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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => General Silver Dollar City Talk => Topic started by: Preachin_Bill on June 06, 2021, 02:06:41 PM
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Well, I have not seen this posted yet so if I missed it my apologies.
The lead character as Scrooge for Dickens (Dave Wallace I believe his name is?) has apparently been fired by SDC (or “let go” as they say to make it sound nice) due to budget cuts. His girlfriend was also let go. These are two faces who have been there for awhile and of course incredibly talented.
This coupled with the news of the Sons means that Dickens must be on the chopping block, since one of the Sons was always Bob Cratchet, wasnt he?
SDC must not like a packed house for dang near every show. Makes no sense.
Hopefully I’m wrong as that was such a great production, pound for pound the best stage show I’ve seen.
Anyone else hear this?
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I have contacted SDC and will post if there is a response. I encourage other fans of the show to let your voices be heard as well in a respectable manner.
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Well, I have not seen this posted yet so if I missed it my apologies.
The lead character as Scrooge for Dickens (Dave Wallace I believe his name is?) has apparently been fired by SDC (or “let go” as they say to make it sound nice) due to budget cuts. His girlfriend was also let go. These are two faces who have been there for awhile and of course incredibly talented.
This coupled with the news of the Sons means that Dickens must be on the chopping block, since one of the Sons was always Bob Cratchet, wasnt he?
SDC must not like a packed house for dang near every show. Makes no sense.
Hopefully I’m wrong as that was such a great production, pound for pound the best stage show I’ve seen.
Anyone else hear this?
Just to clarify, Rachel is not David's girlfriend. She is his wife.
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There’s a lot more to the story. I wouldn’t count on seeing Dickens, Wonderful Life or even Rueben’s ever returning to the park and if they do, they will be completely different shows.
And all 3 Sons were in Christmas Shows.
In the end, the truth will come out... not my story to tell.
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For a while, the 2 skinny guys from the "sons" switched back and forth for playing Scrooge because they easily resembled each other. When 1 went on break, the other would come in. The bigger one played the first ghost, town cryer, and the third ghost (Bart had to tell me who played the 3rd ghost because I couldn't figure it out myself.). Catfish (employee before 2010) might have been the original person who played the first ghost. I know the role of town cryer eventually switched to the man who plays the deputy. As far as I know, Bart always played Jacob Marley. Bart was also in the saloon show for a year. I think I heard that the role of Tom Jenkins might have switched to one of the "sons" at one point. We all know Cassandra Haygood used to play the 2nd ghost years ago. That's about all I know.
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Search on Facebook shows that Dave and Rachel are both working at Dolly Parton's stampede now... At least they were able to stay local.
I've got a couple friends who are in the band at the Dean Z show and both were still able to work there, but that isn't their only job. I imagine there are a lot of Branson musicians/singers who had to make a tough choice in the last year. Actually, probably not just in Branson
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There’s a lot more to the story. I wouldn’t count on seeing Dickens, Wonderful Life or even Rueben’s ever returning to the park and if they do, they will be completely different shows.
And all 3 Sons were in Christmas Shows.
In the end, the truth will come out... not my story to tell.
I sure will be following this closely as these shows were my main reasons for re-upping season passes every year. We loved Dave and Rachel and am shocked to hear they are gone. What a shame and I sure hope the truth does come out.
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Those two were stalwarts of SDC entertainment for ages - at least a decade or more? I have heard grumblings that the park got into some copyright disputes from some of those shows - we all pointed out that most of the tunes belonged to Disney and were only slightly changed... Even if that is true, it shouldn't be that hard to work around and retool. Obviously there are plenty of community theatres around the country that manage to put on great productions all the time without raiding the Disney music vault. I wonder if they got scapegoated or if the park simply doesn't want to bother with these kinds of productions anymore.
The shows at Christmas especially were massive draws. Does SDC really think they can replace all their entertainment with karaoke style shows like other cheap amusement parks have?
They spent all that money on Ruben's... I know it wasn't that great of a show, but I expected it to be improved over time. The stage setup was pretty sweet at least...
