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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => General Silver Dollar City Talk => Topic started by: cowboy on January 15, 2014, 02:48:12 PM
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I know they have the flash drives for pictures that you can purchase when you leave, and then bring back to the park, but what if they had a better photo package right when you entered the park. For example:
1. Purchase a flash drive at the entrance for $50 bucks and they give you a wristband identifier for the day.
2. All on ride photos, cave pictures, saloon pics, etc. that are taken that day are free to download just show your wristband to the photo booth.
3. traveling photographers throughout the City that will take "party pics" of wristband groups and you can download all the pictures to the flash drive at the end of the day.
Basically a easy way to get "professional" photos of your family throughout the day.
4. Maybe have some other "photo spots" throughout the park that could be used by the service or just people wanting to take pictures (kind of like the old Kodak Picture Spots you could find in parks).
I know some people get pretty annoyed with the picture people, but if it was a "service" you could purchase to get more than just one or two photos, I think it could be a good thing.
So what are some other services you would like to see expanded, added.......or maybe even removed.
Jay
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I enjoyed this type of thing when I was at disney world. They also had this type of service to some extent at Dollywood. It would be nice for guests and it would be a good revenue stream for sdc. In disney world you could pay 150 dollars and get as many pictures as you wanted on dvd and the pass was good for a certain amount of time. You could go up to any of the photographers and photo spots and get your picture takes. The nice thing at disney was that these photographers would take pictures with your cameras too. Some of the images we got were amazing at WDW. They were set up in places where the picture would be really cool even without special effects. One of the most memorable was where it looked like you were holding up the ball at Epcot.
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I'd love to see Rube's book project for sale at SDC. I'd love to have my book project(s) for sale at SDC. Ozarks history, folklore, tales, and so on. Rube, how you coming on that project?
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I know some people hate the wait time board at OR, but I honestly really like it and would like it to be expanded to all of the major rides. I would also like information boards scattered around the park that have the wait times for rides as well as when the next show time is for the different shows. I think this would be a great help especially to new park patrons -- but at the same time it would make my life easier when I *get* to play tour guide. You can find similar signs at USH, WDW, USOrlando and a few others.
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Mine is still kicking! I concentrated on my artwork this past year for an upcoming hopeful project.
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A behind the scenes tour.
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A behind the scenes tour.
There isn't really all that much behind the scenes that you'd WANT to see though.
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A phone app that displays wait time for the attractions. Similar to the one DW has.
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wait time is availabale on the SDC app for TNT, OR, Train.. maybe FITH??
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Well I will try to stay in an 1800s theme. I have mentioned some things about SF is better and some worse.
I really like Swooshs idea of the "INFO" boards. SF has TV sets at every que line. They are a que lines best friend, however they are NOT in the 1800s theme -- SOOOO.
-- how bout loud speakers (an intranet or in house) >sort of radio system throughout the park, including que lines, that would give different information - like ride times, park history, show times. With today's computers, this info can be area specific and/or park wide info.
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Well I will try to stay in an 1800s theme. I have mentioned some things about SF is better and some worse.
I really like Swooshs idea of the "INFO" boards. SF has TV sets at every que line. They are a que lines best friend, however they are NOT in the 1800s theme -- SOOOO.
-- how bout loud speakers (an intranet or in house) >sort of radio system throughout the park, including que lines, that would give different information - like ride times, park history, show times. With today's computers, this info can be area specific and/or park wide info.
I don't think I want to hear anything through a loud speaker throughout the day. I don't even like the canned music they play.
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I guess I just don't care about the theme when it comes to the info boards. They are something that is needed. If nothing else, use a flat screen and make it period specific with the theme of the display. Like I said, I don't care about the theme with regards to this. It needs to be done and done yesterday.
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Gilligan, (First off-sorry about the sad news of "The Proffessor") anyway. I agree, I dont much like the things that come from most loud speakers.
-I like Swooshs idea of TV moniters throughout the park giving specific info. -- however it seems everytime I mention something modern (even if it is needed) I get a huge backlash because it is not period specific. That is why I mentioned a "radio style" info system. (Simply because of the time correct theme).
-I do think the park needs some monitors. We need to have certain info at hand.
