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Title: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 01, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
Okay, after a lot of soul-searching I have to ask the question: What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?  Our first planned trip of the year is for the 16th - 17th of this month for Bluegrass and BBQ.  I asked my wife (i really don't see it happening) but what if that was the weekend they decided to open for the season.  Would we go then?  What would have to happen for us to feel comfortable enough to go?  Make it mandatory that everyone wear a mask of some kind?  Do a temperature check for everyone going into the park?  Limit the number of people in the park?  What would they need to do?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 01, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
I don't think there's anything the park can do to make people feel safe for those who are paying attention. Asymptomatic spread has always been the issue. A lot of those who are spreading the virus don't know they have it and might not have a fever or anything yet. Unless everyone is getting one of the rapid tests at the gate, you can't be sure...

If I felt like risking it and going to SDC, I don't think any amount of social distancing would matter. You are going to come into contact with people there no matter what, walking through clouds of their breath eventually. You also can't sanitize enough with that many people. Someone would have to be at every door and counter constantly spraying.

Basically, I will feel comfortable going back to SDC when one of two things happens: I get immunity after catching and recovering from the virus, or I get a vaccine. The good news is that both antibody tests and vaccine candidates are coming out rapidly. Sounds like there may be multiple vaccine options trying to produce millions of treatments by Fall, and the antibody tests are revealing that millions have already gotten over the virus anyway.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 01, 2020, 11:49:54 PM
Okay, after a lot of soul-searching I have to ask the question: What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?  Our first planned trip of the year is for the 16th - 17th of this month for Bluegrass and BBQ.  I asked my wife (i really don't see it happening) but what if that was the weekend they decided to open for the season.  Would we go then?  What would have to happen for us to feel comfortable enough to go?  Make it mandatory that everyone wear a mask of some kind?  Do a temperature check for everyone going into the park?  Limit the number of people in the park?  What would they need to do?

FYI Bluegrass & BBQ has been completely canceled for this season
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: KBCraig on May 02, 2020, 02:08:37 AM
What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?

Open. That's all it would take for me.

I don't deny the seriousness of the virus. I've been working right through the entire thing, in a very high-risk, high-contact industry (grocery).

In my state, until this week it's been almost impossible for someone to be tested unless they were both symptomatic and had other risk factors (contact, travel, etc.).

And even with only highly likely people being tested, negatives outnumber positives 12:1, and of those who test positive, less than 3% have died. The majority of fatal cases are in long term care facilities.

Now we've gone from 100 tests per day, to 1,200 tests per day, and the gap is growing wider.

Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 02, 2020, 06:46:36 AM
A short answer. A vaccine.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 02, 2020, 07:34:27 AM
It’s weird.  For how many news cycles this thing has demanded, I still don’t know a single person who has personally had the ‘rona.  In fact, I don’t know a single person who knows a single person who has had the ‘rona. 

Not saying the virus is a hoax, but definitely saying the response was a planned-demic
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 02, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
It’s weird.  For how many news cycles this thing has demanded, I still don’t know a single person who has personally had the ‘rona.  In fact, I don’t know a single person who knows a single person who has had the ‘rona. 

Not saying the virus is a hoax, but definitely saying the response was a planned-demic

Does seem odd?  doesnt it?

On the other hand deaths to the Common Cold, the "Flu", Pneumonia and heart disease is down this year. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 02, 2020, 09:11:55 AM
It’s weird.  For how many news cycles this thing has demanded, I still don’t know a single person who has personally had the ‘rona.  In fact, I don’t know a single person who knows a single person who has had the ‘rona. 

Not saying the virus is a hoax, but definitely saying the response was a planned-demic

Does seem odd?  doesnt it?

On the other hand deaths to the Common Cold, the "Flu", Pneumonia and heart disease is down this year. ::) ::)

What a happy coincidence that is. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 02, 2020, 09:26:34 AM
Okay, after a lot of soul-searching I have to ask the question: What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?  Our first planned trip of the year is for the 16th - 17th of this month for Bluegrass and BBQ.  I asked my wife (i really don't see it happening) but what if that was the weekend they decided to open for the season.  Would we go then?  What would have to happen for us to feel comfortable enough to go?  Make it mandatory that everyone wear a mask of some kind?  Do a temperature check for everyone going into the park?  Limit the number of people in the park?  What would they need to do?

FYI Bluegrass & BBQ has been completely canceled for this season

I knew that- just making a what if scenario
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Gilligan on May 02, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
I know 3 people.  A friend had a friend who died and my son knows a few; one of which died and was only 40 and healthy.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: biscuitcreek on May 02, 2020, 11:05:16 AM
What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?

Open. That's all it would take for me.

I don't deny the seriousness of the virus. I've been working right through the entire thing, in a very high-risk, high-contact industry (grocery).

In my state, until this week it's been almost impossible for someone to be tested unless they were both symptomatic and had other risk factors (contact, travel, etc.).

And even with only highly likely people being tested, negatives outnumber positives 12:1, and of those who test positive, less than 3% have died. The majority of fatal cases are in long term care facilities.

Now we've gone from 100 tests per day, to 1,200 tests per day, and the gap is growing wider.

I am also in the grocery business, and my territory covers 12 counties. One store I call on had an employee with COVID (early 20s and he recovered). Store also has another employee in quarantine through this week. County judge (head administrative official) in county near me had COVID, he recovered.

I will consider going back to SDC when I really see a decline in new cases in AR and MO, hopefully, this summer.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: KBCraig on May 02, 2020, 10:41:49 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 03, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.

Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 03, 2020, 12:13:41 PM
Okay, after a lot of soul-searching I have to ask the question: What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?   What would they need to do?

Open the Turnstiles, 
Drop the chains,
step back out of the way.. 
count me in.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 03, 2020, 02:09:30 PM
Think they have Outlaw Run masks available for sale yet?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 03, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 03, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Think they have Outlaw Run masks available for sale yet?

LOL- or maybe Baldknobber masks
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: legoerosion on May 03, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
Everyone who's saying this is a "planned-demic" can keep their tinfoil hats on and believe what they want to believe.

As for going back, I'd be okay with operating the city at 50% capacity (possibly based off of reservations?) and alternating seating on coasters. Mark off 6 feet for queue lines, and gradually open up shops. Once everything seems to be going down, then start to open the park back up to full capacity, gradually.

This allows the park to open, but also meet CDC guidelines and make folks feel a bit safer.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 03, 2020, 06:55:26 PM
but also meet CDC guidelines and make folks feel a bit safer.

Isnt this the key?   "make folks feel a bit safer"


Watch out with the "tinfoil" comments. ::)..   

Dont get me started on the people gathering the punch bowl and drinking the Kool-Aid. >:(
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 03, 2020, 07:23:36 PM
I will be curious to see if they are still gonna do a "normal" media day or anything at all for MRF when they open.  I was set to attend for its original opening.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: U Smell Smoke on May 03, 2020, 08:18:08 PM
Just saw where Holiday World announced they plan to open June 14th.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 03, 2020, 08:25:16 PM
Think they have Outlaw Run masks available for sale yet?

You can literally get a handkerchief at Walmart
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: okiebluegrass on May 03, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
I do not know anyone personally that has been confirmed to have this. I am concerned about getting it and passing it to elderly family members.

I did not get passes this year, because I am saving money for a large purchase. Otherwise, if it opened tomorrow, I would go.

I have always kept my distance from others out of personal preference with the exception of theaters and queue lines.

They have hand sanitizer stations around the park.  If you are uncomfortable then wear a mask or don't go



Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 03, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
Think they have Outlaw Run masks available for sale yet?

You can literally get a handkerchief at Walmart

...but not a branded one that advertises Silver Dollar City!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 04, 2020, 12:30:29 AM
Think they have Outlaw Run masks available for sale yet?

You can literally get a handkerchief at Walmart

...but not a branded one that advertises Silver Dollar City!

Could have sworn I saw some in the store at the ride... maybe I just imagined it
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 04, 2020, 05:48:32 AM
Otherwise, if it opened tomorrow, I would go.

I have always kept my distance from others out of personal preference with the exception of theaters and queue lines.

They have hand sanitizer stations around the park. 

If you are uncomfortable then wear a mask or don't go

^^  what he said.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 04, 2020, 08:40:44 AM
I make face masks.......I have paint. Wont be officially licensed but fun to make.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 04, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
I do not know anyone personally that has been confirmed to have this. I am concerned about getting it and passing it to elderly family members.

I did not get passes this year, because I am saving money for a large purchase. Otherwise, if it opened tomorrow, I would go.

I have always kept my distance from others out of personal preference with the exception of theaters and queue lines.

They have hand sanitizer stations around the park.  If you are uncomfortable then wear a mask or don't go





I do not know anyone that has personally had it either, but to be fair the first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.  The first case in Lawrence County Mo. was yesterday in which I live.  If guidelines and social distancing had not been implemented everyone might know someone that had it or has it, and still might.  It will eventually get into the rural areas.

I too try to keep my distance from others at SDC, but that really is just impossible to do even on a small attendance day.  Will young children practice and be able to social distance??

Hand sanitizers would definitely help but still be just a drop in the bucket considering the rides and all the handrails that would constanly need sanitizing.  In some areas it would be possible but extremely challenging in others.

I see everyone's point in wanting to go, it's a tough decision to open or not throughout the entire country, but it just seems we don't know near as much about it as we really should at this point.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 11:36:33 AM
Okay, after a lot of soul-searching I have to ask the question: What would SDC have to do to make you feel comfortable enough to go back?  Our first planned trip of the year is for the 16th - 17th of this month for Bluegrass and BBQ.  I asked my wife (i really don't see it happening) but what if that was the weekend they decided to open for the season.  Would we go then?  What would have to happen for us to feel comfortable enough to go?  Make it mandatory that everyone wear a mask of some kind?  Do a temperature check for everyone going into the park?  Limit the number of people in the park?  What would they need to do?

Just Open
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
A short answer. A vaccine.

This virus has shown it can already mutate, last years flu vaccine was 29% effective, if you are banking on a vaccine good luck.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 04, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.

Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 04, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.

I can't say this with 100% certainty, but isn't the reason why there isn't a cold vaccine due in part to the hundreds of strains and the fact that the duration of most colds is short and the impact on health is minor? There's definitely an incentive to create a vaccine for this. There's no doubt it is a highly-contagious virus that feels like Russian roulette -- we just don't know who will have a bad reaction or who will be asymptomatic. On top of that -- and because of that, actually -- there's money to be made. The whole world is watching and waiting and drug companies are racing to be first.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 04, 2020, 12:50:02 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 01:03:29 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.

The ability to live one's life how they see fit is a God given right. No one is forcing anyone to go to SDC. You go and you get it then it is on the individual that chose to go, no one else. Same goes for work, if you value that life more, quit, no one forces anyone to work, Fayetteville is full of fat, apparently happy homeless. As with all thing every action has consequence but I will not be giving up for free will and if your scared, make Bezos richer. If I die from getting Wiflu on a coaster, it was a good death.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 04, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
Has anyone confirmed that rollercoasters, funnel cakes, and the smell of creosote do not cure the virus?  Maybe somebody should look into that.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 04, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
Seems logical......it cures everything else!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 01:27:51 PM
This is why we have to come to accept that life must gp on.  This is going to effect the health of people so much more so than the virus. Suicides, alcoholism, domestic abuse, many already showing upticks particularly domestic violence.

I'll point to the old saying, the cure is worse than the sickness.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 04, 2020, 02:49:23 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.

The ability to live one's life how they see fit is a God given right. No one is forcing anyone to go to SDC. You go and you get it then it is on the individual that chose to go, no one else. Same goes for work, if you value that life more, quit, no one forces anyone to work, Fayetteville is full of fat, apparently happy homeless. As with all thing every action has consequence but I will not be giving up for free will and if your scared, make Bezos richer. If I die from getting Wiflu on a coaster, it was a good death.

I will say it again in a different way. I could care less about your health if you choose to be a crusader or one of the clowns that put on costumes and march on your states capital. But, you people spread it to others and that is where your rights end totally.  If you choose to go out and avoid the guidelines then you need to be quarinteened so you do not infect others !!

I feel really sorry for you if you feel a roller coaster is more important than saving lives. You and other like you must live a sad life.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 04, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 04, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.


Yes...They will probably be strongly encouraged to, but if they don't drop like flies with no major complaints hopefully it will be time to open.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 04, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.

They can choose not to and face the consequences, sure. But right now, they are being forced NOT to work. Like I said earlier, I think there should be a reasonable reopening of the country/state/individual businesses that respects the dangerous nature of this virus, while also recognizing that it can be just as dangerous to the country/state/individual if we were to attempt to keep everyone shuttered in their homes for 1 to 2 years until a vaccine is widely available. The economic consequences and the subsequent effects they will have on mental health will be dangerous. I know that line of thinking may sound callous and it may sound like the rhetoric employed by folks who also say that this isn't a serious/real health threat, but that secondary catastrophe -- suicides, mental breakdowns, domestic violence, child abuse -- is very real and should be considered in how we think about this, in my opinion. It is true that reports of those things I listed above are on the rise. Sadly, mental health issues requiring hospitalization are on the rise, domestic abuse reports are on the rise, and so are child abuse cases. The consequences of not sheltering-in-place are fairly obvious, now, but unfortunately, the consequences of sheltering-in-place are also starting to reveal themselves, too, and none of them are favorable in the least.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 04, 2020, 03:40:36 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.

They can choose not to and face the consequences, sure. But right now, they are being forced NOT to work. Like I said earlier, I think there should be a reasonable reopening of the country/state/individual businesses that respects the dangerous nature of this virus, while also recognizing that it can be just as dangerous to the country/state/individual if we were to attempt to keep everyone shuttered in their homes for 1 to 2 years until a vaccine is widely available. The economic consequences and the subsequent effects they will have on mental health will be dangerous. I know that line of thinking may sound callous and it may sound like the rhetoric employed by folks who also say that this isn't a serious/real health threat, but that secondary catastrophe -- suicides, mental breakdowns, domestic violence, child abuse -- is very real and should be considered in how we think about this, in my opinion. It is true that reports of those things I listed above are on the rise. Sadly, mental health issues requiring hospitalization are on the rise, domestic abuse reports are on the rise, and so are child abuse cases. The consequences of not sheltering-in-place are fairly obvious, now, but unfortunately, the consequences of sheltering-in-place are also starting to reveal themselves, too, and none of them are favorable in the least.

