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Title: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 16, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
 Hey Everyone!
I wanted to pass on my project for the Gentry Public Library in Gentry, Arkansas. Gentry is about 20 miles slighty southwest of Bentonville, Ark. I am currently building (materials, not brick by brick) the "Quantrill Special Collections Research" in an effort to inform and educate the northwest Arkansas area about the border wars of Kansas-Missouri and the Indian Territory of west Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. There are MANY ties to Quantrill, the KS-MO. war, Kansas and Missouri Union units and many of the Missouri Confederate units under JO Shelby and Upton Hays buried throughout the nw Ark. area!
I am looking for any, all and everything you could contribute to this project. I am needing books, papers, stories, eyewitness accounts, lists, documents, pictures, military reports, magazines, and anything else you can think of! This is a legitimate project that can be found at www.quantrillsguerrillas.com and you can scroll down to find under IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. I have seen some of you are Civil War enthusiasts and would be most grateful for any help I can get. Please contact me if you think you can help! Thanks!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 16, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
Nice to have you aboard, Richard.  I must admit, I am more of an armchair history buff, picking up bits and pieces from family vacations, books, and documentaries.  I know little about the border wars, but have learned a bit from visiting Ft. Scott, Pea Ridge, the Carthage battlefield, and Wilson's Creek.  I must say, I was surprised with the information we received at the Frontier Trails museum in Independence - more on the covered wagon ride than inside the museum.  The tie-ins with George Caleb Bingham's house were very interesting.  We also learned recently of some ties to an area here in Joplin.  This was reported in our newspaper.  I said all that to give you this link to the Joplin Globe article from November 11 of last year:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/joplin_metro/x546218682/-img-src-http-www-joplinglobeonline-com-images-zope-extra-gif-border-0-Dedication-to-highlight-plans-for-memorial-to-Civil-War-casualties-font-color-ff0000-w-video-font?start:int=0 (http://www.joplinglobe.com/joplin_metro/x546218682/-img-src-http-www-joplinglobeonline-com-images-zope-extra-gif-border-0-Dedication-to-highlight-plans-for-memorial-to-Civil-War-casualties-font-color-ff0000-w-video-font?start:int=0)
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The video on this page was interesting to me.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 16, 2010, 05:23:51 PM
Thanks for the article, HB! I will have to go to a better computer to play the video, but I liked the article. I am trying to bring a balance to the border wars. Not all of Quantrill's men were brutal. Some that were at the Lawrence, Kansas raid were actually appalled at the behavior of some of their fellow guerrillas!
Plus the fact that the Kansas Union units, such as Charles Jennison's 7th Kansas (also know as Jennison's Jayhawkers" were quite a brutal bunch as well. Several Kansas Union units were pretty cut throat and ruthless. The 6th Kansas, 15th Kansas and anyone under James Lane pulled some dasterdly deeds! I want people to re-analyze and re-study the subject and make their own opinions are more of the facts that are out there! I am hoping some people can kick in for this. I live in Independence, Mo (Quantrill central) and have been egtting help from some history friends here.There are about fifteen of Quantrill's men buried just around the corner from me.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 16, 2010, 10:34:01 PM
I do the same for the Civil War in general with my fourth graders.  They have to know the war was about more than just slavery, that slavery itself is a deeply-rooted and complex issue that wasn't the easiest thing to solve after 400 years, and that all Northerners were not good guys.  That complexity is what grabs their attention and makes them think - and fourth graders can think for themselves if given the chance.  It's fascinating and sad that our founding fathers were working on the issue of slavery and could not, even then, figure out how to end it.  Even Lincoln did not intend to end it altogether - just wanted to keep it from spreading into the territories.  Anyway, seeing both sides of an issue is sometimes difficult, but it's important that both sides be brought to the table for serious consideration.

