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Title: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 16, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
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Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 16, 2019, 05:32:23 PM
We are still a little far out from 2021, but the whispers are getting louder that FITH will be torn out at the end of the 2020 season and will be completely demolished to make way for a brand new version.  Of course things change over time but definitely something to keep an eye and ear on
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 16, 2019, 06:56:59 PM
The rumors sure have been flying lately. But I guess it makes sense. We have always said it was a matter of time, and with the way things have been allowed to slowly degrade over time, it had to give way eventually. Now that they have popped the cork on ride replacements with Lost River, it makes sense to knock the others out one at a time.

FITH will be hard to see go. Even with a "new" version, we all know it won't be the same in spirit. Goodbye baldknobbers.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 16, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
FITH will be hard to see go. Even with a "new" version, we all know it won't be the same in spirit. Goodbye baldknobbers.

Thats what I fear too. It will be a watered down shell of its former self.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 16, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
FITH will be hard to see go. Even with a "new" version, we all know it won't be the same in spirit. Goodbye baldknobbers.

Thats what I fear too. It will be a watered down shell of its former self.

Blazing Fury does just fine without the Baldknobbers and itís far from being considered watered down. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 17, 2019, 09:32:23 AM
Agree, Blazing Fury isn't watered down at all...because...wait for it......


....it has no water.

Sorry, couldn't help myself on that one.  :P
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 17, 2019, 12:29:13 PM
We are still a little far out from 2021, but the whispers are getting louder that FITH will be torn out at the end of the 2020 season and will be completely demolished to make way for a brand new version.  Of course things change over time but definitely something to keep an eye and ear on

As long as it keeps the core concept and addea a drop track element at the burning bridge followered by a launch, should be a winner
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 17, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
FITH will be hard to see go. Even with a "new" version, we all know it won't be the same in spirit. Goodbye baldknobbers.

Thats what I fear too. It will be a watered down shell of its former self.

Blazing Fury does just fine without the Baldknobbers and itís far from being considered watered down.

Blazing Fury has it's own theme... which come to think of it I don't even know what it was about other than a bunch of stuff on fire. FITH tells the story of how Marmaros was terrorized by Baldknobbers. It's part of the original fabric of SDC - telling authentic ozarkan stories in fun and inventive ways. 

I don't doubt their ability to build a cool new indoor coaster with some folksy theming, but we aren't going to see anything like FITH ever again.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: JJH on January 17, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
It would be interesting if SDC would commit to making the best dark ride ever.  They have made "the best" commitment with the last few roller coasters.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure if SDC would even  be interested in keeping the Baldknobbers.  I would love it, but combining hooded vigilante characters burning a town with family fun is a bit tough in the 21st century. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Obviousdramatic on January 17, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Unpopular Opinion Time!   I actually am ok with them doing something with FitH. When I rode it last, it was rough. Nor only that, they zipped through quickly and I didn't feel I was able to actually see the scenes. I get why they zipped thorough.

Yes, seeing another piece of SDC history go is a huge bummer. But at this point it's moot. So much of "my" SDC isn't there. It is someone else's big memory in the making. Its still fun to visit.

 It will be something to see if they did replace it. Are indoor dark rides still a thing? I would hope they kept the baldknobber theme.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on January 17, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
I am for a total tear out and rebuild. If proper preventive maintenance had been practiced it would have been possible to salvage the building but the PTB started the process when they shortened the ride years ago. My hope is that they create a awesome dark ride experience in line with Seven Dwarfs at MK. With the new technology a amazing ride experience could be created. I could care less if it has any drops. Just tell a good story. Hopefully the local history and Baldknobber theme is kept.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 17, 2019, 06:11:29 PM
Dont overlook the good chance that with the all New Water Ride/attraction....  The American Plunge will probably be in line very soon for replacement...
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 17, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
More and more of the things that made it a special place are being torn out and replaced and soon it will be just another theme park
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: johnburton on January 17, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
When did they shorten it? What changed?
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 17, 2019, 07:23:49 PM
Dont overlook the good chance that with the all New Water Ride/attraction....  The American Plunge will probably be in line very soon for replacement...

Pretty confident that the order (for now) will be FITH next followed by FM. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on January 17, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
When did they shorten it? What changed?

