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Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 18, 2017, 10:04:02 AM »
I'm really starting to think that they need to remove the word "spin" from all of their stuff, as the connotation that people seem stuck on with the word is teacups-style fast, dizzying spinning.  And it seems that even when explained, a lot of people have a real struggle to get that image out of their mind.

Maybe change it to "rotating" or something like that?  Perception is so much, and with the word spinning people just seem locked in to what is an erroneous perception of what it's going to be doing.

Dollywood Discussion / Re: Dollywood 2018
« on: August 17, 2017, 08:43:45 PM »
If history repeats itself, they'll be getting a Mack Coaster soon, 2019?

I know that's a common theory- that whatever one park gets, the other will get something similar.  And it has happened sometimes, and I understand why some think that.  But it really only plays one way, sort of, and there's been a lot more investment at Dollywood than there has been at SDC.  And several things put in one park that didn't have a matching cousin at the other.

Since 2004, Dollywood has added 7 coasters (Thunderhead, Sideshow Spin- now closed, Mystery Mine, Wild Eagle, FireChaser Express, Lightning Rod, and Whistle Punk Chaser).  Of those, 2- that's right, two, had matches at SDC, one sort of with Outlaw Run, and the other being the Grand Expo coaster.

Then you get the other additions in that same time period:
2005 Dollywood Renovates Country Fair with 10 new rides- matched by Grand Expo at SDC the next year
2006 Dollywood adds Timber Tower- no match
2008 Dollywood adds River Battle- matched by SDC's River Blast
2010 Dollywood opens Adventure Mountain ropes course- no match
2011 Dollywood adds Barnstormer- matched by SDC's Barn Swing
2015 Dollywood opens the DreamMore Resort (nothing close at SDC)
2017 Dollywood opens Drop Line freefall ride.- no match

The one thing that SDC has done in that time that Dollywood hasn't was replace Geyser Gulch with Fireman's landing which contains exactly 0 (zero) new rides, but all ones that have been in the park previously or recycled from other parks (especially Celebration City).

So since 2004, Dollywood has added 5 coasters, 3 major rides and a resort with no comparison at SDC.  That also doesn't include the 2 new areas of the park they've added in that time as well- Thunderhead Gap/ Timber Canyon and Wilderness Pass, as well as a couple they've expanded.

There may be a compliment to this at Dollywood, but honestly I hope not.  it would be nice to see them invest in SDC for a change and not have to do it at Dolly as well.  SDC deserves some of the love that's been going to TN over the last few years.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 16, 2017, 04:11:02 PM »

If anyone thinks the "controlled spinning" on TT is going to be more tame than this on any level, I think you're kidding yourself. I just scanned the comments from SDC's official announcement on FB and I would say at least 25-33% of the comments echo the concerns about spinning and being bummed about never getting on the ride.

I think you need to go back to the video and listen to Brad Thomas' comments about the spinning.  What you're talking about on Spinning Dragons is EXACTLY what Brad said he DOESN'T want on the coaster- free, fast spinning that can get people sick.  Much to much spinning, much to fast, and this will NOT do that.  It is a very slow rotation that has built in brake controls so that it can not spin fast.  This has no chance of getting you dizzy or disoriented anymore than any other coaster because of how slow they are going to allow the cars to spin.

I understand your fears, but I don't think you're understanding the limits they are putting on the rotating that will prevent what you are afraid of.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 16, 2017, 11:35:12 AM »
All spinning. That's a huge letdown for me.  :(

I was concerned about that.  But it sounds like with their "control" that the spinning won't be bad.  It won't be the high speed, dizziness inducing kind of spinning.  Sounds like a slower speed that will be more like a slow turn rather than a spin that will just change your perspective as you ride.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 16, 2017, 09:43:04 AM »
Or that $26 million doesn't include other things that go along with the ride, like theming and other additions.  That might be just the base ride cost.

It will be interesting to see what they say in the press conference

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 14, 2017, 05:41:52 PM »
I find the random numbers that align on the dial further below to be quite interesting. Could the numbers hint towards the ride specs for the coaster nerds to droll over and speculate over? lol

8479 = Track Length?
1105 = Riders Per Hour?
2015 = Year it was conceived?

you missed 9388 which also appears on it.

the mystery deepens...  :-)

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 14, 2017, 04:27:07 PM »
I suppose you never notice the numerous Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois and Tennessee plates in lot that we see every time we go. It's even more of a national attraction due to it's Christmas Lights always being included in so many "best of" lists.  Believe it or not Memphis and North Ms. is a pretty big market for SDC. It's closer than Dollywood.

I've never said to myself, I gotta go to Knotts Berry. It's always has been a "maybe we can fit in" place. Cedar Point is a major draw due to it's coasters no doubt.

I have said numerous times SDC and Dollywood are the best "all around" parks between the Rockies and the Appalachians/Smokies.

I did miss Kansas in my wrap up.  That is one of SDC's targeted states because it's close.

I generally didn't wander the parking lots looking at plates when I worked there.  I listened to what the PR and marketing departments told us- which areas schools were on break or getting out, how they planned our staffing based on what crowds were expected from what states, things like that.  Every park is going to have plates from several states in their parking lot, but that doesn't mean they aren't a regional park.