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Those two were stalwarts of SDC entertainment for ages - at least a decade or more? I have heard grumblings that the park got into some copyright disputes from some of those shows - we all pointed out that most of the tunes belonged to Disney and were only slightly changed... Even if that is true, it shouldn't be that hard to work around and retool. Obviously there are plenty of community theatres around the country that manage to put on great productions all the time without raiding the Disney music vault. I wonder if they got scapegoated or if the park simply doesn't want to bother with these kinds of productions anymore.
The shows at Christmas especially were massive draws. Does SDC really think they can replace all their entertainment with karaoke style shows like other cheap amusement parks have?
They spent all that money on Ruben's... I know it wasn't that great of a show, but I expected it to be improved over time. The stage setup was pretty sweet at least...
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Those two were stalwarts of SDC entertainment for ages - at least a decade or more? I have heard grumblings that the park got into some copyright disputes from some of those shows - we all pointed out that most of the tunes belonged to Disney and were only slightly changed... Even if that is true, it shouldn't be that hard to work around and retool. Obviously there are plenty of community theatres around the country that manage to put on great productions all the time without raiding the Disney music vault. I wonder if they got scapegoated or if the park simply doesn't want to bother with these kinds of productions anymore.
The shows at Christmas especially were massive draws. Does SDC really think they can replace all their entertainment with karaoke style shows like other cheap amusement parks have?
They spent all that money on Ruben's... I know it wasn't that great of a show, but I expected it to be improved over time. The stage setup was pretty sweet at least...
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Music Copyright can be very much policed and there can be really big fines. I know in one of my videos I did for St. Jude - just some regular instrumental music was $1,000 for the right to use it - so we found some free music, but it just didn't have the same feel.
I owned a gym and there were fees just to play music for people hear while working out.
But probably similar to SDC, my local high school had to completely change their Show Choir performance because they couldn't get the rights to some songs. I also filmed a video for the school and we had destroy it because of contested copyright issues.
I just don't know though what constitutes infringement - some popular songs today sample so much from other popular songs - but no credit is mentioned. Just listen to the new Jonas Brother's song Leave Before You Love Me.....and Wham!'s Last Christmas. Way too similar to not give credit to the original writers.
Jay
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There was someone making the rounds in places in Springfield, MO to check to see if people had paid their licensing fees. One had to stop having live music because they got a cease and desist or pay up notice and they only had live music on Friday nights and were primarily a sports bar. Several other places got fines. It was a mess...
The bad thing is that it is a racket. The money they collect never actually makes it to the artists... But they have you over a barrel
I kind of figured that SDC would be smart enough to get the licensing though... Kind of surprised they didn't.
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Most of the music in Dickens was lifted directly from a well established musical. Most of the music in Wonderful Life was listed directly from 4 musicals. Most of Rueben’s was lifted from Disney (Super expensive to get rights)
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Kinda makes me wonder how much longer it will be before we see the Time Traveler queue music suspended for similar reasons if this is indeed what has been going on. Unless it has indeed for sure been given rights to use.
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Kinda makes me wonder how much longer it will be before we see the Time Traveler queue music suspended for similar reasons if this is indeed what has been going on. Unless it has indeed for sure been given rights to use.
There’s a difference between a cover and being lifted. Also it’s been said that those covers will never be sold for profit
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Kinda makes me wonder how much longer it will be before we see the Time Traveler queue music suspended for similar reasons if this is indeed what has been going on. Unless it has indeed for sure been given rights to use.
There’s a difference between a cover and being lifted. Also it’s been said that those covers will never be sold for profit
Gotcha. So its similar to the "fair use" clause.
For anyone else wondering about this:
https://flypaper.soundfly.com/hustle/how-to-legally-cover-a-song/
"Fair and Transformative" use:
https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html
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Kinda makes me wonder how much longer it will be before we see the Time Traveler queue music suspended for similar reasons if this is indeed what has been going on. Unless it has indeed for sure been given rights to use.
There’s a difference between a cover and being lifted. Also it’s been said that those covers will never be sold for profit
Gotcha. So its similar to the "fair use" clause.
