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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: Swoosh on September 06, 2017, 02:09:41 PM
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This is your official thread to post updates and speculations dealing the 2019 operating season for Silver Dollar City properties in Branson, MO.
Remember to list credits if you post photos that come from a different site and/or are not your own.
Thanks and happy speculating.
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I certainly wouldn't guess at much in the way of new rides for 2019 at this point considering the colossal expenditure this year. I'd love to see another year of shows emphasis though.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?
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Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?
I look for that to happen this winter. :-\ :-\ At least take down the wall and rework that part.
I personally am hoping they dont take out the little "creek" area just inside the wall, maybe just a wider functional bridge or crossing of some kind ;D
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Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?
I look for that to happen this winter. :-\ :-\ At least take down the wall and rework that part.
I personally am hoping they dont take out the little "creek" area just inside the wall, maybe just a wider functional bridge or crossing of some kind ;D
I agree that this will probably happen this winter. They are essentially done with track installment on TT and have now moved onto integration with the park (through removal of structures and new additions which will start to pop up).
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That's not really the actual pinch point though. They need to either completely rip out and expand everything through the hospitality house or build the second pathway around the cave opening. Widening the plaza behind the big logo would just make it uglier without much benefit, if done by itself.
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That's not really the actual pinch point though. They need to either completely rip out and expand everything through the hospitality house or build the second pathway around the cave opening. Widening the plaza behind the big logo would just make it uglier without much benefit, if done by itself.
Youre right of course.... hadnt thought that far in.... but right inside the turnstiles... people stop to put away their passes, wait on the kids, get the ESV's, pick up strollers, look at bakery..... that whole area is packed!!..
Then the bottleneck up by the cave entrance going through there... especially at christmas time!!
So really, 3 problem areas.... have to see what the PTB come up with... ;D
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My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area. Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area. Make entrance be off square.
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions.
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I like all of that except removing the HH. Love that old building.
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I like all of that except removing the HH. Love that old building.
It is no longer useful in its current setup. It would also be in the way of the new walkway configurations.
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My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area. Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area. Make entrance be off square.
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions.
The current rental area is a huge bottleneck....but I cant picture them moving it. They have a huge storage area for the strollers/carts right behind the booth. They can't move that into the little customer service shack. A two secordary path though for people to take to avoid that would be great.
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My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area. Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area. Make entrance be off square.
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions.
The current rental area is a huge bottleneck....but I cant picture them moving it. They have a huge storage area for the strollers/carts right behind the booth. They can't move that into the little customer service shack. A two secordary path though for people to take to avoid that would be great.
So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???
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So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???
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That would be great. I thought the sinkhole was right behind that shack? I can quite picture how that shack is positioned currently. I would have guessed they wouldn't have enough room. I would have guessed a new building by the current bathrooms in the ticket building would be the best place for adding a new shooter place. I think there a parking lot behind it that just could be used.
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I like all of that except removing the HH. Love that old building.
It is no longer useful in its current setup. It would also be in the way of the new walkway configurations.
During the backups in there at Christmas time for the trams, I can't imagine how much gift taking goes on in there
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So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???
That would be great. I thought the sinkhole was right behind that shack? I can quite picture how that shack is positioned currently. I would have guessed they wouldn't have enough room. I would have guessed a new building by the current bathrooms in the ticket building would be the best place for adding a new shooter place. I think there a parking lot behind it that just could be used.
I was talking about right next door to the current GR building. There is the former wedding booking building that is no longer being used that could be bulldozed and the storage building could be built there. The current GR building will have to be remodeled anyway to handle rentals and Trailblazer/Showlover passes.
As for the bathrooms, That can be remodeled and expanded some into the area. I was thinking the "Newsies" building could go in that corner off the back of the OM building -- it would be to your immediate left once you enter the new gates.
NEW LOGO AREA -- so I was thinking the log and axe could be moved to the planter area south of the Administration Building. (so around the corner from the ticket booths - past the water wheel). It would still be front and center that way and you would have the ability to get more of your people in the photos.
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Those restrooms need some love....they aren't terrible but they need updated/expanded because they get slammed in the mornings and are one of the first 'attractions' on peoples to do list (especially those who have a few hours drive). Wouldn't hurt to expand and modernize a place that is very 'first impression' sensitive.
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I straight up asked about this while up there on opening day and was directly told by some pretty big names that the current entrance/exit will remain as it is. They explained to me that everything from the square to the ticket booths is considered as historical property that will be preserved. They are however in the planning stages of building a secondary entrance/exit. The old parking lot by Grand Expo being the likely future site. Not sure how that will work logistically with the trams/buses, but we will see.
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They are however in the planning stages of building a secondary entrance/exit. The old parking lot by Grand Expo being the likely future site. Not sure how that will work logistically with the trams/buses, but we will see.
In the 90's we used an entrance that was built into Shad's shack down next to the bathrooms at the red gold hall. You could park in the employee parking and they had an entrance in this area. It may have been for busses ext. but I remember using it because there was no line. This would make sense when they are parking people down near Notch to funnel them in this way. My only issue is this is prime real estate back there. That parking lot is flat and needs almost no prep for additional expansion. I would think they will soon fold this into the park. Its close to 76 but if you consider what other parks have done near roadways (ToonTown and Tomorrow land in DL) You can effectively block the sights and the sounds of the road with buildings and a few trees behind them. However, I don't know that is as much of a concern as it once was.
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That would be interesting... it would indicate that they are looking to add parking somewhere on that side, even if it is a continuation of their satellite parking. 76 will need a major widening, and possibly a dedicated tram lane... or perhaps a monorail? Works for Alton Towers.
The current employee parking lot is probably the next lot that can be greatly expanded to lot 5 size. Or it would be the perfect spot for the resort.
That side of the park is the best expansion space though, so I'd prefer that they kept the entrance where it is and expanded it to include a pathway around the other side of the sinkhole. Reunion Hall could probably be sacrificed to the cause, but certainly not the mine/mill.
I'm not looking for much of anything to happen in 2019 though. They really spent their wad for the time being and need some ROI to recharge. Between the Christmas event, TT, and rebuilding the skillet area, it feels like they've already been spending more than usual.
Then again, they've got some serious momentum here...
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If they build a resort there and maybe have some type of public transport connection (Gondola's?) I could see a 2nd entrance. Or some type of a VIP parking entrance? They won't get buses/trams over there from the other lots without using 76.
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Don't they own all the way out to the apartments as well out in the woods beyond the train loop? If you google maps you can see. Some where on here they had a"ownership" map. I think there would be room for a resort and transport through the woods.
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I’m calling it now. 2019 will be a “show year”
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Do you think we'll see another Christmas "expansion" like they did in 2017? From the crowd reports, that seemed to be a very popular attraction.
I wonder if they would ever construct a "snow hill" like they do at the Six Flags parks? Or an ice skating rink?
Jay
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A show year is about what I expect. Still hope to see work start on some general infrastructure/crowd flow improvements.
I can't see any more Christmas expansion because of how much they spent last year plus the fact that they literally can't fit any more people into the park on busy Christmas weekends.
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I can't see any more Christmas expansion because of how much they spent last year plus the fact that they literally can't fit any more people into the park on busy Christmas weekends.
The issue is that SDC is no longer the only park around that does Christmas stuff. What they need to do is move Living Nativity to Dockside so that they can have animals. Both WOF and SFSTL have camels, donkeys, sheep and other animals for their versions. Having it at Dockside would allow for a petting zoo between shows (like WOF).
They could then put their “World Fest at Christmas” show In Riverfront Playhouse and leave Red Gold for another musical.
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I’m calling it now. 2019 will be a “show year”
So....your saying not to expect anything....lol
Every year is a show year.
I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.
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I’m calling it now. 2019 will be a “show year”
So....your saying not to expect anything....lol
Every year is a show year.
I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.
Not exactly. “Show Years” come the season after a large capex. The park makes a big deal about these big name acts they’re bringing in.
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I’m calling it now. 2019 will be a “show year”
So....your saying not to expect anything....lol
Every year is a show year.
I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.
The park makes a big deal about these big name acts they’re bringing in.
I giggled, big name, good one.
Try mostly also ran.
Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.
The Grand Expo has really filled in canopy wise but that space between the kiddie coaster and ElectroSpin is screaming for something. That covered area is just wasted space. There is a lack of seating under it, and the fountains aren't working. The shape of the area says a classic whip style ride would be perfect but a fireball would fit.
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Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.
HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it.. BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did
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Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.
HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it.. BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did
That's just it. I walked across the bridge around 7:30 last night and looked down and saw emptyness. To the void on one side where the mini swing was at and the empty spot that the storytelling occasionally takes place on the other hand. It looks bad right now.
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Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.
HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it.. BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did
With it being an "off year" I think that now would be the time to move the bug rides over to HDH from GE. The area where the bug rides are currently in GE can actually be walled off and used on down the road for a future expansion OR they could add a flyer and another flat ride that are relatively cheap.
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With it being an "off year" I think that now would be the time to move the bug rides over to HDH from GE. The area where the bug rides are currently in GE can actually be walled off and used on down the road for a future expansion OR they could add a flyer and another flat ride that are relatively cheap.
My thought was something NEW at HDH,
maybe 2 or 3 smaller Kids Rides or attractions of some kind,
Something that would generate a new found "excitement" in that area.
I just think that area is overlooked by the people... They head downhill to the Expo, or All the way to FL.
Need something to get them to stop and spend some time at HDH.
Maybe the ladybugs, and another existing ride would do that..?
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I'd still hate to see them smoosh rides in where they aren't really needed. HDH is fine. It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.
Plenty of room to add rides near Fireman's Landing and the expo without harming any more of the park's remaining ambiance and charm.
All I want in 2019 is a re-focus on making the festivals into a bigger deal again. Bluegrass and BBQ has slumped off to the point where it's just some extra BBQ in Red Gold Hall and a few random family bands (although they do get some credit for having Ricky Skaggs come in). The Craftsmen/Harvest festival is basically null at this point since so many of the old craftsmen aren't coming back. Festival of Wonder wasn't as extensive as it could be... Christmas and the Gospel festival seem to be the only festivals that are currently up to par.
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I'd still hate to see them smoosh rides in where they aren't really needed. HDH is fine. It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.
Plenty of room to add rides near Fireman's Landing and the expo without harming any more of the park's remaining ambiance and charm.
All I want in 2019 is a re-focus on making the festivals into a bigger deal again. Bluegrass and BBQ has slumped off to the point where it's just some extra BBQ in Red Gold Hall and a few random family bands (although they do get some credit for having Ricky Skaggs come in). The Craftsmen/Harvest festival is basically null at this point since so many of the old craftsmen aren't coming back. Festival of Wonder wasn't as extensive as it could be... Christmas and the Gospel festival seem to be the only festivals that are currently up to par.
Agreed with everything in this post. I would like the area where HDH to maintain the charm it has left. I would love for 2019 to be a focus on the festivals. It would be great if each festival received at least one major addition that really improved its quality, similar to what Christmas in Midtown achieved last year.
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I am not sure what more they could do with the Bluegrass & Barbecue Festival. They have a lot more than just Ricky Skaggs. I mean 8 time female vocalist of the year Rhonda Vincent, 7 time vocal group of the year Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver, The Gibson Brothers, The Grascals and 60 other acts throughout the festival. They also have the Youth In Bluegrass which started at the gazebo in 2001 then moved to the Riverfront Playhouse and now is at the Opera House, and has standing room only there now. I think in 2015 Bluegrass & Barbecue was voted the IBMA event of the year and is always at the top of the list. D.A. Callaway has been voted promoter of the year by SPBGMA I believe 4 times since 2012. The barbecue at Red Gold is really good and reasonably priced. I think it is a fantastic festival and very hard to improve upon.
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I am not sure what more they could do with the Bluegrass & Barbecue Festival. They have a lot more than just Ricky Skaggs. I mean 8 time female vocalist of the year Rhonda Vincent, 7 time vocal group of the year Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver, The Gibson Brothers, The Grascals and 60 other acts throughout the festival. They also have the Youth In Bluegrass which started at the gazebo in 2001 then moved to the Riverfront Playhouse and now is at the Opera House, and has standing room only there now. I think in 2015 Bluegrass & Barbecue was voted the IBMA event of the year and is always at the top of the list. D.A. Callaway has been voted promoter of the year by SPBGMA I believe 4 times since 2012. The barbecue at Red Gold is really good and reasonably priced. I think it is a fantastic festival and very hard to improve upon.
As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).
I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.
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Here is what I would like to see. Cut out the festivals on the holiday weekends totally. Bluegrass on Memorial day ? ZIP. Gospel Music on Labor day. Cut it out and give something everyone can enjoy.
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As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).
I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.
Where would they park the trucks?...
IF they had a real contest, and the competitors accepted the invitation, there could be 75-100 trucks/booths.. or easily more..
Cant put those in the park for 1 day.?
Maybe make a 2 day event out of it? BUT? same questions. Where would you park the trucks?
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As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).
I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.
I like what they used to do, and I'm not sure why they quit. They used to have several BBQ places from a reasonable radius set up in Red Gold and sell their goods. At various times it's included Famous Dave's, Hawg Wild (sadly now out of business), I believe Buckingham's, and several others. Then in the last couple of years they pretty much eliminated all of the outsiders and went with just their own, and it's a shadow of what it was. While it wasn't a "contest" per se, there was the option to walk around and get samples from a bunch of places and have your own personal contest.
and the smell as you rode by on the train... oh, that used to drive us crazy but we loved it.
