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#2281
Other Parks / Re: Schlitterbahn Kansas City Thread
August 30, 2011, 07:40:15 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on August 29, 2011, 09:56:58 AM
^^No, we're not even to the half way point with the waterpark.  They also still have to build all of the entertainment district (think San Antonio River Walk), resort hotel and retail district.  It will be amazing when it is completed.

So the economy hasn't scaled them back any? That's quite the area going in out there.
#2282
Branson Talk / Re: Bass Pro's Undoing
August 30, 2011, 07:35:53 PM
The Wonders exihibits never made much money and got axed under the corrupt King Willie administration. Sometimes they tried to incorporate it with the Memphis in May honored country.  Sometimes you bite the bullet and do this anyways. Memphis is actually in the process of possible renovating it's convention center as part of this redevelopment project. The Convo is way past prime and holds nothing of significance anymore. The have already redone what we used to call the Auditorium North Hall and is home the Symphony.

I consider the Memphis Zoo rather top notch.

I hope the new Beale St. Landing and revived American (Delta) Queen cruises to be based there make it.

I hope that someone finally redevelopes the old Tennessee Brewing Co. complex. It's got a great grand staircase.

I pray for continued growth, support and success of St. Jude


#2283
Branson Talk / Re: Bass Pro's Undoing
August 26, 2011, 12:05:31 AM
Here's an article from the wayback machine. It fails to mention the amusement park slated for the north end of Mud Island:

A monumental controversy may be at an end : Memphis is settling in with its $65-million auditorium pyramid.
AMERICAN ALBUM December 16, 1991|GARY MOORE | SPECIAL TO THE TIMESYou can't call it the Great American Pyramid any more. Now it's just The Pyramid.

This city's new steel blue, 32-story sports arena beside the Mississippi River is shaped like a colossal Pharaoh's tomb, but as it opened for business last month, even its original name lay shrouded in controversy.

"It's been the focal point of this city for three years now," said Pyramid marketing manager Larry Enis as he recalled the communal euphoria--and letdown--that accompanied construction of the six-acre, 20,000-seat pleasure-tetrahedron.

Peering down at Enis as he spoke was an authentically noseless replica statue of Ramses II, adorning The Pyramid's entry ramp. "It's had its ups and downs," Enis said of the $65-million Pyramid. "But now it's up."

The Pyramid thus has become another fixture in the Egyptian theme that has beguiled this city since 1819, when it was named in memory of an ancient Egyptian city on the River Nile and cast itself as the jewel of the "American Nile." There are hieroglyph motifs at the zoo and an ancient mummy at Memphis State University. So in the mid-1980s when MSU needed a new basketball arena, a recurrent Memphis dream was revived: Why not build a Great Pyramid?

As 15,000 people poured in for The Pyramid's grand opening to hear the country music group the Judds, and then five days later when MSU won a game beneath the high-tech, million-dollar scoreboard as another large crowd looked on, there was jubilation and muted fatigue. At one time, The Pyramid was going to be much more than the brushed-steel shell that finally emerged.

In September, 1989, more than 100,000 cheering Memphians had lined the bluffs as fireworks illuminated a helicopter that dropped a 600-pound shovel for The Pyramid's groundbreaking.

This was to have been the birth not just of a new megalith but of a new Memphis, according to The Pyramid's promoter and manager Sidney Shlenker, who then owned the Denver Nuggets basketball team. Formerly chief executive officer of the Houston Astrodome, Shlenker promised to add other attractions to the Great American Pyramid. There was talk of "an Egyptian boat ride through the underworld of the dead," a rock music museum, a college football hall of fame and a Hard Rock Cafe.

The intent was to increase tourism to this city-county area of more than 800,000 that is best known as the "Home of the Blues" and as the site of Graceland, the estate of the late rock 'n' roll king Elvis Presley.

Instead, Shlenker ran into financial problems--his defenders blamed bad economic times, his critics said expectations had been unrealistic--and filed for bankruptcy. Shelby County Attorney Brian Kuhn said creditors are seeking $15 million in unpaid debts from Shlenker, who left town, taking the name "Great American Pyramid" with him, citing his copyright. Mortified city fathers took over the project, renaming it "The Pyramid."

But the arena had problems even before Shlenker showed up. Local officials had decided to build the project not high on the river bluffs as admirers of monumental architecture had hoped, but down on a mud flat that was sneered at by many, including City Council member Mary Rose McCormick, as "a hole." The Pyramid peeks up from 60 feet below street level, hunkered against a web of high freeway ramps where the I-40 leaps the Mississippi.