1-show times
2-wait times - (shows and rides). Approx. Update at certain time frames like every 15/30 min
3-give HISTORY about that specific area of the park
4-give generic history stories (SDC, Marvel Cave, maybe any HFE property, maybe Branson in general)
5-give locations of where patrons may find the closest restrooms, merchants, food/drink items or where in the park they can find certain types of food. Or certain items to purchase like hats, toys, ETC.
I know some of these things are like DUH! But there are still some people that are (wait for it)
----visiting SDC for the very first time. I know first timers would like info streams like these.
I still like the TV monitors in long que lines
I like the "flash card/thumb drive" idea for pics (mentioned above).
I still like the picture ID season pass too -- but thats in another post
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I like discovering things for myself. An app with this information would be fine, but I really don't want to hear announcements of any kind - unless it's an emergency. Perhaps someone could temporarily subscribe to text alerts for their visits - alerts to short lines and the like.
I'm OK with wait times. They're already shown on needed rides. As long as they are updated, why go digital? Sorry, Q, but part of the magic of SDC is the mock-reality of the theme. What do we need TV monitors for? I don't want to see commercials for other parts of the park played over and over while I'm enjoying the queue.
Interactive queues, however, seem to be on the rise at Disney. I would definitely encourage something like that!
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Fine. If you don't want to go digital with the information signs, then do the information / wait signs like they do at Disneyland. Those are manual so you will have to have someone manning them, which is man power -- but that'll "keep with the theme"
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Just a question: doesn't someone manually update a digital sign, as well?
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Not if you set up an alogarithm. It wouldn't be that hard to program.
Each ride's time when updated at that particular attraction would connected to the central computer which runs the information boards and coincidentally updates them. As for the show times, that can be programmed to update automatically.
I know what you are saying "but someone has to update the times at each attraction" -- well if they do it like they do at Disney, they periodically give a person a scan card necklace at the entrance that is scanned by the attraction greeter. Then the guest takes the card through the queue and then when they are next to get on the ride, the load ambassador takes the card and scans it again and that updates the time. So not really any additional staffing.
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What did I say? As soon as I mention something a bit more modern I get hammered about "keeping the 1800s theme"
First off. I am trying to attract new guests here. They will appreciate some information stations throughout the park. Im talking about little KIOSKS every so often where the guests may use them if they want.
As far as watching some history and or promoting different areas of SDC while standing in a que line. Well trust me, it is real nice. I promise these things will NOT make you older guests (who has been to SDC 157 billion times) not come back. If it does, maybe the problem lies deeper than a TV monitor. And the SDC newbies will absolutely love this new stuff. (Remember I heard lots of comments on these things at SFSL. All was positive). SFSL doesnt even have all this info that Im saying we should get at SDC.
You all seem to be APP crazy. I think the APP idea is nice, and it is available now. However I dont have a SMART (stupid) phone so I dont get those APPs. Not only that, but I generally dont take my phone to SDC - WOF - SF - ETC. I have witnessed too many lost or damaged phones working in lost & found at SFSL. I dont carry my phone, I cant get the APP. Therefore, the APP is useless to me (and the many others who DONT carry their phone to a park like SDC.
I know the older we get, the harder it is to adapt to change. Im starting to feel it myself. My Dad proves this to me every time I see him. But with an aging tourist base. We must change to attract younger guests, or the industry will collapse. Because quite honostly, all the kids want to do anyway is play XBOX. Travel means nothing to them.
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"All the kids want to do is play XBOX. Travel means nothing to them." Is that what the "zombie apocalypse" means? (Ha!)
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I know I will get some flack for this but I would like the park to allow ATT or Verizon to put a tower close by. ( not something you could see from within the park) I have been to the park many times when the kids have it so overloaded that you cant call members of your party. We used to make it without cell phones but some people need a string tied to them so you can keep together. This is something that they might be able to mount to the side of a lift hill that would assure better service in the parks. Also SDC might consider providing a wi-fi network to jump onto when you are in the park. A busy Christmas evening combined with trying to use there app in the park is sometimes impossible.
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I would still like to see some webcams scattered around the park so I can "visit" whenever I want...even in the offseason.
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Swoosh, are there still signs out there in the queue world that indicate "30 minute wait from here", "45 minute wait from here"? No staff at all needed for updating those if they are correctly placed.
That scan card thing at Disney drives me crazy. My wife had to carry several of those in our visit, last summer - at times when there was no line at all. It just felt like we were doing someone else's job.
