately 5í wider on both sides of the former bridge. 
-Two flower beds between Blacksmith & Hotel have been removed.  They think there will be added foot traffic down to Midtown in the morning due to the new Coffee Shop
-The flower bed just outside of Time Traders entrance has been removed.

Waiting on confirmation of more in park path changes. 

Rumor on additional security screenings happening this year at front gate.  Metal detectors might be installed.  Waiting on confirmation
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on February 25, 2020, 09:38:03 AM
Anyone else notice how they are just calling it "Pumpkins" now? In today's email and on the website it is just listed as "Pumpkins" instead of "Pumpkin Nights".

I wonder if it is to try and even out the attendance throughout the day some instead of it getting packed after dark.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 25, 2020, 10:37:49 AM
Anyone else notice how they are just calling it "Pumpkins" now? In today's email and on the website it is just listed as "Pumpkins" instead of "Pumpkin Nights".

I wonder if it is to try and even out the attendance throughout the day some instead of it getting packed after dark.

A wise move. More crafts people are being brought back too. They saw they don't want to lose the demographic that came for that. They were well aware of last years complaints.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on February 25, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
You guys are more than welcome to go find a new hobby since going to SDC causes you such grievance. 

Oh, please.  That's just a little childish.


Well, remember who you're replying to.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on February 25, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Anyone else notice how they are just calling it "Pumpkins" now? In today's email and on the website it is just listed as "Pumpkins" instead of "Pumpkin Nights".

I wonder if it is to try and even out the attendance throughout the day some instead of it getting packed after dark.

I wonder if thatís just a placeholder name.  The whole ďPumpkin NightsĒ moniker Mae it sound like there wasnít anything to do during the day - so wait and come out at night instead. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on March 03, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
The park released a video of the new MRF rays today on their social media platforms
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on March 06, 2020, 08:49:04 AM
Tour of the new Rivertown Smokehouse and views of Mystic River Falls at the end.
The video is mirrored so keep that in mind when trying to get orientated.

I think that it is interesting and a good move that they went back to traditional soda fountains instead of the freestyle machines. They seem to just create longer lines when they are the only ones available. I would be happy to see them make the switch inside of Crossroads Pizza too.

I am also impressed to see the level of landscaping that they have done on the ride. All of the trees and rock work look great. It also appears as if the full channel has been painted/stained and doesn't have the grey concrete look that was seen in their first sneak-peek video.

It doesn't look like the lift and raised channel are up yet... maybe I'm just not seeing it though. They did say that it is planed for a late May opening.

https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/541963353091887/
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on March 06, 2020, 01:06:15 PM

It doesn't look like the lift and raised channel are up yet... maybe I'm just not seeing it though. They did say that it is planed for a late May opening.

https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/541963353091887/

They are going to flatten it by late May? :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on March 06, 2020, 07:50:10 PM
I bet it is a lot more expensive than the old ribhouse was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 06, 2020, 09:50:47 PM


I think that it is interesting and a good move that they went back to traditional soda fountains instead of the freestyle machines. They seem to just create longer lines when they are the only ones available. I would be happy to see them make the switch inside of Crossroads Pizza too.


I hate the freestyle machines - not only do they take longer because of snot noise kids picking 6 favors....single use at a time (no multiple fills at once) - but they require everyone in the restaurant to touch there grimy fingers on the same screen directly before and after (refills) they eat. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Junior, too! on March 08, 2020, 12:00:29 AM
I was looking at video of the new restaurant and it appears to have metal siding. Kind of bums me out. The restaurant is very country contemporary looking. The video showed the light fixtures hanging from the foyer ceiling, and I didn't see 1880s anywhere. However, time marches on and the park has to accommodate over 2 million folk per year. Change must occur. The high quality is still there. I am chomping at the bit to get to see the new Rivertown area. Of course, I spent most of my time on park in that area at the diving bell, 1979-1984. Pretty much everything I remember in that part of the park has been wiped clean and all is new there. The only building original to the 1977 opening of the Deepwoods...later Riverfront...now Rivertown, is the old Wagon Works Barn, now called the White River Warehouse, which is adjacent to Tom and Huck's River Splash. March 17th is just a sneeze away. I'm excited about 2020 for SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 09, 2020, 12:10:26 AM
The park continues to post up teaser clips of MRF running:
https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/236590617505521/
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: OutlawRun on March 09, 2020, 09:36:45 AM
Ride Engineers Switzerland posted an animation of Mystic River Falls recently on YouTube. The "elevator" looks really cool and efficient if it functions as seen in the animation.  MRF will be a blast! I'm sure we will have more fun than the riders in the animation!   :)

Here's the link to the animation:

https://youtu.be/lOx1E_LQnOI (https://youtu.be/lOx1E_LQnOI)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on March 09, 2020, 02:56:36 PM
That lift does look amazing, I sure hope it works that efficiently! Will be fun to overlook the ride as you ascend to the top too.

Also, the speed of the water in the videos from Silver Dollar City looks pretty exciting - no leisurely raft ride down the Mystic River.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on March 11, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
I was looking at video of the new restaurant and it appears to have metal siding. Kind of bums me out. The restaurant is very country contemporary looking. The video showed the light fixtures hanging from the foyer ceiling, and I didn't see 1880s anywhere. However, time marches on and the park has to accommodate over 2 million folk per year. Change must occur. The high quality is still there. I am chomping at the bit to get to see the new Rivertown area. Of course, I spent most of my time on park in that area at the diving bell, 1979-1984. Pretty much everything I remember in that part of the park has been wiped clean and all is new there. The only building original to the 1977 opening of the Deepwoods...later Riverfront...now Rivertown, is the old Wagon Works Barn, now called the White River Warehouse, which is adjacent to Tom and Huck's River Splash. March 17th is just a sneeze away. I'm excited about 2020 for SDC!


I agree. The metal siding appears to be a design change to save costs. It's still in theme and looks OK though.

This will only make sense to older SDC fans, but I'm also a little disappointed that the new ribhouse is so modern looking on the inside. From the video it looks like a lot of faux-rustic surfaces with plenty of bright lighting and lots of obvious fancy modern kitchen appliances. Some of this is unavoidable since you obviously need those appliances and it is a brand new modern building, but the old SDC way of doing things was to try as hard as possible not to take you out of the 1880-ish ambiance and now that isn't even a thought anymore. It's never been totally authentic, and obviously the whole park has always been very tough-in-cheek, but all the little things they used to do to hide technology added up and made the place more interesting even if it wasn't "real".

I know it's a topic that's been complained about many, many times on these boards, but some of the changes this year are a step up from what we used to think was going too far.

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. Hardly anyone will notice that there has been a style change, and fewer will care or think it's a bad thing. For us old fans it continues to be hard to see the special ambiance of the city fade away into more generic-ness.

It also looks like the cinnamon bread is going to be a little different now? More like DW's version? Could just be the photo.

The city will keep evolving whether we like it or not. It just kind of sucks to see them slowly trending in the direction of making it more like a Cedar Fair park. There's still a lot of effort put into making it a great park at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on April 02, 2020, 08:24:30 AM
Does anyone know if construction is continuing during this hiatus of life?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on April 02, 2020, 09:48:13 AM
Does anyone know if construction is continuing during this hiatus of life?

They should be.  there has been no mention of closing down constructions or materials suppliers.. (so I am still working),

BUT i feel like that is going to change very soon.. :-\


AND if they are they should be making huge progress with the public not in the way, they dont have to hide equipment, just keep moving forward with the job..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on April 02, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
In Oklahoma (and doing the billion dollar driving forward program) we've had two contractors close down because of the virus (one being a general and one as a sub-contractor). ODOT has provided us with directive if the contractors chose to close down because of the virus. So right now in Oklahoma, it's being left up to each construction company if they are closing or not.

I talked with a President of a large contractor and he said in Colorado their jobs have been closed.

On the job sites we are doing our best to maintain the rules provided by the state. The companies have even expanded their safety protocol testing workers for fever multiple times daily, having separation requirements, going to online meetings, and limiting personnel in field offices. I know my employees are using their phone for communication with the contractors and keeping their distance. A lot more digital documents for material tickets, deliveries, etc.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 02, 2020, 11:21:41 AM
Does anyone know if construction is continuing during this hiatus of life?

The issues a lot of sites are running into is not that they themselves are shutting down due to COVID, but the places they get supplies from (sheet metal, etc) are shut down.  So they cannot do anything until those reopen
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on April 02, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
In Oklahoma (and doing the billion dollar driving forward program) we've had two contractors close down because of the virus (one being a general and one as a sub-contractor). ODOT has provided us with directive if the contractors chose to close down because of the virus. So right now in Oklahoma, it's being left up to each construction company if they are closing or not.

I talked with a President of a large contractor and he said in Colorado their jobs have been closed.

On the job sites we are doing our best to maintain the rules provided by the state. The companies have even expanded their safety protocol testing workers for fever multiple times daily, having separation requirements, going to online meetings, and limiting personnel in field offices. I know my employees are using their phone for communication with the contractors and keeping their distance. A lot more digital documents for material tickets, deliveries, etc.

Jay

We had a company send us 43 seperate job quotes for machining work. We couldn't do them all if we wanted. We made a couple of calls to find out why we got bombarded and some of their suppliers have shut down voluntarily. If the Gov't is gonna pay above and beyond current pay on unemployment, whynot. We are pretty old school though and quoted double time pay factored in. We expect to actually get these jobs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 04, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
Does anyone know if construction is continuing during this hiatus of life?

Received confirmation that the ride is still being built.  They hope to have it ready to go for the parkís opening (whenever that might be). 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: OutlawRun on April 07, 2020, 11:39:14 AM
Excellent news!  Thanks, Swoosh!

-Tim
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 09, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
Butterfield Stage has a new home behind the tintype shop where the old photography wagon was.  They built a cover over it too.  It looks nice. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on April 10, 2020, 07:32:51 AM
Does anyone know if construction is continuing during this hiatus of life?

Received confirmation that the ride is still being built.  They hope to have it ready to go for the parkís opening (whenever that might be).


That what I figured,,,
 As long as they can get materials.
I am sure they have bulk of the ride onsite. The PTB at governement level will not shut down concrete plants (needed for infrastructure)

No reason for them not to be working on it.. 

Now,. if we could just "handle" this pandemic (whatever it is ::)), and get the park open!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
I heard you wanted an update on MRF.  While in cannot show you (thatís the rules from the park, sorry) I can tell you. 

The final drop is now installed.  It looks to be a little steeper than 45į.  The elevated section has not been installed yet.  The elevator section has also not been installed yet.  That fact makes me nervous that the ride wonít be ready when the park does open. 

