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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2021, 11:59:24 AM

Title: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2021, 11:59:24 AM
I'm being told there is now obvious construction activity going on near the train tracks. Apparently visible from Fireman's Landing and the train of course. More construction walls have gone up. To me it sounds like they are going forward with the next big replacement ride to renew the "legacy" attractions. The rumor has been that Fire in the Hole is the next in line for replacement and that it would be replaced with an entirely new indoor coaster or dark ride.

We'll see what happens, but obviously something has started and they typically take a full two years to develop these rides, so whatever has kicked off will most likely open in 2023.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 24, 2021, 01:27:52 PM
ah, very cool. Starting now for 2023 should make for it to be a significant sized attraction!! is this in that "triangle" area behind fireman's landing....or closer to side where the wilderness water toboggan was located?

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 24, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
ah, very cool. Starting now for 2023 should make for it to be a significant sized attraction!! is this in that "triangle" area behind fireman's landing....or closer to side where the wilderness water toboggan was located?

Jay

Shadd’s parking lot
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 25, 2021, 02:26:59 AM
The rumor has been that Fire in the Hole is the next in line for replacement and that it would be replaced with an entirely new indoor coaster or dark ride.


As beloved as the ride is to me  - its replacement might be OK as long as its not themed to some IP.  It really needs to be even less current than the background for time traveler, it was saved by the steampunk angle. the very last thing it needs to be is tied into some cartoon or childrens IP.

my two cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 25, 2021, 11:26:12 AM
The most recent dark ride surveys (two or three years ago) were pretty generic and kind of fantasy-based as I recall.  Lots of sparkle ad glitter, but no theme to go along with the park - and none were Bald Knobbers.  Fingers crossed if anything replaces FitH, that it will stay true to history, heritage, and nostalgia.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 25, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
I mean if it's going right next to Fireman's Landing then it's definitely going to be firefighter themed. No need to worry about that. Will they keep the baldknobber story? Probably not. They still do tell the story of the baldknobbers in the lantern tour and of course FiTH, but other than that it isn't prevalent around the park. Do I wish that it'll be themed to it? Yes, yes I do. But I also know that times change and new stories need to be told. We still have the current FiTH for now and when it's gone we'll have the memories of it, and I'm sure they'll save some things from the inside to keep the legacy of it. They know how iconic it is to everyone that visits.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 25, 2021, 05:45:37 PM
Yeah the signs are there now it's probably the beginning of the end for FITH. And yes you can count on its replacement to be watered down and PC.  :'(

It upsets me that Dollywood's Blazing Fury will outlive it even though it will be the closest we will get to keeping and experiencing the original despite it's theme being watered down as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 26, 2021, 08:24:18 PM
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 26, 2021, 08:59:30 PM
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong

Location indicates a firefighting theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2021, 08:39:48 AM
Due to the location and if it really is a FITH replacement, a fire company theme is pretty much guaranteed. I think it will be a generic "towns on fire" theme. Maybe they will lightly mention the baldknobbers, but they probably wont have any hoods.

The real question is how they will approach the ride system itself. Is is going to be thrilling, or more of a dark ride? Aimed at allowing younger kids, or will they do something crazy that raises the height limit? Will there be a world's first? Will it be reliable, or break down continuously?

Personally I'm hoping that it is true to the original with lots of practical effects and props during a long slow dark ride section followed by the classic fire in the hole drop at the end. Keep it relatively simple so that kids can ride and it doesn't break down every hour.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on September 27, 2021, 08:44:07 AM
^ Agree!!!  How many of us were introduced to rollercoasters with FITH?  I was and so were my kids.  It's still my favorite ride at SDC.  Keep the Baldknobbers please - it's part of the history and legacy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 27, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
So if the rumors are correct next season 2022 will be the 50th anniversary and also the final year of FITH.  I would presume there would not be much fanfare associated with the anniversary since Flooded Mine didn't receive much.  Also wouldn't make much sense to celebrate something your going to remove by the next year.

A person would need to be in their mid to upper 50's just to remember when it wasn't there.  I am just wondering how they are going to handle the negative blowback when they announce it.  Saying there will be a new ride to replace it will definitely help some but I would expect a pretty large negative response.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on September 27, 2021, 10:58:21 AM
Is it completely impossible that they could just refurbish and rebuild the ride in house? - for 1/2 the cost of a new production coaster/dark ride I would think they could do it themselves and really make it stand out.  While cutting edge time traveler was 25 million - for 10-15 mill they could probably rebuild/ upgrade Fire in the Hole it as it stands and still have a standout attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 27, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
I'm sure Swoosh has some inside scoop.....

So are we on the right track when we say - New fire in the hole, demolition of old ride, +new train station in 2022?

Or is the information you have - new fire themed roller coaster near fireman's landing?

I was looking at the height requirements of Firechaser Express and they were only 39" compared to Blazing Fury at 42" (Fire in the hole is 48, 36" with adult). Could they just mirror what they did at Dollywood and build a Firechaser at SDC and refurbish the Fire in the Hole with new track from RMC? Or is the SDC building in much worse shape than DW's - being only 6 years different in age?

Just some random thoughts...

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 27, 2021, 12:35:20 PM
Is it completely impossible that they could just refurbish and rebuild the ride in house? - for 1/2 the cost of a new production coaster/dark ride I would think they could do it themselves and really make it stand out.  While cutting edge time traveler was 25 million - for 10-15 mill they could probably rebuild/ upgrade Fire in the Hole it as it stands and still have a standout attraction.
The building and ride has deteriorated so bad that it'll cost less to build a new one in a more fitting location. If you keep band-aiding the building and ride like they have been, it's not gonna help in the long run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 27, 2021, 12:36:26 PM
Also, if you want a different view of some land clearing and construction equipment that isn't on the train, go to the pumpkin plaza whenever it opens and go to the left of the giant screen. Look through the fence and you'll see a lot of clearing and digging. I'll get pics when I go back to work on Tuesday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: woodgrain on September 27, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Any idea what the space created by demolishing FITH could be used for?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 27, 2021, 01:12:00 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2021, 05:52:14 PM
I'm sure they COULD save the old FITH if they wanted to, but the issue here is return on investment. Spending upwards of $10 million to re-model an existing ride only to end up with a somewhat updated version of that ride is not going to generate nearly as much hype or ticket sales as building a large new ride for $15-20 million, not to mention all the theoretical logistical improvements from having a bigger, better, modern space that is designed for the crowds SDC has now and not the crowds they did back in the 60's.