I've been a big fan of finding  a tribe to buying Mud Island and putting a casino there to make it viable. It's lost money since day one in spite of a fantastic little ampitheater. Heck Memphis lost the Memphis Belle.
#2284
Branson Talk / Re: Bass Pro's Undoing
August 25, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
Most developments in Memphis ultimately fail. I'm somewhat from Memphis. I lived there in my high school years and my Mother and Brother are still there. I send lots of time there. The city is horribly ran. Well, at least for the last for the last 20 years. It was kinda tongue in cheek and kinda not.

The Pyramid was a horrible boondoggle. The observation deck has never been open to the public. The acoustics were absolutely horrible and the seats incredibly cramped. It was once supposed to get the Dick Clark thingy. It actually has a good amount exhibit hall space in it that's never been used and thats where most of the Bass Pro. It never made a profit. Memphis hired a con man to initially develop it named Sidney Slinker. He once owned the Denver Nuggets. Memphis thought it was going to get an NBA team 15 years before they did and the arena they built for it was outdated for the one they landed. The FedEx Forum is a fantastic multi purpose arena. (I'm going to rub it in, my brother's company has a suite).

It's hard to find all the initial promises of the Pyramid Development but here's a snip from Sidney's obit:

That same year, he turned his attention to the Pyramid, a 20,300-seat arena in Memphis, Tenn. City officials hired him to manage the pyramid-shaped arena and develop it into a world-class attraction, complete with a rock 'n' roll museum, a Hard Rock Cafe and amusement rides.

"It's going to be a monument like the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower -- a signature for the city," Shlenker told the New York Times. "The difference is, this will have something inside it."

But in 1991, Shlenker was ousted as manager of the Pyramid after failing to obtain financing for his share of the project. The companies that he was involved with on the project later filed for bankruptcy protection.



My favorite memory of the Pyramid is calling the hogs at intermission of a Grateful Dead show. Half the place was watching the Ark/Unc semifinal game via the tv's in the suites.
#2285
Other Parks / Re: Schlitterbahn Kansas City Thread
August 21, 2011, 08:46:32 PM
Does this complete the build out or are they still planning on more construction in the near future.

Seems I remember something about a Scheels and are they doing the treehouse cabin things.
#2286
Quote from: Junior on August 21, 2011, 07:53:05 AM
Did the town really need four major shopping centers? Nope. Red Roof was the premere shopping destination at first. Now it's in sad shape. Empty shops. Tanger is doing well, probably due to it's visibility from the strip. Branson Meadows is toast.
Tanger is one of the better management companies when it comes to outlet malls. If you took the good of Red Roof and put it in with VF outlet over at Branson Meadows you would have a decent center. Visability of the store fronts at Red Roof is the manin issue. You dee nothing but the backs of the stores. Tanger sends us coupons all the time and put coupons in the Sun. paper here in Fayetteville. I've seen things come and go at Tanger though, J Crew, Liz Claiborne, ect, ect, ect. Coleman's new home fits it out over by Branson Meadows but traffic worries me and there ain't nothing cheap about Colemans outlet prices just a hell of a selection. I can never find an easy parking spot at the landing even down on the Belk end. I miss the Bud Shop and the outdoors/cabin store though.

You want something that will bring women and their daughters, go heavily after an American Girl store. They are the bass pros of the doll world.

And you forgot the newer development up north where the bog box stores have set up shop.
#2287
Branson Talk / Bass Pro's Undoing
August 20, 2011, 03:06:23 PM
This is finally going to happen. Good Luck Doing Business with the City of Memphis:

From the CA:



Construction that will turn The Pyramid into a Bass Pro Shops superstore will begin Oct. 11, with plans to open for business Aug. 1, 2013, according to sources familiar with the project.

The city of Memphis and Bass Pro have reached a consensus on the above-ground and below-ground costs for stabilizing the vacant arena, a key hurdle in the nearly six years of negotiations about the Downtown site, the sources said.

Officials believe it will cost $19.5 million to retrofit the structure and $5.5 million to stabilize the soil on the west side of the building closest to the Wolf River Harbor.

On Tuesday, Robert Lipscomb, director of Housing and Community Development and the point man for Pyramid redevelopment, is slated to give the 13-member City Council an update on the project. Council members said Lipscomb began meeting with them individually Wednesday to talk about the project.

"When we're ready to talk, we'll talk to all the media at the same time," said Larry Whiteley, manager of communications and outdoor education for Bass Pro Shops.

Since Bass Pro began negotiating with the city about The Pyramid in 2005, the company has expressed concerns about the seismic stability of the structure. Experts say the land beneath the arena could be subject to liquefaction -- when solid ground becomes like quicksand -- in an earthquake.

In January, Bass Pro and seismic experts called for a detailed test of a scale model to see if the building could survive an earthquake or if retrofitting was needed.

