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Title: fire in the hole question
Post by: orient express on June 01, 2008, 10:14:55 AM
for as long as i can remember there was a part in FiTH where a baldknobber was hanging and a wolf was below him. then within the last two years they have changed it twice. im wondering if the took him down because they may have thought that it wasnt family suitable or something. does anyone know?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: shavethewhales on June 01, 2008, 01:19:08 PM
Scenes in FITH come and go over the years, but I can certainly understand why they would take down anything related to hanging - seeing as some guests seem to confuse the Baldknobbers with the KKK. (The two are not related)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 02, 2008, 01:20:51 AM
Somebody complained.

I think the queue-line is in need of some Baldknobber explanation. Give more emphases on them being vigilantes.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 02, 2008, 08:57:17 AM
I have only recently availed myself of the history of the Baldknobbers.  Some history would be nice to go along with FITH; the ride makes more sense to me now.  They started out as a good group, but then some other groups sprang up that only wanted to loot and pillage.

It's kind of a complicated, but engrossing, history.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: DocSpeleo on June 02, 2008, 11:57:42 AM
I've heard there is new Leadership for FiTH, so I bet there will be some minor changes.  :-X
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 02, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
^New leadership?  What does that mean?  Is this a joke I'm just not getting?  I'm confused.  ???
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on June 02, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
I'm wondering the same thing since the Ride Lead Ops are still the same people that it has been for years.  The Lead Op is the "daddy" of Buckets the dalmation that is there on Saturdays
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on June 02, 2008, 03:18:41 PM
Running the line through the building, and not so much outside, would allow people to get a better sense for the baldknobber history.  Let's hope we don't just get another village on fire ride.  Keep the baldknobber theme - it's what gives the ride local appeal and educational value.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 02, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
Old Guy you might know this, has FITH lost a lot of theme over the years?
Any one else too!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on June 02, 2008, 08:10:08 PM
^Well didn't FITH lose a whole part of the ride after the bridge collapse scene or something like that? I remember hearing that a whole ride scene was taken out after the accident where a person was killed.

Somebody complained.

I think the queue-line is in need of some Baldknobber explanation. Give more emphases on them being vigilantes.

It makes me mad how people complain about a ride. If they don't like something in the ride then THEY DON'T HAVE TO RIDE. They don't need to ruin something for everyone else.

I think the whole queue needs to be reworked, with more of a backstory and a better line system. It can get pretty confusing during the summer when everyone is packed in there like sardines trying to escape Missouri humidity and no one knows what line they are in.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: DocSpeleo on June 02, 2008, 11:20:43 PM
By leadership, I was referring to the FiTH Lead.  Which is the guy/gal who keeps everything on the ride working smoothly, training new Citizens, scheduling, safety training, etc. and I'm sure putting their stamp on the place with other minor changes. 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on June 03, 2008, 12:38:55 AM
^So basically you were blowing smoke out your arse since the Lead Op is still Bucket's "daddy"  >:(

Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: DocSpeleo on June 03, 2008, 08:35:04 AM
No, I don't think so because Bucket's "daddy" is not the one who makes the decisions about the ride or the employees.  The person who can make significant changes would be the ride lead.  That person sees things they would like to update/change/make better and report back to their boss and get things done.  This lead would be the person who could change up the line queuing to explain the Baldknobbers a little better or in my hopes make that line situation a little clearer! lol
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 03, 2008, 10:06:10 AM
One thing I do like about the line in the summer when it's long is that it gives me a chance to look at the Fireman's Cemetery.  One of my most favorite theming aspects in the entire park!  ;D
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Joy on June 10, 2008, 06:21:05 PM
I remember the crashing bridge... I always loved that part... You see the ceiling of the bridge collapsing, and just when you think it's gonna be on top of you, the coaster takes a dip.

I agree that they need to add more to the queue line to explain about the Baldknobbers and the storyline behind FitH. Especially seeing as how the story is based of the fact that Marmaros (the town SDC is based on) was burned by the Baldknobbers. When it was rebuilt, it was rebuilt in a nearby location, which is why on some topography maps there are two listings for Marmaros and/or Marmaros is listed in a different place than SDC is located.

~ "Becky" Joy ~
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on June 10, 2008, 09:56:54 PM
As I understand it Marmaros was a ghost town when the Baldknobbers burned it. They did not want the Lynches moving into the area and the tourists that would follow. Didn't stop them though and the locals quickly changed their minds.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 10, 2008, 11:44:20 PM
Old Guy, that is how I understand it too.

Found this a few years ago in the SDC Archives.

Marmaros:

Marmaros grew out of a mining settlement built by the incorporators of the Marble Cave Mining and Manufacturing Company. At first an attempt was made to mine lead ore from this cave, but there was not enough lead ore in the cave to make it worthwhile. Then the group of eight business men seven from Lamar, and one from Milford attempted to mine marble from the cave, but it is blighted with imbedded streaks of flint, making it useless.

