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PLEASE, I BEG OF THEM, PLEEEAAASSSEEEEE keep the AMAZING theme that White Water has had for the last about 12 years!!! This is one of my absolute FAVORITE water parks because of the AMAZING theme, they have the BEST Lazy River EVER BUILT, and possibly the best cabanas!!!

I haven't been back in a while, but I always wished it could be expanded and have individual changing stalls like Hurricane Harbor OKC has, where it is basically just alot of fitting rooms. This way, you're not accidentally exposing yourself to other guys (or girls) who are also in the same room. And no, nobody should have to use a shower or toilet stall to do that. I also wish they had more free cabanas so you can have more free shade without trying to use a tree for shade.

I hope this is what WW will be like once it is relocated.

I wonder why SDC has never done any real acknowledgement of Ozark wildlife. Dollywood does quite a bit.

Now that I think about it, I agree. Why is it nothing more than farm animals and a dog mascot? Why no falcons or other animals???

I am still sticking with what I have said before and I will die on that hill.

I think next construction to come will be as follows. This makes the most sense to me and will offer the best thrills. In no particular order:

New entrance with a new, wider layout as you walk in and exit. This will help traffic flow on high traffic days.

New train depot where old FITH was.

Relocate WW.

Tear down Flooded Mine, the current train depot, the old Waterboggan Tower, Pottery shop, possibly Riverfront Playhouse, possibly Frisco Barn, and possibly Carousel Barn for the Ice House (our version of Mystery Mine).

New, very long out and back coaster going around OR and near PK that will include drop tracks, forward/ reverse sections, and immense theming. Very similar to Hagrid's, but more spread out.

Tear down TNT for the new Bat themed Vekoma Suspended coaster, which will be mostly a compact coaster.

Possibly, hopefully, a new Flooded Mine, but no clue where it would go just yet.

I would also LOVE a new Mack Water Coaster (wink, wink).

I am disappointed.

I am slightly happy how the ride looks, has 2 chain lifts, the landscaping, water, the fact that it will go thru the top of the station like thunderhead does, that it will interact with AP, the tunnel, the fact that it is a compact coaster, and has some Airtime moments that I can see.

Unfortunately, I am also disappointed by what it is. The airtime moments don't look strong enough to me compared to what Ozark Wildcat had, I don't see many airtime moments, I expected it to go around PK, cross the tracks, go behind OR, turn around, go into a show builing, go in reverse, drop track, have 3 chain lifts, and come back. The fact that they had the chance to theme this as another one of Doc Harris's new inventions because it is directly across the road, yet they didn't, is also another MAJOR disappointment! I expected something that would finally give Hagrid's Motorbike Adventure a run for it's money! Instead, we just get the newer version of Hiccup's Wing Gliders.... 🙄😒

Shave, THIS is why everyone is upset and disappointed. We expected one thing, yet we get less!

So now, my question is: Why is all that land cleared, why was it not used for this coaster, and what is it planned to be used for???

How about a suspended launch?  Is that a thing?  Could it be a thing?  SDC doesn't have a suspended coaster in the collection.

Themed to bats flying out of the cave/mine?

I am almost positive this will be coming at some point eventually. Just don't know when. I've always pictured it being where TNT currently stands.

I really want this to be like Big Grizzly, which is basically a newer version of Expedition Everest. Those coasters look so incredible and unique! They look like something SDC would do.

Gotta say, the walls being formed around the footers inbetween WF and PK are interesting. Looks like water channels, or maybe a structure like the caves that have been mentioned? (I'm not sure where this is in regards to the station so it may just be that)

Sounds more and more like a ride package everyday.

They just recently posted the holiday shows on the app and online. I know they just bought a new fir tree for this year and I'm hoping it won't be animated at all, which it was over the last few years. Anyway, the problem is that they haven't posted anything about the Tree lighting/ Main Street lighting show, usually called Joy on Town Square. I don't know if they will post it later or not, but thinking about not having this show scares me. I really can't imagine not having this show ever. Thoughts?

