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My desired list of rides they can chose from ::)
A non inverting hyper, All one has to do is look at the Tip 10
Steel Coaster Golden Tickets to see why this omission needs fixed muy pronto.
A noninverting woodie, think Balder Dash, Wooden Warrrior or the new one at Busch Gardens. Another staple that's missing from the park.
Family invert with plenty of caves and such.
A taller shot tower, Man did they miss their opportunity to do what Hershey did with different sized shot towers at Fireman's Landing.
Drop track coaster(perfect for FITH 2.0)
Redone American Plunge, multiple drops including a backwards one(See Chiapas at Phantasialand)
Enclosed/covered flats
More non kiddie flats
Enclosed coaster with lots of visuals(can be either a wild mouse or other small footprint steel coaster)
Enclosed shooter ride(think Toy Story Midway Mania, Justice League)
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie. Personal preference there.
Quote from: Swoosh on September 12, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie. Personal preference there.
how do you build a Hyper without it possibly being seen from another part of the park. You'd want at least a 300ft. drop.
Quote from: Swoosh on September 12, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie. Personal preference there.
They've already got a number of rides you can see from outside of the park. If you're coming from Branson West then Wildfire and Outlaw Run are easy to see, just because of the height. You can see them and Powder Keg easily from the parking lots and Indian Point Road as well. Unfortunately, anything with any sort of height is going to be seen outside of the park and provide a view outside as well. That's the nature of the beast.
You can also see outside the park quite clearly on the train as it's approaching it's back loop, looking down onto Table Rock and some of the resorts and apartments that are down there. there are numerous other areas you can see outside as well if you pay a little attention. As an example, the Dollar General up the road is quite easy to spot in at least 5 places within the park that I'm aware of, especially when it's dark.
I agree that it would a nice thing to have the berm idea like Disney cutting it off from the outside world, but it's not practical.
I think you know what I meant and while yes you can see things if you go looking for them right now, it is not a blatant scream of "LOOK AT ME" like what a sky screamer or a hyper coaster would be.
Or were you just trying to be argumentative?
I agree that I like it better when they have their own little neck of the woods to play in and aren't pushed next to the pathways like a typical amusement park. It's becoming more and more of a moot point though with all the rides that are being packed in. The whole backside of the park is pretty much that way now. DW did an OK job of combining up-close rides and ambiance with the timber canyon area though. It just takes a lot of well-planned theming.
As far as wishes for 2020 go though, I'd love a GCII in the vein of InvadR or Mystic Timbers or Thunderhead. Just another classic, widely-appealing coaster that doesn't try to be anything it doesn't need to be.
Honestly I wouldn't expect that much though. Maybe we'll get a drop tower like DW's? Or if the rumors are to be believed, they'll gut/replace/renovate one of the classic rides that needs extensive work to keep going. That's been rumored for as long as this site has been around though and they haven't done it yet, but I guess we'll see.
Quote from: shavethewhales on September 13, 2017, 09:21:00 PM
I agree that I like it better when they have their own little neck of the woods to play in and aren't pushed next to the pathways like a typical amusement park. It's becoming more and more of a moot point though with all the rides that are being packed in. The whole backside of the park is pretty much that way now. DW did an OK job of combining up-close rides and ambiance with the timber canyon area though. It just takes a lot of well-planned theming.
As far as wishes for 2020 go though, I'd love a GCII in the vein of InvadR or Mystic Timbers or Thunderhead. Just another classic, widely-appealing coaster that doesn't try to be anything it doesn't need to be.
Honestly I wouldn't expect that much though. Maybe we'll get a drop tower like DW's? Or if the rumors are to be believed, they'll gut/replace/renovate one of the classic rides that needs extensive work to keep going. That's been rumored for as long as this site has been around though and they haven't done it yet, but I guess we'll see.
My theory of twos says a Funtime time is coming, I'd like a Star Flyer. Our Shot/drop tower is in Fireman's Landing notater how short it is.
Well I hope you're wrong because I don't want an eyesore at the park
While probably unlikely since it would offer a similar ride experience to Time Traveler minus the spinning, SDC really has an opportunity here to capitalize on their relationship with Mack by reviving the Mystery Mine concept that was once talked about years ago before the recession killed it. I really think they could pull off a superior version using their Big Dipper trains. After finally making a trip over to Dollywood and experiencing it earlier this year, I really think SDC needs this. I really loved the combined coaster and dark ride elements it offered despite how it beats you up which goes back to how I think a Mack design would be superior as it would not have that brutal experience with they way their trains are designed. I have to admit when that vertical drop was placed on Time Traveler I was convinced that's what they had went with at the time, despite all the rumors. lol
Personally I think a much larger drop tower or a star flyer would be a great addition. I'd also love to see them turn the old Waterboggan tower into an observation tower of some sort, to let people up to enjoy the view of the Ozarks. I certainly wouldn't consider a ride like that an eyesore, but more of a landmark.
Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there? :-)
(Swoosh- no, I wasn't trying to be argumentative any more than chittlins was. Just making a point that your preference already really doesn't really exist)
Quote from: sdcfan88 on September 14, 2017, 12:42:29 AM
While probably unlikely since it would offer a similar ride experience to Time Traveler minus the spinning, SDC really has an opportunity here to capitalize on their relationship with Mack by reviving the Mystery Mine concept that was once talked about years ago before the recession killed it. I really think they could pull off a superior version using their Big Dipper trains.
My biggest problem with Mystery Mine was how rough the first half of it was. It was an incredible ride- especially the theming around it. But I was focused so much on not getting slammed around and hurt that I felt like I missed a bunch of it. The second half was much better. The big dipper trains certainly look like they would fix that issue. For those that haven't seen them, you can see them at: https://mack-rides.com/products/rollercoaster/bigdipper/
To do Mystery Mine with that kind of train would be awesome! it's to bad that they couldn't replace the trains on Mystery Mine itself with something like that.
Quote from: sirwillow on September 14, 2017, 09:15:44 AM
Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there? :-)
There in lies my issue. This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park. This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway. Why would we want the park to be like any other park?
Quote from: Swoosh on September 14, 2017, 05:05:53 PM
There in lies my issue. This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park. This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway. Why would we want the park to be like any other park?
I wish this board had a "like" button. ^^^He gets it.
Quote from: Swoosh on September 14, 2017, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: sirwillow on September 14, 2017, 09:15:44 AM
Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there? :-)
There in lies my issue. This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park. This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway. Why would we want the park to be like any other park?
I certainly understand that. Absolutely. But even Walt understood what an attraction it can be to see something from outside of the park. He called it the "weenie"- something to draw people's attention in and increase the desire to go. it's why you can see the landmarks at all of the Walt Disney Parks from a long ways outside of the parks. It's why the Matterhorn sticks up as a landmark at Disneyland. It's why all of the Disney parks have sometime that draws you in from outside.
So I have no problem with things inside the park being seen from the outside of the park. But once inside, it's another story. That's when I'd like to see as little of the outside world as possible. I don't mind going up and getting a great look over the park- and if it's like SDC, you can do it where it can get incredible views around the park without showing the "outside" world thanks to the hills.
It doesn't have to be either/ or, it can be both. :-)
Which is why I don't mind if SDC puts up some things to help draw in attention from people driving by, and drawing their interest to the park. But it doesn't have to ruin my immersion in the atmosphere once I'm there.
Seeing the big rides from the road/hiway is basic marketing 101... "impulse buying"
People drive by,
kids or adults see the coasters, "that looks cool, lets check it out".!
THey go in check out the park and rides, SDC generates 3-500 bucks or more per family...
Thats impulse buying... You have to properly market your product, to sell your product ;D
I think the observation tower would be awesome.....It would be easy to theme it as a fire watch tower like the multiple ones they actually have around here. I'd try to put it at the end of the cave tour.....build it by the tour exit. How cool would that be to do the underground tour and finish it off with a couple of rides up to get a few hundred foot view the ozarks? It could be a new icon for the park.
The negatives.....not sure if it would actually bring in my ROI. After all their are already observations towers around the area.....which means it's also not really that unique of an attraction.
Could also go full Six Flags with a tower too and build with a drop tower or zipline deal. I'd love a bigger SS tower with a view....or drop tower with a view....but wouldn't what to combine them.
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on September 15, 2017, 09:24:33 AM
I think the observation tower would be awesome.....It would be easy to theme it as a fire watch tower like the multiple ones they actually have around here. I'd try to put it at the end of the cave tour.....build it by the tour exit. How cool would that be to do the underground tour and finish it off with a couple of rides up to get a few hundred foot view the ozarks? It could be a new icon for the park.
The negatives.....not sure if it would actually bring in my ROI. After all their are already observations towers around the area.....which means it's also not really that unique of an attraction.
Could also go full Six Flags with a tower too and build with a drop tower or zipline deal. I'd love a bigger SS tower with a view....or drop tower with a view....but wouldn't what to combine them.
I still wonder if they could use the old existing Water Boggan tower for one. Open it up on one or two sides so you only see the "pretty" part and not the roads, and it would be cheaper than building a new one. But I don't know if the structure on that old tower would work or not, or how stable. And they'd probably have to hook up some sort of elevator.
I think it would be plausible to reuse the tower for another ride/attraction. They would probably have to strip the wood off and take it down to the steel frame but it would be worth it I think.
Quote from: sanddunerider on September 15, 2017, 07:30:26 AM
Seeing the big rides from the road/hiway is basic marketing 101... "impulse buying"
People drive by,
kids or adults see the coasters, "that looks cool, lets check it out".!
THey go in check out the park and rides, SDC generates 3-500 bucks or more per family...
Thats impulse buying... You have to properly market your product, to sell your product ;D
Um... if they're driving anywhere near SDC they were already going to SDC. No one just happens to drive that way and then magically decides to go to SDC spur of the moment.
Again SDC is NOT SIXFLAGS. Stop trying to make it be.
QuoteUm... if they're driving anywhere near SDC they were already going to SDC. No one just happens to drive that way and then magically decides to go to SDC spur of the moment.
Again SDC is NOT SIXFLAGS. Stop trying to make it be.
I agree the majority of the people going to Branson and the SDC area are going there and know what SDC is.. BUT there are several people out there ( :o :o ::) ::)) that dont know what SDC is or what it represents to us..
Big coasters on the skyline from the hiway or from the lake? yes, it will draw in extra people... those extra people spend extra money, that is additional revenue. Additional revenue NOW, and of course once they visit, additional revenue in the future...
AND NO we dont want to be like 6 flags..... JUST SAY NO!
Normally I like seeing coasters from outside, but I have to admit I was a little disappointed when I saw Outlaw Run from Highway 76 last fall. I always thought the ride was more secluded than it actually is. On the other hand, I love being able to see Wildfire and Powderkeg from the parking lot.
If you look hard enough you can actually see Wildfire and PK from Kimberling City. lol
So to revive this thread a bit since this is the next plausible year for the next big addition to the park, and seeing the success with the large investment made on Time Traveler, do you think SDC will get another major coaster or a themed area? What and why?
Personal preference I am still hoping for is something new from B&M, or GCI, or even another Mack of some variety just to make the rest of the U.S. theme parks jealous that SDC gets two Mack coasters back to back within a decade. It really makes me wonder as it seems like Brad and crew have developed a good working relationship with the guys at Mack Rides which could build on the success of Time Traveler.
Wouldn't get my hopes up for 2020 yet. Especially for a coaster. Probably won't be until 2022 till they start really working towards the next coaster, unless they finally get the long speculated family coaster before then. I don't know that HFEC's relationship with Mack is that good at this point anyway... have you seen how much downtime TT has had? Yes it's popular, but it has to be very frustrating to own and operate.
I think the plausible speculation running around right now has to do with "revitalizing" or replacing the classics (Flooded Mine and Fire-In-The-Hole), or coming up with a new water ride. The park has three water rides right now, and of those three, two are seriously antiquated and don't have the through-put they need at this point. Riverblast just simply isn't that fun or popular. Since AP and LR are so old and have their issues, it would make sense to get rid of one and get a shiny new replacement. Personally I'd rather see AP replaced with a modern flume similar to DW's.
We know that Flooded Mine is going to get shut down or completely re-done soon though. The park simply hasn't put the money into it to keep it going well, and at this point it is getting away from them. I'm still a little upset that they haven't really mentioned the 50th anniversary of the ride, other than allowing the operators to put up a little sign. It should be a big deal, but they don't seem to want to draw attention to it...
History has shown us that SDC tends to not invest in coaster projects back to back. There are always other forms of rides or lands added between a singular roller coaster. So, I'm not expecting this in 2020 either.
I would love for the focus to be on AP or FM. Those two attractions need it the most, in my opinion. Unfortunately I worry that we will get replacements of both rides and not revitalizations. I'll just have to come grips with that in my own time.
Between the LR issues at Dollywood and the much less impacting TT issues here at SDC. Wonder if your see HFE get a bit more conservative with there ride selections in the future? The new coaster at Dollywood is basically a flat ride/clone with heavy theming.
I expect (or Im hoping) one or all of the FM, AP, LR, and FItH legacy rides to get the next investment dollars.....but nobody seems to know if that means refrubs, replacements, or just closures?
I think a major refrub/rebuild FM or FItH could be as big of a marketing campaign to the local region as a new coaster would be. It might not get the national attention that TT and OR did. But everyone in the SDCs market already know those rides and would want to come see them if they are new and approved (at least that's my logic). Could be a great medium sized inbetween coasters investment back into the park.
It won't be a coaster. I wouldn't expect another large coaster for awhile, unless plans change drastically
So to bring some of the Lost River speculation over to the 2020 thread (since it is supposedly a 2020 project after all). It turns out that Knott's is also rebuilding their old river rapids ride. What interests me though is the amount of theming and animatronics that Knott's is putting into it. Lost River had that huge building to work with for years and didn't do much with it except for the waterfall gag. Makes me hopeful that a new iteration of the ride could be quite thematic.
https://www.knotts.com/play/rides/calico-river-rapids
For me, the river rapids just needs to look like a nice river. I loved Grizzly River Run because the trough guides were made from "fallen logs" etc. I also loved the spinning drop at the end of the ride. SDC wouldn't have to have any animatronics - but it would be nice to have highly landscaped and detailed river. Also it would be nice to have an up to date ride with the new rapid effects (Whirlpool, drops, etc.).
Jay
As much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.
Quote from: okiebluegrass on November 15, 2018, 12:00:40 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.
And you know that will probably happen after the new attraction is open,
What will fit in the footprint? about anything they want to...
Yeah I have long suspected that AP will give way to become part of the land used for the next major coaster to go in between PK and WF and bridge together the two dead ends on that side of the park.
EDIT: Of course they could also build a larger flume ride in that general area that extends down into the valley between the aforementioned coasters.
Instead of tearing out old classic rides, do they not have enough land that they could add new coasters or rides beyond the current footprint of the park?
Quote from: Okiebenz on November 16, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Instead of tearing out old classic rides, do they not have enough land that they could add new coasters or rides beyond the current footprint of the park?
Has nothing to do with lack of land and more to do with the lack of adequate upkeep back in the day finally catching up with them.
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
I'd love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp
Quote from: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
I'd love for that whole area to be returned as a real lumber camp
Absotively.
Quote from: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
I'd love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp
...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
I'd love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp
...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.
Maybe more like the Log Flume at KBF
Quote from: KBCraig on November 16, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
I'd love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp
...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.
YES!
QuoteAs much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.
But as they would say at the office "what an opportunity" A family driven boat ride with a controlled splash for seasonal changes. Great theming indoor elements and a splash
It has begun. Pictures tomorrow when I get back home.
Quote from: Swoosh on November 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
It has begun. Pictures tomorrow when I get back home.
with decent weather, I am sure they will be off and "running" on the project..
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html
Quote from: Swoosh on November 22, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html
Is this land bridge in the same place where a "temporary" or "portable" bridge is normally placed for maintenance?
@ Swoosh.. yes water is low, I am surprised they didnt drain it.. Maybe waiting until january to pump it dry..
And they may be waiting for the fence.. when the drain all the water, the lake is going to look bad!!, Muddy, Trash! Crap! yes it will look bad..!
Quote from: History Buff on November 22, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: Swoosh on November 22, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html
Is this land bridge in the same place where a "temporary" or "portable" bridge is normally placed for maintenance?