They could have simply replaced the lost river in place as well with new troughs and a new water supply, but Mystic River got them national attention whereas even yearly visitors may not have noticed an upgrade to Lost River.

There has been speculation that they want to build a new train station since the old one doesn't even fit a full train load and has always been a logistical sticking point. They don't even use the store space hardly anymore, and few people can get to the concession booth inside. I don't know though, they might just tear down Flooded Mine one of these days along with the train station and build a big new train station across the two spots. Anything is possible at this point. There are few left at the park who care about preserving anything vintage SDC. All we can ask is that they at least don't completely ignore the theme when they build a new ride. I still say I like the marvel cave tie in to Mystic River and that they did a good job with that one. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 27, 2021, 06:30:56 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 27, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.

I think their thought was it would be closer to the round house for the engineers.  Then open up for redevelopment the area of the old station and FM when removed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 27, 2021, 09:16:22 PM
I was thinking someone mentioned that might be the location of the new train station.

I doubt that would happen, thats is some prime real estate for another ride/attraction.

I think their thought was it would be closer to the round house for the engineers.  Then open up for redevelopment the area of the old station and FM when removed.

Thats a lot of area where FITH is now, Be a lot of space to reuse, be interestingto see drawings of that proposal.
 
IF they did make it the new station,
then the old station and FM would probably be revamped all at 1 time into an all new attraction..  Another interesting drawing to see..
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 28, 2021, 09:07:01 AM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 28, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?

Oh. I think they would for sure put something else in there besides just the station.. too many square feet for just the train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 28, 2021, 08:41:16 PM
Removing FITH would open up the opportunity to run a pathway/crossing back there and connect to Outlaw Run's area. Would make it a bit less of a confusing dead end, which is something the park has been working slowly towards removing. Eventually we'll be able to walk around the lake, from GE to FL, and maybe even from Wildfire to Powderkeg one day.

There is a lot of space there, so I'm sure they could try to shove in another ride as well. Maybe a drop tower like DW's?

Oh. I think they would for sure put something else in there besides just the station.. too many square feet for just the train.

It would also allow for the huge line for the train at Christmas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 28, 2021, 09:40:31 PM
FITH area will be home to the new train depot.
Queue for Saloon will be put into that area as well.
Ben talk about Opera House getting new entrance over there as well.
Fry Bread might be removed with the new revamp of this area.

Basically nothing is sacred in this area and don’t expect to recognize it once it is completed

Working timeline
2023: new FITH opens / walls go up around old / demo by summer / construction of new depot to follow
2024: new depot opens / old depot closed off / demo by summer / natural look by fall
2025: SW26 construction begins
2026: SW26 opens
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 29, 2021, 08:04:24 AM
Fry Bread might be removed with the new revamp of this area.

I always think every time I walk by that Fry Bread eatery that this is the craziest place to put something like this.  I mean right in the middle of the walkway.  Maybe their idea was....well they can't miss this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: kbosch1 on September 29, 2021, 08:55:07 AM
2025: SW26 construction begins
2026: SW26 opens

Any hints?  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 29, 2021, 09:04:57 AM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 29, 2021, 09:36:05 AM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on September 29, 2021, 12:43:44 PM
The Fry Bread Company is hardly open anymore. Not gonna miss it to be honest. I wonder what they’re gonna do with Percy’s? That’s a large building, they could probably put an indoor stage and seating there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 29, 2021, 02:07:28 PM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.

All about ROI.

$$$$
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 29, 2021, 02:53:34 PM
It's kind of hard to imagine we are going to lose Lost River, FITH, Train Station, FM and probably AP within a 10 year period.  Who would have thought that just a few years back.

All about ROI.

$$$$


That's pretty much the whole story.....kind of hard to have "memories worth repeating" when those memories are disappearing.  I think the main thing they are looking at is the attendance rise in the coming years especially during their most popular festivals.  Paths, rides and now probably a lot bigger train station to handle the larger crowds.

That is still going to be a lot of investment to get that return but it takes money to make money.  I guess the new stuff is "memories worth repeating" for the next generation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 29, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.

It's easy enough to replicate and make a part of the queue.  Disney does it at Haunted Mansion.

Did you ever wonder if there are any real things buried there?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 30, 2021, 10:21:59 AM
I notice no one is crying out for Fireman's Cemetery, lol! That is one of the last remnants of the tongue and cheek old SDC that I barely notice myself anymore, but will miss. That particular brand of humor defined the park for the first few generations, but now it probably seems sacrilegious.

It's easy enough to replicate and make a part of the queue.  Disney does it at Haunted Mansion.

Did you ever wonder if there are any real things buried there?

I thought it was once part of the queue for Fire in the Hole. I remember waiting in line and reading the tombstones.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 30, 2021, 11:37:28 AM

I thought it was once part of the queue for Fire in the Hole. I remember waiting in line and reading the tombstones.

Jay

I think it still is part of the queue...well sort of.  The last lane of the queue is bumped up against the cemetery so you could always read tombstones from there.  My memory from the 70's or 80's is a little fuzzy to say the least so maybe someone else can remember.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 30, 2021, 11:49:58 AM
Yes, it was at one point. Then it was an ironic smoking area for awhile.

I'm not saying there should be an outcry to save it or anything, I just think it's another interesting example of the park evolving over time. I just don't think it's the type of humor that SDC goes for anymore. Everything now has to be so upbeat and positive. Even hill billy references are frowned upon because a lot of that "makes fun" of poverty, even though it used to be done in a laughing-with-them sort of way. The new theming will undoubtedly be very positive and focus on heroism and firefighters as opposed to a bunch of dopy baldknobbers and frantic townspeople characters.

You can bet there won't be a hanging scene anymore, lol!

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 01, 2021, 10:16:36 AM

That's pretty much the whole story.....kind of hard to have "memories worth repeating" when those memories are disappearing.

