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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2021, 11:59:24 AM

Title: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2021, 11:59:24 AM
I'm being told there is now obvious construction activity going on near the train tracks. Apparently visible from Fireman's Landing and the train of course. More construction walls have gone up. To me it sounds like they are going forward with the next big replacement ride to renew the "legacy" attractions. The rumor has been that Fire in the Hole is the next in line for replacement and that it would be replaced with an entirely new indoor coaster or dark ride.

We'll see what happens, but obviously something has started and they typically take a full two years to develop these rides, so whatever has kicked off will most likely open in 2023.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 24, 2021, 01:27:52 PM
ah, very cool. Starting now for 2023 should make for it to be a significant sized attraction!! is this in that "triangle" area behind fireman's landing....or closer to side where the wilderness water toboggan was located?

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 24, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
ah, very cool. Starting now for 2023 should make for it to be a significant sized attraction!! is this in that "triangle" area behind fireman's landing....or closer to side where the wilderness water toboggan was located?

Jay

Shadd’s parking lot
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 25, 2021, 02:26:59 AM
The rumor has been that Fire in the Hole is the next in line for replacement and that it would be replaced with an entirely new indoor coaster or dark ride.


As beloved as the ride is to me  - its replacement might be OK as long as its not themed to some IP.  It really needs to be even less current than the background for time traveler, it was saved by the steampunk angle. the very last thing it needs to be is tied into some cartoon or childrens IP.

my two cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 25, 2021, 11:26:12 AM
The most recent dark ride surveys (two or three years ago) were pretty generic and kind of fantasy-based as I recall.  Lots of sparkle ad glitter, but no theme to go along with the park - and none were Bald Knobbers.  Fingers crossed if anything replaces FitH, that it will stay true to history, heritage, and nostalgia.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 25, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
I mean if it's going right next to Fireman's Landing then it's definitely going to be firefighter themed. No need to worry about that. Will they keep the baldknobber story? Probably not. They still do tell the story of the baldknobbers in the lantern tour and of course FiTH, but other than that it isn't prevalent around the park. Do I wish that it'll be themed to it? Yes, yes I do. But I also know that times change and new stories need to be told. We still have the current FiTH for now and when it's gone we'll have the memories of it, and I'm sure they'll save some things from the inside to keep the legacy of it. They know how iconic it is to everyone that visits.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 25, 2021, 05:45:37 PM
Yeah the signs are there now it's probably the beginning of the end for FITH. And yes you can count on its replacement to be watered down and PC.  :'(

It upsets me that Dollywood's Blazing Fury will outlive it even though it will be the closest we will get to keeping and experiencing the original despite it's theme being watered down as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 26, 2021, 08:24:18 PM
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 26, 2021, 08:59:30 PM
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong

Location indicates a firefighting theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2021, 08:39:48 AM
Due to the location and if it really is a FITH replacement, a fire company theme is pretty much guaranteed. I think it will be a generic "towns on fire" theme. Maybe they will lightly mention the baldknobbers, but they probably wont have any hoods.

The real question is how they will approach the ride system itself. Is is going to be thrilling, or more of a dark ride? Aimed at allowing younger kids, or will they do something crazy that raises the height limit? Will there be a world's first? Will it be reliable, or break down continuously?

Personally I'm hoping that it is true to the original with lots of practical effects and props during a long slow dark ride section followed by the classic fire in the hole drop at the end. Keep it relatively simple so that kids can ride and it doesn't break down every hour.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on September 27, 2021, 08:44:07 AM
^ Agree!!!  How many of us were introduced to rollercoasters with FITH?  I was and so were my kids.  It's still my favorite ride at SDC.  Keep the Baldknobbers please - it's part of the history and legacy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 27, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
So if the rumors are correct next season 2022 will be the 50th anniversary and also the final year of FITH.  I would presume there would not be much fanfare associated with the anniversary since Flooded Mine didn't receive much.  Also wouldn't make much sense to celebrate something your going to remove by the next year.

A person would need to be in their mid to upper 50's just to remember when it wasn't there.  I am just wondering how they are going to handle the negative blowback when they announce it.  Saying there will be a new ride to replace it will definitely help some but I would expect a pretty large negative response.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 27, 2021, 10:58:21 AM
Is it completely impossible that they could just refurbish and rebuild the ride in house? - for 1/2 the cost of a new production coaster/dark ride I would think they could do it themselves and really make it stand out.  While cutting edge time traveler was 25 million - for 10-15 mill they could probably rebuild/ upgrade Fire in the Hole it as it stands and still have a standout attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 27, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
I'm sure Swoosh has some inside scoop.....

So are we on the right track when we say - New fire in the hole, demolition of old ride, +new train station in 2022?

Or is the information you have - new fire themed roller coaster near fireman's landing?

I was looking at the height requirements of Firechaser Express and they were only 39" compared to Blazing Fury at 42" (Fire in the hole is 48, 36" with adult). Could they just mirror what they did at Dollywood and build a Firechaser at SDC and refurbish the Fire in the Hole with new track from RMC? Or is the SDC building in much worse shape than DW's - being only 6 years different in age?

Just some random thoughts...

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 27, 2021, 12:35:20 PM
Is it completely impossible that they could just refurbish and rebuild the ride in house? - for 1/2 the cost of a new production coaster/dark ride I would think they could do it themselves and really make it stand out.  While cutting edge time traveler was 25 million - for 10-15 mill they could probably rebuild/ upgrade Fire in the Hole it as it stands and still have a standout attraction.
The building and ride has deteriorated so bad that it'll cost less to build a new one in a more fitting location. If you keep band-aiding the building and ride like they have been, it's not gonna help in the long run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 27, 2021, 12:36:26 PM
Also, if you want a different view of some land clearing and construction equipment that isn't on the train, go to the pumpkin plaza whenever it opens and go to the left of the giant screen. Look through the fence and you'll see a lot of clearing and digging. I'll get pics when I go back to work on Tuesday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: woodgrain on September 27, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Any idea what the space created by demolishing FITH could be used for?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 27, 2021, 01:12:00 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2021, 05:52:14 PM
I'm sure they COULD save the old FITH if they wanted to, but the issue here is return on investment. Spending upwards of $10 million to re-model an existing ride only to end up with a somewhat updated version of that ride is not going to generate nearly as much hype or ticket sales as building a large new ride for $15-20 million, not to mention all the theoretical logistical improvements from having a bigger, better, modern space that is designed for the crowds SDC has now and not the crowds they did back in the 60's.

They could have simply replaced the lost river in place as well with new troughs and a new water supply, but Mystic River got them national attention whereas even yearly visitors may not have noticed an upgrade to Lost River.

There has been speculation that they want to build a new train station since the old one doesn't even fit a full train load and has always been a logistical sticking point. They don't even use the store space hardly anymore, and few people can get to the concession booth inside. I don't know though, they might just tear down Flooded Mine one of these days along with the train station and build a big new train station across the two spots. Anything is possible at this point. There are few left at the park who care about preserving anything vintage SDC. All we can ask is that they at least don't completely ignore the theme when they build a new ride. I still say I like the marvel cave tie in to Mystic River and that they did a good job with that one. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 27, 2021, 06:30:56 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 27, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.

I think their thought was it would be closer to the round house for the engineers.  Then open up for redevelopment the area of the old station and FM when removed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 27, 2021, 09:16:22 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.

I think their thought was it would be closer to the round house for the engineers.  Then open up for redevelopment the area of the old station and FM when removed.

Thats a lot of area where FITH is now, Be a lot of space to reuse, be interestingto see drawings of that proposal.
 
IF they did make it the new station,
then the old station and FM would probably be revamped all at 1 time into an all new attraction..  Another interesting drawing to see..
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 28, 2021, 09:07:01 AM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 28, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?

Oh. I think they would for sure put something else in there besides just the station.. too many square feet for just the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 28, 2021, 08:41:16 PM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?

Oh. I think they would for sure put something else in there besides just the station.. too many square feet for just the train.

It would also allow for the huge line for the train at Christmas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 28, 2021, 09:40:31 PM
FITH area will be home to the new train depot.
Queue for Saloon will be put into that area as well.
Ben talk about Opera House getting new entrance over there as well.
Fry Bread might be removed with the new revamp of this area.

Basically nothing is sacred in this area and don’t expect to recognize it once it is completed

Working timeline
2023: new FITH opens / walls go up around old / demo by summer / construction of new depot to follow
2024: new depot opens / old depot closed off / demo by summer / natural look by fall
2025: SW26 construction begins
2026: SW26 opens
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 29, 2021, 08:04:24 AM
Fry Bread might be removed with the new revamp of this area.

I always think every time I walk by that Fry Bread eatery that this is the craziest place to put something like this.  I mean right in the middle of the walkway.  Maybe their idea was....well they can't miss this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on September 29, 2021, 08:55:07 AM
2025: SW26 construction begins
2026: SW26 opens

Any hints?  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 29, 2021, 09:04:57 AM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 29, 2021, 09:36:05 AM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 29, 2021, 12:43:44 PM
The Fry Bread Company is hardly open anymore. Not gonna miss it to be honest. I wonder what they’re gonna do with Percy’s? That’s a large building, they could probably put an indoor stage and seating there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 29, 2021, 02:07:28 PM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.

All about ROI.

$$$$
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 29, 2021, 02:53:34 PM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.

All about ROI.

$$$$


That's pretty much the whole story.....kind of hard to have "memories worth repeating" when those memories are disappearing.  I think the main thing they are looking at is the attendance rise in the coming years especially during their most popular festivals.  Paths, rides and now probably a lot bigger train station to handle the larger crowds.

That is still going to be a lot of investment to get that return but it takes money to make money.  I guess the new stuff is "memories worth repeating" for the next generation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 29, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.

It's easy enough to replicate and make a part of the queue.  Disney does it at Haunted Mansion.

Did you ever wonder if there are any real things buried there?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 30, 2021, 10:21:59 AM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.

It's easy enough to replicate and make a part of the queue.  Disney does it at Haunted Mansion.

Did you ever wonder if there are any real things buried there?

I thought it was once part of the queue for Fire in the Hole. I remember waiting in line and reading the tombstones.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on September 30, 2021, 11:37:28 AM

I thought it was once part of the queue for Fire in the Hole. I remember waiting in line and reading the tombstones.

Jay

I think it still is part of the queue...well sort of.  The last lane of the queue is bumped up against the cemetery so you could always read tombstones from there.  My memory from the 70's or 80's is a little fuzzy to say the least so maybe someone else can remember.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 30, 2021, 11:49:58 AM
Yes, it was at one point. Then it was an ironic smoking area for awhile.

I'm not saying there should be an outcry to save it or anything, I just think it's another interesting example of the park evolving over time. I just don't think it's the type of humor that SDC goes for anymore. Everything now has to be so upbeat and positive. Even hill billy references are frowned upon because a lot of that "makes fun" of poverty, even though it used to be done in a laughing-with-them sort of way. The new theming will undoubtedly be very positive and focus on heroism and firefighters as opposed to a bunch of dopy baldknobbers and frantic townspeople characters.

You can bet there won't be a hanging scene anymore, lol!

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 01, 2021, 10:16:36 AM

That's pretty much the whole story.....kind of hard to have "memories worth repeating" when those memories are disappearing.

That is still going to be a lot of investment to get that return but it takes money to make money.  I guess the new stuff is "memories worth repeating" for the next generation.

^This

I will be curious to see the backlash and change in attendance numbers and how many long time fans of the park will be lost with the loss of all the classic attractions. You can definitely expect the former. My parents stopped going a while back because they saw the writing on the wall that the park is evolving away from its theme and into another ride filled amusement park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDCisHome on October 01, 2021, 11:02:14 AM
As a 28 year old who has been going to SDC since I was born, I like the changes. Now with that, I have many fond memories of the "old SDC" with LR, FITH and FM. I remember being terrified of LR and FM because the queue lines were super dark and enclosed, but in my opinion, every change that has been made has been for the better. I was mortified when Buzz Saw Falls was removed, but it made room for my favorite ride on park. Now, I understand it was removed for reasons not related to age and being "old". Or when the park got rid of the old green trams and trolleys, heartbreaking.

I think MRF is way better than LR, even though I miss the classic LR, especially the cave. If SDC continues this, and I think it will, the new FITH will be just as good or even better than the old FITH.

I love the idea of a newer, larger train station. Even though I have many memories of the old one, it has run its course. IMO. Having to wait sometimes all the way to corkscrew pass is crazy and if you're just walking through the area, it can be extremely congested.

I personally think an area that needs an overhaul is the entrance. When it's a busy day, the ticket booth line is insane and just trying to get in through security and turnstiles can be tight.

One thing to keep in mind is if the turnstiles don't move, there is no SDC. We all know that. With costs going up it creates the need for them to turn even more. If this is a way to do that and get a nod to the old SDC, then it's what the park has to do. You have to adapt and create new things or you become old, stagnant and the same ol' SDC. Regardless of how much we all love the old SDC, the newer generation, might now and that's the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 02, 2021, 11:32:02 PM
I don't understand this whole "it's all about the $$$" argument. Like.. yeah. That's the point. SDC is theme park. It's meant to generate money. SDC was started to make money with the Hershends, hell even with Lynch and his cave tours. If a ride that's 50 years old and is decayed to the point that it'd be easier to make a new one, then that's what they'll do to save money. Sure it'll aggravate the long time fans. But how many of them would stop coming? A decent bit at most. But all of that doesn't matter because SDC can advertise a shiny new ride and attract more newcomers than old comers leaving. I'll miss the ride for sure, but I'm excited for its replacement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 03, 2021, 01:48:28 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 03, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Not gonna lie I love being a couple hours from a great theme park with world class modern coasters and such but I also come back to re-experience the classics I grew up with. It just won't be the same with them being gone and I don't know if I'll go as often due to that. It would be like Kings Island ripping out The Beast or The Racer or Disney ripping out It's A Small World.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 03, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on October 03, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
Quote
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong

Not sure what the powers that be have in mind and as a lover of traditional tracked rides....  I am intrigued by the possibility of  a hanging coaster as a fith replacement.  I believe they could so something of that sort in a smaller footprint and scenery.  I push for it to remine indoors ( winter friendly) Its important to have a ride you can count on to be open in whatever weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 04, 2021, 08:58:11 AM
As a 28 year old who has been going to SDC since I was born, I like the changes. Now with that, I have many fond memories of the "old SDC" with LR, FITH and FM. I remember being terrified of LR and FM because the queue lines were super dark and enclosed, but in my opinion, every change that has been made has been for the better. I was mortified when Buzz Saw Falls was removed, but it made room for my favorite ride on park. Now, I understand it was removed for reasons not related to age and being "old". Or when the park got rid of the old green trams and trolleys, heartbreaking.

I think MRF is way better than LR, even though I miss the classic LR, especially the cave. If SDC continues this, and I think it will, the new FITH will be just as good or even better than the old FITH.

I love the idea of a newer, larger train station. Even though I have many memories of the old one, it has run its course. IMO. Having to wait sometimes all the way to corkscrew pass is crazy and if you're just walking through the area, it can be extremely congested.

I personally think and area that needs an overhaul is the entrance. When it's a busy day, the ticket booth line is insane and just trying to get in through security and turnstiles can be tight.

One thing to keep in mind is if the turnstiles don't move, there is no SDC. We all know that. With costs going up it creates the need for them to turn even more. If this is a way to do that and get a nod to the old SDC, then it's what the park has to do. You have to adapt and create new things or you become old, stagnant and the same ol' SDC. Regardless of how much we all love the old SDC, the newer generation, might now and that's the future.

All good points.

Whatever they are building should be impressive and fun for a new generation. It is still interesting to note how things change, and I do worry about them building something that won't have the same reliability, broad appeal, or staying power as the old FITH. It's like watching your favorite movie get remade with a bunch of unproven actors.

I'm sure they are taking many things into account. I just hope the urge for a "world's first" or extreme marketing angle doesn't take over on this one. I also just want it to stay open reliably. Even the Six Flags Justice League Dark Rides from not too many years ago are having a hard time staying open these days. Once the shine is off, parks tend to stop investing in "special" rides like dark rides that take more technical upkeep.

I thought the front entrance would have been redone by now. Not sure what the hold up is there. At this point I hope they are holding off until they can plant a giant resort right there with it. Just take up the whole area where the handicap parking is now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 04, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

If it wasn't for customers they wouldn't have a job.  As a paying customer I have every right to express my opinion as do you.  No I'm not the only voice out there but mine does count.  I'm not asking them to rebuild FITH exactly the same but I am asking for them to keep the general theme.  I have that right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on October 04, 2021, 09:16:36 PM
I still wish SFOT still had the Big Bend roller coaster. I was my first "big" coaster and I loved it. Even though it was legendary, it didn't make sense for the park to keep it, no matter how much I wanted them to. I wish they would rebuild it in a fashion that would work today - but it's forever a memory and one that I long for.

Duelist, I completely understand your concern and hope that the new Fire In The Hole will be very similar to the original. I consider us "purist" but we might be in a minority....I know a lot of families that don't have the same appreciation for that ride that we do. We went with a group of softball families once, and as much as I talked up the ride - most didn't ride it, or if they did, didn't have the same appreciation that I did. I think it's brilliant, but I've thought that since the first time I rode in 1979.

I know that change has to come, even Disney will close an iconic ride and make changes, improvements, etc. I'm excited to see what the park can do with new technology for the scenes and ride itself, possible drop tracks, backward sections, etc. - keep the original "idea" of the ride, but improve the overall ride experience.

This will be an interesting build for sure.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on October 05, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
I'm sure the Baldknobber theme will be gone, and I get it. When FITH was built, the Baldknobbers story was very prominent in Branson. The Baldknobbers theater was a huge attraction. There was a Baldknobbers restaurant. Everybody went to the SOTH outdoor drama and saw the Baldknobbers burn the cabin. As a result, visitors to SDC were familiar with the backstory.

Those days are gone, and most people who ride the ride have a hard time understanding why there are guys in hoods hanging people on the ride. Us "old-timers" will miss the Baldknobber theme if and when it goes away, but most people won't.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on October 05, 2021, 09:45:01 AM
Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

An unjust assessment.  SDC was founded on, and continues to promise, nostalgia.  If they promise a "Great Past Ahead" of me, then they owe me that past. 

I am not afflicted with Novelitis:  I don't need something new every visit.  I go there precisely for the old. 

If they want to change that contract--and, remember,t hey are the ones making the offer--then they should not be surprised when I decide it is no longer worth my time or money.  I dread the day, but it looms closer every year as they update and homogenize and sensitize and modernize.  They creep ever closer to becoming Six Flags over Branson.  When that transformation is complete, I will not return.

So what, says Hershend?  Well, I spend a fair amount of money at the city every year (Covid notwithstanding), likely more than many of the people they are attracting by giving up on the nostalgia. 

And, one more point:  my sons--23 and 20--are no more interested in the modernization or the mega-rides than their parents are, so the appeal to youth is not universally successful. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 05, 2021, 09:51:56 AM
^ Well said, my friend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 05, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Another thing that we need to remember is the MASSIVE numbers of older folks (50+) like myself- who are in the city on any given day. They constitute a HUGE demographic. I am too fat and old to be riding the coasters and thrill rides, so their appeal is limited to me. as I am sure it is to may of the older guests. The flooded mine is still accessible to grandma provided she can get into and out of the boats.

 As I said earlier a "calico mine ride" like at Knotts would be ALL ages friendly and still be able to keep the 1880's theme. It could be argued that 4 or 5 thrill coasters is enough for SDC. It doesn't need to be in the coaster/thrill ride theme park competition with the Disney's or universal studios.

The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 05, 2021, 06:40:54 PM
The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

I would argue that isn’t the biggest draw. I would say that the biggest draw is in fact new marketable rides and bigger name concerts. BUT, the parks unique feel and atmosphere is what has people returning. They come for the big new ride, but fall in love with the park because of everything else. It has to be a delicate balance of the old and new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on October 05, 2021, 07:49:32 PM
The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

I would argue that isn’t the biggest draw. I would say that the biggest draw is in fact new marketable rides and bigger name concerts. BUT, the parks unique feel and atmosphere is what has people returning. They come for the big new ride, but fall in love with the park because of everything else. It has to be a delicate balance of the old and new.

The thing about concerts is that they are a big draw for those individual days and nights but are not a constant throughout the year.  The parks unique feel and atmosphere plus the rides (new & old) is the biggest draws and what's going to keep people coming back.

Like you say it's a balance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 06, 2021, 05:13:19 PM
Here’s a view of the land clearing behind Fireman’s Landing, viewed from Pumpkin Plaza. Pictures can’t do it justice of how much land this is taking up. Wish I could get better photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDCisHome on October 07, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: palallin link=topic=4275.msg82541#msg82541 date=1633445101 [/quote
I dread the day, but it looms closer every year as they update and homogenize and sensitize and modernize.  They creep ever closer to becoming Six Flags over Branson.  When that transformation is complete, I will not return.

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, the thought that the park is creeping closer to "Six Flags over Branson" is quite absurd. The park is changing, but it's not losing anything in its attempt to make things bright, shiny and new. For me personally, I can still do exactly what I did 25 years ago, actually more. No, I haven't been going to the park for 50 years (I'm 28), but 25-plus is a solid number. Yeah, I can't ride some of the old rides, and there's no Geyser Gulch, but there are newer and better attractions now. The park still clearly has the 1880s theme, the craftsmen are there, the food is the same, you can see the shows and the festivals are solid. I really enjoyed Street Fest back in the spring.

It's all what you make of it. If you don't like it, fine, that's your right, but let's not compare apples and oranges when it comes to SDC, or even Dollywood, to Six Flags. In Missouri, Six Flags St. Louis and Worlds of Fun don't even come close to Silver Dollar City and what it has to offer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 07, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
Very cool, thanks legoerosion.

Here is a resized version of your photo that might be easier to view.

Looks like they are busy adding in a new waterline to support the area.

I will be there tomorrow to get some updated photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 07, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
Sadly, I think there was a time when the park was much more of a "preservation of the older times" sort of park. in the late 60's thru the 80's - Theme parks were newer overall.

Nowadays it is way, way more about entertaining the visitors than educating them. in the past it was more a mix of both; certainly at least 50/50.   Now its seem more like about 80 ent/20 edu. Over time the craftsman and the learning some history with your visit, gives way to the hurry up and wait in line for the newest ride or show.

Times change, and I get it. Fortunately, the theming through out the park is so strong, that it still looks mostly as it did. Priority's in the market can certainly cause that to change quickly though. I think that's what people fear most, the loss of the parts of SDC that gave each of them the best memories.     
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 08, 2021, 01:02:33 AM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

Duelist never said he was owed anything.

You are not SDC's traditional audience. You enjoy going all over the country, even around the world, to hit all the latest and greatest amusement rides. Good for you, and I'm glad you enjoy that.

If SDC ignores its past and its theme to attract those who are attracted to the newest shiny thing, those who chase the new and shiny will ignore them as soon as they're not the newest and shiniest. And then, where are the traditional SDC customers who care about the past and the theme more than the new and the shiny?

Not at the park.

And that leaves SDC chasing customers who don't care about what made SDC in the first place, and don't care if it ceases to exist.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 08, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Another thing that we need to remember is the MASSIVE numbers of older folks (50+) like myself- who are in the city on any given day. They constitute a HUGE demographic. I am too fat and old to be riding the coasters and thrill rides, so their appeal is limited to me. as I am sure it is to may of the older guests. The flooded mine is still accessible to grandma provided she can get into and out of the boats.

 As I said earlier a "calico mine ride" like at Knotts would be ALL ages friendly and still be able to keep the 1880's theme. It could be argued that 4 or 5 thrill coasters is enough for SDC. It doesn't need to be in the coaster/thrill ride theme park competition with the Disney's or universal studios.

The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

 

Funny You mention Knott's .

My Son and I have a free Monday between Universal Hollywood and Disneyland next week. We had planned on it hitting Knott's that day, but HangTime is down. We may still go, but it's looking like we are just going to get Six Flags memberships early for 2022 with a trip to SFFT, SGOT and Frontier City planned for 2022.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 08, 2021, 04:41:31 PM
My only recommendation is to skip SFSL at all costs - it has become more like a parking lot fair you might find while driving past a mall. and that is being kind. I spent 4 amazing years working there in the mid 80's, can't believe how far its descended.