I'm not sure. It is right next to the entrance/exit to Ribhouse
Quote from: sanddunerider on November 22, 2018, 12:01:53 PM
I am surprised they didnt drain it.. Maybe waiting until january to pump it dry..
And they may be waiting for the fence.. when the drain all the water, the lake is going to look bad!!, Muddy, Trash! Crap! yes it will look bad..!
From what I've heard it was pretty much drained and then it rained. ;D
Thanks for the pics Swoosh!
When we were there Nov 15-18, we spoke with one of the shopkeepers at White River Mercantile. According to her, she claims the shop will be removed completely, and they are moving into where Cowboy Jeps currently resides (midtown). She seemed sad the shop will be in a much smaller blueprint and was also commenting on the hardwood floors; she said she always loved the old wooded floors and hated to see them ripped up and thrown away.
Quote from: DollarCityBoy on November 23, 2018, 02:54:43 PM
Thanks for the pics Swoosh!
When we were there Nov 15-18, we spoke with one of the shopkeepers at White River Mercantile. According to her, she claims the shop will be removed completely, and they are moving into where Cowboy Jeps currently resides (midtown). She seemed sad the shop will be in a much smaller blueprint and was also commenting on the hardwood floors; she said she always loved the old wooded floors and hated to see them ripped up and thrown away.
Yep. Here's a map of what has been "confirmed" as being removed.
Still curious if this area will even be open to guests next season
That will be interesting to see for sure..
easily could be blocked off, since they are reworking the complete area, at least from the west side..
the east side would be a little different if they are planning on using Riverfront at all in 2019, If they are not going to schedule anything there, blocking off on the east would be easy also.
Interesting that they have started open construction so soon, but it makes sense if they want to get everything ripped out and a new path opened up ASAP. I'm sure they'll at the very least have a temporary gravel bypass path around the site next year. Maybe they'll construct everything path-side first so they can get that stuff opened up again by summer.
Today is one of the days that really shows the importance of opening the park up and getting more crowd room put in place wherever they can. The park apparently hit somewhere around 29,000 guests today and had to close the gates again.
I hate to see so much ripped out and replaced, but then reality hits and you can't deny that they have to do something. Still think they need to work more on the front gate area before they do more huge new attractions, but I'm sure it's all been planned out in this order for a reason.
Im still shocked this took precedence over FITH, AP or most notably FM being demo'd and reworked as previously speculated. Maybe the PTB were afraid of backlash of such iconic classics being touched? (Well maybe not AP)
Quote from: sdcfan88 on November 24, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
Im still shocked this took precedence over FITH, AP or most notably FM being demo'd and reworked as previously speculated. Maybe the PTB were afraid of backlash of such iconic classics being touched? (Well maybe not AP)
FITH and FM are iconic classics; AP is just old.
Dollars and cents behind it all. We don't see the real cost/benefits, just what we like and don't like. Revamping lost river is a wash for me, but somehow it must be saving them a ton of money. AP might be a cheap ride to keep going at the moment. The squeeky wheel gets the grease as they say.
Quote from: shavethewhales on November 24, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
Dollars and cents behind it all. We don't see the real cost/benefits, just what we like and don't like. Revamping lost river is a wash for me, but somehow it must be saving them a ton of money. AP might be a cheap ride to keep going at the moment. The squeeky wheel gets the grease as they say.
I think when they release the details on the upgrade, there will be many details as to why..
obviously the new reworked boardwalk
with all the new buildings,
the "new pathway'
the new "lost river",
Although it may not happen, i expect to see a log plume ride of some time in same area, which ulimately will replace AP.
That would open the AP area for the long awaited 3rd coaster in that area, and the opportunity to rework the walkways and paths on that side of the park
Does there seem to be any signs of construction or markings around AP, FITH, and fL? Besides what we have seen so far at LR?
Quote from: pfranke03 on November 25, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
Does there seem to be any signs of construction or markings around AP, FITH, and fL? Besides what we have seen so far at LR?
There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Quote from: Swoosh on November 25, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Is there pictures of said markings?
Quote from: legoerosion on November 27, 2018, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on November 25, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Is there pictures of said markings?
If there were photos (or at least photos that could be posted) don't you think they'd be online by now.
Swoosh's latest photo update shows the markings and activity at Lost River, just in case this link has been missed: https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html
I plan to be there this weekend and will get another update of what can be seen.
Just posted a few fresh photos on our FB page. Not much different from what Swoosh posted. Definitely obvious now though. Look forward to seeing the site transformed next year.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 01, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
Just posted a few fresh photos on our FB page. Not much different from what Swoosh posted. Definitely obvious now though. Look forward to seeing the site transformed next year.
will for sure be interesting to follow up on all the work after this winter and going through next summer/fall..
I do hope we can access/see the area during the process for pics... ;)
Howdy, all! Been a long time since I have visited the full SDCFans Website! Just saw this stuff about Lost River posted on the FB page, so I stopped by here to see what else I could learn. Looks like a rehab of the ride to me. Probably what you all have figured out, too. I hope they don't remodel too much and take away some of the old parts of the building that date back to 1977 and the diving bell period when I was at that attraction. I am sentimental. Anyway, I have to always be very complimentary to SWOOSH for the MiG photos and reports. He does a pretty good job covering changes at the park. Keep it up, SWOOSH! Thanks for your work. Anyone who hits the park in the coming weeks, please keep us up to date as well! -JUNIOR, TOO :)
Quote from: Junior, too! on December 01, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
Howdy, all! Been a long time since I have visited the full SDCFans Website! Just saw this stuff about Lost River posted on the FB page, so I stopped by here to see what else I could learn. Looks like a rehab of the ride to me. Probably what you all have figured out, too. I hope they don't remodel too much and take away some of the old parts of the building that date back to 1977 and the diving bell period when I was at that attraction. I am sentimental. Anyway, I have to always be very complimentary to SWOOSH for the MiG photos and reports. He does a pretty good job covering changes at the park. Keep it up, SWOOSH! Thanks for your work. Anyone who hits the park in the coming weeks, please keep us up to date as well! -JUNIOR, TOO :)
Thank you for kind words. MiG is a labor of love. Hard to believe we're ending our 21st season of coverage.
Regarding the LR building - it's all coming down. Nostalgia aside, it doesn't even come close to meeting standards and honestly the new product will be much better.
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 03, 2018, 06:36:29 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.
If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...
Quote from: sanddunerider on December 03, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 03, 2018, 06:36:29 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.
If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...
Understatement. Fence all the way around Lake Silver now. Lost River is completely gone other than facade. They're wasting no time on this project
Yeah someone was telling me that they saw a ton of demolition out there today. If anyone is planning on stopping by after Christmas, it sounds like they will have the area bulldozed already by then. Would love to see photo updates.
I expected them to wait until the park closes for the season before starting the really noticible demolition. Wonder what they are trying to get done before spring.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 07, 2018, 08:27:54 PM
Yeah someone was telling me that they saw a ton of demolition out there today. If anyone is planning on stopping by after Christmas, it sounds like they will have the area bulldozed already by then. Would love to see photo updates.
I expected them to wait until the park closes for the season before starting the really noticible demolition. Wonder what they are trying to get done before spring.
Yeah I will be out there right after Christmas. Might even make one last trip on the 31st
Quote from: Swoosh on December 07, 2018, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on December 03, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 03, 2018, 06:36:29 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.
If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...
Understatement. Fence all the way around Lake Silver now. Lost River is completely gone other than facade. They're wasting no time on this project
Demo always goes fast!!! especially with decent weather, and big equipment.!!..
I will be at the SDC new years weekend sometime, obviously will get as many pics as I can..
Quote from: sanddunerider on December 08, 2018, 07:14:09 AM
obviously will get as many pics as I can..
Are you tall enough to reach over the fences?
I'll have more on MiG later tonight
I'm surprised how fast they are going with this project. It will be interesting to see the area in person when I'm there next week.
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
Whoa....
Quote from: sdcfan88 on December 09, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
Whoa....
and since I don't frequent TPR, yes you can share over there as you appear to be our liaison
Lots of fence.!!
That is a huge outside border to try to contain.... LOL
Thanks for the photos. Guessing it will indeed be completely gone after Christmas.
I'm curious if they will build it such that a path can extend around that side of the lake. They could have a boardwalk around that side to reach Fireman's Landing. That would relieve some congestion just by virtue of having more pathway around the park.
From Outlaw Run's lifthill, you can see a lot of work going on in the maintenance area, like it is being expanded or even pushed back some. Who knows what their future plans are for that area, but it looks like they are slowly adding some room back there.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 10, 2018, 10:43:36 AM
Thanks for the photos. Guessing it will indeed be completely gone after Christmas.
I'm curious if they will build it such that a path can extend around that side of the lake. They could have a boardwalk around that side to reach Fireman's Landing. That would relieve some congestion just by virtue of having more pathway around the park.
From Outlaw Run's lifthill, you can see a lot of work going on in the maintenance area, like it is being expanded or even pushed back some. Who knows what their future plans are for that area, but it looks like they are slowly adding some room back there.
A path behind is a great idea. Could easily eliminate some congestion.....
Yes, it looks like there is more and more room back there.. After they get it cleared it will look huge.. between cleared area and the old lake..
It is a massive project no doubt.!
I would love to have a part of this ride. The don't bother the ride operator sign would look great on my bedroom door!
from Sunday 12/9/18
^So literally what I already posted? :o
Quote from: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
Quote from: Swoosh on December 10, 2018, 11:15:59 PM
^So literally what I already posted? :o
Quote from: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
So whats the deal...?
there are about 6 spots where you can take pics?
without fence in the way...
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.
Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol
Also here is a perspective of the before and after:
Swoosh had mentioned that the Entrance would be where the Rib House currently sits and not by Fireman's Landing.
I, too, am also very anxious so see if they keep the name "Lost River of the Ozarks."
Appreciate the photos from everyone.
I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on December 11, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.
Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol
Also here is a perspective of the before and after:
I hold out no hopes for theming at all. The last couple of projects should put that to rest fast. If it comes to dollars or immersive theming the dollars win every time. If it does happen its just a bonus. But I expect a generic ride experience.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 11, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.
I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.
absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.
Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....
example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast- (well maybe a little)
I'm holding out hope but yeah more likely than not it will be something modern and generic.
Though if they are trying to copy Infinity Falls as being speculated maybe they can at least call it Ozark Falls or something as a vague nod to the former ride this is replacing. I loved how they did that with Powderkeg with the Buzzsaw Car embedded in the roof.
We will have to keep a close eye on the TESS database. lol
As mentioned above, the entrance to the ride will go roughly where Ribhouse is now. Expect the word "Falls" in the name to emphasize the elevator lift and what will probably be the tallest drop on a raft ride. I wouldn't expect much theme other than natural looking rocks and water features. Seriously look at Infinity Falls as it will probably be pretty close to that only better.
What will be most interesting is where the retention pool will go.
All I can say is if they will just rip this ride out like it was nothing it probably wont be too long before they do the same with FM or FITH
Quote from: Okiebenz on December 11, 2018, 09:22:28 PM
All I can say is if they will just rip this ride out like it was nothing it probably wont be too long before they do the same with FM or FITH
Ultimately that is true...
If and when they make that decision, (if it hasnt already been made), they will bring in the dozers and trackhoes and demolish the area without a thought..
^Which begs the question, when does it cross the line for a place like SDC to change and rip out so much that it loses what makes the park special with its fans or the general public? I do get the fact everything has an expiration date and operational/maintenance costs can get to the point its impractical to keep it going but it still seems to be a valid question that I'm sure the public and even the PTB probably ask themselves.
I feel like SDC knows that FITH and FM are their gems. They know that there would be distraught throughout the GP if they just randomly rip out FITH and FM. I'm on the line of that they're going to announce that they're completely refurbishing both FM and FITH in 2019/2020, except one at a time, because they're already building a new attraction.
Quote from: sanddunerider on December 11, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 11, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.
I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.
absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.
Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....
example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast- (well maybe a little)
River Blast actually has a ton of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn theming. Isn't the full name actually Tom and Hucks River Blast?
Fireman's Landing has a lot of rides packed in, which makes it feel a little carnival-ish, but there's also tons of detail and theming.
Time Traveler apparently ran over budget, so the station exterior and bottom floor are a bit disappointing, but the upper levels and the trains are very cool. It also has a rich backstory and lots of detail for those who care to pay attention. The name itself is pretty generic.
So all in all, SDC has a good track record and deserves all the benefit of the doubt as usual. We always wring our hands about the theme being hampered, but they always deliver a good product. Even if the name is generic, I am expecting it to look really nice and have a fun back=story theme that us fans can appreciate.
Lost River wasn't exactly themed that much anyway. Might have been some stuff hanging in the queue line that I have forgotten, but I don't remember anything that stood out. The theme was just a river that sucks into a cave. If they have some kind of cave theme or element with the new ride, it will be a nice homage/continuation of the theme.
Quote from: Runner1960 on December 11, 2018, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: sdcfan88 on December 11, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.
Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol
Also here is a perspective of the before and after:
I hold out no hopes for theming at all. The last couple of projects should put that to rest fast. If it comes to dollars or immersive theming the dollars win every time. If it does happen its just a bonus. But I expect a generic ride experience.
Yep, Time Traveler should have had:
A) first drop into a rock facade cave
B) show building at first launch.
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 12, 2018, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: sanddunerider on December 11, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on December 11, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.
I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.
absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.
Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....
example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast- (well maybe a little)
River Blast actually has a ton of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn theming. Isn't the full name actually Tom and Hucks River Blast?
Fireman's Landing has a lot of rides packed in, which makes it feel a little carnival-ish, but there's also tons of detail and theming.
Time Traveler apparently ran over budget, so the station exterior and bottom floor are a bit disappointing, but the upper levels and the trains are very cool. It also has a rich backstory and lots of detail for those who care to pay attention. The name itself is pretty generic.
So all in all, SDC has a good track record and deserves all the benefit of the doubt as usual. We always wring our hands about the theme being hampered, but they always deliver a good product. Even if the name is generic, I am expecting it to look really nice and have a fun back=story theme that us fans can appreciate.
Lost River wasn't exactly themed that much anyway. Might have been some stuff hanging in the queue line that I have forgotten, but I don't remember anything that stood out. The theme was just a river that sucks into a cave. If they have some kind of cave theme or element with the new ride, it will be a nice homage/continuation of the theme.
Shave, As for TT. I bet 1 in 1000 riders actually know that there is a backstory involved. I know they produced a little video during the announcement. But, to me theming involves more than hanging some props in a Queu line and calling it theming. I am talking FM, FITh hole totally immersive theming. Like a Disney or Universal. With what Herschend is doing now I do not call that theming. Going back to OR. Throw a few clocks in the line and play a cowboy sound clip and call it good. I asked my kids about the theme and they had no clue. Just that it was a great roller coaster. I feel we are headed to Dollywood land bit by bit. I understand what they are doing but sad to see the immersive theming go. I will just enjoy it for what it is.
LR was originally themed to Poncé de Leon's search for the Fountain of Youth, though nearly no one would have known that with the few photos or news articles hanging in frames in the queue. The Lost River, had he found it, would have led to that final room which was begging for a scene of some sort about the Fountain of Youth.
All of the theming was thrown to the wayside before the ride even ripened. Water cannons were added for some added revenue, and some never-explained heartbeat was added until Lost River became a River with an entirely Lost Theme of the Ozarks.
Now that I think about it, I never did really get what the heartbeat sound or whatever that sound was supposed to be that played inside the building. I would still have preferred they kept that ride.
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.
Quote from: tinmann620 on December 13, 2018, 08:14:14 AM
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.
LOL> Thats the answer to that concern.,.!! LOL
Quote from: tinmann620 on December 13, 2018, 08:14:14 AM
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.
Wow I never made the connection between the LR heartbeat sound and the FM sound.
I tried to take some pictures from the back side of the lake while on the train. I didn't think about taking pictures soon enough to get any from the train by the Barn Swing.
The first and second pictures are facing the Rib House and you can see the back of the wall they haven't removed (at least I think that's what that is). The third and fourth pictures are pretty much the same and face where the entrance used to be. The third and fourth pictures (along with the fifth) show how the lake is pretty much empty now.
I might try to get some better pictures tomorrow from the other side because these don't help see very much. Mostly it is just a large dirt area right now.
Interesting views. Thanks for taking pics. And yeah it does kinda make me wonder if the lake will even survive this project.