That is still going to be a lot of investment to get that return but it takes money to make money.  I guess the new stuff is "memories worth repeating" for the next generation.

^This

I will be curious to see the backlash and change in attendance numbers and how many long time fans of the park will be lost with the loss of all the classic attractions. You can definitely expect the former. My parents stopped going a while back because they saw the writing on the wall that the park is evolving away from its theme and into another ride filled amusement park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDCisHome on October 01, 2021, 11:02:14 AM
As a 28 year old who has been going to SDC since I was born, I like the changes. Now with that, I have many fond memories of the "old SDC" with LR, FITH and FM. I remember being terrified of LR and FM because the queue lines were super dark and enclosed, but in my opinion, every change that has been made has been for the better. I was mortified when Buzz Saw Falls was removed, but it made room for my favorite ride on park. Now, I understand it was removed for reasons not related to age and being "old". Or when the park got rid of the old green trams and trolleys, heartbreaking.

I think MRF is way better than LR, even though I miss the classic LR, especially the cave. If SDC continues this, and I think it will, the new FITH will be just as good or even better than the old FITH.

I love the idea of a newer, larger train station. Even though I have many memories of the old one, it has run its course. IMO. Having to wait sometimes all the way to corkscrew pass is crazy and if you're just walking through the area, it can be extremely congested.

I personally think an area that needs an overhaul is the entrance. When it's a busy day, the ticket booth line is insane and just trying to get in through security and turnstiles can be tight.

One thing to keep in mind is if the turnstiles don't move, there is no SDC. We all know that. With costs going up it creates the need for them to turn even more. If this is a way to do that and get a nod to the old SDC, then it's what the park has to do. You have to adapt and create new things or you become old, stagnant and the same ol' SDC. Regardless of how much we all love the old SDC, the newer generation, might now and that's the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 02, 2021, 11:32:02 PM
I don't understand this whole "it's all about the $$$" argument. Like.. yeah. That's the point. SDC is theme park. It's meant to generate money. SDC was started to make money with the Hershends, hell even with Lynch and his cave tours. If a ride that's 50 years old and is decayed to the point that it'd be easier to make a new one, then that's what they'll do to save money. Sure it'll aggravate the long time fans. But how many of them would stop coming? A decent bit at most. But all of that doesn't matter because SDC can advertise a shiny new ride and attract more newcomers than old comers leaving. I'll miss the ride for sure, but I'm excited for its replacement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 03, 2021, 01:48:28 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 03, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Not gonna lie I love being a couple hours from a great theme park with world class modern coasters and such but I also come back to re-experience the classics I grew up with. It just won't be the same with them being gone and I don't know if I'll go as often due to that. It would be like Kings Island ripping out The Beast or The Racer or Disney ripping out It's A Small World.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 03, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on October 03, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
Quote
it would be quite easy to convert from Baldknobbers to a "moonshine runner" theme. it is a part of the heritage of the area, fits the time period, and seems not so controversial that it could not be used.
OR
you could keep the vintage Fire fighter theme of FITH - but up grade with real fire effects -

A lumber camp (runaway logging train) might be another theme, or even an actual MINE themed coaster dark-ride (think calico mine at knottsberry) could clear the way for the replacement of the flooded mine.

my greatest fear is the loss of the proper 1880's time frame in the change.

another 2 cents
KevinLong

Not sure what the powers that be have in mind and as a lover of traditional tracked rides....  I am intrigued by the possibility of  a hanging coaster as a fith replacement.  I believe they could so something of that sort in a smaller footprint and scenery.  I push for it to remine indoors ( winter friendly) Its important to have a ride you can count on to be open in whatever weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 04, 2021, 08:58:11 AM
As a 28 year old who has been going to SDC since I was born, I like the changes. Now with that, I have many fond memories of the "old SDC" with LR, FITH and FM. I remember being terrified of LR and FM because the queue lines were super dark and enclosed, but in my opinion, every change that has been made has been for the better. I was mortified when Buzz Saw Falls was removed, but it made room for my favorite ride on park. Now, I understand it was removed for reasons not related to age and being "old". Or when the park got rid of the old green trams and trolleys, heartbreaking.

I think MRF is way better than LR, even though I miss the classic LR, especially the cave. If SDC continues this, and I think it will, the new FITH will be just as good or even better than the old FITH.

I love the idea of a newer, larger train station. Even though I have many memories of the old one, it has run its course. IMO. Having to wait sometimes all the way to corkscrew pass is crazy and if you're just walking through the area, it can be extremely congested.

I personally think and area that needs an overhaul is the entrance. When it's a busy day, the ticket booth line is insane and just trying to get in through security and turnstiles can be tight.

One thing to keep in mind is if the turnstiles don't move, there is no SDC. We all know that. With costs going up it creates the need for them to turn even more. If this is a way to do that and get a nod to the old SDC, then it's what the park has to do. You have to adapt and create new things or you become old, stagnant and the same ol' SDC. Regardless of how much we all love the old SDC, the newer generation, might now and that's the future.

All good points.

Whatever they are building should be impressive and fun for a new generation. It is still interesting to note how things change, and I do worry about them building something that won't have the same reliability, broad appeal, or staying power as the old FITH. It's like watching your favorite movie get remade with a bunch of unproven actors.

I'm sure they are taking many things into account. I just hope the urge for a "world's first" or extreme marketing angle doesn't take over on this one. I also just want it to stay open reliably. Even the Six Flags Justice League Dark Rides from not too many years ago are having a hard time staying open these days. Once the shine is off, parks tend to stop investing in "special" rides like dark rides that take more technical upkeep.

I thought the front entrance would have been redone by now. Not sure what the hold up is there. At this point I hope they are holding off until they can plant a giant resort right there with it. Just take up the whole area where the handicap parking is now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 04, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

If it wasn't for customers they wouldn't have a job.  As a paying customer I have every right to express my opinion as do you.  No I'm not the only voice out there but mine does count.  I'm not asking them to rebuild FITH exactly the same but I am asking for them to keep the general theme.  I have that right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on October 04, 2021, 09:16:36 PM
I still wish SFOT still had the Big Bend roller coaster. I was my first "big" coaster and I loved it. Even though it was legendary, it didn't make sense for the park to keep it, no matter how much I wanted them to. I wish they would rebuild it in a fashion that would work today - but it's forever a memory and one that I long for.

