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I was just at the park on Sunday and you can see some support structure above the fences and a bit of the track, but I think most of the pictures that have been posted are better than what can be seen within the park. Most of the track that has been completed is in the lower sections behind the waterfall, etc. It should be more exciting to see when they start going up the lifts and some of the bigger elements.

With it being right in the middle of that area and behind the waterfall - I was impressed with how "hidden" it will be. Once the foliage grows back in place I'm not sure you'll be able to see it rise up behind the waterfall, but then again, the upper levels of track have not been installed.

Jay

With the announcement of the Miners Mountain Express....which is a replacement ride for Thunderation, does it seem like SDC has really become dormant since 2018? Everything that the park has done since 2018 has been a replacement ride for something they already had. 2020 was Mystic River Falls, 2024 Fire in the Hole, 2027 MME....The park has done some transformations on the west side after the fire, and they also connected fireman's landing to the Grand Exposition, but it seems like the park over the last 10 years has just been a big maintenance (replacement) program.

I'm just wondering if this trend continues until the whole park is touched, or will they branch out to something unique sometime soon? 

Jay

With that being said, a work whistle sounding every time a train dispatches would be cool

Yes!

I don't know, maybe if it was a little work whistle it would be cool. The Silver Bullet at Frontier City had an air horn that was blown at every dispatch, and it got old pretty quick.

Jay

I'm confused on where it says they are part of the announcement? From what I read it is basically asking the Mini Miner's Crew to send in their ideas in video format for future rides, food, etc. - SDC doesn't want adult ideas, they want to hear the imaginations of the younger fans of SDC.

Jay

EPR properties already have a few parks that are ran by Six Flags - Frontier City, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor (OK), SF Darian Lake, Hurricane Harbor Splashtown, Hurricane Harbor Phoenix, and Hurricane Harbor Concord. I wonder how the contracts are written for the management of these parks? Do you think in the future Enchanted will also run these SF parks?

I also wonder if the EPR properties that are run by Premier (Magic Springs, Rapids Water Park FL, Ocean Breeze Waterpark, Calypso Theme Waterpark, Wild Waves, Pacific Park, City Museum) will also be ran by Enchanted Parks in the future?

Jay

So now we know that Thunderation was the next to go...

So do you think they will completely demolish the ride, or completely refurbish the ride - Maybe add a backwards section (like Fire Chaser Express)? They have a great investment on infrastructure that could be utilized for an updated version - full demolition of that ride would be very expensive and considering how many pieces of old rides that are still at the park, it would be out of character for them to expend that kind of money considering the tower for the toboggan and FITH is still standing.

Jay

Went to the park on Dec. 22nd. weather was perfect - and crowd was insane to match the beautiful weather. The park was packed even before rope drop. We did some shopping on the square and found some cool items, we knew what to expect so we had a great day. I can't say that for everyone though - some people needed some additional Christmas spirit to get them through the day. All citizens I encountered though were very pleasant but looked extremely worn. Kudos to them for keeping moving as well as they did.

I'm not a theme park manager and could only imagine the stress they have to be under when the park is as crowded as it is. I'm not going to criticize anything because we adjusted and skipped a few things but wondered if there could be a few changes that might make it better?

1. Update the SCD mobile app so that the latest changes are reflected in the app. We were looking for some food items that were no longer available during the Christmas season because the menus change...but the apps still had them listed.
2. Have the cool Christmas food available when the food stands open. Several stands opened but the festive food wouldn't be ready until an hour later.
3. The lines were crazy (we didn't come to ride so that didn't matter to us) - but no way would I wait 210 minutes for anything in the park. Could they do as some places do where you get a time to come back and enter the line? - same for the train. That train line was so long - we didn't even try.
4. Ice - not sure how SDC runs out of ice, but it happened? Not sure what they could have done here but summer seems to go just fine.
5. Employees looks beat. The poor lady in the walking taco stand was trying to throw those out as fast as possible - but she deserved some help. Same with the potato bowl guy. I figure it's just like everywhere else with lack of available staff but hopefully these employees are getting something for their efforts.

Anyway, we had a great time like always - we got there early, grandkids rode some rides early then we did the other stuff (face paint, candles, permanent jewelry, etc.), watched the parade, looked at lights...Left the park around 7:45.

Jay

Looking at the google map the clearing around Outlaw Run and the backstage areas is much more impressive. Any thoughts about this area?

I guess I let my pessimism control my excitement for announcements that only have a day or two notice. Usually when it's a big announcement they hype it up for a bit leading up to the announcement day. I wouldn't be surprised if the final announcement isn't something similar to what was generated, but hoping for nothing themed to a meadow, or holler, or discovery, or...

Jay

The plaza looks so temporary and just thrown together. Hopefully this is phase 1 and things get better.

Jay

Swoosh, why so many trees cleared out from around Outlaw run? Is this project that massive or that part of a different maintenance project?

Jay

I might be clowning here a bit, but I'm thinking we might see something really big to make people want to stay at the resort and spend extra money for exclusive ride time? Or just a really big attraction to help advertise SDC, the resort, and the coaster beyond our local area? SFOT is opening a 300+ foot coaster in 2026 - so could SDC do something just as big?

Jay

Oh my, Swoosh, send me all the hints, laugh at my posts, I don't care. The board at least is having some movement now. We all know Swoosh has some inside information - but I know working for parks and others - that information can change at a moment's notice. Heck Taylor Swift drops hints in posts, pictures, etc. all the time without saying anything...that's one of the reasons my daughter is obsessed because she's always trying to figure out something before the announcement. So, Swoosh drop all the hints you can, dangle those carrots, let's have fun with this...

Jay

There's a lot of little things adding up that I'd like for them to "fix"...Thunderation being a big one; open the closed restaurants, shops, etc.; and make sure everything is "working" properly. Give the park a good "clean" of things not used, broken, etc.

They could replace or add some family rides in the Grand Expo that would give it some new life (in addition to a refresh). A Nebulaz (https://www.zamperla.com/product/nebulaz) and/or Octopus (https://www.zamperla.com/type/octopus) could fit and be themed for the area. Definitely not on their 2025 list, but maybe an update they could do on another "down year".

In years when SDC doesn't add a big new ride, it's always fun to go just to see what all they have accomplished. Looking forward to 2025.

Jay

I think this first announcement was to highlight what was going to change in the park for next year so they can begin the season pass sales. Seems like a typical year after a big ride introduction "FITH" with the new festivals, food, etc.

I'm thinking the announcement on the 17th will let us know what's coming in a few years in the future...so probably more like 2026 and beyond. We have to give them a little time to get something built.

Swoosh probably knows best (I think he's a musical director at a high school) but regarding the copywrite or performance of songs, basically you just have to contact the rights holder for the work and make arrangements for the use, sometimes it's a one-time fee, or a usage fee, or just permission...and trying and failing to contact the rights holder is not a substitution for permission. So stay with songs in the public domain or be prepared to pay something...especially if you are profiting from the performance.

Jay