I should be up there with my camera on the 27th granted I can get away from work.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on December 23, 2018, 02:00:57 AM
Interesting views. Thanks for taking pics. And yeah it does kinda make me wonder if the lake will even survive this project.
I should be up there with my camera on the 27th granted I can get away from work.
No way the Lake of old survives..
I expect to see an all new "concrete " pond,
I am guessing it will be in the same area, back up to FL area and it will be new and clean and purty!
The old Lake is definitely gone. The new rapids ride will require a separate filtered BOH retention pool and I highly doubt it'll even be visible from the park. The new Lake Silver will probably be a lot smaller and probably shallower as well. Too bad they couldn't put a fountain show or something in it. That would be pretty cool
More pictures- the first three taken next to Up the Ladder in Fireman's Landing and the last one taken through a hole in the fence where the Lost River entrance used to be.
You know, I wonder why they won't make Lake Silver bigger and better with a fountain show. I understand that there's the train tracks, but even then an old-styled wooden trestle would be extremely cool for the train to cross over.
Quote from: legoerosion on December 24, 2018, 11:52:03 AM
You know, I wonder why they won't make Lake Silver bigger and better with a fountain show. I understand that there's the train tracks, but even then an old-styled wooden trestle would be extremely cool for the train to cross over.
You may get a pleasant surprise... I expect to see all new lake, and the fountain would be a nice touch, IF the PTB thought of that, they will do just that..
Photos from Wed 12/26 and Thursda 12/27
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_27.html
I still can't believe it's gone.
@ Swoosh,
I Was there sunday.. rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell. Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?
Quote from: mhguy77 on January 01, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell. Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?
Well not really... Kind of a sore thumb in the middle of the project... you can see everything is gone, the equipment, it looks pretty bare in there... be interestiig to see what next spring brings...
Quote from: mhguy77 on January 01, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell. Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?
It has a tribute to Dugan on it, but I'm unsure if it was there pre-LR
The wall we're talking about and the one you mention are two separate things. The wall you mentioned is near the tracks and the entire project is visible from the train. The wall we're talking about is closer to Rib House and was right next to the LR queue
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 01, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
@ Swoosh,
I Was there sunday.. rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.
I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past. It kind of blows my mind as they've been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them.
Updated with most recent information.
Red = being removed
Green = staying for 2019
Yellow = possible path for 2019
The current White River Merchantile building will he transferred to entertainment for the 2019 season. Sounds like it will be used for Rudolph and other special events. Carousel Barn will be the temporary Rib House for 2019 (think of it like a permanent House of BBQ for a season).
Now things are always fluid until they open but as of right now, the new Rib House will be locates approximately where Dockside Theatre is right now. New Lost River will take up space where LR was and Rib House is currently. Entrance should be basically where Rib House entrance was. As of now, no plans to build a replacement for Dockside Theatre.
White River Merchantile will be relocated to Cowboy Jepps (Cowboy Jepps will not be relocated). Pearl Shop will be relocated to Magic Shop (Magic Shop will not be relocated). Bent Spoon will not be relocated.
It looks like they are committed to rebuilding all of the old structures. I wonder about long-range plans for this - as in, how long before the main square gets hit - long after the old rides, I suspect.
Odd that a show venue will be shut down and not rebuilt (from what you report) - seeing as it is the Year for Shows.
And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?
Quote from: History Buff on January 02, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?
No. There's too much BOH stuff behind OP and FITH. I'm not sure if you've ever been back there, but there are several trailers for entertainment among other things.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: History Buff on January 02, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?
No. There's too much BOH stuff behind OP and FITH. I'm not sure if you've ever been back there, but there are several trailers for entertainment among other things.
It leads to an unsavory bit of London...
Actually I have been back there.
I know it would entail another railroad bridge or tunnel, but I wondered if a new path might be made through the current fireman's cemetery. It was a long shot question, and not something I would like to see happen.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 01, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 01, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
@ Swoosh,
I Was there sunday.. rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.
I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past. It kind of blows my mind as they've been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them.
Wow, that is pretty interesting if they are indeed saving this seemingly random wall. I know some of us fans have been critical of some of the bulldozing mentality that has gone on with some of the recent additions. It would be really cool to see them respond with some kind of gesture like this. It really keeps the spirit of the city alive somehow when bits and pieces can survive and be repurposed through the generations. There's always been such a tradition of re-using things at SDC, with the Lost River area now being prepared for it's FOURTH ride when you consider the Greedy Bros stuff as well as Rube Dugans.
Quote from: History Buff link=topic=3791.msg76945#msg76945
I know it would entail another railroad bridge or tunnel, but I wondered if a new path might be made through the current fireman's cemetery. It was a long shot question, and not something I would like to see happen.
Well... considering there are plans in the not so distant future for doing away with the one Crossing that's currently not an underpass in the near future, I doubt they'd want to create another
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.
Quote from: BackInTime9 on January 02, 2019, 04:49:18 PM
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.
98% sure and about 80% sure it'll be like Infinity Falls.
New LR is only a small part of this new project. They're being very tight lipped on what'll happen eventually around Riverfront Playhouse. They don't refer to it as "the most valuable land in the park" for nothing
Quote from: shavethewhales on January 02, 2019, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on January 01, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 01, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
@ Swoosh,
I Was there sunday.. rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.
I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past. It kind of blows my mind as they've been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them.
Wow, that is pretty interesting if they are indeed saving this seemingly random wall. I know some of us fans have been critical of some of the bulldozing mentality that has gone on with some of the recent additions. It would be really cool to see them respond with some kind of gesture like this. It really keeps the spirit of the city alive somehow when bits and pieces can survive and be repurposed through the generations. There's always been such a tradition of re-using things at SDC, with the Lost River area now being prepared for it's FOURTH ride when you consider the Greedy Bros stuff as well as Rube Dugans.
It does look odd sitting up there, it is pretty good sized, and for sure being saved on purpose for now.
Will be interesting to see how it works into the "plan" of things..
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM
On topic when you consider the influx of customers. I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now. We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it) They closed the gates at times this year. Parking Full. I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level. Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%. If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full. SDC is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.
Quote from: mhguy77 on January 03, 2019, 07:16:36 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM
On topic when you consider the influx of customers. I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now. We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it) They closed the gates at times this year. Parking Full. I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level. Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%. If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full. SDC is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.
TF? Your post makes it sound like you've never been to SDC
Quote from: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: BackInTime9 on January 02, 2019, 04:49:18 PM
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.
98% sure and about 80% sure it'll be like Infinity Falls.
New LR is only a small part of this new project. They're being very tight lipped on what'll happen eventually around Riverfront Playhouse. They don't refer to it as "the most valuable land in the park" for nothing
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.
LR was due for a very expensive rehab. The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant. The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes.
As far as you not personally getting the "wow factor" - you're not the target audience so that's to be expected.
It's a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public.
Let's pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out. You got two years to worry yet.
Quote from: BackInTime9 on January 02, 2019, 04:49:18 PM
...with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.
Lake Silver is not just a fish pond. It is a geological feature, far older than Silver Dollar City. Surely the engineers know it is not a good place to build. It would create severe drainage problems if the lake were covered up. It is also a historical feature that should be kept. I really don't expect to see Lake Silver pass away.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 03, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: mhguy77 on January 03, 2019, 07:16:36 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM
On topic when you consider the influx of customers. I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now. We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it) They closed the gates at times this year. Parking Full. I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level. Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%. If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full. SDC is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.
TF? Your post makes it sound like you've never been to SDC
mhguy77 has a point. Lost River was a big ride that helped soak up some of the summer crowds... I just wouldn't call it anything close to 20% of the park. We're talking about them being down one water ride, a couple stores, and the dockside theater. I don't think we'll really see a huge impact to the other lines in the park, but it's always nice to have plenty of options to spread people out more and LR always held a big line. By the time we get to the crazy hectic Christmas season though it's a moot point because it wouldn't be open anyway. That's when they are usually reaching capacity. Totally agree about needing more benches.
BackInTime9, I think both the engineers and the park know what they are doing. I don't think they have a huge problem designing around drainage seeing as they are built on some hilltops. As for the historical nature of the pond... lol, it was just a puddle when SDC started and they turned it into what it is today. I'm sure it will look nice in it's next iteration as well.
The new ride will have plenty of wow factor, I'm sure. Lost River wasn't exactly a prime river rapids ride. The only unique thing was how it ended going through the building. The new ride will almost definitely have some neat landscaping and updated rapids features at the very least. They aren't going through all this trouble just to get another so-so water ride. Even if enthusiasts aren't impressed, it'll be nice and new, and most importantly safer and easier to operate and maintain.
Infinity Falls is a super cool ride. I'd love to see something like that come to SDC. You can see us riding it here: https://youtu.be/sc1Ep3VE0J8
Quote from: Swoosh on January 03, 2019, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.
LR was due for a very expensive rehab. The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant. The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes.
As far as you not personally getting the "wow factor" - you're not the target audience so that's to be expected.
It's a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public.
Let's pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out. You got two years to worry yet.
Agreed, dont get all fired up about something that hasnt even been announced yet.
If you dont like the ride/attraction, go to a different area
I for one NEVER rode LR, BUT it needed a major facelift, and the PTB have decided to do so. Good for them!!
Enjoy the upgraded look of the park, walk past it and go a part of the park that makes you happy..
Whatever the new attraction is, Not everybody will like it, enjoy it, or even approve, But it had to be done..
I'm glad they are investing in a new non-coaster ride. Coasters are nice, but they aren't for everybody. You can add all the drops and loops you want, but a coaster is a coaster. A variety of rides (water rides, dark rides, coasters, etc.) is what appeals to me.
Plus, the atmosphere at the riverfront is fantastic. Even though I didn't ride the Lost River often, I love the sounds and the general feel of the riverfront area. I'm excited that they are making this investment!
Quote from: Swoosh on January 03, 2019, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.
LR was due for a very expensive rehab. The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant. The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes.
As far as you not personally getting the "wow factor" - you're not the target audience so that's to be expected.
It's a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public.
Let's pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out. You got two years to worry yet.
Outrage? I was simply asking an honest question. And I think it's a bit unfair not to mention presumptuous to say I'm not the audience for a river rapids ride. As I stated in my post, I wasn't insinuating anything. Merely asking the question about it's need an validity. Are rapids rides my favorite thing? No. Will I ride them? Of course. As will my kids. So yes, Swoosh, I am the target audience.
Me too, Pudgy! No more coasters and more non-coaster heavily themed fun rides! I did ride LR, but the last time there was such a sharp bump that it hurt a man with back problems on the ride. You could see it in his face. We all felt the bump and wondered what the heck it was. And, I love the feel of the Riverfront area, also.
I am past the point in my life that i need to get wet LOL. I have never been on River blast and probably never will. But, I also never got the feel of the Riverfront area. With that being said I am more excited about this new attraction than I was for OR and TT. And, I am a big coaster rider. I Just hope they really go with heavy theming. My favorite rides at DW in Florida are Kali and Splash Mountain because of the theming. Welll, Toy Story is pretty cool too.
I just hope SDC gets out of the clearcut mentality and invests in theming more.
I'm amazed at the level of clearing being done for this project. I also think it is very cool they are keeping parts of the old building as a reminder of the past. I expect the area will have more surprises as a reminder for LROTO similar to the BSF car on the PK building.
I'm excited for the potential of the new area, although a little concerned about the crowding this project may cause at the park in spring/summer months of 2019. Lost River was one of the busiest rides on park, and now the other rides will have to make up for its loss.
Let's just not plop another inventor in there. Using Dugan in the name would be a nice touch though.
People are really starting to notice now. People didn't really start to pay attention until the entire lake was a construction site with a fence all the way around it, lol.
Wonder if there will be a teaser campaign/misdirections for this one like with TT? Could the Wild Mountain name be revived? An adventure theme would make obvious sense here.
Photos from the last day of the season. Not much changed from our previous visit, but still more photos are always better than none
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/01/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Also to answer your question, Shave, they let the Wild Mountain TM expire.
I see you did get a picture of the "save" on that piece of superstructure....
Will look a lot different in the next 30 days, How are we going to get those pics? LOL
Whatever this is going to be - and we can assume it will be a modern upgrade of LR - it would be nice to see an integrated rib house pass through similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean.
^ Kind of a 'Lost Ribber of the Ozarks"?
Quote from: Duelist on January 06, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
^ Kind of a 'Lost Ribber of the Ozarks"?
^^^^
Did you really just say that???!!!! ::) ::)
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 06, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
I see you did get a picture of the "save" on that piece of superstructure....
Will look a lot different in the next 30 days, How are we going to get those pics? LOL
Yeah. I've had a photo of that wall saying SAVE in numerous updates now.
Well, with the park closed, any photos taken right now couldn't be posted.
Quote from: History Buff on January 06, 2019, 01:39:07 PM
Whatever this is going to be - and we can assume it will be a modern upgrade of LR - it would be nice to see an integrated rib house pass through similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean.
As of now, new Rib House will be approximately where Dockside Theatre is/was. I don't think New LR will come over that far, but we'll just have to see
Local papers and news outlets have now picked up on it. KY3 and Springfield News Leader have both had features on LR being gone and a lot of construction happening, so the word is definitely out now.
Quite interesting to be hearing speculation and thoughts both out and around the parks. While the new version of LR seems to be pretty much a lock, it feels like a good bit of the overall project is still in flux. That's not surprising though. There were parts of FL that were still influx, including the placement of some rides, even up to a month or two before it was done. So I'd honestly be shocked if there aren't things that change- even possibly some of the rumors on certain structures that may or may not be removed as part of it.
A lot of it is going to be wait and see until Spring.
Quote from: sirwillow on January 06, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
Local papers and news outlets have now picked up on it. KY3 and Springfield News Leader have both had features on LR being gone and a lot of construction happening, so the word is definitely out now.
Quite interesting to be hearing speculation and thoughts both out and around the parks. While the new version of LR seems to be pretty much a lock, it feels like a good bit of the overall project is still in flux. That's not surprising though. There were parts of FL that were still influx, including the placement of some rides, even up to a month or two before it was done. So I'd honestly be shocked if there aren't things that change- even possibly some of the rumors on certain structures that may or may not be removed as part of it.
A lot of it is going to be wait and see until Spring.
Well they were already stripping Rib House, Dockside and White River on the final day of operations so I'd say the rumors on those are solid - though White River will be repurposed for a year.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 06, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 06, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
Will look a lot different in the next 30 days, How are we going to get those pics? LOL
Well, with the park closed, any photos taken right now couldn't be posted.
You made this statement the other day, And I didnt want to answer and sound like a Smart***!!
LOL,
But here is how we will see progress between now and March,,, (this is NOT my video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAUwtci_RU#action=share
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2... lol
Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?
Quote from: shavethewhales on January 08, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2... lol
Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?
LOL, I dont know..
I just thought it was humorous, that we were just discussing pics after park closing and this showed up on another website.. ::)
If you can't tell what you're looking at. Rib House is now gone.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 08, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
If you can't tell what you're looking at. Rib House is now gone.
We knew that would be gone right away.. LOL. Looks like everything is stripped out right up to the walkway..
Amazing what they can tear up when they dont have to worry about "tomorrow". LOL
Apparently it was completely gone as of Thursday afternoon last week
Quote from: Swoosh on January 08, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
Apparently it was completely gone as of Thursday afternoon last week
No surprise, with the equipment they have on site..
2 days for building demo? no problem. ;D
I am still intriqued the "saved" Super structure is still standing....
Quote from: sanddunerider on January 08, 2019, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: shavethewhales on January 08, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2... lol
Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?
LOL, I dont know..
I just thought it was humorous, that we were just discussing pics after park closing and this showed up on another website.. ::)
You can tell the pilot is across the street (76) from the park. I think as long as he doesn't go into the space above they cant do much. I may be wrong but aerial views are not illegal.
I think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
QuoteI think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
If I am not mistaken WDW became a no fly zone on 9/11. I dont believe that SDC has the same restrictions. But this drone pilot was not on property or over it. Parked at the lot across 76 from maintenance area.
Quote from: mhguy77 on January 10, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
QuoteI think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
If I am not mistaken WDW became a no fly zone on 9/11. I dont believe that SDC has the same restrictions. But this drone pilot was not on property or over it. Parked at the lot across 76 from maintenance area.
Agreed...
Dont be surprised if some close up pics show up from local helicopter rides... Gotta love those Zoom lenses..