I would love to see some legitimate links to your research ?  And at what dollar amount of salary do you value a human life /
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 04, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Here's an article noting that a shelter service in KC has noticed a 25% increase in domestic violence calls since the stay-at-home order was issued.

https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/kcpd-domestic-violence-up-in-kansas-city-since-stay-at-home-order-took-effect

That same article mentions that KCMO Police Dept stats indicate an increase in domestic violence incidents without a weapon from 277 to 323 (17% increase) from January through March with no other types of crime showing a similar increase.

Here's an article noting that child abuse cases in Jackson County dropped 50 percent between mid-March and mid-April, likely because children are not being seen by teachers at school who are mandatory reporters. Obviously not indicative of an increase, but the decrease is cause for concern and child advocates caution in this article that an increase in child abuse cases is expected.

https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/kcpd-domestic-violence-up-in-kansas-city-since-stay-at-home-order-took-effect

Further from home, here's a report from Texas that child abuse cases have spiked, there, with 8 children admitted to Cook Children's in Fort Worth from March 17 to April 15 with injuries related to child abuse -- three died, when Cook Children's typically sees 6 child abuse deaths in an entire year.

http://fortworthtexas.gov/news/2020/04/COVID-19-Child-Abuse-Prevention/

The mental health cases requiring hospitalization -- some of that is anecdotal evidence. Things I've heard from people who work in health care settings. But there is also this article from Hays, KS detailing how calls to a local mental health center's crisis hotline doubled between April and May.

https://hayspost.com/posts/5eab10e3eb7f17053603d8a7
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 04, 2020, 04:13:15 PM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.

They can choose not to and face the consequences, sure. But right now, they are being forced NOT to work. Like I said earlier, I think there should be a reasonable reopening of the country/state/individual businesses that respects the dangerous nature of this virus, while also recognizing that it can be just as dangerous to the country/state/individual if we were to attempt to keep everyone shuttered in their homes for 1 to 2 years until a vaccine is widely available. The economic consequences and the subsequent effects they will have on mental health will be dangerous. I know that line of thinking may sound callous and it may sound like the rhetoric employed by folks who also say that this isn't a serious/real health threat, but that secondary catastrophe -- suicides, mental breakdowns, domestic violence, child abuse -- is very real and should be considered in how we think about this, in my opinion. It is true that reports of those things I listed above are on the rise. Sadly, mental health issues requiring hospitalization are on the rise, domestic abuse reports are on the rise, and so are child abuse cases. The consequences of not sheltering-in-place are fairly obvious, now, but unfortunately, the consequences of sheltering-in-place are also starting to reveal themselves, too, and none of them are favorable in the least.

I would love to see some legitimate links to your research ?  And at what dollar amount of salary do you value a human life /

I don't put a dollar amount on the value of human life. We are image-bearers of our Creator and all life is precious. I'd ask you why you are so resistant to the idea that all government actions have consequences. Some good and some bad. I've heard it said about this pandemic that while all of us are in the same storm, we are not in the same boat. Some are riding this out from their vacation homes on remote islands, some are stuck in downtown high-rises, some in suburban neighborhoods, and some are out on the farm. Some can work from home because of the nature of their work, and some can not. Some don't need to work and will hardly put a dent in their savings while they wait for a return to normalcy. Some are already out of work and relying on unemployment to make ends meet. Some are picking up free food in church parking lots, many who probably never thought they would have to resort to something like that. Some are protesting on the steps of their state capitol buildings -- some out of principle and some out of necessity because they lost their jobs or the market for the goods they produce has collapsed due to government action. Again, I'm not saying the right response was to do nothing at all...all I'm saying is we should be honest with ourselves and each other as we contemplate the consequences of those actions. They are very real and life-impacting, as well.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 04, 2020, 05:30:47 PM
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... it’s May
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 08:38:41 PM
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... it’s May

France has gone back and reexamined pneumonia deaths and one in the last week of Dec was positive for Wuflu. The person had not been to China,.so they now.figure it was in France since mid Dec. Bet your bottom dollar the same will.be true in the states. California has traced back to it being here to the first week of Jan.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2020, 08:59:51 PM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.

The ability to live one's life how they see fit is a God given right. No one is forcing anyone to go to SDC. You go and you get it then it is on the individual that chose to go, no one else. Same goes for work, if you value that life more, quit, no one forces anyone to work, Fayetteville is full of fat, apparently happy homeless. As with all thing every action has consequence but I will not be giving up for free will and if your scared, make Bezos richer. If I die from getting Wiflu on a coaster, it was a good death.

I will say it again in a different way. I could care less about your health if you choose to be a crusader or one of the clowns that put on costumes and march on your states capital. But, you people spread it to others and that is where your rights end totally.  If you choose to go out and avoid the guidelines then you need to be quarinteened so you do not infect others !!

I feel really sorry for you if you feel a roller coaster is more important than saving lives. You and other like you must live a sad life.

And I'll say it again, stay your butt at home. My wife has been working whole time doing in person therapy and home visit therapy for her students. I'm putting in 50 hours a week making tooling to increase production at various essential businesses.and my Daughter has been working in a grocery store while being robbed of her senior year. Some of you all don't seem to realize that even in this lockdown nonsense folks are working so that you can stay home and go all Karen and lecture us about staying home and saving lives. Please, save the self righous crusading. If you don't want to die don't go out. Amazon yourself right into.depression. You never know when you are going to check out, A tree could crash down through the house and take me out tonight. I.learned it when my Father checked out at 43.and I have outlived him for 5 years so far. He went to sleeping after fishing that day and never woke up.

It is now hailing for the third time in Fayetteville today. Geez.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 04, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
^ Are you doing ok up there in Fayetteville, Chitlins?  I live about 20 miles southwest of Little Rock in Benton and one our local weathermen, Todd Yakobian, posted on his twitter feed earlier some pictures of baseball sized hail in Fayetteville.  Nasty stuff.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 05, 2020, 12:08:31 AM
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... it’s May

France has gone back and reexamined pneumonia deaths and one in the last week of Dec was positive for Wuflu. The person had not been to China,.so they now.figure it was in France since mid Dec. Bet your bottom dollar the same will.be true in the states. California has traced back to it being here to the first week of Jan.

I’m not sold that of these Kung Flu confirmed cases are actually Kung Flu.  Influenza A was horrible this year
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 05, 2020, 04:05:54 AM
A short answer. A vaccine.

There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus, including the common cold. Researchers have worked on it for decades, with no success.

I don't expect this virus to be any different, especially since it will mutate within 18 months.


Not like it hasn’t mutated at least a reported 4 times already during this planned-demic

Seriously if you’re scared, stay home, the rest of us are going to start living again.  Just keep in mind that staying home will also repress your immune system making you more likely to catch a lesser disease/virus when you actually do go out finally

I will!! and those of you who choose to be cavalier in your attitude please take precautions so you do not infect anyone with a compromised immune system.. I actually hope they keep it closed all year myself so the selfish will not be tempted to infect those who are choosing to be smart. But, Then the ability to ride a roller coaster is a god given right !!! The important things in life. LOL And unless you have a degree in infectious desiese or immunology your medical opinion means nothing.

The ability to live one's life how they see fit is a God given right. No one is forcing anyone to go to SDC. You go and you get it then it is on the individual that chose to go, no one else. Same goes for work, if you value that life more, quit, no one forces anyone to work, Fayetteville is full of fat, apparently happy homeless. As with all thing every action has consequence but I will not be giving up for free will and if your scared, make Bezos richer. If I die from getting Wiflu on a coaster, it was a good death.

I will say it again in a different way. I could care less about your health if you choose to be a crusader or one of the clowns that put on costumes and march on your states capital. But, you people spread it to others and that is where your rights end totally.  If you choose to go out and avoid the guidelines then you need to be quarinteened so you do not infect others !!

I feel really sorry for you if you feel a roller coaster is more important than saving lives. You and other like you must live a sad life.

And I'll say it again, stay your butt at home. My wife has been working whole time doing in person therapy and home visit therapy for her students. I'm putting in 50 hours a week making tooling to increase production at various essential businesses.and my Daughter has been working in a grocery store while being robbed of her senior year. Some of you all don't seem to realize that even in this lockdown nonsense folks are working so that you can stay home and go all Karen and lecture us about staying home and saving lives. Please, save the self righous crusading. If you don't want to die don't go out. Amazon yourself right into.depression. You never know when you are going to check out, A tree could crash down through the house and take me out tonight. I.learned it when my Father checked out at 43.and I have outlived him for 5 years so far. He went to sleeping after fishing that day and never woke up.

It is now hailing for the third time in Fayetteville today. Geez.

Just FYI,My girlfriend is a nursing home administrator and has had to self quarantine away from our home because of irresponsible people who go out without protection. So save me the drama topper. I am retired and am free to do as I please. She has told me several times it is her responsibility to not bring it home. Just as it is anyones who goes out. Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 05, 2020, 04:20:22 AM
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.

They can choose not to and face the consequences, sure. But right now, they are being forced NOT to work. Like I said earlier, I think there should be a reasonable reopening of the country/state/individual businesses that respects the dangerous nature of this virus, while also recognizing that it can be just as dangerous to the country/state/individual if we were to attempt to keep everyone shuttered in their homes for 1 to 2 years until a vaccine is widely available. The economic consequences and the subsequent effects they will have on mental health will be dangerous. I know that line of thinking may sound callous and it may sound like the rhetoric employed by folks who also say that this isn't a serious/real health threat, but that secondary catastrophe -- suicides, mental breakdowns, domestic violence, child abuse -- is very real and should be considered in how we think about this, in my opinion. It is true that reports of those things I listed above are on the rise. Sadly, mental health issues requiring hospitalization are on the rise, domestic abuse reports are on the rise, and so are child abuse cases. The consequences of not sheltering-in-place are fairly obvious, now, but unfortunately, the consequences of sheltering-in-place are also starting to reveal themselves, too, and none of them are favorable in the least.

I would love to see some legitimate links to your research ?  And at what dollar amount of salary do you value a human life /

I don't put a dollar amount on the value of human life. We are image-bearers of our Creator and all life is precious. I'd ask you why you are so resistant to the idea that all government actions have consequences. Some good and some bad. I've heard it said about this pandemic that while all of us are in the same storm, we are not in the same boat. Some are riding this out from their vacation homes on remote islands, some are stuck in downtown high-rises, some in suburban neighborhoods, and some are out on the farm. Some can work from home because of the nature of their work, and some can not. Some don't need to work and will hardly put a dent in their savings while they wait for a return to normalcy. Some are already out of work and relying on unemployment to make ends meet. Some are picking up free food in church parking lots, many who probably never thought they would have to resort to something like that. Some are protesting on the steps of their state capitol buildings -- some out of principle and some out of necessity because they lost their jobs or the market for the goods they produce has collapsed due to government action. Again, I'm not saying the right response was to do nothing at all...all I'm saying is we should be honest with ourselves and each other as we contemplate the consequences of those actions. They are very real and life-impacting, as well.

Actually some of your links were interesting although one is data before the shutdown started. The pandemic is no excuse for DV and that situation will arise eventually regardless. They victims should be out of there irregardless of a pandemic or not. As for the other stuff you mentioned above I am agnostic so the creator thing does not go far with me. What I am saying is that if you choose to go out then it is your responsibility to not spread the disease! plain and simple. If SDC opens then it is going to be with strict guidelines and social distancing rules. Hope everyone is prepared to see citizens in masks and hopefully they will require customers to wear them also.
Just because there is sanitizer do you think people will use it? Especially the planademic crowd ? Will people balk at wearing protection or submitting to having thier temperature taken ? Will they respect distancing marks on the floors and sidewalks ?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 05, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... it’s May

Right....I was just using a time reference.

105 days  =  Approx 3 1/2  Months
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 05, 2020, 06:16:02 AM
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... it’s May

France has gone back and reexamined pneumonia deaths and one in the last week of Dec was positive for Wuflu. The person had not been to China,.so they now.figure it was in France since mid Dec. Bet your bottom dollar the same will.be true in the states. California has traced back to it being here to the first week of Jan.

I’m not sold that of these Kung Flu confirmed cases are actually Kung Flu.  Influenza A was horrible this year

I don't believe they can confirm a case of COVID-19 unless they were tested......could be wrong about that.

Yes...Influenza A was bad this year.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Wildfire on May 05, 2020, 06:54:36 AM
I find it interesting that the vast majority of people screaming at people to stay home are either still working and collecting a paycheck or retired/disabled and collecting a paycheck.  If you are so scared, you can stay home.  The rest of us that don't have pre-existing health problems will keep the economy and supply chain going for you and help build up herd immunity.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 05, 2020, 10:20:12 AM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
I find it interesting that the vast majority of people screaming at people to stay home are either still working and collecting a paycheck or retired/disabled and collecting a paycheck.  If you are so scared, you can stay home.  The rest of us that don't have pre-existing health problems will keep the economy and supply chain going for you and help build up herd immunity.

I'm still working and collect paychecks and I'm saying make your own mind up and don't lecture me if I want to go to a theme park.

Article on France
https://www.dailywire.com/news/france-discovers-coronavirus-from-china-hit-their-country-much-sooner-than-realized

Other folks because of the Wuflu but not from the Wuflu

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dozens-dead-after-lockdown-measures-delayed-their-heart-surgeries-health-official-certainly-was-not-intended
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 10:59:09 AM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

It is the shifting of goal posts for other means.