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As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).
I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.
Where would they park the trucks?...
IF they had a real contest, and the competitors accepted the invitation, there could be 75-100 trucks/booths.. or easily more..
Cant put those in the park for 1 day.?
Maybe make a 2 day event out of it? BUT? same questions. Where would you park the trucks?
That's why I would say limit it to just a few participants....maybe 4-6. But your right....I they might not be able to park there trucks in the park. Most end up smoking all night long. I assume they wouldn't let them in the park and cook overnight in the park. Not sure if there is enough room around Red Gold outside for even 4-6 of them.
Not to mention the trucks would be direct competition with SDCs own restaurants for our dollars.
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It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.
Our son loves the treehouse structure and can spend quite a bit a time there going through it time after time. If anything, an additional treehouse structure with slides could be a good addition. Maybe replace the sand an story area with an additional structure and connect it to the existing one with a bridge over the middle. It's nice to have a place for him to play and spend some energy and not just wait in line for a ride.
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It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.
Our son loves the treehouse structure and can spend quite a bit a time there going through it time after time. If anything, an additional treehouse structure with slides could be a good addition. Maybe replace the sand an story area with an additional structure and connect it to the existing one with a bridge over the middle. It's nice to have a place for him to play and spend some energy and not just wait in line for a ride.
Glad to hear your kids enjoy that area, as-is..
So oftem we dont hear that story, we hear bad things, or negative feedback or ill-feelings..
I am sure there are many families that like the area, But it just doenst seem to be a big draw for families..
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So with so many things ending and/or not coming back for Cowboy Fest. How much do you bet we get our own version of The Great Pumpkin LumiNights at Dollywood next year as a replacement?
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I forgot about that, but I would say highly likely. I knew it was just a matter of time when I saw the crowd reports at DW. I will miss the cowboys and crafts, but this is what is hot right now and the true craftspeople just aren't around much anymore.
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As far as craftsman, I know a few who've left. One of the reasons is because they aren't allowed to do their craft, but must meet a quota of pushing out craft crap instead of real craftsmanship.
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Did I miss something? What's not coming back to the Cowboy Fest?
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The wild west show for one thing- I haven't heard about anything else yet.
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Did I miss something? What's not coming back to the Cowboy Fest?
Cowboy Poet, Mustangs, last year for Wild West Show.
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That will be a shame to loose those events, Will make quite a void in the festival.... :(
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With the TT post closed....wasn't sure where to put this.
Ran across a youtube clip today of the Mack shop....include some footage of the TT cars being built....might be the track too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBL-159APAo
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Everything you think you know is about to change.
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Everything you think you know is about to change.
But when will we be advised of the changes to come?
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Everything you think you know is about to change.
So does that mean we're going to start the bit again about how they're moving Echo Hollow, moving/ completely redoing the entrance to the park, rerouting the train, moving the cave, etc... :-P
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Everything you think you know is about to change.
But when will we be advised of the changes to come?
Late Fall Festival - though not “officially” from the park.
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Late Fall Festival - though not “officially” from the park.
Maybe time for a sell out.
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Dollywoods LumiNights is coming I bet. Some might balk at this (as discussed in another thread which I will add the link to below) but the bright side to this is I wouldn't be opposed to more opportunities to be at SDC at night.
http://www.sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=3802.0
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Everything you think you know is about to change.
Hopefully not the theme. That would be a deal breaker
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Noticed at the park last week the signs for the final season of It's a Wonderful Life (which we speculated may be going to the Showboat for 2019 due to a 2017 survey).
Do we know what is replacing It's A Wonderful Life in 2019?
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I thought I read it was going to be Miracle on 34th Street in 2019.
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The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show. So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show.
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The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show. So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show.
So it's going to be Christmas around the world or something like that replacing It's A Wonderful Life?
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The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show. So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show.
So it's going to be Christmas around the world or something like that replacing It's A Wonderful Life?
Yeah that’s the rumor I’ve heard but until it’s officially announced anything is possible
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I'd rather see Miracle on 34th St. than Christmas Around the World. At this point, it doesn't sound too exciting. If this really happens, I think guests that only have time to see one play will choose Dickens over Around the World which will make Dickens much more crowded.
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I think it would be a step back - if anything I’d keep Wonderful Life. Put the Around the World Show in Riverfront and then put a new Nativity Show is Dockside with animals (both WOF and SF have animals for their nativity shows)
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I think it would be a step back - if anything I’d keep Wonderful Life. Put the Around the World Show in Riverfront and then put a new Nativity Show is Dockside with animals (both WOF and SF have animals for their nativity shows)
I agree SDC might consider the crowds at Christmas are not shrinking they are growing and Saturdays and other busy days are almost unbearable. The closed water rides causes this crowd issue to be more obvious. SDC needs to accommodate more people inside and maybe they would increase what would appeal to the older folks that may travel with family. It would seem to me the shows are the ticket. IAWL was or is a very well done show, Personally, I think Miracle on 34th street taking place in 1930s new york is the furthest thing from SDC I can imagine.
But then again I think the winds are changing as it is.
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^lol, what about 1800's England for the dicken's show? ::) Or the north pole Santa meet and greet? It's Christmas...
I assume they'll bring in another great Christmas production. They would be stupid not to keep a successful thing going. How many people see these shows each season? Most of them are completely filled up on the weekends. They are expensive to produce for sure, but the ROI has to be reasonable considering the kind of draw they bring to the park. WOF/SF aren't ever going to compete with SDC on these kinds of shows. All they have are the cheap karaoke shows.
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Id settle for SDC adaption of Christmas Vacation. :)
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WOF/SF aren't ever going to compete with SDC on these kinds of shows. All they have are the cheap karaoke shows.
Cheap when compared to a Broadway budget show, but far from being karaoke. Perhaps you actually visit those events before being so negative? Just a thought. Both are well done. WOF is more of entertainment and experiences. The lights actually could rival SDC in some areas (not Midtown obviously) and SF has a great ride lineup
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Oh I've seen them, hence my comment. Come on, we all know the shows I'm talking about. Every chain park has at least one show with a few random performers lip-syncing or karaoke-ing to some top 40 soundtrack. I've never understood why these shows are so prevalent when they rarely have much of an audience, but it seems like some parks just want to check off the box for "live performances". Sometimes even certain SDC performances fall into the vein, but at least here we always get actual singing and usually a backing band.
There are some good, or at least entertaining, shows here and there of course. Not saying they are ALL bad.
My point remains that SDC is special in their emphasis and execution of stage shows, and it would be a shame to drop the ball by not replacing Wonderful Life with another good show.
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I've never understood why these shows are so prevalent when they rarely have much of an audience,
Now I know you’ve never been because they’re standing room only at Winterfest and Holiday in the Park. The living nativity at SF packs the Palace and that place is huge. The “karaoke” show in the Empire is always full and the show in Miss Kitty’s is always full too. Over at WOF, any show in the Moulin Rouge is standing room only even in the summer. The show in Tivoli was pretty full too every time I went.
The same thing with the Texas SF parks during HITP.
Yes, SDC shows are good, but they don’t have the monopoly on being the only parks with well attended Christmas productions
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I hope to check out HITP soon. The only time I've seen full crowds at the shows I was referring to was when people just wanted to get some air conditioning... but I digress. My point was that SDC is special in that they have such great shows and they need to keep pushing it instead of letting it drop off when Wonderful Life leaves. If the competition is picking up, that's all the more reason.
Anyway, sounds like they are doing an actual announcement thing this year? Perhaps just getting in line with modern social media trends since everyone is hyping every announcement these days. KD hyped the announcement of a coaster REMOVAL.
I'm guessing the pumpkin festival is about to be announced.
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As long as the craft festival keeps going they can call the fall festival whatever they like.
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Looking forward to the announcement Friday and seeing what it is. They've managed to be pretty tight lipped about this one, but I have started to hear some rumbling this week that it might involve a lot of water next year. Hopefully they'll make the announcement rapidly.
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Looking forward to the announcement Friday and seeing what it is. They've managed to be pretty tight lipped about this one, but I have started to hear some rumbling this week that it might involve a lot of water next year. Hopefully they'll make the announcement rapidly.
Is WhiteWater worth the effort anymore?
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Water? Rapidly? Lost River?
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lol, I just realized how long it's been since I even thought about White Water. This SHOULD be a year for them to get a new attraction. It's been forever, and it's presumably an "off" year for SDC.
As for the rumors of a water ride at SDC being replaced... we'll see. I'd be surprised if they announce that this week since you don't want people to skip a year to come back when the new ride is ready. That's why they always keep mum about new coasters even when they are half-built a year in advance. Plus, I am still thinking they might go a different direction and rehabilitate something else, like FM or FiTH.
We're probably just going to get show/festival announcements, but there's some possibilities here.
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Though SDC has been known for doing back to back developments and announcements. 2005 was Powderkeg 2006 was Grand Expo and 2007 was the Barn Swing.
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Based on the wording being used in these teasers and Time Traveler just opening, I expect this to be a show related announcement.
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Based on the wording being used in these teasers and Time Traveler just opening, I expect this to be a show related announcement.
That was my initial thoughts. And hoped for some needed rehabs. I think those are still on the table- at least the show. But over the last few days I've talked to a few people and they all seemed to lean the same way, that it's more than that. Actually had one say they were more excited about what is coming next year than they were over Time Traveler, which is a strong indication that it's much more than a show.
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What if it's a bunch of shows: New Festival of Wonder headliner, big summer series, maybe Ricky Skaggs coming back for Bluegrass and BBQ, and then the Wonderful Life replacement. Didn't they have a rock concert this summer that was pretty well attended? Plus you have the big Christian bands for the young Christians weekend. Could be a "year of shows" just like the year of food and the year of crafts.
I'll hold out a little hope for something to be announced ride-related, but I was never really expecting much for 2019. If they add a ride, chances are it will be for young kids. I think the big rehabs will cost enough and be extensive enough that it will take till 2020 for the first one to open, even if they start working on it in 2019.
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Did I hear somewhere that RMC retracked Blazing Fury for Dollywood a few years ago? What if they did the same for FITH?
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The teasers that SDC is sending out on their FB page are obvious it is in regards to shows.
...but it also got me to thinking...could it be a rebuild of Riverfront Playhouse?
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We know They are cancelling changing show... I find it hard to believe that will be there big announcement, But it is a "media game"..
We know from reports that the "Fall" festval is going to be "different", because of vendors NOT being asked to return.. Will that warrant an announcement?? Hmm.. "Media Game"
Of some of you are speculating the Halloween theme event... Hmm?? maybe.. But Media? probably.
You wont see Riverfront being rebuilt/repaired.. I look for it to disappear is a major redo of that area related to lake silver and FL.. Now? do I expect that for 2019? NO. But I firmly believe that day is coming. ..
I Dont believe it is anything major as far as a ride or attraction, too quiet, no rumors and more importantly...NO boundary or elevation flags... If it was going to happen and be MAJOR.... we would be seeing flags by now.
Water related? Hmm? Could be, If it is.. I hope it is impressive.. LOL
So, Yes. it will be interesting to find out what the big "media" announcement is..
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Sanddune- if what I am hearing is correct (and I'm hearing it from multiple people now) then at least one of your statements you may be surprised to find is incorrect. At least one. :-)
now it's waiting until tomorrow to find out if what I have heard is correct or not. lol
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NEW for 2019, Silver Dollar City Presents
The Year of Shows & Festivals
New Mega-Productions & Glowing Fall Nights
(Branson, Mo. 10/19/18) A hallmark of Branson’s famed tourism industry is live entertainment and production shows, with Silver Dollar City having proven decades-long leadership in presenting great and unique talent. Today’s announcement of the 2019 lineup strongly builds on that tradition, with Silver Dollar City beginning a new era of even bolder entertainment with “The Year of Shows & Festivals.” The 1880s internationally-awarded theme park is planning millions of dollars in additions with new and original productions, larger-than-life shows and festival adventures.
Topline features include a new $1 million, original mega-production show for Summer, Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure; and new for Fall, a spectacular evening and nighttime experience, Pumpkin Nights with thousands of glowing pumpkins artfully brought to life throughout the streets of the City, creating the biggest Fall in the park’s nearly 6-decade history.
Other large-scale elements include a globally-acclaimed acrobatic French-Canadian lumberjack production show; a slate of evening concerts in the Echo Hollow Amphitheater including Bluegrass Nights in Spring and then, throughout the season, legendary rock, pop and country performers; the new Kid Magic summer show; plus The Festival of Wonder with visually-stunning, globally-inspired production shows.
Summer Mega-Productions
Imagination comes to life on stage in a huge production opening with Star-Spangled Summer -- the all-new, original production, created exclusively for Silver Dollar City, Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure. The $1 million Broadway-style musical is a magical journey of discovery with a colorful cast, flying characters, state-of-the-art sets and special effects. Also new for summer is a show featuring the world’s youngest magician and illusionist, Kid Magic, starring Kadan Bart Rockett & Brooklyn, direct from America’s Got Talent.