Duelist, I completely understand your concern and hope that the new Fire In The Hole will be very similar to the original. I consider us "purist" but we might be in a minority....I know a lot of families that don't have the same appreciation for that ride that we do. We went with a group of softball families once, and as much as I talked up the ride - most didn't ride it, or if they did, didn't have the same appreciation that I did. I think it's brilliant, but I've thought that since the first time I rode in 1979.

I know that change has to come, even Disney will close an iconic ride and make changes, improvements, etc. I'm excited to see what the park can do with new technology for the scenes and ride itself, possible drop tracks, backward sections, etc. - keep the original "idea" of the ride, but improve the overall ride experience.

This will be an interesting build for sure.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on October 05, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
I'm sure the Baldknobber theme will be gone, and I get it. When FITH was built, the Baldknobbers story was very prominent in Branson. The Baldknobbers theater was a huge attraction. There was a Baldknobbers restaurant. Everybody went to the SOTH outdoor drama and saw the Baldknobbers burn the cabin. As a result, visitors to SDC were familiar with the backstory.

Those days are gone, and most people who ride the ride have a hard time understanding why there are guys in hoods hanging people on the ride. Us "old-timers" will miss the Baldknobber theme if and when it goes away, but most people won't.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on October 05, 2021, 09:45:01 AM
Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

An unjust assessment.  SDC was founded on, and continues to promise, nostalgia.  If they promise a "Great Past Ahead" of me, then they owe me that past. 

I am not afflicted with Novelitis:  I don't need something new every visit.  I go there precisely for the old. 

If they want to change that contract--and, remember,t hey are the ones making the offer--then they should not be surprised when I decide it is no longer worth my time or money.  I dread the day, but it looms closer every year as they update and homogenize and sensitize and modernize.  They creep ever closer to becoming Six Flags over Branson.  When that transformation is complete, I will not return.

So what, says Hershend?  Well, I spend a fair amount of money at the city every year (Covid notwithstanding), likely more than many of the people they are attracting by giving up on the nostalgia. 

And, one more point:  my sons--23 and 20--are no more interested in the modernization or the mega-rides than their parents are, so the appeal to youth is not universally successful. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 05, 2021, 09:51:56 AM
^ Well said, my friend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 05, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Another thing that we need to remember is the MASSIVE numbers of older folks (50+) like myself- who are in the city on any given day. They constitute a HUGE demographic. I am too fat and old to be riding the coasters and thrill rides, so their appeal is limited to me. as I am sure it is to may of the older guests. The flooded mine is still accessible to grandma provided she can get into and out of the boats.

 As I said earlier a "calico mine ride" like at Knotts would be ALL ages friendly and still be able to keep the 1880's theme. It could be argued that 4 or 5 thrill coasters is enough for SDC. It doesn't need to be in the coaster/thrill ride theme park competition with the Disney's or universal studios.

The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 05, 2021, 06:40:54 PM
The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

I would argue that isn’t the biggest draw. I would say that the biggest draw is in fact new marketable rides and bigger name concerts. BUT, the parks unique feel and atmosphere is what has people returning. They come for the big new ride, but fall in love with the park because of everything else. It has to be a delicate balance of the old and new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on October 05, 2021, 07:49:32 PM
The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

I would argue that isn’t the biggest draw. I would say that the biggest draw is in fact new marketable rides and bigger name concerts. BUT, the parks unique feel and atmosphere is what has people returning. They come for the big new ride, but fall in love with the park because of everything else. It has to be a delicate balance of the old and new.

The thing about concerts is that they are a big draw for those individual days and nights but are not a constant throughout the year.  The parks unique feel and atmosphere plus the rides (new & old) is the biggest draws and what's going to keep people coming back.

Like you say it's a balance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 06, 2021, 05:13:19 PM
Here’s a view of the land clearing behind Fireman’s Landing, viewed from Pumpkin Plaza. Pictures can’t do it justice of how much land this is taking up. Wish I could get better photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDCisHome on October 07, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: palallin link=topic=4275.msg82541#msg82541 date=1633445101 [/quote
I dread the day, but it looms closer every year as they update and homogenize and sensitize and modernize.  They creep ever closer to becoming Six Flags over Branson.  When that transformation is complete, I will not return.

While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, the thought that the park is creeping closer to "Six Flags over Branson" is quite absurd. The park is changing, but it's not losing anything in its attempt to make things bright, shiny and new. For me personally, I can still do exactly what I did 25 years ago, actually more. No, I haven't been going to the park for 50 years (I'm 28), but 25-plus is a solid number. Yeah, I can't ride some of the old rides, and there's no Geyser Gulch, but there are newer and better attractions now. The park still clearly has the 1880s theme, the craftsmen are there, the food is the same, you can see the shows and the festivals are solid. I really enjoyed Street Fest back in the spring.

It's all what you make of it. If you don't like it, fine, that's your right, but let's not compare apples and oranges when it comes to SDC, or even Dollywood, to Six Flags. In Missouri, Six Flags St. Louis and Worlds of Fun don't even come close to Silver Dollar City and what it has to offer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 07, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
Very cool, thanks legoerosion.

Here is a resized version of your photo that might be easier to view.

Looks like they are busy adding in a new waterline to support the area.

I will be there tomorrow to get some updated photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 07, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
Sadly, I think there was a time when the park was much more of a "preservation of the older times" sort of park. in the late 60's thru the 80's - Theme parks were newer overall.

Nowadays it is way, way more about entertaining the visitors than educating them. in the past it was more a mix of both; certainly at least 50/50.   Now its seem more like about 80 ent/20 edu. Over time the craftsman and the learning some history with your visit, gives way to the hurry up and wait in line for the newest ride or show.

Times change, and I get it. Fortunately, the theming through out the park is so strong, that it still looks mostly as it did. Priority's in the market can certainly cause that to change quickly though. I think that's what people fear most, the loss of the parts of SDC that gave each of them the best memories.     
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 08, 2021, 01:02:33 AM
^ It's us long term fans that have sustained them through the years.  They need to care about us.  They can't just take for granted we will keep buying season passes every year.  We're just asking them when they do update/rebuild a ride that they keep the ever-important theme.

