Author Topic: What's going on in NWA, 2021  (Read 36560 times)

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Re: What's going on in NWA, 2020
« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2021, 11:36:58 PM »
Bentonville is now the 5th fastest growing city in the US and adding 10 people a day. And... there this 2045 projection

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2020/apr/13/planners-consider-how-to-fit-1-milllion/

1 million by 2045.

Not a bad thing for SDC's back yard.

I will turn 82 in 2045, and I hope to be around to say, "I told you so."

There is no way this projection turns out to be true. There are too many people with big money in NWA to allow it.

It just doesn't make sense. You think someone with their 15 acre microranch is going to accept a 15 story apartment building next to them?

How are developers going to build on land where it is very difficult to build more densely without running afoul of environmental regulations, and especially not cheaply compared to slab-on-grade flatlands?

With the topography in NWA, how would that many people get transported around? Traffic is already insane. They're talking about working class people, so they have to get to work, get to stores, and get home.

It's not going to happen.

Anyone who speculates on housing based on this, probably "owns" a home on Indian Ridge.

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Re: What's going on in NWA, 2020
« Reply #136 on: April 13, 2021, 11:02:06 PM »
Bentonville is now the 5th fastest growing city in the US and adding 10 people a day. And... there this 2045 projection

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2020/apr/13/planners-consider-how-to-fit-1-milllion/

1 million by 2045.

Not a bad thing for SDC's back yard.

I will turn 82 in 2045, and I hope to be around to say, "I told you so."

There is no way this projection turns out to be true. There are too many people with big money in NWA to allow it.

It just doesn't make sense. You think someone with their 15 acre microranch is going to accept a 15 story apartment building next to them?

How are developers going to build on land where it is very difficult to build more densely without running afoul of environmental regulations, and especially not cheaply compared to slab-on-grade flatlands?

With the topography in NWA, how would that many people get transported around? Traffic is already insane. They're talking about working class people, so they have to get to work, get to stores, and get home.

It's not going to happen.

Anyone who speculates on housing based on this, probably "owns" a home on Indian Ridge.

The big money wants this and is driving it.

Just look at the NWACouncil.org site.

Growth is continuing and the scope of it is growing as we speak, it is insane. Homes sold before the foundation is poured, entire streets at a time. There's plenty of land still. The smaller towns like Elkins are seeing hundreds of new homes.

UAMS will have a full fledged Med School in NWA in 10 years time.

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Re: What's going on in NWA, 2021
« Reply #137 on: April 14, 2021, 08:40:17 AM »
I am a civil engineer working in the site development/water resources sector, and I can say that development is very fluid. NWA is a huge area, and developers will continuously seek out individual opportunities wherever they lie. If the powers that be in NWA are smart, they are developing comprehensive master plans and carving out space for higher density development. If not, prepare for Dallas sized sprawl across the whole area.

Transportation is a massive, massive hurdle for them because they don't have much in the way of existing highway infrastructure and building more will be prohibitively expensive. They need to get creative NOW with mass transit. Finishing the Springdale Northern Bypass should also be a priority.

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Re: What's going on in NWA, 2021
« Reply #138 on: April 14, 2021, 10:42:32 AM »
I am a civil engineer working in the site development/water resources sector, and I can say that development is very fluid. NWA is a huge area, and developers will continuously seek out individual opportunities wherever they lie. If the powers that be in NWA are smart, they are developing comprehensive master plans and carving out space for higher density development. If not, prepare for Dallas sized sprawl across the whole area.

Transportation is a massive, massive hurdle for them because they don't have much in the way of existing highway infrastructure and building more will be prohibitively expensive. They need to get creative NOW with mass transit. Finishing the Springdale Northern Bypass should also be a priority.

They have a little used but in use rail line that is a straight shot from Roger, Springdale and Fayetteville. Sadly the spirit lines for it was decommissioned years ago and make up many bike trails but it hits at the heart if those three cities. A commuter line could be established but it would take some major work at road crossings to get it's speed up 

Fayetteville has a robust bus system with Razorback Transit but it is centered to serve the University. The regional transit is the hobo express and no one will use it. You'll have to make it 'cool' and it'll have to be on tracks.

The midrises are going up around Arvest Ballpark at a good clip now. Rumor is this is where UAMS will center it's future building in conjunction with Ark Childrens and Highlands Oncology with substantial gifts from the Springdale folks(Tyson /George/ other)

Alice is starting her own Med School in Bentonville, no word yet on who it is going to be affiliated with.

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Re: What's going on in NWA, 2021
« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2021, 10:27:29 PM »
Transportation is a massive, massive hurdle for them because they don't have much in the way of existing highway infrastructure and building more will be prohibitively expensive. They need to get creative NOW with mass transit. Finishing the Springdale Northern Bypass should also be a priority.

They are still tinkering around with plan proposals last I heard. Here are some graphics I obtained for what the future road network is supposed to be. First to be done is the final 5 miles of I49 going up to Anderson, MO which is in progress (currently ends at Gravette) and is expected to be done by 2024. Next is to build the 4 lane highway bypass to the XNA entrance off of 612 that currently ends just south of Wagon Wheel Road on 112. Then they are to finish the 612 bypass to connect just west of Tontitown and going thru Bethel Heights and finally ending at Sonora on 412 east. Other well traveled two lane roads (such as 112) are also expected to be widened at some point.

TBH the highway infrastructure between Springdale, Bentonville, and XNA should have been done during or shortly after the airport was opened back in '98. Its crazy that 23 years later a major airport still has the tiny two lane roads (HWY 12 & 264) as the only major access points.

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