Sounds good hope you have some great trips.

Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 08, 2021, 11:55:54 PM
Sadly, I think there was a time when the park was much more of a "preservation of the older times" sort of park. in the late 60's thru the 80's - Theme parks were newer overall.

Nowadays it is way, way more about entertaining the visitors than educating them. in the past it was more a mix of both; certainly at least 50/50.   Now its seem more like about 80 ent/20 edu. Over time the craftsman and the learning some history with your visit, gives way to the hurry up and wait in line for the newest ride or show.

Times change, and I get it. Fortunately, the theming through out the park is so strong, that it still looks mostly as it did. Priority's in the market can certainly cause that to change quickly though. I think that's what people fear most, the loss of the parts of SDC that gave each of them the best memories.     

SDC stopped being a tongue in cheek recreation of Marmaros several decades ago. The construction of Thunderation was the first nail, then buzzsaw falls, then wildfire really drove it home. SDC is a theme park with a really interesting central theme and a great history. They still do a great job with storytelling and customer service among other things, but it is a theme park with modern theme park crowds and they have to evolve with the times as they always have. They have over 2 million guests per year and growing. It's just business.

If they can at least keep the central theme alive and do a decent job with theming and storytelling, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 08, 2021, 11:57:53 PM
Double posting to note that I was at the park today and fresh photos are on our Facebook page. The construction site is just cleared trees and some utilities being laid at the moment. I'm sure we'll see a lot more next year as they start constructing the actual building.  I telling what we are in for until we see a building footprint.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Parson B Ready on October 09, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Almost two years ago I ran into Brad Thomas at SDC.  I expressed my concern about the rumors swirling around FITH's impending doom.  He did not confirm or deny any rumors. But he reassured me that he understands how much FITH means to many of us.  Based on that reassurance, I can only hold out hope that FITH 2.0 will maintain some type of continuity with FITH 1.0. We shall see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on October 12, 2021, 01:58:00 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year. I'm sure the PTB wouldn't appreciate that.

IF we get a new version of FITH, I hope they reuse some of the old, original imagery, props, artifacts, etc. such as the Kinney Bridge sign, pictures from the queue area, Red Flanders gag, etc. I pray that the old stuff just doesn't wind up in a dumpster.

If they don't reuse it, I would love to see an online auction of "relics" with the proceeds going to one of SDC's charitable foundations. I'd give anything for a prop from FITH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on October 12, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 12, 2021, 02:11:14 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?

No.  We have heard FITH2.0 could open either 2022 or 2023.  A lot depends on how the new ride system responds. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 12, 2021, 05:10:15 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 12, 2021, 06:42:31 PM
^ Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 12, 2021, 09:16:43 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin
With the way Swoosh was teasing the RMC powered train for the FITH replacement this is what I thought they'd do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 12, 2021, 10:30:37 PM
I think you have a more likely scenario of a theme like Blazing Fury than Fire in the Hole with baldknobbers. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 13, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
I think you have a more likely scenario of a theme like Blazing Fury than Fire in the Hole with baldknobbers.

Still, there's nothing wrong with showing the drama of the Bald Knobbers.  Dark rides tend to be fraught with bad guys as long as there is a happy ending.  The fact is, these were vigilantes who had "good intentions" to form a law and order league where the regular law was lax.  Some went rogue.

I've never personally heard anyone who likened the Bald Knobbers to clansmen except on this forum.  They don't look like clansmen.  There is no racism portrayed.  This is not a big nod to the Civil War South.  To my knowledge, there have been no protests of the ride.

Of course, you insiders might have heard PTB or others discussing the Bald Knobbers as an issue.  I believe the story should continue to be told in the queue and can still be entertaining in a dark ride, but I have no doubt  someone has heard otherwise, and this will go generic.

Still, I can't imagine the old standards won't also be incorporated.  I imagine the PTB think "Red Flanders..." will appease most diehards.  It will, but it won't appease those of us who are "purists".
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 13, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
It would be great if there is a version of the portrait with the foot sticking out of it as you return to the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 13, 2021, 11:42:53 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin

I think that's all that most traditionalists are asking for.

We all know the mechanical aspects of the ride have aged poorly.

We'd just like to ride it again with pretty much the same story line, and hopefully the burning bridge plunge.

We just don't want it to turn into Flooded Mine 2.0, with none of the story and a bunch of annoying nonsense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: msu24 on October 14, 2021, 12:47:30 AM
Apparently a FITH train was spotted being transported on the back of a truck. Probably to be looked at for inspo for new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 14, 2021, 10:36:56 AM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin

This would be my preferred option, drop track at the burning bridge to simulate a collapse then a launch in darkness.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 26, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
What are the chances this could be what that construction is for behind Fireman's Landing? Think Mystery Mine but with FITH's theme.

https://amusementtoday.com/2021/10/gerstlauer-to-build-one-of-a-kind-infinity-roller-coaster-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 26, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
I would think the chances are basically nil if they are really rebuilding anything similar to FITH. The RMC powered coaster prototype rumor seems most logically sound.

Plus it would be an odd choice after Time Traveler, especially with two other looping coasters in the park already. They don't need anymore inverting coasters unless it is something unique like a flyer or an invert or something. The park is in far more need of good family coasters. Plural.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 26, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
I would think the chances are basically nil if they are really rebuilding anything similar to FITH. The RMC powered coaster prototype rumor seems most logically sound.

Plus it would be an odd choice after Time Traveler, especially with two other looping coasters in the park already. They don't need anymore inverting coasters unless it is something unique like a flyer or an invert or something. The park is in far more need of good family coasters. Plural.

Agree, they need a tightly woven mess of noniverting Intamin fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 27, 2021, 12:54:14 AM
I was merely going by the logic looking at the parks recent track record. They could have simply rebuilt Lost River as it was with a new layout but they went for the attention getting tallest/wettest/longest by adding a high thrill element with that tower and drop feature on MRF. I have a feeling the FITH rebuild will follow this same pattern.

I would love to be wrong on this one tho.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 27, 2021, 11:07:22 AM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Don’t count on Baldknobbers.  I’d expect a theme more like Blazing Fury where they focus on firefighters putting out fires around town.  No explanation on how they started
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 28, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Don’t count on Baldknobbers.  I’d expect a theme more like Blazing Fury where they focus on firefighters putting out fires around town.  No explanation on how they started

I expect that the Baldknobbers are done for. Not because they require too much explanation, because even 50 years ago they were highly local lore, and much of the park's theming explained the story of Marmaros and the Baldknobbers for those "foreign" visitors from places as remote as Springfield and Arkansas.

No, I expect they'll be gone because people no longer want explanations, and don't have the patience for it.

People today become outraged by seeing capirotes worn by Spanish penitents. They don't have time to learn that the auto-da-fé was what you oughtn't to do, but do anyway. ;)

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on October 29, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

I think the best that we will get is some Easter eggs thrown in. But, with the old ride operating until the new is opened even that might not happen.

As for animatronics, I am hoping they go with screens and projection mapping. The new attractions coming out with this technology are simply amazing. Hopefully it is not cost prohibitive and less maintenance to go this way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 29, 2021, 11:44:33 AM
So is this the last year for FITH?  Will they definitely tear down the old building next year?  Or keep it open until the new ride is finished? I can't imagine them going through a whole year with the loss of one of the few indoor rides they have.  Of course this is all assumption that the new ride will be the FITH replacement.  We still don't know anything officially.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on October 29, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?

No.  We have heard FITH2.0 could open either 2022 or 2023.  A lot depends on how the new ride system responds.

Well I asked pretty much the same question without a clear cut answer.  When Pudgy Jones says rumor says "it will be gone after THIS year"  I figured this means after the 21 season and next would be after the 22 season.  Swoosh mentioned the 22 or 23 season but was talking about when the new ride would open and not when the old FITH would close.

The best I can determine is when the new FITH opens whether it be 22 or 23 the old FITH would immediately shut down and cease operations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 30, 2021, 10:48:04 AM
I am expecting the announcement to be made in August next year and to see FITH close down around then so they can start demolishing the area and constructing the new train station or whatever they have planned. Hopefully they'll give everyone plenty of advanced warning, but they didn't when FM was torn down... They only gave a couple weeks warning before taking down geyser gulch.

I hope they do have some practical effects, animatronics, and plenty of goofy mannequin scenes like the old ride. If they don't preserve the red flander's scene then we'll know they really don't care about anything SDC anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
I am expecting the announcement to be made in August next year and to see FITH close down around then so they can start demolishing the area and constructing the new train station or whatever they have planned. Hopefully they'll give everyone plenty of advanced warning, but they didn't when FM was torn down... They only gave a couple weeks warning before taking down geyser gulch.

I hope they do have some practical effects, animatronics, and plenty of goofy mannequin scenes like the old ride. If they don't preserve the red flander's scene then we'll know they really don't care about anything SDC anymore.

When you say FM, I assume you mean LR.

I've been thinking about the Red Flanders scene and wondering if, at least, it might still mention the Bald Knobbers, even if Bald Knobbers do not appear in the ride itself.  Might that still be an approach to keep the historical and geographical theme and not simply make another generic ride focused on fire fighting?

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 30, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
Judging how long the wait lines have been for FITH I would say most, if any, are not offended by the Baldknobber theme.  As you said earlier, HB, the only negative things we've heard have been on this site.  But SDC does need to keep things in the queue line explaining the story.  I would hate to think they would get rid of the iconic picture to the right of the queue line when you come into the building explaining the fire- even if it's not that accurate to history as to the burning of Marmaros.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on October 30, 2021, 03:39:51 PM
I would suspect if they would of had too many complaints about the Baldknobber theme that it would have disappeared by now.  At least in the past it seemed things were smoothed over when it came to hillbillies and guns.  Still they may take the road to try and stay pc and just not have them in the new ride.

I saw somewhere that someone said the saloon part of FITH was going to be incorporated into the new FITH which would be pretty nice.  Now if they would just bring everything else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 30, 2021, 06:14:15 PM
Oh, there are plenty of comments you can overhear just from people waiting in line. It only takes one dingus to make a stink for it to go "viral" that SDC has a "KKK ride". It's dumb obviously, but it's exactly the type of dumb thing that they might be worried about. It would be nice if they could keep a few baldknobbers around with a little context added, but SDC has gotten worse about telling stories well through theming. Remember how TT's queue was supposed to be a "clock factory"? lol

Anyway, just noticed Carr Excavating has posted some fresh photos from the dig site. Looks like they are still in the throes of uncovering electric lines and laying utilities.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 17, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
https://twitter.com/PlntAttractions/status/1460648008891174919

Look at how far animatronics have come. That new small park in Iowa is getting these for their dark ride... SDC could easily afford a few of these bad boys.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on November 17, 2021, 02:41:04 PM
^ That looks amazing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 25, 2021, 06:28:25 AM
If and when they redo American Plunge. And... I truly hope they keep a flume style ride. They need to add a family with it.

I have said it before but said it again.

Here is a pic I took from 2019 from Europa Park and it's insane landscaping doing just this
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 03, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
Posted some new photos on the FB page. Looks like most of the underground stuff is in place and they have leveled and compacted the area. I'll bet when we return in springtime there will be a foundation in place. Heck, they may have the walls up by then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 03, 2021, 06:42:16 PM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 05, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.

You mean the show building for the new ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 06, 2021, 11:42:47 AM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.

You mean the show building for the new ride?

Hopefully, they are using it as a duel purpose to block the view.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 05, 2022, 11:16:47 AM
I know it’s middle of January but does anyone have any updates?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 05, 2022, 06:42:38 PM
I saw some post on Fakebook with 2022 and a line from FITH. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on January 05, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
It looks like they were almost or already done leveling out the land last week. They had a bunch of pipes and electrical work (understandably so) sticking out from the ground, so I wouldn't be surprised if they go vertical soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Kisco on January 06, 2022, 03:49:12 PM
I have been following SDCfans for some time, but just registered today.  I was at SDC last week, but wasn't able to see any of the development.  I did get a facebook message from SDC showing a 2022 in the background and a baldnobber quote from FITH in the middle.  Would this mean that the replacement might open later this year?  In looking at where the current FITH is now and the condition of the Saloon, I think building a new Saloon where the current FITH is would be a better move than putting a new train station there.  The current Saloon could then be replaced with a new train station.  This would allow a much bigger Saloon that is fully disability compliant and much more room.  There might have to be some re-grading done to the train track if it needs to be level at the train station, but I think there would be room for that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on January 06, 2022, 04:55:09 PM
Putting the station where the Saloon is would require putting the boarding on the second floor; difficult to do and be ADA compliant.  As for re-grading the right-of-way to bring the track to street level there:  ain't gonna happen.  Far too much dirt moving.  The engines have pretty much all they can do to manage the grade already in place.  Trying to put the station there at street level would require grades more appropriate for Outlaw Run    :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 06, 2022, 09:16:51 PM
I have been following SDCfans for some time, but just registered today.  I was at SDC last week, but wasn't able to see any of the development.  I did get a facebook message from SDC showing a 2022 in the background and a baldnobber quote from FITH in the middle.  Would this mean that the replacement might open later this year?  In looking at where the current FITH is now and the condition of the Saloon, I think building a new Saloon where the current FITH is would be a better move than putting a new train station there.  The current Saloon could then be replaced with a new train station.  This would allow a much bigger Saloon that is fully disability compliant and much more room.  There might have to be some re-grading done to the train track if it needs to be level at the train station, but I think there would be room for that.

2022 refers to the farewell season for the current version

Saloon is staying put

Current plan is to put new station where FITH is currently.  It will also help connect Westward area and Opera House
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 07, 2022, 08:26:56 PM
You know, there are already tons of people in that area by FITH, it would seem like putting the train station there would make matters much worse.  You would have the tons of people that would be there already combined with the tons of people that would normally be over by the train station area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 07, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 10, 2022, 02:16:29 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.

I would expect to see a simple wide overhead bridge kicking out NE behind Opera House over the tracks tied to the sidewalk between the silos and Outlaw Run.  There is already a maintenece road there, so they will have to deal with that small detail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on January 10, 2022, 03:06:37 PM
If you ask me how I'd design the path, follow the red line.  It makes loop around the back end that would greatly help with crowd flow.  But they'd have to move some maintenance buildings which is probably too much to ask for.  So, I'm guessing the most likely option for the "new loop" is the blue path, unfortunately, which I don't really see helping flow that much. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 10, 2022, 04:44:38 PM
^You have to consider there will actually be two crossover sites, not just the one. The first one will be located as mentioned above connecting the old FITH area with OR and Wilsons Farm and another will be over behind Firemans Landing where the FITH replacement will be built. I highly doubt they would reroute the railroad tracks. I would expect a walkway bridge over them building a tunnel unless they are willing to spend the extra $$$ on infrastructure and earth work to accommodate one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 10, 2022, 08:07:52 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.

Think of what they do at Dollywood.  The crossing would be right next to the station so that the attendants there could do both

^You have to consider there will actually be two crossover sites, not just the one. The first one will be located as mentioned above connecting the old FITH area with OR and Wilsons Farm and another will be over behind Firemans Landing where the FITH replacement will be built. I highly doubt they would reroute the railroad tracks. I would expect a walkway bridge over them building a tunnel unless they are willing to spend the extra $$$ on infrastructure and earth work to accommodate one.

The entrance to the new FITH will be go under the track.  The track is already above grade at that location
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 18, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
I do not like the idea of moving the train station there.

Between the Saloon show, opry house, many of the most popular rides already being around the area....how in the world can ya add the masses of people who come on and off that train?  Plus adding OR shortcut? The stations current location is basically dead without the station around.  That corner by the saloon is already Times Square of SDC....lol

Anyone know if they would 'close' the current loop? or would it stay open?  It would be kinda tough on everyone if that had to go up by OR to complete the loop. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 18, 2022, 11:54:42 AM
Opening the pathway as Swoosh mentioned will help with flow. Plus, simply having a station capable of holding a trainful of guests will be a big improvement and keep people siloed.

I think the area around the current station plus Flooded Mine is inevitably scheduled for yet another "area refresh" that will see mass bulldozing and starting over with some new quirky attraction that will be designed to grab people's attention. I posted more about my thoughts on that in the long term discussion thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 18, 2022, 07:18:12 PM
So just a timeline thought....

Currently construction is ongoing for the new FITH...with anticipation of opening in 2023.

So when will the deconstruction of the old FITH and construction of the new area, loop, and train station take place? Would that wait until after next season 2022 and continue construction through the 2023 season? Then open that area in 2024? Or would SDC close the old FITH mid season in 2022 to have everything done for 2023?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 18, 2022, 10:48:39 PM
Current speculation is the demo will likely take place in either the 2022 off season or sometime in 2023, but no later than the 2023 off season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 19, 2022, 11:28:27 AM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2022, 12:41:00 PM
Announcing FiTH removal better come with a lot of focus on a new ride and big explanation on why it can't be saved.  Going to be a PR challenge.  Not sure if there is another ride in the park that will be more missed by the general public SDC regulars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2022, 01:01:47 PM
Clarification Questions?

Are they planning a loop from fireman's landing around the lake to Wilsons farm?  Not sure where the building is there planning.  if they loop over the train maintenance buildings that would open up so new land.....and possible backgate like place for resort/hotel off 76. 

Plus a loop from Wilsons Farm to Opry House? 

Is the new Building behind the Landings Restooms/Flyer....across the tracks I assume in the current 'backlot'....or is is behind the exposition hall....behind firefall?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2022, 07:31:49 PM
Clarification Questions?

Are they planning a loop from fireman's landing around the lake to Wilsons farm?  Not sure where the building is there planning.  if they loop over the train maintenance buildings that would open up so new land.....and possible backgate like place for resort/hotel off 76. 

Plus a loop from Wilsons Farm to Opry House? 

Is the new Building behind the Landings Restooms/Flyer....across the tracks I assume in the current 'backlot'....or is is behind the exposition hall....behind firefall?

Only new loop would be Western area to Opry House.  The only loop that FL will see is around Lake Silver when that pathway is open. 

FITH 2.0 is in Shad’s parking lot which is directly across the tracks from the kiddie drop tower and parallel to the Firehouse Playhouse. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on January 20, 2022, 08:44:05 AM
Announcing FiTH removal better come with a lot of focus on a new ride and big explanation on why it can't be saved.  Going to be a PR challenge.  Not sure if there is another ride in the park that will be more missed by the general public SDC regulars.

You are assuming that the PTB care what we think.  They obviously do not.  We are not their target audience.  The general public and SDC regulars are two different groups, and the former is by far the larger and therefore the one of interest to them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 20, 2022, 12:11:59 PM
Yeah, they will want to move past the disappointment in FITH closing ASAP. There won't be any discussion on why FITH can't be saved and they certainly don't want to dive into all that pubicly. Imagine trying to communicate to your average FB audience why a building has had numerous issues for decades and yet has been allowed to continue to operate as a ride. They'd probably be open to a lawsuit if people realized how much mold is in the building, lol. Not to mention the basic aspect of not wanting to bum people out by talking about all the historic elements and memories that will be lost.

All focus will be on marketing the new ride, and therefore tickets/passes to the park. That's the business after all.

I just want them to save the mural and bring back some of the iconic scenes. If there isn't a Red Flanders scene in the new version we'll know they don't care anymore. Somehow I have a feeling he will make the jump though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 20, 2022, 01:06:55 PM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.

Since they are not building the new FITH where the old one stands would they need to close the old one before the end of the season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 21, 2022, 08:47:08 AM
I saw a well-known SDC employee make a reference on Facebook awhile back about SDC having auctions from time-to-time. What is the possibility that the general public could buy "artifacts" from FITH? I would love having something from that ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 21, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.

Since they are not building the new FITH where the old one stands would they need to close the old one before the end of the season?

They would if the rumor is true about them building a new train station in the area is true, assuming they would also do that for 2023 and not make that a 2024 project. I'm sure they would want to start razing the area ASAP since it will take so much work to get everything ready. We'll see what happens, I just wouldn't count on being able to ride it all the way through the end of the year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 21, 2022, 05:53:08 PM
^ Wishful thinking on my part.  It would be great to have it open during OTC if the weather shuts the other rides down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 21, 2022, 11:47:23 PM
The Fire in the Hole specific 2022 job listing goes through the end of the season. Not that they couldn’t transfer them to another position later, but on the surface, this looks like it will be open all season. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 22, 2022, 10:40:10 AM
^ Great!  Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 22, 2022, 08:54:40 PM
I saw a well-known SDC employee make a reference on Facebook awhile back about SDC having auctions from time-to-time. What is the possibility that the general public could buy "artifacts" from FITH? I would love having something from that ride.

Now, what would you possibly do with that picture of the guy with his foot hanging out? :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on January 24, 2022, 11:23:46 AM
They’ve started to pour concrete for the foundation of the new building/area
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on January 27, 2022, 01:29:05 PM


Only new loop would be Western area to Opry House.  The only loop that FL will see is around Lake Silver when that pathway is open. 

FITH 2.0 is in Shad’s parking lot which is directly across the tracks from the kiddie drop tower and parallel to the Firehouse Playhouse.

Are you saying there will be a complete loop/pathway around the lake so Fireman's landing isn't a dead end?

Connecting Opry House to Western Area isn't much of a loop but seems rather more of a connection.  Hopefully it will bring more traffic to the out of the way Outlaw Run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 27, 2022, 02:30:59 PM
Are you saying there will be a complete loop/pathway around the lake so Fireman's landing isn't a dead end?

The loop around Lake Silver was open part of the 2021 season.



Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on January 27, 2022, 03:02:47 PM
Are you saying there will be a complete loop/pathway around the lake so Fireman's landing isn't a dead end?

The loop around Lake Silver was open part of the 2021 season.

Whoa!  I did not know about this path.  Looks very nice.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 31, 2022, 04:07:40 PM
In regard to construction. I'm hearing reports that concrete is being poured...which means that vertical construction should be going up fairly soon (depending on cure, strength requirements, etc.).

I'm wondering if SDC will try to keep everything secret by wrapping the interior construction by building the outside walls of the structure first then placing track on the inside? Are there any locals that can give a drive by sometime to let us know what they see?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on February 10, 2022, 03:00:17 PM
Any updates? I’m dying here!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on February 10, 2022, 07:45:04 PM
Any updates? I’m dying here!
They've gone "vertical" now, they've started doing concrete walls above the foundation towards the highway on the building.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 17, 2022, 12:13:14 PM
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The loop around Lake Silver was open part of the 2021 season.

What did this connect too?  I was unable to see the new ride last year but trying to imagine where this would lead. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 17, 2022, 02:21:30 PM
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The loop around Lake Silver was open part of the 2021 season.

What did this connect too?  I was unable to see the new ride last year but trying to imagine where this would lead.

It connects the exit area of Mystic River Falls and the restrooms in Fireman’s Landing.
It it not actually shown on the map in the app.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 17, 2022, 09:20:41 PM
PROJECT 2023 UPDATE = March 16, 2022 (Opening Day)
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/03/project-2023-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 17, 2022, 10:04:50 PM
PROJECT 2023 UPDATE = March 16, 2022 (Opening Day)
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/03/project-2023-sdc.html

Nice photo reports, today, Swoosh.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 17, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
Are we thinking that the little swings will be moving to the new peninsula to make way for an entrance to the new ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2022, 06:13:21 AM
Are we thinking that the little swings will be moving to the new peninsula to make way for an entrance to the new ride?