Other things.  The color scheme of the whole area is bizarre.  The queue building that the drop goes through is a very bright yellow mustard color. Thereís a lot of bright olive green everywhere on the buildings (like not a dull army olive, itís bright).  Then thereís some random orange walls on the queue building.  The bridge over the ride for the entrance is also the bright olive green. The marquee for the ride appears to be a pile of boulder rocks and it will be located near that weird little stand at the exit (well basically between that and the bridge of the entrance queue). 

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: kbosch1 on April 13, 2020, 12:10:25 PM
So, based on your description it sounds like beach town colors
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
So, based on your description it sounds like beach town colors

The color scheme would fit in perfectly at White Water, yes
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on April 13, 2020, 01:59:05 PM
Why does this make me so very disappointed? Garish colors dont belong! But maybe it will look better in person? I hope....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2020, 03:46:09 PM
Iím hoping they weather down the colors, but theyíve already taken down the scaffolding so Iím not holding my breath
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on April 13, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
Is there anything that resembles tiki carvings?  It seems like there was something like that in the concept art.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on April 13, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
^ What were the other concepts besides Mystic River Falls?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on April 13, 2020, 04:27:36 PM
It's the current PR stuff that has the picture below.  Is this part of the Marble Cave concept???  It looks more like something that fits somewhere else.

(https://www.silverdollarcity.com/-/media/Images/HFE/SDC_COM/SDC/2020/SDC2020_MRF_Web_Ride-Spot-Row2.jpg?la=en)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2020, 05:32:06 PM
^I havenít personally seen any faces in the rocks, but that doesnít mean theyíre not there
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 13, 2020, 09:20:57 PM
Lol sounds like they had some leftover paint from the Geyser Gulch days and decided to repurpose it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
Lol sounds like they had some leftover paint from the Geyser Gulch days and decided to repurpose it.

No.  Geyser Gulch had more muted colors.  They were bright but not pure colors like this. (That might not make sense if you donít have an art background)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on April 13, 2020, 11:07:30 PM
Lol sounds like they had some leftover paint from the Geyser Gulch days and decided to repurpose it.

No.  Geyser Gulch had more muted colors.  They were bright but not pure colors like this. (That might not make sense if you donít have an art background)

I thought the same thing - that we just got rid of the garish colors in GG.  I think a bigger concern with GG was that that pastel color pallet was clearly from the 1980s.  The whole area was dated because of that.  Hopefully, purer colors will not suffer the same fate and date the area to the 2020s for decades to come.

If you look closely, some of those colors are present in the concept art - especially in the Smokehouse.  It doesn't seem overly garish but seems to tend to make it look more like a beach or a safari than a speleological expedition.  Of course, it would all look better with some distressing.

(https://www.silverdollarcity.com/-/media/Images/HFE/SDC_COM/SDC/2020/SDC2020_MRF_Web_Ride-Spot-Row6.jpg?la=en)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 14, 2020, 11:48:55 AM
Lol sounds like they had some leftover paint from the Geyser Gulch days and decided to repurpose it.

No.  Geyser Gulch had more muted colors.  They were bright but not pure colors like this. (That might not make sense if you donít have an art background)

I thought the same thing - that we just got rid of the garish colors in GG.  I think a bigger concern with GG was that that pastel color pallet was clearly from the 1980s.  The whole area was dated because of that.  Hopefully, purer colors will not suffer the same fate and date the area to the 2020s for decades to come.

If you look closely, some of those colors are present in the concept art - especially in the Smokehouse.  It doesn't seem overly garish but seems to tend to make it look more like a beach or a safari than a speleological expedition.  Of course, it would all look better with some distressing.

(https://www.silverdollarcity.com/-/media/Images/HFE/SDC_COM/SDC/2020/SDC2020_MRF_Web_Ride-Spot-Row6.jpg?la=en)

Get ready for some Jimmy Buffett background music, amirite?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on April 14, 2020, 12:06:33 PM


Get ready for some Jimmy Buffett background music, amirite?  ;D
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Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on April 14, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
Lol sounds like they had some leftover paint from the Geyser Gulch days and decided to repurpose it.

LOL! I was about to post this myself. It's been too long since SDC nuts have been able to complain about paint colors.

Meh, I used up what little care I had left about the decor on the new modernistic interiors and starbucks coming to the park. It is what it is I guess. Lot of designers working on things at SDC that have probably never even been to Missouri. They want it to look fresh and modern with a rustic feel, not hill-billy rustic like the park used to be. That's OK, at least it's still a much better experience all around than any of the other parks.

I can sit here all day and happily critique designer choices, but at the same time I don't actually care and can't wait to finally get back and have some fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on April 15, 2020, 07:12:49 AM

I can sit here all day and happily critique designer choices, but at the same time I don't actually care and can't wait to finally get back and have some fun.

I couldnt agree more..   

Isnt that the bottom line? We still enjoy it no matter what they do?

And after all, isnt that why we critique the little details so much, Because way down inside we all love SDC and Probably would rather be there then anyplace else......   (especially right now!! LOL)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on April 15, 2020, 08:38:05 AM
But little by little the modern world is creeping in like a virus eventually making SDC just like any other place. Which is fine, they have to keep up or pack up. Will I still go? Not as much as I once did. Buying SP will not be a yearly event anymore. No matter what color they slap on the place, it will still be the same kind of fun. I mean, a red chair sits the same as a blue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on April 15, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
It's been too long since SDC nuts have been able to complain about paint colors.

So... like Time Traveler? Yeah I vividly remember the complaining about the stain color
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on May 12, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
Anyone been through Branson lately? I'm wondering if they ever got the elevator done. Mystic River would be open or about ready to open by now, presumably, if things had gone to plan. I know there were some delays both due to general construction issues and from shipping parts over from Europe (seems to happen every time no matter what). Not a lot of people left at the city right now though after all the furloughs and layoffs...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 12, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
Anyone been through Branson lately? I'm wondering if they ever got the elevator done. Mystic River would be open or about ready to open by now, presumably, if things had gone to plan. I know there were some delays both due to general construction issues and from shipping parts over from Europe (seems to happen every time no matter what). Not a lot of people left at the city right now though after all the furloughs and layoffs...

Plus, the weather seems to be paused in the cold cycle right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 15, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
I'm very skeptical of this rumor but I've been told by two different people now who claim to work at the park that while everyone was furloughed they went ahead and sent in a 2nd crew to begin the process of dismantling FITH ahead of schedule. Again I'd take this with a grain of salt but if anyone else has any word on it I'd like to know for sure. I find it crazy that the park would quietly do something like that for such an iconic ride. Yes I know they did that with Lost River, but it wasn't anywhere near as iconic as FITH. Heck even Geyser Gulch got a sendoff before it was dismantled.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on May 15, 2020, 03:32:07 PM
^ I wouldn't think they would do that right (hopefully) before the season opens unless it has developed a serious issue.  Or worse, they decided not to open at all this year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 15, 2020, 04:53:54 PM
In many ways it would make sense to take advantage of the situation.

They wouldn't have to shield the work from the public right now.  They could work around the clock.  They could make all the noise they want.  They could pay some people who may need the work.

It depends on how much capital they would want to spend in such a down time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 15, 2020, 05:30:17 PM
I'm guessing that's going to be the location of the new Princess-of-the-Ozarks Castle, integrating with the Mystic River as part of its moat. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on May 15, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
^ Don't give them any ideas  :)

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 15, 2020, 06:08:36 PM
If they did want to dismantle at this time, from what the website shows, they have plenty of time if they keep at it. June has changed from showing hours to TBD..... Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 15, 2020, 06:14:32 PM
It could be where the new valet parking garage will be located.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on May 15, 2020, 06:22:38 PM
There were rumors that they would start on the supposed FITH replacement project as early as this year, but I somehow doubt they would be taking the old ride down now... Anything is possible though, you really never know with the PTB at SDC these days. I would have assumed that all capital projects that weren't being finished when this began are now on hold.

We'll have to keep our ears to the ground, but I wouldn't freak out yet. Unless the building failed code or something, it would be a bad look to take it out before people get their last rides in.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 15, 2020, 06:46:09 PM
There were rumors that they would start on the supposed FITH replacement project as early as this year, but I somehow doubt they would be taking the old ride down now... Anything is possible though, you really never know with the PTB at SDC these days. I would have assumed that all capital projects that weren't being finished when this began are now on hold.

We'll have to keep our ears to the ground, but I wouldn't freak out yet. Unless the building failed code or something, it would be a bad look to take it out before people get their last rides in.

It really doesn't follow the HFE pattern.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 15, 2020, 08:06:06 PM
After talking with a few that would know (and this was news to them) itís possible that the structural integrity of the building might have finally got to the point where it couldnít be ďfixedĒ with bubble gum, duct tape and c-clamps anymore.  If thatís the case, then the rumor could very well be viable. 

If and when FITH leaves, donít expect a newer version of FITH to replace it.  Donít set yourself up for that kind of heartbreak when you are presented with the truth. 

Also keep an eye on TNT in the next few years.  If you like the ride get as many laps in as you can while itís still here
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on May 16, 2020, 05:30:17 AM
I have really been hoping they would just fix the bump....

Guessing repair cost/benefit ratio did not come out in the rides favor?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on May 16, 2020, 10:32:16 AM
If they can replace LROTO with a similar ride they can do the same thing with others such as FITH and T-N-T.  Do it SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I don't think SDC is going to rush to replace all this stuff at once. TNT can be repaired easily enough. That ride is both popular, reliable, and efficient. It would be stupid to get rid of it right now when there are so many other things to deal with.

Surely the FITH replacement is still in the works on some kind of timeline, even if it is delayed a couple years. It's hard to imagine SDC without either classic indoor attraction and nothing new to replace them. The PTB is aware of how popular these rides are, how important it is to have some indoor attractions that are open during Christmas, and the appeal of having some great thematic rides in the line-up that are beyond anything at SF/CF. I'm sure the crisis will delay funding a bit, but surely they will still eventually build a new FITH at least.

I really question SDC's cost benefit analysis sometimes. I know getting ROI out of an amusement park is a seriously tough puzzle much of the time, but a bit of preventative maintenance would have kept the classics going indefinitely. I really hope this rumor ends up being false and we get a few more seasons out of FITH until the economy recovers.


Also, am I missing something, or is the park being oddly quiet about Mystic River? Would love to see more teasers/updates.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 18, 2020, 12:47:44 PM
I have wondered that as well but also had the thought of why tease something that isnt going to open in time for the summer hours? They might have an idea of when they are going to open, like the fall, when its not feasible to run this ride? Or maybe they are waiting to see how the bigger parks do on reopening before themselves opening?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jaykethekid on May 18, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
It's either that or simply because their PR team may not actually be on site since it may not be considered an absolutely essential job.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Coaster on May 19, 2020, 09:34:17 PM
Fire in the Hole is still listed on the website. If I remember correctly, LROTO was quietly removed from the website without an announcement of its closing prior to the season. I find it hard to believe that HFE would close THIS attraction without any sendoff whatsoever. It's one of the originals. No matter its current poor condition, I agree with Shave that the park does recognize the importance of the attraction and it will have a proper sendoff.