I know, too, after standing in lines at Universal and Sea World, that I got so tired of seeing and hearing the same awful videos over and over (Sea World was the worst at this, with absolutely no regard to the theme of the ride.).
I know, Qwed, I'm a stickler for theme. It hurts me to see SDC become more and more amusement park and less theme park. I just don't buy the idea that we have to become more like the rest of the world in order to retain our customers (For the record, I believe the same thing about the church.).
What works for SDC is its unique blend of history, tongue-in-cheek humor, and clean family fun (for all ages), but we all know that. If screens could be blended in to the queue without looking like wall-mounted TVs, there might be a way to do it. I wouldn't be opposed to it if done with class.
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I know I will get some flack for this but I would like the park to allow ATT or Verizon to put a tower close by. ( not something you could see from within the park) I have been to the park many times when the kids have it so overloaded that you cant call members of your party. We used to make it without cell phones but some people need a string tied to them so you can keep together. This is something that they might be able to mount to the side of a lift hill that would assure better service in the parks. Also SDC might consider providing a wi-fi network to jump onto when you are in the park. A busy Christmas evening combined with trying to use there app in the park is sometimes impossible.
There are two towers in the Jeff City area that are disguised as tall trees. If they can do that here they can surely do that at SDC
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I would think someone makes or could make a clock with hour and minute hands that can be changed remotely. This would address the ride wait time issue without stepping out of theme. That is of course assuming that most people now a days can still tell time without a digital display.
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I know I will get some flack for this but I would like the park to allow ATT or Verizon to put a tower close by. ( not something you could see from within the park) I have been to the park many times when the kids have it so overloaded that you cant call members of your party. We used to make it without cell phones but some people need a string tied to them so you can keep together. This is something that they might be able to mount to the side of a lift hill that would assure better service in the parks. Also SDC might consider providing a wi-fi network to jump onto when you are in the park. A busy Christmas evening combined with trying to use there app in the park is sometimes impossible.
There are two towers in the Jeff City area that are disguised as tall trees. If they can do that here they can surely do that at SDC
Or, perhaps, a treehouse...
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As far as towers are concerned, near my work we have one big tower with a huge "Old Glory" hanging on it. I think you could place that dead center in the square and be accepted. On a different note, those towers are noisy as WELL! So it needs to be a bit away.
Buff, I understand your point. I just know that some form of distraction is real nice in an hour long wait line. But it must be the proper message. I know. SDC can get that right.
My main point though is the info screens throughout the park. I'm not sure I want huge TVs hanging everywhere, but small little kiosks spread around would be a real big treat. IMO. Again, it must give quick info. Show times, ride wait times, food choices, ETC. The info would be at hand, the kiosks would be seen, but not in direct sight. If you don't. Want to use them, don't. But have availabile for those who wants them
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I would still like to see some webcams scattered around the park so I can "visit" whenever I want...even in the offseason.
I like this idea!!
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Move the picture pickup area in the Marketplace on the way out the exit. The line is a mess.
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Move the picture pickup area in the Marketplace on the way out the exit. The line is a mess.
I'm sure it's there because it's a prominent location that everyone passes. The same could be served by moving the line to behind the counter. That would get it out of the traffic and still be prominently placed - even if the counter and the aisle had to be shifted out.
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I would like the entrance/exit area to be redone so that there is better flow. I have no idea how they can do it without basically go in and start over but something needs to be done there.
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I would like the entrance/exit area to be redone so that there is better flow. I have no idea how they can do it without basically go in and start over but something needs to be done there.
The stampede through the hospitality house after the first parade during OTC begged for that place being lifted clean.
They should buy a surplus Chinook to airlift folks from SOTH when traffic is backed up.
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They should buy a surplus Chinook to airlift folks from SOTH when traffic is backed up.
(From Chitlins)
I agree. Maybe a new zipline. ;D ;D ;D
Darnnit. There goes my bad attempt at humor again.
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Yes, removal of a few stop lights on 76 would be amazing.
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Some "smart signs" around Branson would be great. Letting people know what traffic conditions are and giving alternate routes. But there is a lot around Branson that I would change......
Something else I like that SF does that wouldn't be too hard to SDC to add would be the buy the refill cup, get free refills that day.