Neither confirming or denying that rumor. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 18, 2022, 11:45:50 AM
PROJECT 2023 UPDATE = March 16, 2022 (Opening Day)
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/03/project-2023-sdc.html

Oh look an antique Ford work truck, lol.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on March 18, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Well I am happy to see that there will be a splashdown...and...it seems to be in the same location as the one in the current FITH; this gives me some hope that maybe the ride layout will be similar.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on March 18, 2022, 07:07:21 PM
Thanks for this update Swoosh!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: krash9924 on March 19, 2022, 08:57:04 AM
Was at the park yesterday, shocked at the state FITH was in. Most of the ride was completely devoid of any sound or noise. Track was the roughest ever, my kids compared it to the Screaming Eagle or Ninja as far as how you feel after. Sad and shocked to see FITH leave this way...
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on March 19, 2022, 09:40:47 PM
All of the sounds and effects seemed to be working normally to me when I was there this week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Polarfire on April 07, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
New to this board but a long-time SDC fan/visitor, born in '76 and been going to SDC since 1980. Sad to hear FitH is going away (it's my favorite ride) but I'm not surprised. It was my introduction to roller coasters and was also my daughter's! We have fond memories together there and have season passes so we will enjoy it this last year. I've been saddened that many of the older "legacy" buildings and "easter eggs" around the park have deteriorated and been forgotten. The "ghost trap", the "peep holes", the fireman's cemetery...my daughter's favorite is FM and Grandfather's Mansion which have both lost their luster in my eyes but she loves them (she is 9). I've conveyed my concerns about the park losing its history and charm every year when I receive the questionnaire as a season pass holder. I understand the need to continue to grow and expand to accommodate the growing crowds, attract new visitors, and stay compliant with safety and accessibility but it's all the small details that make it all special. Don't get me started on the loss of SDC made crafts that can be bought for decent prices being replaced by forigen-made trinkets that don't have anything to do with the 1880's.  >:( Anyway, I'm excited to see the new additions and finally be able to walk all the way around Lake Silver!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on April 07, 2022, 08:44:34 PM
New to this board but a long-time SDC fan/visitor, born in '76 and been going to SDC since 1980. Sad to hear FitH is going away (it's my favorite ride) but I'm not surprised. It was my introduction to roller coasters and was also my daughter's! We have fond memories together there and have season passes so we will enjoy it this last year. I've been saddened that many of the older "legacy" buildings and "easter eggs" around the park have deteriorated and been forgotten. The "ghost trap", the "peep holes", the fireman's cemetery...my daughter's favorite is FM and Grandfather's Mansion which have both lost their luster in my eyes but she loves them (she is 9). I've conveyed my concerns about the park losing its history and charm every year when I receive the questionnaire as a season pass holder. I understand the need to continue to grow and expand to accommodate the growing crowds, attract new visitors, and stay compliant with safety and accessibility but it's all the small details that make it all special. Don't get me started on the loss of SDC made crafts that can be bought for decent prices being replaced by forigen-made trinkets that don't have anything to do with the 1880's.  >:( Anyway, I'm excited to see the new additions and finally be able to walk all the way around Lake Silver!

Welcome to the forum!  You're in the right place, as most of us - the true thematic connoisseurs of SDC - share the opinions you shared.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 11, 2022, 04:05:09 PM
No matter how well they do with the storyline and effects on the new ride.  There will be feeling of lose to SDCs felt about losing the original ride.

Anyone have insights to who is helping building it?  I assume it won't be an SDC maintenance dept original like the first.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on April 11, 2022, 06:59:28 PM
RMC is doing the powered train car for the ride and presumably the track, while most of the props will be done by SDC M&C.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 12, 2022, 08:41:36 AM
RMC is doing the powered train car for the ride and presumably the track, while most of the props will be done by SDC M&C.

That's great news!!!  Lightning Rod jokes aside.....have they done a project like this before?  SDC get another first time discount from them?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on April 12, 2022, 09:01:20 AM
Lost River to Mystic River was fairly major in my opinion.  Faster, wetter and much bigger drop from the little cave on Lost River.  What does everyone think are going to be the biggest changes on the new FITH?  I think a good bet is it will be at least slightly faster than the old.  I would also think probably a lot smoother with less track noise.  Also wonder if drops will be higher and possibly a longer duration of the actual ride which is now around 3:15.  I picture the visual effects being about the same or at least very familiar.  Interesting to think about how the ride will change from old to new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 12, 2022, 10:05:23 AM
I hope that they can some how find a way to keep a low minimum height for the ride. Fire in the Hole is currently 36".
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 12, 2022, 03:26:06 PM
Interesting to think about how the ride will change from old to new.

There is so much that could be done with that story line and the new coaster technology. At the burning bridge you could have a track drop like Verbolton/Harry Potter, you could have a backwards launch section from an explosion like Fire Chaser, multiple switch tracks like Harry Potter/Mummy, etc.

So much innovation since the original FITH, so it's going to be fun to see what all SDC plans to include in the New FITH. And what age they really target for this ride.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on April 12, 2022, 04:30:34 PM
Also wonder if drops will be higher and possibly a longer duration of the actual ride which is now around 3:15.

FITH used to be longer.  A portion of the track was removed in 1982 making the ride shorter according to wikipedia. Also let's take a moment of silence to remember the young 23 year old who died on the ride July 9, 1980,
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 12, 2022, 09:45:36 PM
Not too thrilled with the RMC rumor for some obvious reasons. While I know they did a good job on Blazing Fury's refurb I just hope they don't reuse those uncomfortable cars and lapbars they have on their regular coasters. It would be cool if they refurb the Original FITH cars as I recall Dollywood did something similar with theirs IIRC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: blatym on April 13, 2022, 09:25:30 AM
I will say the Gurstlaur trains are so much better on the two Texas RMC's. Wish there was a way for outlaw run to get something similar but I don't expect to have any "normal" RMC trains if they are in charge of the project. Fingers crossed they will be nice and comfortable!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 13, 2022, 11:17:21 AM
Not too thrilled with the RMC rumor for some obvious reasons. While I know they did a good job on Blazing Fury's refurb I just hope they don't reuse those uncomfortable cars and lapbars they have on their regular coasters. It would be cool if they refurb the Original FITH cars as I recall Dollywood did something similar with theirs IIRC.

After the LR situation....I'm glad HFE and RMC still have a relationship to do more projects....from an outsiders view the two companies seem like a good fit to continue to work together (both family non-corp businesses).  Can't deny RMCs make incredible rides.  I wouldn't mind SDC being the first with a T-Rex track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2022, 09:47:10 PM
If anyone cares, the building has gone vertical
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 14, 2022, 09:00:52 AM
If anyone cares, the building has gone vertical

Thank you Swoosh, I might have to head up there again soon to check it out and grab some street food.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on April 14, 2022, 11:24:59 AM
The building seems to be taller than the original
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 14, 2022, 01:02:28 PM
People have been telling me that it already towers over Fireman's Landing... I hope they theme it up nicely rather than making it a box warehouse looking thing on three sides. At least it will be similar in size to the old FITH. We'll see what insanity they try to pull off while still calling it a "family ride" though. It's tall enough to hide a sizeable drop track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 14, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Wow. Wasn't expecting that. Looks to be quite a bit taller than the current Fire in the Hole.
Saw a picture on FB. It was taken while on a ride so I'm not sharing it here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime on April 14, 2022, 09:52:17 PM
Was on park today. Perimeter building framework is going up. Can be seen from Several points in the city and Hwy 76. For me, the building looks considerably larger than the existing FITH. Side note: rode FITH today for what could be my last time ever. I was pleasantly surprised to see and hear everything in working order. Dare I say, things even looked spruced up from when I last rode it a couple year ago.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 14, 2022, 09:59:03 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/u3x0n7/fire_in_the_hole_20_sdc_gravity_building_has_gone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: underdog250 on April 20, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Wow, thank you for the updates Swoosh! Yeah, the building does look taller but it could be a matter of perspective. Has anyone gotten wind of SDC interior designs? I'd love to have an actual animatronic or two in the ride versus the 40+ old mannequins. I don't want to give my hopes up too much as I know SDC typically goes pretty minimal with set dressing for cost/time but technology has advanced so much in the last few decades.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on April 22, 2022, 10:52:13 AM
Here's a quick picture of the FITH building from Hwy 76 on 4/21
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on April 22, 2022, 10:53:36 AM
Not sure what I was expecting but this is way closer to the road than I thought it would be.


Here's a quick picture of the FITH building from Hwy 76 on 4/21
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on April 22, 2022, 04:08:59 PM
Wow, thank you for the updates Swoosh! Yeah, the building does look taller but it could be a matter of perspective. Has anyone gotten wind of SDC interior designs? I'd love to have an actual animatronic or two in the ride versus the 40+ old mannequins. I don't want to give my hopes up too much as I know SDC typically goes pretty minimal with set dressing for cost/time but technology has advanced so much in the last few decades.

The dark ride pitches from a couple of years ago were pretty inclusive with the technology (At least they seemed to be.), but they weren't with a FitH theme.  It seems we're headed to the fire theme - at the least with its location - but hopefully the tech and dressing are full-on inclusive.  Do you put in something halfway in the dark ride department these days?  You can short-change the theming on a roller coaster and the public won't miss it, but I think the audience will know if you cheap out on this one.  Dark rides are all about theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on April 22, 2022, 08:02:45 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 24, 2022, 08:12:19 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on April 25, 2022, 10:20:12 AM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)

wowzers. I am very excited for this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 25, 2022, 08:58:37 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)

wowzers. I am very excited for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/uc0nqy/fire_in_the_hole_v20_sdc_different_angles_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on April 25, 2022, 10:32:28 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)

wowzers. I am very excited for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/uc0nqy/fire_in_the_hole_v20_sdc_different_angles_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very intrigued on how they're going to get the track in there if they're building the show-building first
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 25, 2022, 10:34:42 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)

wowzers. I am very excited for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/uc0nqy/fire_in_the_hole_v20_sdc_different_angles_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very intrigued on how they're going to get the track in there if they're building the show-building first

I’m guessing the same way any indoor coaster is built.  For reference see Tron or Guardians of the Galaxy Construction photos
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on April 26, 2022, 09:08:17 PM
I wonder how much bigger this will end up?

The building will be twice the size of the current FITH (height and square footage)

wowzers. I am very excited for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/uc0nqy/fire_in_the_hole_v20_sdc_different_angles_of_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Very intrigued on how they're going to get the track in there if they're building the show-building first

I’m guessing the same way any indoor coaster is built.  For reference see Tron or Guardians of the Galaxy Construction photos


To be fair Tron had its track erected and then the building. GoTG’s building is much bigger and could accommodate a large crane easily. This will def take some ingenuity and is a reasonable question for someone to have.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 26, 2022, 09:50:20 PM
They could leave half the building incomplete (open) and bring the track in through that opening. The current open area is close to the maintenance area, roadway, etc. - so maybe they just leave that open for a while? If it is an RMC, they do know how to thread the needle with their track construction so they have that experience going for them.

I find it interesting they do not have a large number of bolts/footers in the concrete slab, so maybe the track system will be somewhat self supporting (kind of like a traveling coaster) or they could end up using a Hilti type system to attach the supports to the building foundation? It will be fun to watch this go up this year.

So with that one side of the building going up, do you think they go ahead and remove the shipping crate wall and project the pumpkins on the side of the building?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 28, 2022, 10:59:31 PM
They could leave half the building incomplete (open) and bring the track in through that opening. The current open area is close to the maintenance area, roadway, etc. - so maybe they just leave that open for a while? If it is an RMC, they do know how to thread the needle with their track construction so they have that experience going for them.

I find it interesting they do not have a large number of bolts/footers in the concrete slab, so maybe the track system will be somewhat self supporting (kind of like a traveling coaster) or they could end up using a Hilti type system to attach the supports to the building foundation? It will be fun to watch this go up this year.

So with that one side of the building going up, do you think they go ahead and remove the shipping crate wall and project the pumpkins on the side of the building?

Jay

The cement slab base is full of rebar and is essentially one big footer
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 29, 2022, 04:33:50 PM
Correct Swoosh, the comment was in regard how the were going to attach the track system to the very large footer. Will they be using a self supporting sytem or one that attaches using a bolt anchoring system such as a Hilti epoxy where they drill bolts and anchor with epoxy.

As an engineer, it’s those “nerdy” things that we like to watch.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on May 01, 2022, 02:36:35 PM
More steel has arrived and is being prepared to be put up. There is also more concrete being poured on the NW end of the area. I’m guessing that it is the station area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: underdog250 on May 02, 2022, 08:50:01 AM
I'm starting to get really excited as construction continues. I had no idea how much larger the show building was going to be. As a HUGE dark ride fan I can't think of a dark ride or at least indoor rollercoaster with theming that's been completed in this area since well..Flooded Mine? Worlds of Fun has zero dark rides and Six Flags has Justice League (formerly Scooby-Doo! Ghostblasters). Driving to Dollywood for Mystery Mine & Blazing Fury was definitely worth it seeing. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 03, 2022, 07:19:25 AM
I'm starting to get really excited as construction continues. I had no idea how much larger the show building was going to be. As a HUGE dark ride fan I can't think of a dark ride or at least indoor rollercoaster with theming that's been completed in this area since well..Flooded Mine? Worlds of Fun has zero dark rides and Six Flags has Justice League (formerly Scooby-Doo! Ghostblasters). Driving to Dollywood for Mystery Mine & Blazing Fury was definitely worth it seeing.

Actually, Six Flags Over Texas has Justice League, Runaway Mountain, and Pirates of Speelunker Cave has an official date of opening on May 14, with a preview date for members and a commercial being filmed on May 13. Six Flags Over Texas will now have 3 dark rides total. All Six Flags parks are different, but most have Justice League.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: joshblakebran on May 03, 2022, 02:20:09 PM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.

I like the history of the cemetery, be we got to the point that with the smoking area being right there, it made it unenjoyable. We haven't been able to make it down there the last few years so I don't know if that is still the case or not.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on May 06, 2022, 12:48:32 PM
Any idea if the name FIRE IN THE HOLE will stay or if they plan to rename it entirely?

I, of course, would prefer the name to stay the same....but I am guessing they change it like with LROTO into MRF.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 06, 2022, 01:04:52 PM
There's a good chance they will change the name. They are spending millions on a new ride, so the marketing has to be as effective as possible, and that means labeling it as a brand new ride and not as a re-invention of an old one. Plus, Fire-in-the-hole never really rolled off the tongue. There's also the likelihood that the theme will change quite a bit anyway, since we've always expected the baldknobbers to get the boot... It'll probably still be fire themed, but probably much closer to Blazing Fury at Dollywood.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on May 06, 2022, 05:08:24 PM
The bridge drop effect is cool in Blazing Fury, but the end is really bad with the fake water light effect and explosion sound. Also, the train light not moving was weird.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 06, 2022, 06:24:37 PM
Methinks some people assume a lot in their speculations here.  That's what we do, and it's a whole lot of fun.  Usually.

I going to wait, with fingers crossed, on this one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 07, 2022, 12:26:32 AM
Yeah best to keep expectations low.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdclover6 on May 09, 2022, 08:32:45 AM
FIRE IN THE HOLE is the only reason i go to Silver Dollar City!!!!! If new ride isn't somewhat like the old one, I don't know if i will be back!!!  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 10, 2022, 09:25:58 AM
^ I know we all want the new ride to be very similar to the old ride. But there is so much they can do now with ride technology that couldn't have been done in 1972, so why limit SDC and the designers to 1972?

What I'm hoping for is a ride that works at a high capacity and is family friendly, While giving a nod to Fire in the Hole.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on May 10, 2022, 02:07:47 PM
If they include the Red Flanders gag as a nod to the original, I'll consider it a win.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on May 10, 2022, 02:25:24 PM
^ Good point!  They have to keep Red Flanders!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on May 10, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
If they include the Red Flanders gag as a nod to the original, I'll consider it a win.

My favorite part of FITH. Even if its just a sign in the queue, they need to have some sort of homage to poor Mr. Flanders stolen pants.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 15, 2022, 11:35:54 AM
I am hoping they keep the soundtrack in place.  I just watched a POV of a New Pirate Ride in Six Flags and noted what a difference a song makes.  The great dark rides at Disney, they all have original songs.  The music in FITH really makes a difference.  Consider all the comments I have seen on the past about the sound not working.   I feel like even at 50 years old the song and banter are timeless. Thoughts?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on May 16, 2022, 08:15:51 AM
I agree about the song...it must stay. It's as important as poor Red Flanders' britches.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on May 16, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
I love the song!  They also need to keep the "Here's a barrel of laughs!" Baldknobber.  The whole ride is iconic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 16, 2022, 04:11:05 PM
I appreciate the sentiments expressed here as I share them too but as I mentioned before it's likely best to keep expectations low.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on May 16, 2022, 04:47:47 PM
As much as I love the ride I do hope they keep the same story line but update with modern technology. Static dummies should give way to projection screens that really pop out at you. I’m just hoping for a good mix of storytelling and modern effects.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on May 16, 2022, 06:35:43 PM
I would be willing to bet the new ride has very little if anything in common with the old ride
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 16, 2022, 07:10:45 PM
Here's a sign of the changes at HFE.  We used to speak in hopeful language; now we expect less from them.

I remain hopeful, but I am expecting sparkle without substance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on May 17, 2022, 12:04:40 AM
^ I know we all want the new ride to be very similar to the old ride.
Not everyone even knows what "the old ride" was, because it has changed over the years. Not just the scening and effects, but the route itself.

Some changes were for obvious safety reasons (after that horrible accident), others to speed through-put, and some because changes were quicker and cheaper than repairs.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Furyman on May 20, 2022, 06:54:58 PM
If anyone goes to the city any time soon, can you snap some photos of the progress of the "mystery building"?

It will be sad to see FITH 1.0 go, but very interesting to see how they do FITH 2.0.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on May 22, 2022, 01:50:35 PM
Photo update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 23, 2022, 07:58:38 AM
The simi trucks really help to give it scale.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on May 24, 2022, 04:36:33 AM
And we’re sure this isn’t a new theater?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 26, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
Update from Wednesday 5/25
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/05/project-2023-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on May 26, 2022, 11:33:45 PM
I don’t believe any of the Pumpkin wall has been removed. You can see the supports for the Pumpkins lettering sign on top of the wall still there in the top center.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on May 27, 2022, 12:27:52 AM
I was in park and while watching mystic river refill, I was standing near Fire in the hole. If you really look that original building is very large also, much bigger than you think. I think its not as large as the new building but pretty close overall.

my two cents
Kevin

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
I was in park and while watching mystic river refill, I was standing near Fire in the hole. If you really look that original building is very large also, much bigger than you think. I think its not as large as the new building but pretty close overall.

my two cents
Kevin

The new building is almost twice as tall.  It’s wider and it’s deeper. 
It’s going to be a bigger ride… much bigger

I don’t believe any of the Pumpkin wall has been removed. You can see the supports for the Pumpkins lettering sign on top of the wall still there in the top center.

Ok.  Maybe it was just the angle
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 14, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Project 2023 Update

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/06/project-2023-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on June 16, 2022, 08:32:43 AM
Those are some great pictures..  love the Semi trailer, just sitting there.  Looks like a Demo trailer..  they may be throwing excess steel parts into it for disposal..
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on June 16, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they planted trees along the highway side of the building when construction is done, allowing it to be "hidden" with the dark brown siding. If they are installing windows, that would be interesting. It'd be hard to do the night scenes with natural light coming in.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on June 16, 2022, 01:52:01 PM
They could also use the same kind of vine planting they have now on the original. That building isn't the prettiest when the leaves are not on the vines. But driving next to that part of the park with all the maintenance buildings, storage, etc. - isn't the prettiest of sights anyhow, so they might just leave as a big brown box.

Maybe the window block outs are more for a façade and not true windows? Maybe?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2022, 03:52:02 AM
They’re not putting in windows.  Why would you think they putting in windows. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on June 17, 2022, 07:41:00 AM
I think they took your “order We have what looks like a window pattern going…” to mean actual windows and not as a architectural design element.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2022, 09:53:26 PM
There’s barely enough room for a queue let alone a gift shop and why would they take photos on a coaster that will be mainly in the dark.  Seriously?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on June 18, 2022, 07:14:47 AM
There’s barely enough room for a queue let alone a gift shop and why would they take photos on a coaster that will be mainly in the dark.  Seriously?

$$$$$$ on ride photos are easy money. They wouldn’t be the first place to have photos on a dark ride. I’m not saying that it will happen, just trying to point out that is not as unreasonable as you seem to think.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on June 18, 2022, 08:05:10 AM
There’s barely enough room for a queue let alone a gift shop and why would they take photos on a coaster that will be mainly in the dark.  Seriously?

Honest question - why the attitude, Swoosh?  Your information is entertaining and I appreciate your posts, but I just don’t see the need for foul language or belittling others.  This is a fan site.  We’re all here to share our love of SDC.  Cheers.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on June 18, 2022, 09:06:49 AM
There’s barely enough room for a queue let alone a gift shop and why would they take photos on a coaster that will be mainly in the dark.  Seriously?
Because ride photos are easy $$$$$ for the park, and the cameras have a flash on them? How do you think they do photos in moonlight madness? This ride will have photos on it 100%
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on June 18, 2022, 02:38:22 PM
I hope they do something with the highway side. Otherwise, it's going to look like a warehouse.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 18, 2022, 06:32:41 PM
I hope they do something with the highway side. Otherwise, it's going to look like a warehouse.

It doesn't really matter from the outside.  I was able to go almost all the way around the backstage areas of EPCOT, and as you can imagine, the illusion on the inside of the park is completely shattered on the outside.  Of course, Disney didn't let me photograph back there, but it is very much industrial- and warehouse-based. 

Of course, the backside of Red Gold looks like a warehouse from the INSIDE of the park - in GE.  That's still inexcusable in my opinion.

I would suggest that they use the new building as signage facing the highway.  A huge SDC sign/mural could be a really cool first look at the park - as long as it's not cheaply done. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2022, 01:23:44 AM
I hope they do something with the highway side. Otherwise, it's going to look like a warehouse.

Why would that matter? It’s the Highway side not the park
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on June 19, 2022, 09:17:25 PM
The “windowed” area now has brown metal in it.

No pictures of it, but the power poles along the trail from Pumpkin Plaza now have wires going between them and some going across the path. Assume that these are to hang the various festival decorations from.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on June 20, 2022, 12:03:15 AM
I hope they do something with the highway side. Otherwise, it's going to look like a warehouse.

Why would that matter? It’s the Highway side not the park

It's IN the park, so it IS the park. Everyone driving past knows it's the park.

Theming matters even before you step through the gates. That's why they have themed ads and road signs before you reach the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on June 20, 2022, 08:34:05 AM
Craig,

I understand what you're saying, but SDC hasn't really cared about that area for a long time. For the last several  years as you drive by you could easily see the Cargo Crate Halloween plaza wall, the stored holiday booths, ride parts, metal maintenance buildings, the back of fireman's landing, etc. - they really have treated that area as "back of the house" even if you can see it.

The Red Gold theater is only painted red with a Grand Exposition logo on the side of it...so maybe if we're lucky, it won't stay as a brown box and they'll use it as a billboard with some cool SDC pictures on the side of the building.

I wonder what Mary would have done?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on June 20, 2022, 08:46:35 AM
There is another thread for that :o
But...the answer is she is already spinning in her grave.... ;D

The reality is that things change (some good / some bad) and we need to focus on the good (but we can still share our thoughts with those in charge and hope they listen)

As much as we all love this park (or why are we all on a board dedicated to it) - it is still just a theme park and the primary goal is to make money (just reality)


I wonder what Mary would have done?

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Cseeley on June 22, 2022, 05:02:53 PM
Will this coaster use the same layout or will this have a different layout? I would love to see a drop track, or possibly a high speed switch track. And from the rumors will the coaster be manufactured by RMC?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on June 23, 2022, 11:47:50 PM
Will this coaster use the same layout or will this have a different layout? I would love to see a drop track, or possibly a high speed switch track. And from the rumors will the coaster be manufactured by RMC?

SDC is probably going in the family direction for the ride, given that this is going to be replacing a family favorite. A drop track is definitely a possibility and something I would love to see on the new ride. RMC I believe is all but confirmed to be the manufacturer for the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Will this coaster use the same layout or will this have a different layout? I would love to see a drop track, or possibly a high speed switch track. And from the rumors will the coaster be manufactured by RMC?

SDC is probably going in the family direction for the ride, given that this is going to be replacing a family favorite. A drop track is definitely a possibility and something I would love to see on the new ride. RMC I believe is all but confirmed to be the manufacturer for the ride.

The building is taller and is not the same shape as the other making it extremely unlikely they’ll be the same layout.

Please note ALL coasters at SDC are considered “family”. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on June 27, 2022, 10:18:24 AM

The building is taller and is not the same shape as the other making it extremely unlikely they’ll be the same layout.

