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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendance numbers
« on: May 01, 2018, 06:02:56 PM »
Opening weekend for Bluegrass and BBQ + Cox Saturday + Supposed to be a perfect weather weekend, so the unprepared public will be there.....  All that  =  A very busy Saturday.   

Will be an easy 15-20,000 people in attendence I am sure, Could easily go over that..

It's also when ACE is having their conference at the park. They couldn't have picked a worse Saturday for it.  If I were coming in for it and paying the money they are and found this out, personally I'd be a bit ticked about it.

20k is going to be the low number for Saturday.  Cox Saturdays usually float in the 23-24k range when the weather is decent.  It's going to be an ugly madhouse.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Blacksmiths
« on: April 30, 2018, 09:33:00 AM »
I went to the festival of wonder and they only had one blacksmith and he was only demonstrating A few times a day. He said the other smith was gone. Anybody know whats going on?  Are they short handed or is this the new reality I have to live in?

Yes, they are short handed right now.  I've been told that they are looking to hire at least one more blacksmith.  Because they're short they have the demonstrations scheduled.  But I also wouldn't be terribly surprised to see that become the new norm as well.  Rather than 3 smiths on the payroll, if they go with schedules they can get away with only 2 and use it as a way to save money.  Or they may do that because finding a good blacksmith may also be very difficult today.  I hope that's not the route they go with, but I wouldn't be surprised.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendence number....
« on: April 19, 2018, 07:57:20 PM »

I have always wondered this. From what I was told some time ago, they base it on historical trends for the day. Not really related to weather. And that is how they get burned in my opinion.
I do not know how far ahead they schedule workers, but it seems like using a historical attendance without taking into account so many other factors is what most of the problems are.

Employees want their schedules ahead of time. Well ahead of time.  The goal is to have employee schedules done at least a week ahead, and oftentimes 2.  That's only fair to the workers so they can plan instead of having to wait until the last minute to know if they are going to work or not.

Unfortunately that doesn't work in conjunction with weather forecasts, which will often change, and may be unknown until 3 or 4 days ahead of time.  I don't know anyone who wants to be finding out if they work or not 2-3 days in advance, but if you're trying to make schedules based on weather reports, that is what you would end up doing.

While basing it on past attendance isn't perfect, it does at least show trends for festivals and times of year, along with events, and until someone learns how to see in to the future, I'm not aware of a better way to figure out what it might look like except to see what it was like averaged out in the past.  But it does mean "missing" sometimes, one way or the other.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendence number....
« on: April 19, 2018, 07:52:10 PM »
Anybody know what a normal attendance total would be for a weekday during WorldFest/Festival of Wonder?  I have absolutely no idea, so there's really nothing for me to compare with the 4,000 through the gate on Wednesday number. It doesn't sound too bad for a Wednesday in April, but maybe SDC is hoping for better numbers this year.

4000 people is a light crowd.  To help translate that, it will mean that most rides are short to no waits, the train might run half full on almost all runs, and the shows won't be anywhere near capacity.  A more "proper" weekday crowd that would actually be closer to meeting their budgets would be around 7000 to 8000 during the week.
Being below 4000 means there is a good chance they are losing money on that day.

Busier times of year you should see 9-10,000 on weekdays.  Weekends shouldn't be below 12,000, and on a summer Saturday should be over 15,000.  Busy days will have 18,000, and the Christmas crowds you're looking around 20,000.  The busiest days the park has had are going to be in the 24,000 people range.  When the park is over 19,000, well, those are days you don't want to be there with the long lines for everything and it feeling on the packed side.

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Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: April 16, 2018, 01:23:04 PM »
I honestly think they need to do a second queue for photos only or post better signage directing people to get photos or not instead of implying its "forced". Most of the queue space in the building in its current format is wasted and they could otherwise actually make smart use of it with some simple modifications.