Believe it was shortened in 1982.   The first dip (collapsing bridge) goes around to the left, and heads toward the train today.   Well before they changed it at the bottom of the first dip you would head to the right and thru a tunnel.   You would then read a sign that said "Danger track out ahead" and the track looked like it was mangled and going out over the cliff to the left.  As you came up upon the mangled track it would jerk a little toward it like you were going to follow the track over the cliff.   Then it would jerk back to the right at the last second (sparing your life) and continue down where it would hook up to the track just before the train and second dip today.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on January 17, 2019, 09:17:21 PM
I don't think SDC would change that much if they completely redo the ride from the ground up. I think they know that it's so beloved by the GP and that they wouldn't remove the Baldknobbers from the ride.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 17, 2019, 10:12:11 PM
I don't think SDC would change that much if they completely redo the ride from the ground up. I think they know that it's so beloved by the GP and that they wouldn't remove the Baldknobbers from the ride.

In this PC driven world, thereís not a chance they return. People already refer to them as Klan members.  Iím honestly surprised they are still present in the current ride. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 18, 2019, 07:34:35 AM
I hope that they keep the minimum height at 36Ē on the new version. Our son has been riding it since he was 2. Itís also the only 36Ē height coaster/bigger ride that is reliably open in cooler/wet weather.
However, Iím guessing that it will go up to at least 40Ē if itís more of a true indoor coaster.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 18, 2019, 09:38:45 AM
I hope they keep the Baldknobbers. It is the reason for the ride in the first place. I could be completely wrong, but I have to believe that there are enough level-headed people in decision-making roles at SDC to understand the value of keeping the current theme. It is such an iconic part of SDC and the SDC story.

I also hope they keep the artwork in the queue area. Those paintings are priceless as far as I'm concerned. And they HAVE to keep the Red Flanders gag!

While a lot of things have changed over the years, SDC does have a track record of maintaining some of its most iconic symbols. Most people don't realize that the Wilderness Church was completely rebuilt with new logs several years ago. They did it so seamlessly and accurately that people don't even notice. While there's a big difference between a log church and a ride, someone in the PTB recognizes the value of the City's most treasured icons. Those things are what gives SDC a soul that other theme parks don't have.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 18, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
We can only hope those level headed people are still employees.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 18, 2019, 06:42:47 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on January 19, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?

The Fire in the Hole theme relates to FL...
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on January 19, 2019, 12:30:24 PM
We can only hope those level headed people are still employees.
Good point, sure hope so.

They had better keep the Baldknobbers theme and the art from the que.
If they get rid of it, may as well not even have a Fire in the Hole or even an SDC for that matter.

Its turning out just like places like towns in Montana...people come in because of how great it is, then go anout trying as hard as they can to change it to be just like where they came from, in their case the cities of california, and in SDCs case other generic theme parks.

Hopefully this is all just a rumor, but if they do tear it out, it better be done right and with original theme, etc.
Just think about those old buildings, firemans audio outside, town and creek props...theyre about to be gone forever. Nothing lasts forever but its still sad.
If youre doin this PTB, do it right by the history of the ride and park.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?

Thats actually a great idea....build on the waterboggen land or behind the current restrooms in the back.  If FiTH's building has to go....why not?

Freeing up it's current location opens up a lot of possiblities on the side of the park too.  They could close the path back to Wilsons farm and open a new one through the FiTH area (bridge or tunnel over the RR track?).  Widen the path around the saloon and back to PK and the OH....plus have room for shops and/or some small flats.  Could really theme up the area into a more comprehensive western town?
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 19, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
Then what should replace the old FITH building?  Wow Swoosh you can get a thread going quicker than fire moving through a quaint 1880s Ozark Village  :)
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2019, 03:14:28 PM
Then what should replace the old FITH building?  Wow Swoosh you can get a thread going quicker than fire moving through a quaint 1880s Ozark Village  :)

I would personally like them build a new lobby area for the Opera House on the East side of OH.  Then you could have people wait for the shows there.  Once ďcapacityĒ for the Theatre is met they close the doors to that waiting lobby.  You could have restrooms and a small concession stand in there too. 

As far as where FITH is currently, Iíd like to move Lumbercamp over there (the concept not necessarily the theme).  Then you can remove Lumbercsmp and repurpose that area maybe even a new American Plunge
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 19, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?

The Fire in the Hole theme relates to FL...

Fires happen away from the fire station, so I'd rather keep it where it is.  They could, however, put a fireboat, in the lake to use as a shuttle from one side to the other.  The audio on the boat could be firefighters headed to Marmaros to fight the fire.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2019, 05:54:30 PM
If any of the theming from Fire In the Hole gets thrown away (ever!), I'll be dumpster diving after dark for it!!  ;D
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?

The Fire in the Hole theme relates to FL...

Fires happen away from the fire station, so I'd rather keep it where it is.  They could, however, put a fireboat, in the lake to use as a shuttle from one side to the other.  The audio on the boat could be firefighters headed to Marmaros to fight the fire.