Supercharging Fall
The City transforms into a glowing-orange wonderland in Fall 2019 as Silver Dollar City presents Pumpkin Nights. This evening lighting event with thousands of pumpkin creations and larger-than-life icons includes giant scarecrows, cats, owls and other characters shining in the dark. A new Pumpkin Pathway leads to Pumpkin Plaza with a dance party and fall activities. The park stays open until 9 pm, with rides running too, creating a new nighttime experience for families.
Fall daytime debuts a pulse-raising French-Canadian production show -- an acrobatic musical about singing and dancing lumberjacks in a high-energy internationally-acclaimed stage show. Also by day, in a setting filled with colorful pumpkins, Silver Dollar City craftsmen welcome visiting artisans, with select new crafters each week.
Spring kicks off the year with The Festival of Wonder, billed as “A Most Amazing Entertainment Experience,” designed to spark curiosity by presenting several hot-ticket shows such as Phoenix Fire which is a black-light, laser and fire production, and new circus-inspired extraordinary acts for CirqUnique.
New for Bluegrass & BBQ is Bluegrass Nights, featuring nightly concerts with top bluegrass artists in Echo Hollow Amphitheatre. Following Southern Gospel’s 12 biggest days for Southern Gospel Picnic is a new event for September: Country Music Days presents 13 back-to-back days of iconic country music and Saturday Night Celebrity Concerts with classic country stars.
The grand finale to the year is Christmas. The City transforms into one of the world’s most recognized holiday celebrations, An Old Time Christmas, with over 6.5 million lights, the dazzling Christmas In Midtown, Rudolph’s Holly Jolly™ Christmas Light Parade, original musical productions A Dickens’ Christmas Carol and It’s A Wonderful Life, plus a towering Special Effects Christmas Tree – all for a Christmas season bigger and brighter than ever.
“We are, and always will be, respectful to our roots of presenting great crafts, unique music and family-friendly shows,” said Brad Thomas, President of Silver Dollar City Attractions. “This coming year, we will add many colorful layers, boldly building a new era of entertainment into our traditions. Guests are seeking new adventures and always looking for something they haven’t seen before. We promise we will deliver new experiences while embracing favorites as we support our mission statement of Creating Memories Worth Repeating,” Thomas said.
Season passes for 2019 go on sale November 1. For details and additional elements:
800-831-4FUN(386), or www.silverdollarcity.com.
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They had specifically said some of those things were going away.
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Yeah. They had announced that both Rudolph and Wonderful Life would be leaving but it appears that’s no longer the case - and is a smart move to keep both.
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It's A Wonderful Life is back in??? Sounds better than I expected, but I will miss the cowboys. My brother-in-law was in Dollywood for Lumi-Nights and thought it was hokey. It doesn't sound too bad to me.
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They had specifically said some of those things were going away.
Yes, the ads for this year say it's the last year for It's a Wonderful Life but it is mentioned in the press release.
I am looking forward to the expansion of shows and music. Since we don't ride as much anymore, the expansion of music and shows gives us a reason to continue being season pass holders.
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AWESOME. This is everything I wanted from a year dedicated to shows. If I were in charge, this is literally exactly how I would have laid it out.
The new pumpkin festival sounds like it has been well thought out and isn't just DW's Luminights plopped into SDC. I love the emphasis on daytime crafts and the new Lumberjack show with the pumpkins being a nightly thing.
The new summer broadway style show has me super excited as well. Like I was saying earlier, I want to see more of these really well produced shows at SDC. I'm excited to see how another big non-Christmas show will do.
As a Bluegrass fan, Bluegrass Nights has me excited. I hope Ricky is coming back for this. I know the Country nights will be popular as well.
AND they're keeping Wonderful Life? Cherry on top.
Honestly, I might end up at SDC 10+ times next year... not a small feat for me since I live ~4 hours away and have to get a hotel or camp.
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Sounds like it's an interesting year. I appreciate how it looks like they are doubling down not just on one or two shows but beefing up the entertainment as a whole. That's good because is some spots it looked like it was starting to slide.
I'm curious about the big summer production. That could be really good, or really cheesy. Hopefully it hits the good mark. The other shows and festivals look to be fun.
Those who had a feeling about October were right on. I noticed it said crafting days, but then no other mention of the crafters. Wonder what's really happening with them. But the fall evenings should be nice at least.
Overall, very nice.
What I've been hearing I didn't see mentioned at all, and that's partially why I didn't talk about it- strong rumors and nothing more. What I've heard is that they are taking out Lost River and the BBQ rib place and completely redoing that entire area of the park, including a new rapids ride and other additions. I've also heard it's a 2 year project, which would account for why it's not mentioned. It also may not happening, which would also explain that. lol So we'll see. :-)
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Branson Tri-Lakes mentioned the crafters - different crafters on park weekly.
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The Lost River thing is certainly a big rumor at the moment, as are some other things. We'll see what happens with that later in 2019. I presume there will be walls up in August if that pans out.
As for crafters, they probably have to get more nuanced with them due to declining quantity and quality of actual crafters. People don't necessarily want to park it at SDC for a month or more anymore. Focusing on bigger names on a weekly basis may be a good strategy. Gives them more spotlight.
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Welp, I watched the preview video and wow, I am super excited for next year! Hopefully I'll actually get to go; haven't been to SDC since 2016. I do get to go to Dollywood on Halloween this year, so it'll be cool to see LumiNights and get a taste of what's coming to SDC next year.
Also, I wanna point out on their 2019 page that they mention an "expansion" at Grand Exposition with the "new Woodland Hike." I'm very curious to know what that means!
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2019Overview
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Heh I was right on about the Pumpkin Festival and it's presumed location. It will be a good fit for GE.
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Sounds like it's an interesting year. I appreciate how it looks like they are doubling down not just on one or two shows but beefing up the entertainment as a whole. That's good because is some spots it looked like it was starting to slide.
I'm curious about the big summer production. That could be really good, or really cheesy. Hopefully it hits the good mark. The other shows and festivals look to be fun.
Those who had a feeling about October were right on. I noticed it said crafting days, but then no other mention of the crafters. Wonder what's really happening with them. But the fall evenings should be nice at least.
Overall, very nice.
What I've been hearing I didn't see mentioned at all, and that's partially why I didn't talk about it- strong rumors and nothing more. What I've heard is that they are taking out Lost River and the BBQ rib place and completely redoing that entire area of the park, including a new rapids ride and other additions. I've also heard it's a 2 year project, which would account for why it's not mentioned. It also may not happening, which would also explain that. lol So we'll see. :-)
More shows to counteract the lack of indoor attractions when the temp falls.
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Heh I was right on about the Pumpkin Festival and it's presumed location. It will be a good fit for GE.
lol, yeah and I was right about them doing a "year of shows", though it wasn't much of a leap from the teasers and previous year's of emphasis. ;D
I would guess that the Woodland Hike thing at GE is going to be a small trail around the perimeter from the gate at the insect rides to the gate by the elephants. If you look on google maps you can see where it could go, though the topography is a little steep at certain points. This will probably be something like a trick or treat trail or maybe just a bunch of pumpkins in the woods.
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Here's the link to the free article in Branson Tri-Lakes News:
http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_f8a446fe-d3aa-11e8-98a0-8b40073b97f0.html
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Sounds like a exciting year. I was hoping that a replacement of IAWL would come about but looks like it will be the same old same old there. A very interesting choice for the summer though with a pirate themed show. I will be curious to see how they theme this out to fit in. But, A very good effort overall for the park.
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Great announcement and it looks like great additions for 2019! I'm most intrigued about the summer Broadway show and the new fall offerings. I kind of figured the pumpkin nights would be coming since that has been such a hit for DW. I will be excited to see how it pans out. I think Valley Road and Grand Expo are the perfect locations for it. One thing I hope they do is step up the BBQ for the Bluegrass and BBQ Festival. I didn't make it to the park during that festival this year but it definitely sounds like it was lacking.
Very excited for 2019!
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I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade. It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude. I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.
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I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade. It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude. I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.
The best place to see the parade (with limited crowds) is in Grand Expo or by Fire in the Hole
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I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade. It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude. I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.
Easy solution,
do as I do..... be elsewhere.. LOL
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^If its not too cold at the time, marathon the coasters that will be open with no lines. ;)
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
The one thing I don't miss...
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
The one thing I don't miss...
LOL, Okie, another thing we apparantly have in common. ::).
Meet me at the car, I always have fireball in the cooler ;D
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
The one thing I don't miss...
LMAO, Not sure if I dislike this more or that blasted tree going off every 15 minutes. I like most of the Christmas celebration but if I had some explosives that tree would be history. ;D
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
The one thing I don't miss...
LOL, Okie, another thing we apparantly have in common. ::).
Meet me at the car, I always have fireball in the cooler ;D
You crack me up! ;D
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
The one thing I don't miss...
LMAO, Not sure if I dislike this more or that blasted tree going off every 15 minutes. I like most of the Christmas celebration but if I had some explosives that tree would be history. ;D
I have some large mortars left over from the 4th..!! :)
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I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade. It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude. I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.
Easy solution,
do as I do..... be elsewhere.. LOL
I would love to do that, except the wife insists we watch it. I will try the FITH area or GE next time
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We kind of like the tree but totally agree about the parade. it's been boring since it's beginning and highly inconvenient. the one good thing is that it does cut down on ride and show lines and the park is more manageable to navigate since a lot of guests leave after the first parade. But a lot of the crowd seems to like the parade.
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Grinches, everyone. :D
The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.
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Don't get me wrong. I love Christmas and I don't even mind having a parade, but for goodness sake, it's time to get rid of Rudolph... or change up the music .. or ... I don't know ANYTHING but holly jolly... holly jolly ... holly jolly Christmas
<Okiebluegrass assumes fetal position in corner ... >
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<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>
Kind of like:
"It's a small world after all,
It's a small world after all,
It's a small world after all,
It's a small small world..."
<repeat an nauseum>
lol Yes it gets in your head, but I think more people like it than hate it. The parade is really popular, and the music fits. Even if it can be a bit annoying. :-P
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I like the parade - dislike the Rudolph theme.
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I am gonna go against the grain here... lol
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Grinches, everyone. :D
The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.
"pinchpoint"???
LOL. So thats what you call it..
YES!! Stay away from the that new area.....
The "pinchpoint" will be quite obvious..!! ::)
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Grinches, everyone. :D
The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.
"pinchpoint"???
LOL. So thats what you call it..
YES!! Stay away from the that new area.....
The "pinchpoint" will be quite obvious..!! ::)
If this is referring to the planter area in front of the Time Traders shop, I bet they will find out the hard way and either reduce its size or remove it completely in the off season.
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Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday? It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not
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That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.
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If Lost River is closing I wonder when they’ll tell people that. If walls go up Sunday it will be pretty clear to everyone something is happening to it.
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Intriguing. I would have assumed they would wait till next year. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
If they took it out without warning, it would be interesting to see the blow back from guests about not even getting a heads-up. Maybe it will impact their thinking about wildly replacing things.
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Considering all the whining they got when they announced Geyser Gulch was leaving - what difference would it make?
If all those rumors come to fruition, I’m really curious to see if that area will even be accessible next season and if it is, will it be a small pathway through or what. The rumors made it sound like almost a clean cut of Riverfront area and it wouldn’t even be recognizable when finished. I guess the new rapids ride (again rumor) has to have its own treated water reservoir so that means Lake Silver would be one smaller or even done away with.
Like I said if all of the rumors come to fruition everything we knew will be gone
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Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday? It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not
If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time.. ??? ???
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Interesting. I also assumed this wouldn't be happening this year. I really hope that Lake Silver stays, but I'm interested to see what happens here. I am looking forward to watching the progress on this project!
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Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday? It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not
If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time.. ??? ???
That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.
Apparently not too much of a secret? ;D
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Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday? It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not
If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time.. ??? ???
That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.
Apparently not too much of a secret? ;D
Well? Uh? yes..
Talking about it last week, a project of this size.??. (if it happens).
No mention of it, no rumors this summer, last spring, or even last year..
Yes.. That makes it a secret... (IF it happens)
I cant help wonder now, with the " Lost River/Lake Silver/Riverfront" Project or whatever is happening, which would be a 2020 unveiling AND The latest survey, prices, passes and so on.
Are they going to do a major restructure of entry fees and SP's and coincide it with a big kick off of their latest attraction and/or newest area in 2020
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Well actually it was talked about numerous times but we have several posters that don’t like to discuss things anymore and would rather take offense to everything so that drowns our any real posts. But yes these rumors have been around for most of the season. In fact all the way back to the earthquake that damaged the ride’s trough in many places causing it to lose massive amounts of water daily.
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The Rapids ride a favorite for our crew, we'd want to see it replaced with a similar ride. Next year is our skip SDC pass year so it'll be important for our 2020 pass buying plans.
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Hearing multiple reports that bus/tram drivers are announcing that this is the last weekend for LR and that it’ll come back as a new version in a little over a year and a half.
As far as replacement I’ve heard it’ll be like Infinity Falls only a little taller to get an “-ist” for promotional purposes
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Themed? I'd have no problem with that. Lost River lost its Fountain of Youth Theme before it was ever completed.
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I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
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It sounds like it's just at its limit of being cost-effective to keep a damaged ride open. It just may be the only choice they have at this point.
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Not to mention all the insurance/safety issues. Getting into the boats always felt crazy. No other raft ride had that kind of station setup, as I recall.