We'll just have to wait and see what the future holds for so many of these projects. I'd imagine that the pandemic has delayed several projects by years at this point. The promotion of MRF on social media coming to a screeching halt tells me that the PTB just don't have enough information to tell the public anything at this point. Time will tell.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
Letís be honest, other than a Bible verse on Sundays and a few recipes, their PR during the shut down has been non existent.  While other parks are posting POV videos, coloring sheets, bingo... SDC has done nothing.  Really embarrassing to be honest
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2020, 11:04:18 PM
Letís be honest, other than a Bible verse on Sundays and a few recipes, their PR during the shut down has been non existent.  While other parks are posting POV videos, coloring sheets, bingo... SDC has done nothing.  Really embarrassing to be honest

I totally agree.  I follow lots of history museums and the like, and they post constantly.  It's not hard to find material that they could be covering to keep their logo and positivity in front of the public.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 20, 2020, 12:34:51 AM
The lack of MRF teasers as Swoosh and Shave mentioned is really surprising unless the ride construction got delayed and they are trying to avoid backlash if they went and announced that the ride will take longer to complete as it would be bad for PR right now as they will be wanting to do whatever they can to get people back into the park when they do open to the public.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on May 20, 2020, 06:28:46 AM
Letís be honest, other than a Bible verse on Sundays and a few recipes, their PR during the shut down has been non existent.  While other parks are posting POV videos, coloring sheets, bingo... SDC has done nothing.  Really embarrassing to be honest

I totally agree.  I follow lots of history museums and the like, and they post constantly.  It's not hard to find material that they could be covering to keep their logo and positivity in front of the public.

I bet the social media person was one of the first to be fuloughed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2020, 09:49:42 AM
The lack of MRF teasers as Swoosh and Shave mentioned is really surprising unless the ride construction got delayed and they are trying to avoid backlash if they went and announced that the ride will take longer to complete as it would be bad for PR right now as they will be wanting to do whatever they can to get people back into the park when they do open to the public.

Itís still being worked on.  In fact before the last set of furloughs, the only thing left to build was the elevator and elevated section.  The drop was already in place and most of the faÁades were already installed and painted
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2020, 09:52:35 AM
Letís be honest, other than a Bible verse on Sundays and a few recipes, their PR during the shut down has been non existent.  While other parks are posting POV videos, coloring sheets, bingo... SDC has done nothing.  Really embarrassing to be honest

I totally agree.  I follow lots of history museums and the like, and they post constantly.  It's not hard to find material that they could be covering to keep their logo and positivity in front of the public.

I bet the social media person was one of the first to be fuloughed.

Well Joey was the one that you always saw in the videos, but thereís a huge marketing team.  So not sure whatís going on
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on May 20, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Maybe they're keeping it underwraps because they think they can get it opened by the time they're able to do a soft opening? I'm sure if they do a soft opening and announce that MRF will be open when reservations (assuming that's what they're doing) start that it'll boost attendance and the number of reservations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on May 20, 2020, 06:53:12 PM
^ Those are the rumors I've been hearing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 20, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
Can someone explain the reservation system? If we have to have half capacity and I am assuming that puts it around 12,500 give or take.....that is not a huge number to pack in. With SDC being mostly outdoor I am not sure if they have different limits but again this is assumption, many would get turned away. Right? Would it also be hard to get in based solely on a reservation type system? Its not a year round park and opening later means less days to visit. I would be especially upset if I was a SP holder and was unable to get in because every day I could go was booked. Or if you wanted to visit as a non SP but only had a small window during the summer and you could not because its booked. Again these are all assumptions. I dont go to the big year round parks so I am utterly clueless on much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on May 21, 2020, 08:38:13 AM
I read a report that Holiday World isn't requiring reservations of season pass holders. Only non-season pass holders will have to make a reservation.

I don't know what path SDC will take, but I would have to imagine that season pass holders will get priority admission.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there a lot of regular summer operating days where attendance doesn't hit 12,500? Fall and Christmas is another story...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2020, 08:49:43 AM
There's been no mention of a reservation system for SDC that I know of.

It is often pretty light crowds during summer. I remember coming one random weekend last summer and being able to marathon Time Traveler because it was a walk-on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
That is good to hear. But I think it would be wise to implement a reservation system now, so it will be normal when it is needed in the fall and Christmas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2020, 07:37:01 PM
Have you seen this weird animation of MRF yet?
https://youtu.be/lOx1E_LQnOI
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on May 27, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Have you seen this weird animation of MRF yet?
https://youtu.be/lOx1E_LQnOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m47QDfWvNM4&feature=share

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 10:07:09 PM
Have you seen this weird animation of MRF yet?
https://youtu.be/lOx1E_LQnOI

'Twould be nice if they spell m-a-r-b-l-e correctly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2020, 11:19:30 PM
Iím sure it got lost in translation considering the company is European
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 11:41:49 PM
Iím sure it got lost in translation considering the company is European

Yes, I get that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 28, 2020, 12:13:11 PM
Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on May 28, 2020, 01:35:55 PM
Through official or unofficial contacts? (Just curious)

Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 28, 2020, 02:56:35 PM
Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!

Glad to hear! The ride deserves better than to be quietly removed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 28, 2020, 04:20:25 PM
Official

Through official or unofficial contacts? (Just curious)

Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on May 28, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
Awesome, thank you!


Official

Through official or unofficial contacts? (Just curious)

Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on May 28, 2020, 08:59:15 PM
If we ever get to go back I am probably going to ride the crap out of that ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 01, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Hmmm, so Mystic River Falls isn't ready in mid June... I have heard that the elevator wasn't even in place as of a few weeks ago. Seems like 99% of the ride and area is ready to go, except for the one important lynch pin that we were worried about. Sigh, at least it will be next year's new ride too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Correct.  MRF will not be open anytime soon.  The elevator has not been built yet.  They have been doing some raft tests on the final drop but even that needs some adjustments still. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Preachin_Bill on June 02, 2020, 12:13:19 PM
Just got word from the park that Fire in the Hole is still standing and will be operating!

Glad to hear! The ride deserves better than to be removed!

Fixed it for you.

Great news.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on June 02, 2020, 02:00:18 PM
I like the fact that the video featuring Brad Thomas announcing the COVID-19 guidelines was filmed in front of the nearly completed Mystic River Falls.  Looks great!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 12, 2020, 06:14:43 PM
Brad Thomas released another Teaser Photo of MRF over on Twitter, looks like the lift might be done or very close to being. https://twitter.com/BradThomasMO/status/1271543126931406849?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaVtuWIWoAUYsMJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 12, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
The wider horse bridge looks good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 12, 2020, 06:30:20 PM
From their walkthrough video, it also looks like a new small entertainment area is on the hillside behind cokes and floats.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on June 13, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
The wider horse bridge looks good.

Does it still have the sound effects and that little window/building thing at the beginning of it with the sign of what different types of traveling costs?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on June 13, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
Yes there is some sort of stage area back behind the float place. And no, no sound effects on the bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 13, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
Fire in the Hole and Flooded Mine both looked better than in the past. Almost everything seemed to be working in the Flooded Mine.
Cinnamon bread was good as always. The lemon blueberry cookies were also great. However, our new favorite thing in the park was the new cinnamon bread bread pudding at the Smokehouse. It was amazing. The other food was also good there. The portions were a great size. My wife and I split the 2 meat meal and it was plenty.
Overall a great first day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on June 14, 2020, 08:54:30 PM
I did not go into the new rib house because the line was out the door.  From what I could see of the menu board it looked like they were serving a limited menu. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 15, 2020, 08:15:10 AM
Brad Thomas released another Teaser Photo of MRF over on Twitter, looks like the lift might be done or very close to being. https://twitter.com/BradThomasMO/status/1271543126931406849?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaVtuWIWoAUYsMJ?format=jpg&name=large)

Excellent! I was worried the parts may have been held up in Europe. Perhaps it will open next month after all?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on June 15, 2020, 08:56:12 AM
Is the elevator lift supposed to have a building or covering over/around it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2020, 10:06:55 AM
I was struggling to figure out what could be missing from the elevator lift. It would be very cool if it is complete or near complete.

A conversation I had in line at Fire in the Hole was that SDC may be shooting for the end of July as a open date.

Take that for what it is. I heard it from a guest who talked to an employee.

At any rate it is better than nothing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 15, 2020, 02:07:20 PM
I can't remember if this has already been mentioned here or not, but the walkway will connect to the Fireman's Landing bathroom area from Mystic River Falls. So the walkway will go all the way around the lake area now and not be a dead end. You can see it form the train... I just didn't have my phone out to get a picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 15, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
Heres a short clip of it testing: https://twitter.com/BradThomasMO/status/1271996609073754115
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on June 15, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
From what I could tell it sure looked like the entire lift structure was complete, but I cant say for certain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 15, 2020, 08:57:59 PM
This video shows the elevator working and testing of rafts. I wasnít expecting quite the spin that it gets going before it gets to the drop. It spins more than Time Traveler. 🤣 Maybe it wonít spin so much in the end with more weight.

https://youtu.be/C5HBd5VmU20
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on June 15, 2020, 10:08:19 PM
This video shows the elevator working and testing of rafts. I wasnít expecting quite the spin that it gets going before it gets to the drop. It spins more than Time Traveler. 🤣 Maybe it wonít spin so much in the end with more weight.

https://youtu.be/C5HBd5VmU20

Looking good...  thats quite a lift system.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SingleRider on June 17, 2020, 12:15:23 AM
Today was a good day at the park despite the reduced ride capacity and masks, which I didnít personally find to be too bad. Lines were mostly short. I managed to get the following footage of MRF being tested, and as I was filming, Terry Wayne Sanders (dressed as the undertaker) walked by, noticed me filming, and confirmed that the ride should be opening in about three weeks. Hereís the link to the video I compiled for anyone interested. Considering this is my first post here, I hope Iíve made it a good one thatís worth your time.  :)

https://youtu.be/aOh0t-nMvd0
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on June 17, 2020, 09:47:11 AM
Wow that is some amazing test footage. That spot where looking at the main drop head on might just end up being my new favorite spot in the park haha. Also, if what that emplyee said is true, it'll be open by the time i end up going down there :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Gilligan on June 17, 2020, 08:19:19 PM
This video shows the elevator working and testing of rafts. I wasnít expecting quite the spin that it gets going before it gets to the drop. It spins more than Time Traveler. 🤣 Maybe it wonít spin so much in the end with more weight.

https://youtu.be/C5HBd5VmU20

Those crayon colors!  Yikes!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
This video shows the elevator working and testing of rafts. I wasnít expecting quite the spin that it gets going before it gets to the drop. It spins more than Time Traveler. 🤣 Maybe it wonít spin so much in the end with more weight.

https://youtu.be/C5HBd5VmU20

Those crayon colors!  Yikes!