FITH is Fire Station 2.  So itís not technically away from the fire station.  ???
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 19, 2019, 09:13:54 PM
This is absolutely based on nothing - but what if new FITH was placed over by FL?

The Fire in the Hole theme relates to FL...

Fires happen away from the fire station, so I'd rather keep it where it is.  They could, however, put a fireboat, in the lake to use as a shuttle from one side to the other.  The audio on the boat could be firefighters headed to Marmaros to fight the fire.

FITH is Fire Station 2.  So itís not technically away from the fire station.  ???

I suppose that's true, but it wouldn't have to be if it were rebuilt.  The problem could be that the department can't get to the fire in time.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2019, 11:14:01 PM
Iím visualizing a combo of Fire Chaser Express, FITH and Verbolten for the new FITH
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on January 20, 2019, 06:21:20 PM
Iím visualizing a combo of Fire Chaser Express, FITH and Verbolten for the new FITH

YES PLEASE. I finally got to go to DW on Halloween last year and rode Firechaser twice.... IT IS SO FUN! I would be VERY happy to have a version of that themed for a new FITH
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 22, 2019, 02:07:21 PM
I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't wanted it changed significantly. It's a great ride and one that people talk about no matter their age. If I was a power to be, it would still be a rebuild but these are the things I would do:

1: Update the building and bring it into code (if it's out of code now).
2. Expand the building to include an indoor queue section. It's one of the only rides that can operate in any weather, but you have to stand out in the weather to get to the ride.
3. Update the ride system so you can have longer trains and increase the capacity.
4. Keep the main story and layout, but update all the effects and scenery.
5. At the burning bridge, update with a track drop.
6. Return the broken bridge effect, but add a decent drop (precursor to finale).
7. Update the train with a realistic train effect (not just a light).
8. Update the final drop to include a slightly longer coaster section.

Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark. Also if you wanted a backwards section, instead of dropping under the train, maybe you could come to a stop right before hitting the train, then shoot backwards....

Jay
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 22, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on January 22, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!

I totally agree. Just to drop in another outdoor coaster and give it the  FITH name would be a injustice. Keep it a dark ride totally using modern technology.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 22, 2019, 03:35:55 PM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!

I totally agree. Just to drop in another outdoor coaster and give it the  FITH name would be a injustice. Keep it a dark ride totally using modern technology.

This!
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 23, 2019, 08:19:48 AM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!

I totally agree. Just to drop in another outdoor coaster and give it the  FITH name would be a injustice. Keep it a dark ride totally using modern technology.

This!

No VR and I really don't want to see 3D glasses
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on January 23, 2019, 08:20:26 AM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

Nailed it!

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!

I totally agree. Just to drop in another outdoor coaster and give it the  FITH name would be a injustice. Keep it a dark ride totally using modern technology.

This!
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 23, 2019, 08:42:01 AM
Just keep it mainly a dark ride with some coaster sections, not just another indoor roller coaster in the dark.

I agree Cowboy.
FITH is NOT an indoor roller coaster...it is a DARK RIDE with coaster elements. I truly hope that when it gets rebuilt it will not be an indoor roller coaster.

To the PTB: PLEASE DO FITH JUSTICE AND DO NOT RIP IT OF ITS SOUL!

I totally agree. Just to drop in another outdoor coaster and give it the  FITH name would be a injustice. Keep it a dark ride totally using modern technology.

This!

No VR and I really don't want to see 3D glasses

you guys are getting all worked up a project that hasnt even been announced yet.. :) 
But I am sure thay whatever they do, whenever they do it..
 
there wont be any 3D glasses invloled!!  LOL
they wont build a new coaster and name it FITH.
Will it be a Dark ride?  Maybe..

But it wont happen for what i would guess ninmum3-5 years..   lets finish the new ride first, then finish the boardwalk area,  and Riverfront Theatre

I think the AP will be the next ride we lose..   
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 23, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
^actual time table is 2 years before its demise.  AP isnít scheduled to go anywhere anytime soon

Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 23, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
Personally I'd like a dark ride and a new coaster with indoor elements seperately. If we get something along the lines of Verbolten/Firechaser, that's not really a FITH replacement per-se, though it would be cool and a good addition.

The PTB are aware of the sentiment that FITH holds. The question is where they see ROI, and as we know ROI seems to come from doing something extravagant and marketable... So I'm not holding out hope that we will see anything like FITH return when it inevitably goes. It will be the end of one era and the beginning of another.