Then it was learned that the country's largest colony of bats made its home here. The bat droppings were sold for $700 a ton. It was hauled out of the cave on one of the first cave railways and processed into a rich fertilizer in Arkansas. Marmaros thrived as the bat dung capital of the state. It was platted and incorporated about 1881, and became a trade center in the Ozarks wilderness. But the economy of Marmaros was based on only one industry.

Later a Dr. Lynch bought the cave, sight unseen to hunt prehistoric bones. He failed to find the bones in the quantities he had hoped for. Finally, his two daughters came to Stone County to take care of him and his cave. The two sisters showed the cave, providing coveralls for tourists, until 1946. Sometime before that they had changed the name from Marble Cave to Marvel Cave.

A fire in 1894, spelled disaster. A half hearted attempt was made to rebuild the town, but its reason for existence was gone. The guano entrepreneurs decided there wasn't enough of it left to make rebuilding worthwhile.

The post mistress moved her office to a new site near present Kimberling City. A number of Marmaros residents followed. A few die hards stayed on at the old town, but about the only thing left was the pottery works, and after a time it too closed down.

For a time maps of the state showed two towns in Stone County named Marmaros. Eventually the two towns returned to the wilderness.

This is the present site of Silver Dollar City. The parking lot was once the Marmaros school play ground.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 11, 2008, 09:13:35 AM
^That's interesting!  I knew most of that already, but it's good to have a refresher.  I didn't know about the parking lot being the school playground.  I wonder which parking lot it refers to?  The one that used to be where Main St. is now, or a present-day parking lot?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 11, 2008, 11:04:01 AM
This is from the 1960s, so I would say the parking on Main Street.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 11, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
This is from the 1960s, so I would say the parking on Main Street.

Cool.  Thanks!  I'll never think of Main St. the same way again. :)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Baldknobber on June 25, 2008, 09:02:53 PM
First off....1st post here!!!
New to the boards and am I glad I found it!!!
I have always loved what Silver Dollar City is/was all about. I used to go 6 times a year growing up (in Kansas City).

Anyway.....since the topic is on Fire in the Hole, I wonder if any of you remember when, right after the collapse of the bridge and you took that dip up and around, you actually came to where it looked like the track was gone? Now I haven't been there in about 5 years (since I am in Florida now), but the way it went to is right after the dip, there is now a stagecoach on the left side with some weird spiders web on the right side?? It used to be that the "track" was lit up and all twisted and you were going to go straight over it and crash below, but because the wheels sat a bit further back in the front car, you would suddenly be jerked around it and all was well until you got to the train ahead...

I never understood the spiders web thing...

Anyway....anyone remember that part of the ride??

Brian
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 25, 2008, 09:44:24 PM
I don’t personally remember I was a baby when they changed the ride in 1982-83, but I have walked in the areas that the scenes used to exist.

The space is huge. After the first dip (Collapsing Bridge) you turned right. I don’t know what the scenes looked like in this area; nothing remains except a huge open space. After that space the track was back by the collapsing bridge, but then went left. That is where the curved track was (actually some of it still is there). The curved track was located above the burning cabin (area where the moon and stars are). After a left hand turn the cars were in front of the train tunnel.

I will get some pictures!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on June 25, 2008, 09:52:48 PM
^Cool!  Can't wait for the pictures, Copper! ;D  I'm also too young to have ridden the ride before they changed it.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on June 25, 2008, 10:45:04 PM
I remember back when I was little that there was a longer approach to the train tunnel.  Shoot I couldn't have been more than 4 at the time.  I think that they should go back and make it longer again.  Especially the next time they go through and do some TLC touch ups
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on June 25, 2008, 10:52:31 PM
I get told I’m wining by the M&C guys when I suggest making it longer. I do however hope some of the scenes can improve. They are tired looking
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on June 28, 2008, 12:20:48 PM
The missing section of track started where the burning bridge is now. (the Kinney bridge is named for the then park director) prior to that the car looped around an area of mini vocano like sand gysers that never made any sense to me. the car then gave a lurch and you dropped to the right into the Baldknober caves. They were baracaded behind crates and wagons and shot at you as you went by. A right turn took you down a short tunnel to the broken bridge where you swung to the right skirting the edge of the cliff before you turned left into the train tunnel as it is today.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: firstyear1967 on July 08, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
I was eight years old the first time I rode Fire in the Hole.  The approach to the train was a great deal longer and really made you feel you were about to be run over by a train.  The ride has made several changes over the years as has the park.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on July 09, 2008, 02:18:45 AM
The missing section of track started where the burning bridge is now. (the Kinney bridge is named for the then park director) prior to that the car looped around an area of mini vocano like sand gysers that never made any sense to me. the car then gave a lurch and you dropped to the right into the Baldknober caves. They were baracaded behind crates and wagons and shot at you as you went by. A right turn took you down a short tunnel to the broken bridge where you swung to the right skirting the edge of the cliff before you turned left into the train tunnel as it is today.