See.  I told you.  Wasnít kidding was I? 
Now all we need is some Jimmy Buffett playing over the speakers
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 17, 2020, 11:05:34 PM
Yeah the color palette is jarring. I had seen that SirWillow also mentioned in his trip report video that they were playing Southern Jazz music around the BBQ place which was a bit off putting for SDC's atmosphere and for the restaurant. I'd kinda have to agree with that. It seems like they are going for a New Orleans theme for the area but that in itself would only make sense if they plan to expand the menu with actual cajun gumbo and seafood options. (Unless this is what they are hinting at eventually adding with the Rivertown theme?)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pudgy Jones on June 18, 2020, 11:28:10 AM
Whoever is in charge of picking out the music in the City these days needs to find a new gig.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 21, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
MYSTIC RIVER FALLS
PHOTO UPDATE

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nHmqXcfK9c4/Xu-IokPPWtI/AAAAAAAA5BI/hvO4Jq5YZzE9aIt8mvLfxDLITgTahU_uACLcBGAsYHQ/s400/6.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 21, 2020, 12:36:23 PM
SMOKEHOUSE PHOTO UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dSYY1HsAapM/Xu-Waq1_QyI/AAAAAAAA5D4/DyWDTxzJRGAJc0lKzurUrMu9iNB9kFkYQCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/IMG_5086.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 21, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
CLARA BELLE'S CINNAMON
BREAD PHOTO UPDATE

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/clara-belles-cinnamon-bread-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hgOBPFCtvtc/Xu-b_Hhwo7I/AAAAAAAA5FI/wzTh8ANIDSE-hYmxasyKtH5jbRgzvwD2gCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/IMG_5237.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on June 21, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
Excellent pictures and reports as always, Swoosh!  Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 21, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Lots of Mystic River Falls testing happening today. It was much more consistent and continual like normal operations than what we saw earlier.

Videos of rotating lift, raft in channel, approach to the drop and the drop.
 https://www.facebook.com/34311470/posts/10105518456101874/
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on June 21, 2020, 11:38:32 PM
Let's get some theming on that monstrosity!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 22, 2020, 12:07:35 AM
SMOKEHOUSE PHOTO UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html

Today they had 4 kinds of BBQ sauce; original, honey, sweet & spicy and spicy.

The roll was added after opening. The first day they were open they didnít include rolls.
Today they also had turkey. They didnít have it opening day or Thursday. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on June 22, 2020, 07:10:04 AM
All good pics of course..

Good videos too..   

Be good to see when every thing is open and running..

Swoosh... How much was the meal,  looks tasty..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2020, 08:20:36 AM
Swoosh... How much was the meal,  looks tasty..

$19.25 including the drink refill
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on June 22, 2020, 08:30:53 AM
Lots of Mystic River Falls testing happening today. It was much more consistent and continual like normal operations than what we saw earlier.

Videos of rotating lift, raft in channel, approach to the drop and the drop.
 https://www.facebook.com/34311470/posts/10105518456101874/

Looks like they got that spinning on the elevated channel under control. Thats awesome to see!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 22, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
The sound has returned to the bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
Just so the update wonít get buried on the previous page for those who havenít seen them yet

SMOKEHOUSE PHOTO UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/rivertown-smokehouse-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dSYY1HsAapM/Xu-Waq1_QyI/AAAAAAAA5D4/DyWDTxzJRGAJc0lKzurUrMu9iNB9kFkYQCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/IMG_5086.JPG)
CLARA BELLE'S CINNAMON
BREAD PHOTO UPDATE

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/clara-belles-cinnamon-bread-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hgOBPFCtvtc/Xu-b_Hhwo7I/AAAAAAAA5FI/wzTh8ANIDSE-hYmxasyKtH5jbRgzvwD2gCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/IMG_5237.JPG)
MYSTIC RIVER FALLS
PHOTO UPDATE

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nHmqXcfK9c4/Xu-IokPPWtI/AAAAAAAA5BI/hvO4Jq5YZzE9aIt8mvLfxDLITgTahU_uACLcBGAsYHQ/s400/6.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Gilligan on June 22, 2020, 11:11:29 AM
The sound has returned to the bridge.


Great news!  I love that bridge and the sound!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on June 22, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
The sound has returned to the bridge.


Great news!  I love that bridge and the sound!  ;D

Thats good to "hear"........ ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on June 22, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
Let's get some theming on that monstrosity!

looking back at the renderings of the ride, it looks like there was a very small building at the top of the lift, but that was it. The supports were painted green for the flume and lift, but nothing else was shown to be done.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 22, 2020, 03:43:16 PM
Let's get some theming on that monstrosity!

looking back at the renderings of the ride, it looks like there was a very small building at the top of the lift, but that was it. The supports were painted green for the flume and lift, but nothing else was shown to be done.

Jay
Yes, from the art it looks like there is also supposed to be a big pulley with the little building. In person, the thing that stood out the most to me was the actual elevated flume. From the concept art, it looks like there is wooded cladding on it. Hopefully these details didn't get completely cut from the budget.

I also don't think that the colors seem as bright in person. I'm sure that they will also fade some in the first few years.

(https://www.silverdollarcity.com/-/media/Images/HFE/SDC_COM/SDC/Landing-Pages/2020/Heroes/SDC2020_MRF_Web_Rivertown-image_Mobile.jpg?h=500&w=750&la=en&hash=590591562F2EE8C60E3921269B05731B)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on June 22, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
The sound has returned to the bridge.

They really need to put the sign back up telling how the bridge collapsed, in February 1887 I think, as a posse was chasing Baldknobbers and if you listen closely you can still hear the posse's horses.  That way newbies would know why they hear the sound of horses crossing the bridge.  That sign would be very easy to do again if they don't have the original.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on June 22, 2020, 07:08:16 PM
The sound has returned to the bridge.

I am glad it is back
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on June 23, 2020, 08:23:59 AM

Yes, from the art it looks like there is also supposed to be a big pulley with the little building. In person, the thing that stood out the most to me was the actual elevated flume. From the concept art, it looks like there is wooded cladding on it. Hopefully these details didn't get completely cut from the budget.


Makes the tower look sorta like the headhouse over a mine shaft, I suppose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Obviousdramatic on June 23, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
The sound has returned to the bridge.

They really need to put the sign back up telling how the bridge collapsed, in February 1887 I think, as a posse was chasing Baldknobbers and if you listen closely you can still hear the posse's horses.  That way newbies would know why they hear the sound of horses crossing the bridge.  That sign would be very easy to do again if they don't have the original.

I highly doubt that they will put that sign up again. The reason? It would hurt someones feelings because of the Baldknobber history. I am surprised they have not removed it from Fire in the Hole as of yet. White men in hoods (in a historical sense) just dont do well in todays Zoomer standards.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on June 23, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
The colors don't bother me:  those colors did exist in the period.

The African-expedition-style boats are more of a problem with the theme, but still, they don't clash too terribly.

If I were a betting man, I might wager that the pulley gets left off of the final product.  Now that I said that, it is sure to be installed...and that's why I'm not a betting man.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on June 24, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
The reason? It would hurt someones feelings because of the Baldknobber history. I am surprised they have not removed it from Fire in the Hole as of yet. White men in hoods (in a historical sense) just dont do well in todays Zoomer standards.

Yeah, I'm just gonna stop you right there. Being a "zoomer" myself, there is a vast difference between the Baldknobbers and the Klu Klux Klan during that time period. The Baldknobbers were vigilantes. They opposed corruption in local governments, aided local law enforcement, etc. Compared to the KKK, who were about white supremacy in the 1880's and still are to this day about that. We have every right to be pissed off about the KKK and how they are still around. So yeah, the KKK doesn't do well in "today's zoomer standards" because of what they have done (lynchings, mobs, murders, against anyone who wasn't white) and the fact that they are still around today. I don't think any "zoomers" mind the Baldknobbers at SDC, especially the ones who grew up in the area and understand what they did.


Anyway, as for the sign, I've never saw the sign about the collapse, so that is new to me. I always thought you were supposed to imagine horses below you, or something like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on June 24, 2020, 10:14:48 PM
The reason? It would hurt someones feelings because of the Baldknobber history. I am surprised they have not removed it from Fire in the Hole as of yet. White men in hoods (in a historical sense) just dont do well in todays Zoomer standards.

Yeah, I'm just gonna stop you right there. Being a "zoomer" myself, there is a vast difference between the Baldknobbers and the Klu Klux Klan during that time period.

We live in an age where mobs are tearing down statues of abolitionists because they're outraged about slaveowners.

I wouldn't expect a careful academic examination of the differences between baldknobbers and klansmen.

C'mon... protestors painted swastikas on John Brown, fer cryin' out loud!

https://www.kansascity.com/latest-news/article205780714.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on June 25, 2020, 06:46:32 AM
I highly doubt that they will put that sign up again. The reason? It would hurt someones feelings because of the Baldknobber history. I am surprised they have not removed it from Fire in the Hole as of yet. White men in hoods (in a historical sense) just dont do well in todays Zoomer standards.


SHHH!!!!   don type that too loud,  I had not even thought of that..

Just wait though,
somebody will be "offended",
they will yank all the signage park wide and repaint the whole park in pastel colors.. :o :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on June 25, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
The reason? It would hurt someones feelings because of the Baldknobber history. I am surprised they have not removed it from Fire in the Hole as of yet. White men in hoods (in a historical sense) just dont do well in todays Zoomer standards.

Yeah, I'm just gonna stop you right there. Being a "zoomer" myself, there is a vast difference between the Baldknobbers and the Klu Klux Klan during that time period.

We live in an age where mobs are tearing down statues of abolitionists because they're outraged about slaveowners.

I wouldn't expect a careful academic examination of the differences between baldknobbers and klansmen.

C'mon... protestors painted swastikas on John Brown, fer cryin' out loud!

https://www.kansascity.com/latest-news/article205780714.html

Tucker Carlson nailed this last night. It is the product of our public education system and nearly any teaching of history in any depth and a complete lack of civics.

Trigger warning for lefties

https://youtu.be/kRwQd67tGQ4
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on June 25, 2020, 10:11:08 AM
Don't let the higher education mavens off the hook:  what passes for college education today is a national tragedy.  I say that as an insider struggling against the system.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 25, 2020, 01:12:18 PM
Let's not make the mistake of getting too political again.

Yes, it sucks that baldknobbers may get misunderstood these days, but with everything going on it is probably better to be cautious. Perhaps one day they can be better represented without the cloud of everything that is going on right now.