Then again, they could surprise us with an awesome Sally dark ride that tells the story of Marmaros in a fun and highly thematic way. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on January 24, 2019, 12:29:08 PM
My one warning here is don't everyone jump all over this rumor too quickly.  All it is at this point is a rumor, with no verification of it.  For now I'm putting this in the same place as their scrapping Echo Hollow and building a completely new amphitheater over near the homestead, and scrapping the whole entrance area and building a new one. 

yes, we would all like something done with FiTH, for it to be refurbished/ restored, just like Flooded Mine.  But that doesn't mean that it's in the radar of the park at the moment.

Fine to dream a bit, but some seem to be taking this like it's going to happen and in the works, and that isn't necessarily so.  They may be looking at something, may be brainstorming and tossing around ideas, or they may not care in the least, which seems to have been much of pattern with it the last few years.  :-)
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 21, 2019, 02:24:11 AM
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Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2019, 07:54:36 AM
Starting to hear a lot more rumblings that the FITH rumor might actually have some traction.  Now there are about 5 different rumors out there right now, but the loudest is that current FITH will be open during 2020 season while new FITH is being built in FL for s 2021 opening.  Sounded like it would go in the Shad parking lot behind current FL. 

Again RUMOR but multiple sources this time so who knows.  Weíll keep an ear out for more. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 21, 2019, 10:19:51 AM
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Starting to hear a lot more rumblings that the FITH rumor might actually have some traction.  Now there are about 5 different rumors out there right now, but the loudest is that current FITH will be open during 2020 season while new FITH is being built in FL for s 2021 opening.  Sounded like it would go in the Shad parking lot behind current FL. 

Again RUMOR but multiple sources this time so who knows.  Weíll keep an ear out for more.

Sad thought that SDC scraps the original FITH while Dollywood keeps and refurbishes theirs?  Very sad.
Knotts and other parks have reinvested in the older dark rides but SDC seems as if they want to find a reason to eliminate theirs. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 21, 2019, 11:58:09 AM
If Dollywood can operate both FireChaser Express and Blazing Fury.....why can't SDC do the same with a new coaster in FL and a refurbishment of FITH.

The new coaster in FL could have some of the more modern elements we've discussed and then FITH could just be fixed up as is. Of course, that is if FITH is capable of remaining and not too far gone.....

Jay
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2019, 01:53:02 PM
Pretty sure the building is too far gone to be saved. 
You have to remember that Blazing Fury is much younger than FITH
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 21, 2019, 03:40:27 PM
Pretty sure the building is too far gone to be saved. 
You have to remember that Blazing Fury is much younger than FITH

The building is in bad shape. you can see daylight through the walls in several places.  You know it has been patched "alot" through the years.
Title: Re: SDC’s 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 21, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
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Pretty sure the building is too far gone to be saved. 
You have to remember that Blazing Fury is much younger than FITH

6 years should not make the difference with a cinder block structure on a slab.    I dont not believe that SDC is as interested in saving its past as we are.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 21, 2019, 04:52:39 PM
Starting to hear a lot more rumblings that the FITH rumor might actually have some traction.  Now there are about 5 different rumors out there right now, but the loudest is that current FITH will be open during 2020 season while new FITH is being built in FL for s 2021 opening.  Sounded like it would go in the Shad parking lot behind current FL. 

Again RUMOR but multiple sources this time so who knows.  Weíll keep an ear out for more.

That would properly place with like themed attractions. We know know they don't mind going with a new version of a similar ride with the new raft ride.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
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Pretty sure the building is too far gone to be saved. 
You have to remember that Blazing Fury is much younger than FITH

6 years should not make the difference with a cinder block structure on a slab.    I dont not believe that SDC is as interested in saving its past as we are.

The cinder block outer walls are just one aspect of the building.  Sometimes you have to cut your losses and start new.  While I am sad that the original is rumored to go, Iím also realistic in admitting it hasnít been the FITH from my childhood in at least a decade or more.  The new version will more than likely have much newer technology and will probably have more intricate scenes instead of repurposed clothing store mannequins.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on April 21, 2019, 08:08:32 PM
OK, but something would have to go in the old location if FitH is relocated.  Another dark ride in a new building?  Something along the lines of one of the concepts presented in the recent DW survey?
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 21, 2019, 08:47:49 PM
OK, but something would have to go in the old location if FitH is relocated.  Another dark ride in a new building?  Something along the lines of one of the concepts presented in the recent DW survey?

Any kind of ride could go into the area. 

they could also build a new Building for shows and events..   Maybe something to replace Riverfront when it comes out..
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2019, 09:17:55 PM
OK, but something would have to go in the old location if FitH is relocated.  Another dark ride in a new building?  Something along the lines of one of the concepts presented in the recent DW survey?