Enlighten me on the Border Wars, though:  were those guys fighting over the issue of slavery, territory, wild oats, or what?  What were they really fighting about?
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 16, 2010, 11:15:31 PM
Glad to see this line of discussion. I am an armchair historian of Ozarks history myself. I have a library of hundreds of books, magazine and newspaper articles about the region. Some stuff on the Civil War and Outlaws of the region. I encourage you to attend living history weekends at some of the battlefields. Pea Ridge has excellent programs, usually two times a year. Get involved with the reinactor groups, and you will find a deep trough of knowlege among them. Prairie Grove State Park in Arkansas, too. Perhaps I can thumb through my books and provide a list of titles here you might want to try and find.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 16, 2010, 11:20:22 PM
Oh, by the way Andy...I'm over in Pea Ridge myself! Glad to have a Gentry, AR fellow here at SDCFans. One of the long time contributors, BetaMike, is from Benton County, too, although he lives in Florida now. I think he told me he was from around Gentry, or Siloam Springs, or Sulpher Springs...I'd have to check back on some other threads and see.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 16, 2010, 11:34:31 PM
I didn't mention Prairie Grove.  We were just at Pea Ridge a couple of weeks ago and I got a great shot of my six-year-old daughter, looking pensive as she looks over the battlefield.  She's entirely interested in all things history (much to her mother's chagrin), and way too empathetic for someone her age.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 16, 2010, 11:38:02 PM
I think I am somewhat the resident archivist for many, many different things around here. It happens that I have not failed anyone on this front either!

I teach a large unit on The Border Wars, which includes bushwackers (my personal favorites), border ruffians, jayhawkers, Bleeding Kansas, John Brown (and his subsequent raid) . I have a decent amount of info. on Bloody Bill Anderson since I live fairly close to Danville MO, where he raided and burned much of the town on Oct 14, 1864. I have photos of the surviving plantation with burnt floor from his raid along with the accounts of the night. As you might know, Anderson participated in Quantrill's raid (he was a lieutenant for him-and in 1864 assumed general command).

Send me an email, and we can talk more about what I have if you'd like. What follows are books I checked out in my search for Bloody Bill....Much also pertains to Quantrill also.

Books helpful for me as a history teacher pertaining to this topic:
Cavaliers of the brush: Quantrill and his men By Michael E. Banasik
Quantrill's war: the life and times of William Clarke Quantrill, 1837-1865 By Duane Schultz
Quantrill and the Border Wars By William Elsey Connelley
The Devil Knows How to Ride: The True Story of William Clarke Quantril and HIs Confederate Raiders By Edward E. Leslie
Bloody Bill Anderson Books
Wildwood Boys: A Novel By James Carlos Blake
Bloody Bill Anderson: the short, savage life of a Civil War guerrilla By Albert E. Castel, Thomas Goodrich
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 16, 2010, 11:42:14 PM
Serious question for you experts:  Why is Pitt State's mascot the gorillas?  Was this, perchance, a conscious play on words - guerillas/gorillas - since PSU is just across the state line?
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 16, 2010, 11:52:25 PM
Their website states that in 1920, a group of young men dissatisfied with the state of school spirit organized themselves as the Gorillas in order to accelerate college spirit and enthusiasm until it shall permeate the state.  A Gorillas (a 1920s slang term for roughnecks) sponsored pep rallies, freshman hazing, special trains to athletic events, mock burials and weddings, and nightshirt stampedes through downtown Pittsburg. Their membership quickly grew in just a few years.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 16, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
If only it were true - I like my made up history better than what their website says.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 16, 2010, 11:59:47 PM
Thanks Rube! I would love to email you and see what you have to donate! I dont know how to do it though since you dont have one posted. Can you write my email and I can get back to you or give me a way to contact you?!

Thanks to you and everyone that has seemed to take an interest in this! My ultimate goal....make the Gentry Library the "Quantrill headquarters" of nw Arkansas! The ties to Shelby, Sidney Jackman, John Coffee, Upton Hays, Hiram Bledsoe and Quantrill himself are strong in Benton County, Arkansas!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 17, 2010, 12:08:42 AM
 Well, History Buff....the border wars was a battle of farmers, farmer's sons and young men that had had enough of the Kansas Union units terrorizing Missouri. Kansas Senator, James Lane and his "Lane's Brigade" hit Osceola, Missouri and pretty much wiped it off of the map. When Quantrill hit Lawrence, the guerrillas were crying "Remember Osceola!"