I would also love to see a hotel one day that is on property......or real close so you can walk back and forth. This would get rid of the HWY 76 headache, etc. Also, if they built it so that it could be accessed by all guest (it could serve as a nice break for people to relax and have a great sit down full service restaurant meal.) Maybe with Dollywood getting one, we'll see one soon.
Jay
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Or, perhaps, a treehouse...
Any excuse to reopen the treehouse = awesome idea
Make it a cell tower + full blown media center if you want to
I wouldn't mind that one bit if my beloved treehouse reopened... ;D
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I would also love to see a hotel one day that is on property......or real close so you can walk back and forth. This would get rid of the HWY 76 headache, etc. Also, if they built it so that it could be accessed by all guest (it could serve as a nice break for people to relax and have a great sit down full service restaurant meal.) Maybe with Dollywood getting one, we'll see one soon.
I have long wanted them to move all of their properties out to Indian Point. They missed out on the chance to have a resort down there where the condos were built. That would have been a perfect location -- and then move the Showboat Branson Belle's launch point out there AND then build a a completely new waterpark out there. It would just make more sense to make Indian Point - SILVER DOLLAR CITY Point and just buy out everything out there and turn it into the ultimate resort.
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well as someone mentioned Dollywood getting a hotel. I bet HFE will evaluate how that all works out. If it goes well, I wouldnt be surprised to see SDC with a complete resort at some point. Complete with an indoor waterpark. (Im sure an outdoor waterpark too). I dont know where this resort would be, but it is a few years away, anyway. I say an indoor park because then it could be a "year round attraction". And would be marketed as such. If that ever happens, you might even see SDC open (or partially open) year round.
--That would depend on location of this "possible" resort.--but I do think we will see some form of Motel/Hotel/Resort/ETC in the fairly near future.
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I would also love to see a hotel one day that is on property......or real close so you can walk back and forth. This would get rid of the HWY 76 headache, etc. Also, if they built it so that it could be accessed by all guest (it could serve as a nice break for people to relax and have a great sit down full service restaurant meal.) Maybe with Dollywood getting one, we'll see one soon.
I have long wanted them to move all of their properties out to Indian Point. They missed out on the chance to have a resort down there where the condos were built. That would have been a perfect location -- and then move the Showboat Branson Belle's launch point out there AND then build a a completely new waterpark out there. It would just make more sense to make Indian Point - SILVER DOLLAR CITY Point and just buy out everything out there and turn it into the ultimate resort.
I respect your opinion and see why this could be a huge deal. But personally, I would hate if Indian Point was bought out and turned into "SDC point".
Very high risk/reward for sure though.
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I'd like to keep SDC as low-tech as possible, but realize that I won't be getting my way in the future so I'll have to let it go. For me it's both personal and also so SDC doesn't lose it's identity or niche. But I suppose there have been updates before that didn't cause severe collapse.
As far as products go, keeping anything hand-crafted is a must. I've also wondered why there isn't a different store that specializes in cowboy hats....like the leather shop, but instead of leather your typical "cowboy" style hat. No, I don't mean the ugly ones the country music stars and wanna-be's are wearing today, or the cheap 3 dollar ones people buy to keep the sun out of their eyes that you can buy at the hospitality house....good, quality hats. Handmade ones to boot. Heck, BOOTS can be sold there too. I dunno. I guess I don't NEED it there, just surprised there isn't a prominent one there.
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[quote author=Preachin_Bill link=topic=2833.msg54551#msg54551 date=139028051
As far as products go, keeping anything hand-crafted is a must. I've also wondered why there isn't a different store that specializes in cowboy hats....like the leather shop, but instead of leather your typical "cowboy" style hat. No, I don't mean the ugly ones the country music stars and wanna-be's are wearing today, or the cheap 3 dollar ones people buy to keep the sun out of their eyes that you can buy at the hospitality house....good, quality hats. Handmade ones to boot. Heck, BOOTS can be sold there too. I dunno. I guess I don't NEED it there, just surprised there isn't a prominent one there.
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Bill. That sure would be nice, however I feel those days are "gone with the wind". WHY??
Well the economy is bad. There are still some folks that will pay $hundreds for hats or boots, but most of the general public these days will only pay $hundreds for 2 things--FOOD, GAS/Fuel..