Please note ALL coasters at SDC are considered “family”.

lol they consider Time Traveler a family ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 27, 2022, 12:31:54 PM
Whats the chance this is for 2024 and not 2023? Normally announcements happen in August but by now we’d have a teaser campaign of some kind and the park is completely silent on this. Im seriously starting to wonder.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 27, 2022, 01:33:28 PM
Whats the chance this is for 2024 and not 2023? Normally announcements happen in August but by now we’d have a teaser campaign of some kind and the park is completely silent on this. Im seriously starting to wonder.

I'm beginning to suspect it's getting pushed back a year myself. Been seeing some ramblings on social media that FITH may yet see another season after all. The lack of a teaser campaign and with what all would be involved to make anything even remotely faithful to FITH in the current timeframe, they are way behind on that aspect to get things done. The building at least should have been finished by now if we were to realistically see anything for 2023.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2022, 10:21:28 AM
Whats the chance this is for 2024 and not 2023? Normally announcements happen in August but by now we’d have a teaser campaign of some kind and the park is completely silent on this. Im seriously starting to wonder.

I'm beginning to suspect it's getting pushed back a year myself. Been seeing some ramblings on social media that FITH may yet see another season after all. The lack of a teaser campaign and with what all would be involved to make anything even remotely faithful to FITH in the current timeframe, they are way behind on that aspect to get things done. The building at least should have been finished by now if we were to realistically see anything for 2023.

No park has started their teaser campaigns yet for 2023.  WOF is also getting a coaster, their first since Prowler, and you can bet they’ll make a big deal out of it (and their 50th)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2022, 12:34:59 PM
Will this coaster use the same layout or will this have a different layout? I would love to see a drop track, or possibly a high speed switch track. And from the rumors will the coaster be manufactured by RMC?

SDC is probably going in the family direction for the ride, given that this is going to be replacing a family favorite. A drop track is definitely a possibility and something I would love to see on the new ride. RMC I believe is all but confirmed to be the manufacturer for the ride.

The building is taller and is not the same shape as the other making it extremely unlikely they’ll be the same layout.

Please note ALL coasters at SDC are considered “family”.

I imagine that the definition of "family coaster" is pretty fluid and subjective.  The main Disney Imagineer who designed Guardians of the Galaxy:  Cosmic Rewind for EPCOT explained to me that the major factor in claiming it is a family ride is that it was designed with a low center of gravity so smaller people can ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 07, 2022, 10:24:47 AM
Whats the chance this is for 2024 and not 2023? Normally announcements happen in August but by now we’d have a teaser campaign of some kind and the park is completely silent on this. Im seriously starting to wonder.

Zero chance.
To quote Allison Hargreeves from the Umbrella Academy…
“I heard a rumor….” that the current FITH will close after Christmas (perhaps will make it to end of the season” and the new one will open during Spring Ride Days.  I heard another that the only thing they plan to save from the current ride is the mural IF it can even be moved. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 15, 2022, 06:12:26 PM
We forget that back in the olden days parks used to start on their new rides in the fall and have them open by Memorial day. SDC has often started earlier and opened their rides earlier, but the trend of taking two years to build something is somewhat recent. With standard construction schedules, there's no reason they can't build a coaster from the ground up in six months. They've got over 7 months until the park opens for spring 2023 and the building itself is already mostly done, so they just have to get the actual ride setup. I assume most of the fabrication is being done somewhere else rather than having to build the track like they probably did with the original FITH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 15, 2022, 08:11:17 PM
All of RMC’s track is prefabbed at their factory in Idaho and shipped to the construction site.  I imagine the set pieces are also being constructed off site and once installation begins it will go quite quickly. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on July 19, 2022, 10:45:44 PM
All of RMC’s track is prefabbed at their factory in Idaho and shipped to the construction site.  I imagine the set pieces are also being constructed off site and once installation begins it will go quite quickly.

I don't doubt that you're correct on the build schedule.

What about the theming? Will it be more outsourced computer-printed signs? Or will the park spend a few bucks for human-sourced theming?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 25, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
The park did a tremendous job with the Mystic River Falls theming, including in the waiting areas. They have the capability to do some tremendous theming still. I'm sure it will look good inside. I'm also sure there will be a certain about of techy effects that will consistently break and be a headache - lol.

The latest photos that I've seen show the building exterior complete. It's going to be a long wait now to see much progress, I'd assume. The exterior sides facing the park will get a facade eventually I'm sure, but they don't have to do that until Winter.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: woodgrain on July 26, 2022, 10:14:28 AM
Are they going to be transferring the name over, or will there be a new name? There haven't been any trademark applications, yet, unlike the months leading up to the MRF announcement when the three names had been filed almost 6 months prior.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Cseeley on July 26, 2022, 07:57:50 PM
This 2023 opening is looking like it might not happen. I have not heard of any track pieces showing up or anything with the inside going on. I do not see this opening in 2023 and will be instead 2024. If any rumored stuff is true like a drop track this ride will need a good amount of testing done before opening. I believe that Time traveler started testing back in the winter of 2017.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2022, 08:11:38 PM
This 2023 opening is looking like it might not happen. I have not heard of any track pieces showing up or anything with the inside going on. I do not see this opening in 2023 and will be instead 2024. If any rumored stuff is true like a drop track this ride will need a good amount of testing done before opening. I believe that Time traveler started testing back in the winter of 2017.

Source: Trust Me, Bro. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on July 26, 2022, 08:31:02 PM
This 2023 opening is looking like it might not happen. I have not heard of any track pieces showing up or anything with the inside going on. I do not see this opening in 2023 and will be instead 2024. If any rumored stuff is true like a drop track this ride will need a good amount of testing done before opening. I believe that Time traveler started testing back in the winter of 2017.

Source: Trust Me, Bro.

Thank you, Mr. Kettle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 26, 2022, 10:42:07 PM
I like you.  You’re funny.   ;D

In all honesty we cannot use what has happened in the past as an indicator on how fast this project is progressing.  The fact that the build will be indoors changes everything.  They don’t have to worry about bad weather.  The footer is already in and cured.  All they have to do is install things now
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on July 27, 2022, 10:42:29 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the announcement in late August/early September about the ride and FiTH’s closing. At least I hope they don’t pull a Lost River and take it down without announcing it for final rides.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they start getting track during the fall, too. Like Swooosh said, weather won’t be a problem for installing track and scenery. They seem to be finishing up the roof so they may be waiting for that to be done
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on July 28, 2022, 09:11:13 PM
I would expect a lot of inside prep work doesn't need to wait for the exterior to be fully dried-in. Setting anchors, conduit and wiring, network cabling, air handling systems, etc. Normal building stuff, for buildings that include an indoor coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 01, 2022, 12:02:03 AM
There are new steel structures in the ride plaza area. They have also planted trees in the plaza.
The windows in the back of the FireHouse Play Place are quite dirty so it’s getting harder to get pictures.
It didn’t look like much was going on inside the building, but we were there close to dark.
The side facing Fireman’s Landing also has these squares. Not sure if they are to attach theming later on or what.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 01, 2022, 12:07:59 AM
Another view from the road.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 01, 2022, 08:35:49 AM
Thanks for the photos!

To me it looks like framework for the new façade. It doesn't look like a big area back there, but they'll probably close it in with some facades to make it feel like part of the city.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 04, 2022, 09:50:56 PM
Dollywood new project tease just started.  Wonder if SDC is coming soon. Maybe wait another month?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 04, 2022, 10:43:52 PM
Their tease started a few weeks ago and they are making their announcement tomorrow (Friday) at 11 eastern. Looks like it will be a livestream on their Facebook page.

I’m guessing that there is some level of coordination to not have multiple Herschend parks make their big announcements too close together.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on August 05, 2022, 05:51:45 PM
It’s incredibly odd they have done no type if teasing this late in the game! They are always teasing by now! I still have my doubts that this is for 2023 and that it may be 2024. Just seems out of character! And don’t tell me im wrong ive been following this park closely since I was a small child! This is not normal! Doesn’t mean it’s not for next year just weird to have no mention or teasers anywhere, and historically they generally announce new rides in August sooo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 05, 2022, 09:33:52 PM
It’s very early August and I’m guessing that the old playbook changes when you’re replacing a classic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 05, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
While on the train this evening they had the closest thing to a teaser yet regarding the construction as we passed it.

The conductor mentions: "You might notice that here construction across the way from where our firemen reside... as of right now it's just a hole in the wall. As for what it's gonna be blip blip blip blip I can't say or I'd get in big trouble."

That's some pretty clever wording to allude to FITH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2022, 12:14:33 PM
We now have markers on the fire damage site
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/08/city-update-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2022, 12:42:25 PM
Photo Update for the new Fireman's Landing Project
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/08/project-2023-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on August 08, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
Thank you Swoosh for the pictures - it is really hard to have patience with this project, so many questions with so little known to us without any inside information....

Disney does a great job of making the front of the house look amazing, and I thought SDC did a decent job with Red Heritage - but the part facing Grand Exposition is just a mural (granted it's nice looking but I think they could have done better). The current Fire in the Hole building isn't that grand during the winter and early spring months - but by summer the foliage has taken over and it blends well. So will there be foliage to blend the building, will there be murals, will there be a complete facade attached???? 

This building is really looking like a warehouse, not attractive at all, but I'm sure when it's done it will be acceptable and fit in with the park....but the waiting.....just tease us with a picture showing us what it's going to look like...

I need to learn patience.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Façades are going up on the gravity building and front of the load area

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on August 27, 2022, 04:23:50 PM
Any pictures of the facades going up? Can you tell what look they are trying to achieve with what has been installed so far?

I'm really surprised they haven't started teasing this thing yet.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 27, 2022, 08:11:59 PM
A few photos of the progress. Inside you can see HVAC and fire sprinkler work going on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on September 01, 2022, 10:32:45 AM
A little more progress on the facade.
 You can see some windows framed out in the facade by the entrance area that look they are using forced perspective to make the building appear taller(the windows get smaller as you go up each level on the building).
Maybe I’ve missed it but I noticed that there is a second garage door entrance to the building on the side by pumpkin plaza, right by the plaza shipping container wall. I don’t remember seeing that or hearing anything about it before.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on September 08, 2022, 10:48:43 PM
The waterfall behind lumbercamp has been shut off and the pond drained. Work on footings is taking place for whatever will replace Flossie’s.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on September 09, 2022, 08:42:11 AM
Well I hope they turn the waterfall back on before I visit next month. That's my favorite place in the park to eat!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 09, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
Wow, they are really expanding the area. Makes you wonder what they are trying to fit in considering they already had so much open area to work with.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 11, 2022, 10:31:12 AM
That side of the park is going to look so much different in the next couple of years. With this area changing and the Fire In The Hole area also changing - our park is going to be so different.

I wonder if they'll complete the Wildfire loop to the Powder Keg loop any time soon? A nice tall rotating drop ride would be cool out there on the point, something to get you up in the air so you can see the surrounding area.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 21, 2022, 10:34:17 AM
Getting pretty weird how long it has taken for them to make an announcement on this. As we've said before, they probably could finish it pretty quick since most of it is probably being constructed off-site and it's indoors so construction won't have to deal with weather delays, but it's still odd that it hasn't been announced or even teased. Mystic River and Fireman's Landing were both announced in August despite the fact that they had to close beloved former attractions for them.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 21, 2022, 03:07:06 PM
I read a trip report on another site that said they thought that FITH was running well and everything was operating appropriately (unlike the FM which seemed to be in poor condition). They also said they were able to look inside the big new building and the inside was empty??

It really does seem quiet regarding a big new attraction. I too would think that SDC would have promoted this a bit more by now, but then again - unlike Lost River - FITH is open everyday the park is open. So they could be waiting to give it a send off once the 2023 Season passes go on sale.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SharkWatch on September 23, 2022, 08:34:45 AM
For what it is worth, I was at the park this Sunday and here's a pic I snapped on the train. The building does appear to be empty right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on September 25, 2022, 11:05:53 PM
Work continues on the facade of the entrance plaza. The part I can’t quite figure out is the gap between the entrance area facade and the taller facade to the right. Maybe there will be another later added? Didn’t get a picture illustrating this gap.

It also looks like they are preparing to paint the white exterior sections.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 26, 2022, 10:12:58 AM
That facade seems to be more “modern” or “city-like” than the current one at FiTH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on September 28, 2022, 08:55:59 AM
That facade seems to be more “modern” or “city-like” than the current one at FiTH.

I thought the same thing. But hey...it's the 21st century. A 19th century theme park is so 20th century.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 28, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
We'll see. Still very early on. Hopefully they fully cover the building with façade and not just the entrance area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 29, 2022, 03:14:00 AM
That facade seems to be more “modern” or “city-like” than the current one at FiTH.

I have been noticing the additions to the park have been getting more of an Urbanized Late Victorian/Early Progressive Era style since adding in Firemans Landing. I wished they'd just come out with it already that they want to break away out of the 1880's Ozarks theme. You can bet that big new area cleared out by AP and the waterfall will follow the same "new and clean" look.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 29, 2022, 10:03:32 AM

Lack of warmth
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 29, 2022, 09:22:41 PM
It is well known that the park is going towards a more fantasized version of the 1880s now instead of the gritty style it has had in the past.  Expect more flowers and things you’d expect to see at Dollywood with regards to landscaping
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 30, 2022, 10:33:36 AM
It's always been a bit tongue in cheek with various historical elements, but now the theme is becoming simply "old"  with various steam punk elements. As we've discussed before, a lot of it has to do with the corporate structure and the fact that some decisions are made far away from the park by people who don't care/understand it's history. Plus the generational shift anyway. Few remember what SDC was once like before the deluge of roller coasters and rides.

But it's still very early. SDC still does a great job with theming, even if it's not always exactly 1880's anymore. I just want them to cover more of the building so it isn't an ugly box marring the city ambiance. At this point it's hard to tell if they plan on finishing it this year so they may be moving at a glacial pace until next fall...

Still no signs of track/props/inside stuff yet? There's still plenty of time if they plan on opening for 2023, just seems odd. I have been given lead times of 12 months on various pipe orders though, so supply chain issues are still very much an issue across many industries and they may be stuck in limbo due to that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: woodgrain on September 30, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Went a few nights ago and the lights were on inside the building. Did notice what looked to be a few anchor points attached to the floor but beyond that it’s all concrete floors and bare walls.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: orangesandpeaches on September 30, 2022, 12:50:23 PM
The more I walk by and look at it, the more I am thinking the ride will be receiving an overlay system like The Dark Knight and Verbolten, and less like a fixed wall system such as the Fire In The Hole Twins and Justice League Rides. Work has been taking place inside, as every once in a while, even thru the dirty windows, you can get a glimpse of workers on the lifts. Noticed from the highway pulling onto Indian Point that the HVAC has been installed on the roof.

 For that matter, Fire In The Hole does not seem like a ride that has a foot in the grave. I got hosed for the first time in a few years by the water cannon last week and theming elements that break are still getting repaired.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 30, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
Wrong info
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on September 30, 2022, 09:53:46 PM
That building has been there since the beginning, it’s the kids play area. That building is not part of the new ride.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on September 30, 2022, 10:19:33 PM
It has said that since 2015 when Fireman’s Landing opened. The FB post is crazy using that as proof to call it confirmed. It’s not truly confirmed until the City makes an announcement, no matter how much is pointing towards it already.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 30, 2022, 10:54:02 PM
That’s my bad, the facade blended in with it. I should’ve double checked the play area  :-X
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: underdog250 on October 03, 2022, 12:25:10 PM
I was at the park on Friday and this is what I was able to take while the lights were on at dusk. You can see the lift and some pallets around the splash down section. Just couldn't see a whole lot else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on October 05, 2022, 02:14:12 PM
The more I walk by and look at it, the more I am thinking the ride will be receiving an overlay system like The Dark Knight and Verbolten, and less like a fixed wall system such as the Fire In The Hole Twins and Justice League Rides. Work has been taking place inside, as every once in a while, even thru the dirty windows, you can get a glimpse of workers on the lifts. Noticed from the highway pulling onto Indian Point that the HVAC has been installed on the roof.

 For that matter, Fire In The Hole does not seem like a ride that has a foot in the grave. I got hosed for the first time in a few years by the water cannon last week and theming elements that break are still getting repaired.

I rode FITH this past Saturday and also got wet on that final drop for the first time in a very long time. Took me very much by surprise haha.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on October 06, 2022, 04:31:00 PM
For that matter, Fire In The Hole does not seem like a ride that has a foot in the grave. I got hosed for the first time in a few years by the water cannon last week and theming elements that break are still getting repaired.

Maybe they are fixing it up before an announcement on the new one so that people see it in a good light for their last ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 13, 2022, 06:47:03 AM
This seems like a project that is becoming more and more a 2024 one. Maybe the supply chain issue wrecked their schedule like so many other things. No announcement this late is a good indicator.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 13, 2022, 01:09:32 PM
Someone on reddit mentioned that an employee said track won't be delivered until spring. Gotta take that with a massive grain of salt of course, but the idea that track is delayed matches with what we are seeing.

The announcement period for "off years" is usually early November when they start trying to sell next year's season passes. That will be our final confirmation that it isn't happening in 2023 I think. They'll probably announce the new food stands/shops that are replacing the burned areas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 14, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Work continued on the exterior of the building. The white parts are being painted a tan/brown color.
There was work happening in the building too, but the windows in Fireman's Landing were too dirty to get a good view. It looked like hvac or electrical work happening up high with a book lift.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 16, 2022, 01:38:19 PM
Dollywood has released their 2023 season pass details. Their silver passes are blacked out from Thanksgiving through the end of the year. Will be interesting to see what happens with SDC pass levels for 2023.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on October 16, 2022, 09:38:01 PM
I highly doubt I am buying passes next year, which will be the first time in many years.  If they start blacking out dates I would pretty much be done with SDC at that point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 17, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
Finally made it out to the park for the first time this year on Sunday for a few hours. Posted some photos on our FB page of the two construction sites.

It's interesting to see what they are doing with the burned area, but sure wish they hadn't taken out the cool entrance archways for AP and Wildfire. That was some cool theming that I doubt will come back. The loss of trees is always concerning too... the area is so much more open now where there used to be a patch of woods around the waterfall. It will be good to have some new food stands and the furniture factory back though.

The facade work continues on the FITH replacement. Looks interesting so far - I'm sure it will match FL much more than the original though. It's going to be clean and bright, not rough rustic like old SDC. I don't really care about that though, just an observation on different architectural styles throughout the park.

The building is still empty, and all the whispers are pointing to a massive delay in getting parts delivered to the park, so all we are waiting for is the official confirmation at the end of the month that it isn't coming next year after all.

The parking projects are going at full tilt though. The new land acquisition is already a massive satellite parking lot that was in use on Saturday. Looks like something is under construction on the other side of the street as well? Word on the street is that some sort of land clearing is taking place there today as well, so I doubt those half built mcmansions are long for this world. I also noticed that some of the old boneyard area along 76 next to the park has been cleared out and has a bulldozer on it. The park also recently acquired the old Uncle Ike's post office property (hence why the historic post office was moved to SOTH). I'll bet we see a new employee parking lot built this off-season in this area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jesus4me on October 21, 2022, 10:30:22 AM
When is this park just going to come out and announce what the giant building in Firemans Landing is already. LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 21, 2022, 05:30:07 PM
It looks like that announcement could be a year away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on October 21, 2022, 10:08:10 PM
I haven't been following the rumor mill super closely, but if the new ride just isn't going to be ready for next year, is there a possibility that FITH could soldier on for another year in the meantime?

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 22, 2022, 07:11:11 PM
I haven't been following the rumor mill super closely, but if the new ride just isn't going to be ready for next year, is there a possibility that FITH could soldier on for another year in the meantime?

Recent reports are that it's running great, features have returned, it looks spruced up, the audio is fine, so... it looks good for the near future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jesus4me on October 26, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
With this https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1356862104847268 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1356862104847268) without Fire in the Hole, we know that the ride is not coming in 2023. Fried Fancies and Heartland Home furnishing's, a new parking lot and college dorms are new in 2023. Wow when can I get my season pass.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 26, 2022, 08:00:05 AM
You know Whitewater is in line for replacement with the land purchases and resort rumors. The complete lack of investment there tells you this as well.

Does SDC go above and beyond with an additional Great Wolf sized indoor waterpark feature to the rumored resort. More like Gaylord in Nashvegas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on October 26, 2022, 08:08:25 AM
With this https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1356862104847268 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1356862104847268) without Fire in the Hole, we know that the ride is not coming in 2023. Fried Fancies and Heartland Home furnishing's, a new parking lot and college dorms are new in 2023. Wow when can I get my season pass.  ::)

Parking and turn lane are going to be done in 2024, some of it might open in 2023 but it will be 2024 before the whole project is finished.

I’m not clear on the timeline for the worker housing, I think it’s 2024 as well but could be 2023.

So for 2023 we get a rebuilt fried fancies with expanded waterfall dining area(most likely making that area no longer a calm quiet spot to eat away from crowds) and a rebuilt heartland home furnishings.

I do wonder if the delay to FITH2 means they will double up on attractions and do a new ride attraction in 2025 or if this will push back most of their plans by a year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 26, 2022, 08:17:34 AM
I’m not clear on the timeline for the worker housing, I think it’s 2024 as well but could be 2023.

It is expected to open mid-2023.

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/news/New-For-2023
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 31, 2022, 09:55:03 AM
Dollywood has released their 2023 season pass details. Their silver passes are blacked out from Thanksgiving through the end of the year. Will be interesting to see what happens with SDC pass levels for 2023.

The 2023 season pass website doesn't show any blackout dates.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on October 31, 2022, 10:07:26 AM
Good! But I suspect if Dollywood keeps the black out dates going forward...this will eventually transition to SDC too.  :(

Dollywood has released their 2023 season pass details. Their silver passes are blacked out from Thanksgiving through the end of the year. Will be interesting to see what happens with SDC pass levels for 2023.

The 2023 season pass website doesn't show any blackout dates.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 31, 2022, 10:15:43 AM
Good! But I suspect if Dollywood keeps the black out dates going forward...this will eventually transition to SDC too.  :(

They received a ton of backlash for it. They ended up removing blackouts on kids passes. It will be interesting to see what they do for 2024.

Back to SDC passes... as always, people are complaining about more restrictions on BAF passes, but they are also probably the same people that complain about crowds and lines. You can't have cheap entry, unrestricted bring a friend passes, and no lines. The park has to control crowds some how.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on October 31, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
it really would make sense to me to restrict silver passes from Saturdays October-Dec.

I'm a little disappointed with dropping the discounts for silver and that they didn't add more perks for gold and silver. One of the surveys this fall that I did asked a lot of questions about different perks for passes, and how much those perks would motivate me to get a particular pass level. I really expected them to add a few of those things. Mostly they were some of the things they did this year as VIP events and access. I'm also a little disappointed that's gone too. it was fun to have some random perks at each festival.

I'm also surprised that they don't have BAF passes for the harvest festival. With that being one of their best festivals it seems like a good time to have BAF passes to get people to bring guests who might decide to become pass holders. I'm assuming they did not do BAF for it because attendance was so strong for harvest fest, they don't want to lose money by having people there on free passes.

all of that said, I'm getting passes for next year and am happy overall with the perks and prices. I'm shocked they didn't raise the silver pass price and just raised gold and diamond $10.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on October 31, 2022, 10:38:36 AM
Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 31, 2022, 11:07:07 AM
Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?

Brad's video mentioned a revamped entry system, and there will be a different gate for those passholders who opt to pay the higher fee.  We've talked about the entry being remodeled for a couple of years, and it sounds like that might come in some form for 2023 - another vintage memory succumbing to progress - but we just can't be sure how intrusive the new system might be on the classic entrance.  It may be no more than a dedicated turnstile.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on October 31, 2022, 11:21:28 AM
I expected a new entrance for everyone - not some special season pass perk for the more expensive tiers.

Ugh....

Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?

Brad's video mentioned a revamped entry system, and there will be a different gate for those passholders who opt to pay the higher fee.  We've talked about the entry being remodeled for a couple of years, and it sounds like that might come in some form for 2023 - another vintage memory succumbing to progress - but we just can't be sure how intrusive the new system might be on the classic entrance.  It may be no more than a dedicated turnstile.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 31, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
If you rewatch the video and look at the website, nothing is actually said about the ticket booth/entry area. It is all about traffic flow and parking. I wouldn't expect anything major with the actual entry area based off of what has been announced so far. It is also targeted for completion in 2024, not next year.