Runner is literally going to worry himself death it seems.

And... I agree with what this  cat said long ago at the beginning along with Sweden

"‘Going outdoors is what stops every respiratory disease’

A veteran scholar of epidemiology has warned that the ongoing lockdowns throughout the United States and the rest of the world are almost certainly just prolonging the coronavirus outbreak rather than doing anything to truly mitigate it.

Knut Wittkowski, previously the longtime head of the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at the Rockefeller University in New York City, said in an interview with the Press and the Public Project that the coronavirus could be “exterminated” if we permitted most people to lead normal lives and sheltered the most vulnerable parts of society until the danger had passed.

“[W]hat people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary,” he said.

“With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated,” he added."
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 05, 2020, 01:08:24 PM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

Did I say quarantine anywhere ? I said without protection. I could care less if people get out but then it is their responsibility to not spread it to others.  People not wearing protection, Not respecting the social distancing guidelines !  I am out every day but I am taking the necessary precautions.  It is my responsibility to not potentially infect others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-70000-as-forecasting-models-predict-grim-summer/ar-BB13Dk71?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 05, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
I find it interesting that the vast majority of people screaming at people to stay home are either still working and collecting a paycheck or retired/disabled and collecting a paycheck.  If you are so scared, you can stay home.  The rest of us that don't have pre-existing health problems will keep the economy and supply chain going for you and help build up herd immunity.

I'm still working and collect paychecks and I'm saying make your own mind up and don't lecture me if I want to go to a theme park.

 


Then take the personal responsibility that comes along with it !
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 05, 2020, 01:42:50 PM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

Did I say quarantine anywhere ? I said without protection. I could care less if people get out but then it is their responsibility to not spread it to others.  People not wearing protection, Not respecting the social distancing guidelines !  I am out every day but I am taking the necessary precautions.  It is my responsibility to not potentially infect others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-70000-as-forecasting-models-predict-grim-summer/ar-BB13Dk71?li=BBnb7Kz

Then what did you mean by the text I highlighted?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 01:47:37 PM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

Did I say quarantine anywhere ? I said without protection. I could care less if people get out but then it is their responsibility to not spread it to others.  People not wearing protection, Not respecting the social distancing guidelines !  I am out every day but I am taking the necessary precautions.  It is my responsibility to not potentially infect others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-70000-as-forecasting-models-predict-grim-summer/ar-BB13Dk71?li=BBnb7Kz

Then what did you mean by the text I highlighted?

Forget it, he's right, everyone that disagrees is wrong. There's no debate.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: legoerosion on May 05, 2020, 02:15:55 PM
Pretty ironic to say that, chittlins, as both of you and runner have been going back and fourth, acting like either side is right and the other is wrong.

Yes, people need to work, yes, people need to make sure they're protected, yes, people need money. It's just back and fourth of the same message with just a change of words.

Back to SDC, like I said earlier, I think a soft opening when it's feasible seems like the best choice to go, then when the park is allowed to go a full capacity, hold the opening ceremony. Make it big, make it grand. Now when that can happen, nobody knows. As most rural areas are just now starting to get some confirmed cases (my county included), we're not sure what's going to happen. There's no way that we got COVID during December, though. It does not add up.

I'm positive that the city could be fully open by August, though. I wonder how much progress they've made on MRF?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 05, 2020, 02:18:56 PM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

Did I say quarantine anywhere ? I said without protection. I could care less if people get out but then it is their responsibility to not spread it to others.  People not wearing protection, Not respecting the social distancing guidelines !  I am out every day but I am taking the necessary precautions.  It is my responsibility to not potentially infect others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-70000-as-forecasting-models-predict-grim-summer/ar-BB13Dk71?li=BBnb7Kz

Then what did you mean by the text I highlighted?

That people took it as a sign that COVID-19 jus magically disappeared and everything is ok!!!  It is ok to go out without protection! OK to not use social distancing, OK to not sanitize!!!  Again , I will say. Go Out, have fun with whatever floats your boat. But, It is your responsibility to not spread the disease. It is also my right to tell them to step back from me, Which I will do.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 03:05:59 PM
Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

So what are you suggesting? You have to admit that society can't be shutdown indefinitely.

The quarantining was implemented in the first place to keep hospitals and health care facilities from being overrun, not to prevent the whole spread of the virus. There was always going to be a spike in cases no matter when things were opened up.

Did I say quarantine anywhere ? I said without protection. I could care less if people get out but then it is their responsibility to not spread it to others.  People not wearing protection, Not respecting the social distancing guidelines !  I am out every day but I am taking the necessary precautions.  It is my responsibility to not potentially infect others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-exceed-70000-as-forecasting-models-predict-grim-summer/ar-BB13Dk71?li=BBnb7Kz

Then what did you mean by the text I highlighted?

That people took it as a sign that COVID-19 jus magically disappeared and everything is ok!!!  It is ok to go out without protection! OK to not use social distancing, OK to not sanitize!!!  Again , I will say. Go Out, have fun with whatever floats your boat. But, It is your responsibility to not spread the disease. It is also my right to tell them to step back from me, Which I will do.

Give it a break or eat a sneakers or something

If half the folks would wear a mask right it might help. There was a reason they didn't push it early on.

Fantastic tweet thread here

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1257392347010215947
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 05, 2020, 03:06:35 PM
Pretty ironic to say that, chittlins, as both of you and runner have been going back and fourth, acting like either side is right and the other is wrong.

Yes, people need to work, yes, people need to make sure they're protected, yes, people need money. It's just back and fourth of the same message with just a change of words.

Back to SDC, like I said earlier, I think a soft opening when it's feasible seems like the best choice to go, then when the park is allowed to go a full capacity, hold the opening ceremony. Make it big, make it grand. Now when that can happen, nobody knows. As most rural areas are just now starting to get some confirmed cases (my county included), we're not sure what's going to happen. There's no way that we got COVID during December, though. It does not add up.

I'm positive that the city could be fully open by August, though. I wonder how much progress they've made on MRF?

Fully open as in operating at normal crowd capacity, or just all of the rides and attractions open, or what? I wouldn't be surprised if they kept crowd levels down to a certain point all year.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
Sweden sees a dramatic drop after every weekend in positive cases but the one following this weekend was steeper, will be interesting to see and follow. I check in on Sweden every day as they haven't gone all Runner on us.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: legoerosion on May 05, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
Sweden sees a dramatic drop after every weekend in positive cases but the one following this weekend was steeper, will be interesting to see and follow. I check in on Sweden every day as they haven't gone all Runner on us.

The only reasoning I've seen for the drop-offs during the weekend with the US is that the labs are closed on Sundays and couriers won't pick up samples on Saturdays, so it lags by 24-48 hours, which is why Mondays/Tuesdays see spikes in cases. So the same thing is presumably applied to Sweden.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: legoerosion on May 05, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
Fully open as in operating at normal crowd capacity, or just all of the rides and attractions open, or what? I wouldn't be surprised if they kept crowd levels down to a certain point all year.

I meant operating at normal crowd capacity, sorry. I'm sure they'll keep limits of lines/shows/etc
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 05, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
You guys are getting too emotional about this, again.

Look, there should be an easy middle ground here. Go about your business, but do what you can to limit the spread and protect your community for a little while longer until some better treatments are available. It shouldn't be a choice between absolute lockdowns or a free-for-all. We should all work together to get through this in a logical manner.

They just figured out how the produce antibody injections, and word on the street is that treatments will be available en-mass by the Fall. Then next year there will apparently be half a dozen vaccines to choose from. We already know so much more about this new disease than we did a month ago. There really is light at the end of the tunnel, and this is the fastest I think humanity has ever gone from identifying a new virus to developing treatments and vaccines. We have so much to be thankful for.

It's crazy how everyone has to pick a side and fight tooth and nail over it. In South Korea they worked together and stopped the virus with fairly small impact to their economy. America has just fallen to pieces with everyone going their own direction and having their own little take on the situation. We are truly a nation divided and conquered by ignorance and bitterness.

Getting back to the root of the topic, it's obvious at this point that if the park is allowed to open anytime soon, at least half the clientele will show up. It's really just a question of whether the park can get enough employees and whether they think they can operate profitably with everything they'll have to do to make it look like they are being safe. Staffing is probably the biggest headache.

I predict that by the end of this month they'll start preparing to open up by mid-June to early July. They can't afford to wait it out much longer, the public is ready, and as I said, treatments are getting better and we are rapidly learning more about this virus.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 05, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
I just want to point out that they’ve added back Operation hours on the app for June
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: okiebluegrass on May 05, 2020, 06:02:52 PM
In the words of Rodney King, Can't we all just get along?


Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 05, 2020, 08:14:29 PM
Maybe the app is different, I dont have it, but the website has had June posted for awhile. I would personally not use that as an indicator. But I have been wrong many times before and I will be wrong many times before I die.   


Also this whole mask vs no mask is very The Sneetches.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
In the words of Rodney King, Can't we all just get along?

I found zen by envisioning my new Weeping Japanese Maple "Ryusen "  in several potential focal points in the back yard along with a companion purple pixie loropetalum  and twilight  nandina
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 05, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
Wow I opened up a whole nest of murder hornets when I started this thread, huh?  I really didn't expect it to go in this direction but was hoping for maybe innovative ideas for the City to make it more safe.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 06, 2020, 06:19:36 AM
Wow I opened up a whole nest of murder hornets when I started this thread, huh?  I really didn't expect it to go in this direction but was hoping for maybe innovative ideas for the City to make it more safe.
In the words of Rodney King, Can't we all just get along?

More like Don King...."Only in America can you find so many angry people claiming to love their country, while hating almost anyone in it".   :)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2020, 07:04:07 AM
Wow I really didn't expect it to go in this direction...

Considering this is the second most politicized topic behind the current presidential administration, I’m not sure why you thought it wouldn’t end up like this.  There’s a major line drawn between the ones who are scared to death and the ones who are convinced this is overblown.  There’s no convincing these two groups otherwise.  Interestingly enough those groups correspond almost perfectly with “orange man bad” and “MAGA” which should tell you where they get their news/info from. 


Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 06, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
If SDC could only operate at, say, half capacity, it would help with overcrowding, but I also wonder about lines for various things in the park. Some lines end up right next to people just walking down the path or next to other lines when there are even a modest amount of people in the park. I wonder if and when SDC opens, will they keep certain things closed to help with the concentration of people in any one area of the park.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Jaykethekid on May 06, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
I think it would be reasonable to expect many shops and stalls being closed considering a good chunk of the employees who work them are elderly. I would imagine the only shops and food places being open will be the most popular and easiest to social distance in as well as ride gift shops.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 06, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
I think it would be reasonable to expect many shops and stalls being closed considering a good chunk of the employees who work them are elderly. I would imagine the only shops and food places being open will be the most popular and easiest to social distance in as well as ride gift shops.

That's a good point about many older employees not working, at least initially. Many older visitors who frequent some of those stops and stalls may also not be there as well. It may start out temporarily being like Midnight Madness and Pumpkin Nights where many of the shops were closed at night, except in this case being the whole day.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 06, 2020, 10:39:45 AM
If I was opening SDC tomorrow or in the near future I would have everyone wear masks (if that does help).  I would keep sanatized everything possible that wasn't a major hindrance to my visitors.....rides especially.  I would try to max out attendance at possibly 6,000 and close the gates at that point.  As much as I hate to say it, I would throw social distancing out the door.  I think that would be close to impossible to implement and be successful with. Also, I could see a lot of fighting taking place because visitors didn't think others were social distancing the way they should.  I am not taking the road they should or should not open, just the what if.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: woodgrain on May 06, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Wow I opened up a whole nest of murder hornets when I started this thread, huh?  I really didn't expect it to go in this direction but was hoping for maybe innovative ideas for the City to make it more safe.

Ok I'll throw out a potentially completely implausible idea. Inspired by online ordering and curbside pick-up at most restaurants these days, how about an online/app ordering system for shops, allowing guests while visiting the park to pick from a menu in the app for the most popular shops/items and have their purchases available for package pick-up when leaving. Then you don't have to open shops to guests which would eliminate some close-quarters contact opportunities in high-traffic areas, while also generating some revenue. You could also give elderly/at-risk employees a chance to work as "pickers," fulfilling orders without direct contact with guests/coworkers.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: legoerosion on May 06, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
Wow I opened up a whole nest of murder hornets when I started this thread, huh?  I really didn't expect it to go in this direction but was hoping for maybe innovative ideas for the City to make it more safe.

Ok I'll throw out a potentially completely implausible idea. Inspired by online ordering and curbside pick-up at most restaurants these days, how about an online/app ordering system for shops, allowing guests while visiting the park to pick from a menu in the app for the most popular shops/items and have their purchases available for package pick-up when leaving. Then you don't have to open shops to guests which would eliminate some close-quarters contact opportunities in high-traffic areas, while also generating some revenue. You could also give elderly/at-risk employees a chance to work as "pickers," fulfilling orders without direct contact with guests/coworkers.

Now this is an idea I can get behind.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 06, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
If I was opening SDC tomorrow or in the near future I would have everyone wear masks (if that does help).  I would keep sanatized everything possible that wasn't a major hindrance to my visitors.....rides especially.  I would try to max out attendance at possibly 6,000 and close the gates at that point.  As much as I hate to say it, I would throw social distancing out the door.  I think that would be close to impossible to implement and be successful with. Also, I could see a lot of fighting taking place because visitors didn't think others were social distancing the way they should.  I am not taking the road they should or should not open, just the what if.

According to most everything I've read beyond the mass media nonsense is that prolonged, close in contact is the main driver for transmission. That is why we see meat packing plants and cities with crammed public transportation get nailed but grocery stores somehow escape mass break out. Shows and queue lines are the trouble spots for SDC. Ride time reservations and uutdoor entertainment with some spacing would be the way to go.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 06, 2020, 03:30:11 PM
According to most everything I've read beyond the mass media nonsense is that prolonged, close in contact is the main driver for transmission. That is why we see meat packing plants and cities with crammed public transportation get nailed but grocery stores somehow escape mass break out. Shows and queue lines are the trouble spots for SDC. Ride time reservations and uutdoor entertainment with some spacing would be the way to go.