When did this go away?  Because I can vividly remember this from when I was a little guy riding it the first time. 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on July 09, 2008, 07:06:09 AM
early 80's sometime
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on July 09, 2008, 11:54:46 AM
I swear it was still there in '85 or even later.
Any idea why that section was removed?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on July 09, 2008, 02:56:18 PM
To increase ride capacity by making it shorter.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on July 10, 2008, 02:49:59 AM
To increase ride capacity by making it shorter.

True. I recall hour-long lines for FItH, with zig-zag queues snaking through the firemen's cemetery and back around the corner. Of course, it was the only coaster-type ride in the park at the time, and it was very popular.

These days, when it's more of an iconic/cult classic ride, and there are much more exciting rides for the coaster fans, it makes sense to restore it to how it used to be. Complete with the full soak splashdown for everyone in the third row on back.  ;D
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on July 10, 2008, 09:08:08 AM
Back before TNT I remember lines all the way back through the Firemen's Cemetery (which I think is one of the greatest theming elements in the entire park).  I just wish I'd actually get wet on Fire In the Hole.  No matter where I sit I only get a few sprinkles of water.  Back in the day, did people actually get soaked?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on July 10, 2008, 10:37:19 AM
I just wish I'd actually get wet on Fire In the Hole.  No matter where I sit I only get a few sprinkles of water.  Back in the day, did people actually get soaked?
The only way to not get wet was to sit in the first two seats, or at the very back. When the train hit the water, it splashed outwards, then off the walls and back onto the train. Rows 3-7 got really hosed.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on July 10, 2008, 04:13:23 PM
There are a couple different water effects to FITH. The splash is used as a break and that is what they use if it is cool outside. Then there is a water drop from the ceiling that usually gets everyone wet, at least a little. Then there is a spray type gun that mostly gets the left side of the car wet. This is only used when it is HOT outside, but many times they don't turn this one on.

I was told by FITH M&C that scenes nine and ten were taken out in 1982 for capacity issues.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: betamike on July 10, 2008, 04:45:43 PM
What is scene 9 & 10 being used as now?  Better yet, is it at a place where it could be converted back or has that ship sailed?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: shavethewhales on July 10, 2008, 04:49:03 PM
A better question is: will the park ever go through the effort of investing in the ride that much? Or if they do invest in upgrading the ride, will it be to restore it to it's original glory, or will they do something different?

I could see them eventually bringing back the old scenes from the ride, but I could also see them wanting to pep up the ride and market it as new and improved...
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on July 10, 2008, 07:24:25 PM
^which they should have done last year for it's anniversary. *le sigh*
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on July 10, 2008, 10:49:37 PM
I think you get wetter this year but I might've imagined things. I never experienced the ride as it was before so the FITH I know now is the only one I have ever known.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on July 11, 2008, 08:22:15 AM
Back in the mid-90s we used to sit in the last row of FITH and get absolutely drenched.  That's not true now.  In fact, we'd get so wet that we got into a routine of riding FITH, then getting on the SkyChase Balloons to dry off. :D

That changed sometime around 2000 or so to where we'd only have to use the balloons to dry off if we rode the Wilderness (now Waterworks) Waterboggan or Lost River.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on July 11, 2008, 11:08:30 AM
Actually now, the back seat is the dry-est seat on the train and is the only place we'll sit when we ride FitH because we don't WANT to get wet.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: firstyear1967 on July 11, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
It has always been a great ride.  It is to bad they don't make it what it was.  I would really like to show my kids what it was like.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on July 11, 2008, 09:53:53 PM
I can see it marketed the same as Disney DVDs: restored and including lost scenes.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on July 12, 2008, 09:53:18 AM
^FiTH:  Uncut

or

FiTH:  Unrated

 :D
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on July 12, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
We want FitH with lights, but I'd also ride FitH with NO lights - just sound.  Talk about a scary ride!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on July 12, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Trust me, FITH with the lights on is no great woop. I spent part of a winter replanting plastic flowers in front of Red Flander's place, picking up garbage thrown from cars etc. and it's kind of seady looking with the lights on. Now off would be cool......
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Baldknobber on July 12, 2008, 07:21:35 PM
I also remember the voice yelling "FIRE-IN-THE-HOLEEEEEE" being different back then...Sounded alot better than the last time I was there. The guy really belted it out back then..I don't know...there is just no UMPH! to it in its current form.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on July 12, 2008, 07:28:56 PM
Quote
Trust me, FITH with the lights on is no great woop. I spent part of a winter replanting plastic flowers in front of Red Flander's place, picking up garbage thrown from cars etc. and it's kind of seady looking with the lights on. Now off would be cool......