Because they “owe you”?
I’m sorry, did I accidentally click on DisTwitter or something?  They owe you nothing

Duelist never said he was owed anything.

You are not SDC's traditional audience. You enjoy going all over the country, even around the world, to hit all the latest and greatest amusement rides. Good for you, and I'm glad you enjoy that.

If SDC ignores its past and its theme to attract those who are attracted to the newest shiny thing, those who chase the new and shiny will ignore them as soon as they're not the newest and shiniest. And then, where are the traditional SDC customers who care about the past and the theme more than the new and the shiny?

Not at the park.

And that leaves SDC chasing customers who don't care about what made SDC in the first place, and don't care if it ceases to exist.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 08, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Another thing that we need to remember is the MASSIVE numbers of older folks (50+) like myself- who are in the city on any given day. They constitute a HUGE demographic. I am too fat and old to be riding the coasters and thrill rides, so their appeal is limited to me. as I am sure it is to may of the older guests. The flooded mine is still accessible to grandma provided she can get into and out of the boats.

 As I said earlier a "calico mine ride" like at Knotts would be ALL ages friendly and still be able to keep the 1880's theme. It could be argued that 4 or 5 thrill coasters is enough for SDC. It doesn't need to be in the coaster/thrill ride theme park competition with the Disney's or universal studios.

The biggest draw is the parks unique feel and atmosphere. If you lose that, whats the point.

 

Funny You mention Knott's .

My Son and I have a free Monday between Universal Hollywood and Disneyland next week. We had planned on it hitting Knott's that day, but HangTime is down. We may still go, but it's looking like we are just going to get Six Flags memberships early for 2022 with a trip to SFFT, SGOT and Frontier City planned for 2022.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 08, 2021, 04:41:31 PM
My only recommendation is to skip SFSL at all costs - it has become more like a parking lot fair you might find while driving past a mall. and that is being kind. I spent 4 amazing years working there in the mid 80's, can't believe how far its descended.

Sounds good hope you have some great trips.

Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 08, 2021, 11:55:54 PM
Sadly, I think there was a time when the park was much more of a "preservation of the older times" sort of park. in the late 60's thru the 80's - Theme parks were newer overall.

Nowadays it is way, way more about entertaining the visitors than educating them. in the past it was more a mix of both; certainly at least 50/50.   Now its seem more like about 80 ent/20 edu. Over time the craftsman and the learning some history with your visit, gives way to the hurry up and wait in line for the newest ride or show.

Times change, and I get it. Fortunately, the theming through out the park is so strong, that it still looks mostly as it did. Priority's in the market can certainly cause that to change quickly though. I think that's what people fear most, the loss of the parts of SDC that gave each of them the best memories.     

SDC stopped being a tongue in cheek recreation of Marmaros several decades ago. The construction of Thunderation was the first nail, then buzzsaw falls, then wildfire really drove it home. SDC is a theme park with a really interesting central theme and a great history. They still do a great job with storytelling and customer service among other things, but it is a theme park with modern theme park crowds and they have to evolve with the times as they always have. They have over 2 million guests per year and growing. It's just business.

If they can at least keep the central theme alive and do a decent job with theming and storytelling, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 08, 2021, 11:57:53 PM
Double posting to note that I was at the park today and fresh photos are on our Facebook page. The construction site is just cleared trees and some utilities being laid at the moment. I'm sure we'll see a lot more next year as they start constructing the actual building.  I telling what we are in for until we see a building footprint.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Parson B Ready on October 09, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Almost two years ago I ran into Brad Thomas at SDC.  I expressed my concern about the rumors swirling around FITH's impending doom.  He did not confirm or deny any rumors. But he reassured me that he understands how much FITH means to many of us.  Based on that reassurance, I can only hold out hope that FITH 2.0 will maintain some type of continuity with FITH 1.0. We shall see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on October 12, 2021, 01:58:00 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year. I'm sure the PTB wouldn't appreciate that.

IF we get a new version of FITH, I hope they reuse some of the old, original imagery, props, artifacts, etc. such as the Kinney Bridge sign, pictures from the queue area, Red Flanders gag, etc. I pray that the old stuff just doesn't wind up in a dumpster.

If they don't reuse it, I would love to see an online auction of "relics" with the proceeds going to one of SDC's charitable foundations. I'd give anything for a prop from FITH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on October 12, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 12, 2021, 02:11:14 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?

No.  We have heard FITH2.0 could open either 2022 or 2023.  A lot depends on how the new ride system responds. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KevinLong on October 12, 2021, 05:10:15 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 12, 2021, 06:42:31 PM
^ Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on October 12, 2021, 09:16:43 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin
With the way Swoosh was teasing the RMC powered train for the FITH replacement this is what I thought they'd do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 12, 2021, 10:30:37 PM
I think you have a more likely scenario of a theme like Blazing Fury than Fire in the Hole with baldknobbers. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 13, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
I think you have a more likely scenario of a theme like Blazing Fury than Fire in the Hole with baldknobbers.

Still, there's nothing wrong with showing the drama of the Bald Knobbers.  Dark rides tend to be fraught with bad guys as long as there is a happy ending.  The fact is, these were vigilantes who had "good intentions" to form a law and order league where the regular law was lax.  Some went rogue.

I've never personally heard anyone who likened the Bald Knobbers to clansmen except on this forum.  They don't look like clansmen.  There is no racism portrayed.  This is not a big nod to the Civil War South.  To my knowledge, there have been no protests of the ride.

Of course, you insiders might have heard PTB or others discussing the Bald Knobbers as an issue.  I believe the story should continue to be told in the queue and can still be entertaining in a dark ride, but I have no doubt  someone has heard otherwise, and this will go generic.

Still, I can't imagine the old standards won't also be incorporated.  I imagine the PTB think "Red Flanders..." will appease most diehards.  It will, but it won't appease those of us who are "purists".
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 13, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
It would be great if there is a version of the portrait with the foot sticking out of it as you return to the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 13, 2021, 11:42:53 PM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin

I think that's all that most traditionalists are asking for.

We all know the mechanical aspects of the ride have aged poorly.