Yes I agree, I think shows would be a big problem.  Actually shows inside would be completely out of the question at this time.  Should social distancing be in place??  Probably so with everything we know at this time, but the work load for employees would be overwhelming, and the SDC experience would pretty much go down the drain.  Also, I just don't see how it could possibly work. So I guess SDC will have to weigh all that out when they think it's time to open. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 06, 2020, 06:57:52 PM
Back to watching Sweden, the large weekend dip is now showing  a decline as testing results ramp up during the week as well.

Being at home is safe?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/06/majority-of-new-coronavirus-cases-in-new-york-are-from-people-staying-at-home-not-traveling-or-working/
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2020, 07:36:30 PM
According to most everything I've read beyond the mass media nonsense is that prolonged, close in contact is the main driver for transmission. That is why we see meat packing plants and cities with crammed public transportation get nailed but grocery stores somehow escape mass break out. Shows and queue lines are the trouble spots for SDC. Ride time reservations and uutdoor entertainment with some spacing would be the way to go.

Yes I agree, I think shows would be a big problem.  Actually shows inside would be completely out of the question at this time.  Should social distancing be in place??  Probably so with everything we know at this time, but the work load for employees would be overwhelming, and the SDC experience would pretty much go down the drain.  Also, I just don't see how it could possibly work. So I guess SDC will have to weigh all that out when they think it's time to open.

Oh no... no Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure this summer? Whatever will we do
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 06, 2020, 07:42:48 PM
According to most everything I've read beyond the mass media nonsense is that prolonged, close in contact is the main driver for transmission. That is why we see meat packing plants and cities with crammed public transportation get nailed but grocery stores somehow escape mass break out. Shows and queue lines are the trouble spots for SDC. Ride time reservations and uutdoor entertainment with some spacing would be the way to go.

Yes I agree, I think shows would be a big problem.  Actually shows inside would be completely out of the question at this time.  Should social distancing be in place??  Probably so with everything we know at this time, but the work load for employees would be overwhelming, and the SDC experience would pretty much go down the drain.  Also, I just don't see how it could possibly work. So I guess SDC will have to weigh all that out when they think it's time to open.

Oh no... no Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure this summer? Whatever will we do

Well that's one positive result!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on May 06, 2020, 08:18:01 PM
And then there are the credible sources that claim that everyone wearing masks and isolating themselves is the complete opposite of what to do and it actually leads to decrease in immunity to diseases.  One thing is for sure, hospitals are getting paid something like $13k for patients that they say have covid.  That seems like a reason for inflation of what the real numbers are.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 06, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
Wow I really didn't expect it to go in this direction...

Considering this is the second most politicized topic behind the current presidential administration, I’m not sure why you thought it wouldn’t end up like this.  There’s a major line drawn between the ones who are scared to death and the ones who are convinced this is overblown.  There’s no convincing these two groups otherwise.  Interestingly enough those groups correspond almost perfectly with “orange man bad” and “MAGA” which should tell you where they get their news/info from.

I guess I didn't think it would end up like this because I didn't ask about the moral decisions about going to a theme park/large venue.  I was honestly trying to decide when they open will I feel safe going back?  There have been a lot of good suggestions for what the park could do.  I know safety, at best in almost any situation, is an illusion.  I ride things like Outlaw Run knowing that something could happen but at the same time knowing that daily safety inspections are done.  Accidents do happen however because humans are involved and humans make mistakes.  It's just at what point do you feel comfortable with the odds of what's going on.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 07, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
Wow I really didn't expect it to go in this direction...

Considering this is the second most politicized topic behind the current presidential administration, I’m not sure why you thought it wouldn’t end up like this.  There’s a major line drawn between the ones who are scared to death and the ones who are convinced this is overblown.  There’s no convincing these two groups otherwise.  Interestingly enough those groups correspond almost perfectly with “orange man bad” and “MAGA” which should tell you where they get their news/info from.

I guess I didn't think it would end up like this because I didn't ask about the moral decisions about going to a theme park/large venue.  I was honestly trying to decide when they open will I feel safe going back?  There have been a lot of good suggestions for what the park could do.  I know safety, at best in almost any situation, is an illusion.  I ride things like Outlaw Run knowing that something could happen but at the same time knowing that daily safety inspections are done.  Accidents do happen however because humans are involved and humans make mistakes.  It's just at what point do you feel comfortable with the odds of what's going on.

If you know anything about Ark 265/Crossover Rd in Fayetteville you know as yo go down the big hill to the intersection with Ark 16 there is a curve in the road at the top of the hill. The cars coming up the hill in the inside lane have tendency to drift into the inside downhill lane. Over last 15 years people have died here and been permanently disabled. The ADOT had admitted they screwed up the design years ago. NOTHING has been done to remedy the situation.  I have made it a point to avoid the inside lanes on that stretch of road and have drilled it into my wife's and kid's head as well as we all traverse this road daily, sometimes multiple times.

Yet I got caught not being able to get over before decending last and sure enough a pick up coming up drifted over a foot foot into my lane. Luckily I was far enough away to slow down immediately, without slowing down he would have never corrected back over in time. That curve is a greater danger to me and my family than Wuflu.

On masks...

If you are infected or carrying the Wuflu, wearing a mask all the time while your body is trying to shed the virus only makes you intakeb more of the virus. It is like taking virus steriods. This is why you see the huge outbreaks in close up confined places like meat packing lines and nursing homes. Wearing a mask is the ultimate confined up close space. It can make a person that could have likely been asymptomatic  intake more and more of the virus till it finally take hold. To all the Jethros out there this isn't rocket surgery.and why it wasn't mandated in the first place.

The homemade masks are useless for the most part. They have gaps, too thin to really capture anything as small as a virus. Unless they fit snugly and you have Macgyver'd some better homemade filtration like using clean hepa vaccum bags or coffee filters to layered between the fabric. It is all just feel good, false sense of security garbage. The reason it became such an issue is the media used it to criticize Orange Man Bad and feed their TDS, an ax in which to take hacks with.

And... before you call me a Republican, I think Boozman is a wasted suit, Wommack a Chamber of Commerce/Big Business hack, Cotton is a War Monger(though he is on the money with China).
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Praire Wind on May 07, 2020, 04:21:26 PM
Hey - I've been lurking around here for *years* and finally got around to making an account.

And the thing I can't help but notice here is that no one pointed out that a *lot* of the folks who work at SDC are older, and therefore *possibly* more at risk from COVID-19.

Although not quite a walking antique myself (yet) I do worry about a lot of good people who work there every year.  Many of them have existing health issues, but get up every morning, help open up the Park and welcome us in.  They smile and chitchat with us, and make us feel welcome and valued.

They are - for our family - as much an "attraction" as any building or ride or show.  It's the *people* who work there that make SDC a great place to go, year after year. 

So I will feel good about going back to SDC when I know that the folks who work there are safe and as protected as they can be. 

I'll be fine - my family will be fine - if we have to wait a while longer to visit.  But it's not worth the cost of any of those folks to me. 

And, for the record?  We glove & mask up before we go anywhere - because we try to protect *everyone* that we interact with.  I don't care who you are, or where you work, or what your politics or religion are - I'm not going to be the person who infects you if I can help it.  We *do* know someone who died from COVID-19; a family friend who worked side-by-side with my husband for years and was hospitalized, on a vent for 12 days before he died alone in ICU.  His family never saw him, never touched him again after he entered the hospital, and they had to be quarantined at home for 2 weeks (as did our entire family, and all of his co-workers and *their* families).  There was no funeral, just a burial.  Hopefully at some point in the future, we can all get together at a memorial for him.

I think that in the end, what will matter most to SDC (and really anyplace where employees have to deal with the public in general) is how we look out for each other. 

I'm going to go back into "lurk" mode now.  Y'all stay safe and healthy (and @chittlins, for crying out loud stay off that ding-dang hill)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 07, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Hey - I've been lurking around here for *years* and finally got around to making an account.

And the thing I can't help but notice here is that no one pointed out that a *lot* of the folks who work at SDC are older, and therefore *possibly* more at risk from COVID-19.

Although not quite a walking antique myself (yet) I do worry about a lot of good people who work there every year.  Many of them have existing health issues, but get up every morning, help open up the Park and welcome us in.  They smile and chitchat with us, and make us feel welcome and valued.

They are - for our family - as much an "attraction" as any building or ride or show.  It's the *people* who work there that make SDC a great place to go, year after year. 

So I will feel good about going back to SDC when I know that the folks who work there are safe and as protected as they can be. 

I'll be fine - my family will be fine - if we have to wait a while longer to visit.  But it's not worth the cost of any of those folks to me. 

And, for the record?  We glove & mask up before we go anywhere - because we try to protect *everyone* that we interact with.  I don't care who you are, or where you work, or what your politics or religion are - I'm not going to be the person who infects you if I can help it.  We *do* know someone who died from COVID-19; a family friend who worked side-by-side with my husband for years and was hospitalized, on a vent for 12 days before he died alone in ICU.  His family never saw him, never touched him again after he entered the hospital, and they had to be quarantined at home for 2 weeks (as did our entire family, and all of his co-workers and *their* families).  There was no funeral, just a burial.  Hopefully at some point in the future, we can all get together at a memorial for him.

I think that in the end, what will matter most to SDC (and really anyplace where employees have to deal with the public in general) is how we look out for each other. 

I'm going to go back into "lurk" mode now.  Y'all stay safe and healthy (and @chittlins, for crying out loud stay off that ding-dang hill)

We are sorry for your loss, and all that you have had to experience during this time, Praire Wind. Please chime in whenever you want.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on May 07, 2020, 05:45:59 PM
And welcome to the site, Praire Wind!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 07, 2020, 07:29:12 PM
Hey - I've been lurking around here for *years* and finally got around to making an account.

And the thing I can't help but notice here is that no one pointed out that a *lot* of the folks who work at SDC are older, and therefore *possibly* more at risk from COVID-19.

Although not quite a walking antique myself (yet) I do worry about a lot of good people who work there every year.  Many of them have existing health issues, but get up every morning, help open up the Park and welcome us in.  They smile and chitchat with us, and make us feel welcome and valued.

They are - for our family - as much an "attraction" as any building or ride or show.  It's the *people* who work there that make SDC a great place to go, year after year. 

So I will feel good about going back to SDC when I know that the folks who work there are safe and as protected as they can be. 

I'll be fine - my family will be fine - if we have to wait a while longer to visit.  But it's not worth the cost of any of those folks to me. 

And, for the record?  We glove & mask up before we go anywhere - because we try to protect *everyone* that we interact with.  I don't care who you are, or where you work, or what your politics or religion are - I'm not going to be the person who infects you if I can help it.  We *do* know someone who died from COVID-19; a family friend who worked side-by-side with my husband for years and was hospitalized, on a vent for 12 days before he died alone in ICU.  His family never saw him, never touched him again after he entered the hospital, and they had to be quarantined at home for 2 weeks (as did our entire family, and all of his co-workers and *their* families).  There was no funeral, just a burial.  Hopefully at some point in the future, we can all get together at a memorial for him.

I think that in the end, what will matter most to SDC (and really anyplace where employees have to deal with the public in general) is how we look out for each other. 

I'm going to go back into "lurk" mode now.  Y'all stay safe and healthy (and @chittlins, for crying out loud stay off that ding-dang hill)

Sorry for your lose and I can't avoid that hill.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: KBCraig on May 08, 2020, 12:57:37 AM
Just FYI,My girlfriend is a nursing home administrator and has had to self quarantine away from our home because of irresponsible people who go out without protection. So save me the drama topper. I am retired and am free to do as I please. She has told me several times it is her responsibility to not bring it home. Just as it is anyones who goes out. Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

I'm curious: while she's self-quarantining away from your home, how is she self-quarantining from her job and the patients in her nursing home?

How is she getting her food, and other basic necessities of life?

And how are you getting yours, without venturing out into the world?

As of yesterday's numbers, New Hampshire (where I live) has had 111 deaths attributed to COVID-19. Just this week we found out that 84 of those were in long-term care facilities, meaning only 27 deaths (1% of all cases) were in the general population.

All of those LTCF deaths were in privately operated facilities. In NH, every county has a nursing home operated by the county government, but we've had zero deaths in those. And as far as I'm aware, zero positive cases.

So that was a long way around to get to my point: you're not at risk from her, unless hers is one of those facilities with an outbreak. If it's not, then her population is at risk every time she leaves and then returns, because she has no way to avoid interacting with the world, even if she's staying distant from your home.

Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on May 08, 2020, 07:06:02 AM
Just FYI,My girlfriend is a nursing home administrator and has had to self quarantine away from our home because of irresponsible people who go out without protection. So save me the drama topper. I am retired and am free to do as I please. She has told me several times it is her responsibility to not bring it home. Just as it is anyones who goes out. Yesterday in Missouri it was like nothing ever happened. All the people out without protection potentially infecting others, just because our shortsighted govoner decides to lift the order. Death projections for June are already up and people are acting like its over.

I'm curious: while she's self-quarantining away from your home, how is she self-quarantining from her job and the patients in her nursing home?

How is she getting her food, and other basic necessities of life?

And how are you getting yours, without venturing out into the world?

As of yesterday's numbers, New Hampshire (where I live) has had 111 deaths attributed to COVID-19. Just this week we found out that 84 of those were in long-term care facilities, meaning only 27 deaths (1% of all cases) were in the general population.

All of those LTCF deaths were in privately operated facilities. In NH, every county has a nursing home operated by the county government, but we've had zero deaths in those. And as far as I'm aware, zero positive cases.

So that was a long way around to get to my point: you're not at risk from her, unless hers is one of those facilities with an outbreak. If it's not, then her population is at risk every time she leaves and then returns, because she has no way to avoid interacting with the world, even if she's staying distant from your home.