That's what I'm thinking.  Actually, so would the Flooded Mine - no shoot-out, just floating through with the music and sound effects.  Something for them to think about for another Midnight Madness in October.  I know they won't want to promote the Halloween theme, but there's nothing wrong with scaring people.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: betamike on July 12, 2008, 07:54:58 PM
We do this at Disney from time to time and host some of our attractions for College Program and Grad Nites with either the lights on or off on some of the attractions.  It has to be a convention or in house type ticket to do so because of the show aspect...but frankly the lights on thing really makes you see it from then on with a whole different perspective.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on July 12, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
I can only imagine the scariest of all in the dark - It's a Small World.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: betamike on July 12, 2008, 10:00:07 PM
I can only imagine the scariest of all in the dark - It's a Small World.

Ha!   ;D
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on July 13, 2008, 12:24:46 AM
Trust me, FITH with the lights on is no great woop. I spent part of a winter replanting plastic flowers in front of Red Flander's place, picking up garbage thrown from cars etc. and it's kind of seady looking with the lights on. Now off would be cool......

I've been through with both.  Coaster Christmas 2006 we did several laps thro' with the lights on.  It really gives you an appreciation of just how big those drops are -- especially right after the train tunnel.  The lights off one was at the end of the day way back when I was younger and my brother and I were the only ones on the train and we asked if they would do it and they said "sure".  It was rather freaky.  No sound or anything. 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on July 13, 2008, 01:07:15 PM
^FiTH with the lights off sounds a bit unnerving, especially for kids.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on July 13, 2008, 07:11:46 PM
I do want to experience it with the lights on at least one even if it is no big whoop. Just for a new experience and to appreciate all the detail in it.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: oldsdcer on July 27, 2008, 05:43:20 PM
I remember when Fith open there wer sections of 3 to 4 humps in the dark that were taken out after a couple of years.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Dukefan on August 05, 2008, 01:35:05 AM
I was just curious, can anyone tell me how many trains Fire in the Hole can run at once?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 05, 2008, 09:06:09 AM
Today they can run a maximum of 5 trains, they usually only run 4 trains at most.

When the trains get to close to each other the ride shuts down and with new laws of leaving loose items behind it takes people too long to put their loose items in the storage boxes. With 5 trains they have exactly 25 seconds to unload and load guests, so the ride is more than likely to shut down with 5 trains. I have heard in the past that they use to run 6 trains. Of course this was when they would let you carry anything with you on the ride.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: betamike on August 05, 2008, 10:34:13 AM
5 seems to be the magic number with a lot of coasters, it's the same here at Disney with Everest.  The dispatch intervals make the line a lot shorter but more option for a ride cascade.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: bradhig on August 05, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
Were the trains ever painted red?  I remember a commerical from the early 80s showing what I thought was FITH with a red train plunging down a drop with fog or mist around it.    Why were those laws about loose items passed anyway?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: betamike on August 05, 2008, 12:33:53 PM
I was tricked by that as well since I bought a post card from a visit to Branson with the trains featured on it being red..  It is actually footage from Blazing Fury from Dollywood.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 05, 2008, 01:15:13 PM
I'm surprised they don't try to affix fire hoses to the vehicle so we can shoot water at the fire.  We shoot at so many things on SDC attractions these days for some reason.  Thankfully this would be difficult to pull off on a coaster.

They could probably figure out a way to have firefighters shoot hoses from the scenes at the cars though.  I would just hate to see the focus be taken of the Bald Knobbers.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on August 05, 2008, 05:48:24 PM
Today they can run a maximum of 5 trains, they usually only run 4 trains at most.

When the trains get to close to each other the ride shuts down and with new laws of leaving loose items behind it takes people too long to put their loose items in the storage boxes. With 5 trains they have exactly 25 seconds to unload and load guests, so the ride is more than likely to shut down with 5 trains. I have heard in the past that they use to run 6 trains. Of course this was when they would let you carry anything with you on the ride.

Holy Moly! :o  25 seconds!  One of my favorite aspects of Fire In the Hole is the theming, especially with the Fire Chief.  I love it when the chief interacts with the riders, teasing and joking, etc.  With 25 seconds all the ride ops would be able to do is make sure people move it, move it, move it getting on and off the trains.  Seems like the only way they'd be able to do it in 25 seconds is by using a bull whip! ;)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: bradhig on August 05, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
Last week the line for Fire in The Hole was back by firemen's graveyard and I thought that was the result of Powder Keg breaking down.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 05, 2008, 08:41:50 PM
Yes the Blazing Furry has red cars; well today they are red with black smudges.