Also, Jennison's Jayhawkers had no reserve about kicking elderly people whom they thought were related to guerrillas or were southern smypathizers out into the snow on a bitterly cold night in a heavy snow and setting fire to their home! There is even one story of an old woman who was done this way and, as she watched her house burn, she broke down and sobbed. The soldiers yanked her hands down from her face and cussed her out basically repremanding her and telling her that she brought it on herself!

Some of Quantrill's men went overboard and did some horrific things. But a majority of them fought as the Kansans did and fought the good fight.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 17, 2010, 11:53:57 AM
Wow...shades of "The Outlaw Josie Wales," Batman!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 17, 2010, 11:59:06 AM
I believe "Josey Wales" was loosely based from a Quantrill man. I just cant remember which one! Very loosely based I should say. There are no...I do repeat...NO historically accurate films on Quantrill or Jesse James. The films regarding Quantrill, like "Kansas Raiders" with Audie Murphy and "American Outlaws" with Colin Ferrell were WAAAAAYYYY off. I guess "Assassination of Jesse James" with Brad Pitt wasn't too bad. But pretty much all of the others were not even in the parking lot much less the ballpark!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 17, 2010, 12:00:03 PM
In the Outlaw Josey Wales, Clint Eastwood's character is visited by a band that was based loosely on "Bloody" Bill Anderson and his bushwackers (of which both Frank and Jesse James were a part of at one time or another)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 17, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
Hmmm.. I think it's the other way around. I thought Josey was visited by Kansas Redlegs and he joined up with "Anderson's" band.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 17, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
It has honestly been a few years, I could have it wrong, I believed it was correct...let me see...

Redlegs attack his home, kill his family THEN
He signs up with Bushwackers in Anderson's gang...No Jesse James is ever seen right?

As far as a visit I guess I made that up!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 17, 2010, 12:21:06 PM
Yeah, Jesse is never mentioned even though he did ride with Anderson in 64'. Jesse was at the Centralia and Fayette battles.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 17, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
I have just found out that another book has arrived at the Gentry Public Library (Ark.) for my Quantrill project!  ;D :D :o

This is aiming to be the biggest, baddest, most informative and educational collection for miles around Benton County, Ark.!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: KBCraig on June 17, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
I do the same for the Civil War in general with my fourth graders.  They have to know the war was about more than just slavery, that slavery itself is a deeply-rooted and complex issue that wasn't the easiest thing to solve after 400 years, and that all Northerners were not good guys.  That complexity is what grabs their attention and makes them think - and fourth graders can think for themselves if given the chance.  It's fascinating and sad that our founding fathers were working on the issue of slavery and could not, even then, figure out how to end it.  Even Lincoln did not intend to end it altogether - just wanted to keep it from spreading into the territories.  Anyway, seeing both sides of an issue is sometimes difficult, but it's important that both sides be brought to the table for serious consideration.

Please keep teaching both sides. I'm saddened that Lincoln has been so lionized and credited with motives he didn't have, and for actions he didn't take.

The very nature of "The United States" was changed so drastically by the war and its outcome, that it's legitimate to question whether Lincoln truly saved the union, or changed it into something else entirely.