For anyone else wondering about this:
https://flypaper.soundfly.com/hustle/how-to-legally-cover-a-song/
"Fair and Transformative" use:
https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html
No.
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Ending these shows will really cut into the attendance and bottom line at Christmas. The younger generation may not care but the coasters cant roll in cold weather, the shows were weather proof. The shows kept the adults happy. That is very unfortunate.
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^ There are a few others that should be back like the Fa-La-La Frontier Follies saloon show, the Living Nativity (which really should move back to the Homestead with live animals like it was when it started), Tinker the Talking Christmas Tree and the strolling carolers. Surely SDC has some other shows they are working on for Christmas. They can be very good at writing their own shows so that is a doable option.
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The fact that the park hadn't licensed these songs is absurd to me. I can't really blame the rightsholders for finally speaking up. How did these shows even last so long?
I really can't imagine them ditching Christmas Carol. They can't find anyone to write a little bit of an original score with a mix of public domain Christmas songs sprinkled in? Dolly wouldn't be willing to help a sister park out?
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Music Copyright can be very much policed and there can be really big fines. I know in one of my videos I did for St. Jude - just some regular instrumental music was $1,000 for the right to use it - so we found some free music, but it just didn't have the same feel.
I owned a gym and there were fees just to play music for people hear while working out.
But probably similar to SDC, my local high school had to completely change their Show Choir performance because they couldn't get the rights to some songs. I also filmed a video for the school and we had destroy it because of contested copyright issues.
I just don't know though what constitutes infringement - some popular songs today sample so much from other popular songs - but no credit is mentioned. Just listen to the new Jonas Brother's song Leave Before You Love Me.....and Wham!'s Last Christmas. Way too similar to not give credit to the original writers.
Jay
And also Air Supply "Lost in Love"
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Bring back the Frosty Snowman show.
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Music Copyright can be very much policed and there can be really big fines. I know in one of my videos I did for St. Jude - just some regular instrumental music was $1,000 for the right to use it - so we found some free music, but it just didn't have the same feel.
I owned a gym and there were fees just to play music for people hear while working out.
But probably similar to SDC, my local high school had to completely change their Show Choir performance because they couldn't get the rights to some songs. I also filmed a video for the school and we had destroy it because of contested copyright issues.
I just don't know though what constitutes infringement - some popular songs today sample so much from other popular songs - but no credit is mentioned. Just listen to the new Jonas Brother's song Leave Before You Love Me.....and Wham!'s Last Christmas. Way too similar to not give credit to the original writers.
Jay
And also Air Supply "Lost in Love"
Not to be confused with being All out of Love.
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Looks like they are still planning for Dickens this year:
https://hfecorp-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=16357&company_id=16687&version=6&source=ONLINE&jobOwner=992848&aid=1 (https://hfecorp-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=16357&company_id=16687&version=6&source=ONLINE&jobOwner=992848&aid=1)
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/219661060_10159563802702603_8817149137376344160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=lpwcN95PFNcAX-TmaAi&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c5eaa12da5ed351d23102c1b7f4439b7&oe=60FBD8C9)
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Guessing it will be all new music unless they signed some deals, lol. Without Rachel and David though, it will be a very different show in any case. Those two were undeniably talented, and a large part of what made the old show stand out. It's going to be hard to make a new Dicken's that doesn't come across like a high school production without some good actors.
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When I thought they weren't bringing 'A Christmas Carol" back at all I guess that made some since why they would let the actors go as well. But now that they're apparently bringing it back why let David and Rachel go? There's something we (at least I ) don't know about this. David and Rachel were very entertaining.
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When I thought they weren't bringing 'A Christmas Carol" back at all I guess that made some since why they would let the actors go as well. But now that they're apparently bringing it back why let David and Rachel go? There's something we (at least I ) don't know about this. David and Rachel were very entertaining.
I think you’re leaving out someone else that’s just as important. Tom Johnson who played Bob Cratchet.
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^ I agree he was very important and talented but when they canned the Sons of the Silver Dollar Show I figured he would leave the park. It's David and Rachel that has me puzzled- unless they are gone for the same reason since the Echo Hollow show didn't come back.