I would agree with that.  I don't like how it's set up.  To much like how they used to try to force people at the train (thankfully that's gone now).  It's one of the vestiges of the old Kodak/ Digiphoto management.  From what I understand the park has taken over the photo business now, but it's going to take some time for them to realize that this system and setup really doesn't net them anywhere near as much as it would to have a separate optional photo spot at the gift shop.  Especially when it's countered by the impression it leaves, which often isn't a good one.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: April 16, 2018, 01:20:25 PM »
Wait.  You honestly think the issues with the sensors are temperature related?
No.  Sorry thatís not accurate at all.  Even the General Public is smart enough to realize that the trains should not be coming in sideways.

Reading comprehension much?  :-)

I'll make it simple for you Swoosh, and keep the sentences short.

All new coasters have issues and bugs to work out.
TT is a new coaster.
Therefore it has issues and bugs to work out.

When a new coaster has issues, it usually takes a couple months to work them all out
TT has been running less than a month
Cold and weather has reduced that operating time even more.
Therefore TT hasn't had near enough time to work out all of it's issues and bugs.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: April 15, 2018, 07:09:12 PM »
A few things I'd like to slightly (maybe more) disagree with.

The photo op on the way in is not a forced photo op.  It is in the line, but they aren't forcing people to take photos and I haven't had any issues with them letting us skip it.  They've been very very polite and friendly about it.  A notable change from the way they were in the past.  (oh, and with the new $60 unlimited photo downloads in a year they are now offering, I won't be skipping it anymore either)

Second, the ride is not a lemon.  it is not the ride's fault when you are choosing to be there on a day that it never gets out of the low 40's temperature wise, and unfortunately that's been true more weekends than not.  And most of opening week as well.

There have been some issues.  All new coasters have them, and especially new models.  Have we forgotten how much downtime Outlaw Run had when it opened, and problems?  A lot.  But no one is calling it a lemon.  And weather has played a major role in them not having an opportunity to sort out some of the small glitches that new rides have.  hard to do when you can't run it because it's to cold to operate.

Out of 4 visits to the park already this year, today was the first day I didn't see it running.  And I didn't expect it to run when the high today was only supposed to be a degree above it's shut down operating temperature.  the other days it ran consistently the whole time I was there.  (well, except for media day, but that's because it was being delayed by cameras and filming, not operations or bugs)

It's normal to take 2-4 months to work all of those little things out of a coaster.  For years now I've strongly recommended people to not plan a trip around one new coaster within the first month or two of it's operating life. Far to great a chance it won't be going for various tuning up issues, and TT is no exception to that rule.  (And for the record I've seen an experienced that with ShieKra at BGT, Manta at Sea World, Outlaw Run here, even Scream at SFMM had a rough first month, and multiple other coasters over the years as well.)

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: 2018 Trip Reports
« on: April 15, 2018, 06:59:07 PM »
We were out there this afternoon with the almost non-existant crowds.  Made it easy to take a nice slow pace around the park from show to show.

We enjoyed the Earth Harp collective show. Sat third row in the center, can't get much better than that.  My wife and daughter in particular love the music, but my son was blown away by their rendition of Skyfall, one of his favorite songs.  Only 2 gripes with the show- they didn't have any of the music they performed in the show available on CD, and they don't have a credit card reader available for the CD's.

While my wife and others poked around the blacksmith I wanted over to the cave entrance and the homestead to give my condolences on the passing of Uncle Gene this morning (if you don't know him, he read stories with the pickers at Christmas and greeted at the Cave desk for years).  While at the Homestead talking with them, the Pickers were rehearsing for the entry ceremony.  It is coming back, but instead of prerecorded music the Pickers are going to be playing live and there will be a mix of people singing- at least on days that the Pickers are there.  I think that will be a nice change and add a little spontaneity to it as well.

We then headed down to the Cirque show.  Terrible name on it (CirqueUnique) but a great show.  Very impressive performances.  It was a bit hard on the "clown" in particular with the small crowd, but they did a great job and we thoroughly enjoyed it.