Coronavirus is spiking heavily. Whatever the lockdown bought us is quickly running out. I don't think everything will shut down again, but at this point who knows... At some point it's going to really roll through Tulsa/NWA/Branson just like it did NYC and now Houston. It's great that it's not as deadly as previously thought, but it still causes plenty of problems for a lot of people. The hope for getting back to normal in time for pumpkin fest is kind of waning, but it's still a long ways off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on June 25, 2020, 02:06:16 PM
It does seem odd that were talking about baldknobbers being misunderstood... :)

At some point might be now because the Joplin area has become one of the nation's leading hot spots over the past week or so.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on June 25, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Let's not make the mistake of getting too political again.

Yes, it sucks that baldknobbers may get misunderstood these days, but with everything going on it is probably better to be cautious. Perhaps one day they can be better represented without the cloud of everything that is going on right now.

Coronavirus is spiking heavily. Whatever the lockdown bought us is quickly running out. I don't think everything will shut down again, but at this point who knows... At some point it's going to really roll through Tulsa/NWA/Branson just like it did NYC and now Houston. It's great that it's not as deadly as previously thought, but it still causes plenty of problems for a lot of people. The hope for getting back to normal in time for pumpkin fest is kind of waning, but it's still a long ways off.

In reality I doubt  that anyone outside the immediate Branson area has any clue what a Baldknobber is or was. Its not like they were a defining moment in American history. Just a local vigilante group.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on June 25, 2020, 03:05:15 PM
Baldknobbers:  a vigilante group, dissatisfied with local law enforcement, burning structures and attacking people with whom they disagree

I know there's more to it, but it does sound relevant and worthy of study.  I love the educational side to the old attractions at SDC.  Unfortunately, they don't exploit that side of things any more - not that they ever did so with much intention, but still...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 25, 2020, 06:23:54 PM
At some point might be now because the Joplin area has become one of the nation's leading hot spots over the past week or so.

The NW Arkansas area is also being hit hard. Another huge source of Tourism Dollars for the Branson area. They even enacted a Temp city ordinance requiring masks in public in Fayetteville here for the foreseeable future. I expect Branson will get a spike pretty soon from all the people traveling from down here who may or may not be exposed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on June 25, 2020, 09:36:25 PM
You absolutely can not believe anything the media reports these days.  They are focused on a spike in new cases, but fail to report the death rate is dropping.  What does this tell us? That is is ridiculous all the panic that has happened.  Yes people will get it but it is not a deadly end of the world thing the media is making it out to be.  As far as idiots these days, this is the generation that were raised by time out mommies.  Before that, kids got their A** beat at school and home if they acted up.  They paid consequences and were better for it.  Then parents were afraid of getting DHS called on them so they did not do it, or did not believe it it because it was "cruel".  There is a big difference between beating your kids rear end (aka, spanking) and child abuse. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on June 25, 2020, 09:38:02 PM
On other thing, I was in line at FITH behind some folks who spotted one of the baldnobbers pictures up on the wall and were giving each other looks and pointing like they were thinking it was some KKK thing.  Pure ignorance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on June 25, 2020, 10:43:20 PM
At some point might be now because the Joplin area has become one of the nation's leading hot spots over the past week or so.

The NW Arkansas area is also being hit hard. Another huge source of Tourism Dollars for the Branson area. They even enacted a Temp city ordinance requiring masks in public in Fayetteville here for the foreseeable future. I expect Branson will get a spike pretty soon from all the people traveling from down here who may or may not be exposed.

Well, I can tell you that the city ordinance in Fayetteville is toothless and loosely enforced with the onus put on the businesses. They ain't wanting to piss off anyone right now. The City Attorney told them it would never stand up to court challenge  The rise has leveled off a bit, it did hit the Marshallese community hard and Hispanics as well. Marshallese are known to have a high rate of health issues. It is like they are Mother Nature's punching bag. Nothing about this spike is slowing anything down. A big jump in the local numbers is yet another spike at an assisted living facility.

Here an example of some Wuflu deaths in state(from the Ark Dem Gazette)

Bobby May, 77 of Russellville died at St. Vincents in Little Rock.  His son says he had been in the hospital for 2 months.  " I do not believe he died of Covid. "  Says he had brain surgery  due to a brain infection.  He tested positive monday and is listed as a Covid death.  His medical history includes endocarditis, cardiac infection, hypertension and diabetes.   The son goes on to say "  After his brain surgery, he went down hill."


Yep,.a covid death. This is not an isolated thing.


With that said, tomorrow. Is my birthday and I struck a deal.with the wife. See gets  Pawhuska for mid day and we end up in Tulsa so I can hit up Marshall Brewing and Prairie Artisan for the night.

The plan was a two and a half week trip that included Yellowstone, black Hills ,Grand Tetons, SLC and Lagoon, oh well.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on June 25, 2020, 11:19:02 PM
Don't let the higher education mavens off the hook:  what passes for college education today is a national tragedy.  I say that as an insider struggling against the system.
I can definitely agree on that... Took college History 205/206 and we had to skim over most of history in the 1800's/early 1900's just to get to modern times in two semesters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on June 26, 2020, 08:37:42 AM
Pure ignorance.

More to the point, it's willful ignorance, and this problem lies near the heart of many of our social issues today.  "I only want to know what I *want* to know, not what some teacher thinks I need to know.  I am the arbiter of all things."

This problem is not related to a political ideology in the sense we use politics.  It is related to the ME ideology, the selfishness that is the heart and source of human problems.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jemmicat on June 26, 2020, 10:53:58 AM
In one of the few times I might agree with some of you on political type things, I think the teaching and learning of history has gone severely downhill since I graduated high school 30 years ago. And even though I often have thought that I knew quite a bit about history, I have learned in the last few years that I really don't know anything - especially about world history. I read a book recently taken from the journals of the US ambassador to Germany just before the war and was amazed at the things going on in the US at the time that I had no clue about.

I think the bigger problem here is that most everyone takes things at face value. Whether it be news or pictures of the baldknobbers or all of that. No one wants to do the leg work to understand. So they see (or hear) things they don't like and act without truly KNOWING or VERIFYING.

Honestly I am torn on so many things like the monument removal and even things like "injuns" from the old train ride script. I am part Cherokee... but I guess it never bothered me.

I guess I hope they don't change the signage and all on things at SDC (even though I'll probably never be there again). But might be nice to provide a context next to it. Say by the baldknobber painting in Fire In The Hole maybe give a short synopsis of who/what they are. At least at that point, the people don't have to do the leg work on the research... but still have to read. Which can also be a challenge to get people to do
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on June 26, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
I don't have time to split this topic, but I did start a new thread for this conversation:  http://www.sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=4181.msg81196#new (http://www.sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=4181.msg81196#new).
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 26, 2020, 12:09:07 PM
Thanks HB, I had forgotten that this was actually the 2020 ride thread, lol.

So since testing appears to be going decently, what is everyone's estimates on when it will open?

I'm assuming they want to get a good media/ticket boost from the opening and the current situation will set that back... maybe soft opening mid July and a grand opening event in September? At this point it will obviously be much more celebrated as next year's "new" ride, but I doubt they would keep it closed all year just to push off the opening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on June 26, 2020, 01:24:38 PM
I'm hoping July 9th or 10th since that's when we're scheduled to go  :D

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on June 26, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
Im hoping by July 25th cause thats the date i reserved to go haha
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 29, 2020, 07:48:37 AM
Looks like they are now teasing that it will open soon... Hope it is working well. At least they have this year to work out the kinks so it can be next years new ride, lol. Just like Time Traveler.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2020, 08:52:58 AM
Be on the lookout for soft opening later this week.  No guarantees that theyíll happen every day though
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 30, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
The building and pulley are up!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 30, 2020, 11:52:39 AM
Nice!

And fixed it for ya lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on June 30, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
Thanks. I guess that it doesnít know what to do with photos uploaded from phones.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on June 30, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
Nice! I love that they still added that extra bit of theming. I wonder if any of the trough will get covered like in the concept art as well? Either way, it's a nice looking area and that's a nice focal piece.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jaykethekid on June 30, 2020, 10:56:26 PM
That certainly helps make the elevator look a lot more full and complete, if you get what I mean. I'm not certain that the slide section of the drop will get the wood plank exterior like was shown in the concept art as I couldn't spot any brackets or mounts on it to mount such things. My real question is what they're gonna do with the area surrounding the base of the elevator lift. I took a peak at the area from the barn swing queue and plaza, and it was *very* bare. From what i saw, as you exit the end of the "mine shaft" tunnel section, you pull up onto a smaller lift that loads the rafts onto the elevator. After you exit that mine shaft, all there is to see is giant concrete walls and ride hardware. I'm hoping that they plan to cover that up with something as that would be a huge hole in the overall immersive ride experience. The least they could do is put up some wooden walls to make it fit the overall theme instead of it looking like some sort of infrastructure a city might build to control floods.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on July 01, 2020, 07:56:19 AM
Silver Dollar City just posted a teaser to their socials of a clip of one of the MRF rafts (with people aboard) going down the main drop. Should be opening REALLY soon!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2020, 02:36:27 PM
Construction walls are now down. 
Be on the lookout for soft openings soon
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 01, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
Might as well open with a bang.......maybe July 4th!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on July 01, 2020, 05:38:18 PM
SDC has been running commercials on TV here in the Tulsa area, saw 2 of them just this afternoon.  First I have seen this year.  They had clips on MRF with people riding it.  I assume they must be employees dressed as tourists.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDCisHome on July 01, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
SDC has been running commercials on TV here in the Tulsa area, saw 2 of them just this afternoon.  First I have seen this year.  They had clips on MRF with people riding it.  I assume they must be employees dressed as tourists.

The riders on MRF were employees. I have a friend who works at the park and some were asked if theyíd like to ride and check it out. Also for social media and commercial content.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 01, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Wonder when or if they are gonna bother with a public media event for the opening due to the social distancing restrictions from the virus. Just saw more pics posted on Facebook, including this one:

EDIT: Just saw the first commercial for the ride on TV with the people they filmed riding it. It is definitely opening very soon to the general public.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2020, 09:57:55 AM
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Wonder when or if they are gonna bother with a public media event for the opening due to the social distancing restrictions from the virus. Just saw more pics posted on Facebook, including this one:


Addressing the media event I believe SDC is in turn-style danger right now.  They have been sending out FB messages  "Make your reservations today, ALL dates available....even this afternoon"  I suspect they are not getting anywhere near 6000 a day. Realistically I dont believe they can afford to delay the opening for a media day.  I am sure they will have some media event but they will open ASAP just to attract the crowds. They have lost a lot of time this year already including the delay of MR because of construction slowdowns.  Open that ride and flood Social Media with enticing adds will probably be the plan.   Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 02, 2020, 10:50:21 AM
Yeah thats what I meant. They are doing a good job building up hype on their social media accounts but they are likely hurting for attendance as I know a lot of people were disappointed its not open yet and that is playing a role in the reduced numbers. (along with all the complaints about wearing masks) However doing a big media spectacle for its opening would definately help entice people to get over it and get them in the gate.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on July 02, 2020, 02:13:47 PM
Going tomorrow!  Hoping the need some Guinea pigs!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on July 03, 2020, 08:22:20 AM
The work fence has been removed along Firemanís Landing and the ride plaza area. There isnít a ride marquee yet. There are multiple bubbling rock fountains in the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on July 03, 2020, 08:25:45 AM
Going tomorrow!  Hoping the need some Guinea pigs!