I'm just surprised they are doing this so quickly and quitely. No media announcement or hints during the recent 2019 announcements. Going to be a surprise for many next year.
I guess it makes sense to start ASAP... Get as much clearing done now so there is less impact next year. And they don't want to put people off coming next season, so best to keep it quiet until at least the summer. Just feels unlike SDC for such a storied old ride to silently get the axe.
I'd still rather they worked on the entrance than the riverfront. It is a pretty tightly crowded area sometimes, but it's also nice and wooded and just has a nice feel to it. They did a good job with the area around TT, so I'm sure it will be nice.
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This does kinda remind me of how Buzzsaw met it's end. I don't remember much hype announcing it's conversion either. Just the walled off area with the "Blast in the Wilderness" teaser signage.
I would really like to see FITH retracked like Dollywood's version was. Theirs is butter smooth when I went to ride it back in August. I found myself bracing for the usual spots known on FITH to instead be met with no jolts which in itself was jarring. (pun intended) lol
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I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..
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I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..
No! Terrible idea! I love AP; just make it good again.
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I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..
No! Terrible idea! I love AP; just make it good again.
A new raft ride with large drop makes AP redundant with it's single drop and not much else. I can see it going bye bye.
Eventually, if AP goes bye bye, I'd like to see an all new flume ride either there or elsewhere with multiple drops and reverse sections with lots of theming like Chiapas at Phantasialand.
I'd like a Mack Power splash any where
https://youtu.be/Z15D4-DfRQs
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I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..
Again, if the rumors pan out, this will be a bigger Infinity Falls which has an elevator lift with an impressive last drop hill
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It still kind of surprises me they wouldn’t want Lost River open for at least part of next summer. It will be interesting to see if AP/Riverblast have longer lines on hot days next year and how much longer they will be. Also I hope the replacement has a bigger capacity because the line for Lost River seemed to always move pretty slow.
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It still kind of surprises me they wouldn’t want Lost River open for at least part of next summer. It will be interesting to see if AP/Riverblast have longer lines on hot days next year and how much longer they will be. Also I hope the replacement has a bigger capacity because the line for Lost River seemed to always move pretty slow.
IF it is a big as Swoosh is indication, and it very well could be considering the area they will be using. It will take a year or longer to complete project. Fro a 2020 Kickoff, they would have to start right away...
IF this does happen, the views from the train, AND aerial views next year will be very interesting..... ;D
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The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U
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The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U
yes, I can see that fit into the lost river/lake silver area.
Massive area, Massive ride, of course SDC will be taller, for the world record claim.. The only thing I wonder about it, is that size of a ride, on that much real estate.? That a lot of space for 1 attraction.. of course in theory it would be replacing 2 rides.. maybe that is how they are going to justify it...
LOL>. "IF" that is whats happening...
It could easily butt right up against the retaining wall at FL. .
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The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U
yes, I can see that fit into the lost river/lake silver area.
Massive area, Massive ride, of course SDC will be taller, for the world record claim.. The only thing I wonder about it, is that size of a ride, on that much real estate.? That a lot of space for 1 attraction.. of course in theory it would be replacing 2 rides.. maybe that is how they are going to justify it...
LOL>. "IF" that is whats happening...
It could easily butt right up against the retaining wall at FL. .
Well the issue is you’re trying to make it fit into current Riverfront. Don’t forget that entire area is changing too. Also from the aerials posted on Twitter by Bioreconstruct it doesn’t look that much bigger of a land plot.
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All right. Place your bets on whether or not Rejoice sign will show up this year. My bet is no because of walls
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All right. Place your bets on whether or not Rejoice sign will show up this year. My bet is no because of walls
Agreed, if the walls are over 7-8 feett tall for "privacy".. No sign
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It looks like the Lost River has been removed from the list of rides on SDC’s website.
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If the speculation and rumors are true. I am more excited about this than either Outlaw Run or TT. Highly theme it and it will be a big hit. But, Hopefully AP will not be discarded just to make way for another coaster. Give it some love or completely rebuild it in the old water boggen area in a few years. Get all the water rides in that general area.
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I'll bet they don't mess with AP for a long time simply because there are already 10 years worth of other projects. The inevitable FM and FITH remodels will be big deals, plus the inevitable new entrance, plus the "off" years in between. No reason to start worrying too much about it yet, unless there is another high profile incident somewhere that causes insurance/safety boards to crack down on classic log flumes.
Curious how much they'll really do with the riverfront. Will the courthouse theatre/riverfront playhouse be taken out? What will happen to Dockside? I presume everything on the lake side of the pathway will get cleared and rebuilt somehow. Probably expand the path and put in smaller shops/eateries like the new chicken sandwich place near TT. There's also still that dead area where Gandy Dancer used to be, and the backside of the Carousel Barn that used to have a shop space in it. They could put something back there, or at least re-connect it so there's another route through the area.
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Well it’s far from a secret that both FITH and FM are on deck. So I’d say AP is going to go status quo for the foreseeable future.
Regarding Riverfront. I’ve heard rumored that everything on Lake side (Rib House through Toy Store) is history and the current Magic Shop
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After seeing what the lines will be like next summer at AP with LROTO closed will surely motivate them to keep AP open for awhile just so the lines don't get too crazy at the new ride for 2020. (I know- yes they will be long and don't call me "surely") :)
Hoping they'll relocate the Rib House- that's one of our favorites
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WOW, crazy. We were there Saturday, the weather was great, the river was running but we did not ride it. I guess we should have.
What always confused me is all year this year, it seemed they were only running 2 rafts at a time instead of 3. They would always load the front 2 and send the 3rd out empty. I never once saw the line going around thru the back main entrance, it always lined up way down the bridge and went in the front. This seemed to increase the wait time quite a bit. I never understood why.
I am thinking this is the first I have heard about an earthquake damaging it, or maybe I just forgot.
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After seeing what the lines will be like next summer at AP with LROTO closed will surely motivate them to keep AP open for awhile just so the lines don't get too crazy at the new ride for 2020. (I know- yes they will be long and don't call me "surely") :)
Hoping they'll relocate the Rib House- that's one of our favorites
Totally agree with this. I love the Rib House and will definitely miss it if its gone for good.
I love Lost River too and am sad to see it going. Hoping its replacement honors it, and the Diving Bell (not that I was around for that, but I appreciate nods to the park's history).
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I'd love it if they surprised us with a Diving Bell attraction too. Wishful thinking tho.
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lol, don't get your hopes up about the diving bell. It just wouldn't be that impressive in 2018, unless they really went out and did something disney-esque with a flying theatre or something.
I'm sure the ribhouse will be reborn just like the skillet were. Will be nice to see some more emphasis on BBQ again.
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The last walk through this summer I noted riverfront areas, and these additions were created 79-87. Property near the lake was not well used. I do vote they keep a lake. I can see retooling this I just hope they do it right.
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The real question is where will they put the retention pool for the ride because it has to be treated water so they won’t be able to just use the Lake like they did before. Maybe on the other side of the tracks?
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Any chance that they move the entrance/station over to the barn swing area?
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Any chance that they move the entrance/station over to the barn swing area?
Highly doubtful due to the elevation change. The popular rumor has been the new entrance will go where Ribhouse is currently - basically a straight shot down the hill from Tom Sawyer’s Landing
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The last walk through this summer I noted riverfront areas, and these additions were created 79-87. Property near the lake was not well used. I do vote they keep a lake. I can see retooling this I just hope they do it right.
I wouldnt be surprised to see a new lake, cement pond sort of thing, could easily encompass the ride area, I would expect it to butt right up to the new retaining wall at FL. That whole area would still be water related.
That way the whole area would "flow" together from FL over to the RibHouse..... (see what I did there...... "Flow", water? water flow?.LMAO!!! )., I need coffee.
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So I guess the full rumors are out and flying. lol Here's what little bit I've heard from a few sources, and take all of it with a grain of salt because none of it is "official" in any way at all, just what I've gleaned and can easily be inaccurate.
What I've head is that are removing the Lost River and Rib House and using that area for an expansion that will likely include another rapids ride and BBQ place, but there's also a good chance it will include other things as well.
I haven't heard anything about Lake Silver at all, but with them needing some sort of retaining pond for the rapids, and with Fireman's Landing being designed the way it is water side I would be surprised if they don't have some sort of "lake" there in the future, just maybe not as big as it is now.
I haven't heard anything about theaters and stores on "landside" changing or having anything happen to them, and honestly doubt there are any plans for that. I think all of the changes and expansions will end up being waterside of the riverfront area. I don't see any reason for them to change any of the theaters or stores that are there now, except the rib house and maybe Rube Dugans, the other store that's water side next to the Lost River. That will disappoint my daughter as she likes shopping for dresses there.
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Isn't Lake Silver over a sinkhole or a spring? I thought there was a conversation on here about that a few years ago.
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I am pretty sure lake silver has a concrete bottom.
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Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s a man made lake that was created as a water retention pool.
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I do know that in the mid 60's before anything was built in that area, the lake was there. They had a mannequin in a boat fishing that the conductor on the train would shoot at (that's another story). I don't remember exactly how big the lake was at that time. It's possible they could have drained, enlarged, and even cemented the bottom.
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regardless what they do to the lake, remove it, replace it, rebuild it... It will look much better... The lake has looked bad for a while now, trash on the banks, water looked bad..
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Save the fish!
Beware of a new Fish Fry stand next year. Those ain't crappie.
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Ordered our 2019 passes. Noticed that the email includes a barcode that matches individual codes on the bottom of our passes. The 2018 email did not include the barcode. Has there been any rumors of them adding digital passes to the app for 2019.
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I do know that in the mid 60's before anything was built in that area, the lake was there. They had a mannequin in a boat fishing that the conductor on the train would shoot at (that's another story). I don't remember exactly how big the lake was at that time. It's possible they could have drained, enlarged, and even cemented the bottom.
Yes! I'm certain there was a conversation on here about at one time.
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Save the fish!
Beware of a new Fish Fry stand next year. Those ain't crappie.
I like that, hope it happens..
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I am at the city and I would pay money they are going ahead with tear out of ride. Photos s later no Rejoyce sign
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I am at the city and I would pay money they are going ahead with tear out of ride. Photos s later no Rejoyce sign
Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today. I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.
Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year.
I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.
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No one said anything about Rib House closing before the end of the season.
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today. I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.
Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year.
I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.
Maybe you have seen lake silver drained to its traditional level or you were there earlier than me. They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches. It’s on its way. Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3. They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustard.
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today. I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.
Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year.
I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.
Maybe you have seen lake silver drained or you were there earlier than me. They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches. It’s on its way. Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3. They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustar.
They always lower Lake Silver during the Christmas festival. Those pictures look about right if they didn't lower it much more than that.
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They don’t normally have a sump pump out to drain it completely though.
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Good pics, The Big water pump isnt right though.. ?
something going on there.. ( I mean besides pumping water out of lake..LOL)
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today. I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.
Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year.
I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.
Maybe you have seen lake silver drained to its traditional level or you were there earlier than me. They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches. It’s on its way. Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3. They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustard.
They've used that aux pump many times in the past to lower the lake water. There was still a couple of feet of water in lake silver, and that, along with the pump, are completely normal for this time of year. The pump will often be out there for the first weekend if they don't get it quite finished draining before the park opens, but then they'll remove it after that. So really it's waiting to see if they move it today or tomorrow when the park is closed.
I didn't look much in the stores since I was only out there for about 4 hours (didn't want to deal with the crowds more than that, and work was calling), but that's interesting that Lucky stuff is on sale. Might have to check that out for my nephew. Still wish they would bring back a lot of the classic toys that were in that store.
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lol, so either way though, they've already come out and said it's coming out, they just haven't started OBVIOUS construction yet. Perhaps they have started gutting the inside? Or their workforce is devoted elsewhere with Christmas stuff still. I know we'll all be watching intently for the first signs of real obvious work.
Coaster Christmas this weekend will be interesting. I expect a teaser, just like we got in 2016 when Brad told us to get start getting excited about what we would eventually find out was Time Traveler.
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Coaster Christmas this weekend will be interesting. I expect a teaser, just like we got in 2016 when Brad told us to get start getting excited about what we would eventually find out was Time Traveler.
I'd be surprised if they don't give some sort of teaser at the meal. Has the park actually said anything about Lost River yet, other than it being removed from the website?
Totally going to miss the joke from the train about it though. "Over to your right is the Lost River. I don't know why we call it the Lost River. It's right there!"
Wonder how the coaster part of the ACE event will turn out. Right now temps are looking to be cold enough that they might not be able to run the coasters.
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The first signs of construction should be visible if you know where to look, this coming weekend. Nothing earth shattering yet, but still an important step. Major movement will start the week after Thanksgiving and I’m pretty sure that’s when walls will pop up.
Some “news” from various vendors about next year. Bent Spoon is moving to a new location by Saloon area. Pearl Shop is moving to Magic Shop. Magic Shop (if it even returns) will go back near FITH (though he might not return at all). Ribhouse will move to a temporary location in Carousel Barn whole new location is built.
If you have any sentimental attachment to the Riverfront area make sure you get photos soon because it’s pretty all going to get leveled and built new. In fact I’m a little surprised at some of the things leaving.
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Sounds crazy. The inclination is that Dockside theatre will be taken out. Perhaps it will just be repurposed... I get that they would want to open up all that space, since there is a lot of room behind it, but that's a good theater and shop building.