Don't forget to teach that West Virginia isn't a legitimate state.  ;)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 17, 2010, 11:29:19 PM
Not to bring the conversation away from its original intent, but even the bald knobbers have been vilified through the lens of history.  Intentions were good at the onset, but got way out of hand.  Going vigilante is not always the best idea out there, but this was originally a group of guys who wanted law and order in a place law and order was scarce, so they decided to do something about it.  Too bad it got out of control.  Perhaps there were good intentions on both sides of the Border Wars as well; maybe there were good intentions on both ends of the Civil War.  That doesn't mean good intentions are always right intention, though.  These things get complicated and it's hard to get a grasp on all the intricacies - and that's why history is fascinating.  All the little puzzle pieces that fit many different ways, and yet they only yield one truth.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 18, 2010, 10:21:31 AM
I am not teaching much or leaning to Quantrill, although I see their side through wider eyes than I used to. There are some great Quantrill and border war historians here in Independence and they have brought the Quantrill side to light. Quantrill was always seen as a bloodthirsty, cold blooded, steely eyed killer and that wasn't the case. He paroled Union soldiers he captured and saved people in different situations. He wasn't any worse than James Lane, Charles Jennison and the Kansas Redlegs/Jayhawkers. But, my view of this collection is to let people read, study and research and let them make up their own minds based on the evidence and "newer" facts that have surfaced.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 18, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
Good for you Andy, True history can not be biased in any way. My sole role, at my school is to give my students the tools to see both sides of every story, conflict, philosophical movement etc. My students MUST leave all preconceptions about history at the door. History Channel  , former texts, everything adds to my kids ideas about what they believe "really" happened. Everything from Columbus (my assignment is Hero or Crook-and they must research them man and his actions, they usually end up siding with crook!) to Lincoln is in a way slanted to have these American heroes in a light that makes them bigger and better than any other explorer, or abolitionist. -Lincoln is often misunderstood by my kids, he was not per se. AGAINST or to abolish slavery though he was not pro-slavery either, he stated:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 18, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
I had always heard the preconceived notions about Quantrill and never learned the real facts until I became a historian for a cemetery in Kansas City (I am not there now though). I started asking people to bring in stories or facts about the people buried there and that's how I started on the whole Quantrill subject. I went into it knowing everything I had already heard and knew I needed to open up to the Confederate side of things. Once I heard that, it brought balance to the subject.

Quantrill got lumped in with men like Bill Anderson and Archie Clement who went way above and beyond their duty! There were also UNION soldiers that went way above and beyond too!

Here's something you might find really interesting....John W. Reid, who beat the legendary abolitionist, John Brown at the Battle of Osawatomie, Kansas, is buried at Elmwood Cemetery in Kansas City, Mo. Reid was a Confederate during the Civil War and was under Sterling Price. He led small relatively unknown loosely termed guerrilla bands too. Now....he was also a big time contributor and leader in Kansas City's days of the late 18 and early 19 hundreds. He was a businessman and philanthropist. Reid is written about in many local history books about KC and Jackson County, Missouri. There is virtually NOTHING about his time against Brown or leading any type of guerrilla bands. BUT....you look in Kansas history books and he pops up all over regarding John Brown and being a Confederate. Seems to be all in the way it is written and....who wrote it!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 26, 2010, 07:56:22 PM
Hello everyone! I just wanted to plug my "Quantrill Special Collections Research" project for the Gentry Public Library in Gentry, Arkansas again! I promise I wont make this my advertising place, but I need all the help I can get on this drive. I beg for any help I can get to make this a wonderfully educational special collections collection for this library and to build it into something educationally formidable! Everything I am looking for in the way of donations is on the very first post of this thread!

Thanks for reading! 
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 27, 2010, 12:27:49 AM
I stumbled across a mention of Quantrill tonight while reading a 1950's Meramec Caverns brochure

"At the start of the Civil War Confederate guerilla forces under the dreaded leader , Quantrill, captured the powder works in the cave."

It then goes on to talk about Jesse James, and J. Frank Dalton. Great brochure I stubled across in an old suitcase!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on June 27, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
I found the same brochure available on eBay for $.99. In case you were interested Mine is not for sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-Meramec-Caverns-Brochure-Stanton-MO-Missouri-/320552202613?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa2667175 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-Meramec-Caverns-Brochure-Stanton-MO-Missouri-/320552202613?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa2667175)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: betamike on June 27, 2010, 12:39:49 PM
Oh, by the way Andy...I'm over in Pea Ridge myself! Glad to have a Gentry, AR fellow here at SDCFans. One of the long time contributors, BetaMike, is from Benton County, too, although he lives in Florida now. I think he told me he was from around Gentry, or Siloam Springs, or Sulpher Springs...I'd have to check back on some other threads and see.