Didn't someone try flying a drone over the park a few years ago? I know I read that somewhere.
Quote from: Gilligan on January 10, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
Didn't someone try flying a drone over the park a few years ago? I know I read that somewhere.
The issue there was the park was prepping to open to the public.
I am a tad sad to see lost river go but excited about what could be done there. No reason it cant still be a hopping riverfront. I hope they keep the rock stream that ran down by the dockside and dont see why they couldnt.
Of all this, the part that hurts the most is honestly losng the Dockside theatre. I really liked that place and it was set up so well by the stream and lost river, etc. was my favorite venue to watch a show. Liked the big sign up above and the wood benches, too.
And I am kind of surprised they could do away with it and still have space for shows, I have to believe they replace it with a new one somewhere. But I guess this makes the cajun connection decision make more sense.
I was sure to watch them twice and walk around that area when I visited in December.
Maybe we did and I missed it, but I kind of wish we got some sort of warning or foreshadow that LR would be demolished/taken out. For some people, LR is their favorite ride and it's probably sad for them to come to the park and it all of a sudden be gone or not get their last ride on it.
Quote from: pfranke03 on January 23, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Maybe we did and I missed it, but I kind of wish we got some sort of warning or foreshadow that LR would be demolished/taken out. For some people, LR is their favorite ride and it's probably sad for them to come to the park and it all of a sudden be gone or not get their last ride on it.
I thought the same thing originally, but no matter what people would be upset about the ride closing so I don't think it actually matters much if they announce it closing or not.
Quote from: Tmboote on January 23, 2019, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: pfranke03 on January 23, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Maybe we did and I missed it, but I kind of wish we got some sort of warning or foreshadow that LR would be demolished/taken out. For some people, LR is their favorite ride and it's probably sad for them to come to the park and it all of a sudden be gone or not get their last ride on it.
I thought the same thing originally, but no matter what people would be upset about the ride closing so I don't think it actually matters much if they announce it closing or not.
Keep in mind they did not close the ride early...
they finished the season,
when Old time Christmas started,
they boarded it up and started the Dozers>!!
Quote from: pfranke03 on January 23, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Maybe we did and I missed it, but I kind of wish we got some sort of warning or foreshadow that LR would be demolished/taken out. For some people, LR is their favorite ride and it's probably sad for them to come to the park and it all of a sudden be gone or not get their last ride on it.
Well... we had been saying on here that it was going to happen most of the season. Those posts probably got buried by the peanut gallery's normal noise but they were there. Pretty much at the start of the season.
They started letting people know that it would be going away this past Fall on the tram ride apparently, but that was the only official mention. They don't like to make a big deal out of ride retirements for obvious reasons. Better to celebrate something new than spark a public outrage. They can't announce what is replacing it yet either because that would just drive people to other parks this year to wait for the next new thing. Gotta keep the focus on what is new and marketable, otherwise people will be drawn away by the competition. Not that WOF and SFStL are putting up much of a fight these days.
Quote from: shavethewhales on January 23, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
They started letting people know that it would be going away this past Fall on the tram ride apparently, but that was the only official mention. They don't like to make a big deal out of ride retirements for obvious reasons. Better to celebrate something new than spark a public outrage. They can't announce what is replacing it yet either because that would just drive people to other parks this year to wait for the next new thing. Gotta keep the focus on what is new and marketable, otherwise people will be drawn away by the competition. Not that WOF and SFStL are putting up much of a fight these days.
WOF has been working hard on building up their infrastructure. Their next coaster should come in 2020 and be located in the Forum area. SFSTL has resigned itself to be a regional park.
Quote from: Preachin_Bill on January 19, 2019, 12:36:42 PM
Of all this, the part that hurts the most is honestly losng the Dockside theatre. I really liked that place and it was set up so well by the stream and lost river, etc. was my favorite venue to watch a show. Liked the big sign up above and the wood benches, too.
Has there been any confirmation yet that the theater is actually gone? Outside of a couple of people predicting its demise, I haven't seen anything yet that has shown or confirmed it's removal. I've actually seen rumors that it's just getting an overhaul and update- certainly unconfirmed as I really don't know what's happening to it, if anything.
Last over head image I saw both it and Rube Dugan's trading post were both still there, though I imagine the store would be on the list to go just based on the side of the walkway it's on.
Quote from: Swoosh on January 23, 2019, 02:56:09 PM
...the peanut gallery's normal noise...
You are such an excellent ambassador for the park's devoted fans.
Quote from: sirwillow on January 24, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
Quote from: Preachin_Bill on January 19, 2019, 12:36:42 PM
Of all this, the part that hurts the most is honestly losng the Dockside theatre. I really liked that place and it was set up so well by the stream and lost river, etc. was my favorite venue to watch a show. Liked the big sign up above and the wood benches, too.
Has there been any confirmation yet that the theater is actually gone? Outside of a couple of people predicting its demise, I haven't seen anything yet that has shown or confirmed it's removal. I've actually seen rumors that it's just getting an overhaul and update- certainly unconfirmed as I really don't know what's happening to it, if anything.
Last over head image I saw both it and Rube Dugan's trading post were both still there, though I imagine the store would be on the list to go just based on the side of the walkway it's on.
Theatre might still be up, but everything up to White River is gone.
The park has begun testing a mock up of a smaller section of slide, like what will be used on the new Lost River. This is located in the Shadd Parking Lot (the one that's behind Red Gold) but the set up is visible (well the back of it is) from 76.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/02/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
It's not surprising that they are already working with mock ups considering that this will be an "in house" build. Supposedly this is the first ride designed and built exclusively by the park since the last Lost River.
Thats all new since I was there about 3 weeks ago...
Is this in the parking lot they had all torn up, right behind red gold?..
Have they redone that lot? concrete? asphalt?
or just working on the base under where concrete was?
Quote from: sanddunerider on February 25, 2019, 08:32:06 AM
Thats all new since I was there about 3 weeks ago...
Is this in the parking lot they had all torn up, right behind red gold?..
Have they redone that lot? concrete? asphalt?
or just working on the base under where concrete was?
Hard to tell. They had so many shipping containers blocking the view
Quote from: Swoosh on February 24, 2019, 10:18:48 PM
It's not surprising that they are already working with mock ups considering that this will be an "in house" build. Supposedly this is the first ride designed and built exclusively by the park since the last Lost River.
What do you mean by an "in house" build? Does that mean that there isn't a specific manufacture making/designing the ride?
Quote from: Swoosh on February 24, 2019, 10:18:48 PM
It's not surprising that they are already working with mock ups considering that this will be an "in house" build. Supposedly this is the first ride designed and built exclusively by the park since the last Lost River.
It's not an Intamin?
Quote from: legoerosion on February 25, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
What do you mean by an "in house" build?
Does that mean that there isn't a specific manufacture making/designing the ride?
Quote from: shavethewhales on February 25, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
It's not an Intamin?
I keep hearing/being told that this being designed and built in house by the park. Now they might buy certain components from a company but the manufacturer building this is "Silver Dollar City"
Quote from: Swoosh on February 25, 2019, 04:15:35 PM
Hard to tell. They had so many shipping containers blocking the view
Looks like a lot of containers.. There were a few, BUT nothing like what i see in your pics.. Must be LOTS of parts to this new project..!! LOL
Looks like the original Lost River rafts there in the background. So are they reusing them to test for the new ride? Most importantly, does this evidence along with them stating it will be built in-house kill the speculation that this could be a variation or clone of Infinity Falls? (I was actually looking forward to it after seeing the videos posted on YouTube) Or will this merely be SDC's take on the ride with their own unique style reusing the old rafts?
The next few months will prove to be most interesting...
It literally just says that they're testing a mock up. However if you want to dive down a rabbit of speculation be my guest, but I have no intentions of following
I wonder what happened to the dude with the drone.. we could really use his view :o
It seems like a lot of parks claim that their rapids rides were built "in-house" even if they are technically Intamin rides. I wonder if it's because with rapids rides you have to do most of the work through a local contractor team rather than ordering track from a manufacturer. Intamin probably just provides boats, lifts, operating systems, and such, leaving the park to build all of the trough and install everything.
In any case, I'm glad they are testing it now and hopefully working the kinks out instead of having an Infinity Falls fiasco.
Well FWIW, the slide parts appear to match the Infinity Falls slide exactly.
Shave, you're probably correct with your assumptions but I'm going off what they're saying
Quote from: shavethewhales on February 26, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
It seems like a lot of parks claim that their rapids rides were built "in-house" even if they are technically Intamin rides. I wonder if it's because with rapids rides you have to do most of the work through a local contractor team rather than ordering track from a manufacturer. Intamin probably just provides boats, lifts, operating systems, and such, leaving the park to build all of the trough and install everything.
That's pretty much exactly the case. Intamin or another company will provide the mechanics of the ride- the boats, station systems and such, but the course layout, design, obstacles to create the rapids, drops and other such things are usually done by the parks themselves. They'll work together with the ride company to make sure that it's all going to actually work, but the park will do the vast majority of that other work on their own.
Quote from: sirwillow on March 04, 2019, 01:09:03 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on February 26, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
It seems like a lot of parks claim that their rapids rides were built "in-house" even if they are technically Intamin rides. I wonder if it's because with rapids rides you have to do most of the work through a local contractor team rather than ordering track from a manufacturer. Intamin probably just provides boats, lifts, operating systems, and such, leaving the park to build all of the trough and install everything.
That's pretty much exactly the case. Intamin or another company will provide the mechanics of the ride- the boats, station systems and such, but the course layout, design, obstacles to create the rapids, drops and other such things are usually done by the parks themselves. They'll work together with the ride company to make sure that it's all going to actually work, but the park will do the vast majority of that other work on their own.
In all fairness (and not to take away from parks employees and their time involved), the park will be hiring sub contractors to do most of the work..
The demo (park doesnt own that equip)
Haul off debris,
Haul in fill material,
set elevations and prep ground work,
actual pouring of concrete,
Actual assembly of new station and launch area,
water pumps and all the piping to make it work,
Electrical..
....the park just does not own this type of equipment, and i doubt if they have enough "trained" employees to do this type of construction. Now, can they help? YES, can they do some of the construction? YES. Will the park oversee the project? I am sure yes.. But the majority o the "heavy work" will be hired out
AND again, I am not taking anything away from the guys at the park.. they do a great job, fixing, repairing, prepping, designing, lots of ideas. They will No doubt help ALOT.. They have a BIG job, with lots of responsilbilty, but they just are not set up to do this job themselves...
So the park is basically the general contractor with subcontractors completing most of the work.
I look at it like the project that I'm currently working on for the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority.
1. There was an engineer/architect that designed the project (compare to Intamin).
2. A general contractor won the bid, but they are not specialist in the type work required, so they have hired subcontractors to take care of all the main work (Compare to Silver Dollar City being the Owner/Builder).
3. Subcontractors include: electrical, structural, signing, carpentry, finishing, paving, etc.
4. There are also a long list of suppliers providing steel, tolling facilities, lighting, etc.
5. The General Contractor (Silver Dollar City) is overseeing everything and running the construction, but the majority of the work is being done by others.
Jay
Quote from: cowboy on March 04, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
So the park is basically the general contractor with subcontractors completing most of the work.
I look at it like the project that I'm currently working on for the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority.
1. There was an engineer/architect that designed the project (compare to Intamin).
2. A general contractor won the bid, but they are not specialist in the type work required, so they have hired subcontractors to take care of all the main work (Compare to Silver Dollar City being the Owner/Builder).
3. Subcontractors include: electrical, structural, signing, carpentry, finishing, paving, etc.
4. There are also a long list of suppliers providing steel, tolling facilities, lighting, etc.
5. The General Contractor (Silver Dollar City) is overseeing everything and running the construction, but the majority of the work is being done by others.
Jay
Well we know for sure Carr is doing the earthmoving
I know that the Lost River Rebuild is the big news for 2020. But there is something even bigger going on in 2020. 2020 will be the parks 60th anniversary. I am wondering if they will celebrate like the 50th or let the new ride be the star of the year ?
Maybe since it is not a milestone anniversary it may pass without much fanfare but I will bet that some serious marketing will happen to celebrate.
So... remember that "save wall" — I've heard reports that it's gone now. Waiting on confirmation.
Depending on how it goes for Dollywood this season, I also suspect that 2020 will bring tiered Season Pass levels to SDC.
DW has always had tiered passes as long as I can remember. This isn't a new thing. And no I don't see SDC doing this. DW has the luxury of having their Waterpark literally next door AND a real resort. SDC doesn't have that
Actually now that I look at it closer, the Gold pass is really just bundling in parking. So not really any different than the SDC Pass + parking other than some additional discounts. Dollywood just markets it differently.
False alarm on me thinking that it was a true tiered pass system.
FYI, there is already some trough for the new Lost River in place. It's directly behind the fence across from Dockside Theatre. You'll note how close it is to the main midway.
Quote from: Swoosh on March 13, 2019, 05:58:05 PM
FYI, there is already some trough for the new Lost River in place. It's directly behind the fence across from Dockside Theatre. You'll note how close it is to the main midway.
Thats a little surprising..
that area must be ok for elevation and water flow already...
the rest of the area will take quite a bit of time to get finished up...
Photos from today are all posted. I just did a real quick passthrough on them- a few crops and that's about it. You can see everything- lots of construction, but also a good number around the park as well- on my photo site at:https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/ (https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/)
I'm in the process of rendering the video now, so I'm actually optimisted that I may have it posted and live in about an hour and a half to 2 hours. Depending on how fast my computer decides to work. :-)
Looks like it's going to be a really slow upload for some reason. So look for the video on my YouTube channel tomorrow morning
Quote from: sirwillow on March 14, 2019, 06:25:28 PM
Photos from today are all posted. I just did a real quick passthrough on them- a few crops and that's about it. You can see everything- lots of construction, but also a good number around the park as well- on my photo site at:https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/ (https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/)
I'm in the process of rendering the video now, so I'm actually optimisted that I may have it posted and live in about an hour and a half to 2 hours. Depending on how fast my computer decides to work. :-)
Great pictures!
Thanks so much for sharing! Awesome photos.
So Dockside has survived after all... lots of rumors that they would clear cut this whole area, but perhaps they backed off. Or maybe it will come down later. Too bad the nice little creek is gone. That whole area had a nice ambiance to it, but I'm sure the finished product will be nice too. Glad to see the flume is still partially in place - hopefully it returns.
Going to be a fun season watching this ride go up. Keep sharing those photos everyone.
Yeah we confirmed it (Dockside) was staying (at least for this season) awhile ago.
good pics,
parks looks great of course....
am I seeing wrong?
or is the big super structure they were "saving" last year....gone now?
the dirt work is about I would expect to see for now, lots of work will start to progress, now with the weather starting warm up..
Great pics!! Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: sirwillow on March 14, 2019, 06:25:28 PM
Photos from today are all posted. I just did a real quick passthrough on them- a few crops and that's about it. You can see everything- lots of construction, but also a good number around the park as well- on my photo site at:https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/ (https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Silver-Dollar-City/14-March-2019-Opening-Week/)
I'm in the process of rendering the video now, so I'm actually optimisted that I may have it posted and live in about an hour and a half to 2 hours. Depending on how fast my computer decides to work. :-)
Video is up. You can see it with lots of the construction site at https://youtu.be/YplIE_SuDAo
Great video, great pictures. anxious to see it for myself..
I noticed in all the pics they have gone out of their way NOT to disturb the east half of Lake Silver. Still be interesting to see what they do with that area..
QuoteVideo is up. You can see it with lots of the construction site at https://youtu.be/YplIE_SuDAo
Great update! The stream is very nice, good addition!. I hate to see the stream-less path down to the "water" I dont think that will return. Looking forward to more development in the lake silver area.
Awesome video. I like that they added that new stream to kind of make up for taking out the path stream. That's a good indication that they are going to make this area look really nice when it's all done.
I really thought they were going to cut more into this area of the park, so all-in-all it's not that much impact for the time being. Good to see Dockside getting some use still, and hope they end up keeping it after all.
CONSTRUCTION UPDATE - NEW RIVER
Sunday March 17, 2019
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jKBFyykDV-A/XI8HJjbUguI/AAAAAAAAyl8/xSPa9Y8iPdgmIhpZBzLfQ9XcHCfLxLc9QCLcBGAs/s400/IMG_7640.JPG)
What looks like and is assumed to be "trough" for the new water attraction appears to be awfully narrow for traditional river rapids rafts like that of the old LRO or an Infinity Falls type ride. Is the photo just deceiving, or is there chance the raft system will be something all together new and different?