LOL/  !!  good luck!!    PICS!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 03, 2020, 03:03:17 PM
At the entry way at MRF... Kinda scratching my head on this theming design. These locker/dryer booths and doors look like it came straight out of Star Trek. Or is it a tie-in to Time Traveler? lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Dewayne on July 03, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
😍😍😍 Amazing!!! Those are my favorite type of lockers! They used to have those dryers at Riverblast, but they were taken out after about a year. I rarely saw anyone ever use those dryers though. The dryers costed at least $3 back then. Most people know that Wildfire is a great way to dry off for free. Because of this, I think that 2 dryers is a bit too many. I doubt they would have a line if they had just 1 dryer. But I still love it!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2020, 07:13:03 PM
😍😍😍 Amazing!!! Those are my favorite type of lockers! They used to have those dryers at Riverblast, but they were taken out after about a year. I rarely saw anyone ever use those dryers though. The dryers costed at least $3 back then. Most people know that Wildfire is a great way to dry off for free. Because of this, I think that 2 dryers is a bit too many. I doubt they would have a line if they had just 1 dryer. But I still love it!

The one at RB was too concealed.  They probably learned from that, and that's the reason these are so in-our-faces.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on July 04, 2020, 10:42:10 AM
I'll start out by saying that we have never actually used lockers, but are all of the lockers throughout the park upgraded this year? They are all the same style as what is at the entrance to Mystic River Falls.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on July 04, 2020, 03:21:01 PM
And.....we missed it by 24 hours. They are letting riders on today.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 04, 2020, 04:38:42 PM
And.....we missed it by 24 hours. They are letting riders on today.

Yeah I had a feeling. I was there yesterday too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 04, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
And.....we missed it by 24 hours. They are letting riders on today.

Yeah I had a feeling. I was there yesterday too.

Are you sure? Because Iím hearing otherwise
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 05, 2020, 11:42:30 AM
^ There are posts from guests on SDC's Facebook page that they were invited to ride yesterday.  I know that doesn't make it official but still...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jaykethekid on July 05, 2020, 12:05:21 PM
That, and there is already another person posting in SDC's passholder group on facebook that they rode this morning. It seems that they're only letting roughly 50 people in line, and even that doesn't guarantee a ride as a lot of people towards the end of the line have been saying that the ride often shuts back down before they can board. I'm sure that more people will be able to experience it each day as they make further adjustments, though.

EDIT: It may have been a different group as I can't seem to find the post anymore. It had some really interesting photos that show the area around the first lift and elevator area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on July 05, 2020, 12:15:33 PM
That, and there is already another person posting in SDC's passholder group on facebook that they rode this morning. It seems that they're only letting roughly 50 people in line, and even that doesn't guarantee a ride as a lot of people towards the end of the line have been saying that the ride often shuts back down before they can board. I'm sure that more people will be able to experience it each day as they make further adjustments, though.

EDIT: It may have been a different group as I can't seem to find the post anymore. It had some really interesting photos that show the area around the first lift and elevator area.

perfect way to shake the bugs out of it..  day by day..  It will be ready soon
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: bfork1 on July 05, 2020, 05:46:29 PM
Several hundred rode this morning, we waited in line 30 minutes and when we were on the raft, they closed the ride before we even launched.   Sux.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on July 05, 2020, 06:32:10 PM
I know it is a new ride but I wonder if this will be one of those that breaks down all the time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 05, 2020, 06:48:04 PM
I know it is a new ride but I wonder if this will be one of those that breaks down all the time.

If you look at the past 3 major additions, the first year had several growing pains the park had to work through
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: bfork1 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:56 PM
When the rafts returns to the platform, there is a pad it sits on and ir spun around to line up the entrance toward the riders, it wouldnít spin without the platform being wet so they zip tied a hose to the floor so it would keep it wet.  Sad 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on July 05, 2020, 08:58:37 PM
Sad? Sounds to me like a unforeseen issue.  I guess they could have waited to open it till they ran this pipe but maybe they wanted to get people riding and fix that later.  Some folks have to nit pick things
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: JJH on July 06, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
Even Jurassic Park had problems with some of their attractions when they opened.  I think we can accept that there will be a learning curve.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: bfork1 on July 06, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
Sad? Sounds to me like a unforeseen issue.  I guess they could have waiting top em it till they ran this pipe but maybe they waved to get people riding and fix that later.  Some folks have to nitpick things

Yeah itís sad itís an unforeseen issue on a multi million dollar project. It doesnít take a genius to know that a raft that size wonít spin on a dry piece of plastic.  Not SDC fault but the builder/designers
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on July 06, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
Sad? Sounds to me like a unforeseen issue.  I guess they could have waiting top em it till they ran this pipe but maybe they waved to get people riding and fix that later.  Some folks have to nitpick things

Unforeseen and easily compensated for later.. 
LOL 
fix it and move on..~~
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on July 06, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
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Sad? Sounds to me like a unforeseen issue.  I guess they could have waiting top em it till they ran this pipe but maybe they waved to get people riding and fix that later.  Some folks have to nitpick things

Sorry for the horrible errors I am literally all thumbs with this phone.  When will someone post a video of the ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: bfork1 on July 06, 2020, 02:22:54 PM
Itís a 12 min long ride. Might be a while.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on July 06, 2020, 02:35:16 PM
I wonder if they will even officially allow cameras. Our first video might be an official one from SDC.

Now I realize, people will sneak cameras on at some point.

Itís a 12 min long ride. Might be a while.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on July 06, 2020, 06:01:30 PM
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-WO-eIMZw
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on July 06, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
Looks great.  I still will miss LR though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on July 06, 2020, 06:55:02 PM
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-WO-eIMZw


Very nice.....   I like it.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on July 06, 2020, 08:04:31 PM
It doesn't appear all that wet.  Maybe with weight in the boat?

It desperately needs a soundtrack.  I hope the speakers aren't just for ride ops to shout, "Remain seated," to guests.

It appears there is lots of special lighting along the whole ride.  Night rides could be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 06, 2020, 08:34:48 PM
Even Jurassic Park had problems with some of their attractions when they opened.  I think we can accept that there will be a learning curve.

At least when Mystic River Falls fails the boats don't start eating the tourists.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on July 06, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
Saw that Mystic River Falls does have a max height limit of 6'5". I don't know if that is temporary or not but its pretty dissapointing in my opinion. I barely meet it (I'm 6'3") but my friend is 6'7" so he wont be able to ride when we go down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sanddunerider on July 07, 2020, 07:54:29 AM
Saw that Mystic River Falls does have a max height limit of 6'5". I don't know if that is temporary or not but its pretty dissapointing in my opinion. I barely meet it (I'm 6'3") but my friend is 6'7" so he wont be able to ride when we go down.

Tell your buddy to bend his knees a little,
slump his shoulders,
wear tennis shoes with thin soles,
And No hat
LOL, 
he will be fine..!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: palallin on July 07, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-WO-eIMZw

It appears that the spin at the top of the flume has been deleted?  Am I seeing that right?

I don't get all the blue lights, however.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 07, 2020, 08:56:06 AM
It doesn't appear all that wet.  Maybe with weight in the boat?

I don't get all the blue lights, however.

I am a little shocked about how wet you appear to get also, especially at the plunge.  Like you say "Maybe with weight in the boat".

Does have a lot of blue lights......that surely is just for appearance during night riding.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 07, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Interesting POV indeed. Too bad they didn't go all out to rebuild the cave structure like the old ride considering it's themed to the cave. The rest of the landscaping work is fantastic though and I do like the "mine shaft" segment. But I guess there's always Fury Of The Nile up at WOF to get the "cave" experience still. Also am I seeing it correctly that they added blue dye to the water?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on July 07, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
It does look amazing, despite all our fandom quibbles about what we would do differently. The first half is pristine with all the natural rock.

The ride experience looks fantastic. It seems much more aggressive than the old LR.

Hopefully a home run for them. Like sdcfan88 keeps mentioning though, you wonder if this new plunge will take the place of the American plunge eventually. I'm sure they'd love to open that area up to something else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on July 07, 2020, 03:07:44 PM
It really looks like they have hit a home run with this one. With the lighting it will be a amazing experience in the dark to ride and just appreciate the visuals if you are a non rider.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jemmicat on July 07, 2020, 03:16:55 PM
Did it look like it was moving incredibly fast to anyone else? yet even with it moving that fast is still a very long ride
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on July 07, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
I would not be surprised if they use this to also replace AP.  I never thought about it before but yet, the building should have been a cave.  Oh well, still looks fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 07, 2020, 07:46:29 PM
I would not be surprised if they use this to also replace AP.  I never thought about it before but yet, the building should have been a cave.  Oh well, still looks fun.

AP wonít be replaced anytime soon
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: KBCraig on July 07, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-WO-eIMZw

Absolutely nothing in that video makes me want to ride it.

I know I'm a "What would Miss Mary say?" curmudgeon, but that looks boring and without any relevant theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: History Buff on July 07, 2020, 11:44:28 PM
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9-WO-eIMZw

Absolutely nothing in that video makes me want to ride it.

I know I'm a "What would Miss Mary say?" curmudgeon, but that looks boring and without any relevant theming.

To be fair, the ride it replaces lost its theme.  In fact, the theme was barely there to begin with.  Hopefully, MRF at least has a soundtrack to help it along.  We know the story behind the idea of the ride, but the question remains:  how much theming is in the queue?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 08, 2020, 12:45:34 AM
Hopefully, MRF at least has a soundtrack to help it along.

If you listen closely you can hear the New Orleans Jazz Music playing in the background though that might be exclusively for the new BBQ place. Other than that, I don't think there is one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 08, 2020, 09:40:51 AM
I would not be surprised if they use this to also replace AP.  I never thought about it before but yet, the building should have been a cave.  Oh well, still looks fun.

AP wonít be replaced anytime soon

Good to hear.  Though I agree it needs some upgrading it would be foolish to replace 2 water rides with 1 new one.  By keeping the American Plunge after adding MRF will help keep the waiting time down on both rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on July 08, 2020, 09:56:16 AM
I would assume that all future plans are fluid at this point. Any new ride is a huge investment and with the park closure earlier this year and now the low attendance numbers...I would expect they will be very conservative with their planned spending.


I would not be surprised if they use this to also replace AP.  I never thought about it before but yet, the building should have been a cave.  Oh well, still looks fun.