She did not go to her job.She was in a dedicated room till the quarantine was over in a hotel. I also never said I did not venture out into the world. I take all the precautions. I do Sams club pickup. Insta cart. I use a N95 mask when I enter a store, and carry Clorox wipes with me.
 And no they did not have A outbreak in her facility, but A couple CNA's had contact with infected people. The company policy was that all people who had contact with the CNAs had to quarantine. Luckily they had placed a policy in place that CNA's were to work with only dedicated people. So, Only a few residents had to quarantine in rooms.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 08, 2020, 09:55:58 AM
Hey - I've been lurking around here for *years* and finally got around to making an account.

And the thing I can't help but notice here is that no one pointed out that a *lot* of the folks who work at SDC are older, and therefore *possibly* more at risk from COVID-19.

Although not quite a walking antique myself (yet) I do worry about a lot of good people who work there every year.  Many of them have existing health issues, but get up every morning, help open up the Park and welcome us in.  They smile and chitchat with us, and make us feel welcome and valued.

They are - for our family - as much an "attraction" as any building or ride or show.  It's the *people* who work there that make SDC a great place to go, year after year. 

So I will feel good about going back to SDC when I know that the folks who work there are safe and as protected as they can be. 

I'll be fine - my family will be fine - if we have to wait a while longer to visit.  But it's not worth the cost of any of those folks to me. 

And, for the record?  We glove & mask up before we go anywhere - because we try to protect *everyone* that we interact with.  I don't care who you are, or where you work, or what your politics or religion are - I'm not going to be the person who infects you if I can help it.  We *do* know someone who died from COVID-19; a family friend who worked side-by-side with my husband for years and was hospitalized, on a vent for 12 days before he died alone in ICU.  His family never saw him, never touched him again after he entered the hospital, and they had to be quarantined at home for 2 weeks (as did our entire family, and all of his co-workers and *their* families).  There was no funeral, just a burial.  Hopefully at some point in the future, we can all get together at a memorial for him.

I think that in the end, what will matter most to SDC (and really anyplace where employees have to deal with the public in general) is how we look out for each other. 

I'm going to go back into "lurk" mode now.  Y'all stay safe and healthy (and @chittlins, for crying out loud stay off that ding-dang hill)

Thanks for the post, and sorry about your loss.

I could have sworn that we had at least a comment or two in this thread about the fact that many older people work at SDC, but I can't seem to find it. I know I at least thought about it, and came to the conclusion that, at least temporarily, the park may be populated with younger people needing jobs (not necessarily teenagers and young adults, but more people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s). I hope that doesn't prevent the older, regular employees to come back at some point when they are ready. It certainly will be a fine line that everyone will have to walk.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 08, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
On masks...

If you are infected or carrying the Wuflu, wearing a mask all the time while your body is trying to shed the virus only makes you intakeb more of the virus. It is like taking virus steriods. This is why you see the huge outbreaks in close up confined places like meat packing lines and nursing homes. Wearing a mask is the ultimate confined up close space. It can make a person that could have likely been asymptomatic  intake more and more of the virus till it finally take hold. To all the Jethros out there this isn't rocket surgery.and why it wasn't mandated in the first place.

The homemade masks are useless for the most part. They have gaps, too thin to really capture anything as small as a virus. Unless they fit snugly and you have Macgyver'd some better homemade filtration like using clean hepa vaccum bags or coffee filters to layered between the fabric. It is all just feel good, false sense of security garbage. The reason it became such an issue is the media used it to criticize Orange Man Bad and feed their TDS, an ax in which to take hacks with.

Sorry, but this is completely false. You will not "activate" the virus or make yourself sick wearing a mask. This is a debunked conspiracy theory that the crazy anti-sense crowd is trying to spread through the plandemic nonsense.

Masks are not entirely effective, this is known. What is also known is that even a loose fitting cotton mask can lower the spread of your breath droplets by a decent amount. It doesn't eliminate it, it just helps lower the spread. Mask usage has been directly correlated to lower rates of viral spread and much better outcomes for the community at large. It's a simple and easy way to show you care about those around you who may have a harder time getting through the virus.


Praire Wind, you really hit the nail on the head. Hope to see you around more.


I'm more and more certain they'll be open in June just based on how the country is heading. At this point it doesn't even matter how many people die. The flip has been switched and we've decided to just give in. I don't necessarily disagree entirely - the lockdown was supposed to be short and temporary. It's just a huge shame we waited too long for it to do much good and I wish people weren't so all-or-nothing about the issue.

I'm sure it will be like spring ride days just because they'll have limited staff.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: palallin on May 08, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
On the contrary, there is good science behind the reluctance to wear masks.  They make it much more likely that the virus will get to a wearer's lungs rather than remain in the upper respiratory tract; it is the cases where the lungs are infected that the most serious illness occurs.

Masks are being promoted as a means of limiting the exposure of others, not the wearer.  Whether that exchange makes sense is a statistical game whose outcome cannot yet be known.  But there is good reason to not wear a mask if you have been exposed because it can very much make your own condition worse.  At that point, you need to rely on isolation to avoid infecting others, not masks.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Preachin_Bill on May 10, 2020, 03:40:24 PM
I fully expect SDC to be opened up by June 1st and will be disappointed if they are not.

By then, there will be a lot more tests and also antibody tests. We will learn that a large, large swath of the population has this/has had this and recovered. Many who have it will show limited side effects.

Factoring in the mass amount of new numbers, we will realize that:
A) The death rate for this is even lower than the low rate it currently stands at
And
B) A majority of people already had/have it, making it senseless to keep the entire country shut down.

This trend is already appearing, and if you follow unbiased sources you know this.

There has been a lot of goal-post moving regarding the goals of the shutdown.
Everyone at first said it was to “flatten the curve and keep hospital beds open”. Now it has turned into “until there’s no more deaths”.  We did such a good job in most parts of the country keeping hospital beds open that many hospitals have had to LAY OFF and furlough employees! We went from worrying about beds to worrying about health care workers...that includes both my wifes and sisters hospitals they work at.
People are scared to go to clinics for preventative care. People are dying from heart attacks/strokes that could have been preventable. In a town nearby, a lady who used to go in for routine appointments had a heart attack, died en route to hospital, and her death was ruled covid as she was tested positive for it afterward. If you don’t think covid deaths are over-reported, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Branson...

Look covid is horrible and it is scary. But the cure is at this point worse than the illness. We cannot continue being shut down. For people who like “Models” and “projections”, realclearpolitics reported that the National bureau of economic research estimated that 77,000 deaths are possible due to layoffs from the shutdown. These are called “deaths of despair”. Not to mention all the unintended consequences the shutdown leads to that are negative.

Open it up. It’s time to live again. Bring your hand sanitizer and smile.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 12, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
https://kmox.radio.com/articles/radiocom/six-flags-update-season-passes-reservation-changes

Still waiting to hear an exact date, but we are rolling into mid May now... I am guessing SF announces plans some time this week and SFStL/FC will reopen by June. SDC will surely follow their lead. It kind of feels like people are waiting to see if there is a huge bounce in cases/deaths from the initial reopening. We are about at the time where such a spike would start occurring. It seems that the rates are going pretty steady with a slight downward trend (there's a weekly pattern with a big dip every weekend due to less testing being open, so don't get too excited yet about the mother's day drop in numbers).

We'll just have to keep waiting and watching for a little while longer, but I am cautiously optimistic as ever that things will get back on track for the second half of the year for those who aren't at high risk. Knock on wood.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: saladdays on May 13, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
I think parks are being resistant to being the first to reopen. I expect that once one park does, then many others will follow.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 13, 2020, 03:15:57 PM
I'm also thinking they are still assessing on opening with limited capacity or implementing a social distancing plan along with the logistics of using masks or gloves. Strangely enough I work at XNA and they just now implemented a mandatory gloves and mask policy inside the airport terminal. I expected that a month ago.

And like Shave said, to see if cases explode with the opening of other facilities first.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 13, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
I'm also thinking they are still assessing on opening with limited capacity or implementing a social distancing plan along with the logistics of using masks or gloves. Strangely enough I work at XNA and they just now implemented a mandatory gloves and mask policy inside the airport terminal. I expected that a month ago.

And like Shave said, to see if cases explode with the opening of other facilities first.

And Delta is down to a single daily  flight in and out of XNA for June.

Boeing CEO hints that a US major will fail, not file Bankruptcy, but go away, forever. Wall Street pegged it as American today.

Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: KBCraig on May 13, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
I'm also thinking they are still assessing on opening with limited capacity or implementing a social distancing plan along with the logistics of using masks or gloves. Strangely enough I work at XNA and they just now implemented a mandatory gloves and mask policy inside the airport terminal. I expected that a month ago.

I just had to make a quick overnight trip last week from MHT to DAL and back via SWA.

737-700 (143 seats) with 22 passengers on the first leg (to BWI), maybe 45 on the second leg. Lots of room to spread out, especially with SWA's pick-your-own-seat policy.

There may have been 1 or 2 people without masks on the entire trip.

The first return leg of my return flight was on a 737-800, which was my first time on the newer model. Those seats are much better, with more leg room, and a tray table that's actually functional.

As for gloves? That's a silly policy. Spreading by touch happens the same with or without gloves.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 14, 2020, 11:07:51 AM
I'm also thinking they are still assessing on opening with limited capacity or implementing a social distancing plan along with the logistics of using masks or gloves. Strangely enough I work at XNA and they just now implemented a mandatory gloves and mask policy inside the airport terminal. I expected that a month ago.

I just had to make a quick overnight trip last week from MHT to DAL and back via SWA.

737-700 (143 seats) with 22 passengers on the first leg (to BWI), maybe 45 on the second leg. Lots of room to spread out, especially with SWA's pick-your-own-seat policy.

There may have been 1 or 2 people without masks on the entire trip.

The first return leg of my return flight was on a 737-800, which was my first time on the newer model. Those seats are much better, with more leg room, and a tray table that's actually functional.

As for gloves? That's a silly policy. Spreading by touch happens the same with or without gloves.

I saw someone in a kayak all by themselves with a mask on, could not help but laugh.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
That is pretty good!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 15, 2020, 12:56:43 PM
Silverwood theme park (Idaho) is opening May 30. Indiana Beach is opening June 26. Beaches in NY are opening Memorial day weekend. Still no word on Six Flags...
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2020, 10:59:14 AM
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/dollywood-planning-reopening-as-state-allows-amusement-parks-to-reopen-next-week/51-0666ceda-691c-4a1b-8a04-039084975bae

Dollywood now getting geared up to open sometime soon. SDC is undoubtedly also working behind the scenes. The wheels are beginning to figuratively and literally move. Sounds like DW could open next month. I've been told by some people closer to the park not to expect SDC to open up before July, but we'll see.

Lot of great momentum in all regards at the moment. Still don't want to catch the virus though, and we aren't completely out of the woods yet.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 21, 2020, 11:58:28 PM
Universal Florida will open soon with precautions:

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/universal-orlando-approved-reopen-on-june-5th-report?fbclid=IwAR0fvxBr38Fe_hkuxgoR0CASuzn-fQB46RIcr8Y4ckx9qolWe0uuLx75aEo (https://www.foxnews.com/travel/universal-orlando-approved-reopen-on-june-5th-report?fbclid=IwAR0fvxBr38Fe_hkuxgoR0CASuzn-fQB46RIcr8Y4ckx9qolWe0uuLx75aEo)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on May 26, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
Frontier City just announced re-opening on June 5th.

Expecting DW announcement any day now... SDC to follow. I'd place bets on either June 19 or 26.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 26, 2020, 12:43:39 PM
If they have to do the whole social distancing deal, can you IMAGINE the lines just to ride the tram or the train??!! My friend in NC said her school district rules are one kid per every other seat on the bus! Yikes. And then 6 feet apart in lines!!?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on May 26, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
I take my hat off to anyone that can successfully implement all of these health & safety protocols.  I presume SDC will be very similar to Frontier City (Six Flags) when they start to open. 

https://sixflags.com/frontiercity/plan-your-visit/safety-protocols
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 26, 2020, 12:52:49 PM
If they have to do the whole social distancing deal, can you IMAGINE the lines just to ride the tram or the train??!! My friend in NC said her school district rules are one kid per every other seat on the bus! Yikes. And then 6 feet apart in lines!!?

1 per seat... but 1 in every row,

so really only 3 feet apart..

So? not really "social Distant"    LOL
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 26, 2020, 01:00:37 PM
If they have to do the whole social distancing deal, can you IMAGINE the lines just to ride the tram or the train??!! My friend in NC said her school district rules are one kid per every other seat on the bus! Yikes. And then 6 feet apart in lines!!?

1 per seat... but 1 in every row,

so really only 3 feet apart..

So? not really "social Distant"    LOL

I'm three feet from you.

You're three feet from me.

That's six feet!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Obviousdramatic on May 26, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
And the train conductor is standing this close to an idiot....(takes giant 3ft step away)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 26, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
If they have to do the whole social distancing deal, can you IMAGINE the lines just to ride the tram or the train??!! My friend in NC said her school district rules are one kid per every other seat on the bus! Yikes. And then 6 feet apart in lines!!?

1 per seat... but 1 in every row,

so really only 3 feet apart..

So? not really "social Distant"    LOL

I'm three feet from you.

You're three feet from me.

That's six feet!


LOL>.. 
right...   
3 feet from the front....
and 3 feet from the side... 6ft!!!
 LOL :o :o :o

OH!!!  MAKE THEM STOP!!!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Full-day Summer School begins in Joplin on Monday (no transportation provided). 

Also, the school board approved moving the calendar up by 11 days for the 2020/1 school year:  we are set to begin on August 13.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Full-day Summer School begins in Joplin on Monday (no transportation provided). 

Also, the school board approved moving the calendar up by 11 days for the 2020/1 school year:  we are set to begin on August 13.