QuoteWhat looks like and is assumed to be "trough" for the new water attraction appears to be awfully narrow for traditional river rapids rafts like that of the old LRO or an Infinity Falls type ride. Is the photo just deceiving, or is there chance the raft system will be something all together new and different?
I was going to ask how many they thought the new ride tubes would sit. I thought they would go ahead and go up to 8 or 10 but maybe not. It does look small, maybe its the angle?
I wondered the same thing.
^If you click back a couple pages in this thread I made the note with one of the photos that they appear to have saved the old rafts and were apparently using them for testing. This trough above seems to support the theory that they are indeed being reused. I don't think the newer (larger) boats would fit in those.
They are only using the old rafts for testing of the slide pieces. The slide pieces have been moved back into the woods again. I have heard nothing about reusing the rafts - with the current direction the park is going I highly doubt they'd reuse them. Anymore, they'd rather tear down a building and build a brand new one even if the only thing wrong with the building is that it needed a new coat of paint.
Maybe that's how they funnel the rafts into the loading dock? To me it looks like it's leading into what Swoosh is speculating the station to me.
EDIT: Nevermind, the foundation for the station looks to be in the background of the section they're making
Quote from: sdcfan88 on March 18, 2019, 07:40:56 PM
^If you click back a couple pages in this thread I made the note with one of the photos that they appear to have saved the old rafts and were apparently using them for testing. This trough above seems to support the theory that they are indeed being reused. I don't think the newer (larger) boats would fit in those.
Right, but even the old rafts seem like they would be too large for this trough. Will be interesting to see how the project progresses. On a separate, but related note. If it is assumed that a newer version of Lake Silver will in fact flank the new attraction, I'm curious what the motivation is in keeping it at all. The aesthetic value in doing so is obvious, but that real estate seems way too valuable to throw a smaller "lake" back into the space. Given how easily the old lake was drained to allow for construction of the 2020 project, does anyone have reason to believe the newer lake might only be temporary until another attraction is shoehorned into the footprint?
It sounds like the old rafts have found a new home at a park known for a butterfly logo. I'll see if I can spot them during my visit later this week.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on March 18, 2019, 07:40:56 PM
On a separate, but related note. If it is assumed that a newer version of Lake Silver will in fact flank the new attraction, I'm curious what the motivation is in keeping it at all. The aesthetic value in doing so is obvious, but that real estate seems way too valuable to throw a smaller "lake" back into the space. Given how easily the old lake was drained to allow for construction of the 2020 project, does anyone have reason to believe the newer lake might only be temporary until another attraction is shoehorned into the footprint?
Raft rides have to have a place for the water to go when the pumps are shut off. When the pumps are shut off the trough drains into either a holding pond, if not the lowest end of the ride has to have walls high enough to hold all the water from the entire ride.
So was LRO fed entirely through the water from Lake Silver? Goes without saying that constructing a holding pond for the water versus utilizing a "natural" source already on site would be much more costly, but using a natural lake also doesn't feel very sanitary. Is water circulated and filtered through pumps that run the attraction in this case?
Confirmed. The old Lost River rafts are arriving at Dollywood right now. Photos later tonight
Quote from: Swoosh on March 21, 2019, 05:28:55 PM
Confirmed. The old Lost River rafts are arriving at Dollywood right now. Photos later tonight
Do they have a raft ride similar to the LR?
First of all, aren't there multiple locations in the park where water is recirculated into water features? Would those also originate in the lake? Secondly, the fact that they rebuilt the whole FL side of the lake and called it FL would indicate that the lake will stay in the long term. I expect more improvements to the shoreline in combination with this project.
Quote from: Okiebenz on March 21, 2019, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on March 21, 2019, 05:28:55 PM
Confirmed. The old Lost River rafts are arriving at Dollywood right now. Photos later tonight
Do they have a raft ride similar to the LR?
Yes. Smoky Mountain Rampage
Here are the photos of the Lost River rafts arriving at Dollywood
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_21.html
Quote from: Swoosh on March 21, 2019, 09:03:50 PM
Here are the photos of the Lost River rafts arriving at Dollywood
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_21.html
I find it interesting that the rafts are being rplaced at SDC, But yet they are good enough to reuse at the sister park. Just strikes me as funny.
No doubt they would be sold and move on, But to stay in the family, funny to me
Is it possible that the rafts for this ride be more traditional and not round with side by side seating and always forward facing, A hybrid Raft/Flume ride?
QuoteIs it possible that the rafts for this ride be more traditional and not round with side by side seating and always forward facing, A hybrid Raft/Flume ride?
My question ( I have not seen in person) the trough with the full turn looks small, it might be the angle the photo is at. Could this be a trough to carry just water? Maybe this is part of maintaining the water flow but will not carry a tube. Possible?
Expect the model of the rafts to be almost identical to Infinity Falls. The gauge of the trough is exactly the same.
Quote from: sanddunerider on March 22, 2019, 07:26:16 AM
Quote from: Swoosh on March 21, 2019, 09:03:50 PM
Here are the photos of the Lost River rafts arriving at Dollywood
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_21.html
I find it interesting that the rafts are being rplaced at SDC, But yet they are good enough to reuse at the sister park. Just strikes me as funny.
No doubt they would be sold and move on, But to stay in the family, funny to me
The center of gravity of the smaller rafts allows for more intense maneuvers. This isn't just the typical bob and splash river rapids this time
Was out there for just a short time today, Took a ride on the new engine, number 14, and shot a little video of the construction site from it. Not a long video, but will give you a glimpse of the changes in the last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngNa6R4yjQg
Have we discussed the dirt moving behind red gold and fireman's landing? Because I cannot remember why they are doing this. Lots of activity back there today.
Quote from: DianaGail on March 22, 2019, 04:53:19 PM
Have we discussed the dirt moving behind red gold and fireman's landing? Because I cannot remember why they are doing this. Lots of activity back there today.
Trail for Pumpkin Nights. The main party will be directly behind RGHH which is one reason that parking lot is being redone
Quote from: sirwillow on March 22, 2019, 04:28:15 PM
Was out there for just a short time today, Took a ride on the new engine, number 14, and shot a little video of the construction site from it. Not a long video, but will give you a glimpse of the changes in the last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngNa6R4yjQg
Nice video,
the construction area is huge!
Great video thank you for that Sir WIllow. Sometimes short and sweet is just what is needed and this video told the story fast!
I am wondering about the earthen damn they have started on. Do you guys think they will have a walk on this road area? Circuit the walkways here around the lake?
Quote from: mhguy77 on March 23, 2019, 10:50:29 AM
I am wondering about the earthen damn they have started on. Do you guys think they will have a walk on this road area? Circuit the walkways here around the lake?
I expect that the earthen dam is not more than a temp retaining wall to keep old lake silver water and drainage out of the new site.
I wouldnt guess how it will be finished off later, But I dont see a walkway there, really no place to go..
I personally hope that IF the lake stays, They will be in finished walls all the way around. Would look much better, But time will tell..
Considering the lake was indeed a natural feature that predates the park I do think they will keep it intact to some degree.
From the SDC Fans FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/sdcfans/posts/10161410125115063?__xts__
SLIDE PARTS LOCATED
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_31.html
TEASER CAMPAIGN HAS STARTED
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-teasers-sdc.html
Swoosh, do those slide parts match part of Infinity Falls? looking at some video's of I.F. the drop (slide) doesn't seem to match those parts....but of course I'm basing that opinion based on what I saw at SDC driving by on 76 and video of Sea World.
Do you think we might have something more than just a regular drop that has been done before?
Jay
Wow, time is going by quickly. This thing is going to be going vertical before I can even get out there to see the construction site for myself. I guess it already is going vertical technically with some of the trough already in place.
Interesting nod to the old Lost River name... and a hint at an adventure theme...
This may be silly to think so brace yourselves.......but Infinity Falls has a giant slide into a pool of water, right? Do you think it will be a replacement for AP? Two birds and all, it would replace LR and give the big slide like AP. Just a thought. Again, silly.......right?
RIVER RAPIDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_63.html
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
RIVER RAPIDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_63.html
So are we thinking the "Riverfront Food Court" is going to include a new Rib House since it appears to be expanding into the lake?
Quote from: History Buff on April 02, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
RIVER RAPIDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_63.html
So are we thinking the "Riverfront Food Court" is going to include a new Rib House since it appears to be expanding into the lake?
No. It's going near the new rapids ride
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: History Buff on April 02, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
RIVER RAPIDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_63.html
So are we thinking the "Riverfront Food Court" is going to include a new Rib House since it appears to be expanding into the lake?
No. It's going near the new rapids ride
It's hard to get bearings by just looking at the photos. (This was the best update so far, btw.) It seemed to me that the food court and the rapids might be near each other already, and that the Rib House might feed into a mutual dining area.
Anyway, I'd love to see the ride and the Rib House "interact" with each other somehow - have the rapids sail right through the middle or something.
Quote from: History Buff on April 02, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
Anyway, I'd love to see the ride and the Rib House "interact" with each other somehow - have the rapids sail right through the middle or something.
As a HUGE fan of California's Pirates of the Caribbean ride that goes through the Blue Bayou restaurant, I absolutely LOVE the idea of this.
Quote from: History Buff on April 02, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: History Buff on April 02, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 02, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
RIVER RAPIDS CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_63.html
So are we thinking the "Riverfront Food Court" is going to include a new Rib House since it appears to be expanding into the lake?
No. It's going near the new rapids ride
It's hard to get bearings by just looking at the photos. (This was the best update so far, btw.) It seemed to me that the food court and the rapids might be near each other already, and that the Rib House might feed into a mutual dining area.
Anyway, I'd love to see the ride and the Rib House "interact" with each other somehow - have the rapids sail right through the middle or something.
The last I heard anything about exact location, they made it sound like it would have the River go around it making it feel like it was on an "island" and you'd access the new Ribhouse via a bridge. That info could be old though, so take it with a grain of salt for now.
Photos from today. Feel free to use them if you need them for something. The first photo is new concrete poured. This was close to the old entrance for lost river.
APRIL 19 UPDATE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html
Lots of new stuff -- and check out how they've already started to landscape the shores of the new river.
Interesting update. Thanks all for posting. I am betting that massive pit made for that footer is gonna be the elevator tower for one of those big slide drop sections. And I'm glad to see they are already getting started with some landscape/themeing work. Hope they go all out with it thru the course of the ride.
Hopefully I will be able to finally get up there and check it out for myself next week. :)
Without being too redundant to what others posted, I just officially made my first visit of the season yesterday and here is a few photos I snapped thru the fence with my DSLR.
As mentioned by others, there are several troughs already constructed along with a large concrete structure, also noted a large rectangle pit about 30-50 feet wide and 6-7 feet deep with lots of reebar for what looks like a tower structure of sorts going up just to the west of the large concrete structure which I have also assumed to be the new station building.
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8546_3.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8532_2.jpg)
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(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8521_0.jpg)
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(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8535.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8525_1.jpg)
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(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8537_1.jpg)
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Also noted the fact that they apparently went thru a lot of trouble to salvage the rockwork from the previous ride as they have already carefully laid it down next to some of the troughs already constructed in the same style as the former ride.
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8527_0.jpg)
(https://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_img_8530_3.jpg)
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Those are some great pics.. I really like the landscaping they have already started..
thanks.....
^^ couple comments
1. The rock work is all new. They didn't save anything
2. I agree that the footer is for the tower/slide regardless of what the blowhard Andrew says on TPR.
Quote from: Swoosh on April 25, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
^^ couple comments
1. The rock work is all new. They didn't save anything
2. I agree that the footer is for the tower/slide regardless of what the blowhard Andrew says on TPR.
Im surprised nothing was saved,,, the big stones have Age, Weathering and Moss on them. Look like they have been there before... for sure fits well..
And here is the video I also took: https://youtu.be/IqaEkmdTZeQ
Trademark Filings:
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Nice job
If those rocks are new, then that's great stuff on the landscaping already. Love it.
Thanks for the photos!
Thanks all.
Quote from: sanddunerider on April 25, 2019, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 25, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
^^ couple comments
1. The rock work is all new. They didn't save anything
2. I agree that the footer is for the tower/slide regardless of what the blowhard Andrew says on TPR.
Im surprised nothing was saved,,, the big stones have Age, Weathering and Moss on them. Look like they have been there before... for sure fits well..
Quote from: shavethewhales on April 25, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
If those rocks are new, then that's great stuff on the landscaping already. Love it.
Thanks for the photos!
Agreed on both. I feel more optimistic that they may indeed be able to preserve the charm of the original ride. Hope they go all out on the landscaping and from what it looks like they are off to a good start.
SDC applied for some new trade marks. Some of these may be the name of the new ride "Lost Caverns", Mystic River Falls" or "Pearl's Float Trip". Of course, it might just stay Lost River of the Ozarks.
Three days after the trademark application was filed, mysticriverfalls.com was purchased using a private domain name registration service. Same with pearlsfloattrip.com.
Quote from: woodgrain on April 26, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
Three days after the trademark application was filed, mysticriverfalls.com was purchased using a private domain name registration service. Same with pearlsfloattrip.com.
Or was that just you doing some domain squatting, JJH? ;)
Not me.
I guess Mystic River Falls could be related to (or a reference to) the Mystic River Passage in Marvel Cave?
Quote from: JJH on April 26, 2019, 02:53:15 PM
SDC applied for some new trade marks. Some of these may be the name of the new ride "Lost Caverns", Mystic River Falls" or "Pearl's Float Trip". Of course, it might just stay Lost River of the Ozarks.
I was wondering when someone would find those.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on April 25, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
Thanks all.
Quote from: sanddunerider on April 25, 2019, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on April 25, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
^^ couple comments
1. The rock work is all new. They didn't save anything
2. I agree that the footer is for the tower/slide regardless of what the blowhard Andrew says on TPR.
Im surprised nothing was saved,,, the big stones have Age, Weathering and Moss on them. Look like they have been there before... for sure fits well..
Quote from: shavethewhales on April 25, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
If those rocks are new, then that's great stuff on the landscaping already. Love it.
Thanks for the photos!
Agreed on both. I feel more optimistic that they may indeed be able to preserve the charm of the original ride. Hope they go all out on the landscaping and from what it looks like they are off to a good start.
It may be they are sitting those stones now during building process, because as the pour more concrete and finish more curves and troughs , they may not be able to reach that particular area.. (easily)... PLUS it looks great!
That's exactly the case. They don't want to paint themselves into a corner.
Photos from today shot through the fence on my phone https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1162763080570591&id=552161658297406
I am surprised not more water standing around from storms...
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
QuoteMystic River Falls
Did I miss that now we have a proper name?
Quote from: Swoosh on May 16, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Another good set of pics..
I like the pic of trough with Cat Skid Loader beside it... puts into perspective how big the trough actually is..
Other pictures we have seen trough looks small with the massive construction going on around them
Quote from: Swoosh on May 16, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
So we have a name? Wonder if the other trademarks were just to throw folks off of the scent? Or if they will be elements of the story of the new ride?
If it is Mystic River Falls, I'd say that further supports what the photos and speculation point at -- that this will feature a lift and a slide.
Quote from: woodgrain on May 17, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: Swoosh on May 16, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
So we have a name? Wonder if the other trademarks were just to throw folks off of the scent? Or if they will be elements of the story of the new ride?
If it is Mystic River Falls, I'd say that further supports what the photos and speculation point at -- that this will feature a lift and a slide.
i would bet on lift and slide,
I expect this attraction/ride to replace Lost River AND American Plunge..
AP will come out and probably another coaster will grow in that location..... IMO
If AP is leaving, it won't be anytime soon as there's been practically nothing said about it in rumors. FITH and FM on the other hand are pretty much roars with FITH being the loudest (new open in 2021 with current timeline) and FM being a little more of a mystery (it might not even be replaced at all - their words, not mine - it'll just be removed so they can drop in a newer project)
Quote from: Swoosh on May 17, 2019, 03:27:59 PM
If AP is leaving, it won't be anytime soon as there's been practically nothing said about it in rumors. FITH and FM on the other hand are pretty much roars with FITH being the loudest (new open in 2021 with current timeline) and FM being a little more of a mystery (it might not even be replaced at all - their words, not mine - it'll just be removed so they can drop in a newer project)
I didnt speculate AP would be gone in the next year or so.
