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General Category => Other Parks => Topic started by: Hollwood on July 14, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
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It looks like Stone Mountain is under fire from the NAACP.
http://v103.cbslocal.com/2015/07/13/atlanta-naacp-says-they-can-sand-blast-lee-jefferson-and-jackson-off-of-stone-mountain/
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Some folks just don't have anything more constructive to do...
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It might be an opportunity for HFE to acquire the property from the government so that it's privately owned.
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Just ridiculous. I was wondering how long it would take for this to happen.
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WOW! just Wow!
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Just this morning, I watched someone buy a 20oz Dasani water and a 20oz can of Starbucks coffee, method of payment, Snap debit card(aka food stamps) yet issues like this dominates the day. This country is circling the drain. Grit my teeth and smile is all I can do.
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Some folks just don't have anything more constructive to do...
Like addressing how inner city schools spend way more per student than those that are not and get the results many times worse or the complete breakdown of the family incentivized by entitlement programs that reward you more assistance by not being married or at least working part time than not. Welcome to the new slave masters, the big gov. We'll give you just enough to live as long as you vote for us. Let's talk segregation, what do you call the demographic makeup of urban cities today, islands of black poverty where the crime rates are astronomical. (See Chicago)They are basically herded into sections of town with low rent.section 8 housing, put on entitlement programs that perpetuate the cycle and not break it. And....it's always someone else's fault.
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Our selfish and self centered and accusatory ways in this country have gotten out of hand. There is no reason for all of this including the removal of the Rebel flag. This is temporary appeasement of the masses without thought to consequences for the future or where the end of this road will lead us. These monuments perpetuate conversation, learning and the sharing of history that would otherwise be forgotten by out new generations with a 30 second memory span. There need to be objections, loud "politically incorrect" objections regardless of what they call you in return. Your voice must be louder that the zealots that want to tear this country apart. Many Germans sat by and did nothing while their country was cleansed. History repeats itself. we need to be loud and stop this lunacy now before the only flag we fly is the white flag of surrender.
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Our selfish and self centered and accusatory ways in this country have gotten out of hand. There is no reason for all of this including the removal of the Rebel flag. This is temporary appeasement of the masses without thought to consequences for the future or where the end of this road will lead us. These monuments perpetuate conversation, learning and the sharing of history that would otherwise be forgotten by out new generations with a 30 second memory span. There need to be objections, loud "politically incorrect" objections regardless of what they call you in return. Your voice must be louder that the zealots that want to tear this country apart. Many Germans sat by and did nothing while their country was cleansed. History repeats itself. we need to be loud and stop this lunacy now before the only flag we fly is the white flag of surrender.
Very well written, MH!
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Meh, honestly I wouldn't be upset if they did sandblast those traitors off the mountain. It's a travesty that they were engraved there in the first place. It was only done as a passive aggressive response to the end of segregation anyway. I'm tired of people letting these traitors and genocide-perpetuators be honored through the lens of "tradition" and southern "pride". Can you imagine the outrage that would ensue if Germany put a bunch of Nazi generals on a monument and allowed Nazi-era flags to be flown around? It just doesn't make sense.
I'm really, really not a fan of the modern "social justice warrior" movement, but there's no way anyone can say that the confederacy wasn't an anti-American force of evil without being ignorant or racist or both.
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My opinion is not going to be a popular one with everybody. I don’t like to see political issues discussed on this forum but some times it does get political. I see this as a freedom of speech issue. What it boils down to is people wanting to erase history and it is been going on since ancient times. In ancient cultures, such as ancient Egypt, every Pharaoh changed the monuments to tell the story the way he wanted it told. If he didn’t like his predecessor, he simply ordered that the previous Pharaoh’s name be erased—everywhere it was carved into stone.
Right now in the Middle East, ISIS is destroying ancient artifacts and complete ancient cities that have survived under the sands of history for literally thousands of years. They want to reset history back to year zero and start with an erased slate. I don’t believe they can destroy everything but that can mess up the historical record so bad that it will be difficult to find the truth. It is a horrible war crime. I don’t mean to minimize the deaths of people, ethnic and religious cleansing, but protecting a country’s history, cultures, and national treasures in times of war has always been a priority for advanced nations, such as the United Sates of America.