I'm from Gravette actually   :)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 27, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Well...this feels pretty "homey!" Gentry and Siloam are my home away from home. I have family all over the place down there! My mom and g'ma are in Siloam. And I have additional distant aunts, uncles and cousins throughout Benton Co. Plus friends scattered about. I also have family buried in many cemeteries there.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 27, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
Uh, oh! Maybe we need to form a sub-group here called the Northwest Arkansas Fans Association of Silver Dollar City! Let's see if we can get a few more members, and then if we get a big enough group we can approach SDC for special requests and perks. (Wait a minute...we're already part of a larger group of folks who love SDC...scratch the first idea!) ;D What about it, though...the coaster community gets special perks...can we at SDCFans.com eventually approach the park management and ask for something special? What would we ask for? A free admission day? Free lunch tickets? Special merchandising items? Hmmmmmm....
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 27, 2010, 05:49:49 PM
I dont see why something couldnt happen for the SDCFans! The park recognizes this site on their official sites so they must take this for something of substance! Right?!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: History Buff on June 27, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
Uh, oh! Maybe we need to form a sub-group here called the Northwest Arkansas Fans Association of Silver Dollar City! Let's see if we can get a few more members, and then if we get a big enough group we can approach SDC for special requests and perks. (Wait a minute...we're already part of a larger group of folks who love SDC...scratch the first idea!) ;D What about it, though...the coaster community gets special perks...can we at SDCFans.com eventually approach the park management and ask for something special? What would we ask for? A free admission day? Free lunch tickets? Special merchandising items? Hmmmmmm....


Do you have the connections to make that happen?  (Oops, we're off topic again.)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 27, 2010, 09:41:09 PM
Well, I dont. But maybe someone in our midst might be able to!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 27, 2010, 09:51:32 PM
As far as the collection goes, we hope to make everything available to the public sometime in 2011. I wanted to make sure that we made it available to coincide with the start of the Civil War's 150th anniversary. Plus, as I have stated before, there is much more that I plan to educate the public about in Benton Co. Ark.
 We are hedging on a date to see if we can line it up with some kind of events going on there and kinda tie the whole thing together. EVERYthing will be reference material.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 28, 2010, 09:15:43 AM
I think our group is getting to the point where the city might recognize us with some special things...whatever it may be. It really would be nice. Most of us love SDC very, very much. When we criticise, it's because we love the place and only want to see development and changes that complement the park. SDC outta love us to death! We help spread goodwill and cheer about the place via Internet and word of mouth. That has to have led to more people or new people going to the park over the three or four years this site has exisited?!?!? What do you say?
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: pintrader on June 28, 2010, 09:25:56 AM
Well said Junior!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on June 28, 2010, 11:03:32 AM
Well, like I said, Junior....the SDC official site puts this on their site, so they must think something of it. They seem to be giving it the time of day!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Parson B Ready on June 29, 2010, 01:40:47 AM
That would be cool, Junior.  If SDC offered something special to SDC Fans members.  There'd have to be some kind of stipulation though, wouldn't there?. We wouldn't want people signing up for the forum just to get a freebee.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on June 29, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
OK! I'm going to start a new thread where we can get everyone involved with what should be done! :)
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on July 07, 2010, 11:50:45 PM
Ok folks, this is the last time I will bring my project back into the forefront. I just wanted to let you all know that throughout this project, people have donated money and materials. Well....all money is now exhausted! Gone. The well is dry. But I am not asking for financial help. I am only asking for anyone who is interested in helping this Quantrill project come to fruition donate by sending anything they could on the subject of Quantrill's guerrillas. If you look at the opening of this thread, you'll see what I am needing. Again, this is to establish the "Quantrill Special Collections Research" for the Gentry Public Library in Gentry, Arkansas. Gentry is about 20 or so miles from Junior in Pea Ridge. I am looking to establish the biggest and most informative collection of Quantrill and everything surrounding him that I can put together. A logo has been ok'd for the project as well as a slogan. All will be revealed in Gentry in 2011. Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on July 08, 2010, 08:21:49 AM
I have been following the progress of the Gentry Library in the local press for some time now. A noted architect refurbished some old buildings downtown in Gentry to house the library, he has done a wonderful job and the library is considered one of the true gems in the state of Arkansas from that perspective. I have relatives who lived in Gentry, and used the library from time to time and enjoyed what was there. I STRONGLY encourage all sdcfans.com folks to participate in any way possible in the project discussed on this thread...it will be one of the best collections on this topic in the entire Ozarks Region, I'm sure.
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Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on July 27, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
 Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I am headed to Arkansas on August 7-8 of this year. I am making a permanent move to Siloam and once there I will begin the processing, catalogging and inventory for the Quantrill Special Collections Research at the Gentry Public Library. I am looking forward to getting this started and finally releasing a lot of the information I have on paper and in memory.