I assume they have some good plans though. Just have to wait and see how it all shakes out.
As for this weekend, they just announced on FB that since the window of TT being open is going to be short, they aren't going to do ERT and will just give everyone trailblazers.
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Well since you went ahead and said it - Dockside will be torn down. New Ribhouse is supposed to go there
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Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.
Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.
Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.
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Other than the tram announcements about LR closing I am kinda surprised how little the park or the various theme park enthusiast pages have talked about it publicly. I definitely don't know how to feel about such a large older section of the park about to meet its end. I'm curious to know how regulars and the GP will feel about this once it becomes more obvious. That section of the park was very popular from my observations.
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They’ll care about as much as they do now about the old stuff that is gone from the TT area. Let’s be honest Riverfront as is is a horrible use of space. Ribhouse’s dining area is not ADA compliant and let’s not even pretend that Dockside is even close to being a great performance venue.
Rumors are we could be down 3 theaters in the near future. I hope they have plans to build new ones - but then again look at how often the big ones sit unused during the season.
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Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.
Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.
Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.
Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans. Things are not done being changed in that area. You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see. The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure. The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades. While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run. These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically. This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.
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Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.
Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.
Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.
Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans. Things are not done being changed in that area. You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see. The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure. The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades. While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run. These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically. This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.
And you can tell this is true... step back and look at River blast, the walkway down from their, the pIzza Joint, Walway tto the swings, the new restroom.... then look down toward Ribhouse, that whole "old" area is screaming for redo..
Stand by, Shave is right about this... may not happen in 2020, but it will be new from river blast to FL.. first lakside, then a redo on the theatre and shops side..
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Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans. Things are not done being changed in that area. You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see. The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure. The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades. While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run. These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically. This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.
Oh I get it. I've speculated before about them having very long term plans to basically rebuild the park just from an engineering and logistics standpoint. I'm just saying we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with expectations just yet. Replacing Lost River is already an ambitious project. The other things in the area are probably also in a longer term plan, but I'm going to wait and see what gets closed off next year before I get too dismayed about things being torn down. Sometimes things get scaled back, and sometimes we overestimate the extent of things based on rumors anyway.
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Noticed that they upped the age for Senior passes to 65 from 62.
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If anyone is interested, the video that I shot on Saturday when I was there showing some of the rumored areas of construction is posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiypyYVLwBc
Seems like the rumors are really all over the place, and about the only thing that seems to be agreed on is Lost River is gone, and probably the BBQ joint and Lake Silver is going to look quite a bit different. Lots of variations on what else may or may not be changed, and I have some strong suspicions that some of those that people are confident of aren't going to pan out, and things that some think will change, won't, while others that may not be in the rumor mill now will change.
One thing I learned when I was there is that SDC is constantly refining, tinkering, and going over their plans. There were several versions of Fireman's Landing's layout. The area around Time Traveler was not the first plan (or the second, or the third...) And while they may be talking about doing something now, that could easily change in a couple of weeks when they rethink it a bit more.
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The thing about the Ozarks is that there really isn't a normal temperature, just an average of extremes they like to tout as normal 8) It could have just as easily been 75 this weekend.
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Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans. Things are not done being changed in that area. You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see. The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure. The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades. While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run. These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically. This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.
Oh I get it. I've speculated before about them having very long term plans to basically rebuild the park just from an engineering and logistics standpoint. I'm just saying we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with expectations just yet. Replacing Lost River is already an ambitious project. The other things in the area are probably also in a longer term plan, but I'm going to wait and see what gets closed off next year before I get too dismayed about things being torn down. Sometimes things get scaled back, and sometimes we overestimate the extent of things based on rumors anyway.
The difference this time is we have concrete confirmation from shops that they are not coming back or they are being moved for next season. Ribhouse, Dockside Theater, White River, and Rube Dugans are all being torn down and that area will be rebuilt for 2019. Toy Store, Magic Shop and Food Court sounds like they’ll survive for now but will probably be gone late 2019 and redone for 2020.
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For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved? Thx
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Here's a map. You can see the Lost River at the top center, and the body of water next to it is Lake Silver. Riverfront is the walkway alongside both, on the south end of them. That is the one area that is agreed is going to undergo a major change.
The BBQ place is at the south corner of Lost River. Dugan's Trading post is the one little complex of buildings by the "bridge" across the water (actually Lost River's queue). Those are also strong contendors.
The three buildings on the other side of that walkway are the theaters that are being talked about.
Hope that helps.
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For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved? Thx
Red X’s are things going away. Yellow star is rumored location of new entrance to new river ride. Purple lines are rumored new path of the walkway.
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Here's a map. You can see the Lost River at the top center, and the body of water next to it is Lake Silver. Riverfront is the walkway alongside both, on the south end of them. That is the one area that is agreed is going to undergo a major change.
The BBQ place is at the south corner of Lost River. Dugan's Trading post is the one little complex of buildings by the "bridge" across the water (actually Lost River's queue). Those are also strong contendors.
The three buildings on the other side of that walkway are the theaters that are being talked about.
Hope that helps.
Thank you very much
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For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved? Thx
Red X’s are things going away. Yellow star is rumored location of new entrance to new river ride. Purple lines are rumored new path of the walkway.
Thank you very much
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I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!
Also on the topic of the train ride, couldn't they rebuild the Davenport with a larger boiler to fix the traction and lack of steam problems they had with it back when it was running? If they need another train, I'd love to see them run a US built loco, and they do have the Davenport.
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I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!
Also on the topic of the train ride, couldn't they rebuild the Davenport with a larger boiler to fix the traction and lack of steam problems they had with it back when it was running? If they need another train, I'd love to see them run a US built loco, and they do have the Davenport.
Another "new" engine will be coming online next season. They won't run another Davenport on the line. These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.
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Another "new" engine will be coming online next season. They won't run another Davenport on the line. These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.
I forgot about the other new engine! 5 running engines when they can only run two at a time seems a bit odd. The other new engine isn't documented on www.steamlocomotive.com
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Nice!
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I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!
Yea, I dont see an expanded train route... the current route is really pretty long, tours most of the city, lots of cruising in the woods, room for a train robbery, cruise back into town behind the lake, which of course will look all new and different in 2020.
No the current route will suffice for many years..
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The only issue I can think of with the current route is that they're limited to 2 trains at a time with the current route, and even then they have to stop when they're doing the Christmas show. If they're gonna have 5 trains in running order, why not expand it into the woods just enough that they could run 3 trains?
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Another "new" engine will be coming online next season. They won't run another Davenport on the line. These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.
Parking lot shuttle. ;D
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I really don't see them making a second train ride ::)
Even though that'd be pretty cool...
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The only issue I can think of with the current route is that they're limited to 2 trains at a time with the current route, and even then they have to stop when they're doing the Christmas show. If they're gonna have 5 trains in running order, why not expand it into the woods just enough that they could run 3 trains?
Why not? ROI. Return on investment. They won't gain anything by spending the money to expand the line. And to run extra engines/ trains increases the operations costs a lot (fuel, staffing, upkeep, etc.) without any increase in revenue. As much of a fan of the train as I am, it's not a ride that will attract more people to the park or pay at the gates.
The only time it's busy enough to need to run 2 trains is during Christmas. Technically there are a few days during summer where they, if they wanted, could maybe justify running 2, but they won't do it because of those increased costs, and the lines even then aren't that huge. There's no reason to run 3, expanded line or not, other than the coolness factor, which in this case isn't a good reason. :-)
Oh, the Davenport will likely never run again. While it looks pretty, it's not in running condition. And if it was running, it could only manage to pull one of the new cars, as heavy as they are. Not an ideal situation. I like that they have it out where people can see it again, but that's about as good as she's going to get now.
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I think the train is still the star of the park. Lines get ridiculous for it at various times of the year, and I know it sucks for kids when they can't get a ride in due to the huge line. Even just adding another car would be a huge improvement. But I digress, I don't see anything happening with it anytime in the forseeable future now that they have the new engines in place.
In actual 2019/2020 "news", Brad didn't give any real clues about the potential Lost River project at Coaster Christmas, but he did say that 2020 is park's 60th anniversary and that there will be a number of announcements throughout 2019 to get people hyped. He said there will be something to look forward to... There wasn't a Q/A session this time, so no one asked about it.
There are indeed no obvious signs of construction/demolition in the area yet. I didn't ride the trams, so I don't know if they are still mentioning Lost River or not.
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New stage and bigger backstage coming in 2019 to Echo Hollow. Photos at the late news
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New stage and bigger backstage coming in 2019 to Echo Hollow. Photos at the late news
So is the plan to relocate EH that was once discussed not happening anytime soon?
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https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/echo-hollow-sdc.html
So it appears they enlarging the backstage area which will allow for bigger and better green rooms. This should definitely help when trying to attract bigger name acts to perform at Echo Hollow in the future.
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I am glad to see this.....
they are waaaay overdue for a bigger back stage area..
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Very interesting. So we've gone from assuming that they would move or close EH to them expanding it. Still seems weird to me, but I'm kind of glad they are doing this so they can keep attracting some really big acts.
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Season passes came in. Saw a show about pirates was going to be featured? I don't get it. What do pirates have to do with an 1880s mining town? I'm all for new entertainment, but pick a themed show that fits. On the other hand it would be interesting to learn how pirates arrived in a landlocked area. I wonder if they have hovercraft technology on their old timey pirate ship?
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Season passes came in. Saw a show about pirates was going to be featured? I don't get it. What do pirates have to do with an 1880s mining town? I'm all for new entertainment, but pick a themed show that fits. On the other hand it would be interesting to learn how pirates arrived in a landlocked area. I wonder if they have hovercraft technology on their old timey pirate ship?
And what does a 1950's movie have to do with it to. ( Its a wonderful life) . Or a 1800's English story ( Dickens) , Or Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn ( Eastern Missouri, Mississippi River) , or Hatfields and McCoys ( Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia) ? They have embellished or stolen stories from other places so often it really does not matter anymore.
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Season passes came in. Saw a show about pirates was going to be featured? I don't get it. What do pirates have to do with an 1880s mining town? I'm all for new entertainment, but pick a themed show that fits. On the other hand it would be interesting to learn how pirates arrived in a landlocked area. I wonder if they have hovercraft technology on their old timey pirate ship?
I hadnt heard about this yet........
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Attractions/Shows-Entertainment/Reubens
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Season passes came in. Saw a show about pirates was going to be featured? I don't get it. What do pirates have to do with an 1880s mining town? I'm all for new entertainment, but pick a themed show that fits. On the other hand it would be interesting to learn how pirates arrived in a landlocked area. I wonder if they have hovercraft technology on their old timey pirate ship?
I think you're about 15 or so years to late to that discussion, lol. Even back before Wildfire they still had crazy stuff here and there that didn't have anything to do with the original core theme. SDC has always been a whimsical place. I think we put too much emphasis on the "historical" aspects around here, though they are interesting.
^You didn't see the announcement for the year of shows in 2019?
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2019Overview
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Season passes came in. Saw a show about pirates was going to be featured? I don't get it. What do pirates have to do with an 1880s mining town? I'm all for new entertainment, but pick a themed show that fits. On the other hand it would be interesting to learn how pirates arrived in a landlocked area. I wonder if they have hovercraft technology on their old timey pirate ship?
No, they got transported in via the time traveler
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Nope. Giant loser that lives under a rock. Just call me Patrick Star. ;)
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Photos from Sunday.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_16.html
If anyone is going this weekend. Please actually get down to that area before dark to take photos for the rest of us. I will be back down on the 26th and then once again on the last operating day of the season.
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Photos from Sunday.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_16.html
If anyone is going this weekend. Please actually get down to that area before dark to take photos for the rest of us. I will be back down on the 26th and then once again on the last operating day of the season.
good pics of course swoosh..
I would not a it surprised IF they level site first... make it flat, then start excavation fo the underground pipe, electrical and so on.. then build and backfill after that with the new structures..
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Here’s a somewhat okay photo of the echo hollow demo. There is a backhoe down there now. People were “abuzz” about it as they walked by. :)
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Photos from Wednesday 12/26
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/echo-hollow-sdc_26.html
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EH is looking good, interesting to see final project next spring... The crews didnt waste anytime getting it weathered in..
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Wow, much nicer than the old deck that was behind there before, but now the front looks so much smaller? Of course they have a long ways to go still. Kind of looks like they will put in an awning or something to make it more of a traditional concert stage.
I'm excited to see them start announcing some big new events out of this thing. Must have some interesting plans for it.
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Just a rumor that is floating around - still trying to get exact details....
Either the corkscrew pass bridge OR the truss bridge near the blown glass/candy shop will be removed and redone this off season. It sounds like it will be one this year and the other the next.
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Just a rumor that is floating around - still trying to get exact details....
Either the corkscrew pass bridge OR the truss bridge near the blown glass/candy shop will be removed and redone this off season. It sounds like it will be one this year and the other the next.
They must need some serious maintenance. Again, I hope they return as they are and not as something different or generic - especially the truss bridge with the ghost wagons and sleighs.
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If I had to guess, the Corkscrew Pass will probably be the one this year as there are some massive structural cracks in the cave part that go all the way up to the walking surface above. Also with the water sluices being out of commission with the construction in Riverfront, this would be a good time to do this... and I'm not sure if it was related or not, but there were a few workers at the water lift for the sluice the final day of the season.