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/news/New-For-2023

I'm guessing that the Priority Gate Entrance will be a few lanes to the far left or right where they scan tickets that will be reserved for Gold and Diamond pass holders.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on October 31, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
it really would make sense to me to restrict silver passes from Saturdays October-Dec.


Ya know, some people actually work during the week and have no option but to go on Saturdays.  You have just cavalierly prevented then from attending the Harvest Fest and OTC.  Not everyone can afford the up-scale passes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on October 31, 2022, 07:11:44 PM
I am not paying for some sort of increased level in order to not have blackout dates.  I am about 98% sure I am not buying passes for next year and if they implement blackout dates, I will be done for good. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 31, 2022, 09:41:21 PM
I am not paying for some sort of increased level in order to not have blackout dates.  I am about 98% sure I am not buying passes for next year and if they implement blackout dates, I will be done for good. 

Yeah I am kinda on the fence and for the first time in a decade debating if I wanna bother with getting passes for next year myself. But thats only one factor in my reasoning.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on October 31, 2022, 10:33:15 PM
Im guessing the priority entry could be where the first aid station is. They used that entrance a few years ago for an event.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 31, 2022, 11:12:39 PM
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If you rewatch the video and look at the website, nothing is actually said about the ticket booth/entry area. It is all about traffic flow and parking. I wouldn't expect anything major with the actual entry area based off of what has been announced so far. It is also targeted for completion in 2024, not next year.

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/news/New-For-2023

I guess I took "improve the Guest Entrance experience into Silver Dollar City" and "enhanced pedestrian access routes" to mean something other than the parking and turn lane expenditures.

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Im guessing the priority entry could be where the first aid station is. They used that entrance a few years ago for an event.

That's what I figure, unless a larger revamp is underway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:06 AM
I can't tell if Dollywood's blackout dates are a money grab or a means of trying to control crowds. 

Either way, I am not sure that alienating your season pass holders (at any level) is the way to do it.  I am of mind that it should be the opposite - a season pass holder only day during Christmas where there are specials all day, the food is automatically discounted and maybe special performances.   I realize that SP holders get special perks now and the BAFs are nice and allow a friend to enter "free", but isn't that truly just a marketing ploy in the end?   Invite a friend or two and hopefully it'll turn into a SP purchase in the future?  Or invite a friend or two and they will spend "X" amount of dollars for food/merchandise?

As others have mentioned, I have been a SP holder for a long time and it saddens me to think that I am actually considering not getting one.  I am sure, in the end, I will, but its a shame I am even thinking about it.   

Ok, off my soapbox!  :)   Looking forward to my Christmas visit in two weeks!

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on November 02, 2022, 08:00:11 PM
I am not paying for some sort of increased level in order to not have blackout dates.  I am about 98% sure I am not buying passes for next year and if they implement blackout dates, I will be done for good. 

Yeah I am kinda on the fence and for the first time in a decade debating if I wanna bother with getting passes for next year myself. But thats only one factor in my reasoning.

Me too...
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on November 02, 2022, 09:36:47 PM
An improved guest entrance experience would be bringing back the green trams. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on November 03, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
I am not paying for some sort of increased level in order to not have blackout dates.  I am about 98% sure I am not buying passes for next year and if they implement blackout dates, I will be done for good. 

Yeah I am kinda on the fence and for the first time in a decade debating if I wanna bother with getting passes for next year myself. But thats only one factor in my reasoning.

Me too...

Me too...
Instead of buying 2 passes this year as we have for many years, my husband bought 1 gold pass and I went with the BAF tickets included on his pass so we had fewer visits this year. Not sure that we will even do that for next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 03, 2022, 01:58:35 PM
I basically took a year off this year. I only bought my season pass last month! I went ahead and got it because I expect my family will want to visit for a couple days over christmas and I went once for the pumpkin fest. Next year I will probably try to visit Branson a couple more times, but I'm not sure how much time I'll actually spend at SDC. More and more I find myself leaving when it gets crowded instead of sticking it out until the last dog goes home.

I was really hoping they'd announce a new or improved show for next year. It's basically all rides and lights now, and it's a long wait between new rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jesus4me on November 03, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
I basically took a year off this year. I only bought my season pass last month! I went ahead and got it because I expect my family will want to visit for a couple days over christmas and I went once for the pumpkin fest. Next year I will probably try to visit Branson a couple more times, but I'm not sure how much time I'll actually spend at SDC. More and more I find myself leaving when it gets crowded instead of sticking it out until the last dog goes home.

I was really hoping they'd announce a new or improved show for next year. It's basically all rides and lights now, and it's a long wait between new rides.
The park should run a stage show in the Grand Exposition Hall all year. One for Spring. One for Summer and one for Christmas. The Old-Time Christmas shows are not the quality they once were. The Christmas Carol is BAD since they changed the songs because there too cheap to pay for the copyrights and the generic show that replaced It's a Wonderful life can be found anywhere on the strip. Whoever is in charge of the shows needs a new job.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: TheMilanTooner on November 03, 2022, 03:11:48 PM
So a bit of a random question...

What's everyone's bets on Chuggington Adventure Depot potentially returning next year?

If not, given comments of it being a "touring experience" on the press release after the launch, where do you all feel it could be heading next?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on November 03, 2022, 04:29:15 PM
So a bit of a random question...

What's everyone's bets on Chuggington Adventure Depot potentially returning next year?

If not, given comments of it being a "touring experience" on the press release after the launch, where do you all feel it could be heading next?

I hope not. It was rather short underwhelming to me. At the very least they could have had some sensors on the “trains” and buildings so they would interact with each other a little.  It should really head back to the drawing board. I know by the end of the season the trains all needed some major tlc.


Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on November 06, 2022, 12:35:10 PM
I expected a new entrance for everyone - not some special season pass perk for the more expensive tiers.

Ugh....

Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?

Brad's video mentioned a revamped entry system, and there will be a different gate for those passholders who opt to pay the higher fee.  We've talked about the entry being remodeled for a couple of years, and it sounds like that might come in some form for 2023 - another vintage memory succumbing to progress - but we just can't be sure how intrusive the new system might be on the classic entrance.  It may be no more than a dedicated turnstile.

Ive never understood the complaints about the entrance.
It never takes more than five minutes from off the train to through the turnstyles. It usually moves pretty good.
I dont get it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 06, 2022, 07:50:33 PM
Who killed Swoosh, lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 07, 2022, 09:07:43 AM
I expected a new entrance for everyone - not some special season pass perk for the more expensive tiers.

Ugh....

Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?

Brad's video mentioned a revamped entry system, and there will be a different gate for those passholders who opt to pay the higher fee.  We've talked about the entry being remodeled for a couple of years, and it sounds like that might come in some form for 2023 - another vintage memory succumbing to progress - but we just can't be sure how intrusive the new system might be on the classic entrance.  It may be no more than a dedicated turnstile.

Ive never understood the complaints about the entrance.
It never takes more than five minutes from off the train to through the turnstyles. It usually moves pretty good.
I dont get it.

There have been times I have seen the line stretch to where people were getting off the trams. There are days when it takes half an hour or more to get through the turnstiles. That is fairly rare I guess, but getting more common as the park grows and holds special events.

I think the bigger issue is that the park has simply outgrown the current setup and it's just not that ideal for all the trams. It would be nice to have covered waiting and better spots for trams to stop so they don't have so much trouble navigating around each other. Plus they just simply need more room in the plaza, more turnstiles, and more of everything else as the park keeps growing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on November 07, 2022, 02:55:42 PM
I expected a new entrance for everyone - not some special season pass perk for the more expensive tiers.

Ugh....

Just noticed: "Priority Gate Entrance"

What is this?

Brad's video mentioned a revamped entry system, and there will be a different gate for those passholders who opt to pay the higher fee.  We've talked about the entry being remodeled for a couple of years, and it sounds like that might come in some form for 2023 - another vintage memory succumbing to progress - but we just can't be sure how intrusive the new system might be on the classic entrance.  It may be no more than a dedicated turnstile.

Ive never understood the complaints about the entrance.
It never takes more than five minutes from off the train to through the turnstyles. It usually moves pretty good.
I dont get it.

There have been times I have seen the line stretch to where people were getting off the trams. There are days when it takes half an hour or more to get through the turnstiles. That is fairly rare I guess, but getting more common as the park grows and holds special events.

I think the bigger issue is that the park has simply outgrown the current setup and it's just not that ideal for all the trams. It would be nice to have covered waiting and better spots for trams to stop so they don't have so much trouble navigating around each other. Plus they just simply need more room in the plaza, more turnstiles, and more of everything else as the park keeps growing.

I agree with Shave. Then you add Christmas when the first parade is over and hundred are exiting the park just as new latecomers are coming in and the narrow path up to hospitality house is at a standstill. Hospitality house seems to be the big bottleneck.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 08, 2022, 08:37:43 AM
They wanted you to pass thru the marketplace for last minute buys but the Christmas rushes to the gates overwhem it. I assume it's getting to be the same with the Pumpkin thing. It is like they need an overflow exit for these events.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on November 09, 2022, 08:46:58 AM
Although I haven't been this year and only went once last year when I came back from the UK to visit, I personally have had major issues with the entrance area for years.

For example:

The little doorway through on the left for season pass holders or people with tickets down to a max of 2 people to pass through at once... then you are hit immeditately with the "island" that you then have to go around to funnel again into the crowd heading towards the entrance gate. People walk through the gate and almost immediately stop. Which grinds the entire line to a halt. The scooter and stroller rental area being right there along with most people just being comepletely clueless (sometimes even long time visitors) just wreaks havoc. Once you get past that necked down clusterF&CK you are limited by the width of the pathway and people again walking loosely and cluelessly up the small hill to the hospitality house. Which had gotten better with clogging the main aisles with items at least but a few years ago was just packed with souvenirs so much it was hard to move through.

I am a mechanical engineer. I like to look at things from an engineering perspective. I have been saying for years that SDC should have an industrial engineer on staff. There are tons of forumulas and rules of thumbs to use for capacity on things like walkway widths and things like that. Disney and larger parks have a person on staff who looks at these things and makes ingress and egress less of a mess. But I will say, if they used proper analysis, it would show that the entrance area is woefully lacking for the capacity. The problem is that the entrance area is not the only problem area. Anyplace that chokes the walkway down from wide to narrower causes issues... think the bridge heading down to the right by the candy company. And many other places. Every one of these choke points leads to slowdowns and chaos... think about traffic on the highway and when a lane is closed and the backup this causes... These are the things that should be looked at with a critical eye... but never seem to be
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on November 09, 2022, 09:37:38 AM
Why not just shut down the park for a year and fix all these problems. they could make all the pathways 30 feet wide, bulldoze all the trees, shrink the flowerbeds. build a roof over marvel cave and make a straight entrance right from the tram drop off.

There will soon come a tipping point where they will decide to transition from a dedicated 1870's theme Park to an amusement park with a 1870's theme. It happens little by little each year. Money Talks and as more folks from the old days fall away the charm and feel of the place fades as well. SDC is unique I hope it stays that way - it should never want to be or try to be Disneyland.

My cynical 2 cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 09, 2022, 09:54:00 AM
Yeah a lot of the old meandering pathways and tree/planter islands were by design. In the old days SDC didn't even have hard top and just put down wood chips everywhere. They were so intent on keeping as many trees as possible they literally built buildings and pathways around them and had them growing up through buildings. You couldn't even see the park flying over it in the summer. That was back when the visitor counts were a tiny fraction of what they are now though. They eventually started adding black top with tree islands. Then they started removing the islands as trees died or they needed more space. Now they are completely reworking large areas of the park with wide concrete pathways for the huge modern crowds. Such is progress.

I agree that little door on the left side of the entrance for season pass holders needs to go. It used to be quaint back when there was all the theming around it on the other side, but they took that all away and left the little door! Just take the wall down at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on November 09, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
Anyplace that chokes the walkway down from wide to narrower causes issues... think the bridge heading down to the right by the candy company...

This was fixed a few years ago and the "bridge" is now the same width as the the path.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on November 09, 2022, 07:34:36 PM
Yes, I do agree about the folks who find it necessary to complete stop and congregate after the gates.  Or they walk thru the park side by side talking taking up the whole walk way and nobody can get past them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on November 11, 2022, 02:31:12 AM
You absolutely do NOT have to shut down for a year to make most improvements and I never said or implied that. What I said is that they need to be looking at things like this. Honestly, if they would address the entrance area, it would go a long way towards the biggest problem. One other area that would never have happened had they had the proper staff is the fried goods building by the saloon. Or the line for the kettle chips there in same area that goes right into the walkway. The fried goods stand should have never happened... but the kettle chip line issue could be addressed for very little cost... just have a small ordering area that runs parallel with the ordering station only long enough to force the line naturally in a direction...

Making ingress and egress better does NOT require massive construction and park shutdown and the other nonsense that has been spouted. It is just looking at things critically with an engineering (and logical) eye and making the slight changes to make "traffic" flow better.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on November 11, 2022, 08:15:11 AM
I was being 90% facetious, in everything I wrote, I guess it was mis-understood.

I also have to guess that someone who visits the park ONCE every few YEARS, might not be as invested in the overall esthetic of the park and its history and unique features, as some one who visits more often.

My point was, I think making SDC  More Disney like is a mistake. The unusual Geography and finding those hidden Gems around every corner is gone once you make all the pathways wide, square and open. Oh You can get to the rides much faster which is the direction we seem to be heading anyway.

Celebration city was far more  Disneylike....   

We are all fans here... even with different perspectives.

2 more cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on November 11, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Um... Please save your judgement. I only have gone once every couple years as I moved from Springfield to London 2 years ago... a bit expensive to visit currently more than once every couple years. Prior to that, from the 80's until 2020, I was visiting SDC 30-50 times a year. So you are totally misguided with your attempt to invalidate my opinion.

But there was definitely a misunderstanding that you were being "facetious" (although the word I think you mean was "sarcastic")

Also, I was NOT saying to make SDC more like Disney. I am saying - AND ALL I AM SAYING - is that they should have someone on staff who looks into things from a logical and engineering eye. That can be done in a myriad of ways to improve the ingress and egress without huge expense or changes. It just needs looked at. That is all
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on November 11, 2022, 08:17:04 PM
Yes, I do agree about the folks who find it necessary to complete stop and congregate after the gates.  Or they walk thru the park side by side talking taking up the whole walk way and nobody can get past them.

And, then get angry when wheelchairs and strollers run into them when they stop.  Wheelchairs and strollers can't stop as quickly as walkers who've made an abrupt stop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on November 13, 2022, 07:33:24 PM
Yep.  Last year I do not recall going at all during Christmas time.  I am not sure if we are going to make it back this year or not, I got tired of fighting all the rude people that seem to come out at Christmas, especially fighting over spots for the parade.  I do not plan on buying passes for next year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 02, 2022, 12:07:08 AM
Supplies for the new covered seating area near the waterfall are now onsite.  Expect the new seating area to resemble the one attached to Smokehouse. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 19, 2022, 12:42:22 PM
I looked through the fence as the gate was open and saw the foundations for the new buildings seem to be a lot smaller and farther back than the old ones. Will probably be more open in this area when it is complete. Makes sense seeing as it used to be a bit of pinch point. Still need to chop a few feet off the front of the lumbercamp seating area as well, IMO. Hopefully they'll be plenty of tree planters to restore the canopy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 19, 2022, 09:55:25 PM
Still need to chop a few feet off the front of the lumbercamp seating area as well, IMO.

👀 🤐
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 22, 2022, 05:03:34 PM
Roof structure has gone up on Lumbercamp 2 Dinning Pavilion.  Foundation Poured for Fried Fancies

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/12/city-update-sdc_20.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on December 25, 2022, 07:19:27 PM
Roof structure has gone up on Lumbercamp 2 Dinning Pavilion.  Foundation Poured for Fried Fancies

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2022/12/city-update-sdc_20.html

Thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 27, 2022, 01:52:11 PM
It just looks so weird with how it is laid out. It will obviously make much more sense when it's all complete and filled out, but it looks so odd compared to the original footprint. Hard to see where the furniture store is going to go, but it looks like it will be tucked around and take over some of the footprint where the 'original' apple butter store used to be many years ago? Unless that is it in the middle?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on December 29, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
There is a marker and paint on the new peninsula in Lake Silver by Fireman’s landing. Are we expecting the little swings to move this off-season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 29, 2022, 12:57:12 PM
There is a marker and paint on the new peninsula in Lake Silver by Fireman’s landing. Are we expecting the little swings to move this off-season?

Yes.  They are planning on getting that connection area ready this off-season to Blazing Hole
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 29, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
Meh. I miss old Lake Silver. Hard to believe that over the past 8 years it's become such a puddle surrounded by rides. Might as well fill the rest in at this point. Really wish they'd fix the hole where the swings were originally, but I guess it's all pointless now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2022, 10:07:03 AM
Meh. I miss old Lake Silver. Hard to believe that over the past 8 years it's become such a puddle surrounded by rides. Might as well fill the rest in at this point. Really wish they'd fix the hole where the swings were originally, but I guess it's all pointless now.

It might be time for you to find a new hobby
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 31, 2022, 12:15:29 PM
Lol, you of all people to say that. Bitching about change has been a pretty good hobby for me over the 15 years we've been discussing things on this forum. I guess it's the one thing we can always count on.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2022, 03:12:29 PM
Lol, you of all people to say that. Bitching about change has been a pretty good hobby for me over the 15 years we've been discussing things on this forum. I guess it's the one thing we can always count on.  ::)

I just report on things from the park.  I just take photos and post them. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2022, 08:39:15 PM
Things are going to look a little different upon arrival in 2023 in the ticketing area.  No new buildings (yet) but improved guest flow is coming
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on December 31, 2022, 09:09:32 PM
More roof structure has gone up on the new dining area.
The first wall has also gone up on the new Fried Fancies.

Over in Fireman’s Landing, the stretch of fence where the track crossing will be has been taken down to put up metal posts and different/unpainted fencing has gone back up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 03, 2023, 09:58:23 AM
Thanks for the photos and updates everyone! The weather is looking pretty good this week so I'm sure the new buildings are going to fly up pretty quickly before the next cold front comes in.

Glad to hear they are going to improve things at the entrance, but I wonder how long they can shift things around before they have to start tearing things down to make more room. They have a pretty good number of ticket windows, and an increasing number of people are going to use mobile tickets. It's the security/turnstiles that are the real choke point, even though they are efficient. At some point they'll need to put that all up front and open up a second pathway around the other side of the sinkhole - the path they already use on super crowded days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 03, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
Dollywood updated guest flow at their front gate this season.  I’d be shocked if this isn’t the direction the park is headed
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on January 03, 2023, 05:02:45 PM
Did you make it out there to take pics / show the difference?

Dollywood updated guest flow at their front gate this season.  I’d be shocked if this isn’t the direction the park is headed
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 03, 2023, 09:40:07 PM
While we visit Dollywood yearly, I don’t think I took any photos of the new entry area new traffic flow. 

The big changes were they moved the trams further out into what used to be ADA Parking.  They also moved the security screening out into that lot and you go through it before you even get to ticketing. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 04, 2023, 07:39:09 AM
Another big change was that the DreamMore trolly now goes to the main entrance with everyone else. In the past there was a separate entrance up the hill that had its own security and turnstiles. There were lots of complaints on the trolly each day about the removal of the special entrance for the trolly.

This was the first year we've ever gone in the main entrance since we have always stayed at the DreamMore and ridden the trolly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 04, 2023, 11:04:52 PM
That change was done because they rerouted the entry/exit lanes for the cars
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 05, 2023, 10:17:48 AM
That change was done because they rerouted the entry/exit lanes for the cars

Not really a valid argument for taking away the perk of using the closer special entrance.
That entrance is still used for preferred parking and groups.

But enough about Dollywood...

65 days until the 2023 SDC season opens! Looking forward to the announcements that they mentioned in their Facebook post a few days ago.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 05, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Those announcements will be mainly concerts coming this year to Echo Hollow
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 17, 2023, 09:07:49 PM
Looks like a ton of parking lot/road word is happening right now. The old tram tunnel has been demolished along with railings, plants and trees.

You can see photos at the links below:
https://twitter.com/hicknews/status/1615469216441802764?s=20&t=tgFluK5Wcl0kl8GjqESPfQ
https://www.facebook.com/groups/125273777553703/permalink/5826379614109729/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on January 18, 2023, 08:46:42 AM
Looking at all that smoke from trees burning, has me thinking that somewhere Mary Herschend is rolling in her grave!

Definitely looks like they are getting serious about the parking though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 18, 2023, 09:13:36 AM
Interesting. Probably about time for the old roadway to be reworked. Kind of wish I had known so I could have taken a last photo or something. Who else remembers when that was the main road zipping past SDC? Weird thing to be nostalgic about, but I have fond memories of seeing the actual SDC sign and knowing we were there.

Going to be interesting to see how they push out lots 2 and 3 more. Probably mainly trying to rework the tram road. That connection between lots 2 and 3 has always been a major hazard and point of confusion for first time visitors.

Next they need to put up some kind of warning lights/signage at the pedestrian/tram crossing on the north end of the preferred lot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on January 18, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
I’m glad they’re reworking the parking lot/entrance situation. It’s a much needed upgrade to handle the amount of people that come in, and the tram/roadway crossing heading to lot 3 was dangerous and confusing for new visitors. Hopefully once they start working on the landscaping they put some fully grown trees back in.

A much needed upgrade for a very crappy parking lot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 18, 2023, 08:36:20 PM
Look at all that clear cutting, geez.  I am trying to picture what areas they are clearing and what the plan is.  I am actually in Springfield tonight, maybe I should take a side trip down there to see what all is going on.  So they are going to increase parking so they can squeeze even more people in the park?  Seems like its going to be even more miserable on busy days than it was before.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 18, 2023, 08:51:36 PM
I will be in the area Mid February, will do a drive by and try to get some pics of the area..  Should be interesting to see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 18, 2023, 10:48:03 PM
So they are going to increase parking so they can squeeze even more people in the park?  Seems like its going to be even more miserable on busy days than it was before.

I believe the goal is to make the parking process easier to get people in spots faster and off of the highway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 20, 2023, 09:26:09 AM
Yup, the backup on 76 is the #1 issue affecting SDC's growth right now. When the line goes all the way into Branson you know it's not even worth bothering. Hard to even get to Branson West and do the turnaround trick at that point, not to mention that they'll probably park you miles from the park anyway.

I'm sure they've hired a civil engineering firm finally and have figured out a way to squeeze in a few hundred more spaces AND make it much more navigable. It'll be interesting to see if they still have to use the new lot way out west or not. I know the old employee lot has been looked at to become a new satellite parking lot with a new employee lot going in north of the park.

It seems like if they really want to make a difference they need a flyover or an underpass at the light, but I figure we are a ways off from that yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 20, 2023, 09:43:31 AM
^Not to mention the last big parking remodel was a huge blunder.  The current parking is hugely confusing, especially for new guests.  There is a lot of unused space, and it's too easy for cars to find themselves on tram-only routes.  Plus the signs often point one direction while the traffic directors aim you in another.  Instead of an engineer, it was as if they hired the Dippin' Dots kid to design the parking lot.  Hopefully, things will be improved.  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 20, 2023, 11:42:38 AM

It seems like if they really want to make a difference they need a flyover or an underpass at the light, but I figure we are a ways off from that yet.

I think a simple trumpet interchange could work there. Which wouldn't be all that bad cost wise. Get rid of that light.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on January 20, 2023, 12:54:37 PM
There was a public forum in December about significant changes to Highway 76 and Indian Point Road.

https://www.bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_34dd00ca-7bb8-11ed-b408-f3710f84e5eb.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 20, 2023, 01:51:12 PM
^Last I heard it sounded like they were just going to add a lane in the westbound direction so that Branson west traffic would have an easier time getting past the backup. Would love to hear what was discussed in the meeting and what MODOT's thoughts are on actually fixing the intersection to accommodate the traffic that SDC creates.