Junior, I know you're in Pea Ridge. Might have to make a time to come by the library or maybe we can get a bite to eat!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on July 27, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
Oh yeah! When you get settled, just contact me here on an open thread or by private message, and we will arrange something...I'd like to get a look at the inside of the Gentry Library, and, perhaps, you can give me a short interview so I can write up a little story to promote the venture in the local and/or regional press. Although I know who Quantrill was and who some of his riders were, I don't know a whole lot about the subject like you do. It will be interesting to hear from an expert some of the details about this fascinating subject, and what the project will mean for researchers and historians. All the best of luck on this project...I'm glad to see you are following your heart and are chasing this dream of yours. Generations of people will benefit from the project, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: betamike on August 01, 2010, 12:22:55 AM
So Andy, I'm about to use a pun that is popular where I work.  It's a small world, man. 

I was at work today auditing safety items at the Magic Kingdom when this caught my eye:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skinnytie/4848582522/

Kind of weird, huh?   Like I said.  It's a small world.  It makes sense though since much of Frontierland represents Samuel Clemens' Missouri. 
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Andymeets1880s on August 02, 2010, 12:01:24 PM
^^ Cool, betamike...that's awesome! I'd love to have that to hang in the library with the collection!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: clancomyn on August 18, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
Well, History Buff....the border wars was a battle of farmers, farmer's sons and young men that had had enough of the Kansas Union units terrorizing Missouri. Kansas Senator, James Lane and his "Lane's Brigade" hit Osceola, Missouri and pretty much wiped it off of the map. When Quantrill hit Lawrence, the guerrillas were crying "Remember Osceola!"

Interestingly, Pro-Union Missouri Governor Hamilton Gamble also had to deal with the Kansans; the Missouri State Militia was organized as a local defense force to deal with Confederate irregular forces AND Kansas irregulars that were terrorizing Missourians.

Of course, not all the Missourians were not innocent; remember that "Bleeding Kansas" started partially due to "Border Ruffians" and "Pukes" crossing the border and illegally voting in KS Territorial elections in the 1850s. And then there was the Marias des Cynge Massacre just north of Ft. Scott, where Missourians rounded up a number of Free State settlers and shot them down in a ditch. And for that matter, The Centralia Massacre, where wounded Union soldiers were taken off a train, stripped naked and shot down in cold blood by guerillas.

As you stated, elements on both sides did bad things. Of course, the vast majority of soldiers, North & South, did not. I have an excellent article by John Bradbury which discusses soldier's letters from Midwesterners stationed in the Ozarks during the war. Like many American soldiers in a "foreign land", they are hardly endorsements for Ozarks tourism, but interestingly, many of these soldiers did return after the war, marry local girls,  and settle down in the Ozarks.

Sorry for bringing this thread back -- I worked with the Civil War for 10 years on a daily basis.  ::)

T.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on August 18, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
As the artistic contributor for the logos, and several other advertising pieces, I am very unhappy with the recent decisions that have been made about the QSCR.