I also imagine HFE would not pay the demonstraters what they deserve, not to mention the actual cost of materials. Im sure it is much more economically responsible for HFE to buy these low quality items (that is in the SDC shops today) and pay next to nothing for them. then mark them up (probably 150%-250%) and sell them at a ridiculous price to us.
OK that makes HFE right on PAR with every single company in the world today. Of course we are promised these activities in Revelations/Daniel/others. It is a sign that brings smiles to me when I think of the "final" result. But it sure makes me angry when I think of TODAY only.
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[quote author=Preachin_Bill link=topic=2833.msg54551#msg54551 date=139028051
As far as products go, keeping anything hand-crafted is a must. I've also wondered why there isn't a different store that specializes in cowboy hats....like the leather shop, but instead of leather your typical "cowboy" style hat. No, I don't mean the ugly ones the country music stars and wanna-be's are wearing today, or the cheap 3 dollar ones people buy to keep the sun out of their eyes that you can buy at the hospitality house....good, quality hats. Handmade ones to boot. Heck, BOOTS can be sold there too. I dunno. I guess I don't NEED it there, just surprised there isn't a prominent one there.
Bill. That sure would be nice, however I feel those days are "gone with the wind". WHY??
Well the economy is bad. There are still some folks that will pay $hundreds for hats or boots, but most of the general public these days will only pay $hundreds for 2 things--FOOD, GAS/Fuel..
I also imagine HFE would not pay the demonstraters what they deserve, not to mention the actual cost of materials. Im sure it is much more economically responsible for HFE to buy these low quality items (that is in the SDC shops today) and pay next to nothing for them. then mark them up (probably 150%-250%) and sell them at a ridiculous price to us.
OK that makes HFE right on PAR with every single company in the world today. Of course we are promised these activities in Revelations/Daniel/others. It is a sign that brings smiles to me when I think of the "final" result. But it sure makes me angry when I think of TODAY only.
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Yes I'm sure you are correct. Just hypothetical wishful thinking, I suppose. I don't expect to ever see it. Wouldn't really matter in the scope of ticket sales anyway. Just thought I'd throw it out there for something I'd like to see...but understand that I probably won't.
I suppose preserving the craftsman and hand-crafted shops they have now should be priority #1.
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I would also love to see a hotel one day that is on property......or real close so you can walk back and forth. This would get rid of the HWY 76 headache, etc. Also, if they built it so that it could be accessed by all guest (it could serve as a nice break for people to relax and have a great sit down full service restaurant meal.) Maybe with Dollywood getting one, we'll see one soon.
I have long wanted them to move all of their properties out to Indian Point. They missed out on the chance to have a resort down there where the condos were built. That would have been a perfect location -- and then move the Showboat Branson Belle's launch point out there AND then build a a completely new waterpark out there. It would just make more sense to make Indian Point - SILVER DOLLAR CITY Point and just buy out everything out there and turn it into the ultimate resort.
I respect your opinion and see why this could be a huge deal. But personally, I would hate if Indian Point was bought out and turned into "SDC point".
Very high risk/reward for sure though.
I respect your remark but am curious why you did not support it.
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I would also like to see lockers with plug ins for your phones ect. I might not mind renting a locker for a dollar if I could plug my phone in and charge it up while waiting to ride.
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As for the economy being bad, anyone been to Nashville TN lately? It truly is a regional thing.
Farmers back home haven't had it this good since the Carter admin.
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Swoosh,
For me it is a personal thing. I love Indian Point and stay at a resort there every time I visit. As great as I think SDC is, I worry that taking over all of Indian Point would be too...commercialized? I guess is the word I'm looking for.
As hazardous as this is to say on an SDC board...the Branson Area is much more than just SDC.
I like the idea of a hotel or something, but the taking over of the entire point would be too extreme for me.
Now, would they do it? As I said, it's huge risk and reward. If it's a hit it could be a jackpot. But if it misses...that could be REAL trouble for SDC with that large of an investment.
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As for the economy being bad, anyone been to Nashville TN lately? It truly is a regional thing.
Farmers back home haven't had it this good since the Carter admin.
true. FOOD is doing good here. But if you think about it. What does the USA manufacture these days? FOOD. That is just about it.
An awful lot of paper is made in other countries. Electronics come from other countries. We might assemble a lot of scattered new car parts, that was made in other countries, to form a whole car. A lot of machinery was not made here. Almost everything you buy at Wallyworld (except the food), comes from other countries. Shoot an awful lot of atheletes and Drs didnt even come from here. Im sure I could go on & on. I know all of you all could too.