Sure wish we could talk about finishing the Branson Mountain High Road, but I know that idea is dead in the water for political reasons as much as anything. I still use the road myself every now and then if I want to go the springfield route, but I sure wish that last little bit could be completed to make it easier to get to the rest of Branson.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 23, 2023, 07:29:37 AM
Being in NWA, We never ever go to the park via Branson if we are just going to the park. Always via Kimberling C and B West. If they make it easier to get to B West, Folks will just go past the light and U turn.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on January 23, 2023, 08:36:03 AM
Being in NWA, We never ever go to the park via Branson if we are just going to the park. Always via Kimberling C and B West. If they make it easier to get to B West, Folks will just go past the light and U turn.

We usually do the same, but we're coming from central MO.  I'd rather drive down 13 than 65 unless we have a destination in Branson itself (which is rare anymore).  We stay in a little resort south of Kimberling C:  it's a little more drive but a LOT less headache.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 26, 2023, 08:43:09 AM
So...The Heart of the Ozarks tomato can label mystery...I'm guessing it has to do with the new dining area near the waterfall? Salad bar? Another Italian place? Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 26, 2023, 10:06:03 AM
It is great to see a little detail like the canning company that incorporates real local history. I had no idea that there was such a large canning economy in the Ozarks back in the early 1900's.

This link has more info on the history of the Roy Nelson Canning Co that was the label in the SDC post.
https://files.shsmo.org/manuscripts/rolla/R1029.pdf

My initial thought was designs for labels for can lights like in Crossroads Pizza.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 26, 2023, 10:48:36 AM
Probably a new food stand or re-opening Percy's with a new concept or something. I do like the label too. They are really good with the graphic designs these days when they take the time. They've come a long way since the days of "bleeding cowboys" fonts that crept in when they started switching over to digital printed signs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 26, 2023, 11:25:29 AM
The worst for me was the "Baldknobber Camp. Ya'll Keep Out" sign on Fire in the Hole. Ugh. Looks like it was made on a Cricut.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 26, 2023, 02:53:44 PM
I figured it was the Veggie Tales coming back i.e. Bob the Tomato  ;) They were at SDC around 2000 - 2003 or so
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 26, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
Probably a new food stand or re-opening Percy's with a new concept or something. I do like the label too. They are really good with the graphic designs these days when they take the time. They've come a long way since the days of "bleeding cowboys" fonts that crept in when they started switching over to digital printed signs.

Or take it back the Mary's Spring House days of the pasta, etc. - prior to the "Chipotle, Qdoba, etc.) style.

That was always our go to place to eat.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on January 26, 2023, 03:31:01 PM
We miss the spaghetti in a bread bowl

Probably a new food stand or re-opening Percy's with a new concept or something. I do like the label too. They are really good with the graphic designs these days when they take the time. They've come a long way since the days of "bleeding cowboys" fonts that crept in when they started switching over to digital printed signs.

Or take it back the Mary's Spring House days of the pasta, etc. - prior to the "Chipotle, Qdoba, etc.) style.

That was always our go to place to eat.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 26, 2023, 07:50:07 PM
I'd love to have them bring back the old Mary's Spring House restaurant. I liked eating there. I ate at the "Mexican" place once after it opened and found it to be nothing special and maybe a mark above Taco Bell at best and not really worth the money. But of course I am a Mexican food snob to begin with. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on January 26, 2023, 09:58:14 PM
I miss Percy’s, it’s not the greatest Mexican food, but it was decent and for me it was actually a pretty good value. We could get two entrees and feed 2 adults and 2 kids.

As far as the tomatoes, since they said coming in the summer, I was thinking a show or kids activity… maybe a 1800s version of Nickelodeon slime games? I could be thinking incorrectly but I thought Flossie’s fried replacement restaurant was supposed to be open at the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 26, 2023, 10:19:25 PM
The photo they posted was from an actual label, not a recreation. You can buy one on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234419763345?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=32Cjv8aXShS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=YPv_j4MRRvi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 27, 2023, 08:08:03 AM
My immediate thought was Red Gold Heritage Hall.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 27, 2023, 12:02:01 PM
I swear that theme can already be found on cans in Crossroads
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on January 27, 2023, 12:37:47 PM
I swear that theme can already be found on cans in Crossroads

Close, but not sure they are exact.  I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 28, 2023, 11:43:47 AM
The worst for me was the "Baldknobber Camp. Ya'll Keep Out" sign on Fire in the Hole. Ugh. Looks like it was made on a Cricut.

Why in the world would a secret vigilante group put up a sign to identify their hiding place anyway?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 28, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
I figured it was the Veggie Tales coming back i.e. Bob the Tomato  ;) They were at SDC around 2000 - 2003 or so

They've canned Bob!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 28, 2023, 03:03:02 PM
I figured it was the Veggie Tales coming back i.e. Bob the Tomato  ;) They were at SDC around 2000 - 2003 or so

They've canned Bob!!!

LOL!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 28, 2023, 07:55:30 PM
Remember this billboard on 65N before Springfield exits?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 30, 2023, 08:39:59 AM
sdcattractions Instagram post just says:

2.13

So what do you think? Will this be when the tomatoes are revealed?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on January 30, 2023, 09:24:08 AM
That’s what I’m thinking.

Maybe it’s a name for the new fried fancies… or they are adding fried green tomatoes to the menu.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 30, 2023, 09:51:13 AM
Hmmm, some are going to speculate that it's somehow related to FITH. I could see them making a half announcement - letting people know that FITH is in its final year and teasing the next thing. They wouldn't want to announce the new ride too early since that may encourage people holding off until next year to visit. The recent closure of Splash Mountain and the public's reaction to that may have shifted their strategy to closing FITH. They must know people would be mad if it closed suddenly without warning at the end of the year even with a "replacement" on the way. People are still mad about Lost River...

But I agree it's probably something smaller. Either a food stand or a summer event most likely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MandyTG on January 30, 2023, 10:52:35 AM
People are still mad about Lost River...

That’s me! Not mad, but very sad I didn’t get a chance to ride Lost River one last time.
We made a trip last year even though we weren’t planning to go in 2022 because I was afraid FITH would close without an announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on January 30, 2023, 02:21:11 PM
sdcattractions Instagram post just says:

2.13

So what do you think? Will this be when the tomatoes are revealed?

Jay

I do not think it is 2.13.  The 1 is actually a capital I with a different font 3 at the end.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MandyTG on January 30, 2023, 03:43:46 PM

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I do not think it is 2.13.  The 1 is actually a capital I with a different font 3 at the end.
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It actually is a 1. It’s in Big Caslon font.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 31, 2023, 11:02:23 AM
Hmmm, some are going to speculate that it's somehow related to FITH. I could see them making a half announcement - letting people know that FITH is in its final year and teasing the next thing. They wouldn't want to announce the new ride too early since that may encourage people holding off until next year to visit. The recent closure of Splash Mountain and the public's reaction to that may have shifted their strategy to closing FITH. They must know people would be mad if it closed suddenly without warning at the end of the year even with a "replacement" on the way. People are still mad about Lost River...

But I agree it's probably something smaller. Either a food stand or a summer event most likely.

Any chance of a new show in Red Gold?  Probably not if they didn't market it during the season-pass-selling frenzy. 

Odds are it's the new "food court" area along with the furnishings store.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on February 09, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
Latest tease from SDC Facebook.

This makes me think maybe it is FITH2.0 announcement and it will open this summer.
Playing around with the background from this tease, it could be a blurred and adjusted photo of FITH, it could be something else, but with just a quick look at it it could be the entrance…
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 09, 2023, 08:49:01 PM
Hmm, yeah the "historic" could mean it's something big. Could also be anything since it's an 1880's theme park, lol. I seem to recall them hyping up a big announcement a few years ago that was a dud, but who knows. It would be a weird time to announce a new ride or even hint at one, but again if they want to let people know it's the last season...

Wonder if there's any chance it has to do with the resort/new property. Now THAT would be a historic announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 09, 2023, 09:43:39 PM
Pretty much confirmed its the FITH farewell announcement. I commented RIP FITH and for people to get their final rides in this season. SDC "heart" reacted to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 09, 2023, 10:16:23 PM
The James/Younger gang committed their first bank robbery on February 13th, 1866 in Liberty Missouri.  Could the date have something to do with that?  And if not then at least I threw in some Missouri History.  You're welcome History Buff!   :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jesus4me on February 10, 2023, 07:48:17 AM
They are announcing that they are bringing back It's a Wonderful Life and the original music from the Christmas Carol, I hope.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on February 10, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
Pretty much confirmed its the FITH farewell announcement. I commented RIP FITH and for people to get their final rides in this season. SDC "heart" reacted to it.

Yeah that seems pretty much like a confirmation, in the past they’ve seemed to ignore any FITH2 comments or play dumb.



If it was tied to the bank robbery what would it be a bank robbery ride? A show? Bringing back the shootout on the street?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on February 10, 2023, 08:29:21 AM
The James/Younger gang committed their first bank robbery on February 13th, 1866 in Liberty Missouri.  Could the date have something to do with that?  And if not then at least I threw in some Missouri History.  You're welcome History Buff!   :)

If only!  There are so many blown opportunities to educate.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on February 10, 2023, 08:30:23 AM
Don't forget the canned tomato clue...or was that a red herring?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 10, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
^ ^^Though the history and date I posted are true that was kind of tongue-in-cheek.  I just found it interesting since Jesse James, Cole Younger and the bunch were Missouri boys.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on February 10, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
I've hurt my eyes trying to figure out the blurred background! lol
There is definitely some blue on the left....which still leaves me scratching my head.


I'm hopeful it's the FITH announcement as that is the most anticipated.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 10, 2023, 12:36:24 PM
I wouldn’t read too much into them reacting to a comment. They react to most comments.

The tomato post specifically said that it was something that they were working on for the summer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 13, 2023, 08:59:43 AM
Man they have really hyped this thing all over social media. If they aren't announcing FITH's replacement, a surprise new attraction, or a new resort then I'm going to be disappointed at this point, lol. Really hope it's good because this is a weird time to be making a huge announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on February 13, 2023, 09:43:52 AM
Personally I’d be disappointed too…but you can’t fault their media/advertising department if thousands show up for an announcement on tomatoes. Could be FITH, new resort, 10-year plan including Missouri’s first Giga…or to let us know the Frisco is back.

Just a couple hours left to wait.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 13, 2023, 11:03:42 AM
Live stream link via Facebook https://fb.watch/iG9KAp9L1C/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 13, 2023, 11:12:48 AM
Well they are indeed ripping the band-aid off about FITH closing, but at least they are respecting it's history. The live stream is a mess of sad reactions right now. I assume this will end with at least a teaser of the new FITH.

Here's the thing though, the new FITH is going to be nothing like the old... It will probably be enjoyable, but I feel like it might be mistake river falls all over again. It will almost certainly be a wilder ride with some sort of marketable gimmick. Hopefully it will be as reliable as FITH was and have as much guest through-put, but we'll see. I'm not getting my hopes up about it being themed anywhere near as elaborately as OG FITH.

Oooh, they are ending the video with the original theme music! At least that can be brought back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime on February 13, 2023, 11:26:52 AM
No shock in terms of the announcement, but it felt like an anticlimactic miss from a marketing PR perspective. To confirm the closing of arguably the park's most historic and beloved ride without offering any details about its replacement felt absolutely pointless. Sure, a handful of folks will make a point to visit again in 2023 just to have one more chance to ride the original FITH one last time, but that's hardly a mass appeal move. Why not balance the disappointment for so many with establishing some excitement and momentum around the re-imagined version of a SDC classic? Can't help but think that would have generated more interest than just letting the world know the park's first ever coaster is soon to be no more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on February 13, 2023, 11:59:53 AM
Only thing I know is that the lines for FITH this year just became a lot longer with the public announcement.  Also it's nice that SDC would make an announcement that something as classic as FITH is leaving the park which they don't usually do.  Not popular by no means but it does give everyone a chance to say goodbye.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on February 13, 2023, 12:02:25 PM
I’m not sure why you all expected them to announce FITH 2.0 with this announcement. They’re saving that to push for 2024 season passes. You guys complained they never gave Lost River a “final” season announcement and they now since they’ve corrected that you now want them to announce the replacement with the final season announcement? Swooosh is right, all you guys do is complain.  ::)


Anyway, it’s good they ripped the bandaid off. They knew there’d be backlash with the announcement. but it’s cool to hear a high quality version of the theme. It’ll be sad to see it go, but there’s only so much you can do for a 50 year old ride until it’s cheaper and safer to start from scratch. I’m hopeful for its replacement, with the rumored powered trains you really can’t add any gimmicks. I’m glad that future generations will still be able to experience SDC and Fire in the Hole, even if it isn’t the original.

EDIT: They uploaded the theme song to YouTube in high quality: https://youtu.be/70-qOr-tgYE
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MCLFLN on February 13, 2023, 01:12:08 PM
I have serious doubts that the new ride will be called Fire in the Hole or be linked in any real way --- I think they will likely want a new name and also to break some record (tallest/fastest/darkest/something to set it apart) in order to attract new visitors.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: WolfHunter on February 13, 2023, 01:14:40 PM
I found this page floating around full of mp3/4 and wallpapers. https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/digital-downloads/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 13, 2023, 01:48:41 PM
I think one of my favorite comments I have seen in reaction to this is:

"You've got a great past ahead of you... welp not no more."

I have serious doubts that the new ride will be called Fire in the Hole or be linked in any real way --- I think they will likely want a new name and also to break some record (tallest/fastest/darkest/something to set it apart) in order to attract new visitors.
Indeed I will be very surprised if any of the old ride will carry over outside of maybe a few obscure props such as the fire wagon and maybe the mural will be moved somewhere if it can be saved. Overall I expect it to be something generic to tie into FL. The audio and imagery being made publicly available on the website seems to allude to this.
 
As mentioned a few years ago when this was first talked about, there's no way the existing gags and Baldknobbers will return. SDC is now ran by a corporate entity in Atlanta who have no true attachment to the parks history.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on February 13, 2023, 02:40:09 PM

As mentioned a few years ago when this was first talked about, there's no way the existing gags and Baldknobbers will return. SDC is now ran by a corporate entity in Atlanta who have no true attachment to the parks history.

They just did a facebook livestream today openly talking about Baldknobbers.  They are a legend for SDC and the area and without them, there is no theme for the ride. I wouldn't count them out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 13, 2023, 03:04:26 PM
Two big things that were in the press release and not the livestream:
1 - There will be events throughout the season for the final season of Fire in the Hole.
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To celebrate, park creative teams are deep in the process of planning Fire In The Hole special events, parkwide fun and promotions,

2 - They basically announced that there is a 10 year plan of unprecedented growth of their Branson attractions; ie not just Silver Dollar City, but I'm assuming White Water and possible resort too.
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The announcement of the Grand Finale season coincides with preparation of unprecedented growth slated for the next ten years at Silver Dollar City’s Branson properties.

It is great seeing them give Fire in the Hole a proper send off. I have confidence that what they replace it with will be great. I don't get all of the hate for Mystic River Falls. Yes, it has some down time issues, but it is a way better ride than Lost River was. We ride its sibling ride at Dollywood each year and it seems too tame and once a trip is enough for us.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on February 13, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
Two big things that were in the press release and not the livestream:
1 - There will be events throughout the season for the final season of Fire in the Hole.
Quote
To celebrate, park creative teams are deep in the process of planning Fire In The Hole special events, parkwide fun and promotions,

2 - They basically announced that there is a 10 year plan of unprecedented growth of their Branson attractions; ie not just Silver Dollar City, but I'm assuming White Water and possible resort too.
Quote
The announcement of the Grand Finale season coincides with preparation of unprecedented growth slated for the next ten years at Silver Dollar City’s Branson properties.


The events throughout the year is fun. Hopefully I can make it to one of them.

10 years of unprecedented growth sounds good. I just hope the resort isn’t at the end of that 10 years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on February 13, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
I guess this big announcement thing is to try and push season pass sales for this year so people will show up to ride it before it is gone.  This is the first year in at least 10 years I have not bought season passes.  The park is rapidly moving to ward just a roller coaster park.  If that is the case, might as well do Six Flags which already has a much better variety of coasters, and it is cheaper.  Oh wait, that is what I did for this year.  Might perhaps do SDC for 2024 to see the new ride but after that, who knows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Obviousdramatic on February 13, 2023, 07:22:36 PM
One progress step forward is three steps away from "not in Miss Mary's time". I have not been to sdc since 2017 because I just don't like the changes. Color me unimpressed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on February 13, 2023, 08:33:40 PM
One progress step forward is three steps away from "not in Miss Mary's time". I have not been to sdc since 2017 because I just don't like the changes. Color me unimpressed.
I guess this big announcement thing is to try and push season pass sales for this year so people will show up to ride it before it is gone.  This is the first year in at least 10 years I have not bought season passes.  The park is rapidly moving to ward just a roller coaster park.  If that is the case, might as well do Six Flags which already has a much better variety of coasters, and it is cheaper.  Oh wait, that is what I did for this year.  Might perhaps do SDC for 2024 to see the new ride but after that, who knows.
Sounds good to me, that just means shorter lines and less rude people.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 13, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
I was in Branson this weekend.  did a drive by on Indian Point..   They are moving a mountaion of dirt. the road, both parking lots south of the "preferred parking" check in ar all gone and are being leveled out.  This area reaches clear to the west where thar smal gravel area was.  This is a massive undertaking for additional parking, I dont see how they can possibly have this area done in 30 days. Time will tell, and should be interesting to see..    Also on 76 west past the work areas, there appears to be the new employee living area.. 1 floor enclosed, looks like elevators on both ends of this building and will be 3 or 4 floors tall..   Further west, the old "mansions" have been leveled, and prelim dirt work and partial street is in process..   No pics this time..  but expect to see huge changes at the parking area... 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on February 14, 2023, 12:04:11 AM
I watched the full FB livestream.

I was not impressed. I understand why they want an old-timer and a relative rookie for contrast, but... c'mon.

If you never heard of the Baldknobbers before working there, and only spent 1.5 years working at FITH, maybe you're not the best spokesman for ending the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 14, 2023, 12:54:16 AM
If you never heard of the Baldknobbers before working there, and only spent 1.5 years working at FITH, maybe you're not the best spokesman for ending the ride.

That's was my thoughts too. Kind of a wtf cringe moment.  ??? :o
I was also thinking with the historical significance of this landmark attraction closing that we would have had Brad or Lisa giving statements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on February 14, 2023, 08:25:24 AM
I, too, wonder if the new ride under construction will be something else. I was hoping they would replace our old friend FITH, but I would have thought they would have announced that in conjunction with the closure announcement.

I have zero inside knowledge, so I'm purely speculating. I wonder if the new ride will be a generic fire-fighter themed ride with no connection at all to FITH. I sure hope not, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if that happens.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 14, 2023, 09:56:50 AM
^Well, it's going to essentially be a replacement for FITH whether or not it carries the name and baldknobber theme. I think the fact that they are celebrating FITH this much and openly talking about the baldknobbers is a good sign though, but we'll see. I still think the new ride will probably be much wilder and miss the original audience of OG FITH, but who knows. Some day soon they need to add an actual family-friendly ride again that a broad range of people can enjoy together.

Buried in all of this though is the mention that they are setting off on a decade long massive expansion similar to what Dollywood started around the time of Mystery Mine. Man, remember DW before they completed the loop? Crazy how much that park grew in a small amount of time.

As sanddunerider pointed out, a huge amount of work is already getting started on the new land. The current massive parking expansion is also a setup for more expansion. I don't think SDC will be very recognizable in a decade. Heck, looking back a decade it's crazy how much has already changed. Will be interesting to follow along with at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on February 14, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
Massive expansions can also be derailed by pandemics, economic downturns, Chinese balloons, and alien invasions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on February 14, 2023, 03:05:00 PM
If you never heard of the Baldknobbers before working there, and only spent 1.5 years working at FITH, maybe you're not the best spokesman for ending the ride.

That's was my thoughts too. Kind of a wtf cringe moment.  ??? :o
I was also thinking with the historical significance of this landmark attraction closing that we would have had Brad or Lisa giving statements.

I think the most cringeworthy moment was when the younger guy said "My grandparents rode this ride, my parents took me on this ride, and one day (long awkward pause) i'll bring my family here (another awkward pause) and...we'll find....something."

Yeah...that was not good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: coalesce99 on February 14, 2023, 08:14:16 PM
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Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 14, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
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Sorry kid FITH has been on borrowed time for awhile now. 
You’d be better served trying to save Flooded Mine… oops that wasn’t supposed to be public knowledge yet
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on February 15, 2023, 07:08:54 AM
I guess I'm not really sure what some of you were expecting, or if there's any way to make some of you happy.

The deteriorating state of FITH, and the knowledge that the building and ride were going to need to be replaced sometime soon, have been discussed on here for years. People spent a lot of last year speculating that 2022 would be the last year for the ride, and it turns out the ride is getting one more full year with an appropriate send-off. That's not something to just take for granted from any park. It's far more common for rides to get closed with minimal notice (a la Lost River) or no notice at all. So the park should be commended for handling the closure in a way that appears to be, at least at this juncture, about the best way they possibly could be.

In terms of why they aren't just announcing the replacement right away, that's typical too. It gives people time to focus on what's most important in the short term-the old ride is leaving-and then they can pump up the new ride after people have had some time to digest the closure and they can hype up new season passes, as was already mentioned.

As for various statements of park grievances-my experiences with the park only go back so far (2005), so I wasn't there for the old days. While I can't ever fully understand what I missed out on, or how the park differed then vs. now, I still think you all have an outstanding park in your backyard and that they have been doing a mostly outstanding job at sheperding the park forward.

"Not in Miss Mary's Time"-Mary Herschend has been gone for forty years. At this point the park has operated far longer without her than with her. I'm not saying this to be harsh, or to say that there weren't undoubtedly things that were done better then or that everything is perfect now, but to point out that this expectation that things remain unchanged forever and stuck in amber is and was never going to happen. Life doesn't work like that, and parks, companies, and places all change over time. It's not always great, but that's what happens.

And I'd still say a lot of what's there is still pretty good and done pretty well. And it seems to me like the general pattern over the years I've spent reading and lurking on this forum has been skepticism at a lot of the changes, only for people to be surprised, again and again, at the level the park is still operating at and the work they are still doing that a lot of times goes unacknowledged. As of now, I still trust them to to a good job with this. I am absolutely bummed that FITH is leaving, but I'm also realistic that this is something that has been planned for a long time, and unless they open the new version and its a total bust, they will retain my trust. They are still operating at a much higher level than most other parks around the country and to my eyes are doing a good job at working on needed infrastructural changes while retaining the feel and many of the touches of the park's history.

As for "I'll go to Six Flags instead of SDC" comment-you do you I guess. To me the notion that Six Flags St. Louis does literally anything better than Silver Dollar City is insane, but if that's what makes you happy, who am I to stop you?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on February 15, 2023, 07:53:48 AM
I would never go to Six Flags for any reason, but it does do one thing better than SDC at this point:  Six Flags is honest about its nature.  It is a nasty collection of lousy food offerings followed up by machinery designed to make people sick in an effort to relieve those people of all the money they have.

SDC started off as something different, something special, but it has slowly been dragged into emulating Six Flags, but it isn't honest about it, at least not yet, and the transformation isn't quite complete yet, but it is getting there.

Three things keep me coming back to SDC:  FM, the Silver Dollar Line, and the Pickers.

Now, the word is that FM is in jeopardy.  People are whining about the train being somehow unsafe.  And the park is replacing all its its decent music with garbage.   

No new memories to make; soon there will only be memories made years ago.

What would make me happy?  An SDC that evolved without turning into Six Flags over Branson.  A place for mature people to go and enjoy the time and atmosphere, not an orgy for thrill-seeking children.  As it is:  SDC is on borrowed time for me and my family, including the 20-somethings, who demonstrate that not all youth object to the time and atmosphere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 15, 2023, 09:17:20 AM
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Sorry kid FITH has been on borrowed time for awhile now. 
You’d be better served trying to save Flooded Mine… oops that wasn’t supposed to be public knowledge yet

LOL, well there's still time to advocate for a worthy FM replacement. Specifically a disney quality type ride that families can actually ride together and is indoors and reliable. That's the dream at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 15, 2023, 09:29:07 AM
ThemeParkFan, I agree with your sentiment. There is a lot of negativity on here because most of us are crotchety older fans who have been around long enough to see the park evolve in so many ways. I still remember when Thunderation was the "big ride" that seemed out of place in the park. I remember when most of the buildings had trees growing through them, and how you could hardly see the park from the outside, even flying over it because the foliage was so dense. I remember when crafts/shopping/shows were arguably the biggest draws and people came for the tongue-in-cheek immersive experience. That's probably the part I miss the most.