I forgot to mention when they were running 6 trains they had two dispatch zones. The lines one through six that exist today were accompanied by another line of one through six. The location of this dispatch zone was where the fireman’s office is today, directly to the left of the current dispatch zone. There were also no gates to separate riders from trains. This all made it possible to run 5 and 6 trains with no problems.

Why are there laws that say what can and can’t be brought on board the rides?
-Things fly and hit people. This hurts and causes rides to be down. Not to mention could seriously injure someone.
-Also, fire codes are stricter. What if FITH was on fire and you had to go in and evacuate 12 people out and they were all caring bags, back-packs, purses ect…? All hell would break loose and someone would probably die.

That is why people should just obey the posted rules. Make it easier on ride attendants.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Dukefan on August 06, 2008, 12:58:55 AM
I forgot to mention when they were running 6 trains they had two dispatch zones. The lines one through six that exist today were accompanied by another line of one through six. The location of this dispatch zone was where the fireman’s office is today, directly to the left of the current dispatch zone. There were also no gates to separate riders from trains. This all made it possible to run 5 and 6 trains with no problems.


This is all very interesting.

Do you know if Blazing Fury was initially set up like this as well?  There is a corner of the Blazing Fury station that has been boxed off into another room, I thought it might have been part of the loading platform to begin with.  You can see in this pic:

http://rcdb.com/ig501.htm?picture=2 (http://rcdb.com/ig501.htm?picture=2) 

(BF has 3 cars per train, but perhaps early on it had just 2 per train like FitH, hence there would have been enough room for a double dispatch station)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Old Guy on August 06, 2008, 07:13:18 AM
I remember The cars at FITH were red to begin with. Here is a shot from 1972
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skinnytie/2539102172/in/set-72157601729928940/
Don't remember when it changed though.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on August 09, 2008, 11:36:58 PM
Wait... FitH cars aren't red?

I know I'm getting Sometimer's Disease, what with having first visited SDC over 35 years ago, but if anyone had asked me, I'd have told them the cars were red.

I understand the reasoning behind banning loose or handheld items. In an ideal world, each person would be responsible for keeping up with their own stuff (and any damage it caused if they didn't), but this isn't Galt's Gulch. In today's world, if someone's $2,500 pro-sumer HD camcorder flies out and gets smashed on the ground, they'll sue SDC over it. And if it gets smashed over someone else's noggin,they'll both sue SDC. "Because that's where the money is", to borrow a quote from Willie Sutton.

The answer for visitors who wish to actually take responsibility for their own stuff, is cargo pockets. "Nope, nothing loose on me. It's just as secure as my wallet and car keys!"
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: SDCmassive on August 12, 2008, 09:49:23 PM
I remember when I was there in 16 years ago.  It is long time to remember but I do remember that Fire in the Hole and the ride should fast enough and see the building is burns flicking.  Right now, I recent went over there from last weekend is disappoint for me because I have told my friend about the history such as KKK historic, that place has burned that kind of example.  It is not there as today and I wonder what happen to fast, fire, and smoke.  Yes it has dip ride as fast but it is like I can run than the rider does.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
FitH has not changed speed; it is a dark story-telling ride, that includes roller coaster features.  And it is not about the KKK if that's what you are trying to say, but it does tell a pretty colorful part of Ozark history.

The Bald Knobbers were vigilantes, looking to punish offenders that the law was letting free.  The costumes were intended to frighten more than they were intended to hide identity.  In fact, the Bald Knobbers were pretty well known.  They would leave a bundle of sticks on a person's front porch as a warning that they would return if that person didn't get out or change.

The Bald Knobbers quickly got too big in their own minds and became out of control.  The governor's office was even asked to bring in the national guard at one point when the group officially disbanded.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: marolinesdad on August 23, 2008, 01:25:22 PM
While there this week I noticed some things not working.  Like when the window breaks after the gun shot.  Not long after I rode it 3 times it broke down and was down the rest of the night.  It was then down part of the next day.  I was told that they had to fix all of the cars.  On Wed they only had one car going.  It really made the line take a long time. 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 23, 2008, 01:47:44 PM
The ride is an older one and has to be constantly maintained. Yes, the gun shots are not working. It has been off and on all summer. The maintenance guys will be working on this soon. It is difficult to fix some things when the city is in seven day operation.


Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 23, 2008, 08:34:28 PM
I found this on the net too. Some wrong and confused information, but it is worth the look!

http://cneil.blogspot.com/2008/06/silver-dollar-city-fire-in-hole.html?showComment=1213333380000 (http://cneil.blogspot.com/2008/06/silver-dollar-city-fire-in-hole.html?showComment=1213333380000)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 23, 2008, 09:05:59 PM
Yes, I have seen this blog.  I especially liked how they dissed this forum in the last section.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: cneil on August 24, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
Hey,
I'm glad some of you appreciate my post on Fire in the Hole. 
I apologize if you perceive my closing comments as a "diss." There really was a cut-and-paste claim from wikipedia that I could not verify with my own memory, my friends, or other internet sources.  It could just be that my friends and I are under thirty.