We'd just like to ride it again with pretty much the same story line, and hopefully the burning bridge plunge.

We just don't want it to turn into Flooded Mine 2.0, with none of the story and a bunch of annoying nonsense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: msu24 on October 14, 2021, 12:47:30 AM
Apparently a FITH train was spotted being transported on the back of a truck. Probably to be looked at for inspo for new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 14, 2021, 10:36:56 AM
How would you all feel if FITH was simply rebuilt with a new indoor coaster system?

SAME name SAME story, same theme, same coaster style, just with updated lighting, effects, and animatronics. I think while it might not be as splashy as a brand new IP - it could end up being a great draw for the millions of visitors over the years that have enjoyed it. Advertising a refreshed and updated Fire In The Hole might lure those that remember it over the years to return to the park.  Just a thought.  FITH was the initiation of many coaster enthusiasts and regular folks too and I feel they would support it.

another two cents
Kevin

This would be my preferred option, drop track at the burning bridge to simulate a collapse then a launch in darkness.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 26, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
What are the chances this could be what that construction is for behind Fireman's Landing? Think Mystery Mine but with FITH's theme.

https://amusementtoday.com/2021/10/gerstlauer-to-build-one-of-a-kind-infinity-roller-coaster-in-the-united-states/
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 26, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
I would think the chances are basically nil if they are really rebuilding anything similar to FITH. The RMC powered coaster prototype rumor seems most logically sound.

Plus it would be an odd choice after Time Traveler, especially with two other looping coasters in the park already. They don't need anymore inverting coasters unless it is something unique like a flyer or an invert or something. The park is in far more need of good family coasters. Plural.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 26, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
I would think the chances are basically nil if they are really rebuilding anything similar to FITH. The RMC powered coaster prototype rumor seems most logically sound.

Plus it would be an odd choice after Time Traveler, especially with two other looping coasters in the park already. They don't need anymore inverting coasters unless it is something unique like a flyer or an invert or something. The park is in far more need of good family coasters. Plural.

Agree, they need a tightly woven mess of noniverting Intamin fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 27, 2021, 12:54:14 AM
I was merely going by the logic looking at the parks recent track record. They could have simply rebuilt Lost River as it was with a new layout but they went for the attention getting tallest/wettest/longest by adding a high thrill element with that tower and drop feature on MRF. I have a feeling the FITH rebuild will follow this same pattern.

I would love to be wrong on this one tho.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 27, 2021, 11:07:22 AM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Don’t count on Baldknobbers.  I’d expect a theme more like Blazing Fury where they focus on firefighters putting out fires around town.  No explanation on how they started
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on October 28, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Don’t count on Baldknobbers.  I’d expect a theme more like Blazing Fury where they focus on firefighters putting out fires around town.  No explanation on how they started

I expect that the Baldknobbers are done for. Not because they require too much explanation, because even 50 years ago they were highly local lore, and much of the park's theming explained the story of Marmaros and the Baldknobbers for those "foreign" visitors from places as remote as Springfield and Arkansas.

No, I expect they'll be gone because people no longer want explanations, and don't have the patience for it.

People today become outraged by seeing capirotes worn by Spanish penitents. They don't have time to learn that the auto-da-fé was what you oughtn't to do, but do anyway. ;)

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: runner1960 on October 29, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
^ If they change anything I would hope they would go with animatronics.  Nothing too scary for kids but it would be nice to see the Baldknobbers move like the Pirates of the Caribbean.

I think the best that we will get is some Easter eggs thrown in. But, with the old ride operating until the new is opened even that might not happen.

As for animatronics, I am hoping they go with screens and projection mapping. The new attractions coming out with this technology are simply amazing. Hopefully it is not cost prohibitive and less maintenance to go this way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 29, 2021, 11:44:33 AM
So is this the last year for FITH?  Will they definitely tear down the old building next year?  Or keep it open until the new ride is finished? I can't imagine them going through a whole year with the loss of one of the few indoor rides they have.  Of course this is all assumption that the new ride will be the FITH replacement.  We still don't know anything officially.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on October 29, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
While at the park on Saturday, I overheard one of the guest craft vendors tell another visitor to enjoy FITH because it will be gone after this year.

So this year is possibly the last year of FITH instead of next year?

No.  We have heard FITH2.0 could open either 2022 or 2023.  A lot depends on how the new ride system responds.

Well I asked pretty much the same question without a clear cut answer.  When Pudgy Jones says rumor says "it will be gone after THIS year"  I figured this means after the 21 season and next would be after the 22 season.  Swoosh mentioned the 22 or 23 season but was talking about when the new ride would open and not when the old FITH would close.

The best I can determine is when the new FITH opens whether it be 22 or 23 the old FITH would immediately shut down and cease operations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 30, 2021, 10:48:04 AM
I am expecting the announcement to be made in August next year and to see FITH close down around then so they can start demolishing the area and constructing the new train station or whatever they have planned. Hopefully they'll give everyone plenty of advanced warning, but they didn't when FM was torn down... They only gave a couple weeks warning before taking down geyser gulch.

I hope they do have some practical effects, animatronics, and plenty of goofy mannequin scenes like the old ride. If they don't preserve the red flander's scene then we'll know they really don't care about anything SDC anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 30, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
I am expecting the announcement to be made in August next year and to see FITH close down around then so they can start demolishing the area and constructing the new train station or whatever they have planned. Hopefully they'll give everyone plenty of advanced warning, but they didn't when FM was torn down... They only gave a couple weeks warning before taking down geyser gulch.

I hope they do have some practical effects, animatronics, and plenty of goofy mannequin scenes like the old ride. If they don't preserve the red flander's scene then we'll know they really don't care about anything SDC anymore.

When you say FM, I assume you mean LR.

I've been thinking about the Red Flanders scene and wondering if, at least, it might still mention the Bald Knobbers, even if Bald Knobbers do not appear in the ride itself.  Might that still be an approach to keep the historical and geographical theme and not simply make another generic ride focused on fire fighting?