But more when it is gone, it will be replaced with something different. Like in line with your thoughts about FM.
I would really love for them to revamp the current AP which might include adding back in the abandoned sections of river. I pointed those out to the kid last time we were there over by the WF and he was fascinated with it.
Quote from: Swoosh on May 16, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Just in case anyone missed the latest update
It would be pretty cool if they turned AP into a newer version of Buzz Saw Falls that was replaced by Powder Keg.
Quote from: Swoosh on May 17, 2019, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on May 16, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Mystic River Falls Construction from Mother's Day
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/05/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Just in case anyone missed the latest update
Thanks for that. And yeah interesting we already got names leaked. Saw those a few days ago and made note of them in my other post. I had also seen they went and further drained what was left of Lake Silver, looks like some construction might move over there soon as they had one of the mini excavators parked over there. And yeah that one hole/footer is still quite massive when seen in person. Definitely gonna be a lift or tower structure of some kind.
Quote from: pfranke03 on May 17, 2019, 10:44:28 PM
It would be pretty cool if they turned AP into a newer version of Buzz Saw Falls that was replaced by Powder Keg.
Not likely to ever happen. While I always had a soft spot for Buzzsaw Falls and thought it had a neat concept with a lot of potential, it just wasn't executed well. It was a major maintenance headache for the park which is why it got converted in the first place. Though some could argue Powderkeg isn't much better maintenance wise.
And now with Time Traveler, they have yet another temperamental coaster on their hands as they have quickly learned. Their next coaster really needs to be a GCI or more notably a B&M.
For those curious, here are some construction progress photos. Shot these while at the park yesterday.
VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k60A54hthY
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great photos. what a convoluted mess those pipes look like. lol
Great Pics.. Lets have some water pipes!!! LOL... I hope they have a good schematic..
Quote from: sanddunerider on May 31, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Great Pics.. Lets have some water pipes!!! LOL... I hope they have a good schematic..
The water pipes are for the new Rib House. It's a little hard to follow where each photo is without captions, but that's what all of those white pipes are for near the fence
Quote from: Swoosh on May 31, 2019, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on May 31, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Great Pics.. Lets have some water pipes!!! LOL... I hope they have a good schematic..
The water pipes are for the new Rib House. It's a little hard to follow where each photo is without captions, but that's what all of those white pipes are for near the fence
IF that is for Rib House, thats a lot of water pipes and Elect Conduit for 1 building, Bu then again that particlar area may be the restrooms...
Quote from: sanddunerider on June 01, 2019, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: Swoosh on May 31, 2019, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on May 31, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Great Pics.. Lets have some water pipes!!! LOL... I hope they have a good schematic..
The water pipes are for the new Rib House. It's a little hard to follow where each photo is without captions, but that's what all of those white pipes are for near the fence
IF that is for Rib House, thats a lot of water pipes and Elect Conduit for 1 building, But then again that particlar area may be the restrooms...
Looks exactly like how Cotton Blossom BBQ at WOF looked before it went vertical.
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LOOK!!! More water pipes and plumbing!!
I do wonder if new water cannons and another splash pad will go in here somewhere.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on June 04, 2019, 03:56:39 AM
I do wonder if new water cannons and another splash pad will go in here somewhere.
They left the control boxes for water canons on the path to the Farm.
Great photos as always, thanks for sharing.
Doesn't the channel look kind of wonky? The edge walls aren't quite as deep and straight as the old ones, or maybe my memory's just bad. Hard to conceptualize what it will look like in action for some reason.
Lots of big foundational elements still going up. Can't wait to see them finally start fleshing out the rest of the channel.
Quote from: shavethewhales on June 04, 2019, 06:56:00 PM
Great photos as always, thanks for sharing.
Doesn't the channel look kind of wonky? The edge walls aren't quite as deep and straight as the old ones, or maybe my memory's just bad. Hard to conceptualize what it will look like in action for some reason.
Lots of big foundational elements still going up. Can't wait to see them finally start fleshing out the rest of the channel.
Very hard to "picture" it for sure so far.. the Channels will look 150% different after landscaping, Blue Paint and full of water.. LOL..
Anxious for structure to start going vertical
Photo Update for Mystic River Falls (Sunday June 9)
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/06/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Found out that there is land clearing behind firemans landing as well. Could this possibly be for a future project? Or is it just for the rapids?
Quote from: blatym on June 10, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
Found out that there is land clearing behind firemans landing as well. Could this possibly be for a future project? Or is it just for the rapids?
has nothing to do with rapids.... MAYBE something to do with the new Halloween/lantern festival event..
I didn't notice until today when I went down in the cave that there is a passage called "mystic river". It would make a lot of sense and a cool connection if the new water rapids is called that. "Mystic river passage" is a passage that the length is still unknown, in my opinion I can see sdc jumping on that theme.
Well Lost River is also in the Caverns.
Lost Caverns?
Yep. Never forget that a bunch of you were convinced that Time Traveler was going to be called Wild Mountain and Mountain Wings because that's what the teasers said.
Psst it's never that simple with SDC
The email alert sign-up page is now live. This is the beginning of the real teasers, presumably. https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/20news
Notice the #lostcaverns hash tag.
Seems to be sticking with the cave theme? That would be awesome!
Quote from: shavethewhales on June 15, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
The email alert sign-up page is now live. This is the beginning of the real teasers, presumably. https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/20news
Notice the #lostcaverns hash tag.
Seems to be sticking with the cave theme? That would be awesome!
That page has been live since the teaser posters went up.
Also remember #adventuremountain #mountainwings ?
Maybe don't put as much stock into the teaser hashtags like you did last time.
Do you think they would really spill the name this early?
Quote from: pfranke03 on June 15, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
Do you think they would really spill the name this early?
Well, in his defense, there were a lot that refused to believe that it was going to be called Time Traveler last go around. It's hard to break old habits
LOL, Swoosh, I couldn't roll my eyes any harder.
I really don't care what the name ends up being, I just like the marketing and the developments so far.
And yes, I really didn't think they would settle on "Time Traveler" as the actual name, lol. That one is still weird to me. ::)
Lets settle the argument and call it Mystic Cavern Falls. lol ::)
But on a serious note, hopefully this is alluding to them keeping the indoor/dark ride segment from the Lost River finale in the new ride. What would be sweet is if they go all out to have a slide/elevator lift built into a faux mountain structure and you slide into a cave for the finale.
Link to the teaser: https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/photos/a.68684542602/10157345326307603/?type=3&theater
Yeah. That would be sweet. Chances of that happening are not too high though.
I would be willing to bet this new ride does not have near the level of theming the old ride did.
Quote from: Okiebenz on June 16, 2019, 01:54:23 PM
I would be willing to bet this new ride does not have near the level of theming the old ride did.
The old ride had theming? What theming? It got cut.
Quote from: Swoosh on June 16, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: Okiebenz on June 16, 2019, 01:54:23 PM
I would be willing to bet this new ride does not have near the level of theming the old ride did.
The old ride had theming? What theming? It got cut.
Yup. Wouldn't have been too difficult either. Through the years, every allusion to the Fountain of Youth was stripped from the walls, and the whole thing just became a tube on the water with a weird heartbeat at the end.
I hope there is an attempt at some good theming throughout the ride. SDC is very good at theming the stations, but it would be nice if the entire ride experience is themed. We just got back from a week at Disney, and one cannot help but be amazed at the quality of the entire ride experience at the Disney parks. There's no reason that SDC shouldn't be competing with them in the theming area. Is it a question of money or a question of will?
It's definitely a question of money in most cases. Sometimes a little goes a long way though...
So far it looks promising. I like the look of the lamps and the rock work. Would be nice to see the return of some of the scattered theming that used to be spread around buildings and flower beds.
Quote from: shavethewhales on June 17, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
It's definitely a question of money in most cases. Sometimes a little goes a long way though...
So far it looks promising. I like the look of the lamps and the rock work. Would be nice to see the return of some of the scattered theming that used to be spread around buildings and flower beds.
If lighting and rocks are the theme, they'll do fine. If riverfront is the theme they'll do fine. They will have to go further than that for me to count it as theming. I hope they'll put it all together in a nice story in there.
My question is who will we dedicate this ride to?
Fireman's Landing - Fire Fighters
Outlaw Run - First Responders
Time Traveler - Teachers
The Cave Guides? State/National Park Employees?
Lost River? Mystic Falls??
Maybe a nod to the early explorers of our country?
Quote from: sanddunerider on June 17, 2019, 08:39:23 PM
Lost River? Mystic Falls??
Maybe a nod to the early explorers of our country?
Both are waterways in the Cave
Quote from: Swoosh on June 17, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: sanddunerider on June 17, 2019, 08:39:23 PM
Lost River? Mystic Falls??
Maybe a nod to the early explorers of our country?
Both are waterways in the Cave
Yes they are.
Quote from: Swoosh on June 17, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
My question is who will we dedicate this ride to?
Fireman's Landing - Fire Fighters
Outlaw Run - First Responders
Time Traveler - Teachers
Hopefully not lifeguards :)
Another fun teaser on the official FB page today. Showing a historical map of Marvel Cave...
So didn't the original Lost River have a reference to the Spring of Youth? I'm sure we talked about it before and I completely forgot. The heartbeat at the end had something to do with it, right?
Quote from: shavethewhales on June 29, 2019, 06:34:41 PM
Another fun teaser on the official FB page today. Showing a historical map of Marvel Cave...
So didn't the original Lost River have a reference to the Spring of Youth? I'm sure we talked about it before and I completely forgot. The heartbeat at the end had something to do with it, right?
Great teaser, love that they are incorporating the cave. This could be great.
Just dont make it soulless like time traveler, and bring back hand painted signs for the themeing.
Quote from: shavethewhales on June 29, 2019, 06:34:41 PM
Another fun teaser on the official FB page today. Showing a historical map of Marvel Cave...
So didn't the original Lost River have a reference to the Spring of Youth? I'm sure we talked about it before and I completely forgot. The heartbeat at the end had something to do with it, right?
It was originally supposed to be about the search for the FoY in the LR of Marvel Cave, but the theming was reduced to some black-and-white pictures and captions in the dark part of the queue. IF a rider happened upon the pictures, he would know the theme and expect something from the ride that it never delivered. The final room should have been SOMETHING, but ended up being nothing. I think the heartbeat came later as some sort of consolation prize. Then, at some point, all evidence of the FoY disappeared, and LR just became another amusement park ride.
Another Teaser on the Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/photos/a.68684542602/10157398654342603/?type=3&theater
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A Brazen Expedition is coming... SilverDollarCity.com/Expedition20
#LostCaverns
Brazen. Not a word you see every day.
Quote from: History Buff on July 05, 2019, 08:27:58 PM
Brazen. Not a word you see every day.
Depends on what you read. ;D
Is that too brazen of me?
I frequently have to remind people that despite their homophonic nature, "braised" and "brazed" are quite different, and braised meat is cooked low and slow in liquid, not seared over high heat; and brazing is a method of joining two pieces of metal together.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on July 05, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
Another Teaser on the Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/photos/a.68684542602/10157398654342603/?type=3&theater
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A Brazen Expedition is coming... SilverDollarCity.com/Expedition20
#LostCaverns
The lady holding the parasol is Miriam Lynch. The caption of the photo I found doesn't mention the names of the other three ladies in the photo, simply referring to them as guests at Marvel Cave Lodge. Photo came from the Silver Dollar City Archives.
If you look at the last teaser photo, it says "corkscrew"; which doesn't really fit with the other stuff on the map.
It looks like there might be a bridge where the channel goes over another portion of the channel. Could there be a downward corkscrew type element in the new ride?
Large pumps have been added to the large holes on the eastern edge of the construction area.
Could the area in the foreground of the last photo (area with the ladder in it) possible the the station?
That is consistent with Infinity Falls which has a long decline over another channel. Also, there appears to be a corkscrew element to the "elevator" lift feature on Infinity Falls - not that the ride corkscrews, but that the corkscrew lifts the vehicle. Maybe somebody who knows better can confirm.
Here's a good POV of Infinity Falls
https://youtu.be/8w4LTR091ug
Quote from: Swoosh on July 12, 2019, 09:15:46 AM
Here's a good POV of Infinity Falls
https://youtu.be/8w4LTR091ug
I had seen another video that seemed to show the lift mechanism better. It seems there is a "drill bit" looking rod in the center of the mechanism on the left of the lift.
Not that that's what the map is referring to: the map says "Cloudland Corkscrew". Cloudland is one of the features in Marvel Cave. I've not heard of it as "Corkscrew", but that doesn't mean it wasn't called that. I'm too lazy to pull out the book to look it up right now.
Just noticed that google earth has been updated to March 2019. Seeing an overhead of the area really shows how huge it is.
Even more interesting is the massive new parking lot to the north. New employee parking lot? Definitely a lot of land work going on around the area with the new pumpkin area, lot 3 expansion, expansion of the maintenance area, and now that.
That updated image also appears to show the old rafts stored just off the maintenance access road just south of the Dollar General. If I remember correctly, Swoosh had posted photos of those taken through the trees from 76.
Whats cool is the image resolution has gotten so good you can even see Alphie and Ralphie robbing the train when this imagery was taken. lol
There are slide pieces in the woods... 8)
Quote from: Swoosh on July 12, 2019, 07:45:17 PM
There are slide pieces in the woods... 8)
Is that what all those grey/black rectangles are?
Also, do you know what those two long buildings are that are just north of OR? They look pretty big but they are kind of out on their own at the end of the service road.
Quote from: woodgrain on July 12, 2019, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on July 12, 2019, 07:45:17 PM
There are slide pieces in the woods... 8)
Is that what all those grey/black rectangles are?
Also, do you know what those two long buildings are that are just north of OR? They look pretty big but they are kind of out on their own at the end of the service road.
Are you talking about all the crafter sheds? No those are the not slide pieces. The slide pieces are on the side of the hill in the trees. Those long buildings that kind of look like an L are apartments
Quote from: Swoosh on July 13, 2019, 06:54:57 AM
Quote from: woodgrain on July 12, 2019, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on July 12, 2019, 07:45:17 PM
There are slide pieces in the woods... 8)
Is that what all those grey/black rectangles are?
Also, do you know what those two long buildings are that are just north of OR? They look pretty big but they are kind of out on their own at the end of the service road.
Are you talking about all the crafter sheds? No those are the not slide pieces. The slide pieces are on the side of the hill in the trees. Those long buildings that kind of look like an L are apartments
Ahh, those are crafter sheds. That makes more sense looking at them now.
THat new parking lot had room for about 200 cars by my quick count.. that will make it nice for the emplyees..
Quote from: shavethewhales on July 12, 2019, 02:38:37 PM
Even more interesting is the massive new parking lot to the north. New employee parking lot? Definitely a lot of land work going on around the area with the new pumpkin area, lot 3 expansion, expansion of the maintenance area, and now that.
it would be about time and long overdue for them to finally put in an employee lot out of the way and not affected by the traffic on 76. The shuttle can run from that lot right up through M&C and to the back of the park without ever dealing with traffic, signals, etc. Not sure that's what it is, but it has parking markers and would make sense.
It's possible that it's could be a lot specifically for the M&C folks that used to park right behind Red Gold but that lost that lot with the construction of the Pumpkin Nights area.
Man, whoever is running the SDC social media pages work really well on getting people hyped for the 2020 project!! They've been posting cryptic teasers, now this!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SDCAttractions/status/1151248201606991874 (https://mobile.twitter.com/SDCAttractions/status/1151248201606991874)
And we've got an announcement date!
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What are the odds the name ends up being what the social media hashtag has been all along? Seems like that would be too obvious.
Quote from: woodgrain on July 16, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
What are the odds the name ends up being what the social media hashtag has been all along? Seems like that would be too obvious.
Unless something flew under the radar the two likely names with either be Lost Caverns or Mystic River Falls.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on July 16, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: woodgrain on July 16, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
What are the odds the name ends up being what the social media hashtag has been all along? Seems like that would be too obvious.
Unless something flew under the radar the two likely names with either be Lost Caverns or Mystic River Falls.
I'm still holding out for Pearl's Float Trip.