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A rebuild would be good for the corkscrew..
Odd there werent any elevation flags or utility markers in the area ahead of time.., These days they dont plant a tree without elevation and utility markers... LOL
Hopefully if this is happening they replace with another corkscrew. Would be an easy way to keep an SDC icon
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Wow, much nicer than the old deck that was behind there before, but now the front looks so much smaller? Of course they have a long ways to go still. Kind of looks like they will put in an awning or something to make it more of a traditional concert stage.
I'm excited to see them start announcing some big new events out of this thing. Must have some interesting plans for it.
They already have announced some bigger plans for Echo Hollow. A concert every night during Bluegrass & Barbecue, plus 13 back to back concerts during country music days.
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Attractions/Shows-Entertainment/Bluegrass-Nights-In-Echo-Hollow
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Festivals/Country-Music-Days
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A rebuild would be good for the corkscrew..
Odd there werent any elevation flags or utility markers in the area ahead of time.., These days they dont plant a tree without elevation and utility markers... LOL
Hopefully if this is happening they replace with another corkscrew. Would be an easy way to keep an SDC icon
Well like I said, the rumor was either/or. So it could be the truss bridge instead. As far as markings, I didn’t rumor until the very end of the season so I wasn’t exactly looking for markings/flags in those areas.
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Man, while it is true that Corkscrew pass sucks and is a bottleneck, that water tower thing in the center is a true SDC landmark that has been there my entire life. It's one of those little things that is mildly authentic and very thematic that ties the whole area together. Hope they have some new theming/details in mind to make up for the loss....
I liked the water chute that ran all the way down to the riverfront as well. The area will look really empty without it.
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It'll be interesting to see how the "Christmas Train" line forms since they usually use the corkscrew for that line.
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Replacing - not taking out. Also, I never said they were removing the sluice tower. In fact it had new boards on it (stickers were still on the ends)
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Man, while it is true that Corkscrew pass sucks and is a bottleneck, that water tower thing in the center is a true SDC landmark that has been there my entire life. It's one of those little things that is mildly authentic and very thematic that ties the whole area together. Hope they have some new theming/details in mind to make up for the loss....
I liked the water chute that ran all the way down to the riverfront as well. The area will look really empty without it.
Corkscrew pass sucks? I thought it was a nice short cut through the park. Never saw it full but I have had to pass many a slow walker just like elsewhere in the park.
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2019 Christmas announcement at 7 am on Thursday morning. Any insights on what we might find out?
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2019 Christmas announcement at 7 am on Thursday morning. Any insights on what we might find out?
It has peaked my curiosity too.
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Christmas announcement in January? ???
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They said they would have some announcements all year long this year, mostly about 2020...
I am guessing they are finally getting a new tree? Can't imagine what else they could stuff into Christmas at SDC.
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They said they would have some announcements all year long this year, mostly about 2020...
I am guessing they are finally getting a new tree? Can't imagine what else they could stuff into Christmas at SDC.
Yep. New tree. Finally.
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They said they would have some announcements all year long this year, mostly about 2020...
I am guessing they are finally getting a new tree? Can't imagine what else they could stuff into Christmas at SDC.
Yep. New tree. Finally.
Yep, new tree.
You know they have to do some added promotions for this year... Tree, New EH, New Shows and other things to entice SP buyers for 2019..
That way they wont take a hit on loss SP sales for people waiting for big event in 2020
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The new tree looks awesome. I didn't expect a new one for another couple years with everything else that is going on, so this is a nice surprise. This is really the best "off-year" ever!
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Looks like they are bringing back the angels to the tree, just in a different incarnation (remember the original tree with the cutouts for the angels?). I'm assuming that is the same star on top. I really hope they keep Carol of the Bells by David Foster; they have played that song since the original tree was debuted. I wouldn't mind some added songs for the new tree, that I'm sure is a given, but they should at least keep that rendition of Carol of the Bells because it is so many peoples favorite and it has become synonymous with Christmas at SDC.
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I agree wholeheartedly on the Carol of the Bells. Whenever I hear that version of the song, I think of SDC! I also really like the Polar Express Suite. I hope they keep it, too!
I'm excited to see the new tree!
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Looks like they are bringing back the angels to the tree, just in a different incarnation (remember the original tree with the cutouts for the angels?). I'm assuming that is the same star on top. I really hope they keep Carol of the Bells by David Foster; they have played that song since the original tree was debuted. I wouldn't mind some added songs for the new tree, that I'm sure is a given, but they should at least keep that rendition of Carol of the Bells because it is so many peoples favorite and it has become synonymous with Christmas at SDC.
I don’t think there will be physical angels on the tree like the old ones. I assume that it’s like the one at Dollywood and it’s basically a giant LED screen on the tree.
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It's nice they are updating the tree and the square. Its gong to look amazing! But will this bring in even more guests to an already packed Christmas festival? I seriously avoid SDC during this festival because of the overcrowding alone.
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The new tree looks awesome. I didn't expect a new one for another couple years with everything else that is going on, so this is a nice surprise. This is really the best "off-year" ever!
It will be a nice "off-year".
As i said before I am sure this is to make sure the SP sales and general admission is hurt during 2019.
Those PTB guys, are pretty clever.! :o :o
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New tree. Good choice. Really nice after considering how much talk there was on these forums about how outdated the old tree was, not working right sometimes, etc. I don't believe for a second that these forums contributed to the decision on a new tree, but I'm sure that it's one area that they use to scope out what needs to be done.
I think it's going to make a great addition. Wonder how many overall lights they are adding with it.
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Probably one of the worst kept secrets. Glad it’s finally official.
I hope they go ahead and add the RGB LED lights on the surrounding trees like they were talking about doing. The trees they use them on look amazing at Winterfest at WOF - they can change colors do patterns. That would really take the square to the next level
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Yeah an update I am okay with. It was needed.
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I'm excited for the new tree. The concept art looks fantastic and it was overdue. However, I am a little worried about how they are going to make this work. Overcrowding is already an issue on the square during OTC, and a taller tree means a wider base for the tree. This will limit room on the square even more. I'm wondering if we will see some reconfiguring of the paths around the square this offseason or at some point during the 2019 season.
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^nah, the base may be wider but it won't be so huge that it expands out of the area it is in. It's true that they are starting to need more space on the square anyway though... could take out a few of those now empty planters at some point.
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Even if the argument is the base may not be wider, the new LED tree will draw more visitors to the square similar to how Christmas in Midtown drew more people to Midtown. Overcrowding is going to continue to be a problem on the square until they reconfigure some things.
I agree, the planters may be the first to go.
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There is no doubt it will fit right where the old one was.
It could be easily 10 ft bigger diameter on the bottom and still fit there, without removing planters.
I dont see them removing the planters..
Now as far as ALL the people jammed in the square at one time,? Well, thats another situation ;D
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Yeah, that's definitely one thing where Dollywood has the space for their Christmas Tree crowds - the Plaza at Wilderness Pass was perfect for their big tree show. I watched a video of the opening night of Glacier Ridge, and my goodness, you can fit a LOT of people into that space. I mean, sure, there aren't any trees in that area, which definitely helps, but when you want to have a showpiece like that that will draw a huge crowd, having a nice open space is the ticket. Unless SDC builds an open plaza somewhere, their only choice for keeping the tree where it is is to start taking out planters/trees/etc. Main Street just really isn't a great spot for crowds like that.
Shoot, if the teacup ride wasn't abutting the little plaza/gazebo area in Grand Exposition, that'd be an excellent candidate for a new, open space for the tree. And they would be able to do what DW did and have a really cool giant tree made of pumpkins for LumiNights.
Okay, I'm done rambling. It's just that now that I've actually been to DW, I can't stop making comparisons and trying to see how we can improve SDC based on DW and vice versa.
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The main square at SDC actually has more space than Glacier Ridge, but it's full of trees and flower beds so the usable space is smaller. One of these days they will decide to really open it up and you might be surprised at how big it is. It used to be the main parking lot.
Thing is, other than Christmas, there's not a lot of reason to completely open it up a lot. You still have the issue of the massive pinch point that is HH. In fact, opening the area up too much could cause problems with crowd control/stampede issues. There's probably a method to the madness with the split paths in the front of mains square.
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Just a rumor that is floating around - still trying to get exact details....
Either the corkscrew pass bridge OR the truss bridge near the blown glass/candy shop will be removed and redone this off season. It sounds like it will be one this year and the other the next.
Bridge replacement has been put on hold. Apparently they’ve bit off more than they think they can chew this off season and are now concerned about getting things done before March in “key areas”
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Just a rumor that is floating around - still trying to get exact details....
Either the corkscrew pass bridge OR the truss bridge near the blown glass/candy shop will be removed and redone this off season. It sounds like it will be one this year and the other the next.
Bridge replacement has been put on hold. Apparently they’ve bit off more than they think they can chew this off season and are now concerned about getting things done before March in “key areas”
I thought it sounded like they were trying to do ALOT in off season. These guys have endless people and a huge budget, :o so if they want they can get it. :). In
Interesting they decided to hold off on this, Makes me wonder what else they are doing. ???. Must be lots of little projects going on in prep for the new stuff next season ;D.
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Just a rumor that is floating around - still trying to get exact details....
Either the corkscrew pass bridge OR the truss bridge near the blown glass/candy shop will be removed and redone this off season. It sounds like it will be one this year and the other the next.
Bridge replacement has been put on hold. Apparently they’ve bit off more than they think they can chew this off season and are now concerned about getting things done before March in “key areas”
I thought it sounded like they were trying to do ALOT in off season. These guys have endless people and a huge budget, :o so if they want they can get it. :). In
Interesting they decided to hold off on this, Makes me wonder what else they are doing. ???. Must be lots of little projects going on in prep for the new stuff next season ;D.
Check you PM
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A couple of quick updates.
1. The 2019 Edition of the "City Shuffle" is now online - where things are moving for this season
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/02/city-shuffle-sdc.html
2. Dockside Theatre will survive for one more season. Though, both it and the former White River Mercantile building are slated for removal off season 2019. WRM will be used as a character meet-and-greet building and Santa's House this season.
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A couple of quick updates.
1. The 2019 Edition of the "City Shuffle" is now online - where things are moving for this season
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/02/city-shuffle-sdc.html
2. Dockside Theatre will survive for one more season. Though, both it and the former White River Mercantile building are slated for removal off season 2019. WRM will be used as a character meet-and-greet building and Santa's House this season.
House of ribs all year? LOL, I like that...
As far as the rest of the moves, I am dizzy just trying to keep track of it.... LOL
Good report..!!...
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I noticed no water rides are listed on the map in the App, maybe it’s because of the time of year....but everything else is listed, including the new shop and restaurant locations.
Jay
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Do you think they would plant grass or begin to plant vegetation around TT? Everybody I've heard from said they don't like how the rock/clay/dirt looks and that it still looked like a construction site even after it was done. I really do hope they planted some new trees and some grass.
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^^I think it's just the time of year. Probably not going to have water rides going during "Spring Ride Days".
^You'll see some scattered plants eventually sprout naturally and general leaf/organic material buildup under the ride, but they aren't going to sod it or anything. It's all loose rock for the most part.
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^^I think it's just the time of year. Probably not going to have water rides going during "Spring Ride Days".
They had all of the water rides open for Spring Break Days last season
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American Plunge and RB are still listed as rides.. So i am sure the map just isnt current, or as Swoosh said it is that time of year..??
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Do you think they would plant grass or begin to plant vegetation around TT? Everybody I've heard from said they don't like how the rock/clay/dirt looks and that it still looked like a construction site even after it was done. I really do hope they planted some new trees and some grass.
They could have easily added mulch to the area last year, they didn't. So...don't hold your breath
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I honestly don’t remember them planting anything on any of the newer coasters. “Life found a way”
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So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
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So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
Hmmm. I drove by there this weekend and didnt even notice the change.. I wonder if the sign has been changed yet?
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So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
That's generic.
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Think this is an indication they intend to remove the cabins?
So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
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It's all about branding. I'm sure making SDC more prominent in the name will only drive more people to consider a stay in the cabins and grounds.
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So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
That's generic.
“we like to think of it as more to the point”
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Think this is an indication they intend to remove the cabins?
So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
Considering that “Cabins” is in the new name. No
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Sorry, the screenshot I saw didn't have cabins in it.
Think this is an indication they intend to remove the cabins?
So The Wilderness has been renamed for this season.
Considering that “Cabins” is in the new name. No
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Facebook status says exciting news at 9 am CST. Based on their replies it appears to be a ticket or season pass offer.
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Facebook status says exciting news at 9 am CST. Based on their replies it appears to be a ticket or season pass offer.
I'm guessing that it's just hype for the Spring Flash Sale. If it was something bigger I would have expected them to promote the announcement with more than just a FB post an hour before the announcement.
https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Tickets/TP-Special-Offers/Spring-Flash-Sale
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With the new 2019 season approaching us with less a week away, what are you guys expecting to be changed??
Any speculations or hopes??
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With the new 2019 season approaching us with less a week away, what are you guys expecting to be changed??
Any speculations or hopes??
Well, I'm betting that the riverfront area looks very different. :-P
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With the new 2019 season approaching us with less a week away, what are you guys expecting to be changed??