Well... thereís been rumblings about that too, and honestly a lot of you wonít like that either, so letís just focus on one thing at a time.  No need to work yourselves up until we see some real movement. 

With that being said, many on here didnít believe theyíd rip out LR even though we talked about that possibility being pretty strong about two years before that project started.   So, who knows...
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 21, 2019, 09:30:27 PM
With all the talk with the FITH demo and possible remake, while I still cringe at the idea of losing this classic as I have known it, it would be cool if they did do something like this for the final drop on the remake that yells Fiiiiiiirrrrre In Theeee Hoooole! along with other pyrotechnic effects thru the ride. https://youtu.be/89flDfgcQr8?t=140
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on August 01, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
Yes, Resurrecting a almost dead thread. But just curious if there has been any more rumors about the relocation/replacement of FITH in 2021?  I have not found anything. Everything seems to be focused on the new water ride to replace LROTO.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 01, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
Nothing concrete.  2022 is supposedly a new attraction (not a replacement) then 23 or 24 is FITH replacement.  I guess weíll see. Something needs to be done soon
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on August 01, 2019, 11:41:05 PM
I finally got to ride FITH today and based on that, I'd say they need to accelerate their timetable. The condition of the ride was truly deplorable, and felt like a marked comedown even from last season. Still a lot of missing audio, new train whistle and "FITH!" for some reason (why?), and a ton of visible deterioration.

If you'd have told me ten years ago that Dollywood would put some TLC into Blazing Fury and SDC had let FITH rot, I would have never believed you or thought you'd gotten the parks confused somehow. I just don't understand the thought/rationale behind allowing the ride to even get to this point, what was once and I had thought to be still a signature ride.

I would have hoped for a Knott's style refurb, but alas, it seems like that's unlikely. Hopefully they'll do a fantastic reimagined version, but right now I have my doubts. And until this visit I hadn't really ever doubted the park before.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 02, 2019, 01:40:32 AM
-There's a bad jolt on Thunderation in the tunnel after the helix. It's very pronounced and painful now.

^Off the wall curiosity to everyone here, regarding your comment about ThuNderaTion in the other thread, how would people feel if that was the next thing to be on the chopping block? While it is not a true SDC classic like FITH or FM it is still a fan favorite and a great mid-level non-inverting coaster that is family friendly and it was the parks first true big rollercoaster. It is also reviewed by many coaster enthusiasts as the one of the best mine train coasters of its kind in the world. I haven't considered it but with Arrow being gone the way of the dinosaurs and S&S being bought out, (who themselves bought Arrow's assets) it makes me wonder how much longer we will have it with us. Spoke to some ride attendants and they were concerned about its future as they apparently have to custom fabricate parts for the ride nowadays.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 02, 2019, 09:28:13 AM
I finally got to ride FITH today and based on that, I'd say they need to accelerate their timetable. The condition of the ride was truly deplorable, and felt like a marked comedown even from last season. Still a lot of missing audio, new train whistle and "FITH!" for some reason (why?), and a ton of visible deterioration.

Lol, what? There are a couple things deteriorating on FITH, but mainly on the outside building. The ride is about the same as ever. Some of the audio comes and goes with the seasons. Some years they blast the soundtrack, other years they have had cricket sounds or other music. This year I thought I heard the theme song in one of the tunnels, but not as pronounced as it used to be. The train sound is indeed new - not sure what happened to the old one. As for the "FITH!", that is a signature part of the ride! That's the only audio I get upset about if it's missing.

I feel like sometimes people forget that FITH is an old ride, and it hasn't changed that much. What people think is "falling apart" was normal back when it was new. The scenes have always been campy, the track has always been bumpy, and it's always going to be musty inside. The real problem with the ride is that they are maintaining the building itself. There's a huge hole near the start of the ride that has been growing for the past several seasons. I'm sure when the lights are on you can see all the water damage...

sdcfan88, there's no way Thunderation goes on the chopping block anytime soon considering FM and FITH are apparently on the chopping block. I'm not sure what special parts they are fabricating, since there are plenty of mine trains left around and S&S still makes all the parts for Arrow. They do need to fix the bump in the tunnel for sure though.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 02, 2019, 10:17:37 AM
-There's a bad jolt on Thunderation in the tunnel after the helix. It's very pronounced and painful now.

^Off the wall curiosity to everyone here, regarding your comment about ThuNderaTion in the other thread, how would people feel if that was the next thing to be on the chopping block? While it is not a true SDC classic like FITH or FM it is still a fan favorite and a great mid-level non-inverting coaster that is family friendly and it was the parks first true big rollercoaster. It is also reviewed by many coaster enthusiasts as the one of the best mine train coasters of its kind in the world. I haven't considered it but with Arrow being gone the way of the dinosaurs and S&S being bought out, (who themselves bought Arrow's assets) it makes me wonder how much longer we will have it with us. Spoke to some ride attendants and they were concerned about its future as they apparently have to custom fabricate parts for the ride nowadays.