Lots of progress out here. I posted some new photos on the FB page. The new rib house looks interesting... The roof is oddly shaped. I'm curious what they are doing with it. It almost looks like there will be some kind of channel on the roof.
Announcement day is the 13th.
Saw them. Looks good. I will probably go up tomorrow and grab some additional video. Looks like a lot has happened since the last one I made.
I periodically check the SDC app even when I'm not there just to look at things like the Ride/Wait times. It's interesting to see on some days Time Traveler will have a 30 minute wait and River Blast will have a 90 minute wait! I would have thought the American Plunge would take the brunt of riders since Lost River is gone but their times have usually been half of what River Blast's has been.
As others have mentioned, the new Ribhouse has gone vertical and the massive new water pumps were added. The concrete channels also continue to grow and expand.
You can watch the short progress video that I shot this past Sunday here:
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The scale of this thing is intense. The amount of expense they are going through to place all this concrete must be insane. The ride channel is already pretty long, and the middle section of the ride is just beginning to take shape. It's going to be a much bigger ride than Lost River ever was.
I would have loved to see a vekoma junior suspended or family coast of some type like a junior woodiet interwoven into this to max out this space and theming expenditure.
I'm excited about this ride. I hope there are some "cozy" areas in the new rib house like there was in the old one, but I fear it's going to have the same cafeteria feel as Crossroads Pizza. The old rib house was my favorite place to eat in the City. Time marches on!
Have any stairs been spotted inside of the new Rib House? My guess is that the odd roofline is because there will be an upstairs area on the back side that overlooks the ride.
Quote from: mg on July 23, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Have any stairs been spotted inside of the new Rib House? My guess is that the odd roofline is because there will be an upstairs area on the back side that overlooks the ride.
In this day and age of ADA standards? Not a chance
Quote from: mg on July 23, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Have any stairs been spotted inside of the new Rib House? My guess is that the odd roofline is because there will be an upstairs area on the back side that overlooks the ride.
Could be accessed by a ramp, instead of stairs.
Quote from: sanddunerider on July 23, 2019, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: mg on July 23, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Have any stairs been spotted inside of the new Rib House? My guess is that the odd roofline is because there will be an upstairs area on the back side that overlooks the ride.
Could be accessed by a ramp, instead of stairs.
I'm at the park now. Nothing leads me to think this will be the case. In fact I don't see this "odd roofline" people are talking about. If anything it's plain and boring. Very boxy
The roof is flat for easy access to HVAC equipment just like every other new building they've built here recently. They then build a facade roof around it.
Looking at the MRF site today, I think the station has finally been formed.
Quote from: Swoosh on July 23, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
The roof is flat for easy access to HVAC equipment just like every other new building they've built here recently. They then build a facade roof around it.
That does seem logical. I think that we were seeing it as odd because there is nothing on the end, but they probably just haven't made it that far with framing yet.
Quote from: mg on July 23, 2019, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on July 23, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
The roof is flat for easy access to HVAC equipment just like every other new building they've built here recently. They then build a facade roof around it.
That does seem logical. I think that we were seeing it as odd because there is nothing on the end, but they probably just haven't made it that far with framing yet.
The framing IS up already
NEW PHOTOS
I know that two others have already posted some new construction photos, but I thought you might enjoy some different angles and captions to help you get a better idea of what and WHERE you are looking at. What's crazy is how much changed from the other's photos and Tuesday.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/07/mystic-river-falls-sdc.html
Click if for no other reason than to see the cool new bridge trough that they built
Great angles Swoosh. Pretty wild how fast they are working now. The roof of the ribhouse looks different now with the facade framework up around it. Makes sense to have a flat spot for HVAC, it just looked odd this weekend when you looked at it from the side.
The painted channel looks good. There's so much stone stacked up in the maintenance area that you can see while riding Outlaw Run. I wonder where they got it all.
This is all getting very interesting now. I'm excited to see if there's going to be a major indoor section with scenes and such. Looks like it will turn left out of the station, go across that bridge, through the channel that's been built, and then back under the bridge... and presumably this is where it would go through some kind of lift for a splashdown. There's a lot of currently empty ground between the built channels and the large concrete structures...
those are some great pics you all have been taking... I need to get back out there and see it for myself... LOTS of progress!!.. Good to see... Lots to go..
Spent the afternoon at the park on Saturday and noticed they are landscaping (large rocks, possibly a waterfall) around the upper rim of what will be the new boundary of the condensed Lake Silver. It's not too far from the new ride's station and is also very visible from the train. I have a photo, but haven't had any luck trying to attach it. Oh well.
There also appears to be a vendor stand/small shop going up on/just off of the new dining patio, to the right of the Ribhouse. Guess it could be for dry lockers, as well, but I'm not exactly sure where the queue will start, either.
So are we anticipating a full reveal next Tuesday, or simply another strategic marketing tease of the 2020 attraction?
Quote from: BackInTime9 on August 08, 2019, 02:05:26 PM
So are we anticipating a full reveal next Tuesday, or simply another strategic marketing tease of the 2020 attraction?
Since they have it scheduled to do a live video on Facebook, I'm expecting a mostly full reveal. There could always be a few details that they hold back, but I would guess that the majority of info will be released.
Quote from: BackInTime9 on August 08, 2019, 02:05:26 PM
So are we anticipating a full reveal next Tuesday, or simply another strategic marketing tease of the 2020 attraction?
It's a full media event. Wish I could go, but my real job is preventing that
Hoped and assumed so, but wasn't entirely sure. What is the confidence level that the ride will be touted as some sort or record breaker, be it longest rapids ride, steepest and/or largest drop on a rapids ride, etc.? Do we have any credible intel to suggest this will in fact be something very similar to Infinity Falls, or is there reason to believe it may introduce another "first" for an attraction of it's kind? I know it's tough given there hasn't been too much change since the latest visits, and it is a water attraction versus a coaster, but I anticipated more dialogue and speculation this close to the announcement.
Quote from: BackInTime9 on August 08, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Hoped and assumed so, but wasn't entirely sure. What is the confidence level that the ride will be touted as some sort or record breaker, be it longest rapids ride, steepest and/or largest drop on a rapids ride, etc.? Do we have any credible intel to suggest this will in fact be something very similar to Infinity Falls, or is there reason to believe it may introduce another "first" for an attraction of it's kind? I know it's tough given there hasn't been too much change since the latest visits, and it is a water attraction versus a coaster, but I anticipated more dialogue and speculation this close to the announcement.
I think we'll just be quiet and not ruin the surprise this time if you don't mind.
You're going to love it and the whole backstory
A new teaser dropped last night on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/2293437977419906/
Quote from: Runner1960 on August 09, 2019, 06:31:17 AM
A new teaser dropped last night on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/2293437977419906/
LOL,
yes, and that all it was.
a teaser..
no info yet....
Quote from: Swoosh on August 08, 2019, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: BackInTime9 on August 08, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Hoped and assumed so, but wasn't entirely sure. What is the confidence level that the ride will be touted as some sort or record breaker, be it longest rapids ride, steepest and/or largest drop on a rapids ride, etc.? Do we have any credible intel to suggest this will in fact be something very similar to Infinity Falls, or is there reason to believe it may introduce another "first" for an attraction of it's kind? I know it's tough given there hasn't been too much change since the latest visits, and it is a water attraction versus a coaster, but I anticipated more dialogue and speculation this close to the announcement.
I think we'll just be quiet and not ruin the surprise this time if you don't mind.
You're going to love it and the whole backstory
I'm all for the element of surprise. Just expected there would be much more conversation leading up to the reveal. Excited to welcome another new attraction to the City.
Really excited to see this announcement on next Tuesday. I'm thrilled so far by the marketing campaign and the ride's connection to Marvel Cave and the park's history. Like others have said, I'm also blown away by the size of the ride. It is much more than I was expecting.
Has anyone heard anything regarding a celebration of SDC's 60th season in 2020? Will there be a celebration as there was for the 50th?
They did a Facebook live this afternoon. They say the announcement on tuesday will talk about the new ride, the new tree, pumpkin nights, and "other surprises for 2020". I think the guy did a good job with the live video I just wish his clothing would have fit a little better.
Quote from: DianaGail on August 09, 2019, 09:21:17 PM
They did a Facebook live this afternoon. They say the announcement on tuesday will talk about the new ride, the new tree, pumpkin nights, and "other surprises for 2020". I think the guy did a good job with the live video I just wish his clothing would have fit a little better.
That's Joey. Do you mean "fit" as in tailored or "fit" as in the theme of the new ride?
They fit the theme/backstory very well
QuoteThey did a Facebook live this afternoon. They say the announcement on tuesday will talk about the new ride, the new tree, pumpkin nights, and "other surprises for 2020". I think the guy did a good job with the live video I just wish his clothing would have fit a little better.
I watched and agree
lol, fashion police. ;D
I can't believe announcement season is finally here. Summer has gone by too quickly.
We've kind of slept on this ride since it's a replacement and we already can see or guess at most of the obvious details, but there's still a lot to look forward to on Tuesday. The details of the cave theming should be really interesting.
Hahaha! I just found the blue super distracting and felt like his vest didn't fit. But he did a great job!!!
I got an email granting me to attend the media event like I did for Time Traveler and I will be sure to get plenty of photos and video of the announcement ceremony and the touring of the construction site as well. Look for me in a red media shirt and a big DSLR camera bag. Feel free to say hi if you are attending.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on August 12, 2019, 03:45:49 PM
I got an email granting me to attend the media event like I did for Time Traveler and I will be sure to get plenty of photos and video of the announcement ceremony and the touring of the construction site as well. Look for me in a red media shirt and a big DSLR camera bag. Feel free to say hi if you are attending.
congrats on the invite.. will be interesting I am sure.. big project.
They are Carrying this announcement on local radio stations here in NWA and pushing it as a new land.
It'll be fun to watch the reactions to when the details are released.
I'm sure we'll have the gamut. From those who think this is the best thing since sliced bread to those who complain that it's not (insert unrealistic expectations here).
I'll jusr be happy to finally talk openly about it. Been a long 2 years.
I *should* be there too, but some people have to actually work on weekdays - and most schools in MO think they need to start ridiculously early this year.
If their live stream wasn't going to actually be live not sure why they allowed others to stream the announcement truly live. Watched the announcement on KY3 well before SDC's FB Live Stream finally got to it.
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2020
Happy to see that the minimum height only went to 40" since this replaces a ride that was one of the 36" height rides.
Very cool. The area looks really nice. We already know they've gone to great lengths to place a ton of rockwork and other landscaping that will surpass what was there before. The whole area already looks better and is easier to get around, and I can't wait to see the finished product.
I love that this will be a longer ride than the old Lost River. Definitely will be worth the long waits that it will get in the summer.
Wish there were more indoor sections like the old ride (not that they ever utilized the old indoor section very well), but at least there will be some kind of little cave/tunnel.
Hope the vertical lift doesn't give them fits.
The theme is awesome. I really really love the emphasis on Marvel Cave and the origins of the park. Really excellent work sticking to the central theme of the park instead of doing something generic.
Overall it's a fantastic addition. Gives me even more hope for future "redevelopments" of old areas of the park.
They keep saying that it's the tallest raft ride drop in the Western Hemisphere. Is there being another one built overseas that will be taller?
Totally agree. I'm not a rapids ride fanatic, but definitely enjoy them on a hot day and really appreciate SDC and HFEC staying true to their commitment to detail, storytelling and ensuring that new attractions feel like they belong in the park. Also would have loved to seen more use of indoor elements, but applaud the length, and the addition of the curved section pre-drop versus just offloading you right into drop. Dropping through the building is a great touch as well.
My only question is whether or not the Rivertown area is going to be a no outlet finger, or will also tie into another area? For the purposes of improving park flow and relieving overall congestion, I sincerely hope Rivertown connects to Wilson's Farm and/or Fireman's Landing via path.
Other than that, assuming there are no engineering glitches with the lift system, I think this is going to be another home run for the park.
Quote from: shavethewhales on August 13, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Very cool. The area looks really nice. We already know they've gone to great lengths to place a ton of rockwork and other landscaping that will surpass what was there before. The whole area already looks better and is easier to get around, and I can't wait to see the finished product.
I love that this will be a longer ride than the old Lost River. Definitely will be worth the long waits that it will get in the summer.
Wish there were more indoor sections like the old ride (not that they ever utilized the old indoor section very well), but at least there will be some kind of little cave/tunnel.
Hope the vertical lift doesn't give them fits.
The theme is awesome. I really really love the emphasis on Marvel Cave and the origins of the park. Really excellent work sticking to the central theme of the park instead of doing something generic.
Overall it's a fantastic addition. Gives me even more hope for future "redevelopments" of old areas of the park.
I agree. I think this is going to have a really great visual impact on that area of the park. Love the back story, the theme and all of the details shown in the drawings. If that lift is designed to move multiple rafts at a time, I guess the pace of this ride could be pretty quick. Should move quite a few people through at a decent clip.
I'm excited to try the new barbecue restaurant. If I'm seeing it right, it looks like the Smokehouse may have the largest seating area(s) of any restaurant in the park.
Quote from: mg on August 13, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
They keep saying that it's the tallest raft ride drop in the Western Hemisphere. Is there being another one built overseas that will be taller?
I'm not finding anything about a ride being built with a taller drop. Maybe they're saying that so the record could last longer? I really don't know.
Quote from: mg on August 13, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2020
Happy to see that the minimum height only went to 40" since this replaces a ride that was one of the 36" height rides.
55 inches to ride without someone 16 or over
Watching the initial reactions from the public roll in... Very reminiscent of the Time Traveler announcement in some ways. Lots of people freaking out about the drop, saying it makes it too scary to be a family ride. SDC stepping in and downplaying it so people aren't worried...
Well, with Time Traveler we know how that went. People got over their fears pretty darn quick and it's been incredibly popular. I predict the same will happen here. Only difference is that this is a replacement of a previous ride, so I can understand the people who are scared of heights being upset about it.
I just think it's hilarious how SDC will try to push the envelope a little, then have to down play it every time when people freak out, lol.
The theming on this ride looks fantastic. I am thrilled that they are paying homage to Marvel Cave and the park's roots. Kudos to the PTB!! I can't wait to ride it!
Quote from: shavethewhales on August 13, 2019, 01:39:25 PM
Watching the initial reactions from the public roll in... Very reminiscent of the Time Traveler announcement in some ways. Lots of people freaking out about the drop, saying it makes it too scary to be a family ride. SDC stepping in and downplaying it so people aren't worried...
Well, with Time Traveler we know how that went. People got over their fears pretty darn quick and it's been incredibly popular. I predict the same will happen here. Only difference is that this is a replacement of a previous ride, so I can understand the people who are scared of heights being upset about it.
I just think it's hilarious how SDC will try to push the envelope a little, then have to down play it every time when people freak out, lol.
This ride is very similar to Infinity Falls at Seaworld Orlando, including a similar (but not quite as high) lift and drop. I haven't ridden on it, but the POV videos I've seen seem to make the drop not nearly as bad as what some naysayers think. I don't even think it will be that bad for most people who don't like heights (I don't, although I do still ride all the coasters).
I'm excited about the ride, brings an update and I'm sure better capacity, efficiency, etc. to a favorite ride. All these rides that I have seen have been extremely popular (California Adventure, Sea World) and all ages are enjoying them. I like the update of the area too, so this is going to really make this part of the park special.
Shave, I'm also with you - once this gets open, any naysayers will be silenced.
It also makes me excited to see what they have up their sleeves for the coming years.
Jay
I find it interesting that there is any fuss around the "drop". First of all the height of the lift does not equal the height of said drop. Not to mention, we're talking about a mere 45 degree plunge. Have no doubts it will be a fun attraction, but the ride facts and hype surrounding the actual numbers is mere PR fodder for the sake of engaging their key demographics. Despite what the park would lead you to believe is a new record-shattering thrill ride, I think it's fair to say this is going to be a very family friendly attraction. Not trying to insinuate that it will be underwhelming in any way, I just think the finale element creating any the negative comments will prove much more tame than advertised.
I guess its bigger than infinity falls then....but wait....how can it bigger than infinity :P
SDC better not pass up the chance to invite Freddy Prince Jr. for an opening day cameo :P
But seriously....
Great promo vid....simple backstory that fits the park well (Time Traveller was a bit much imo).
Looks like a fun ride - I hope the rapids part give a serious ride too.