With the city and the Springfield, Mo.-based retailer agreeing on the stabilization costs, planners have been able to set a timeline for construction and completion.

Beyond transforming the arena, the project is expected to inspire a redesign of the area around The Pyramid, focusing on the connections among the building, the Mississippi River, Memphis Cook Convention Center and the historic Pinch District.

"The Pyramid and Pinch Historic District have received the most attention, but the city of Memphis redevelopment vision is much bolder," Lipscomb said in an interview earlier this year. "It is not about the addition of a retail magnet and a distinctive retail district, but more precisely, it is about building a thriving, active convention center district."

Lipscomb is proposing the city purchase Shelby County's share of the convention center, which would then be renovated, but not expanded. That part of the project is expected to cost roughly $60 million. The city also expects to purchase the old Lone Star Industries property, which features neon "Memphis" signs, for $12 million to $15 million.

Bass Pro is expected to invest at least $33 million in the project.

The city plans to float bonds through the Center City Revenue Finance Corp., the finance arm of the Downtown Memphis Commission, which would be repaid through increases in state sales tax revenue from new retail businesses in the Tourist Development Zone.

Tourist Development Zones divert the increased collections of new tax revenue from businesses within the designated areas back into specific public-use facilities, such as The Pyramid or Memphis Cook Convention Center, instead of sending that revenue to the state.

Last year, the city and Bass Pro signed a lease for the retailer to occupy the redeveloped Pyramid for an initial period of 20 years, with seven five-year renewals, for a possible total of 55 years.

The Bass Pro Shops store at The Pyramid will re-create a Delta "cypress swamp," with a large body of water on the ground floor and cypress trees stretching into the upper reaches of the refurbished building.

Visitors would travel on elevated walking paths, above a swamp stocked with freshwater fish.


Video:
http://www.wmctv.com/category/195967/video-landing-page?clipId=6161528&autostart=true

Memphis is getting the Old Delta Queen back for cruises on the Sippi again

#2288
Other Parks / Re: The "Old" Worlds Of Fun
August 20, 2011, 02:49:28 PM
When I was in Union Station this summer, there are models of the roller coasters of WofF and a history of them and where the old ones ended up. One I believe is in South America somewhere.
#2289
Other Parks / Re: Top 10 Ideas for Dogpatch USA site!
August 20, 2011, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on July 27, 2011, 09:09:04 AM
andy!  all great ideas,,  question??

# 3     Hazzard county.?

Who is going to be daisy? ;)



My wife's cousin was Daisy Mae at Dogpatch once.
#2290
Other Parks / Re: Bell's Developments
August 20, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
This reminds me so much of fate of Libertyland in Memphis. Amusement Park at the fairground with a classic Woody called the Zippin Pippin. Had a minor league stadium as well and exibit halls. No crappy horse track but had a 9,000 seat Mid South colusium and Liberty Bowl Stadium. Difference was the park was govt. owned

Libertyland closed, some park up in Wisconsin bought the Naming rights, plans and trains of the Zippin Pippin and rebuilt it. I had hoped that the city and fair could have found a good park management company before it got too bad but nope.

The Mid South Fair is gone from memphis(Tunica last I heard), the land where Libertyland stood is now a tailgating area for the Liberty Bowl where one of the worse teams in D1 plays. The Mid South Colusium lays in waste and disrepair with a no compete clause with the FedEx Forum and the city too broke to demolish it. The ballpark gone(although the stadium downtown is the Jewel of AAA) and  just a couple of the Exibit Halls remain.

In Tulsa, the ballteam is downtown now, the race track is a dump, and the amusement park is gone.  Expo Square seems dumpy to this day, and I go to the big spring gun show.

I would have liked to see Memphis find a new home for Zippin Pippin in town.  :(
#2292
Branson Talk / Re: Branson West McDonald's
August 17, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
That McDonalds was torn down and replaced with a new one this summer.
#2293
White Water Discussion / Re: WW in 2011
August 08, 2011, 05:36:37 PM
I remember using White Water branded tubes at the now long defunct Adventure River in Memphis. For some reason I want to say the water park  you can now barely see from I 430 in North Little Rock was opened by the same partnership.
#2294
We had 2 day tickets, we chose to go at 4 and hit the water rides in the heat of the day and stay later during the extended hours. But... how it worked was at 5 pm you can get in for 25 bucks orr basically 5 bucks an hour.

We got lucky, it was cloudy in the mornings we were in Branson and the highs were kept down a bit compared to before and after. I couldn't imagine what it was like this past week. It was 109 here at the house today In Fayetteville.
#2295
I heard lots of modern day pop country in the ride lines like PowderKeg. I'd prefer ACDC for a ride like that if it's out of theme. :P