If they wanted to, they could have Chance/Morgan do replacement track pieces as they have the same gauge
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on August 03, 2019, 11:40:48 PM
Lol, what? There are a couple things deteriorating on FITH, but mainly on the outside building. The ride is about the same as ever. Some of the audio comes and goes with the seasons. Some years they blast the soundtrack, other years they have had cricket sounds or other music.
I feel like sometimes people forget that FITH is an old ride, and it hasn't changed that much. What people think is "falling apart" was normal back when it was new. The scenes have always been campy, the track has always been bumpy, and it's always going to be musty inside. The real problem with the ride is that they are maintaining the building itself. There's a huge hole near the start of the ride that has been growing for the past several seasons. I'm sure when the lights are on you can see all the water damage...

I'm by no means an expert, but these are some things that I noticed (perceived?) during my rides:
-Lack of ambient music (particularly the second scene)
-Transfer track area between 1st and 2nd scene seemed larger and is covered by a curtain that I do not remember being as large or as obvious as it is now.
-Water shooting over riders not working (this one is understandable given the condition of the building IMO)
-Lack of bridge-out sound effect
-replacement of original fire effects with smaller, weaker-looking (IMO) flames

Along with the already noted deterioration of the building.

Some of those might be subjective, or might lack the nuance of people able to go several times a year, but my point is this: I've been riding FITH on and off for 14 years. I perceive a decline, and I don't think I'm the only one feeling that way. Yes, the building's in terrible condition, but I wouldn't say that's the only place a decline is happening. I don't think this is simply "well, the ride's just old" anymore. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2019, 11:53:36 PM
People always complain about things not working, but no one seems to mention upgrades. Like the lighting.  Yeah, itís all been redone for this season. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on August 04, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
I am really not sure what you mean.  I rode it several times this weekend and they have all of the sounds and effects working.  The train whistle sounds like a new recording as does fire in the hole at the end. I assumed the originals were too far gone and they had to redo them.

I finally got to ride FITH today and based on that, I'd say they need to accelerate their timetable. The condition of the ride was truly deplorable, and felt like a marked comedown even from last season. Still a lot of missing audio, new train whistle and "FITH!" for some reason (why?), and a ton of visible deterioration.

If you'd have told me ten years ago that Dollywood would put some TLC into Blazing Fury and SDC had let FITH rot, I would have never believed you or thought you'd gotten the parks confused somehow. I just don't understand the thought/rationale behind allowing the ride to even get to this point, what was once and I had thought to be still a signature ride.

I would have hoped for a Knott's style refurb, but alas, it seems like that's unlikely. Hopefully they'll do a fantastic reimagined version, but right now I have my doubts. And until this visit I hadn't really ever doubted the park before.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC-BMW on August 04, 2019, 08:50:49 PM
Agree with above. Rode it yesterday and we were all quite pleased. Everything worked and sounded nice. One of the rides that everyone that gets off of seems super happy. Laughter and smiles every time since Iíve been riding, 1976.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on August 12, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
If they ever need to re-record the "Red Flanders" audio, my family and I would like to audition. We always shout it along with the recorded audio when we ride. We get a lot of funny looks from newbies.  :D

Seriously though, you all know my thoughts on this ride. I hope and pray that the folks in charge recognize the value of vintage rides, particularly FITH and FM. There is definitely a place and demand for these rides.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2019, 10:56:04 PM
Iíd just be happy if all of theme songs would return.
Fire in the Hole
Flooded Mine
Powder Keg
ThuNderaTion
etc
Title: Re: SDC’s 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on August 15, 2019, 12:33:49 AM
I hope and pray that the folks in charge recognize the value of vintage rides, particularly FITH and FM. There is definitely a place and demand for these rides.

FM hasn't been "vintage" since they added the guns.

Yes, I'm that kind of curmudgeon.

I'm also not impressed by the new float ride. I'd rather have Jim Owens' Float Trip and Rube Dugan back.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on August 15, 2019, 08:30:03 AM
I don't disagree with your choices, KBCraig (it's hard to find someone who wants the originality more than I do--I consider ALL the roller coasters aberrations!), but I am realist enough to know that the new ride will attract quite a few.

