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I am gonna take a wild guess since they are redoing the pathway/bridge heading to WF and got rid of a bunch of trees that they removed the waterfall feature and leveled the surrounding area.You mean the one behind Lumbercamp?? I sure hope that they didn't remove the waterfall feature, that was one of my favorite places to just relax and listen to.
No Corkscrew Pass isn’t getting replaced this year (though it sounds like it’s been earmarked for the following)
I won’t comment on aesthetics of the new bridge, but we’ll say that the new one is concreteThe spiral rock bridge??
That’s not the only new bridge for this year
I’m one of the few who agrees with BOTH sides. The Pumpkin Nights is clearly the reason why people are coming. It’s new, it’s fresh, and who doesn’t like pumpkins? However, the cowboys is what gave SDC it’s charm. Everything about SDC has that “SDC charm” I like to call it (think of the pavement smell) whether they’re old or new. The pumpkins have that SDC charm (albeit the music doesn’t help at all). They’re shaped like the crafters there. I love the new addition, but will also miss the ones lost.Nope, Harvest Crafts and Pumpkin Nights = winner.
Harvest Crafts and lame cowboys = old, and stale.
Tread Lightly there RJW.
You might find out there are others (including me) on this forum that doesnt agree with that statement.
I believe someone nailed it. We are on the patron side of SDC becoming a corporation without the ability to roll their sleeves up and truly connect how they used to do. It’s a numbers game, even if they turn it into a mass produced commercialized affair with an old western town hidden underneath, and it delivers the almighty dollar thru attendance numbers and fattens wallets in a corporate office, it’s gotta be great. I truly believe they could bring in the 130+ crafters and do both events but suits see it differently.Okay, but this is their first year doing the Craft DAYS and Pumpkin NIGHTS, as someone else said. That’s the reason why they pushed you out at 5:45. If you think that they’re going to do 130+ crafters for this during the first year of Pumpkin Nights, then I want whatever drug you have to make you think that. They’re not going to overload the day session if the night session is new and what they’re trying to push. There are things they still need to iron out.
I guess our days of SDC may be coming to and end if that’s the case. We’ll take our memories and spend our dollars elsewhere.
We couldn’t figure out why we didn’t see much demonstrations or interactions yesterday. We’re wondering if it’s exhaustion or something behind the scenes with management. Lye soap was ran by a kid sitting on his cell phone all day looking down at his screen, blacksmith wasn’t working, pork rind guy had no samples and wouldn’t make flavored pork rinds, flour mill pushed a line of 30 away announcing they wouldn’t make any more cinnamon bread, stores pushing us out at 5:45 to close their doors.
But there comes a time where preservation isn’t possible anymore. They’ve tried their hardest to preserve FiTH, but yet you can only do so much. Same thing with FM. The cost eventually outweighs the voices, where they have to stop preserving and start new. They may preserve it and try to update it at the same time, but then we have people shouting “Not my FiTH/FM!” “Not my festivals!” They definitely haven’t forgotten your demographic at all, as willow said, this year was all about your voice with festivals. But like I said, there comes a point where the cost has to outweigh the voices, as much as it upsets people.But as long as they are adding some things you like. And still keeping others that you do, then it seems they are still covering you pretty well.
Sir Willow, you're one of the last people I wish to dispute, but the core of the problem is right here. The plans to get rid of things that we enjoy--like FM--EVEN IF they replace them with substitutes means that they would not be covering us well.
As I said above, this is my problem (and that of those who are like-minded): I get that. But I believe that this is the place to raise these issues, is it not? Among a chorus of voices calling for new this and new that, I feel a responsibility to raise my own voice in a call for preservation.
My point was--and remains--that not everyone goes for the rides. There are people who don't want the rides, and we are a population who also spend $$$ at SDC. Make enough changes, and you will alienate us. The city *may* bring in enough new blood to compensate, but it might not, either. Besides, we don't need another 6F or WoF in the area.I’m pretty sure that the higher ups recognize this majority of people, which is why they haven’t removed or renovate any of the current craft areas. And even though they are brining new rides to make SDC stand out and bring in new guests, they still keep that “city” feel. Especially down by TT. I’m not really sure how adding more rides will turn it into a “Six Flags” Or “Worlds of Fun”, though.
Just to illustrate the problems they have to take into account, my family represents a minority but viable population that has no interest whatever in coasters at all and every interest in maintaining the classics. That's not just my wife and I but also our two sons. We go to the city for the shows, the music, the train and FM as well as the ambiance and the crafts.The thing is that it is really hard to attract both sides, especially with the classics and everything that came with them are deteriorating. You can only patch something up so many times until it becomes a mess. This is why I love the new additions, they add something new and they’re able to completely fix and replace the current infrastructure. They’ve been doing a damn good job at it, too. I’m all for keeping the classics, I love FiTH and FM, but you can only patch them up so many times before stepping back and saying “we need to start from new.”
The PTB have a real problem trying to attract the chittlins of the world and still hang on to the palallins.
Just get your band geeks to tighen up that figure 8 for the first half time performance everyone goes to the bathroom during except the proud band geek parents.And what is wrong with these “band geeks?”