Gross.  Why would they move it forward?  So do you get out 11 days earlier now for Summer?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 01:51:35 PM
Full-day Summer School begins in Joplin on Monday (no transportation provided). 

Also, the school board approved moving the calendar up by 11 days for the 2020/1 school year:  we are set to begin on August 13.

Gross.  Why would they move it forward?  So do you get out 11 days earlier now for Summer?

From the superintendent: 

"You will notice that this new calendar gives us the opportunity to engage our students earlier in their learning process, more instructional days within the first semester in order to balance the days, increases our flexibility to adapt in case of a potential winter COVID-19 spike and perhaps even gives us an earlier dismissal in May."
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Disney World reopening mid-July:  https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/media/disney-world-open-coronavirus/index.html?utm_content=2020-05-27T15%3A26%3A35&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1LO5VcajNmy_gFm4KYUZk_WVk5Ob72zxoFJri_ryMTK1voPeTkQxuVVsY&fbclid=IwAR2tTQuc5Q3bv4WkN22-DM8Sk6VCVm7NWAHKmWiW7xp530VfV441HrMxtvQ&fbclid=IwAR1HIOXDYLsvMBVKhM7ytCObBFRJ2P-DBXa7wx9Vf-67Lq8CK9wGHVjjDoM (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/media/disney-world-open-coronavirus/index.html?utm_content=2020-05-27T15%3A26%3A35&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1LO5VcajNmy_gFm4KYUZk_WVk5Ob72zxoFJri_ryMTK1voPeTkQxuVVsY&fbclid=IwAR2tTQuc5Q3bv4WkN22-DM8Sk6VCVm7NWAHKmWiW7xp530VfV441HrMxtvQ&fbclid=IwAR1HIOXDYLsvMBVKhM7ytCObBFRJ2P-DBXa7wx9Vf-67Lq8CK9wGHVjjDoM)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2020, 03:27:27 PM
Full-day Summer School begins in Joplin on Monday (no transportation provided). 

Also, the school board approved moving the calendar up by 11 days for the 2020/1 school year:  we are set to begin on August 13.

Gross.  Why would they move it forward?  So do you get out 11 days earlier now for Summer?

From the superintendent: 

"You will notice that this new calendar gives us the opportunity to engage our students earlier in their learning process, more instructional days within the first semester in order to balance the days, increases our flexibility to adapt in case of a potential winter COVID-19 spike and perhaps even gives us an earlier dismissal in May."


Seems to me this is like cutting off the top of a blanket and sewing it to the bottom and expecting the blanket to be longer.  Oof
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Full-day Summer School begins in Joplin on Monday (no transportation provided). 

Also, the school board approved moving the calendar up by 11 days for the 2020/1 school year:  we are set to begin on August 13.

Gross.  Why would they move it forward?  So do you get out 11 days earlier now for Summer?

From the superintendent: 

"You will notice that this new calendar gives us the opportunity to engage our students earlier in their learning process, more instructional days within the first semester in order to balance the days, increases our flexibility to adapt in case of a potential winter COVID-19 spike and perhaps even gives us an earlier dismissal in May."


Seems to me this is like cutting off the top of a blanket and sewing it to the bottom and expecting the blanket to be longer.  Oof

That was kind of my thought when the state pushed the start date closer to Labor Day.  This does make some sense if the virus is more active in the spring than in fall or winter.  If that is true, we will miss less time when the year is cut short again in '21.  If we make it through the year, we will have a couple of weeks more to enjoy SDC without the rest of the schools gumming up the park in May.  Whatever happens, I'm just along for the ride. It's out of my hands anyway.  Maybe I should have retired this year. :o ::)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2020, 11:21:04 PM
I still have 15 years left thanks to teaching 2 years in private school (which don’t count towards retirement unless I buy them back.  Ugh!)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2020, 11:43:06 PM
I still have 15 years left thanks to teaching 2 years in private school (which don’t count towards retirement unless I buy them back.  Ugh!)

Buying in is too expensive, but I do know people who have gotten loans to do it.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on May 30, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
Job listings on the website now say that employees will be required to wear provided masks for WW and SDC listings.
The vast majority of postings are repeated to WW and not SDC. I assume that this is because SDC had their hiring events earlier on before everything closed.
There are also reports on FB saying that they have started to fill pools and run water down slides at WW.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 30, 2020, 06:58:02 PM
Branson is packed with tourists.  SDC is really missing out a lot of money by being closed.  No one seems to care about social distancing other than the businesses and even then it appears to be out of spite.  Only ones in masks are employees (in some places) and they look miserable and like they’re contemplating their life decisions. 

The pandemic is officially over in Branson apparently
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on May 30, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
Job listings on the website now say that employees will be required to wear provided masks for WW and SDC listings.
The vast majority of postings are repeated to WW and not SDC. I assume that this is because SDC had their hiring events earlier on before everything closed.
There are also reports on FB saying that they have started to fill pools and run water down slides at WW.

That will make for an interesting set of tan lines....  IF they wear them all summer..'
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on May 30, 2020, 07:17:46 PM
I do not see how you can except somebody standing out in the heat all day to wear a mask. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2020, 12:40:20 PM
I do not see how you can except somebody standing out in the heat all day to wear a mask.

I guess I'll find out next weekend when I head to Frontier City
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on May 31, 2020, 11:53:00 PM
Since it's NPR maybe some of Karen's will let go

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1267221121130266631
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 01, 2020, 09:23:32 AM
The SDC ticketing website is down for maintenance. You can not currently purchase season passes or tickets.
Add-ons are still available and seem to be getting updated too. Single day trailblazer passes are unavailable for purchase through June 14th. (I do not believe that this points to a June 14th opening date. That seems way too soon without an announcement yet.)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 01, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
More add on items are now starting to line up with the June 15th date. Maybe there is something to it?
SDC
- VIP Tours
- Regular TrailBlazer Pass (14th)
- Double Stroller
- Single Stroller
- Electric Wheelchair
- No Culinary Classes before the 15th.

WW
- Splash Pass
- Cabana Rentals
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 01, 2020, 11:08:55 AM
Ticketing is back up with the 15th being the first date available for purchase.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2020, 11:19:10 AM
Park reopens 13-14 for season pass holders only (reservation will be required)
Park opens to general public on 15. 

Masks will be required and temperatures will be taken.  In addition metal detectors have been installed at the front gate bag check area. 

White Water will open to pass holders on 15-16 and general public on the 17

All dates should be assumed tentative until official announcement which could come as early as today. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Wildfire on June 01, 2020, 11:47:11 AM
Guess I won't be using my SP this year.  I refuse to wear a mask in 90 plus degree humid weather.  How ignorant to require masks in a waterpark too!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 01, 2020, 12:19:48 PM
I am sure SDC has thought this out considerably on all the problems they will face to reopen.   But what are they going to do once they let visitors into the park and they remove their masks?  I just don't see them dragging people out by their heels.  I can see this being one big problem!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 01, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
I will be curious to see how they are gonna enforce masks on the coasters and water rides myself, not to mention food and drink places. That seems like more of an added hassle than anything. I also wonder if they are gonna do staggered seating like whats been speculated to happen at other parks. (using every other seat)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Jemmicat on June 01, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
I had a feeling it was going to follow a similar pattern to what six flags stl was doing with the reservations and the masks. And I have a feeling that the whole front line employees are going to get the brunt of a lot of ire and insults when people did NOT make reservations and/or aren’t wearing masks. I feel sorry for those people as that is gonna be bad

Plus imagine how much of a slow down the whole checking your reservation is going to cause. And are season pass holders going to get preferential treatment on reservations or is it first come first served. I just feel so bad for the people taking tickets as their life is going to be horrible if other interactions in the Springfield/Branson are hold true. I have a friend who works at the Paddlewheel who had someone get in her face and call her all sorts of names because the employees as the paddlewheel have to wear masks and this person took issue with that

But I agree, I can’t imagine walking around all day in the heat and humidity in a mask. I have been horrible about not wearing one but went to the dr the other day and had to wear one of the N95’s I had. It is the first I had had a mask on. I nearly had a panic attack because I just could not get enough air. Took me about 15 minutes to calm down. I can’t imagine how bad trying to wear one through all the rides

But on a positive note, if they branded one with the outlaw run theme, It would definitely sell out!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on June 01, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
I predict that a lot of these precautions will fade away, including the reservation system. We'll see if there are any repercussions. I'm sure a few unlucky people are still bound to catch the virus and have a really bad time with it. It does seem to be getting better, whether that is from the virus evolving or just the fact that it has largely burned through the population of people who will have serious cases.

I think I'll probably still wait till end of summer to visit SDC or any largely crowded space, but I am slowly exiting hibernation and I am going to be forced back to the office next week anyway.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sirwillow on June 01, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
Just going to say that some of you that are upset about some of the guidelines, especially masks, might want to actually read what is on the website before getting upset and spouting off.  :-P

When do I have to wear a mask?

Guests will be expected to wear a mask or face covering while on property. Specific exceptions will be granted including the below, but only when 6 ft. of social distancing space outside your family unit is maintained:

    Children 3 and under
    Eating or drinking – both at a restaurant or while walking/sitting
    When taking photos
    For medical purposes – those with a doctor’s note stating breathing problems or need to wear a breathing mask
    While swimming or on an attraction where you will get wet (water slides/rides)
    While riding “High Thrill” or “Black Diamond” attractions
    While showering/changing clothes in an approved water park facility
    While occupying a private, rented space (Such as Cabanas at waterparks) if 6 ft. can be maintained between groups.


At the water park, will I have to wear my face mask or face covering while on the slides?

Face masks or face coverings are recommended when guests cannot socially distance. They will not be required on slides and in pools.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 01, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
Man grab the popcorn and go thru the comments over on the SDC FB page ...lol wow they seriously opened a can of worms on this deal.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on June 12, 2020, 07:59:54 AM
The latest trip reports from Busch Gardens and Seaworld reveal what most of us expected: the majority of guests are ignoring the precautions anyway. Masks are rarely worn past the gate. Even employees hardly wear their masks correctly (although I understand how much it sucks to be wearing them all day).

Numbers are spiking, but still low enough and mild enough in most cases that the public just isn't going to care until it affects them personally. I'm getting tired of reading the accounts of people who didn't take it seriously and then got a serious case or saw their loved ones go through hell. It's a sucky virus for a lot of people no matter how you cut it.

But on the bright side, it doesn't transmit nearly as easily as once thought, and being outdoors really cuts down the chance of transmission. As long as things are cleaned regularly and guests are at least somewhat mindful, a theme park is a fine place to be as far as I know. May the odds be ever in your favor.

Fingers still crossed for that Oxford vaccine to be ready by September.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Gilligan on June 12, 2020, 03:41:05 PM
Man grab the popcorn and go thru the comments over on the SDC FB page ...lol wow they seriously opened a can of worms on this deal.

That is no joke!  A couple commenters hoping they go bankrupt and the whole place has to close forever.  Good grief!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 12, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
We arrived in Branson this evening to head to the city tomorrow.  From what I can tell everything it town seems to be about normal.  Plenty of crowds and most things seem open. One thing I did notice as we picked up the coupon books is some of the places actually have good coupons in there.  Must need business.  For example McFarlins normally has a 10% off coupon and this year it is 25% off.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 14, 2020, 08:28:38 AM
We arrived in Branson this evening to head to the city tomorrow.  From what I can tell everything it town seems to be about normal.  Plenty of crowds and most things seem open. One thing I did notice as we picked up the coupon books is some of the places actually have good coupons in there.  Must need business.  For example McFarlins normally has a 10% off coupon and this year it is 25% off.


Which coupon Book? 

Do you use the Branson Guest Card, we use it all the time....

Have a good visit...   pics! pics! at SDC!!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 14, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
Has anyone heard why Wildfire is closed for the day?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 14, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
It was one of those coupon books you get in hotel lobbies, can't remember which one. 

We were walking up to WF this morning and there were several maintenance guys coming down the hill and told up WF was closed because they lost a couple of drive motors.  Sounded like a major deal which I would assume they did not have any spares available.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 15, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
It was one of those coupon books you get in hotel lobbies, can't remember which one. 

We were walking up to WF this morning and there were several maintenance guys coming down the hill and told up WF was closed because they lost a couple of drive motors.  Sounded like a major deal which I would assume they did not have any spares available.

Thanks Okie..

Hope you a good visit...

Drive Motors?  on opening weekend...  thats bad.!!  LOL
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sprtbuf on June 15, 2020, 08:42:23 AM
What is the story with how things are going to transpire moving forward after this weekend?

We were planning on going middle of next week and have heard about season pass holders leaving within just a few hours after admittance due to masks in heat, many indoor locations were closed off, hour+ long waits due to staff cleaning the rides between each ride cycle, etc. This was just over the weekend.

Any word if these precautions were done in a limited testing cycle to see how they affected the ebb and flow of availability and customer satisfaction? I've also read on their FB page comments about the misery in attending.

Thanks
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2020, 08:54:42 AM
What is the story with how things are going to transpire moving forward after this weekend?

We were planning on going middle of next week and have heard about season pass holders leaving within just a few hours after admittance due to masks in heat, many indoor locations were closed off, hour+ long waits due to staff cleaning the rides between each ride cycle, etc. This was just over the weekend.

Any word if these precautions were done in a limited testing cycle to see how they affected the ebb and flow of availability and customer satisfaction? I've also read on their FB page comments about the misery in attending.

Thanks

I think it depends on the mask you wear and if you have little kids. My family and I were there from 9 am till 5pm. It can be a challenge with masks but not impossible. We had cloth masks and I wore a wide brimmed hat. I think both mate a difference for me.

The biggest thing was the lines were funky enough for me my focus was not on the rised but mroe on the fun of the experience of SDC,

Make sure to catch Lindley Creek!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 15, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
We had real light weight thin masks, not the heavy cloth ones we used to have and after about 2 hours we were ready to go.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2020, 08:47:56 AM
Fair enough. I don't think I will make as many spontaneous trips this summer like I did last summer.