So what does the USA manufacture these days. Crime, obesity, and DEBT. Lots of DEBT. This is a recipe that must be fixed soon or it will be the death of the USA.
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As for the economy being bad, anyone been to Nashville TN lately? It truly is a regional thing.
Farmers back home haven't had it this good since the Carter admin.
true. FOOD is doing good here. But if you think about it. What does the USA manufacture these days? FOOD. That is just about it.
An awful lot of paper is made in other countries. Electronics come from other countries. We might assemble a lot of scattered new car parts, that was made in other countries, to form a whole car. A lot of machinery was not made here. Almost everything you buy at Wallyworld (except the food), comes from other countries. Shoot an awful lot of atheletes and Drs didnt even come from here. Im sure I could go on & on. I know all of you all could too.
So what does the USA manufacture these days. Crime, obesity, and DEBT. Lots of DEBT. This is a recipe that must be fixed soon or it will be the death of the USA.
Have you looked at the stickers of new cars. They have to list the percentage of parts sourced here or abroad. Toyota's axles for their full sized trucks are made in Marion Arkansas. The steel that's stamped is milled in America. My Honda was well over 70% North American sourced. Is some of that Mexico, yep but better there than asia.
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Chitlins. I understand. Its nice to have cars assembled here. And yes some Hondas/Toyotas/ETC are 70% or more US sourced, but the main money from the sales still goes to Japan. Take my new Chevy. Assembled in Mi. Stamped parts are from USA, several interior components from Canada, tires from China, engine from Korea, transmission from Japan, electronics from Germany. However it a Chevrolet-USA product. Money still goes to USA.
My point is/was-we here in the USA do not produce the things we used too. I didnt try to sound like we dont produce anything, just nothing like what we used to produce. -- And worse yet Walmart. (you know the place that manufactures most of our debt) has shelves full of Chinese made products).
This is not completely Walmarts fault. Example- Black & Decker is primarily producing everything in China right now. (at least the report I read 4 or 5 years ago). That is not Walmarts fault that these companies have moved to China. Just another example that "these companies are moving out of the USA and going elsewhere".
Seriously, about the only thing that the USA produces AND exports (in volumes) is FOOD. We are the world food supply REALLY.
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Chitlins. I understand. Its nice to have cars assembled here. And yes some Hondas/Toyotas/ETC are 70% or more US sourced, but the main money from the sales still goes to Japan. Take my new Chevy. Assembled in Mi. Stamped parts are from USA, several interior components from Canada, tires from China, engine from Korea, transmission from Japan, electronics from Germany. However it a Chevrolet-USA product. Money still goes to USA.
My point is/was-we here in the USA do not produce the things we used too. I didnt try to sound like we dont produce anything, just nothing like what we used to produce. -- And worse yet Walmart. (you know the place that manufactures most of our debt) has shelves full of Chinese made products).
This is not completely Walmarts fault. Example- Black & Decker is primarily producing everything in China right now. (at least the report I read 4 or 5 years ago). That is not Walmarts fault that these companies have moved to China. Just another example that "these companies are moving out of the USA and going elsewhere".
Seriously, about the only thing that the USA produces AND exports (in volumes) is FOOD. We are the world food supply REALLY.
I don't want to make this into something not SDC related so we'll agree to disagree but I'm perfectly finewith Honda
http://www.hondainamerica.com/manufacturing
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I would also love to see a hotel one day that is on property......or real close so you can walk back and forth. This would get rid of the HWY 76 headache, etc. Also, if they built it so that it could be accessed by all guest (it could serve as a nice break for people to relax and have a great sit down full service restaurant meal.) Maybe with Dollywood getting one, we'll see one soon.
I have long wanted them to move all of their properties out to Indian Point. They missed out on the chance to have a resort down there where the condos were built. That would have been a perfect location -- and then move the Showboat Branson Belle's launch point out there AND then build a a completely new waterpark out there. It would just make more sense to make Indian Point - SILVER DOLLAR CITY Point and just buy out everything out there and turn it into the ultimate resort.
I'm afraid SDC might lose their personality if they ever got that big.
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I'm afraid SDC might lose their personality if they ever got that big.
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Agreed.