Based off of what has been happening so far, pictures, what needs to be done, and what I can see, this looks to be a Ride Package. 2 rides for the price of 1. Both of these rides are going to interact with each other. 1 ride, we know mostly what it is. The other looks like we are finally getting our version of Chiapas, a Forwards/ Backwards Flume Ride. I say this because American Plunge needs to be rebuilt, we have been waiting on this rumor, and now it suddenly closes down for construction. The plans seem to be coming to surface. They might add in a flat ride too, but it's still too early to tell.

Other than our version of Chiapas, I have been wanting a coaster that can give me the big pops of airtime over and over again for years now! Ever since Celebration City closed down, actually. For me, Wildcat did that. Now, I have realized that GCI isn't the only manufacturer that can do that. I REALLY hope this coaster includes at least 3 bunny hops in a row and goes like 50 MPH over them!

A note to some of you as well: Remember, the new train station is going to be built at the site of the old Fire In The Hole, probably after this construction is done. Then, our version of Mystery Mine should start on the current site of Flooded Mine/ old Waterboggan Tower. Yes, I know we do need a shooting ride/ another indoor ride. I don't know where that will be or if that is in the plans, but I am hoping and praying for a Sally Dark Ride, because they are always highly themed, they have great guns, and usually have Black Lights, which I love.

I was extremely torn between BuzzSaw Falls and WaterWorks Waterboggan because I really miss both. I also miss Huck Finn's Hideaway and while I do wish it would come back, I want the other 2 more. I also kinda miss Splash Harbor, Tom Sawyer's Landing, Lost River of the Ozarks, and Geyser Gulch. FireHouse Play Place just isn't as good as Geyser Gulch was.

There are a lot of people in the area, and they have good access due to the turnpike, but I still say that without a major IP or something to draw people, it's just a random big theme park with a generic americana theme in the middle of nowhere.

Their main hope of creating a draw is simply building enough themselves to get big, but I still don't see where the $2 billion is going to come from...

Are we already forgetting how SDC came about and put Branson on the map??? Nobody would have started any show in Branson if SDC wasn't here because shows alone don't draw people in.

This park is just outside Vinita, 45 minutes from Tulsa, on Route 66, next to the I-44 Turnpike, and West of Grand Lake. That is NOT the "middle of nowhere"! Route 66 attracts thousands to millions of people every year from all around the globe and brings in more tourists than anything else in Oklahoma.

As they have said, the company already has the money.

Plus, like History Buff said, everyone is tired of Disney and their Woke ideology. We need more companies who are against the woke regime and the creators of this park have already said that they are extremely anti-woke.

There is absolutely no way this park won't thrive because of all these factors!

Thank you, Cowboy (not sarcasm)! I'm glad to see I'm not alone here. More and more everyday, I see those types of posts and it REALLY pisses me off! I don't understand how googling something is so hard to do. People litterally go on Fakebook to ask these questions. If you can get on FB, you can definately Google something because getting on FB is actually harder to do.

During An Old Time Christmas:

Crowds are the lightest on the first week. Crowds get bigger every week. I hear that the crowds get light again after Christmas. Remember, the crowds are also the lightest Sunday thru Thursday, followed by Friday, and Saturdays are always the busiest days of the week. This last crowd rule applies all year round.

If you want more info on crowd levels, crowd predictions, and other stuff, I recommend using www.queue-times.com.

The Frisco Silver Dollar Line turns into the Frisco Sing Along Steam Train. Lights are added along the tracks and the train robbery is replaced with Grandpa telling his story. Because of this, the hours have to be changed. On Saturdays, the train does it's first ride at either 2 PM or 3 PM. All other days, the train does it's first ride at 4 PM. The station opens 30 minutes before the first ride. The test run starts 45 to 75 minutes before the first ride. This is when they pull out the poles to make a long line. Overflow follows the train tracks toward Midtown. They will start the second train by 6 PM, unless the crowds are super light. If they start another and don't get enough riders, they will put one away by 8 PM.

Certain other rides may go into An Old Time Christmas mode too. Outdoor coasters are different and are twice as good in the pitch black darkness. If you thought your favorite ride couldn't get any better....THINK AGAIN!!!