The park is indeed the best theme park in the US in my view, even after visiting Orlando and LA. I am still skeptical as a fan whenever they do things because I've seen the forces at work that drag everything towards mediocrity. I know the budget constraints and the business forces, and as a recent MBA grad I can sympathize with management and their huge challenges at balancing so many things - especially after the nightmare of the last few years. Still I always hope and strive for that age old balance of immersive theming and fulfilling family experiences that made me fall in love with the park in the first place. As they have been completely tearing out and replacing entire swaths of the park in the last few years it's definitely a lot of change to watch all at once. Seeing the classic rides finally fall away and be "replaced" is hard as a long time fan.

There's a few things as a fan to be critical of with nuance. Mystic River Falls is a nice ride but it was and still is a massive clusterf*** with ridiculous operations that missed the mark of truly replacing Lost River since it added an "extreme" element that made it less family-friendly. Time Traveler is an excellent coaster, and they gave it an interesting back story, but aside from a couple of things on the second level of the building they completely half assed the theming and abandoned the story as soon as it opened. It has also been an operations nightmare. The new rides they are picking to add/replace old ones just aren't great choices in some ways and I wish they'd go back to focusing on experience and story telling first. That's why I'm hesitant to get excited for the 2024 coaster. It'll probably be a fun coaster in a box with minimal theming that has a rough first season and then gets mostly forgotten about as they move on to the next thing.

But all in all we have to remember that it's a business, and we are extremely privileged to be able to follow along with the going-ons of a popular vacation destination. No harm in having preferences and stating them though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on February 15, 2023, 10:21:04 AM
Shave, I agree with a lot of that. They definitely have taken a turn towards prototypical ride systems that don't always work the way they should, and that can definitely get in the way of things functioning properly. That said, I don't feel like Time Traveler is all that different in level of theme from any of the other coasters (other than perhaps Wildfire), even if not everything that was supposed to be built made it into reality. Sure, the first floor is bare, but how often is it even used? Maybe it is and I just haven't seen it, but it does seem like the popularity of the ride has settled somewhat, and I can't imagine that most of the time they can't fit everything onto the second floor, which has never struck me as particularly bare. Then again, I'm not super familliar with what was promised vs. what was built.

I think for the most part the redone areas of the park have been tastefully done and have helped solve crowd flow issues. I wouldn't say that there's any part of the park that's been ruined by the changes.

Palladin: I don't agree with the contention that Six Flags is honest about what they are and SDC is not. Silver Dollar City is a theme park, and so far as I know have always advertised themselves as being one. It has rides and shows and eateries and all of those things-just as a theme park does. They had all of those things in 2005 and they still have them now.

The balance has changed, and I can understand longtime visitors not being happy about that, but I feel like the core of the park is still there. But changing focus happens to every business on some level. Six Flags itself used to be much more heavily themed and strive for a higher quality experience; it wasn't fully until the late 90s that Premier bought the parks and the modern "Six Flags day" became reality. Just because Silver Dollar City is adding more rides than it has at any other point in its history doesn't mean that SDC will at some point fully become just another Six Flags. A park can have several roller coasters without being "an orgy for thrill-seeking children", and I'd argue that SDC has taken efforts to make sure that they're building coasters that aren't just that, and if they haven't always been entirely successful, they are at least trying harder than most other parks to retain some level of balance.

Granted, as I said, I'm a relative newbie in all of this, so I can't possibly know all of the little things, nuances, etc. that had meaning to other people that no longer exist. But the park I first visited in 2005 (and have continued to visit roughly twice a year for a decade) still appears to be very much intact to my eyes, and most of the changes have been for the better in my view. But from my context (which includes visiting an average of 20 different theme parks a year), both the death of the park and Six Flags-ification of it have been greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jesus4me on February 15, 2023, 02:18:55 PM
Silver Dollar City and Branson itself has to transform and keep up with to stay relevant. That does not mean it has to abandon the past. Fire in the Hole is over 50 years old and I am sure the wear and tear has taken its toll. I am hoping that the new 2024 attraction keeps the spirit and theming of its original. The park itself is in transition as many older attractions need to be replaced or revamped. The train and the Flooded mine are in this category. The park has to keep their loyal fans happy while attracting a younger generation. If FITH ends up being like Space Mountain like attraction themed to the original ride with modern animatronics, will you be upset?  The park in general needs more weatherproof attractions like updating the Flooded Mine with modern ride system and animatronics and maybe a Flying theatre. Bumper Cars wouldn't hurt either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on February 15, 2023, 05:15:37 PM
Barring a drastic change in my life, I won't be visiting this year, but I know a lot of people will be there to get one last ride (or 10 or 20) on FITH.

With the issues the ride has had over the last decade, I hope they have taken the time to make it work correctly (including all the storyline features), so that people leave with a good memory instead of a bad one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on February 15, 2023, 06:59:16 PM
My comment earlier about going to SF instead of SDC was not meant to say SF is better than SDC or they are the same.  My point is we did in fact get SF passes this year to try it out and may or may not do SDC in 2024.  I have not yet been to SF STL but have done the one in DFW and it is a fact that if your goal is to ride a lot of different coasters and rides, then SF probably beats SDC in that regard. You will find more of them at a SF park.  If SDC's goal is to continue adding rides while removing other elements of the park, and it simply becomes about rides, then I guess at that point they start being more similar. 

Doesn't Dollywood have a FITH ride?  If so, how old is theirs?  Is it going to be decommed soon as well or have they spent the money maintaining it?  It seems to be like the perfect balance would be to keep the park as is, and add the new rides to a new section of the park.  Surely they have the room.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 15, 2023, 10:53:07 PM
Dollywoods version is Blazing Fury and it was built shortly after FITH. It had a refurb by RMC about 10 years ago. It didn't have the controversial Baldknobbers theme in favor of a more generic theme. (which I expect will probably happen with SDC FITH 2.0)
I'd say their "original" version will be safe for at least another decade.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on February 16, 2023, 10:23:58 AM
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Sorry kid FITH has been on borrowed time for awhile now. 
You’d be better served trying to save Flooded Mine… oops that wasn’t supposed to be public knowledge yet

LOL, well there's still time to advocate for a worthy FM replacement. Specifically a disney quality type ride that families can actually ride together and is indoors and reliable. That's the dream at least.

I’d love to see 2 replacements for flooded mine(if they have to replace it and cant or won’t update it). A dark ride either with a similar theme to the flooded mine or a new theme. Ideally an Omnimover to help it have a high capacity, but a gentle boat ride would be good too. The second ride would be an interactive shooter. I really think they need more all ages/disabilities friendly rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 17, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
Dollywoods version is Blazing Fury and it was built shortly after FITH. It had a refurb by RMC about 10 years ago.

They also removed the water around 2011.

The ending effects on Blazing Fury are considerably worse than the water ending on Fire in the Hole.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on February 17, 2023, 03:04:17 PM
I would think if the water effect was that damaging, they wouldn't include it in FITH 2.0. And rumor and pictures of foundations seem to point to a water splash on the new coaster too.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on February 17, 2023, 05:08:20 PM
I would think if the water effect was that damaging, they wouldn't include it in FITH 2.0. And rumor and pictures of foundations seem to point to a water splash on the new coaster too.

Jay
Technology and construction has changed since FiTH was built, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on February 18, 2023, 11:22:45 AM
I can see how this announcement was jarring for the general public. But anyone who follows this site or the theme park community closely, knew this was coming. FITH was the first roller coaster I ever rode, so it is upsetting to see it go. I’ve had time to process it and am hoping to make it to the park this season for one last ride.

I’m hopeful that the replacement will be something resembling the original with better technology. I don’t want a cheap “gimmick”, but a high quality dark ride with modern technology is something that SDC has needed for awhile. The fact that in the announcement live stream, they openly talked about baldknobbers gives me hope that they won’t sanitize the story and still give us something special.

Change is inevitable. SDC has certainly changed, and while some of it is painful, it’s also necessary for the park to continue evolving with the times. Some of the charm has been lost, but it’s still there. SDC remains one of the best theme parks in the country. Saying it’s Six Flags is laughable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on February 18, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
A lot of good pictures of the parking lot construction on Facebook. "You know you're from Silver Dollar City If"

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=669515151638816&set=pcb.669516034972061

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on February 18, 2023, 09:26:20 PM
I don't see how they are going to have all that done within a month.


A lot of good pictures of the parking lot construction on Facebook. "You know you're from Silver Dollar City If"

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=669515151638816&set=pcb.669516034972061

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on February 19, 2023, 09:16:54 AM
I don't see how they are going to have all that done within a month.

That’s because it’s a two year project.

“ A few  notes on parking:

1️⃣ This is a 2-year project.

2️⃣ It’s being done in phases so there will be minimal guest impact during the construction.

3️⃣ Once completed  we will have added over a thousand new spaces. And more than double the amount of cars we can park at one time! This will help get you into the City quicker and easier than ever before.

4️⃣ There will also be a SECOND turning lane added to Hwy 76 (to clear up those pesky traffic backups on nice days 😉)

5️⃣ We’re also adding new tram-only and pedestrian-only tunnels along with a new traffic flow that will make parking much simpler and more pleasant.

6️⃣ Unlike pretty much any other theme park in America, our parking will still be free! (Along with paid premium options too)”
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ThemeParkFan on February 19, 2023, 04:30:27 PM
My comment earlier about going to SF instead of SDC was not meant to say SF is better than SDC or they are the same.  My point is we did in fact get SF passes this year to try it out and may or may not do SDC in 2024.  I have not yet been to SF STL but have done the one in DFW and it is a fact that if your goal is to ride a lot of different coasters and rides, then SF probably beats SDC in that regard. You will find more of them at a SF park. 

Six Flags St. Louis is similar to Six Flags Over Texas (in DFW) in the fact that both are original-build Six Flags parks, meaning both are among the three parks Six Flags actually built themselves. In that sense, you're already prepared too for a park layout that's a bit of a mess. It's the opposite of SDC in that if you go uphill you're going further into the park. You'll recognize some rides from Texas (Mr. Freeze and Batman are both mirrored from their Texas counterparts, they have the DC dark ride), and it can be a good park if you like wooden coasters. I'd say it's a bit more family oriented than some of the other Six Flags parks. The water park is almost certainly better than White Water-it used to be included with admission, I'm not sure if that still stands under Six Flags' current disaster of a CEO. They've been doing a fair amount of refurbishment work over the past decade, so parts of the park look reasonably nice, but it being a Six Flags park you can anticipate neglected areas as well.

THAT SAID, the coaster collection pales in comparison to SFOT and even, I'd say, to SDC, and illustrates that more is not necessarily better. Batman, Mr. Freeze, and American Thunder are great, and while I don't know that I'd say the park has anything irredeemably awful (others may disagree), the worst coasters at SFSTL are worse than the worst coasters at SDC or Worlds of Fun. Theming is muddled and confused even by Six Flags standards.

My top recommendation is to go in with modest expectations. I like the park, and think it is a bit underrated, but SFSTL has more consistently disappointed people I've tried to share it with than any other park-less because of anything the park actually did (it has decent customer service and operations by Six Flags standards), but simply because it's more modest compared to other Six Flags parks and they were expecting something more grandiose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 20, 2023, 09:30:41 AM
I don't see how they are going to have all that done within a month.

That’s because it’s a two year project.

“ A few  notes on parking:

1️⃣ This is a 2-year project.

2️⃣ It’s being done in phases so there will be minimal guest impact during the construction.

3️⃣ Once completed  we will have added over a thousand new spaces. And more than double the amount of cars we can park at one time! This will help get you into the City quicker and easier than ever before.

4️⃣ There will also be a SECOND turning lane added to Hwy 76 (to clear up those pesky traffic backups on nice days 😉)

5️⃣ We’re also adding new tram-only and pedestrian-only tunnels along with a new traffic flow that will make parking much simpler and more pleasant.

6️⃣ Unlike pretty much any other theme park in America, our parking will still be free! (Along with paid premium options too)”

Even with knowing that it will be a two year project it seems crazy that they are doing all this with opening day coming up in a few short weeks. Looks like a couple lots are currently unusable, not to mention the main access road. I wonder if they will be using the tram road for cars this spring? Probably going to be relying on the new satellite parking lot quite a bit for the mean time.

It's quite a project. Much bigger than I had imagined, but in retrospect it was inevitable and they should have done it years ago. Parking has been such a mess since the big 2006 project but we all just sort of got used to it lol.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on February 20, 2023, 06:50:19 PM
Talking about SFOT, the first time I was there I avoided the New Texas Giant because it looked like it was like OR.  I do not like the restraint system on that ride for the inverted parts.  Hurts the top of my lefts.  It is also rough, but not as rough as TNT.  Last time we were down there I was reading that it had a retrack done and does not have inversions, so I gave it a go.  It is really smooth and a whole lot of fun.  Probably one of my favorite coasters now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 20, 2023, 09:39:38 PM
ON TOPIC: Here are several photo updates of current projects

Parking Lot
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html)

Sign / Icon
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-sdc_19.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-sdc_19.html)

Dorms
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-dorms-sdc.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-dorms-sdc.html)

——

OFF TOPIC: SFSTL vs SFOT
STL has a better wooden coaster collection. 
STL has the better Freeze (especially now that oT’s goes fwd not backwards)
Both parks have dead areas.
STL has better parking
Both have terrible ride ops
OT is horrible to get to with all of the construction and not the best neighborhood
Honestly the coaster collections are pretty similar, OT does have Titan which gives it the edge barely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on February 21, 2023, 12:58:30 AM
ON TOPIC: Here are several photo updates of current projects

Parking Lot
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html)

We've heard that this project won't be completed until this summer, so it will be interesting to see where they will park everyone here in a couple of weeks when the park opens for the season on March 11th

Understatement of the year? Decade? Century?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 21, 2023, 08:14:28 AM
There will be Food Trucks & Fun At The Plaza in the area that has been used for Pumpkin Plaza. Seems like a great way to add more room and food options.

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/events/spring-break/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 21, 2023, 08:26:51 AM
It also looks like they will somewhat be celebrating the 50th season of the saloon show.
This season it is opening on April 6th.

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/attractions/shows-entertainment/new-saloon-show/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 21, 2023, 10:33:12 AM
It's also the 30th anniversary of Thunderation.  Hopefully it will get the TLC it's been needing for a while!  Less bumpy please.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 21, 2023, 03:59:22 PM
It's also the 30th anniversary of Thunderation.  Hopefully it will get the TLC it's been needing for a while!  Less bumpy please.

I would get as many rides in as you can while you still can. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on February 21, 2023, 04:18:02 PM
With everyone else's mine train coasters staying in their parks for years....why would SDC be thinking about replacing theirs so early? And it's a good ride, despite being a bit bumpy.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 21, 2023, 04:52:42 PM
TNT is more forceful than most mine trains and has required a lot more maintenance to my knowledge than most of its type. They have had to essentially retrack portions of it several times, and at one point in my memory they replaced the headers and some supports. S&S is still servicing Arrow stuff, but the company has changed hands so many times you wonder how they are doing these days.

In any case, TNT's tunnel section has been a sore spot for years now and I'm guessing a real fix won't be cheap. Not to mention the jarring turn before the lift hill. It's been a source of injuries and lawsuits I'm sure.

Will be another major kick in the childhood as well as coaster history to see it go, but out of all the classics SDC will have removed/replaced at that point it will be one of the most understandable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on February 21, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Yea, I really like Titan too.  Their problem seems to be about half the rides are closed on any given day.


——

OFF TOPIC: SFSTL vs SFOT
STL has a better wooden coaster collection. 
STL has the better Freeze (especially now that oT’s goes fwd not backwards)
Both parks have dead areas.
STL has better parking
Both have terrible ride ops
OT is horrible to get to with all of the construction and not the best neighborhood
Honestly the coaster collections are pretty similar, OT does have Titan which gives it the edge barely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 22, 2023, 11:08:25 AM
It's also the 30th anniversary of Thunderation.  Hopefully it will get the TLC it's been needing for a while!  Less bumpy please.

I would get as many rides in as you can while you still can.

So is that a hint that Thunderation 2.0 is on the board?  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 22, 2023, 09:32:02 PM
It's also the 30th anniversary of Thunderation.  Hopefully it will get the TLC it's been needing for a while!  Less bumpy please.

I would get as many rides in as you can while you still can.

So is that a hint that Thunderation 2.0 is on the board?  :)

Just a removal.  I wouldn’t count on a replacement. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 23, 2023, 09:35:01 AM
There's no way they'll remove yet another popular and storied attraction such as TNT without a replacement of some sort. Probably won't be a real replacement though, just another 'family' coaster. They need to add another family coaster regardless. Something like Firechaser has always been my hope.

Somehow I don't think we'll have to worry about it just yet though unless there is something really wrong with it that would cost a ton of money to fix. I know the tunnel is a pricey repair, but obviously they can still run the ride with the bump, and unless there is a sinkhole under it (actually a high probability) then surely they can cut and reweld the track to smooth it as they have done before.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on February 23, 2023, 01:52:13 PM
It's also the 30th anniversary of Thunderation.  Hopefully it will get the TLC it's been needing for a while!  Less bumpy please.

I would get as many rides in as you can while you still can.

So is that a hint that Thunderation 2.0 is on the board?  :)

Just a removal.  I wouldn’t count on a replacement.

Does this have anything to do with the accident last year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on February 23, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
There's no way they'll remove yet another popular and storied attraction such as TNT without a replacement of some sort. Probably won't be a real replacement though, just another 'family' coaster. They need to add another family coaster regardless. Something like Firechaser has always been my hope.

Somehow I don't think we'll have to worry about it just yet though unless there is something really wrong with it that would cost a ton of money to fix. I know the tunnel is a pricey repair, but obviously they can still run the ride with the bump, and unless there is a sinkhole under it (actually a high probability) then surely they can cut and reweld the track to smooth it as they have done before.

A sinkhole?  Wouldn't that sink right into marvel cave?  It's basically on top of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 23, 2023, 03:36:50 PM
There's no way they'll remove yet another popular and storied attraction such as TNT without a replacement of some sort. Probably won't be a real replacement though, just another 'family' coaster. They need to add another family coaster regardless. Something like Firechaser has always been my hope.

Somehow I don't think we'll have to worry about it just yet though unless there is something really wrong with it that would cost a ton of money to fix. I know the tunnel is a pricey repair, but obviously they can still run the ride with the bump, and unless there is a sinkhole under it (actually a high probability) then surely they can cut and reweld the track to smooth it as they have done before.

I am skeptical too (at least within the next 5-10 years) considering they did a huge amount of structural repairs and retracking a year or so ago. From a business perspective it would seem impractical to invest in repairing something that you are just gonna rip out anyways in a couple years unless something really bad was discovered in the process.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 23, 2023, 04:08:05 PM
If they do replace Thunderation it would need to be with another mine train.  It's too perfect a fit for the park seeing as how SDC is based on an 1880s Ozarks mining village. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on February 23, 2023, 05:36:35 PM
If they do replace Thunderation it would need to be with another mine train.  It's too perfect a fit for the park seeing as how SDC is based on an 1880s Ozarks mining village.

"Theme"? How quaint.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 23, 2023, 05:48:15 PM
^ Maybe "theme" at it's barest minimum but that's still the theme.  Hopefully the PTB still recognize that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on February 23, 2023, 06:25:30 PM
ON TOPIC: Here are several photo updates of current projects

Parking Lot
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html)

We've heard that this project won't be completed until this summer, so it will be interesting to see where they will park everyone here in a couple of weeks when the park opens for the season on March 11th

Understatement of the year? Decade? Century?

Drove through the area on Tuesday, 2/21. It's hard to imagine the park being ready to open March 11. Maybe the large paved lot out at Notch will be used for parking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 23, 2023, 11:20:42 PM
Received some interesting news today.  Apparently they’ve not really done any work on the new furniture store.  Also there appears to have been some widening of the Hill Street path down Cardiac Hill. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 24, 2023, 08:45:48 AM
I've been noticing that in the pictures. I keep remarking on how empty the lot looks and how small the building is, but then I realize there's supposed to be another building there...

It's probably being held up by issues with getting certain materials and contracts with whoever is going to operate the space. I know they want to bring back some semblance of the old fashioned belt driven system for the demonstrations, which probably requires a whole engineering firm to figure out. Depending on how fancy they want it to be I feel like it's one of those things that probably originates in Germany and gets shipped over here a year late. Seems to always be the case with specialty engineering. Hopefully it works out. I really wanted to see it make a come back the right way and I applauded them for their efforts to bring it back at least similar to the way it was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 24, 2023, 08:55:11 AM
Last year, the workers in the furniture store were very open about it not being built in time for the opening of this season; the goal seemed to be for the second half of the season.

I take the longer timeframe as a good sign that they are taking their time to do it right and not just throw up a furniture store with little to no demonstration area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: flutas on February 24, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
ON TOPIC: Here are several photo updates of current projects

Parking Lot
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html (http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/02/city-update-parking-sdc.html)

We've heard that this project won't be completed until this summer, so it will be interesting to see where they will park everyone here in a couple of weeks when the park opens for the season on March 11th

Understatement of the year? Decade? Century?

Drove through the area on Tuesday, 2/21. It's hard to imagine the park being ready to open March 11. Maybe the large paved lot out at Notch will be used for parking.

Good view of just how big this project is, and the before/almost current state of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on February 27, 2023, 04:04:46 PM
Now we know what the tomato can label teaser was on Facebook... World's Largest Tomato Can. It is like how Dollywood had the world's largest can of beans.


https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/festivals/summer-celebration/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Irrumater on February 28, 2023, 05:38:09 PM
I received my Spring SDC Times mailer today. Looks like they plan to play up the final year for FITH with an app enabled scavenger hunt to find Red Flanders pants. I have done a few of these style games while at Disney so it has a chance at being fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 02, 2023, 01:04:26 PM
They are really hamming it up with all the FITH stuff on social media and I am here for it. It's like the social media person is one of us. They get the charm of the attraction at least. Will be very disappointing if none of that charm/storytelling makes the leap to the new attraction, but seeing as they are in charge of the theming themselves that shouldn't be an issue.

LOL at the giant tomato can, but the Rainmaker making a comeback is awesome! I remember people requesting that way back when this site started. I think it did make a comeback at one point during this site's existence.

What I really want to see come back is the Mine and Percy's restaurants. No mention of them on the site yet...
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 09, 2023, 02:33:55 PM
Fire in the Hole is getting on ride photos this season.

I assume that these will be on-ride and not some other photo op.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 09, 2023, 10:55:26 PM
Fire in the Hole is getting on ride photos this season.

I assume that these will be on-ride and not some other photo op.

Think what they did for Time Traveler.  The photo op near Saloon facing FITH.  Photo Booth will be near the actual attraction.  Definitely not an on ride photo
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on March 09, 2023, 11:59:49 PM
Can confirm that it will be a photo op and not on-ride. No use in spending so much $$$ on a new camera, building, computers and servers for a farewell season. The new FiTH will have one on-ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 10, 2023, 03:43:46 AM
I guess that makes sense. I assumed that the cameras were more of a turnkey rental program and not necessarily an outright purchase.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on March 10, 2023, 06:55:41 AM
I guess that makes sense. I assumed that the cameras were more of a turnkey rental program and not necessarily an outright purchase.
It’s more like a lease through Kodak. They provide all the equipment (ride cameras, photo cameras, computers, servers, screens, etc) and their tech support. I’m not sure how much SDC pays for it when they went in-house, but I’d assume that amount would increase for each on-ride location they add. They planned doing the same thing for Mystic River, as in a photo-op location like TT, but COVID ruined both that idea and TT’s photo-op.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Old Guy on March 10, 2023, 12:08:41 PM
I was upset when both the Float Trip and the Diving Bell were replaced by less themed replacements. Today those replacements are looked on as classics. Every generation attaches memories to these points in time, and the same will go for the experiences that SDC will replace the current batch with. Lossing FITH is tough because it is our attachment to our past, but these are personal views for each of us. I will be sad if the mine goes soon, but I have my memories for the rest of my life, no different than the ones of the lost ones I rode them with all those years ago. Everything changes. There is no future otherwise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 10, 2023, 08:30:20 PM
I'm upset that I never experienced the "Float Trip" - we were there when it was in existence, but somehow my parents kept that hid from us.