AP wonít be replaced anytime soon
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 08, 2020, 10:39:29 AM
I would not be surprised if they use this to also replace AP.  I never thought about it before but yet, the building should have been a cave.  Oh well, still looks fun.

AP wonít be replaced anytime soon

Good to hear.  Though I agree it needs some upgrading it would be foolish to replace 2 water rides with 1 new one.  By keeping the American Plunge after adding MRF will help keep the waiting time down on both rides.

I don't really see AP making even a small dent in the waiting time for MRF.  I mean let's face it, MRF is absolutely going to be packed for a good long time.  The only thing AP really has going for it is the plunge at the end and MRF covers that pretty well.

I have enjoyed AP for many years but it really needs a big upgrading which I don't think SDC will do.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on July 08, 2020, 11:42:54 AM
...only thing AP really has going for it is the plunge at the end...

It also has a lower minimum height of 36" which is huge for families. Mystic River Falls is 40"; Lost River was 36".
I know that our family will continue to ride American Plunge in addition to MRF due to the height restriction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 08, 2020, 11:44:22 AM
^ ^AP guarantees to get you wet with generally a short line.  I think of AP as Charlie Brown's Christmas tree:  "I never thought it was a bad ride.  It just needs a little love."  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 08, 2020, 12:26:13 PM
...only thing AP really has going for it is the plunge at the end...

It also has a lower minimum height of 36" which is huge for families. Mystic River Falls is 40"; Lost River was 36".
I know that our family will continue to ride American Plunge in addition to MRF due to the height restriction.

If your talking about ride specifics, sure some individuals and families are going to be limited in what they can ride.  My point is AP is not going to be able to make much of a difference in the queue of MRF.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 08, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
^ ^AP guarantees to get you wet with generally a short line.  I think of AP as Charlie Brown's Christmas tree:  "I never thought it was a bad ride.  It just needs a little love."  :)

Lol....you know that is one guarantee about AP.   It will get you wet!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 09, 2020, 07:54:10 AM
To be fair, the ride it replaces lost its theme.  In fact, the theme was barely there to begin with.  Hopefully, MRF at least has a soundtrack to help it along.  We know the story behind the idea of the ride, but the question remains:  how much theming is in the queue?

Thereís a ton of theming in the queue building.

I would assume that all future plans are fluid at this point. Any new ride is a huge investment and with the park closure earlier this year and now the low attendance numbers...I would expect they will be very conservative with their planned spending.

I would be shocked if we saw another large attraction open before 2024. There will be small infrastructure upgrades here and there but no huge additions like this
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on July 09, 2020, 09:25:40 AM
To be fair, the ride it replaces lost its theme.  In fact, the theme was barely there to begin with.  Hopefully, MRF at least has a soundtrack to help it along.  We know the story behind the idea of the ride, but the question remains:  how much theming is in the queue?

Thereís a ton of theming in the queue building.

I would assume that all future plans are fluid at this point. Any new ride is a huge investment and with the park closure earlier this year and now the low attendance numbers...I would expect they will be very conservative with their planned spending.

I would be shocked if we saw another large attraction open before 2024. There will be small infrastructure upgrades here and there but no huge additions like this

They should shoot for some of the new new flats. Much less expensive but needed. I really wished they had added a second, taller shot tower to fireman's landing kind like how Hersheypark did minus one
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Jaykethekid on July 09, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Add me to the list of people who would like to see some more flat rides added. Ride wise, once you get done riding all of the other major rides in the park, there's not much else to do in regards to rides. I know some people are apprehensive at the idea of flat's being built, but it isn't impossible to make a flat fit the theme unlike what some people say. The Giant Barn Swing is a prime example of that. And there's some good flats that can easily be marketed as family attractions since that what everyone seems to scream about needing in SDC'c facebook comment section. Though, anything that moves is likely perceived as "too extreme" to a lot of people complaining about the lack of new family additions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mhguy77 on July 09, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
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Though, anything that moves is likely perceived as "too extreme" to a lot of people complaining about the lack of new family additions.

I believe you have to drop some coin for a good dark ride but they sure could use another.  Specifically because they are not adding family rides older folks want to ride and SDC was built on family.  Dollywood has kept a good mix with the additions.  New coasters that were not record breakers but had appeal and flat rides to match.  SDC seems to be trying to "break records", I dont know if that is a long lasting strategy for this park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: runner1960 on July 09, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
I prefer quality to quantity. Flats do nothing for me. I pass them by everywhere I go. You can ride them at any carnival. A new highly themed dark ride should be the next addition by far.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on July 09, 2020, 03:32:19 PM
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Though, anything that moves is likely perceived as "too extreme" to a lot of people complaining about the lack of new family additions.

I believe you have to drop some coin for a good dark ride but they sure could use another.  Specifically because they are not adding family rides older folks want to ride and SDC was built on family.  Dollywood has kept a good mix with the additions.  New coasters that were not record breakers but had appeal and flat rides to match.  SDC seems to be trying to "break records", I dont know if that is a long lasting strategy for this park.

I think that is all about ROI ----
Record breaking rides cost more money but they bring people to the park. We might all love dark rides but I doubt a new one would make headlines and really drive visitor numbers up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: chittlins on July 09, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
I prefer quality to quantity. Flats do nothing for me. I pass them by everywhere I go. You can ride them at any carnival. A new highly themed dark ride should be the next addition by far.

I prefer coasters but my two kids would just as soon ride a fun flat. That makes 2 out of 3 that don't care. Out of Efteling, Europa, Port Aventura, Disneyland Paris, Phantasialand, and Tivoli, they loved that Tic Tac ride at Tivoli the best that was a 17 and 15 year olds at the time. They also loved the Star Flyer at Tivoli and the Soarin-esque ride at Europa. They liked the coasters just fine but they liked those the best.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on July 09, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
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Though, anything that moves is likely perceived as "too extreme" to a lot of people complaining about the lack of new family additions.

I believe you have to drop some coin for a good dark ride but they sure could use another.  Specifically because they are not adding family rides older folks want to ride and SDC was built on family.  Dollywood has kept a good mix with the additions.  New coasters that were not record breakers but had appeal and flat rides to match.  SDC seems to be trying to "break records", I dont know if that is a long lasting strategy for this park.

I think that is all about ROI ----
Record breaking rides cost more money but they bring people to the park. We might all love dark rides but I doubt a new one would make headlines and really drive visitor numbers up.

I guess the last 3 rides have been so called record breakers or firsts.   Yes they do cost a lot of money and bring a lot of people to the park, but for how long?  It seems at least to me that after a while that starts to wane some, which is just normal I guess.   Lost River stayed really busy year after year in the summer months so I think MRF will stay very popular as time goes by.

I just think a well themed dark ride would bring in just as many people and probably more in the long term as the record breakers and firsts.   Besides SDC really needs a quality indoor ride of some kind, but would hope it's not at the expense of FITH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Dewayne on July 10, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
Most people start leaving the park when they feel rain, because there are not many rides or other things to do. Most guests are there for the rides, except during November and December. Some people will stick around during the rain and some guests know about the only 2 indoor rides. For most guests, rides get boring very quick, especially if there are no other rides open. Because of this, I think a new indoor ride, dark ride, or mix of both would help TREMENDOUSLY! It will keep more people in the park and it will also be the ride for those to go to when it's too cold or too hot outside but they dont want to get wet. The more indoor rides SDC has, the better chance they have of keeping most people in the park during certain or all weather conditions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: MCLFLN on July 10, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Please submit a detailed cost benefit analysis of indoor rides in reference to overall cost and customer retention. :-)

Most people start leaving the park when they feel rain, because there are not many rides or other things to do. Most guests are there for the rides, except during November and December. Some people will stick around during the rain and some guests know about the only 2 indoor rides. For most guests, rides get boring very quick, especially if there are no other rides open. Because of this, I think a new indoor ride, dark ride, or mix of both would help TREMENDOUSLY! It will keep more people in the park and it will also be the ride for those to go to when it's too cold or too hot outside but they dont want to get wet. The more indoor rides SDC has, the better chance they have of keeping most people in the park during certain or all weather conditions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on July 10, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
A simple indoor coaster of some sort like the one they used to have at Frontier City would be great.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDCisHome on July 10, 2020, 10:51:23 PM
Was able to ride MRF today. I was in the second group of 50 as part of the soft opening. Overall, the ride is great! The Jazz music in the queue was very clever. The ride itself is more intense than Lost River, however, I didnít feel as I got as wet. I got more wet on AP afterwards. The speed of the boats in the channel is pretty fast which causes rather hard collisions with the walls on turns, this is where I feel the ride is more intense than Lost River. The boats do spin quite a bit too. The elevator lift was neat and you can see quite a ways.
It is definitely taller than you think. The drop was a lot of fun! Not as intense as it looks, which I think is great for families! The load/unload process is smooth and the continuous motion is really nice for capacity sake.
As I was about to board, one boat did get stuck coming in to the station. It was slipping on the lift conveyor and couldnít reach the station conveyor. Was becoming disappointed that they would close the ride, but maintenance came quickly and simply and literally jumped on the rubber raft part of the boat to advance it forward. They did not shut down.
Overall, I highly recommend it. I feel itíll be a fun ride for families. And for those who donít want to ride, I recommend getting some BBQ and sit overlooking the ride. Itís a great view!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 11, 2020, 10:47:08 AM
^ Great review!  We didn't get to ride MRF on Thursday but did sit and watch the ride from the Smokehouse.  I got the 1 meat platter with brisket and they gave me a lot of it so I was pretty full with just 1 meat and 2 sides.  Also I noticed throughout a lot of the park they had "Rockin' the Grass" tunes playing, i.e. rock songs played with bluegrass instruments.  I heard bluegrass versions of "Jack and Dianne" by John Mellencamp, "Rambling Man" by the Allman Brothers Band and "Crossfire" by Stevie Ray Vaughn among others.  Not bad and if they are going to play rock songs for the summer that is definitely the way to do it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: tomservo6 on July 11, 2020, 06:38:37 PM
So what's the secret to getting to test ride during the soft open? Certain time? Day? Completely random? Know who to talk to?

I'm tired of waiting for the official opening but don't necessarily want to come all the way down from Springfield if there's not much chance of riding.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 11, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
^ I never heard them make the announcement that MRF was open.  My advice is to walk by the ride every once in a while to see if a line has formed and they are taking riders.  Thursday had on and off lightning in the area so MRF didn't open until later that afternoon-about 3pm I think.  I did hear they are doing final testing so it should be open all day soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: SDCisHome on July 12, 2020, 12:03:57 AM
^ I never heard them make the announcement that MRF was open.  My advice is to walk by the ride every once in a while to see if a line has formed and they are taking riders.  Thursday had on and off lightning in the area so MRF didn't open until later that afternoon-about 3pm I think.  I did hear they are doing final testing so it should be open all day soon.