If the ride was changed in 1982, that is way before my time.  I wouldn't have even been walking yet.

I'd love to update the article with more correct information.  Can anyone tell me what scenes were taken out of the ride? Better yet, are there pictures?

Cneil
http://cneil.blogspot.com
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 24, 2008, 02:20:38 AM
I am not old enough to remember either. I just happen to be acquainted with people who can tell me these things. I liked your article. I was excited to find it. There is only one other problem I had with it. The guy by the cabin is not dead he is getting water to put the fire out. There has been talk about fixing this scene up. The dummy does look like he is supposed to be dead, but nope. I sent Steve [SDCFans] some photos of the areas. They should be up when he can get to it.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: shavethewhales on August 24, 2008, 09:19:12 PM
Copper's photos are now up: http://www.sdcfans.com/gallery.php?u=25

Really interesting to see that some of the abandoned track has been there in front of us all along - I thought it was all walled off.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on August 24, 2008, 09:33:01 PM
^Those were some great pictues. Thanks Copper.

It looks kind of creepy with the lights on. But, it was cool to see some details you might've missed while riding. The track looks so worn down in some pictures. But that's what happens after 35+ years of operation, I guess.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on August 25, 2008, 02:16:54 PM
^^Strange to see it with the lights on.  Almost disorienting.  Great pictures, though!  Thanks, Copper! :)

It was good to see some behind the scenes shots of the starry night, etc.

I never realized until now just how many Baldknobbers are pointing guns at you as you ride by!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on August 25, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
Thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 25, 2008, 07:21:00 PM
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I apologize if you perceive my closing comments as a "diss."

"Diss" was the wrong word.  In fact, I'd like to see this site do individual attraction breakdowns like yours.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: shavethewhales on August 25, 2008, 07:35:31 PM
^I'm getting there. Once the site is fixed, I'm planning to bust out some better ride profiles, along with individual galleries for each ride. With all this info, the FITH entry should be pretty big.

I hear Blazing Fury at DW is undergoing extensive work - anything like that planned for FITH soon?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 25, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
I would really be impressed if they threw some money in the "hole".  Update the soundtrack with on-board surround sound.  Add animated Bald Knobbers.  But don't make it a shoot-out.



BTW, has anyone added any trivia about this picture's connection to FitH?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/MrHoggatt/Silver%20Dollar%20City/PheobeSnapp.jpg)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 25, 2008, 11:18:59 PM
The Snapp family has connection with the Baldknobbers. Snapp Bald has played an interesting part in Baldknobber history as well. Today I think the Snapp family is in the undertaking business.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 25, 2008, 11:24:49 PM
I meant to add this!

Fire in the Hole
© Silver Dollar City Attractions

Baldknobbers comin’, ridin’ fast, armed with rifles, wearin’ masks
Baldknobbers comin’ they’re drawin’ near, everyone’s heart is filled with fear
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole

Grab the children and don’t be slow, Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole
Grab your clothes and leave your home, Baldknobbers comin’ and it won’t be long
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole

Come here daughter, come here son, Baldknobbers comin’, everybody run
Grab your fiddle, forget your bow, no time now for cotton Eyed Joe
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole

Men and horses all over town, thundrin’ hooves that jar the ground
Woman and children weepin’ and cryin’, towns on fire, people are dyin’
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole

Flames and smoke are rollin’ high, Baldknobbers set this town on fire
It was peacful livin’, ‘twas our home town ‘til the Baldknobbers came and they burned it down
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole
Run boys run; don’t be slow, Baldknobbers comin’, there’s Fire in the Hole

Men and horses all over town, thunderin’ hooves that jar the ground
Ain’t no need for us hangin’ round, all our homes are ashes now
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole
Fire on the mountain, woe be woe, fire on the mountain, Fire in the Hole
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: cneil on August 26, 2008, 09:26:45 AM
That song is pretty cool.  Any music for the tune?

I've updated my posts and tried to correct the information.  I've also made a new post about the conversations that are going on in this forum.

I really hope that Copper doesn't mind that I used two of his pictures.  I included attribution and a link to his collection though.  (If you want me to take them down and just include the link, I will.)