American Plunge used to be a really great ride when the tunnel had all the effects within it. Now it's just concrete walls. I do wish they would do something, but replacing that concrete would be extremely expensive.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 11, 2023, 05:53:52 PM
Still lots of construction going on in the parking lot today. The new toll booths make it much easier on the workers. My only issue with them is that they need a green/red indicator on which ones are open. Even though some of the lanes didn’t have cones, the booths looked empty even though there was someone in them.
Also, there are now 2 tunnels. Neither are being used yet.
Excited to see the parking project get completed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 11, 2023, 08:05:15 PM
Wait so there's toll booths for just the Preferred Parking or is it for all parking now? Thats news to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 11, 2023, 09:50:47 PM
Wait so there's toll booths for just the Preferred Parking or is it for all parking now? Thats news to me.

Just for paid/handicapped parking. Stay far left like normal to get to free parking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 11, 2023, 09:57:33 PM
Instead of driving past the paid lot, doing a 180, driving back by the lot to get to the booths, and then two left turns to park, you drive in and the booths are in the general area where the 180 turn was before. After paying/showing season parking, you just turn right into the paid lot. Much easier than the previous setup.

It may not be quite as far as where the 180 turn was before. So my map illustration may be a little off, but it’s the general idea. With all of the clearing and construction, the actual location wasn’t super obvious.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on March 13, 2023, 07:52:01 AM
Everything changes. There is no future otherwise.

SDC has never been about the future:  it is--or has been--explicitly about the past. 

I would be perfectly satisfied--nay, delighted!--with the SDC of 1970, prior to ALL of the coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on March 13, 2023, 09:16:48 AM
Everything changes. There is no future otherwise.

SDC has never been about the future:  it is--or has been--explicitly about the past. 

I would be perfectly satisfied--nay, delighted!--with the SDC of 1970, prior to ALL of the coasters.
SDC wouldn’t even be here today if they never changed. They’re a business, just because their theme is about the past doesn’t mean that they have to be stuck in the past with business.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pintrader on March 13, 2023, 09:42:29 AM
Everything changes. There is no future otherwise.

SDC has never been about the future:  it is--or has been--explicitly about the past. 

I would be perfectly satisfied--nay, delighted!--with the SDC of 1970, prior to ALL of the coasters.
SDC wouldn’t even be here today if they never changed. They’re a business, just because their theme is about the past doesn’t mean that they have to be stuck in the past with business.

When SDC came into existence the top 3 television shows were westerns and 8 of the top 30 tv shows were westerns.  That 1880's style was popular but today it is really just a footnote in time.  Kids in the 60's played cowboys & indians with their six shooters and bow and arrows.  Good luck finding kids playing those types of games today.  The 70 SDC might survive today but the business aspect would not be even close to what it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on March 13, 2023, 07:00:27 PM
It is almost as if they need 2 separate parks.  A theme park with rides and a separate park that is like SDC originally was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 13, 2023, 09:48:57 PM
The park wouldn't survive like it was without change, I hate that things change, but that is what has to happen to survive. They tried the two-park thing and that didn't work - maybe they could have done something different at Celebration City, but ultimately the "ride" park failed.

Also, when I was at SDC last year, they were in search of a blacksmith and hoping one was coming in a couple weeks...craftsmen are hard to find and I guess part of the employment issue they whole park has been suffering from. Does SDC have an apprenticeship program to keep the art of craftsmanship alive?

But I don't know why all the disappointment in the park, it's one of the best in the world. Could they be even better, absolutely, but our family loves SDC and it is one of the only parks in the US that everyone in my family loves to go to. My wife and daughter don't like the rides or shows but they love to shop and eat. My two grown sons love the rides and go from one to the other. My grandkids love the kid and family sections of the park.

I love it all - I've even go sometimes without them just to watch people, visit craftsmen, shop, ride, take in the natural beauty, explore the cave, etc. - there is so much that is awesome at SDC and I love the park (even if it's going to crap :-) )

Jay


Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on March 13, 2023, 11:56:15 PM
Even when SDC was all about the theme... well, they weren't really, so much.

The blacksmith shop (even during Shad's time) made and sold a lot of cast aluminum trinkets, and did very little forging.

The knife maker was a stock removal "grinder", not a bladesmith.

The glassblowing shop made fancies, as they still do today. Nothing that was practical or suitable for a rural 1880 village (not to mention the gas ovens and kilns).

Yeah, I'm nostalgic for that 1970s SDC, but it was never about authenticity. It was a combination hillbilly and Wild West theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 16, 2023, 07:24:47 AM
New concrete pad for the little swings in Fireman’s Landing.

New foundations in Lake Silver. Could these be for the return of REJOICE? They seem to be too spaced out for anything structural like a wider walkway so I’m am guessing decorative.

There was quite a bit of active construction on the new Fried Fancies happening yesterday.
Also, there was active construction happening in the building behind fireman’s landing. It looks like quite a bit of steel has gone up in the building.

And most importantly, there is an express line outside Clara Belles for the original cinnamon bread. My only issue with it is that it is Dollywood style where there is no icing on the cinnamon bread and they give you a container of icing. The icing is cold and not warm like it is when they put it directly on the warm bread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: underdog250 on March 16, 2023, 08:35:20 AM
I'm upset that I never experienced the "Float Trip" - we were there when it was in existence, but somehow my parents kept that hid from us.

American Plunge used to be a really great ride when the tunnel had all the effects within it. Now it's just concrete walls. I do wish they would do something, but replacing that concrete would be extremely expensive.

Jay

What kind of effects did it have in the tunnel of American Plunge?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 16, 2023, 08:47:56 AM
New concrete pad for the little swings in Fireman’s Landing.

New foundations in Lake Silver. Could these be for the return of REJOICE? They seem to be too spaced out for anything structural like a wider walkway so I’m am guessing decorative.

There was quite a bit of active contraction on the new Fried Fancies happening yesterday.
Also, there was active construction happening in the building behind fireman’s landing. It looks like quite a bit of steel has gone up in the building.

And most importantly, there is an express line outside Clara Belles for the original cinnamon bread. My only issue with it is that it is Dollywood style where there is no icing on the cinnamon bread and they give you a container of icing. The icing is cold and not warm like it is when they put it directly on the warm bread.

Thanks for the update once again!

I'd wager you are right about the rejoice sign. Not sure what else would be able to use those footers. I know it's something people have been asking for, and it's a relatively easy one to fulfill and make people happy. Will be good to see it again, or whatever its replacement is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 16, 2023, 09:16:39 AM
I'm upset that I never experienced the "Float Trip" - we were there when it was in existence, but somehow my parents kept that hid from us.

American Plunge used to be a really great ride when the tunnel had all the effects within it. Now it's just concrete walls. I do wish they would do something, but replacing that concrete would be extremely expensive.

Jay

What kind of effects did it have in the tunnel of American Plunge?

There were different show scenes in the cave, but the one thing that stood out to me were the "3d face effects" .  I think they called it a haunted cave.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mudhead on March 16, 2023, 09:59:47 AM
I'm upset that I never experienced the "Float Trip" - we were there when it was in existence, but somehow my parents kept that hid from us.

American Plunge used to be a really great ride when the tunnel had all the effects within it. Now it's just concrete walls. I do wish they would do something, but replacing that concrete would be extremely expensive.

Jay

What kind of effects did it have in the tunnel of American Plunge?

There were different show scenes in the cave, but the one thing that stood out to me were the "3d face effects" .  I think they called it a haunted cave.

Jay

There also was a scene where there was a boat wreck with a fountain effect and another spot where it looked as if your log was going to be over run with water rushing down the wall at you. Both instances had some "past champion" characters that you were introduced to on some signage along the queue. I also miss the "We made it together, Me and you" theme song they used to have, I have not heard that one for a while
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 16, 2023, 01:27:32 PM
A few of the props on American Plunge have been repainted. Also, the lights in the tunnel flicker completely out now, before it was a constant fire flicker effect.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on March 16, 2023, 03:57:14 PM
Video from our trip yesterday with a look at all the work going on. https://youtu.be/_1ZjbmcXruM
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on March 16, 2023, 09:01:06 PM
Video from our trip yesterday with a look at all the work going on. https://youtu.be/_1ZjbmcXruM

Didn't you just post a video about days you won't go to parks?

It sounds like this should have been one of those days!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on March 16, 2023, 09:19:46 PM
Video from our trip yesterday with a look at all the work going on. https://youtu.be/_1ZjbmcXruM

Didn't you just post a video about days you won't go to parks?

It sounds like this should have been one of those days!  ;D

LoL yep it certainly was one of those days. But braved it for the construction footage and to get my daughters pass.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on March 17, 2023, 08:01:16 AM
New concrete pad for the little swings in Fireman’s Landing.

New foundations in Lake Silver. Could these be for the return of REJOICE? They seem to be too spaced out for anything structural like a wider walkway so I’m am guessing decorative.

Here are two pics from yesterday of the new foundations.  I was wondering what they were for, too
 

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on March 17, 2023, 08:05:02 AM
Here’s a pano of the new Flossies and seating area.  They were painting the building yellow and working on roofing before the rain moved in.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on March 17, 2023, 08:10:01 PM
Here are a few shots of FITH 2.0. It’ll blend in really nicely with the existing Fireman’s Landing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 17, 2023, 10:18:12 PM
Does the back side of the Fireman’s Landing building look like anything but a warehouse? It would be nice if that entire building looked the same now that we’ll see the whole thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2023, 05:48:27 PM
New foundations in Lake Silver. Could these be for the return of REJOICE? They seem to be too spaced out for anything structural like a wider walkway so I’m am guessing decorative.

Checked these out today and I assure they’re not new.  They are indeed the former foundations for the Rejoice sign.  The water is usually up higher which hides these from sight.  The sign is not coming back it was thrown away. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 19, 2023, 07:45:40 AM
When looking at old photos on midwestinfoguide, the foundations are not there. Below is a cropped version of this photo: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sNaUlfFoAtw/XgAFpv5brTI/AAAAAAAA3gI/XJ3rYbiEuVYdLlL3vaJ8FGZcKZV3YK1DgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_7625.JPG
The foundations are not in the photo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 08:19:36 AM
The footers would not be visible in the photo you posted.  They’d be behind the branch

The bolts are rusted
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on March 19, 2023, 03:03:47 PM
Video from our trip yesterday with a look at all the work going on. https://youtu.be/_1ZjbmcXruM

Didn't you just post a video about days you won't go to parks?

It sounds like this should have been one of those days!  ;D
Great you tube Sr Willow.
I have not been to the city since the BBQ place was built on the lake.  I was shocked at the change of scenery.  The view across the lake is much less pronounced.  The new BBQ place is all I could see then the building from 2.0 !!! Wow what a sightline.  I hate to see the views change so drastically, I wonder how summer leaves will assist in cleaning this up and making it look more natural.  Looks like SDC has really changed the "look".
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 03:30:54 PM
Opening Weekend Parking Lot
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-parking-sdc.html

Opening Weekend Lumbercamp
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-lumbercamp-sdc.html

Opening Weekend Park Upgrades/Updates
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-sdc.html

Opening Weekend Fire in the Hole Area
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-fire-in-hole-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on March 19, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Opening Weekend Park Upgrades/Updates
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-sdc.html

Interesting. That rubber at the crossing could be set in a way that it flexes down for the train wheel flanges, but not be noticeable to foot traffic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 05:35:34 PM
^Yes we were wondering that ourselves.  It would definitely keep strollers from getting caught... and they'll obviously do that treatment over at new FITH and Pumpkin Plaza as well
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on March 19, 2023, 05:44:18 PM
We were waiting for a tram at the end of the day Thursday and a parking attendant got to chatting.  He said when it's all said and done (likely next year), people will NOT be directed to a specific lot and can park wherever they want.  He also said the shuttles/trams will run one continuous loop rather than going to one specific stop.  He did confirm that there will be two underpasses - one for pedestrians and one for trams. 

I know employees don't always have accurate info, but I thought I'd pass it along with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 06:09:56 PM
We were waiting for a tram at the end of the day Thursday and a parking attendant got to chatting.  He said when it's all said and done (likely next year), people will NOT be directed to a specific lot and can park wherever they want.  He also said the shuttles/trams will run one continuous loop rather than going to one specific stop.  He did confirm that there will be two underpasses - one for pedestrians and one for trams. 

I know employees don't always have accurate info, but I thought I'd pass it along with a grain of salt.

I'm fully expecting that all parking will be paid parking once the lot is completed.  You have to pay at all of their other parks already.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 06:10:08 PM
Weekend #2 Parking Lot
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-parking-sdc_18.html

Weekend # 2 Lumber Camp
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-lumbercamp-sdc_18.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on March 19, 2023, 08:10:00 PM
It appears they have a fence around the water tree with trash barrels in front of it?  Does not look like you would be able to see that anymore.  Perhaps it no longer works or nobody cares anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tmstephe on March 19, 2023, 08:58:27 PM
I took my daughter to see it.  There is a low fence, but the tree is still “running”.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 19, 2023, 11:27:30 PM
^ it still works
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 20, 2023, 08:28:31 AM
We were waiting for a tram at the end of the day Thursday and a parking attendant got to chatting.  He said when it's all said and done (likely next year), people will NOT be directed to a specific lot and can park wherever they want.  He also said the shuttles/trams will run one continuous loop rather than going to one specific stop.  He did confirm that there will be two underpasses - one for pedestrians and one for trams. 

I know employees don't always have accurate info, but I thought I'd pass it along with a grain of salt.

I'm fully expecting that all parking will be paid parking once the lot is completed.  You have to pay at all of their other parks already.

I looked at Dollywood's parking prices and if SDC gets anywhere close to those - there will be major heartache. The general parking was still free to the silver and gold season pass holder but everyone else was $22.80. The Preferred lot was $41.

The SDC Season Passes are less expensive than Dollywood but all you heard earlier from SDC fans was how it was now too hard to take a family, etc. Just wait until they implement those more expensive passes with blackout dates, etc. and paid parking on top?

We'll still go and have a good time whatever they decide to do, but I can already hear the gnashing of teeth from a large demographic that visits.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 20, 2023, 10:15:19 AM
The general parking was still free to the silver and gold season pass holder but everyone else was $22.80.

At Dollywood, parking is free for Gold and Diamond. Silver season pass holders have to pay parking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 20, 2023, 11:13:45 AM
Yup, get ready for a lot more complaining, and not just from us old timers on this site. In the end, it'll just be another change that people "get used to". Ultimately SDC is just another theme park with an interesting history and great theming. There's no fighting the inevitable, but the free parking has been awesome all these years.

After all, this new parking lot is costing them millions. Most parks charge out the @ss just for crappy pavement they put over a field 20+ years ago. At least this time we're paying for heavy civil work, lol.

Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 20, 2023, 12:31:32 PM
The general parking was still free to the silver and gold season pass holder but everyone else was $22.80.

At Dollywood, parking is free for Gold and Diamond. Silver season pass holders have to pay parking.

I just thought that might have been a typo left over from an earlier year. I saw where it said, gold and diamond, but I couldn't find on their website where you could purchase a diamond season pass. Was that a limited time thing?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 20, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Yes, they only sell a limited number of Diamond passes each year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on March 22, 2023, 10:31:32 AM
From SDC Facebook: New for 2023, brand new strollers and coming soon new ECVs
 
Another pretty big investment in infrastructure, I reel think they are planing a big expansion the next few years. It does seem like price hikes have to be coming with all this infrastructure spending, hopefully that’s not in the form of paid parking, but the new setup sure looks like they at least put the infrastructure in place to charge in the future if they want to. It sure looks like they have a second set of 4 tollbooths behind the first set. The islands can be seen in some of the recently posted photos but no toll shacks have been built on them thus far.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 23, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
WEEK #3 UPDATES


EMPLOYEE DORMS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-dorms-sdc.html

PARKING LOT
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-parking-sdc_23.html

LUMBER CAMP
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-lumbercamp-sdc_23.html

MISCELLANEOUS PARK UPDATES
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-sdc_23.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on March 23, 2023, 09:52:43 PM
Driving out today, we noticed some work being done to the east of the city. Lots of dirt moving. New fence. What appears to be a water filling station perhaps?  Any ideas on what this is?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MandyTG on March 27, 2023, 12:20:08 PM
I’m pretty certain I’ve asked this before, but has there been any mention of bringing back the pork rind stand?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on March 27, 2023, 02:57:20 PM
WEEK #3 UPDATES


EMPLOYEE DORMS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-dorms-sdc.html

PARKING LOT
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-parking-sdc_23.html

LUMBER CAMP
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-lumbercamp-sdc_23.html

MISCELLANEOUS PARK UPDATES
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2023/03/city-update-sdc_23.html

New Train Depot water tower?  Does this mean the depot is not moving after FITH is torn down?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on March 27, 2023, 02:59:48 PM
From SDC Facebook: New for 2023, brand new strollers and coming soon new ECVs
 
Another pretty big investment in infrastructure, I reel think they are planing a big expansion the next few years. It does seem like price hikes have to be coming with all this infrastructure spending, hopefully that’s not in the form of paid parking, but the new setup sure looks like they at least put the infrastructure in place to charge in the future if they want to. It sure looks like they have a second set of 4 tollbooths behind the first set. The islands can be seen in some of the recently posted photos but no toll shacks have been built on them thus far.

They are gonna have to increase the walkway paths if they start renting out ECV's. The path's are already way too small especially on busy days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 27, 2023, 04:50:58 PM
They are gonna have to increase the walkway paths if they start renting out ECV's.

They have rented ECV's for years. They are just getting new ones.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on March 27, 2023, 07:36:39 PM
I’m pretty certain I’ve asked this before, but has there been any mention of bringing back the pork rind stand?

Won't those come back with the rebuilt Fried Flossie's stand?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on March 28, 2023, 08:25:48 AM
I’m pretty certain I’ve asked this before, but has there been any mention of bringing back the pork rind stand?

Won't those come back with the rebuilt Fried Flossie's stand?

Any mention of pork rinds has been suspiciously absent from all of the info that has been released about the rebuild.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 28, 2023, 07:41:36 PM
They have all but said that the pork rinds aren't coming back. I'm not sure why, but I guess they didn't sell as many as you'd think and they were apparently blamed for the fire so it might be a risk/reward type of thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on March 29, 2023, 09:12:11 AM
My cardiologist says the same thing about the risk vs. reward of pork rinds.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on March 29, 2023, 06:21:28 PM
My cardiologist says the same thing about the risk vs. reward of pork rinds.  :)

Actually pork rinds are healthy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on March 30, 2023, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: jericho link=topic=4275.msg84283#msg84283


New Train Depot water tower?  Does this mean the depot is not moving after FITH is torn down?

New Train Depot water tower?  Does this mean the depot is not moving after FITH is torn down?
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May not be worth much, but many of us with experience out in the city have never put much stock in the rumored New Train stations. And I've not heard any hint of that from anyone in the park.

Honestly, with all the work they are doing to increase the parking size, it seems to me they are starring to prepare to expand. Why clog up a potential expansion path with something that already serves just fine? I have a much stronger suspicion it may be used for expansion out that direction and potentially a loop connecting with Outlaw Runs path.

I talk about it more in depth with the reasoning in one of my recent videos. But I haven't heard any sources I put much credence in talk about a new train station. Just internet rumors.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 03, 2023, 08:57:54 AM
Clearing along 76 has begun for the new turning lane. In the attached photo, the red area is the approximate area that has been cleared.

It is great to have the train back. As others have mentioned, some jokes are gone or changed, but I don't think that the vast majority of people will notice. The joke about if you pull the orange cord without an emergency; one will be created for you is still there.

There are PowederKeg trains cars in the woods in the middle of the train loop. They are/were loosely covered by tarps, but are now mostly uncovered.

I didn't get a picture, but track is clearly visible in the show building behind Fireman's Landing. The portion of track visible looked like it could quite possibly be the dip on the burning bridge.

There is a new wide sidewalk from the parking lots. It ends where the road goes down the hill to the west next to the handicapped lot. The biggest difference is that the sidewalk is now elevated a little and is not level with the parking lot in most places.

Not sure if I have seen it mentioned here, but Thunderation only has one train currently available. The second train is taken apart and some whole cars are missing from it.

We did have an issue using our digital passes on the way in. If you have picked up the new plastic passes, you have to relink them to your account because new QR codes were issued when they print them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 07, 2023, 02:24:31 PM
They have now added power outlets on the fence by the pillar foundations. The foundations are under water now, assuming that they are at a level to be above water in the winter. This could also explain why rust was seen on them.

I also attached my original photo to show that the outlets are new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 08, 2023, 09:06:47 AM
More parking lot progress.

The old exit from preferred is now blocked off. You now exit by the new entrance into the lot. It also seemed like the handicapped lot is gone, but I’m not 100% sure on that.

There are now lighted icons on the payment booths that indicate if the booth is open or not. Not a great photo, you can’t see the green arrow on the one that is open in it. 

The spaces are now angled and lanes are one way. Only a portion of the paid lot has lines painted so far.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on April 10, 2023, 08:43:23 AM
More parking lot progress.

The spaces are now angled and lanes are one way. Only a portion of the paid lot has lines painted so far.

Glad to see this!  As tight as that parking lot was, it was a nightmare with a larger vehicle getting in and out of those spots, sometimes.

Thanks for the pics/update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 22, 2023, 09:03:56 AM
Another parking update.

Clearing has been done along the westbound lanes of 76.

More paving and striping has been completed. Also, there are now 8 pay booths, but they are still just using the first set.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 22, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
The power outlets that were added along the lake silver fence near the new foundations have been painted to match the fence color.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 22, 2023, 09:08:44 AM
Foundation work has started on the new furniture factory.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on April 22, 2023, 09:11:22 AM
This is the view of the area where a tree blew over. I would expect the fencing to be extended up now that the hvac units are clearly visible from the square.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Fergy328 on May 14, 2023, 12:24:35 AM
Sorry if this has been answered before, but for anyone who has visited the park this year, with all the new parking stuff going on, has the free parking allotment shrunk/stayed the same/grown? How about the preferred parking - grown/stayed the same?

Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Lampie on May 15, 2023, 07:20:59 PM
The whole project is adding spaces overall. I believe they have slightly expanded paid parking, it also appears to be designed with some flexibility to expand or shrink paid parking on a daily basis. With work still in progress I’m not sure but I think they have either slightly less or about the same number of useable parking spots, but as work progresses they will have added a significant amount of spots.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on June 13, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
Not sure if anybody else has noticed, but at the bottom of Wildfire there seem to be new retaining walls and gravel put down. I’ll have to get a picture next time, but I’d assume it’s just to make maintenance easier since it’ll be level ground at certain places
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 31, 2023, 07:53:39 PM
REJOICE is back!

Now we know for sure what the foundations and outlets were added for.

New foundations in Lake Silver. Could these be for the return of REJOICE? They seem to be too spaced out for anything structural like a wider walkway so I’m am guessing decorative.

When looking at old photos on midwestinfoguide, the foundations are not there. Below is a cropped version of this photo: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sNaUlfFoAtw/XgAFpv5brTI/AAAAAAAA3gI/XJ3rYbiEuVYdLlL3vaJ8FGZcKZV3YK1DgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_7625.JPG
The foundations are not in the photo.

They have now added power outlets on the fence by the pillar foundations. The foundations are under water now, assuming that they are at a level to be above water in the winter. This could also explain why rust was seen on them.
I also attached my original photo to show that the outlets are new.

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on November 01, 2023, 07:59:52 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on November 01, 2023, 11:02:39 AM
Nice indeed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 02, 2023, 08:39:14 AM
Big industry news  in Other Parks
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 08, 2023, 10:47:52 AM
Awesome that they brought the REJOICE sign back. Had a feeling that was coming after all our discussions on those lake footers. They really do listen to their guests, even though there are a million conflicting voices.