Dickens' A Christmas Carol gets a long line immediately after chain drop. It is always in Opera House. Whatever show is in Red Gold Heritage Hall also gets a long line after chain drop, but not as long or as quick as Opera House. I don't know which show will be in there this year because of how they had to change shows recently.

Tinker's Toy Factory is in Boatworks Theater. Living Nativity should be in Riverfront Playhouse, if not Dockside.

The parade is twice every night along the snowflake path. It starts in Red Gold, goes straight up Valley Road, across Main Street, down Hugo's Hill Street, and ending behind Opera House.

The tree lighting is on Main Street. It is more than just the tree. It is ALL OF MAIN STREET!!! The buildings, all the trees, lights overhead. EVERYTHING! It starts everyday at 5:30 PM and continues playing every 15 minutes until close. Either the first Saturday or everyday during the first week, this time is pushed back to 6 PM or 6:30 PM because the sun does not set early enough yet.

Christmas in Midtown is lights all over midtown, tunnels, lights that slowly turn, etc.

All water rides and water fountains are closed and turned off. All water bottle filling stations are either removed or turned off. Even the old ones that used to stay on because they are built into the rocks are turned off, if you can find any left... If you see Mystic River Falls still running the first 2 weeks, it is NOT open! It may take it a while to turn off, otherwise they just want to work the bugs out and repair it in time for next year. You will have to ask a concession stand for free water.

Themed food and drinks are sold around the park, especially on Main Street.

Discounted Season Passes for SDC and White Water next year are probably going to be sold in the Midtown Guest Relations. This is also where you pick up your ornaments, if you visited 5 different festivals.

Santa will be hanging out probably in Carousel Barn.

Certain other areas will also be closed, but most of these have to do with water rides or some type of a "long route". Echo Hollow will also be closed, so no shows will be there.

There will be family photo ops. One includes a gingerbread man family in front of Riverblast.

Rides start closing at 40°F. At 32°F, most rides will be closed. If it rains very little, these temps will be increased on some rides. I'm not sure if the list is still online. All other weather guidelines still apply too.

The weather gets colder, the closer it gets to New Years. That means more closed rides.

Park hours are Noon to 10 PM every Saturday and Black Friday. All other days are 1PM to 9 PM. Thanksgiving is 4 PM to 9 PM (maybe 10 PM). Closed Christmas, Christmas Eve, and New Years Eve. December 30 is the LAST DAY! First day is the first Saturday in November.

The turnstiles open earlier than 1 hour before chain drop. Can't remember how early, though.

I think we are at 6 Million lights now, across the park.

Plus other themed sound effects, decorations, etc all around the park.

Although I would LOVE to say one last goodbye to the remaining stuff, I already have plans at a different park that I am hoping will fill the void in me that has existed since this park was taken from me. I was probably the park's biggest fan, but oh well...

Whoever goes, PLEASE take thousands and thousands of pictures for us! Also, if you can, please try to take pictures of the 2 garden areas. The biggest one was the Circus Tree Garden across from the mini golf building. The other was along the stream of water (or creek) just Southwest of the current church building (old Celebration City theater) and under a weeping willow tree. These were my 2 FAVORITE spots from any Amusement/Theme park ever built because of how beautiful they are. Still trying to find something even half as nice as those were.

Any individually wrapped, snack foods you can find. We compare store prices and buy the cheapest stuff we can find from different categories, based on price per ounces.

We bring Lance Cream Cheese & Chives crackers, Lance Peanut Butter crackers, Lance Lemon Creme crackers, Austin Cheddar Cheese crackers, Great Value Protein Chewy Granola Bars (we go with any flavor that has nuts and chocolate), Fruit & Grain Blueberry, J.R. Dippers Cheese Dips and Breadsticks (or the Pretzel version), raisins, and Fun Size Snickers.

You can also buy canned pop and put in a zippered lunch bag inside your backpack, if you want. We don't do this anymore since the park has added Water Bottle Filling Stations around the park. We just bring our empty mugs to fill instead. Water is better for walking around a medium sized park like this anyway.