Any speculations or hopes??
I have a hunch something new is on track for this season.
I’m feeling generous - I’ll give you 14 guesses on what they got boiling
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With the new 2019 season approaching us with less a week away, what are you guys expecting to be changed??
Any speculations or hopes??
I have a hunch something new is on track for this season.
I’m feeling generous - I’ll give you 14 guesses on what they got boiling
Hmm, a new restaurant serving boiled seafood with 14 options? :P
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Lots of new things for this year. I’m not going to spoil the surprise for those going this week. For those unable to make it to the City this week, I’ll have a photo update next weekend with photos of everything. For an “off season” there’s been plenty of upgrades and changes. Some even I wasn’t aware we’re going to happen until just recently
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I'm starting to get the updates completed for the new things this season.
ECHO HOLLOW
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/echo-hollow-sdc.html
NEW SHOOTING GALLERY
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/new-shooting-gallery-sdc.html
TAFFY STORE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/taffy-store-sdc.html
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Now that she’s made her debut I can talk about her and show pictures
Engine 14 is now officially in service on the Frisco Silver Dollar Line. And she’s beautiful
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/engine-14-sdc.html?m=1
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Now that she’s made her debut I can talk about her and show pictures
Engine 14 is now officially in service on the Frisco Silver Dollar Line. And she’s beautiful
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/engine-14-sdc.html?m=1
VERY NICE! Thanks for sharing.
Looks like 2 different sets of pics though (?), showing her pulling older car in 1 and newer version in the others.
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Not all of the photos are from today
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Engine 14 is a beauty! With Engine 14 this year, and Engine 504 last year, what are the rumors, or speculations for Engines 13, 43, and 76? Any future retirement plans? Either way, this is an exciting time for the Frisco Silver Dollar Line! ;D
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Engine 14 is a beauty! With Engine 14 this year, and Engine 504 last year, what are the rumors, or speculations for Engines 13, 43, and 76? Any future retirement plans? Either way, this is an exciting time for the Frisco Silver Dollar Line! ;D
They aren't planning on retiring any of them. It gives them a nice stable to be able to cover rehabs, refurbs, repairs, and still have what they need to run at full capacity- especially during Christmas when they're doing two train operation.
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2019 SEASON UPDATES:
ECHO HOLLOW
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/echo-hollow-sdc.html
NEW SHOOTING GALLERY
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/new-shooting-gallery-sdc.html
TAFFY STORE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/taffy-store-sdc.html
ENGINE 14
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/engine-14-sdc.html
HUCK'S HIDDEN TREASURES
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/hucks-hidden-treasures-sdc.html
FLOODED MINE
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/flooded-mine-sdc.html
RIVERFRONT
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-sdc.html
STORE SHUFFLE / RANDOM IMPROVEMENTS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/city-update-sdc.html
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Nice job Swoosh. Very informative.
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Good group of pics, thanks Swoosh...
Lots of stuff going on in the park, currently and over the winter, And everything looks Great..!!
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Lots of changes around the park. The first happens even before you enter the front gates. Large sections of pavement have been replaced with concrete around the water clock plaza.
Appreciate the post Swoosh!
I am not a fan of the concrete look. I know replacing this is a money issue and probably a safety issue to some extent but I really like the look of the blacktop. Maybe because its always fresh looking. It sets the photos off and the look of the older part of the park, I hate to see it go. What do you guys think? Is it me ?
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Lots of changes around the park. The first happens even before you enter the front gates. Large sections of pavement have been replaced with concrete around the water clock plaza.
Appreciate the post Swoosh!
I am not a fan of the concrete look. I know replacing this is a money issue and probably a safety issue to some extent but I really like the look of the blacktop. Maybe because its always fresh looking. It sets the photos off and the look of the older part of the park, I hate to see it go. What do you guys think? Is it me ?
They could have at least "stamped" the concrete and maybe added color... make it look like bricks, or sand stone or something other than a slab of concrete....
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Lots of changes around the park. The first happens even before you enter the front gates. Large sections of pavement have been replaced with concrete around the water clock plaza.
Appreciate the post Swoosh!
I am not a fan of the concrete look. I know replacing this is a money issue and probably a safety issue to some extent but I really like the look of the blacktop. Maybe because its always fresh looking. It sets the photos off and the look of the older part of the park, I hate to see it go. What do you guys think? Is it me ?
I sell concrete. It’s my living but I don’t like the look either. Takes away from 1880, the dark pavement looked less standoutish.
They could have at least "stamped" the concrete and maybe added color... make it look like bricks, or sand stone or something other than a slab of concrete....
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I’m not sure if that’s the “final look” or not. I plan to check it out when I’m there again this weekend
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I'm not a fan of the concrete either. I've dislike every time asphalt around the park is replaced with concrete. Asphalt isn't as glaring and fits in better with the natural look of the park.
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Preparation work continues for the all new Pumpkin Nights. A brand new pathway has emerged near the old Waterboggan Tower
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/pumpkin-nights-sdc.html
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Plus, concrete doesn't have that wonderful smell!
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Plus, concrete doesn't have that wonderful smell!
You are correct and nothing says SDC like that smell..........
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That should be part of their advertising, lol
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That should be part of their advertising, lol
Plus, concrete doesn't have that wonderful smell!
You are correct and nothing says SDC like that smell..........
That would be a great advertisemnt.. LOL. problem is the people that have never been, would not understand..
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Plus, concrete doesn't have that wonderful smell!
Nothing like the smell of fresh slurry...
Many don't realize that what they see on the ground actually isn't asphalt. It's slurry covering and sealing the paving underneath, and helps to give it that distinct aroma, especially early in the year. Slurry can also be colored. I wonder if they replaced those sections of paving after the slurry was done. It's definitely on the odd side.
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Plus concrete reflects the sun light keeping it for melting and getting gooey in the summer heat.
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That should be part of their advertising, lol
"You've got a great smell ahead of you!"
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That should be part of their advertising, lol
"You've got a great smell ahead of you!"
This!
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That should be part of their advertising, lol
"You've got a great smell ahead of you!"
That would be perfect, LOL, as i s aid though, nobody would understand it except us... ;D
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That would be perfect, LOL, as i s aid though, nobody would understand it except us... ;D
Smell is a powerful memory trigger. My friends and I were talking about "the smell" one day and they all agree that it really brings us back to being a kid. SDC should always use slurry on the entrance area. It welcomes me back when I smell it.
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I was at Six Flags St. Louis last weekend and they had "that smell." I tried so hard to explain it to my husband and he just kept saying, "Ok, sure..."
Smh.
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I was at Six Flags St. Louis last weekend and they had "that smell." I tried so hard to explain it to my husband and he just kept saying, "Ok, sure..."
Smh.
When I read this I decided any non sdc person would really think we are weirdos.....LOL
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^ And we're proud of it!!!
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^ And we're proud of it!!!
Freaky and good with it! lol
We can laugh at ourselves!
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^ And we're proud of it!!!
LOL.. Yes we are!!..
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I wish Carrie's Candles would sell candles with "the smell". :)
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This is funny to me....that smell takes me back to my short career working on a road crew in the middle of no where KS....laying down asphalt....which is what we called it.
I didn't like that summer. :-\
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I wish Carrie's Candles would sell candles with "the smell". :)
I think they did a few years ago.
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PUMPKIN NIGHTS PATH EXPANDS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/pumpkin-nights-sdc_31.html
ECHO HOLLOW - A NEW WALL AND A COVER
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/echo-hollow-sdc_31.html
ECHO HOLLOW - NEW LIGHTS GOING IN
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/03/riverfront-sdc_31.html
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Yeah that's kind of what I expected with the new EH buildings when I saw them. Not the same charm, but this is what you need to support major acts. I'm excited to see more big-name performers at SDC.
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Glad to see there were not done at EH yet.. It just looked "unfinished". Speakers looked out of place, The whole stage just wasnt right, yet..
Starting to look like a real stage and supporting area now..
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This is funny to me....that smell takes me back to my short career working on a road crew in the middle of no where KS....laying down asphalt....which is what we called it.
I didn't like that summer. :-\
it's not asphalt. Technically it's a seal coat, but the people in the park all called it slurry when they issued their directives to us to prepare for when it was applied. It's a sealer/ coating that is sprayed and spread over the actual pavement- whether asphalt, concrete, whatever. If you look carefully you can often times see where it splashes a bit on the sides of buildings, planters, or large objects that can't be easily moved out of the way. It's poured/ sprayed and spread on the surfaces, and everything possible has to be moved out of the way. But outside of moving benches and objects and blowing/ power washing the ground, there's nothing done to the pavement like you would if it was an actual asphalt coating.
Sometimes you could even see the leaves that had blown down right before they spread it get caught and become part of the ground coating.
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Think like this, instead of asphalt :)
(https://sealproshawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Slurry-Seal-1080x675.jpg)
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The 10 years I've been there, never heard the term slurry. I've worked with it, and it's always been called cosmicoat, asphault sealer. What I find puzzling, 1, they didn't have these type of streets in the 1880's. They had dirt, or gravel. 2, The park first opened as such, and later added wood chips to the pathways. I've never understood the passion for something stinky that sticks to your shoes when it's hot, and is BAD for the environment. Off that box...
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I can almost guarantee that there were some SDC regulars back in the 70's who bemoned the new asphalt paths for not having the same character and smell as the old wood chip paths, lol. ;D
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The 10 years I've been there, never heard the term slurry. I've worked with it, and it's always been called cosmicoat, asphault sealer.
Cosmicoat!! That's the other name I couldn't remember for the life of me. Don't know why I couldn't remember that one.
I just remember the letter we got (I think from M&C?) giving us details on what needed to be done calling it slurry, and it stuck with me because it was such an odd, funny sounding name, and I had to look it up as soon as I got home that day because I'd never heard of it. Actually wrote it on one of my training guides I carried at the time since I was brand new. Maybe it was just in that one letter. Thinking about it now, I wouldn't be surprised if it came from someone in attractions who didn't know the difference that may have gotten stuck on the name.
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NEW FOR '19: Cement!
This is only a conversation that true fans could have.
Could it be that cement is easier to control as far as flatness is concerned and the other stuff can tend to ripple, bulge, and buckle? I don't think the cement is actually cheaper, but could it be safer than an uneven surface? Just thinkin' out loud.
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Cement doesn't melt in the heat, so that could be a reason to put it in. I remember several years ago being at the park on a super hot day and my shoes nearly got stuck in the softening asphalt.... Very weird.
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Cement doesn't melt in the heat, so that could be a reason to put it in. I remember several years ago being at the park on a super hot day and my shoes nearly got stuck in the softening asphalt.... Very weird.
Oh, great. Now we have to debate cement versus concrete!
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The 10 years I've been there, never heard the term slurry. I've worked with it, and it's always been called cosmicoat, asphault sealer. What I find puzzling, 1, they didn't have these type of streets in the 1880's. They had dirt, or gravel. 2, The park first opened as such, and later added wood chips to the pathways. I've never understood the passion for something stinky that sticks to your shoes when it's hot, and is BAD for the environment. Off that box...
Sealer is the most common name for sure..
concrete isnt really any easier to lay down, but once it is down you are done with it. no maint.
no "sealer" every couple of years,
you can drive on concrete with trucks and tractors, leaves no tread marks or scuffs..
Of course they could put the "sealer" on top of concrete later..
IF they are making the switch to concrete, I wish they would color it, and "stamp" it to look like bricks or native stone. would fit in better and "WE" would like it better.... LOL
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Cement doesn't melt in the heat, so that could be a reason to put it in. I remember several years ago being at the park on a super hot day and my shoes nearly got stuck in the softening asphalt.... Very weird.
Oh, great. Now we have to debate cement versus concrete!
Whoops. Just googled it. Didn't realize that cement is an ingredient in concrete rather than something separate... I've always kinda used the words interchangeably.
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Maybe they didn’t put the “sealer” on the new concrete by the entrance because they’re planning on redoing the entrance as was once rumored and they just didn’t want to put the extra work in.
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Maybe they didn’t put the “sealer” on the new concrete by the entrance because they’re planning on redoing the entrance as was once rumored and they just didn’t want to put the extra work in.
That’s been put on a permanent back burner. There are some more pressing things they need to take care of in the park
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Well the SDC Facebook page just did a post about the "blacktop" as they called it. More proof they are watching/reading this forum.
Waaay to funny on the timing. ;D
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https://www.facebook.com/7656242602/posts/10157155352767603/
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Well the SDC Facebook page just did a post about the "blacktop" as they called it. More proof they are watching/reading this forum.
Waaay to funny on the timing. ;D
I wouldn't be surprised if the social media marketer that they have currently (the one who's been making the 10/10 meme posts) has an account on here or snoops around here on the daily
Now we have to figure out who it is! :P
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I think they have been doing a really good job with their social media
Well the SDC Facebook page just did a post about the "blacktop" as they called it. More proof they are watching/reading this forum.
Waaay to funny on the timing. ;D
I wouldn't be surprised if the social media marketer that they have currently (the one who's been making the 10/10 meme posts) has an account on here or snoops around here on the daily
Now we have to figure out who it is! :P
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I think they have been doing a really good job with their social media
I whole heartedly agree, whoever they hired is doing a fantastic job with the posts!
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If it's who I think it is, yes, they're doing an awesome job. Now I have to find out if it was actually the one I think who made that post. Hilarious.