Quote
Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have very distressing news. Due to a ruckus, being caused by patrons
of the Gentry Public Library over the name "Quantrill" and the library
staff being asked how they can "glorify a murderer", the library has
withdrawn the name "Quantrill" from the collection and has renamed it
the "Civil War Special Collections!" This was done without my consent
or asking. They have tried to reassure me that the staff has no
problem with the name "Quantrill", but the public response was
overwhelmingly negative. They have expressed their opinion that, if
the name was changed and people didnt see the actual "Quantrill name,
they might not see it so harsh and understand it is part of the Civil
War without it being spotlighted.
I expressed my anger and resentment of this action and asked for the
library to please pack the collection up and I would move it somewhere
it would be respected. The library then informed me that I didnt have
that option and that, once it crossed over library doors, it was their
property! And that the only way the collection could be removed was if
the donors contacted the library themselves, asked for their donations
back and be willing to the pay for the postage of their items to be
mailed / shipped back to them.
I am trying to figure out options and, if I have none, I will have to
bend to this action and try to come up with a compromise of a more
alternative name. The "QUANTRILL Special Collections Research" is dead
as such. I know that this action is going to make some of you blow
your stack and I dont blame you. I am the one that built and promoted
this and there is no one madder than I am. I am COMPLETELY SHOCKED and
floored that this happened in CONFEDERATE Arkansas, of all places!
There seems to be just the two options of trying to reclaim the
collection or renaming it in a more general term. I knew it was my
responsibility to let you know as some of you have donated many
materials and dollars to the "QUANTRILL collection. Almost all
mentions of the Gentry Public Library is gone from "Josephine" and the
"Perdee Farm" until this gets resolved. I offer my deepest and most
profuse and heartfelt apology to all of you who have donated. I cant
believe this happened and never dreamed it would have. It's obvious I
made a terrible mistake and I cannot express how sorry I truly am. I
hope your trust in my historic research and our friendship /
acquaintances will not be compromised. I will let you know what
happens as soon as things develop.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: KBCraig on August 19, 2012, 04:12:51 AM
Wow. That is completely unacceptable.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on August 19, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
Andy sent me that email, too. I cannot tell you how upset I am about the decision of the library. I personally donated items to the collection. I feel betrayed in the name of political correctness. I'll let them keep what I've donated, but they won't get anything else from me. Ever. I also did some promotion on the collection. I wrote a story after doing a nice interview with Andy and the story appears in the summer edition of Life in the Ozarks magazine. No matter what one tries to do, there is always some jackass who wants to throw a monkey wrench in the works. This is a unique, one of a kind historical collection. A valuable resource. Too bad things turned out like they did. Andy did alot of work for that library collection, donated countless hours for them...and this is how they repaid him. Stabbed in the back. The library, mayor, and so on, they probably are doing what they are doing to settle the controversy so they don't loose their jobs come next election.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on August 20, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
UPDATE!!!
(From Andy)

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Ladies & Gentlemen,

Thank you so much for your responses and support on the recent rift
between myself and the Gentry Library over the Quantrill name
controversy! I am very, very happy and, very honestly, relieved, that
all is well and the collection will keep it's name and everything that
goes with it! The situation has been peacefully resolved!
We are eager to get to work to start a re-education plan to inform the
naysayers and slanted opinions! If you have any ideas or suggestions
(considering the fact that I am trying to help them from 220 miles
away), feel free to lob any thing you have to offer with thoughts,
ideas and suggestions! Thanks again!
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: Junior on August 20, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
Whew! What a reversal! I don't know what has happened behind the scenes, but I'm glad Andy is good with things there. I'm sure we will hear more in the near future. My donations are still on hold until the dust settles.
Title: Re: Quantrill Special Collections Research
Post by: rubedugans on September 03, 2012, 05:32:29 PM
I sent a lengthy message to the Library thanking them for keeping the integrity of the collection in tact, and for allowing everyone to see the other side to the conflicts in our nation (I explained how my students need to see more than what the history books praise, they need to see the truth in history, use primary sources, and form their own opinions about these times in history)...the response to my lengthy email thanks was as follows:

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Thank you for your patience during this very stressful time.