The erasing of history seems to be running at an all time high in these current troubled times. The liberals in our country have been waiting for chance at historical cleansing. They will not stop with the Civil War monuments. There are those who want to blast away every hint of religion on government buildings. If you have ever looked at our government buildings you will know that they are covered with reverences to founding our nation upon religious freedom. Those who want to erase history will not stop with the government buildings. They seek to change our money, rewrite the history books (if there is anything left to change), change our laws, and even rewrite the constitution. There are some that even want to remove crosses from tombstones. What it boils down to is hatred of God and war against him. It is what the Bible refers to as the great falling away and it is the beginning of the end times and tribulation.
Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox now. I know this opinion is extreme but I’ve told it the way I believe it to be. If this is too extreme, then censor me and remove this message.
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Meh, honestly I wouldn't be upset if they did sandblast those traitors off the mountain. It's a travesty that they were engraved there in the first place. It was only done as a passive aggressive response to the end of segregation anyway. I'm tired of people letting these traitors and genocide-perpetuators be honored through the lens of "tradition" and southern "pride". Can you imagine the outrage that would ensue if Germany put a bunch of Nazi generals on a monument and allowed Nazi-era flags to be flown around? It just doesn't make sense.
I'm really, really not a fan of the modern "social justice warrior" movement, but there's no way anyone can say that the confederacy wasn't an anti-American force of evil without being ignorant or racist or both.
It started way before that, look the US Mint helped the traitors
(http://www.coincommunity.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10468/1925StoneMountainHalfDollarB.JPG)
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Trying to stay focused on the issue of the mountain itself... MoOzark, I would agree that removing the carving would be erasure, IF it were actually a remnant from the confederacy era itself. In fact, the carving was started in the 60's and considered finished in 1972. The only "history" behind it is that the KKK had a resurgence with enough influence in the 60's to help make it happen. Erasing the carving would be a fitting response to that "history", IMO. The scar left behind will be a reminder of the horrible times behind us and their lingering effects, but will show that we at least eventually had the balls to stand up to it and start fighting back.
We have a better understanding of our historical record now than at any other time in history, and access to that information has never been so unrestricted. It's high time we actually learned from it.
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HFE better stay far far far away from it. Even if it could be acquired at no or low cost it would be a legal and PR nightmare. All future SDC roller coaster $s would be sucked away to this place on legal fees and/or PR.
I know of a little Arkansas company that should have kept their month closed recently on those types of issues and are now dealing with a PR nightmare of "but that offends me too....why do you still sell X, Y, and Z?".
Just stay away from this conversation HFE...
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...,I would agree that removing the carving would be erasure, IF it were actually a remnant from the confederacy era itself. In fact, the carving was started in the 60's and considered finished in 1972.
Okay, I can see your point. I suppose the carving could actually be considered “revisionist history.” Another point-of-view on this is that a perfectly good natural formation was scarred by blasting the monument into it. It could never be completely restored. The best that anyone could do is to blast it away and then shape it so it looks like a natural chunk of rock fell off of it. Also, I agree that the corporation should not say anything about it.
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HFE better stay far far far away from it. Even if it could be acquired at no or low cost it would be a legal and PR nightmare. All future SDC roller coaster $s would be sucked away to this place on legal fees and/or PR.
I know of a little Arkansas company that should have kept their month closed recently on those types of issues and are now dealing with a PR nightmare of "but that offends me too....why do you still sell X, Y, and Z?".
Just stay away from this conversation HFE...
Corporations like, mmmmm Walmart need to back out of the political advocacy field. Contrary to mainstream media belief , half this country believe opposite of most of their tilted Coverage. I find things somewhat amusing when one side holds a Supreme court ruling as an end all be all. Yet, in the case of segregation, it was SCOTUS in the late 1800's that paved the way for Jim Crow. Took them over a half century to right their wrong on that. Just remember, Lincoln issued the EP as an act of desperation. It only freed the slaves of the states of Confederacy. In fact, I believe it took Delaware until after Lincoln's assassination to free their slaves as it wasn't one of those states. Heck, let's tear down every building in DC that was built with slave labor while we are cleansing our collective souls. Let us not forget that the second coming of the Klan in the 20s liked to wrap themselves up in Old Glory as much as the the Stars and Cross.You can call me ignorant till the cows come home but I have ancestors buried in the mass Confederate grave at Shiloh, whose relatives had homes looted by Northern troops thereafter until some retreating Confederate Calvary put a stop to it.
Let's blast off Mt. Rushmore as well. Two owned slaves, while one freed them but believed that the white and black race were the least compatable to coexist with each other and wanted to repatriate them to Africa or sent to Central America and Gulf Islands.. That one firmly believed in the settled science of the day that blacks were an inferiorior race to whites and the Reconstruction would have been a far less hardship on the South had he not been shot.