I'm going to make it a point to get back at least one more weekday in the next couple of weeks to see the other shows.

It was cold, but far from unbearable.  I think the few flakes that fell this morning really kept people away.  And most of the rides weren't open because of it.  But for us it turned out to be a wonderfully pleasant day.

Oh, season pass holders take note- they have a new deal available on teh photos this year!  They are selling an "Unlimited Digital Photo Card" for $60.  Similar to Disney's photopass, you can get every single photo that they take of you in the park all year long for that one price.  Most photographers you'll have to get the slip of paper and add the photos onto your card at the end of the day. Ride photos can add them on at their photo spot.  And you'll need to actually download them within 30 days of having them taken.  But for that price, that's an awesome deal!  For someone like me who's generally avoided the park photographers in the past (long story, but it's new management/ ownership of the photos in the park), but that's enough to get me to stop and get photos taken for sure.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendence number....
« on: April 15, 2018, 06:48:24 PM »
Figured it was low like that.  Haven't seen numbers that low in a long time.  As a guest, it was wonderful, though a lot was closed due to the cold.  No big deal.  For the shows it mean center seating near the front with awesome views.  And the shows I did see the performers did great, even with the small crowds.

This time of year the weather being so hit or miss can easily play havok, and it looks like it's doing it again this year.  I remember one year during World Fest when I worked there (might have been 2012 or 2013) we didn't have a decent weather weekend the whole month.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: 2018 Trip Reports
« on: April 14, 2018, 04:03:13 PM »
I overheard a couple of employees talking about the flag ceremony.  They were discussing how upset some guests are over the changes.  It now starts about 10 min. before opening with the flag already up.  They've dropped the veterans recognition and flag raising. It's a simple "say the pledge and sing the song".  Hubs and I both noticed the flag up when we entered and thought we had missed it (weren't paying attention to the time), right before we heard the employees talking.  One mentioned she hoped they would bring it back in May. 

They did something like that last year as well at the beginning of the season, though I thought by the time the "Festival of Wonder" started they had gone back to the regular ceremony.  Hopefully they're just taking longer this year to go back to the normal one.

Do they have any of the "citizens" actually leading the opening?  They had Terry and Mandy doing it for the short time before they had the Hatfields and McCoys come back and do it again.  But it also seems like every year there are fewer Hatfields and McCoys than there was the year before.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendence number....
« on: April 12, 2018, 03:20:01 PM »
Wonít be near as pleasant today. Many bus loads of kids out front. Hordes of kids everywhere.
It's also their cheap tickets day, so that brings in more people.  Combined with perfect weather...

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Festival of Wonder
« on: April 10, 2018, 07:48:28 PM »
We will be out there Sunday afternoon for the Cares for Kids special day.

Construction/Rumors / Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
« on: April 08, 2018, 04:23:14 PM »
So after some of you have had a chance to ride and reflect.  What is the consensus of the TT?  Is it more of a family ride, or an extreme ride, or just a cool roller coaster?

I wouldn't call it "extreme," but it is a bit more than just a family ride as well.  Little ones can't ride, and I saw some who were just a bit above the height limits find it very scary (but then the one family I saw that way started the poor kid with that as her very first roller coaster ever.  Don't do that).

I would say that it's a very cool roller coaster, with enough thrill to keep it fun and exciting, but nothing extremely frightening or scary.

General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Attendence number....
« on: April 07, 2018, 10:01:08 PM »

With this being Young Christians Weekend, no way to find out how many people going are affiliated with the groups... or just going//

The bad thing is the kids will be going nuts with the rides closed and cooler temps.... ::) ::)

That was why I didn't end up going.  I initially forgot it was Young Christians Weekend, but happy I remembered before I left.  And with all the rides closed because of the temps- not a place I would want to be...

I'll be out there next Sunday afternoon for a little bit at least.

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