But thankfully wearing a mask does not impact things too much for me. I suspect that midnight madness will be pretty empty this year. I can not imagine wearing a mask in that typical heat and humidity.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 18, 2020, 07:29:04 PM
Looks like SDC had their first confirmed COVID-19 case visit the park.  With the preventive measures that are in place and the mask requirement the risk of exposure should be low.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/officials-warn-of-possible-exposure-of-covid-19-at-silver-dollar-city-branson-panera/ar-BB15FEvA?ocid=hplocalnews
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 18, 2020, 09:20:36 PM
2 things come to mind.  First of all, I am not buying into the hype surrounding the virus, but if you are showing any kind of symptoms, stay at home.  With that said, what kind of MORON goes into public, much less SDC with symptoms.  The 2nd thing that comes to mind, I guess their temp checks are pretty much useless.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Tmboote on June 18, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
2 things come to mind.  First of all, I am not buying into the hype surrounding the virus, but if you are showing any kind of symptoms, stay at home.  With that said, what kind of MORON goes into public, much less SDC with symptoms.  The 2nd thing that comes to mind, I guess their temp checks are pretty much useless.

I thought the same thing about going out with symptoms, but also realize that it’s very possible a person could have symptoms without noticing any changes in their physical health. I know many people who always seem to be coughing and others who have headaches frequently. So depending on what symptoms this person had, maybe they hadn’t even noticed any changes in their physical health.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 19, 2020, 08:40:40 AM
I suspect that midnight madness will be pretty empty this year. I can not imagine wearing a mask in that typical heat and humidity.

Nothing has been said yet of course, Too early to tell..
But I wonder about the Big Pumpkin Nights thing they do during The Harvest Festival..
   
Then IF they are so worried at that time about the "spread" of germs... 
How in the world are they going to have Carfters and Vendors onsite selling items?   
with hundreds of people walking around and "fondling" all the goodies the vendors are trying to sell..
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2020, 10:39:26 AM
2 things come to mind.  First of all, I am not buying into the hype surrounding the virus, but if you are showing any kind of symptoms, stay at home.  With that said, what kind of MORON goes into public, much less SDC with symptoms.  The 2nd thing that comes to mind, I guess their temp checks are pretty much useless.

I thought the same thing about going out with symptoms, but also realize that it’s very possible a person could have symptoms without noticing any changes in their physical health. I know many people who always seem to be coughing and others who have headaches frequently. So depending on what symptoms this person had, maybe they hadn’t even noticed any changes in their physical health.

What I’m curious about is why did they decide to get tested after their trip? What changed? Things like that make me question stuff like this.  Consider me “woke” to all of this and not taking reports at their word.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 19, 2020, 12:07:48 PM
2 things come to mind.  First of all, I am not buying into the hype surrounding the virus, but if you are showing any kind of symptoms, stay at home.  With that said, what kind of MORON goes into public, much less SDC with symptoms.  The 2nd thing that comes to mind, I guess their temp checks are pretty much useless.

I thought the same thing about going out with symptoms, but also realize that it’s very possible a person could have symptoms without noticing any changes in their physical health. I know many people who always seem to be coughing and others who have headaches frequently. So depending on what symptoms this person had, maybe they hadn’t even noticed any changes in their physical health.

What I’m curious about is why did they decide to get tested after their trip? What changed? Things like that make me question stuff like this.  Consider me “woke” to all of this and not taking reports at their word.

The simple answer could just be denial.  Most people would think no it can't be me.  I know I would need to have several symptoms before I would go to be tested.   Fever or shortness of breath would definitely get me thinking.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: shavethewhales on June 19, 2020, 07:07:39 PM
Most people don't go get tested until they get shortness of breath and start freaking out. A lot of people have mild illness and don't worry about it. Some don't even notice they have it because they are either asympotmatic or the symptoms are so mild they blend into the background of allergies/general fatigue/etc.

The problem is, a person who barely realizes they are sick can pass it to someone who very quickly has a bad case.

Those temperature scans are pretty useless. It turns out only some people get fever, and even then it only comes on days after they are already contagious.

FYI, now is a great time to give blood. Knowing your blood type can be helpful to evaluate risk (O types are apparently at less risk, and A types are at higher risk), plus most places are doing antibody tests for free on the blood. Many places are also in critical need of blood as well.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on June 19, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
I tested about a month ago (negative thank God) because I was running a fever and was home a couple of days.  My supervisor is a nurse and told me though the fever was my only symptom that I should probably get tested anyway.  I had to agree to self-quarantine for 4 days but I got the test results back in 70 hours and everything was ok.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 19, 2020, 08:04:12 PM
One thing I forgot to mention about my visit last week.  Both Saturday and Sunday which were season pass only days, it was a whole different crowd.  Everyone seemed well behaved and not rude.  At opening EVERYONE appears to be removing their hats and holding the hands to their hearts during the pledge and national anthem. During normal days seems many people do not bother.  Just a different type of crowd than the general public now days it seems, at least that was my observation, take if for what its worth.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 20, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
One thing I forgot to mention about my visit last week.  Both Saturday and Sunday which were season pass only days, it was a whole different crowd.  Everyone seemed well behaved and not rude.  At opening EVERYONE appears to be removing their hats and holding the hands to their hearts during the pledge and national anthem. During normal days seems many people do not bother.  Just a different type of crowd than the general public now days it seems, at least that was my observation, take if for what its worth.

Not surprised by that statement..
 
SP holders?
finally getting to go to the city? 
Get to check out all the new stuff?
No big crowd?
Whats not to be happy about.?

Everyone should be in a good mood and happy to be their.

Glad you had a good trip/visit..
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
Things I’ve noticed so far today

1. Zero social distancing at front gate
2. Zero point to metal detectors since they have you walk through with your bag and then do a courtesy glance in your bag
3. Reservation times mean nothing.  They scan your reservation and then your pass
4. Ride ops are horrible.  One train on Powder Keg.  Random cleaning on the train
5. Social distancing dots in line are apparently only a suggestion
6. Lots of protected chins (that’s where most masks are on people)
7. No choice seating on coasters
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2020, 10:45:39 AM
Ok, seriously, the amount of “protected chins” is unbelievable today. 
We also have some “protected ear” (singular) that is starting to appear (mask hanging off one ear)

I imagine this will only “improve” as the day goes on.  The park’s barely been open an hour
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Jaykethekid on June 20, 2020, 10:35:20 PM
You're not the first person I've seen mention poor ride operations recently. All I keep hearing is how they're only running one train on coasters, one side on barn swing etc regardless of wait times. You'd think that they'd have more than one train to compensate for the lost capacity due to social distancing. I'd hope that they try to at least keep the dispatch times short, but I still don't quite understand their cleaning process. I keep hearing that they
 either clean after every cycle or they clean after a certain number of cycles. I've even heard someone say that they will clean the entire train if they spot someone remove their mask while on ride. I guess I'll just have to see for myself next week.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2020, 10:48:06 PM
PowderKeg - 1 train. Slow ops. Random cleaning. 
WildFire - 1 train.  Molasses ops.  Line actually went upstairs. 
Outlaw Run - 1 train.  Decent ops. 
Time Traveler - 2 trains.  Good ops.
TNT - 2 trains. Decent ops. 

The most ridiculous....
The Giant Swing - 1 arm.  Loading maybe 6 people at a time. 
Train - every other row.  Must spray down entire train after each run

Closed due to Covid....
Grandfather’s Mansion
Fireman’s Landing play area and Ball area
Tree Climb in HDH

I’ll have a report probably tomorrow. 
The whole entry process was a joke.  I mean even Six Flags can figure this out, so I expected better
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: SDCisHome on June 21, 2020, 12:52:04 AM
I’m new to the forum. I am 27 years old from Oklahoma and have been a SP holder for approx. 15 years. I travel to SDC quite often, but Saturday (June 20) I was at the park. Here’s my experience:

I really felt “things” overall were very efficient. The health screening and security check-in was easy and quick and the ticket takers knew what they needed to see, (reservation and ticket). That was the part that had me worried beforehand, thinking it would take a long time.

I come for the rides so that’s what I did. I rode Time Traveler 5 times throughout the day, maybe waited 20 minutes max the first 3 rides and later in the day I walked on. Outlaw run, even though ran one train ops, was fast as usual. NO, ride ops were not spraying to clean the trains after every cycle on any ride, except for FSDL. I was happy to see that for speed reasons only. All rides did give hand sanitizer to every rider before they went through the station gates. That was great!

I ate at the new Riverside Ribhouse and was pleasantly surprised at the quality and quantity. Mystic River Falls looks wicked cool and can’t wait for it to open.

Now here for the slightly less than great reviews. Let’s start with FITH. The queue line was dumb. Even though the dots are on the ground, it’s still quite a tight space. They need to rework that. (Side note, i know it was changed last year, but the new “FIRE IN THE HOLE” voice at the end, has GOT TO GO! It’s horrible!)

The Barn Swing, even though it’s a balance and personnel reason, needs both swings going. Waited 15 minutes in one spot and didn’t move while 2 cycles went through. Ended up not riding today.

BUT, the biggest disappointment was PK! PK is my favorite ride on park and the best IMO! PK should NEVER run one train ops. Regardless of attendance, due to the the length of one ride cycle, (transfer, launch, lift and brake run), the ride time is long, then add switching riders and cleaning, it took a solid hour until I was able to ride. The queue line was no problem, but get people moving through there. For a ride that can run 3 trains, one train is just slow! Only rode once, WOMP!!! The ride ops did spray sanitize the train every once in a while (I’d say 30 mins or so) and send the empty train around, (I guess to dry it, not sure). Another reason to not have one train ops!

Back to the positives. I really felt the park staff all did their best. The ride ops, especially, having to deal with people directly handled the whole situation well. They get an A in my book for today! Overall, my experience was enjoyable and I did like the reduced capacity, even with a mask. If it means wearing a mask and getting to ride my favorite rides and go to my favorite place, I’m all for it! (No, I don’t like wearing it at all, but SDC > Mask, so I wear it). The park gets a B+ from me today.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 21, 2020, 06:40:56 PM
I’m new to the forum. I am 27 years old from Oklahoma and have been a SP holder for approx. 15 years. I travel to SDC quite often, but Saturday (June 20) I was at the park. Here’s my experience:



Welcome to the group..!!

Sounds like you had a good visit.!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: chittlins on June 22, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
Most people don't go get tested until they get shortness of breath and start freaking out. A lot of people have mild illness and don't worry about it. Some don't even notice they have it because they are either asympotmatic or the symptoms are so mild they blend into the background of allergies/general fatigue/etc.

The problem is, a person who barely realizes they are sick can pass it to someone who very quickly has a bad case.

Those temperature scans are pretty useless. It turns out only some people get fever, and even then it only comes on days after they are already contagious.

FYI, now is a great time to give blood. Knowing your blood type can be helpful to evaluate risk (O types are apparently at less risk, and A types are at higher risk), plus most places are doing antibody tests for free on the blood. Many places are also in critical need of blood as well.

Tyson had an outbreak in Springdale. They tested everyone. 95% were asymptomatic and would not have have ever known until made to test. How many more are out there? Wake Forrest  in North Carolina has a study now showing an 8 to 10% positive antibody rate there.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 22, 2020, 07:13:59 PM
I noticed the poor ride operations as well.  The first time we rode TGS it took forever to load and unload, and that was with TB passes.  They appeared to have a bunch of new people and one of the people mentioned today was their first day (that was opening day)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: JJH on June 23, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
I have read several reports about the social distancing, or more specifically the lack there of.  My question, is it possible to social distance?  I don't want this to turn into why you should or shouldn't.  If it is your choice to social distance is it possible?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 23, 2020, 03:15:12 PM
I have read several reports about the social distancing, or more specifically the lack there of.  My question, is it possible to social distance?  I don't want this to turn into why you should or shouldn't.  If it is your choice to social distance is it possible?

Yes.  They have dots down to help.  People just ignore them. 
Granted, it’s not as bad as Six Flags. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 23, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
I have read several reports about the social distancing, or more specifically the lack there of.  My question, is it possible to social distance?  I don't want this to turn into why you should or shouldn't.  If it is your choice to social distance is it possible?


If it is your choice to social distance then sure you can do it providing the person next to you feels the same way. 

No, it is not possible if you are making an effort and the person next to you is ignoring the fact.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: JJH on June 24, 2020, 09:01:29 AM
Sorry I am not being clear, I was not asking about the mechanics of social distancing.  I know if someone else doesn't want to, that is fine, I can walk away.  This was more of a general question, along the same lines as "is it possible to just walk on wildfire? or is it possible to get a seat in Echo Hollow show without waiting?"  So for the people that have visited SDC this year, does anyone social distance?  I know there will always be individuals that don't care, individuals have always cut lines, steal soda, push to the front at parades, sit in the handicap spots without being handicapped, and so on. I am asking "in general" is it possible to social distance. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 24, 2020, 12:18:06 PM
Sorry I am not being clear, I was not asking about the mechanics of social distancing.  I know if someone else doesn't want to, that is fine, I can walk away.  This was more of a general question, along the same lines as "is it possible to just walk on wildfire? or is it possible to get a seat in Echo Hollow show without waiting?"  So for the people that have visited SDC this year, does anyone social distance?  I know there will always be individuals that don't care, individuals have always cut lines, steal soda, push to the front at parades, sit in the handicap spots without being handicapped, and so on. I am asking "in general" is it possible to social distance.

Yes, for the most part. We've been three times so far with varying ease of social distancing. Really the only time that it can be difficult is when you are in line for rides or food. It's all dependent on the people behind you. You decide how close you get to the people in front of you and from what we noticed, the people behind us tended to take a cue from that and give some space. Our kids got good about standing on the their blue dot and it was kind of a game to them to go to the next one when it opened up.