Still, I especially support any effort to keep FM (sans the shootout, if possible).  I want the rockfall back  8)

But I have and will continue to make my voice heard concerning its survival, even in its shootout form.  Along with the train and the stagecoach, FM defined SDC for me.  We've lost the stagecoach.  If we lose FM, I will feel like someone ran over my puppy.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 15, 2019, 02:27:05 PM
Been on the fence about posting this and I hope I don't get in trouble, but I will come out and say while chatting with some of the SDC staff, (particularly people in charge of construction and development at the park) but Swoosh was correct as they did come out and say to me that they were indeed looking at a demo and/or rebuild of FITH. Problem is they aren't sure whether they want to go forward with spending the money on it after some of their latest financial projections were put out as the project could easily cost more than both TT and MRF combined. This would be the parks most expensive project to date.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on August 15, 2019, 02:45:05 PM
Been on the fence about posting this and I hope I don't get in trouble, but I will come out and say while chatting with some of the SDC staff, (particularly people in charge of construction and development at the park) but Swoosh was correct as they did come out and say to me that they were indeed looking at a demo and/or rebuild of FITH. Problem is they aren't sure whether they want to go forward with spending the money on it after some of their latest financial projections were put out as the project could easily cost more than both TT and MRF combined. This would be the parks most expensive project to date.


Wouldn't that be in the 52 million dollar range ? Really hard for me to believe that number.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 15, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
If they were to do the old ride justice then yes. They really could do some interesting things with modern tech. The concrete work also costs a lot of money apparently. Its partially why some of the theming elements that were allegedly supposed to be for Time Travelers ride course were cut and why we aren't seeing MRF load station enclosed inside a fake rock structure like LR was.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 15, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
Been on the fence about posting this and I hope I don't get in trouble, but I will come out and say while chatting with some of the SDC staff, (particularly people in charge of construction and development at the park) but Swoosh was correct as they did come out and say to me that they were indeed looking at a demo and/or rebuild of FITH. Problem is they aren't sure whether they want to go forward with spending the money on it after some of their latest financial projections were put out as the project could easily cost more than both TT and MRF combined. This would be the parks most expensive project to date.

Well?  first of all the demo cost...  then keep in mind IF it is indeed a dark ride as "we" suspect it will be...  YOu have to build a bigass building,  AND then you put a New Coaster, with all the new stuff in/on it,  add some Special effects screens for effect.....  Priced at todays cost..  I can see the number for a large attraction..   thats a lot of 0's :o :o


Wouldn't that be in the 52 million dollar range ? Really hard for me to believe that number.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 15, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
FYI I think the 2020 thread got broken. I see someone posted but I can't seem to load the latest page.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 15, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
FYI I think the 2020 thread got broken. I see someone posted but I can't seem to load the latest page.

I tried to manipulate it, but it didn't work.  I went at it from a previous page and forwarded to the last page.  I can see it that way, but the last page still does not allow me to add a reply.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime on July 30, 2020, 12:36:25 PM
With MRF officially open and an unprecedented time in history, time to start speculating about the next major project for SDC. Not intended to be a poll by any means, below are just several of the possibilities that have surfaced or been thrown around ad nauseam for some time.

- Classic refurb to AP or FITH?
- Off year with classic demo (FM) to make way for a new attraction in 2022?
- Off year for attraction development with major park entrance overhaul?
- Family style coaster like DW's Firechaser Express or Dragonflier?
- B&M Winged Coaster?
- Hypercoaster?
- Emphasis on strengthening show and craftsmen offerings?
- Other?

Can't help but be anxious and curious about SDC's next move. What are everyone's thoughts as it stands? Let's discuss. 
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 30, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
Absolutely nothing.  And donít be surprised if the next big addition comes in 2024 or later
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on July 31, 2020, 08:19:53 AM
Absolutely nothing.  And donít be surprised if the next big addition comes in 2024 or later

For sure agree with you on this one...

with the massive loss revenue this year from the "plandemic",
it will take a couple of years to recoup and regroup to even consider the next addition,
and that is assuming it goes away or gets better and doesnt have to be dealt with next year.

It is in the plans already, they know what they are going to do, just lost at least 2 years if not 3 before anything "big" happens.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2020, 08:44:07 AM
I would guess that next year nothing happens, but in 2022 either FITH or FM closes (or is already closed at the end of 2021) and gets torn down. They will have to keep moving on replacing the classics one way or another. Time is running out for them, and we know they don't want to reinvest to keep them going. By 2023 we'll have the next big thing.

Unless the economy really does crap the bed and can't get back up. In which case who knows what will happen...
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on July 31, 2020, 11:15:53 AM
At this point I don't see a major project at SDC for a few years.  Long term plans have probably been put on the back burner with priority being on the short term.  Attendance numbers are probably running 50% or less (probably less) than last year's.  With attendance cap in place and covid-19 running rampant doesn't give much hope of things improving the remainder of the year.