On Friday, testing began around 11-11:30 and boats were going nonstop with no issues. A small line began to form, but the first group wasnít able to go in until approx. 12:30 and then the group I was in went in around 1. The subtle hint when we knew they were going to let people on was when we heard the music begin to play and two street crew characters began working the line and sending people in. I know that doesnít provide a lot of detail, but hope it helps.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: woodgrain on July 12, 2020, 08:49:04 PM
Rode MRF today. Line wasnít very long but it took a while due to them not mixing parties in boats. They basically sat one family/party to a boat, even if you were by yourself. I really liked the theming and didnít think the colors looked too harsh at all. The track system for moving the boats is pretty cool. Thereís an area toward the end of the station that appears to be a track on a sliding rail (think Powderkeg, in a way) to allow for loading a boat for trailblazer pass holders and then putting the boat back on the course without interrupting the flow of boats coming from the normal line. Iím totally guessing at that but thatís where it appears the trailblazer line led to. The water is super clean and was bordering on lukewarm, today. As others have said, the boat moves at a faster pace than LR. The hairpin turn is fast and the boat spun for a while around the turn. When you hit the sidewall, you definitely notice it. Itís quite a jolt and it really throws you around. I made the mistake of trying to look around at everything instead of keeping my head firmly against the seat back. Turns out thatís pretty important. Talked to the family in front of me after the ride and they thought the same but they still enjoyed it. The lift was great. Brings you up above the firemanís landing tower and about level with the top of the Swing. Nice view. I enjoyed the water slide around to the drop and the drop itself. Fun but not enough of a drop to make your stomach flutter or anything. Kid/family friendly for sure. Didnít get super wet but I was by myself so not a lot of weight in the boat. Overall I had a good time. Itís a great looking ride with some nice innovation and new technology. Love how it is integrated with the smokehouse.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: mg on July 12, 2020, 11:10:57 PM
We rode MRF again today and it really is a fun ride. As other reports have said, it is much rougher than Lost River, but my family all agreed that we like it. The first time I rode it with my son I got a little wet and he hardly got a drop. Today, he got under the trough and I got drenched from water coming in the entrance/exit opening in the raft on a few rapids. We also wen't down the drop sideways and got wet with it coming in the opening there too. When my wife and son rode it again they got a little wet, but not soaked. All around a fun ride, but I look forward to riding it with a full raft.

If you have little ones, they do offer parent/child swap. The way it worked today;
All 4 of us waited in line together and then when it was our turn we let the ride attendant know that we wanted to swap.
They had my wife and little one cross through the raft to the exit and my son and I rode the ride.
Then, when we returned back to the station, my son and I exited the raft and a different family got in and rode the ride.
When that same raft got back to the station again, my wife and son got in from the exit side and rode the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on July 20, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
Media day is tomorrow
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on July 20, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
I just saw a commercial stating "Mystic River Falls- Now Open!"
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 20, 2020, 11:30:41 PM
I went to the soft opening for Mystic River Falls. Here are a few pictures below...
Sorry for the quality on a few of these as I didn't have my DSLR with me for this trip.

Overall the landscaping is very well thought out and beautiful. The combination of the real rocks and concrete work was very nicely done. The water features and shrubbery really top it off. Once it all grows in here in a few years this should recreate the "in the woods" experience the old Lost River ride had. (which I know people were fond of) There is a sort of half exposed mine shaft that leads to the tower drop and the only real negative in the design is they didn't recreate the cave finale that the old ride had. Other than that as for getting wet the water itself was lukewarm like pool water and the boats do move a lot quicker and toss you around more than the old ride. The lift is very interesting as it lifts and rotates you around to the slide drop. You are about the same height as the Barn Swing or the old Waterboggan ride. The drop itself is very gentile for those wondering. Overall very nicely done.

A couple action shots of the slide area:
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_173141409.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_171205587.jpg)

Loading Station with a "constant load" conveyor belt for increased ride capacity.
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_174256.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/img_20200719_170639093.jpg)

Some of the Queue:
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_170648478.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_170710183.jpg)

Random pics of the ride course from the BBQ place, note you are literally right next to the ride as the boats go by, I'm surprised they didn't bring back the old water cannons:
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_173301629.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_173224077.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_173357856.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_173304027.jpg)

And the entrance and what i assume will be the location for the Ride Signage/Marquee, this is right across where the old White River Mercantile used to be and where you now get cinnamon bread:
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_20200719_174211.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Fergy328 on July 21, 2020, 07:52:38 AM
Offical statement on Twitter by Silver Dollar City saying Mystic River Falls is now open!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: legoerosion on July 21, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
I've always had a weird fear about the storage water area that they use to put the extra rafts in (especially SFStL's Thunder River area), but man I really love this ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Citydweller84 on July 21, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
I've always had a weird fear about the storage water area that they use to put the extra rafts in (especially SFStL's Thunder River area), but man I really love this ride.

I can't wait to finally get down there and ride it for myself. But I don't do well in the heat so it'll probably be a bit before I do.

A few times on Thunder River at SFStL I've seen full boats end up in the storage area. They had to send row boats to get the people out. But they didn't have the divide in place to make sure that didn't happen like SDC did for LROTO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2020, 04:58:08 PM
Since there has been little to no coverage of the details of Mystic River Falls, we decided to do a full walking tour of the ride queue area and then photos of the ride itself.  For those who have not had the pleasure of riding MRF yet, this will at least give you some idea of what you can look forward to experiencing in the future.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/08/mystic-river-falls-now-open-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SRlub2aQu_4/XyxyF-JVHcI/AAAAAAAA6xU/RJgh3ZllNewfsWd08KoEvD63CgHpBHqKgCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/23.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Duelist on August 06, 2020, 05:32:06 PM
Thanks Swoosh and others that posted pictures!  Looking forward to riding next Friday and Saturday!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2020, 05:59:59 PM
Thanks Swoosh and others that posted pictures!  Looking forward to riding next Friday and Saturday!
Since there has been little to no coverage of the details of Mystic River Falls, we decided to do a full walking tour of the ride queue area and then photos of the ride itself.  For those who have not had the pleasure of riding MRF yet, this will at least give you some idea of what you can look forward to experiencing in the future.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/08/mystic-river-falls-now-open-sdc.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SRlub2aQu_4/XyxyF-JVHcI/AAAAAAAA6xU/RJgh3ZllNewfsWd08KoEvD63CgHpBHqKgCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/23.JPG)

Not a problem
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on September 01, 2020, 12:56:43 PM
I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. Yes the ride is faster, there is quite a bit of raft spinning when in the river, the landscaping is well done, the drop is mild, etc.

I don't know why but I feel Lost River did a better job with the rapids and getting you wet. The rapid at the tunnel for LR was so great. The rapids on Mystic River look impressive, but just don't do the job. My feet got wet, and my butt got wet from water rolling in through the doors but everything else dry.

I think to make this ride "worth the wait on a hot day" there needs to be geysers or something that hits your upper body, head?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Okiebenz on September 01, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
I will say it again, aside from MRF being more fancy and modern, I still think I liked LR better.  With that said, I did spot what looked like water nozzles after it comes off the drop that I assume might eventually be tied to those machines you put money it to shoot water at boats passing my like on the old LR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. Yes the ride is faster, there is quite a bit of raft spinning when in the river, the landscaping is well done, the drop is mild, etc.

I don't know why but I feel Lost River did a better job with the rapids and getting you wet. The rapid at the tunnel for LR was so great. The rapids on Mystic River look impressive, but just don't do the job. My feet got wet, and my butt got wet from water rolling in through the doors but everything else dry.

I think to make this ride "worth the wait on a hot day" there needs to be geysers or something that hits your upper body, head?

Jay

Nostalgia has a funny way of distorting reality
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: DianaGail on September 01, 2020, 10:05:38 PM
How wet you get is dependent on weight distribution and how many people are in your boat. Our boat 6 adults and 2 children. Iíve never gotten so wet on a ride. The boy behind us was also our family. They had 2 adults and 2 children. None of them were nearly as wet as those in our boat. Iíd imagine a boat would 1-2 people would have a very different experience. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: Pintrader on September 02, 2020, 06:46:21 AM
How wet you get is dependent on weight distribution and how many people are in your boat.

Also just the luck of the draw.  Where your sitting when a particular action takes place since no ride is exactly the same.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: cowboy on September 02, 2020, 02:06:47 PM
"Nostalgia can have a way of distorting reality".....Yes I agree, but my reality had me absolutely soaked coming off Lost River - I was barely wet coming off Mystic River (as had been mentioned by others). Because of how wet we would get, we would always make Lost River our last rides of the day.

Thinking about my ride Mystic River more in depth, here are some possible reasons I wasn't as wet on Mystic River as I had been on Lost River:

1. The Lost River rafts had six riders with openings on each side of the riders. The Mystic River rafts have 8 riders with 2 openings, giving four riders with an opening next to them (four without). - if water entered our raft, it came through these openings. I didn't sit next to an opening therefore limiting my water exposure (on Lost River I didn't have that choice).

2. Most rapids we experienced didn't have a direct hit on the raft openings, neither did the final drop . The rapids we did experience went up the side of the raft, but didn't over-top the raft. - I guess this would be luck draw (or unlucky draw?).

3. Our raft was not full, therefore the raft didn't sit deep in the water - so we probably "floated" over some of the rapids instead of hitting them full force.

So next time, I'll be sure to sit next to an opening and hopefully have a group of 8 to ride with.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project (Thread #2)
Post by: shavethewhales on September 14, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
Finally made it on Mystic River. We got lucky and got in line shortly after it re-opened following yet another episode where employees had to publicly unstick a raft at the top of the drop.

The ride is excellent all around. The river portion is fast and thrilling with just the right amount of splashing so you get a bit wet without being totally drenched. The tower is really interesting, and the drop is surprisingly fun. It's definitely more of a thrill ride than a family experience, IMO.

The area transformation is breathtaking. The entire area from dockside through the riverfront play area has been so nicely widened and spruced up. It's definitely the largest transformation yet, IMO. That entire side of the park is so different now than six years ago.

In spite of all our fanatic snipping at the decor, the finished product is very world-class. Are some colors a bit bold? Sure, but paint fades and it makes a good impression. The only real quibble for devoted fans is the 1960's style billboard at the start of the ride. Definitely a head scratcher why someone wanted to include that instead of a wooden sign or something, but it probably looks better in photos....

The new restaurant/bakery are both very nice. The bold artificial lighting is what really takes away from the theme in the bakery, but I guess you can't get away from that anymore. Otherwise, in person, it's at least a pleasant experience. Got to blend the old and the new somehow, and in this day and age a clean look is certainly important. I still like the ambiance of the Mine restaurant best!

The new bridge and the Butterfield stagecoach are great enhancements as well. I was really impressed that they kept the character of the bridge rather than putting in a simple concrete path. The added room will make a difference!