That did change some with Outlaw Run getting national exposure, and the Christmas events have helped.  But it's still predominantly a regional park.  But I know they'd like to change that, and I'm sure that the new coaster is a hope that further expand it.  But it's area of impact hasn't grown like Dollywood's has, and a lot of that has to do with their investment and marketing, the vast majority of which takes place within a 300- 400 mile radius of the park (which is the number we were repeatedly told when working there)

It should be interesting to see if this new coaster can expand that out some like Outlaw Run did, or if it ends up being basically something that only the area notices. (trying to keep it on topic here. lol)

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 14, 2017, 04:21:16 PM »
1 Day 18 hours left to go, and I noticed something interesting, that I'm not sure means anything at all, but could be a hint as well.

If you go to their page with the countdown and you look at the clock, which is broken down into 3 parts: Days, Hours and Minutes, they tend to flash quickly from the actual number to other numbers:  Days shows 900, Hours shows 88, and Minutes Shows 923.

Any idea if it's just a glitch in the page coding or if those might actually mean something?

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 11, 2017, 06:02:30 PM »

I think their parks really cater to different crowds than SDC.  Most of their parks are just regional parks.  SDC is a mid-level destination park.  (On the same level as a Busch Gardens or Sea Wkrld but not a Disney or Universal)

Not to argue with you (well, ok, maybe a little. hehe) but SDC is much more a regional park than many of the Cedar Fair parks are.  Knott's Berry Farm, Cedar Point, and King's Island all bring in visitors from around the world (and all 3 have more than 3 times the attendance of SDC), whereas SDC really draws from 4 states- Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and to a lesser extent Texas.  While we might like to think it's a destination park, it really isn't. It's crowds are very much regional, and the vast majority are from within 2 hours.  It's numbers and drawing power are nowhere near what many of the Cedar Fair parks are.  And then there is the fact that they only have one park that has any sort of overlapping sphere of influence with SDC (Worlds of Fun).

So really, SDC is a mere blip in Cedar Fair's eyes and nothing they are going to concern themselves with when it comes to competition for their announcements.  For them they really wouldn't care if SDC is making the announcement the same day.  They're dealing with a much larger audience with a much broader reach than SDC does.

Edit- or to put it another way, there are reasons that SDC plans it's operating schedules around local school districts' calendars and the Cedar Fair parks generally don't.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: August 11, 2017, 04:38:49 PM »
^^Didn't SDC announce the announcement before CP? I'm also kind of surprised CF would want to announce their new coasters all on the same day.

I don't think Cedar Fair would be much concerned at all, honestly.  They see SDC as a smaller regional park that isn't in any sort of real direct competition with them (slightly with Worlds of Fun, but not with any of their other parks), so outside of enthusiast circles they wouldn't see it as a distraction at all.

and enthusiast circles really don't have anywhere near as much influence and impact as they would like to think they do.  :-)

Other Parks / Re: Worlds of Fun Developments.
« on: August 06, 2017, 09:12:25 PM »
If that's what happens, it makes me even more grateful that we got rides on the rotor last month when we were there.  it was so neat to get a chance to ride one again because of how many have disappeared.  Hate that they are removing them, but I also understand- they're not worth the cost of maintaining them, especially with lower rider numbers than many rides.

Dollywood Discussion / Re: Lighting Rod's Continued Issues
« on: July 29, 2017, 09:34:53 PM »
It sounds like it can stay running semi-reliably as long as they only run one train. They have run two trains a handful of times and it always results in extended downtime shortly after. It seems like they will just have to limp through the rest of this year (again) and try to get the second train working for 2018.

Until then, wait times are often 100+ mins...

Any idea if Lightning Rod is part of their quick queue/ skip the line system?  I might have to dip into the pocket for it.

Construction/Rumors / Re: New Steam Engines Arriving at SDC
« on: July 29, 2017, 09:33:39 PM »
Last time I talked to them about it (and my memory is a bit fuzzy on this), one of the three had been pretty much disassembled and parted out for their current three.  One of them is in the process of being overhauled and fixed up and prepared for use in the park- I think for next year, but that's again a bit fuzzy.  Not sure about the last one.

I know they are trying to do some work on figuring out how they are going to work the extra engine into the round house.  But not other than a general idea on that, I don't know any details.  It's going to be a few weeks til I'm out there again but when I am I'll try to remember to ask.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Coaster Christmas 2017 11.11.17
« on: July 28, 2017, 06:38:16 PM »
Shave sums it up well.  You get the magazines, then the opportunity to attend events.  The events usually include exclusive ride time before or after normal operating hours, and will often include meals, behind the scenes tours, Q&A sessions, auctions of parts and collectors items, and other things.  The events are not free to attend- there is a cost to get in to them, but you can't attend most of them at all unless you are a member of ACE (or in some cases like Holiday World's Holiwood Nights event, another coaster club)

Dollywood Discussion / Re: Lighting Rod's Continued Issues
« on: July 27, 2017, 09:36:11 PM »
Moot point, but I can verify that it was opening and running for at least part of the day yesterday. A friend of mine lost his phone while riding. And no he wasn't trying to use it. Sounds like it came loose in his pocket and fell out during the ride.

That's encouraging!  We'll be there next Tues or Weds so I'm hoping...

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