I am not sure what their basis would be to tear down either FITH or FM without a firm plan to rebuild soon after.  I would think the logical thing to do would be keep these classics open until you have something definitive to go forward with.   They replaced the Waterboggan with Riverblast , Lost River with MRF and GG with FL so that seems to be their plan of replacement.

Yes I guess time might be running out for these classics with all the speculation and rumors I hear, but they are still 2 of the most loved rides in the park.  Budget these rides a few hundred thousand out of that 60 or 70 million spent on the last 2 major projects.  Now to me that is ROI!
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 31, 2020, 09:30:26 PM
I would be absolutely thrilled if they would just FIX THE THUNDERATION BUMPS!
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime on August 03, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
I wasn't really focused on the when as much as the what. I think we're all in agreement that COVID has thrown a wrench into the park's master plan, I was just curious what everyone's thoughts were about what will be addressed next when things return to "normal".

I still anticipate a major surge in consumer spending once the dust settles and concern eases around this entire mess. Obviously and unfortunately, many families have been adversely affected with job loss and illness, but I'm optimistic things will rebound quickly and HFEC won't have "suffered" too much.

One way or another, I would bet the farm that the complexion of this pandemic looks dramatically different come the first week of November. But I digress. We certainly have the time, so why not re-open the speculation vault on what could be ahead for SDC?
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on August 05, 2020, 02:05:49 PM
I hope Iím wrong, but Iím starting to think we are going to be in a pandemic mitigation situation for another year maybe longer. With that in mind, I could see them making some front entrance remodels this office season. Something with a focus of helping guest flow while pandemic precautions are in effect but also streamlining flow for a post pandemic world where they hopefully return to crowd levels they had before the pandemic.

But like the rest of yíall I donít expect anything big for 2-3 years minimum. I think their next big ride would be a coaster, those seem to have the biggest effect on attendance. Iíd still love to see some more indoor everyone can ride options but in light of covid I think they will need/want something that really brings in crowds and new visitors.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on August 06, 2020, 12:49:47 PM
It still amazes me that people think this all goes away in November... Does no one else pay attention to what is happening in hundreds of other countries that DON'T have an election in November?

But I digress... They have needed to address the park entrance for years. The large crowds of the last few years have stressed what is already a clusterF@&!.

Things that need done IMO:

Move the cart/stroller rental BEFORE the ticket gates and perhaps have a separate entrance gate just for carts. They could also use this as an overflow entrance gate when crowds are large. Families with strollers or carts are generally going to move much slower than the gen pop and giving a separate entrance for them to "get up to speed" would be nicer I would think

Widen the area considerably

Have someone moving people along. People walk just past the ticket gate and stop. Some to get their party together. Some because they are clueless. And a bunch more because the stroller and cart rental bleed into the already narrow walkway.

Move the Branson Belle ticketing somewhere else.

a nice to have would be a self service ticket scanner with possible facial recognition - you place your ticket on the scanner, smile for the camera and a gate opens and you are in. much faster (in theory) to passing your pass to a person and them having to orient it to the gun and then checking ID (for season pass holders).


Pretty much I think everything could be made better by just moving the stroller and cart rental and the Branson Belle ticketing booth. But the other things would be nice.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on August 06, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
I would love to have the option of using the app on my phone as my ticket and not have to carry around the paper version.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on August 06, 2020, 07:12:09 PM
I like the idea of the ticket on the phone, however I would not be going anymore if they went with some sort of facial recognition deal.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on August 07, 2020, 08:30:16 AM
Okie... Because they want to prevent fraud is why they check the ID for season pass... without some sort of facial recognition or just a camera alone, I don't see them doing any automated system.

And they take your picture throughout the park on rides or whatever... don't see how one more picture is a big deal.

While I hate the intrusion of it all, I am used to it with airports and customs. Heathrow airport does a complete facial scan when you enter the country. You put your passport on the machine and it takes a picture. It is the same way with US customs... While annoying, it is what it is
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on August 07, 2020, 02:00:36 PM
Yes to phone ticket. I would be happy to do facial recognition or biometric finger scan. My picture is taken probably dozens of times per day at stoplights, stores, attractions. At least I would know this one was being taken.  A lot could be done to speed up the entry process.
Title: Re: SDCís 2021 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on August 07, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
I think if you buy regular tickets they already email you a barcode that you can scan from your phone. I assume the hold up for season passes is the concern of misuse but I have to wonder if this is any less secure than people using fake ID's etc.