And... lastly I'll leave this nugget from one of the most maligned of Southern Generals. Remember now the forerunner of the NAACP invited him:
Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)
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There were indeed good men fighting for the South. They may have been misguided, but they were good men, stately, decent, and classy men. Some were devout Christians who treated their slaves respectfully (for slaves). They were guided (and some people still are) by hundreds of years of engrained mindset. Did they really ride horses? Yes. Did they really hold their hats in their hands? Yes. General Grant had great respect for Robert E. Lee at his surrender. Abraham Lincoln demanded that Northerners sing Dixie again following the war. Southerners, no matter their political leanings during the war, were reestablished as citizens of the United States. The facts include atrocities by each side, which could be discussed at sites like this one.
If anything else, Stone Mountain is a tremendous piece of art. If the National Endowment for the Arts can promote crosses soaked in urine and Christian figures draped in human excrement, I think we can look upon a bas relief as historical art at the very least. The same would be true of the pyramids in Egypt, built with slave labor over many years, but people at least can appreciate the engineering of the things. Do I agree with the idea that any person should own another? No.
By the way, Robert E. Lee's plantation is now known as Arlington National Cemetery. He lost it all, gave it up for his part in the Civil War. His house is still there, restored and furnished.
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There were indeed good men fighting for the South. They may have been misguided, but they were good men, stately, decent, and classy men. Some were devout Christians who treated their slaves respectfully (for slaves). They were guided (and some people still are) by hundreds of years of engrained mindset. Did they really ride horses? Yes. Did they really hold their hats in their hands? Yes. General Grant had great respect for Robert E. Lee at his surrender. Abraham Lincoln demanded that Northerners sing Dixie again following the war. Southerners, no matter their political leanings during the war, were reestablished as citizens of the United States. The facts include atrocities by each side, which could be discussed at sites like this one.
If anything else, Stone Mountain is a tremendous piece of art. If the National Endowment for the Arts can promote crosses soaked in urine and Christian figures draped in human excrement, I think we can look upon a bas relief as historical art at the very least. The same would be true of the pyramids in Egypt, built with slave labor over many years, but people at least can appreciate the engineering of the things. Do I agree with the idea that any person should own another? No.
By the way, Robert E. Lee's plantation is now known as Arlington National Cemetery. He lost it all, gave it up for his part in the Civil War. His house is still there, restored and furnished.
Hear hear,
Confederate Memorial at Arlington
(http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2072/1091/400/388122/02-08-02-Confederate_Memorial-Arlington.jpg)
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Guess what is about 100 ft. Behind the camera taking this picture of the this Confederate Memorial
(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arudc/bentonvillemonument.jpg)
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The Walton 5&10?
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At least we can probably all agree that HFEC better keep their heads down throughout all this, as they are surely already doing. The controversy will probably never die, but HFEC doesn't necessarily have to have its name thrown in with it. They are simply there to manage. I'll have to dig it up later, but there have been some articles trying to point out HFEC's connection to Stone Mountain and the controversy, as if they are responsible.
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The Walton 5&10?
Winner winner chicken dinner
(http://bentonvillephotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/JMM_9188sm.jpg)
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It's funny (peculiar) that the previous controversy was that HFE was turning a "sacred" memorial into a circus with all the added attractions.
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One interesting thing I learned in Germany last summer was the way the Germans seemed to utilize things from their history as a positive. As a example the first concentration camp was established outside of Munich in the small town of Dachau. We toured this place and while we were there I was surprised at the number of school groups that were visiting. It then occurred to me that the German government was not trying to hide their history but using it as a teaching tool. The entire camp was set up in a way that told the story of the rise of Naziism and how the people were led to follow a very charismatic person. You could tell it was done so that future generations would not fall for the same tactics. After I got home I delved into the history of Dachau and quickly learned that the picture they presented was not incorrect but a very realistic protrayel of how this place actually evolved.
I said all that to say this. Our history should never be compromised because it may not be what some want to hear. We can use it as a teaching tool to avoid mistakes in the future. I applaud the German people for not hiding their past from future generations.