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Good to hear they are going to give it a try. Still strange to see them let go of David and Rachel...I always liked Tom Johnson as well, but as was said his big thing was Sons of the Silver Dollar.
As far as the copywrite stuff goes, I highly doubt pressure was felt from every single song they use. It shouldn't be difficult to keep the show the same and change out a problematic song or to, so I'm glad they are doing it. But getting rid of David and Rachel still doesn't make sense.
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I guess from looking at the picture they have for Children's Christmas Auditions they are using A Christmas Carol though the ad doesn't really mention that that is the show they are doing auditions for: https://twitter.com/SDCAttractions/status/1417228486410919941/photo/1
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I guess from looking at the picture they have for Children's Christmas Auditions they are using A Christmas Carol though the ad doesn't really mention that that is the show they are doing auditions for: https://twitter.com/SDCAttractions/status/1417228486410919941/photo/1
I wondered the same, but this link (https://hfecorp-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=16357&company_id=16687&version=6&source=ONLINE&jobOwner=992848&aid=1 (https://hfecorp-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=16357&company_id=16687&version=6&source=ONLINE&jobOwner=992848&aid=1)) does say it is for Christmas Carol.
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Good catch HB! I was giving them the benefit of a doubt. FYI I am NOT applying for the role of Tiny Tim LOL
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I just briefly saw the thread, so you all may already know this. But, regarding whether this is for A Christmas Carol or not, this is from the SDC site directly:
Auditions for A Dickens’ Christmas Carol Roles:
Tiny Tim (must be no taller than 55") and sister Martha
When: Wednesday, August 4 @ 1PM
Where: Chateau on the Lake
Silver Dollar City is casting male and female child singer/dancers for An Old Time Christmas. Have two songs in the style(s) you do best prepared for audition. A verse and a chorus of each song is sufficient. Accompanist, CD player and auxiliary for MP3/Phones will be provided.
In order to be considered, you must submit a formal application below or fill out an application at audition.
Rehearsal: October 25 - November 5, 2021
Show Run: November 6 - December 30, 2021
(Notification of casting by August 9)
Summary: Audition to be a performer in one of our many shows! You could portray a role in a dramatic, comedic, romantic or musical production. We are looking for entertaining candidates who are able to learn songs, choreography, and lines from a script for their specified role.
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If you haven't seen the show as of yet, there is only one song left in the show that had been there originally: Ave Maria, which is in the public domain. Every other song has changed. There is a bit of sampling and hints of the old songs, but all new music. And, I believe, it may all be original as well. It will take some getting used to, but I think it's also likely confirmation that copyrights were a major issue with it.
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Are the songs any good? I wonder who wrote them.
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Not to speak ill of the dead, and I did like Brad Shrader, but I often spoke out against his love of Jukebox Musicals. Before his time, many SDC shows had a lot of original music. I wrote one for the Hatfield and McCoy talent contest in the Riverfront Playhouse. D.A.Calaway wrote several, and other SDC entertainers did as well. They also contracted original songs from outside writers. Everyone knows the FITH theme, the Flooded Mine song, and such. Those have survived and are memorable and unique. Do we really need to be doing Muppet Treasure Island? Seems lazy to me. Sorry about the rant. Pet Peeve.
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Not to speak ill of the dead, and I did like Brad Shrader, but I often spoke out against his love of Jukebox Musicals. Before his time, many SDC shows had a lot of original music. I wrote one for the Hatfield and McCoy talent contest in the Riverfront Playhouse. D.A.Calaway wrote several, and other SDC entertainers did as well. They also contracted original songs from outside writers. Everyone knows the FITH theme, the Flooded Mine song, and such. Those have survived and are memorable and unique. Do we really need to be doing Muppet Treasure Island? Seems lazy to me. Sorry about the rant. Pet Peeve.
Preach it!!!
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My family and I watched Dickens on Saturday and enjoyed it. Yes, the songs are different, but they are still good. It is still a fantastic free show. Due to expected crowd levels, we bought a Show Lover's Pass and feel like we got our money's worth.