We've also been to WW. There you have the added benefit of the rafts forcing some degree of social distancing while in line.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: JJH on June 24, 2020, 01:42:50 PM
Thank you, that is the information that I was looking for!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: runner1960 on June 24, 2020, 02:34:11 PM
Sorry I am not being clear, I was not asking about the mechanics of social distancing.  I know if someone else doesn't want to, that is fine, I can walk away.  This was more of a general question, along the same lines as "is it possible to just walk on wildfire? or is it possible to get a seat in Echo Hollow show without waiting?"  So for the people that have visited SDC this year, does anyone social distance?  I know there will always be individuals that don't care, individuals have always cut lines, steal soda, push to the front at parades, sit in the handicap spots without being handicapped, and so on. I am asking "in general" is it possible to social distance.

It is always your right to ask them to back off also. I would not have a problem in doing that at all.

 We had planned to go to the city over the 4th weekend but with the resurgence of the virus its just going to be
a couple days at the pool at our resort. Nice peaceful no stress weekend I hope.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
Some have been asking about what the park looks like now with the COVID-19 updates.
Here is a photo trip report showing off some of those updates
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2020/06/covid-19-update-sdc.html
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 26, 2020, 05:26:46 PM
Swoosh....do the white lines on picture #8 mean no sitting or standing?  More or less keep moving?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: mg on June 26, 2020, 07:38:28 PM
Swoosh....do the white lines on picture #8 mean no sitting or standing?  More or less keep moving?

That’s the line that your feet have to be behind during the parade at Christmas.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 26, 2020, 09:25:24 PM
Swoosh....do the white lines on picture #8 mean no sitting or standing?  More or less keep moving?

That’s the line that your feet have to be behind during the parade at Christmas.

Okay!  I thought they fairly well got those off before the new season.  Of course with the new season opening later they would not have the chance to wear off at this time.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on June 26, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
At least they did give the restroom safety signs a frontier look.  My Stetson is off to them for that.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2020, 11:31:07 PM
At least they did give the restroom safety signs a frontier look.  My Stetson is off to them for that.

Speaking of bathrooms... the ones at the Playhouse got remodeled
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on June 26, 2020, 11:56:45 PM
At least they did give the restroom safety signs a frontier look.  My Stetson is off to them for that.

I like the signs at the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum (AKA, Cowboy Hall of Fame) in Oklahoma City:

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/97259432_10158125986328950_6864605469957160960_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=i1ol2HHQcO4AX9OXyWQ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=57fd93fc258a42251a2d8ba1c2752c2b&oe=5F1C6620)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on June 27, 2020, 11:53:49 AM
^ Well yeehaw, HB!  That's my second favorite spot to visit next to SDC!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on June 27, 2020, 05:57:00 PM
^ Well yeehaw, HB!  That's my second favorite spot to visit next to SDC!

Really?  I haven't been there in quite a few years, but the security guard's posts during CVD19 have gotten me interested in a return trip.  I know it has improved a lot.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Duelist on June 27, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
^ Our last visit was in 2017.  We try to make it there every 5 years or so.  If I lived closer I'd visit more! 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on June 28, 2020, 02:25:28 PM
That’s the line that your feet have to be behind during the parade at Christmas.

Christmas!!!???? :D :D 

Are we still having Christmas this year..??    ::) ::)
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Preachin_Bill on June 28, 2020, 03:52:10 PM
Sorry I am not being clear, I was not asking about the mechanics of social distancing.  I know if someone else doesn't want to, that is fine, I can walk away.  This was more of a general question, along the same lines as "is it possible to just walk on wildfire? or is it possible to get a seat in Echo Hollow show without waiting?"  So for the people that have visited SDC this year, does anyone social distance?  I know there will always be individuals that don't care, individuals have always cut lines, steal soda, push to the front at parades, sit in the handicap spots without being handicapped, and so on. I am asking "in general" is it possible to social distance.
I don’t equate not staying at least six feet (arbitrary #) apart from others at all times with stealing or cutting lines, etc., since it is literally impossible to do in a theme park with thousands of people everywhere.

If someone is afraid of covid, they should not go to a theme park. Logic is seriously lacking for anyone who expects to socially distance/not catch a virus when out in public, especially at a place such as SDC.

Overall I thought it was handled very well during my recent visits and people were courteous, but I also have realistic expectations and I don’t live in constant fear.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Preachin_Bill on June 28, 2020, 04:23:30 PM
I visited the park two days last week. We had a great time. There was good and bad but mostly good, of course.
My crew included 8 adults and 13 kids of varying ages.

Homestead Pickers are a joy. Glad they are there to welcome people to the park. The entry was great and reasonable with reasonable people doing their jobs. The health check was a delay but done well and we get there early enough to not have to wait. Be there by 9 if you can.

Good stuff: First and foremost, the classics. Flooded Mine was looking and sounding great, except the “im gettin outta here...” line was still missing. But the ride looked good and I could hear the music. Gigs working, etc. Who cares about the guns.
-Fire In The Hole was not only there THANK GOD but it was good other than the very beginning and very end of the ride, which was bumpy.
-American Plunge is still fun, but we all know about the problems.
-Shops that were open were all good, especially leather shop and christmas and candy store. Taffy great, too.
-Bathrooms were clean.
-Food service was very good. They have a lot more on their plate now including sauces and they did a good job.
-FREE WATER. SDC deserves huge props for this. And the workers as well were giving big cups of ice water, with lids and straws too. Thats a small touch that has big benefits.
-Glad to see the Dockside still up and doing shows, hope the rumors of its demise are wrong.
-The new bridge down from the candy shop  actually looks great, much better than expected. Also, to my relief, the     horse sound is still used and the toll operator is still there. Great job SDC.
-The saloon show at the riverfront is a good move since the saloon is closed and they did a good job with it overall.
-Outlaw run really is a great ride, so is powder keg.
-Thunderation may have done the best job with the que.
-I’m really looking forward to the new mystic river falls ride. The theme is looking promising from what I can tell, so fingers crossed. Lake Silver is also still present. But the new area is awful (more on that below).

Now for the negative:
-Why on earth is the church closed? And grandfathers mansion? Seems dumb when some shops are open, I guess money talks. I expect those open next trip.
-New cinnamon bread store/bbq place look terrible. Ugh. The whole area is a serious downgrade other than the fact that its “new”. Im sure the food is good, but why did they decide to theme it like that? Makes no sense. And the music? Why get rid of cajun connection if you want to go for a jazz type theme, and the jazz they are using isn’t peppy at all. Sounds like a sleezy restaurant.
-Starbucks? Its like they are purposefully trying to ruin the old bakery when you combine that with loss of bread.
-Que operation was absolutely terrible at powder keg and fire in the hole. My goodness, what a fiasco. Powder keg needs two trains.
-a few workers on cell phones, but overall they were good.
-time traveler is still a big letdown for me.  But others enjoy it so thats good. One thing that I think we all can agree upon though is that awful tick-tock sound that ruins the entire area around TT, TNT, bathrooms, christmas hollow, etc. That tick tock is so loud and annoying, they need to get rid of it. Also the aue at TT was very, very slow considering the shortness of the line. Not worth it. It was a waste of time to ride it.

Masks? Meh. About what I expected. Its impossible for people to wear masks constantly, but they did well. Loved the use of hand sanitizer and its prevalence everywhere. Thats more important than masks.

Overall a great trip, will be back late july.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on June 28, 2020, 04:54:23 PM
I don’t equate not staying at least six feet (arbitrary #) apart from others at all times with stealing or cutting lines, etc., since it is literally impossible to do in a theme park with thousands of people everywhere.

I think their comparison is that there will always be someone that breaks the rules or pushes them to the brink.  In this case a few that will not even try to social distance even if possible.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2020, 06:27:22 PM
I don’t equate not staying at least six feet (arbitrary #) apart from others at all times with stealing or cutting lines, etc., since it is literally impossible to do in a theme park with thousands of people everywhere.

I think their comparison is that there will always be someone that breaks the rules or pushes them to the brink.  In this case a few that will not even try to social distance even if possible.

I’ve now been to Frontier City, Alabama Adventure, The Park at OWA, Six Flags over Georgia, Six Flags St. Louis, Silver Dollar City and Worlds of Fun this season.  Every single park had guests who refused to adhere to social distancing.  These guests, with a few outliers, were all from one particular group.  I’m hoping that this was a coincidence but the parks I visited represent a decent sampling of different areas. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Preachin_Bill on June 28, 2020, 10:18:27 PM
I don’t equate not staying at least six feet (arbitrary #) apart from others at all times with stealing or cutting lines, etc., since it is literally impossible to do in a theme park with thousands of people everywhere.

I think their comparison is that there will always be someone that breaks the rules or pushes them to the brink.  In this case a few that will not even try to social distance even if possible.

I’ve now been to Frontier City, Alabama Adventure, The Park at OWA, Six Flags over Georgia, Six Flags St. Louis, Silver Dollar City and Worlds of Fun this season.  Every single park had guests who refused to adhere to social distancing.  These guests, with a few outliers, were all from one particular group.  I’m hoping that this was a coincidence but the parks I visited represent a decent sampling of different areas.
Ok, you obviously know we’re going to ask for what group you’re talking about so I’ll do the honors.  8)

What group?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on June 28, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
I don’t equate not staying at least six feet (arbitrary #) apart from others at all times with stealing or cutting lines, etc., since it is literally impossible to do in a theme park with thousands of people everywhere.

I think their comparison is that there will always be someone that breaks the rules or pushes them to the brink.  In this case a few that will not even try to social distance even if possible.

I’ve now been to Frontier City, Alabama Adventure, The Park at OWA, Six Flags over Georgia, Six Flags St. Louis, Silver Dollar City and Worlds of Fun this season.  Every single park had guests who refused to adhere to social distancing.  These guests, with a few outliers, were all from one particular group.  I’m hoping that this was a coincidence but the parks I visited represent a decent sampling of different areas.
Ok, you obviously know we’re going to ask for what group you’re talking about so I’ll do the honors.  8)

What group?

Those that appear to be in a lower tax bracket / come from a lower socioeconomic level. 
What? Were you expecting a different answer?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: SDCisHome on June 29, 2020, 02:46:20 PM
I made my second trip of the season to the City on Saturday (June 27), was recently there on June 20. The park seemed to have more people in it, but not sure if that's accurate or if it just felt that way. Not sure if they up'd capacity or if more people just chose to go that day.

Regardless, I still had a great time. I rode everything, except TNT. The one train ops and long line deterred me from riding. The shorter, much faster line at TT, was more enticing! Powder Keg had one train again, which is just terrible! The Barn Swing had both arms going, but only loaded one side of each. You could get a decent view of MRF if you looked just right. I really think MRF is going to exceed a lot of people's expectations. My biggest takeaway was the poor ops on WF. There was zero organization getting people into each "car" line and everyone just crowded at the entry point to go to a row. One train doesn't help with speed, but they really needing an extra person to help with line organization.

Brad Thomas was hanging out by the Dockside Theatre and the new Riverside Smokehouse. I think it's great to see someone like him hanging out in the park on a Saturday, when I'm sure he doesn't have to. He was asking guests how they liked the new BBQ. (It's pretty good and you get a lot).

All that being said, if anyone reading these is hesitant to go to the park, I'd recommend giving it a try. Getting in to the park is really efficient and easy, IMO. Wearing the mask isn't that bad. No, I'd rather not wear it, but like I said last time, if it means I have to wear a mask to visit and ride, then I'm wearing a mask. It's better than being at home!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Okiebenz on June 29, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Swoosh, I agree with that as well and it was what I observed at the City.  Well sort of.  We were actually at the City on season pass only day and I did not have that issue.  The next week we went to WW and it was not a season pass only day and had the issue.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on July 02, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
Looks like some SDC employees have now tested positive for Coronavirus.

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Silver-Dollar-City-confirms-employees-tested-positive-for-the-coronavirus-571603291.html
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on July 02, 2020, 05:14:17 PM
Looks like some SDC employees have now tested positive for Coronavirus.

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Silver-Dollar-City-confirms-employees-tested-positive-for-the-coronavirus-571603291.html

Does KY3 ever throw out other businesses that have people test positive?  Or are they just throwing SDC under the bus because of their high profile and the shock value?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 02, 2020, 06:23:02 PM
Its all over the news and social media accounts with the NW Arkansas stations too, not just KY3.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on July 02, 2020, 07:07:23 PM
KY3 has been pretty good about reporting other businesses and tracing those people to other locations.   It seems they have had a pretty good relationship over the years with SDC showing a few specials and reporting new attractions or rides.  In fact KY3 at noon said it was SDC that made the initial report to them about the positive tests of employees. 
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Pintrader on July 02, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
On the news tonight KY3 reported that 6 employees had tested positive.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2020, 02:53:58 PM
The Sons of the Silver Dollar just posted this:

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Great news, Friends. Silver Dollar City now only requires reservations on Saturdays. Come out and enjoy the new ride, Mystic River Falls, opening this weekend and then swing by for The Sons show at the Dockside Theater.

There’s plenty of room for “social distancing” and a whole lot of fun while you’re here!
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2020, 02:56:23 PM
From SDC on Facebook:

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Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on July 03, 2020, 06:28:56 PM
That good to hear.. Opened up and doing business...

any word on MF being open yet?
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
That good to hear.. Opened up and doing business...

any word on MF being open yet?

Just that spoiler from the Sons. ^^
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Swoosh on July 03, 2020, 11:20:17 PM
Am I the only one that reads that Season Passholder announcement as "Please come back, we really need you to come back"
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: History Buff on July 04, 2020, 12:08:37 AM
Am I the only one that reads that Season Passholder announcement as "Please come back, we really need you to come back"

Yeah, you're the only one.

Not really:  it's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: sanddunerider on July 04, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
Today,  July 4th,  4400 people were at the city..
Title: Re: Going back to SDC
Post by: Obviousdramatic on July 05, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
There is just something about wearing a face mask in Missouri Armpit Summer that does not ring "Making memories worth repeating!"