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One interesting thing I learned in Germany last summer was the way the Germans seemed to utilize things from their history as a positive. As a example the first concentration camp was established outside of Munich in the small town of Dachau. We toured this place and while we were there I was surprised at the number of school groups that were visiting. It then occurred to me that the German government was not trying to hide their history but using it as a teaching tool. The entire camp was set up in a way that told the story of the rise of Naziism and how the people were led to follow a very charismatic person. You could tell it was done so that future generations would not fall for the same tactics. After I got home I delved into the history of Dachau and quickly learned that the picture they presented was not incorrect but a very realistic protrayel of how this place actually evolved.
I said all that to say this. Our history should never be compromised because it may not be what some want to hear. We can use it as a teaching tool to avoid mistakes in the future. I applaud the German people for not hiding their past from future generations.
By most accounts the Japanese do a good job of glossing over there doings in WW2 to show the other side of that coin.
I've seen several articles on modern day slavery, from Thai fishing boat captains using people from Burma as slaves and throwing them overboard when hurt to indentured servants building the World Cup palaces for Quatar to Boko Haram and ISIS and the sex and human trafficking happening right here, right now.
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Post deleted. I guess I wasn't supposed to talk about the topic.
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Hey, let's talk about the park....
I know that Dollywood and the Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge area depends heavily on the Atlanta Metroplex. I have assumed that Stone Mountain made Adventure Mountain more expendable because a like attraction is at Stone Mountain and actually remove a bit of intercompany competion. It's also interesting that foam ball shooting play area was axed as well Dreamland became Owen's Farm. Stone Mountain has the Giant Barn that fills that void. Just an observation.
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Hey, let's talk about the park....
I know that Dollywood and the Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge area depends heavily on the Atlanta Metroplex. I have assumed that Stone Mountain made Adventure Mountain more expendable because a like attraction is at Stone Mountain and actually remove a bit of intercompany competion. It's also interesting that foam ball shooting play area was axed as well Dreamland became Owen's Farm. Stone Mountain has the Giant Barn that fills that void. Just an observation.
I have never been to Stone Mountain and really have no desire to go. Looking at the website it is just kind of a Meh ok attraction. Looks like Herschend leases the rights from the state.
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Post deleted. I guess I wasn't supposed to talk about the topic.
There wasn't anything wrong with what you posted (not that I agreed) - not really sure what led you to that conclusion.
Stone Mountain was supposed to become a much bigger attraction at one point. HFEC had planned a water park addition and even already had a number of water slides ordered and delivered when those plans fell through for some reason. It seems like a lot of their other events/additions over the years have disappeared as well. It's like the state wants to keep it quieter instead of generating more tourism.
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^ Big Rock Water Park was the name, and the SMMA changed their mind after the slides were purchased...Spalsh Island at Wild Adventures and Splash Country had big additions in the years following its demise....
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Blast away fellow cleansers, take all the history away that offends someone and when you get down that relief of the generals you can replace it with Al Sharpton and Bruce Jenner. I myself will stay away and shake my head because I have reasoning power, something most Americans desperately trying to be " correct" are lacking.
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Oh yes I also forgot this this marks the demise of "For The Glory" ever returning........its about the war between the north and the south, it makes light of the situation, celebrates and glamorizes, and Lord knows somebody will be offended. NO WAY we can ever have that back at the park. I almost forget better tear out Flooded Mine cause I think those Prisoners are doing slave labor......RIP IT OUT!
How sensible is this?
Maybe we need to grow up a little and set an example.
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No, I think the president is actually going to pardon all the prisoners in the mine anyway.
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Compromise
(https://cmgajcpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/cj9_yjawoaaehls.png?w=640)
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Compromise
You forgot the isis sign and " Hands up don't shoot" .............
Good one though, very good one
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I really get exasperated at the insanity and selfishness that we are surrounded by these days. Maybe this is the reason I enjoy the park to go to " another place and time". Lets fight to keep the history (what's left) in the experience and not push it away and act as if it never happened. There are lessons with this history and when you remove the relics you essentially remove the history. Dachau still stands as does Auschwitz, the pyramids and the sphinx. Maya ruins. Statues that the insurgents in the middle east have already destroyed to public outcry.
They are history and most should be preserved. When I was a boy we broke a hurricane lamp that was on the mantle horsing around, my parents left that broken lamp on the mantle, every time I walked by and saw it I was reminded of what caused the destruction and knew not to repeat it or I would be looking at more of my handiwork. This was a lesson, or as I like to refer to it "history", each passing I was reminded not to repeat. The lamp condemned my actions and reminded me that if I acted that way again I would have to explain to visitors to the house why I was so slow to learn. Removal = cleansing = memory loss.
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I like that analogy, mh.