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 30, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
Judging how long the wait lines have been for FITH I would say most, if any, are not offended by the Baldknobber theme.  As you said earlier, HB, the only negative things we've heard have been on this site.  But SDC does need to keep things in the queue line explaining the story.  I would hate to think they would get rid of the iconic picture to the right of the queue line when you come into the building explaining the fire- even if it's not that accurate to history as to the burning of Marmaros.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on October 30, 2021, 03:39:51 PM
I would suspect if they would of had too many complaints about the Baldknobber theme that it would have disappeared by now.  At least in the past it seemed things were smoothed over when it came to hillbillies and guns.  Still they may take the road to try and stay pc and just not have them in the new ride.

I saw somewhere that someone said the saloon part of FITH was going to be incorporated into the new FITH which would be pretty nice.  Now if they would just bring everything else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 30, 2021, 06:14:15 PM
Oh, there are plenty of comments you can overhear just from people waiting in line. It only takes one dingus to make a stink for it to go "viral" that SDC has a "KKK ride". It's dumb obviously, but it's exactly the type of dumb thing that they might be worried about. It would be nice if they could keep a few baldknobbers around with a little context added, but SDC has gotten worse about telling stories well through theming. Remember how TT's queue was supposed to be a "clock factory"? lol

Anyway, just noticed Carr Excavating has posted some fresh photos from the dig site. Looks like they are still in the throes of uncovering electric lines and laying utilities.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 17, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
https://twitter.com/PlntAttractions/status/1460648008891174919

Look at how far animatronics have come. That new small park in Iowa is getting these for their dark ride... SDC could easily afford a few of these bad boys.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on November 17, 2021, 02:41:04 PM
^ That looks amazing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 25, 2021, 06:28:25 AM
If and when they redo American Plunge. And... I truly hope they keep a flume style ride. They need to add a family with it.

I have said it before but said it again.

Here is a pic I took from 2019 from Europa Park and it's insane landscaping doing just this
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 03, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
Posted some new photos on the FB page. Looks like most of the underground stuff is in place and they have leveled and compacted the area. I'll bet when we return in springtime there will be a foundation in place. Heck, they may have the walls up by then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 03, 2021, 06:42:16 PM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 05, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.

You mean the show building for the new ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 06, 2021, 11:42:47 AM
It would be nice if they use a large structure to block the view of the outside world from inside the City.

You mean the show building for the new ride?

Hopefully, they are using it as a duel purpose to block the view.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on January 05, 2022, 11:16:47 AM
I know it’s middle of January but does anyone have any updates?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 05, 2022, 06:42:38 PM
I saw some post on Fakebook with 2022 and a line from FITH. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on January 05, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
It looks like they were almost or already done leveling out the land last week. They had a bunch of pipes and electrical work (understandably so) sticking out from the ground, so I wouldn't be surprised if they go vertical soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Kisco on January 06, 2022, 03:49:12 PM
I have been following SDCfans for some time, but just registered today.  I was at SDC last week, but wasn't able to see any of the development.  I did get a facebook message from SDC showing a 2022 in the background and a baldnobber quote from FITH in the middle.  Would this mean that the replacement might open later this year?  In looking at where the current FITH is now and the condition of the Saloon, I think building a new Saloon where the current FITH is would be a better move than putting a new train station there.  The current Saloon could then be replaced with a new train station.  This would allow a much bigger Saloon that is fully disability compliant and much more room.  There might have to be some re-grading done to the train track if it needs to be level at the train station, but I think there would be room for that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on January 06, 2022, 04:55:09 PM
Putting the station where the Saloon is would require putting the boarding on the second floor; difficult to do and be ADA compliant.  As for re-grading the right-of-way to bring the track to street level there:  ain't gonna happen.  Far too much dirt moving.  The engines have pretty much all they can do to manage the grade already in place.  Trying to put the station there at street level would require grades more appropriate for Outlaw Run    :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 06, 2022, 09:16:51 PM
I have been following SDCfans for some time, but just registered today.  I was at SDC last week, but wasn't able to see any of the development.  I did get a facebook message from SDC showing a 2022 in the background and a baldnobber quote from FITH in the middle.  Would this mean that the replacement might open later this year?  In looking at where the current FITH is now and the condition of the Saloon, I think building a new Saloon where the current FITH is would be a better move than putting a new train station there.  The current Saloon could then be replaced with a new train station.  This would allow a much bigger Saloon that is fully disability compliant and much more room.  There might have to be some re-grading done to the train track if it needs to be level at the train station, but I think there would be room for that.

2022 refers to the farewell season for the current version

Saloon is staying put

Current plan is to put new station where FITH is currently.  It will also help connect Westward area and Opera House
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on January 07, 2022, 08:26:56 PM
You know, there are already tons of people in that area by FITH, it would seem like putting the train station there would make matters much worse.  You would have the tons of people that would be there already combined with the tons of people that would normally be over by the train station area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 07, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 10, 2022, 02:16:29 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.

I would expect to see a simple wide overhead bridge kicking out NE behind Opera House over the tracks tied to the sidewalk between the silos and Outlaw Run.  There is already a maintenece road there, so they will have to deal with that small detail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on January 10, 2022, 03:06:37 PM
If you ask me how I'd design the path, follow the red line.  It makes loop around the back end that would greatly help with crowd flow.  But they'd have to move some maintenance buildings which is probably too much to ask for.  So, I'm guessing the most likely option for the "new loop" is the blue path, unfortunately, which I don't really see helping flow that much. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 10, 2022, 04:44:38 PM
^You have to consider there will actually be two crossover sites, not just the one. The first one will be located as mentioned above connecting the old FITH area with OR and Wilsons Farm and another will be over behind Firemans Landing where the FITH replacement will be built. I highly doubt they would reroute the railroad tracks. I would expect a walkway bridge over them building a tunnel unless they are willing to spend the extra $$$ on infrastructure and earth work to accommodate one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 10, 2022, 08:07:52 PM
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You’re thinking of it as a dead end.  It’ll be a new loop.  Better guest flow
Another corkscrew?  Or a pedestrian tunnel?  Wouldn't seem like they would want to man another crossing.

Think of what they do at Dollywood.  The crossing would be right next to the station so that the attendants there could do both

^You have to consider there will actually be two crossover sites, not just the one. The first one will be located as mentioned above connecting the old FITH area with OR and Wilsons Farm and another will be over behind Firemans Landing where the FITH replacement will be built. I highly doubt they would reroute the railroad tracks. I would expect a walkway bridge over them building a tunnel unless they are willing to spend the extra $$$ on infrastructure and earth work to accommodate one.