That bridge and little swirl of a turn from the lift into the drop looks awesome!!! What a unique looking experience.
I don't see that this will change the flow of the park any....main paths look to be the same. I little surprised that didn't do some type of reconfiguration like they did with TT. That path could use some widening (as could most on busy days). But I'm sure that they need to keep FL with one in and out.....a realignment to Wilsons Farm would really extend out the loop....and any 'shortcut' there would possible cut traffic from in front of the Pizza place.
Really is just an update to the raft ride and the BBQ restaurant.....two very important attractions to a park like SDC. Not much for me to complain about....maybe the lack of a tunnel (from the looks of the drawings) is a big out of place considering the backstory.
I wish SDC could do a project like this every year.
This ride is very similar to Infinity Falls at Seaworld Orlando, including a similar (but not quite as high) lift and drop. I haven't ridden on it, but the POV videos I've seen seem to make the drop not nearly as bad as what some naysayers think. I don't even think it will be that bad for most people who don't like heights (I don't, although I do still ride all the coasters).
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I was at SeaWorld on the 4th of July....even had fastpasses....but they where not good for infinity falls. Ride had an 1.5hr wait all day:( So I didn't get to ride. I did check the drop out and it looks pretty mild. The 45 degree drop really keeps the raft at a slow pace. I would say the raft hits the bottom about the same impact as the some of the regular raft rapids. The popeye themed rafts at Universal seemed to be more intense. IMO...American plunge seems scarier....but flume rides feel more out of control to me. Time will tell how the SDC version rides. btw....all 3 B&M coasters at SeaWorld are amazing.
I agree that the comments are of a similar reaction to when they announced TT. I, personally, can handle any and all drops...so I am fine with it. That being said, I have several in my family that do not like drops...however...I DO think they will be able to handle this since in reality it will be more like a slide.
What the general public is seeing is concept art...I mean..do they really think they will just plunge straight down a waterfall???
Several things I have taken note of in the concept renderings is:
The inconsistencies in "Marvel" vs "Marble" Cave in the theming sign(s).
The front elevation of the new Rib House (now Rivertown Smokehouse).
The style of the tower that the slide goes down.
The rapids part of the ride looks like at some point it goes into a waterfall (which will probably shut off when the raft comes close), then small cave, then partially enclosed tunnel.
I guess "RiverFront" is now going to be called "Rivertown." Curious if RiverFront Playhouse will get a name change too.
Overall, I am very pleased with what is being currently presented to us! I hope the theming will play out and wont be "lost" :P to budget cuts.
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on August 13, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
Not much for me to complain about....maybe the lack of a tunnel (from the looks of the drawings) is a big out of place considering the backstory.
There is a tunnel that leads to the lift. Brad talks about the mineshaft tunnel at about the 26 minute mark in the live stream: https://www.facebook.com/sdcattractions/videos/742966136146784/?t=1562
Quote from: mg on August 13, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
They keep saying that it's the tallest raft ride drop in the Western Hemisphere. Is there being another one built overseas that will be taller?
Yes. There's a possibility it might open before MRF so why it's not being touted as Worlds Tallest
Love the announcement. As others have said, I love how the theme of the ride is being tied into the park's history. However, it is a little confusing that the theme is a cave, but the ride is not entirely enclosed. All well, it doesn't bother me, just a thought. I'm happy for the enclosed portions we will be receiving. The theming around the ride in the concept looks fantastic. I love how the final splashdown goes through the queue building. That will bring amazing kinetic energy to the building. I'm not concerned that this won't be family friendly. Not even in the slightest.
The price tag on the attraction and BBQ restaurant is staggering. I did not expect that much. Has SDC ever had back to back attraction additions (TT, MRF) total this much capital? Especially when you combine the costs of Pumpkin Nights and new Christmas tree.
What a fantastic time to be an SDCFan!! I can't wait to experience this entire new area "Rivertown" and also look forward to an amazing future for the park.
It looks like it is going to be awesome! I have to figure out a way to get down there for Pumpkin Nights and the Christmas festival.
I was at the announcement ceremony and did the tour of the construction site. Very impressive for a river rapids ride. I do like the landscaping/theming/scenery/etc quite a lot from whats been done so far. This will indeed be a huge hit with the park like Outlaw Run and Time Traveler were. I expect the lines will be pretty crazy and long for this thing like how Lost River was. lol The ride basically combines elements from the American Plunge, Waterboggan, and Lost River.
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Videos:
Construction Site Tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg-1JWZqrYc
Announcement Ceremony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x75e9Qa5X44
On the SW corner by the Dockside Theater and White River Mercantile:
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You might notice lots of rock work and several decently sized trees have been planted and even some waterfall elements have already been made operational for part of the ambience that this area will create. Huge kudos to the park management and construction crew on what I have seen so far.
And of course the new "Rivertown Smokehouse" and the ride loading station:
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Further up towards The Barn Swing I checked out the canals and the pits that were already constructed but was told to overall stay outside the structures. Got lots of photos and video. Also chatted with some of the construction crew while out there, I asked about Lake Silver and was told by one of the foreman that the new lake size will be reduced by almost 75 percent from before but it will be about 25-30 feet deep when they get done with it and its refilled. I suggested they should put some Koi or some kind of fish back in it to entertain the kids while they wait in line as the queue line will be right next to the "new" lake as the load station will be in the center of where the old lake once was. lol
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Also note the huge pits dug out for the canals, reservoir, and the drop tower structure which will be over 80 feet high and the pumps on this thing are insane, 200,000 gallons per hour per pump is what I was told. That's a crazy amount of water if you think about it, but I guess that's needed for what all this ride experience will entail. Standing down there in the bottom really gives you a sense of scale of this water ride. The ride's capacity will be upgraded from 6 to 8 persons along with a faster load/unload system and will last 5 and a half minutes over a half mile ride course equaling a much higher PPH than the old Lost River ever did.
Only negative/critique I could come up with is to the theme/backstory being tied to the cave as I guess I was a bit let down as I had originally envisioned with the cave teasers that this was gonna be a mountain type structure with the slide element dropping into the mouth of a fabricated cave (see the entrance to the real Marvel Cave to understand my thoughts here) for an extensive indoor segment similar to how the last 25% of Lost River's course was. But I guess with the areas combined investment being more than Time Traveler, that kind of design would probably be too cost prohibitive. One can dream, right? lol Don't take this the wrong way or that I am implying that this seems underwhelming, I still think this will be incredibly beautiful to see in person and a very fun and thrilling ride once it is all said and done next year.
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Great posting! Thanks for your insight and the photos. I'm sad to hear about the reduction of Lake Silver, but WOW! It looks awesome, and tie in to the history and lost elements of the park is very cool!
I hope they manage to re-incorporate the "REJOICE" sign reflected in the new Lake Silver during OTC.
I am ambivalent about the new ride, not because I don't like it or because I don't think it will be popular, but because I am pretty sure I won't be able to tolerate riding it myself. I don't do SDC for rides, anyway, but I did ride LR a couple times. The rapids there were about the limit my back can take. I don't think it will tolerate the new version (and I don't like heights AT ALL).
But I am sure it will make many people happy, so I am not complaining.
Quote from: palallin on August 14, 2019, 08:46:41 AMI am ambivalent about the new ride, not because I don't like it or because I don't think it will be popular, but because I am pretty sure I won't be able to tolerate riding it myself. I don't do SDC for rides, anyway, but I did ride LR a couple times. The rapids there were about the limit my back can take. I don't think it will tolerate the new version (and I don't like heights AT ALL).
But I am sure it will make many people happy, so I am not complaining.
If the final product stays true to the concept art, I think this ride will contribute greatly to the overall atmosphere of the park. I am hopeful that it will make for an enjoyable area for non-riders as well. I am honestly a lot more excited about this ride and area than I was about Time Traveler and Outlaw Run. Those are both great rides, but the theme and surrounding areas were underwhelming to me. I think they've hit a home run all-around with this one!
Quote from: saladdays on August 13, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: shavethewhales on August 13, 2019, 01:39:25 PM
Watching the initial reactions from the public roll in... Very reminiscent of the Time Traveler announcement in some ways. Lots of people freaking out about the drop, saying it makes it too scary to be a family ride. SDC stepping in and downplaying it so people aren't worried...
Well, with Time Traveler we know how that went. People got over their fears pretty darn quick and it's been incredibly popular. I predict the same will happen here. Only difference is that this is a replacement of a previous ride, so I can understand the people who are scared of heights being upset about it.
I just think it's hilarious how SDC will try to push the envelope a little, then have to down play it every time when people freak out, lol.
This ride is very similar to Infinity Falls at Seaworld Orlando, including a similar (but not quite as high) lift and drop. I haven't ridden on it, but the POV videos I've seen seem to make the drop not nearly as bad as what some naysayers think. I don't even think it will be that bad for most people who don't like heights (I don't, although I do still ride all the coasters).
Got to ride Infinity Falls a couple of weeks ago. We had a kid of about 7 and a grandma in our boat, along with my wife who has neck problems that keeps her from riding coasters and many "thrill" rides. None of them had an issue on the ride, the drop is smooth and gentle- it's neat to do but really not scary or intimidating at all. A logflume drop has more "oomph" to it than the drop in Infinity Falls did.
The ride overall didn't get us that wet, with a single waterfall doing most of the damage. I'm hoping that SDC does better on that end as one thing I like about their water rides is that you actually get really wet on them, which is kind of the point.
I am really looking forward to this. I've noticed that the concept art is also showing 8 person boats instead of the 6 that they had before. I hope that's the case as it will help with capacity. As popular as it was, Lost River was fairly low capacity for a rapids ride. The theming looks incredible.
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I've noticed that the concept art is also showing 8 person boats instead of the 6 that they had before.
It's 8 per raft and 18 rafts total. They will have latching seat belts and not Velcro.
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2020
Area needed an exciting flat ride.8)
Call me weird but even as a coaster enthusiast I'm actually more excited to see this finished than I was for Time Traveler.
Quote from: sdcfan88 on August 14, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
Call me weird but even as a coaster enthusiast I'm actually more excited to see this finished than I was for Time Traveler.
You're wierd. :o
This doesn't much move my needle. I view it as making American Plunge expendable for a B&M launched dive coaster in that area. Wouldn't that be a world's first 8)
Quote from: sdcfan88 on August 14, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
Call me weird but even as a coaster enthusiast I'm actually more excited to see this finished than I was for Time Traveler.
I am more excited about this if they keep the theming up and do not cut back like they did on TT. I could care less about another coaster at this time. Spend money refurbishing the classics now.
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
The Riverfront is now Rivertown. This includes the already mentioned additions, a newly reimagined (and not announced yet) shopping experience in the former White River Mercantile. A revamped dining area across the Playhouse with additional smaller counter service options. New walkways, New lighting, New thematic elements. But most importantly, this new land has an entrance arch stating that it is Rivertown.
Quote from: Swoosh on August 14, 2019, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
The Riverfront is now Rivertown. This includes the already mentioned additions, a newly reimagined (and not announced yet) shopping experience in the former White River Mercantile. A revamped dining area across the Playhouse with additional smaller counter service options. New walkways, New lighting, New thematic elements. But most importantly, this new land has an entrance arch stating that it is Rivertown.
Still needed a quality flat 8)
Quote from: chittlins on August 14, 2019, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on August 14, 2019, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
The Riverfront is now Rivertown. This includes the already mentioned additions, a newly reimagined (and not announced yet) shopping experience in the former White River Mercantile. A revamped dining area across the Playhouse with additional smaller counter service options. New walkways, New lighting, New thematic elements. But most importantly, this new land has an entrance arch stating that it is Rivertown.
Still needed a quality flat 8)
and would they put it, dear Liza dear Liza?
Quote from: Swoosh on August 14, 2019, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
The Riverfront is now Rivertown. This includes the already mentioned additions, a newly reimagined (and not announced yet) shopping experience in the former White River Mercantile. A revamped dining area across the Playhouse with additional smaller counter service options. New walkways, New lighting, New thematic elements. But most importantly, this new land has an entrance arch stating that it is Rivertown.
I figured they were indicating a name change for the entire area. Curious if Riverfront Playhouse has a name change too. (?)
So what are the boundaries of Rivertown? Does this incorporate what use to be known as "Tom Sawyers Landing" where Tom and Huck's River Blast now stands? Curious if Rivertown entrance arch will be when you go under the RR tracks or farther down by Dockside Theatre. With the Riverfront (now Rivertown) area always being a 'thru' area, does this mean there will be another arch placed by the Toy Store?
Also, originally, one plan was to demolish Dockside Theatre and replace it with the new Rivertown Smokehouse, along with re-working the pathways. Obviously these plans have changed...so i assume that Theatre will stay 'as-is' for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Swoosh on August 14, 2019, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: chittlins on August 14, 2019, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: Swoosh on August 14, 2019, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: sirwillow on August 14, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
I do get a bit of a chuckle over them calling it a new "land". One ride and one restaurant, without even really having a walkway isn't a new area for me. Unless they are changing the name of the whole Riverfront area.
The Riverfront is now Rivertown. This includes the already mentioned additions, a newly reimagined (and not announced yet) shopping experience in the former White River Mercantile. A revamped dining area across the Playhouse with additional smaller counter service options. New walkways, New lighting, New thematic elements. But most importantly, this new land has an entrance arch stating that it is Rivertown.
Still needed a quality flat 8)
and would they put it, dear Liza dear Liza?
Sumwhar, an indoor gravitron themed up to Rube Dugan's steamnpowered mechanical sit and spin
It just needed a flat. 8)
Quote from: chittlins on August 14, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: sdcfan88 on August 14, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
Call me weird but even as a coaster enthusiast I'm actually more excited to see this finished than I was for Time Traveler.
You're wierd. :o
This doesn't much move my needle. I view it as making American Plunge expendable for a B&M launched dive coaster in that area. Wouldn't that be a world's first 8)
I like your thinking but imo SDC needs at least 3 water rides for the summer season. Soooo...maybe a WOF Monsoon like plunge could be built along side the Dive coaster....lol
I nice high volume flat ride would be nice in the new area too....would help keep people around the area when cold. Pick up riders from the overflow of the enevable long waits. Even better if it was an indoor attraction which SDC could use more of besides shows.
Another new thought - That lift looks a lot higher than Infinity Falls at Sea World.....maybe it isn't. But it will be interesting to see how the rafts queue up for the lift....or if it will be quick enough that they don't. The lift really changes how to operate a raft ride.
Quote from: HumphreyHawk on August 15, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
Another new thought - That lift looks a lot higher than Infinity Falls at Sea World.....maybe it isn't. But it will be interesting to see how the rafts queue up for the lift....or if it will be quick enough that they don't. The lift really changes how to operate a raft ride.
There's others who have ridden Infinity Falls at SeaWorld that could tell you first-hand, but the POV videos on Youtube show a small wait between rafts, but nothing that appears too time consuming. So assuming it will operate the same, there may not be much of a queue needed.
Apparantly I have missed in conversation, What is the Price tag on this ride area?. With new walkaways, new restaraunt, revamp some of the other buildings.... Just wondering?
Swoosh?
30 million.
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It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed. I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.
As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride. Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR. I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).
but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride. They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.
The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange. I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles. I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.
Quote from: History Buff on August 15, 2019, 04:18:26 PM
It is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed. I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.
As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride. Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR. I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).
but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride. They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.
As for the name change this has happened before and will happen again. It originally called The Deep Woods Section when the diving bell was installed. Just a change of names AGAIN.
The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange. I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles. I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.
I'm trying something to get the 2020 thread to work again. It doesn't want to work, so I went back to a previous page and replied. Here is the last thing I added:
QuoteIt is interesting that the Riverfront Playhouse was mentioned in the live feed. I'm glad to hear it will stay - hopefully for a long time.
As for MRF, I'm seeing a giant rock sculpture of a human head somewhere in the concept art that makes this like something other than Ozarkian in nature and more like a generic jungle raft ride. Otherwise, I think it will make a great replacement for LR. I never was a great fan of LR (and yes, I really want to revive the Dugan theme).
but I would love to see more of a WoF-style carousel or conveyor-style load on this ride. They really haven't addressed this as far as I've seen, so I assume there will be a stop and load station.
The change to Rivertown makes me feel a little strange. I guess it's something like going to China Town, but still being in Los Angeles. I hope there is some great music chosen for the whole area - and appropriate, themed shows for the stages in the area.