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The asphalt dudes showed up today, so I got my fix of the SDC smell! ;D Now ff the park goes all "cementy", I can just walk down my driveway and take it in.
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Pumpkin Path is now paved
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc.html
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Pumpkin Path is now paved
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc.html
Looks like they are going to be ready for that new event, I am sure it will be a big hit..
Lots of little stuff going on in the park over the winter and still going on. ;D, and thats not even counting the huge project..
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Pumpkin Path is now paved
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc.html
Looks like they are going to be ready for that new event, I am sure it will be a big hit..
Lots of little stuff going on in the park over the winter and still going on. ;D, and thats not even counting the huge project..
Yeah for a “off season” - they’re really is a lot of capex still going on
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This year's work plus next uear's big redo will be great for when I finally make it back to the park next year.
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PARK UPDATES FOR 4/19
PUMPKIN NIGHTS PATH
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc_19.html
CITY CHANGES
(New Brown's Candy Layout -- White River Mercantile and Cowboy Jepps Open -- Pillow Case Stand Moved)
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/city-changes-sdc.html
RIVERFRONT DINING PATIO
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/riverfront-sdc.html
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Good to see that they are planning on RF staying right there and no relocation.. New dining are looks very nice and roomy.
Also indicated there will still be "something" to overlook.... The old lake silver,? New lake silver,? water holding area for the new ride?. Hmmm...?? Something though, or else no new Patio
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Something though, or else no new Patio
I always thought the lake was necessary to the park because it was a detention pond as well. I agree they will keep something, probably not as large.
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Something though, or else no new Patio
I always thought the lake was necessary to the park because it was a detention pond as well. I agree they will keep something, probably not as large.
I am hoping they finish off the edges of the "new Lake Silver" with slutty concrete, or formed sides... anything besides raw dirt,,maybe the water ill stay cleaner,
Maybe a fountain in the middle to keep it from becoming stagnant..
I would like to to see it become the new retention pond, that way the water would be constantly cycled and moved around- again, keep it from being stagnent, or stale, or trashy like the old lake..
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Looks good so far.
Was tempted to complain about the obvious speakers, but I know they are always battling form over function with theming, and proper speakers are more necessary than one might think due to emergency announcements. They blend in pretty good at least, and there's a lot of cool detail on those masts.
They are obviously putting a lot of neat touches into everything, so that continues to bode well.
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Looks good, looking forward to seeing how it turns out later this year.
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They have added a fence to one side of the pathway for Pumpkin Nights
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc_28.html
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Noticed, yesterday, that they boarded up the Pumpkin Nights area so you can’t see the work from the train like you could a few weeks back.
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^You mean what used to be Shad’s Parking Lot?
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They have added a fence to one side of the pathway for Pumpkin Nights
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc_28.html
This is going to be quite an area when its done..
Will this area have another purpose later, or going to be strickly for the Pumpkin Night Event.
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This is going to be quite an area when its done..
Will this area have another purpose later, or going to be strictly for the Pumpkin Night Event.
Well I say they will continue to use it after PN. Its flat, they are obscuring the view back there, adding a visual block to the end of the parking lot. Its temporary but will suit its purpose until they add permanent. I believe if its flat and easily accessible its going to be used as guest space.
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They have added a fence to one side of the pathway for Pumpkin Nights
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/04/pumpkin-nights-sdc_28.html
This is going to be quite an area when its done..
Will this area have another purpose later, or going to be strickly for the Pumpkin Night Event.
No. It’ll only be used for PN.
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No. It’ll only be used for PN.
So you are saying this will stay a parking lot? This will not become a guest area, ride or show?
Remembering the GE was parking lot up to the shad cabin into the 80's I would think they would continue the direction they have been moving. The flat ground speaks louder to me than the corporate rumors. I work for a top US Corp and although its rated high this has no bearing on the honesty or dependability of the information they provide to the public.
Time will tell.
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No. It’ll only be used for PN.
So you are saying this will stay a parking lot? This will not become a guest area, ride or show?
Remembering the GE was parking lot up to the shad cabin into the 80's I would think they would continue the direction they have been moving. The flat ground speaks louder to me than the corporate rumors. I work for a top US Corp and although its rated high this has no bearing on the honesty or dependability of the information they provide to the public.
Time will tell.
I never It was going to go back to being a parking lot. I only said it was only going to be used for PN
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I never It was going to go back to being a parking lot. I only said it was only going to be used for PN
I appreciate your info however if this is not a corporate answer I dont know what one is. LOL
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I never It was going to go back to being a parking lot. I only said it was only going to be used for PN
I appreciate your info however if this is not a corporate answer I dont know what one is. LOL
Sorry. I have to be extremely careful how I word things regarding current and future projects that may or may not have been released to the press. But I can confirm that it will not be used regularly as an employee parking lot again.
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I respect and understand what you are saying.
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Today while on the train I noticed that there is now a giant wall all the way across the end of the area that will be used for Pumpkin Nights. It is made out of shipping containers stacked 4-5 tall and 2-3 across. The side facing where PN will be seemed to be finished off (It doesn't look like a stack of shipping containers from that side.). I didn't have my phone out so I didn't get a picture. See the attached photo for the approximate location.
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Projection / Light Show wall
Did you see any prep work on the other side? (Not Pumpkin side). You might soon
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Did you see any prep work on the other side? (Not Pumpkin side). You might soon
I just saw huge pipe joints that seem to match the size of holes in the concrete walls for the new ride.
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Then they’re still using it for staging. I figured that would be the case for now
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Riverfront Update -- So the White River Mercantile Building is being used as a shop again :o
Also update on NEW Ribhouse and the dining patio
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/06/riverfront-sdc.html
Pumpkin Nights Pathway Update
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/06/the-trail-to-pumpkin-nights-plaza-is.html
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Great pics..!!
They are really going all out for the Pumpkin nights event...
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Thanks for the update!
Based on construction progress on the trough, is there any indication how the new Ribhouse might "interact" with the ride? Between the ride, the restaurant and the patio, that big space is filling up fast!
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It looks like the new river will hug the building just like the old one did - but since there won’t be any indoor seating (at least that’s what we keep hearing) not sure it’ll matter how much it interacts with the building
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NEW PHOTOS
So I am putting the Ribhouse construction photos in the 2019 thread, because I am not convinced that it won't open this season. Main reason is that Entertainment wants the Carousel Barn back for Rudolph during Christmas, but I also think that the park would want to start getting ROI on the new building ASAP which is why it appears to be coming together so quickly.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/07/riverfront-sdc.html
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NEW PHOTOS
Photo Updates from Sept 7
PUMPKIN NIGHTS
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/pumpkin-nights-sdc.html
CHRISTMAS IN MIDTOWN INSTALLATION
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/09/christmas-in-midtown-sdc.html
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In the middle of the new Pumpkin Plaza area, there is a large circle of concrete in the blacktop. It has metal access box lid looking things evenly spaced around the edge of the circle and a large one in the middle. Anyone know that this is for? I didn’t get a good picture of it, but have attached a few that I’ve found.
My initial though was a testing/programming area for the new tree, but not sure when they would have time to use the are due to Pumpkin Nights.
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In the middle of the new Pumpkin Plaza area, there is a large circle of concrete in the blacktop. It has metal access box lid looking things evenly spaced around the edge of the circle and a large one in the middle. Anyone know that this is for? I didn’t get a good picture of it, but have attached a few that I’ve found.
My initial though was a testing/programming area for the new tree, but not sure when they would have time to use the are due to Pumpkin Nights.
I was wondering about that myself. It certainly wasn't there when it was still employee parking. Not a clue offhand what it's for/ from
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Seems like something with utility hookups... could be for future expansions of the Pumpkin/Christmas fest... Maybe at some point we'll see a second tree w/ light show?
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That was kind of my thinking too. What are the chances that we see the old tree back there this year? Maybe the area is just open on certain days as simply a way to add more area to the park?
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I am hoping that they hold the Moonlight Madness street dances in this area. That way they can be avoided by those of us who enjoy the old-school SDC charm.
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Is there any chance that SDC will be cutting down trees in the square before the Christmas festival begins? When we were there last week, we noticed just how big the trees in the center of the square around where the tree will be are. In the marketing photos there aren't any trees around the new Christmas tree and it looks much more open, which I really like. I know that some would really throw a fit about them cutting down tress, but I think that it would really help with the Christmas festival and the tree show if they did remove a few of them.
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Is there any chance that SDC will be cutting down trees in the square before the Christmas festival begins? When we were there last week, we noticed just how big the trees in the center of the square around where the tree will be are. In the marketing photos there aren't any trees around the new Christmas tree and it looks much more open, which I really like. I know that some would really throw a fit about them cutting down tress, but I think that it would really help with the Christmas festival and the tree show if they did remove a few of them.
I dont think there is a any chance they will remove trees from the square.. those are adult trees, they put on lots of decorations in those trees.. :-\
along with the fact they add lots of shade and back country "feel" to the ambience through the year.. :D
I for one hope they would never do that, as well as I hope they have never even considered it.. :)
Everyone talks about the "theme" of the park.. Just think what taking those tress out would do the the initial feel of the park, IF the square was stripped of the big trees.. :'(
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Everyone talks about the "theme" of the park.. Just think what taking those tress out would do the the initial feel of the park, IF the square was stripped of the big trees.. :'(
No one suggested that they would strip the square of all of its trees. I was meaning 2-3 right in the middle where the Christmas tree is. I figured that it was just to make the concept art cleaner.
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Is there any chance that SDC will be cutting down trees in the square before the Christmas festival begins? When we were there last week, we noticed just how big the trees in the center of the square around where the tree will be are. In the marketing photos there aren't any trees around the new Christmas tree and it looks much more open, which I really like. I know that some would really throw a fit about them cutting down tress, but I think that it would really help with the Christmas festival and the tree show if they did remove a few of them.
I think they’re more concerned with it just fitting in that area. It’ll be interesting to see of the sound booth had to be removed or not to make it fit. I mean the old tree just barely fit there
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Perhaps the new tree will envelop the bandstand and/or seating all the way up to or onto the rock walls.
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This is definitely where Dollywood got an advantage with that Wilderness Plaza - they put a fountain in the middle and for LumiNights they put in a giant pumpkin tree and then the framing is already there for their new (as of last year) Christmas tree that is similar to what SDC is getting. SDC doesn't have a wide open space in the park like DW does, hence why the backstage area was used for Pumpkin Nights.... Nowhere else to put it.
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This is definitely where Dollywood got an advantage with that Wilderness Plaza - they put a fountain in the middle and for LumiNights they put in a giant pumpkin tree and then the framing is already there for their new (as of last year) Christmas tree that is similar to what SDC is getting. SDC doesn't have a wide open space in the park like DW does, hence why the backstage area was used for Pumpkin Nights.... Nowhere else to put it.
I am glad the "backstage" area was used for the PN (pumkin nights). If it had been slammed up front, it would have ruined the whole SDC feeling completely.. With PN in the back and at GE area, at least there was room for a few crafters and the "Fall Festival" feel..
Hopefully the PTB realize that the PN thing is not being enjoyed by 100% of us, and will bring back a few more crafters and let us enjoy the park and festival they way we like and remember.... If the families want to go do the PN, then they have that option too..
I am sure next year will be revamped and modified, just hoping that both crafters and PN are improved equally.
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They’ve already confirmed that they’re bringing more (and new) crafters for next year.
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So the pumpkin stuff was an obvious success, despite some poor weather and the fact that it was more-or-less confined to a fairly small area. Sounds like it will be back even bigger, longer, and more pumpkiny next year as expected. I'm sure the "backstage" area will be better then as well. It looks like they installed a bunch of infrastructure to support something that didn't get debuted this year.
Sounds like they finally heard the complaints about the lack of crafters. The crafters had been falling off for years now, but this year was the first time everyone seemed to notice at once.
How was the lumberjack show? Didn't hear much about it.
The new tree is already being installed. The park posted a new video about the Christmas prep on FB today. Still lots of trees in the way!
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^ The lumberjack show was pretty good. The whole thing took place in a lumber camp setting even though the pictures promoting the show had it taking place in a saloon setting. I only got to see the show once so they may have had 2 different sets for 2 different shows. (I was hoping they'd do a scenery change to a saloon like they do the scenery changes for A Christmas Carol.) We saw the show on Sunday October 6th that eventually had a full show. We only waited about 10 minutes to get in. Saturday October 5th the line for the show was past the Silver Dollar Saloon and starting to back up hill street. Judging from that day at least it looked like a huge success.
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^ The lumberjack show was pretty good. The whole thing took place in a lumber camp setting even though the pictures promoting the show had it taking place in a saloon setting. I only got to see the show once so they may have had 2 different sets for 2 different shows. (I was hoping they'd do a scenery change to a saloon like they do the scenery changes for A Christmas Carol.) We saw the show on Sunday October 6th that eventually had a full show. We only waited about 10 minutes to get in. Saturday October 5th the line for the show was past the Silver Dollar Saloon and starting to back up hill street. Judging from that day at least it looked like a huge success.
The promotional photos (saloon) were from another of Cirque Eloise’s shows. Lumberjacks was specifically created for SDC
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^ Thanks Swoosh- I did not know that. I was really hoping it would be a Saloon setting to complete History Buff's vision from 2008 :)