The entrance to the new FITH will be go under the track.  The track is already above grade at that location
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 18, 2022, 11:20:00 AM
I do not like the idea of moving the train station there.

Between the Saloon show, opry house, many of the most popular rides already being around the area....how in the world can ya add the masses of people who come on and off that train?  Plus adding OR shortcut? The stations current location is basically dead without the station around.  That corner by the saloon is already Times Square of SDC....lol

Anyone know if they would 'close' the current loop? or would it stay open?  It would be kinda tough on everyone if that had to go up by OR to complete the loop. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 18, 2022, 11:54:42 AM
Opening the pathway as Swoosh mentioned will help with flow. Plus, simply having a station capable of holding a trainful of guests will be a big improvement and keep people siloed.

I think the area around the current station plus Flooded Mine is inevitably scheduled for yet another "area refresh" that will see mass bulldozing and starting over with some new quirky attraction that will be designed to grab people's attention. I posted more about my thoughts on that in the long term discussion thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 18, 2022, 07:18:12 PM
So just a timeline thought....

Currently construction is ongoing for the new FITH...with anticipation of opening in 2023.

So when will the deconstruction of the old FITH and construction of the new area, loop, and train station take place? Would that wait until after next season 2022 and continue construction through the 2023 season? Then open that area in 2024? Or would SDC close the old FITH mid season in 2022 to have everything done for 2023?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 18, 2022, 10:48:39 PM
Current speculation is the demo will likely take place in either the 2022 off season or sometime in 2023, but no later than the 2023 off season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 19, 2022, 11:28:27 AM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2022, 12:41:00 PM
Announcing FiTH removal better come with a lot of focus on a new ride and big explanation on why it can't be saved.  Going to be a PR challenge.  Not sure if there is another ride in the park that will be more missed by the general public SDC regulars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2022, 01:01:47 PM
Clarification Questions?

Are they planning a loop from fireman's landing around the lake to Wilsons farm?  Not sure where the building is there planning.  if they loop over the train maintenance buildings that would open up so new land.....and possible backgate like place for resort/hotel off 76. 

Plus a loop from Wilsons Farm to Opry House? 

Is the new Building behind the Landings Restooms/Flyer....across the tracks I assume in the current 'backlot'....or is is behind the exposition hall....behind firefall?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2022, 07:31:49 PM
Clarification Questions?

Are they planning a loop from fireman's landing around the lake to Wilsons farm?  Not sure where the building is there planning.  if they loop over the train maintenance buildings that would open up so new land.....and possible backgate like place for resort/hotel off 76. 

Plus a loop from Wilsons Farm to Opry House? 

Is the new Building behind the Landings Restooms/Flyer....across the tracks I assume in the current 'backlot'....or is is behind the exposition hall....behind firefall?

Only new loop would be Western area to Opry House.  The only loop that FL will see is around Lake Silver when that pathway is open. 

FITH 2.0 is in Shad’s parking lot which is directly across the tracks from the kiddie drop tower and parallel to the Firehouse Playhouse. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: palallin on January 20, 2022, 08:44:05 AM
Announcing FiTH removal better come with a lot of focus on a new ride and big explanation on why it can't be saved.  Going to be a PR challenge.  Not sure if there is another ride in the park that will be more missed by the general public SDC regulars.

You are assuming that the PTB care what we think.  They obviously do not.  We are not their target audience.  The general public and SDC regulars are two different groups, and the former is by far the larger and therefore the one of interest to them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 20, 2022, 12:11:59 PM
Yeah, they will want to move past the disappointment in FITH closing ASAP. There won't be any discussion on why FITH can't be saved and they certainly don't want to dive into all that pubicly. Imagine trying to communicate to your average FB audience why a building has had numerous issues for decades and yet has been allowed to continue to operate as a ride. They'd probably be open to a lawsuit if people realized how much mold is in the building, lol. Not to mention the basic aspect of not wanting to bum people out by talking about all the historic elements and memories that will be lost.

All focus will be on marketing the new ride, and therefore tickets/passes to the park. That's the business after all.

I just want them to save the mural and bring back some of the iconic scenes. If there isn't a Red Flanders scene in the new version we'll know they don't care anymore. Somehow I have a feeling he will make the jump though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 20, 2022, 01:06:55 PM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.

Since they are not building the new FITH where the old one stands would they need to close the old one before the end of the season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 21, 2022, 08:47:08 AM
I saw a well-known SDC employee make a reference on Facebook awhile back about SDC having auctions from time-to-time. What is the possibility that the general public could buy "artifacts" from FITH? I would love having something from that ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 21, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Yeah, we all need to get our rides in on FITH before August. Typical pattern is that they make the announcement in August and close for demolition shortly after. They didn't give much time after they announced Geyser Gulch was closing for people to enjoy it one last time. No reason to believe they'll make a big show of FITH's goodbye either since they'll want people to focus on what is coming instead of what is going away.

Since they are not building the new FITH where the old one stands would they need to close the old one before the end of the season?

They would if the rumor is true about them building a new train station in the area is true, assuming they would also do that for 2023 and not make that a 2024 project. I'm sure they would want to start razing the area ASAP since it will take so much work to get everything ready. We'll see what happens, I just wouldn't count on being able to ride it all the way through the end of the year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 21, 2022, 05:53:08 PM
^ Wishful thinking on my part.  It would be great to have it open during OTC if the weather shuts the other rides down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on January 21, 2022, 11:47:23 PM
The Fire in the Hole specific 2022 job listing goes through the end of the season. Not that they couldn’t transfer them to another position later, but on the surface, this looks like it will be open all season. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 22, 2022, 10:40:10 AM
^ Great!  Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2023 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 22, 2022, 08:54:40 PM
I saw a well-known SDC employee make a reference on Facebook awhile back about SDC having auctions from time-to-time. What is the possibility that the general public could buy "artifacts" from FITH? I would love having something from that ride.

Now, what would you possibly do with that picture of the guy with his foot hanging out? :o