Here's the new post:
http://cneil.blogspot.com/2008/08/fire-in-hole-update.html

Here's the updated old post:
http://cneil.blogspot.com/2008/06/silver-dollar-city-fire-in-hole.html
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on August 26, 2008, 11:54:33 AM
^This was posted earlier in the forums, but I can't find it.  I believe Old Guy posted this link originally (to give credit where credit is due).  Here's a short trailer from a movie called "Fire on the Mountain" about the Baldknobbers.  It has some of the Fire In the Hole song featured in it to give you an idea of the music for the tune.  Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcNue-mbp88 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcNue-mbp88)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on August 26, 2008, 02:30:52 PM
Please use the photos! I love dark rides and am happy to have a collection of my favorite dark ride available to everyone.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on August 26, 2008, 04:00:34 PM
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The Snapp family has connection with the Baldknobbers. Snapp Bald has played an interesting part in Baldknobber history as well. Today I think the Snapp family is in the undertaking business.

Yes, as I understand, the Snapp family was a victim of the Bald Knobbers (though I know nothing of this Snapp Bald you mention).  Phoebe was the wife or the daughter (I can't remember which.) of the Mr. Snapp who was killed.  I'll have to go back and look up the details, but you have to love that they used her name in the City in such a subtle way.  No one but a history buff (no pun intended) would even recognize the connection.  Does anyone know any others?

 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on August 26, 2008, 09:12:21 PM
I would really be impressed if they threw some money in the "hole".  Update the soundtrack with on-board surround sound.  Add animated Bald Knobbers.  But don't make it a shoot-out.

I'd love it if they updated the ride with surround sound and such. I don't think I'd like animated bald knobbers though. It'd be too big of a change to such a historical ride in the park. I would not be a happy camper if Fire in the Hole was turned into a shootout. 

That is interesting that there is a connection between the taffy shop and Fire in the Hole. Seems like such an odd connection to me. But, you gotta love the Herschend charm!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: marolinesdad on September 03, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
ok Copper.....   the kids and I will be back this weekend.  Is the gun shot working on FITH?  I have friends going with me that have never been to SDC before.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 03, 2008, 07:25:12 PM
Not until the seven day a week operation ceases. They have to replace a lot of wiring which would mean the ride would have to be closed for a couple of days. I would say next week they should be starting on the ride effects. It is a real bummer, I hate when things don’t work. The swinging saloon door and the stars above the burning cabin all need fixed too. We have our work cut out for us. I did however get the station music playing once again and there are people singing “There will be a hot time in the old town tonight” in the saloon once more. The saloon has been out for a long time. There will also be a little here and there themeing fixer uppers going on soon.



Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: marolinesdad on September 03, 2008, 07:44:51 PM
At least they are fixing things.  Some parks would just remove it.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 12, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
The stars are now fixed along with the gunshots on Main Street, breaking windows and leaking water tower. YAY!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on September 13, 2008, 07:55:23 PM
How many trains total does Fire in the hole have? 

I know our Blazing Fury has 4 total with 3 cars per train.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 16, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
Fire in the Hole has six trains with two cars to each train with a seating capacity of twelve per train. FITH can run five trains at one time.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: haytater on September 16, 2008, 09:36:32 PM
The room you go in after the first drop always looks like it's full of water. Is this just my imagination? How big is that room and what's in it?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 17, 2008, 12:02:41 AM
No it is not full of water. It is called the Baldknobber Camp and it is located on the third story of FITH. The location is up above the Burning Cabin, up on the left. It is a rather large room; you are not able to see just how large it is with the curtains lowered and the lights off. If you were to open the curtain behind the Baldknobbers you would be able to see the Burning Cabin and then below that the Waterfall that you pass when you first enter the ride.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: haytater on September 17, 2008, 12:28:05 AM
shoot, i meant the room after the LAST drop.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on September 17, 2008, 08:28:14 AM
I know on the blazing fury after the last drop it is a pretty good size room.  Very high ceilings.  There are also doors to go to mechanical areas too.  And there is alot of water!

But I can't say for sure for FITH.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 23, 2008, 08:05:47 PM
Same with FITH.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: haytater on September 23, 2008, 10:34:49 PM
why isn't there a bigger splash at the end?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on September 24, 2008, 03:43:27 PM
why isn't there a bigger splash at the end?

The splash didn't get anyone wet in my car last Saturday when I was there.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: shavethewhales on September 24, 2008, 06:45:33 PM
I don't think they want you to come of really wet. Remember, FITH is a year round attraction, and it's not really supposed to be a water ride. I think it has just the perfect splash: enough to slow the train down and provide a little thrill, but not enough to leave you shivering for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on September 24, 2008, 06:47:06 PM
This post from earlier in the thread might help answer your questions about the splash on FITH:
There are a couple different water effects to FITH. The splash is used as a break and that is what they use if it is cool outside. Then there is a water drop from the ceiling that usually gets everyone wet, at least a little. Then there is a spray type gun that mostly gets the left side of the car wet. This is only used when it is HOT outside, but many times they don't turn this one on.

Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: haytater on September 24, 2008, 07:33:59 PM
I'm not complaining, water rides are my least favorite. Just wondering why they didn't do it with FITH. Thanks!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on September 25, 2008, 11:53:41 AM
So the splash itself doesn't really get anyone very wet?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Coaster on September 25, 2008, 07:44:56 PM
^Depends on the day and the car you sit in, in my opinion. I've rode it on days where I wondered if there was no water in the room and I've rode it on other days when I came off soaked.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on September 26, 2008, 03:35:37 PM
Yeah, me too.  I wonder why that is?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on September 26, 2008, 06:01:10 PM
Is it possible to raise of lower the water level based on the outside temp?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Swoosh on September 26, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
It is possible to turn off the water jets that spray up during the summer.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on September 29, 2008, 12:24:55 AM
Swoosh is right. This time of year the water canons and sprinkler overheads are turned off. Yes, the lake is lowered to get the cars “less wet.” The lake can’t be empty because it is part of the breaking system.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on September 29, 2008, 11:42:48 AM
Thanks for your help guys!  I knew there was something to it!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 06, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
What exactly does the audio in the queque line say?  I know they are talking about brave firefighters and they play the "Fire in the hole" theme song. 

Also, Cooper.. Have you ever ridden the Blazing fury?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on October 07, 2008, 01:00:44 AM
Sad to say, but the script for what is said on the exterior of the ride no longer exists. I plan on recording it and deciphering it one day. I do know the guys conversations are about what is going on within the ride. It goes something like this...

They talk about Catfish Carson who is the guy trying to put out the fire that has engulfed his cabin. He also is the owner of a TNT shack.

They talk about a lady who plays the organ at the funeral parlor and that they had to bust in and get her out.

A prisoner in the jail who ended up saving the warden.

Red Flanders escaping from the hotel.

One of the hottest fires they have ever known was in Mutton Hollow back in the eighteen eighties and they argue over dates.

The quartet inside the blazing saloon still belting out songs. They sing It’s a Hot Time in the Old Town Tonight.


A guy at SDC had to listen to the theme song over and over again to decipher what is said during that. No one on park, that we can find even Jack Herschend remembers who recorded the song.

Yes, about four years ago I rode the Blazing Furry, loved the ride. Hope to get back to Dollywood soon.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on October 07, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
I guess I'll have to listen more carefully on the next trip.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 07, 2008, 08:05:30 PM
I know they have a conversation audio outside of Blazing fury but the sound is SO bad it is almost impossible to understand it.  I do know the part that says:

come here Daughter, Come here son. Baldknobbers comin everybody run.

Grab your fiddle forget your bow.  No time now for playin cotton eyed joe.

AND IT REALLY SAYS BALDKNOBBERS OUTSIDE OF BLAZING FURY!! lol
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on October 07, 2008, 08:17:19 PM
I posted the song lirics here.

http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=220.75 (http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=220.75)


Funny that the Blazing Furry says Baldknobbers. Does the Fury’s theme have anything to do with vigilantes burning the town down?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 07, 2008, 08:26:38 PM
This hurts me to say this... lol

But the story line is kind of messed up.

There is actually no real story line.  There is not real reason for the fire to start.

People just make up the story while they go. (if you know what i mean)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on October 07, 2008, 09:48:37 PM
Sad to say, but the script for what is said on the exterior of the ride no longer exists. I plan on recording it and deciphering it one day. I do know the guys conversations are about what is going on within the ride. It goes something like this...

They talk about Catfish Carson who is the guy trying to put out the fire that has engulfed his cabin. He also is the owner of a TNT shack.

They talk about a lady who plays the organ at the funeral parlor and that they had to bust in and get her out.

A prisoner in the jail who ended up saving the warden.

Red Flanders escaping from the hotel.

One of the hottest fires they have ever known was in Mutton Hollow back in the eighteen eighties and they argue over dates.

The quartet inside the blazing saloon still belting out songs. They sing It’s a Hot Time in the Old Town Tonight.


A guy at SDC had to listen to the theme song over and over again to decipher what is said during that. No one on park, that we can find even Jack Herschend remembers who recorded the song.

Yes, about four years ago I rode the Blazing Furry, loved the ride. Hope to get back to Dollywood soon.


Thanks Copper!  Some of this I've picked up on over the years, some I haven't.  I'll have to listen more closely the next time I ride FitH.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on October 16, 2008, 07:12:13 PM
Ok, I have been asking around about what use to fill the missing sections of the ride and have found a few things out. I got to look through FITH’s blueprints that were dated 1971. The name at that time for FITH was the Devil’s Den. Funny; I never knew that that was going to be the name of the ride. That is Marvel Cave’s original cave.

Old Guy and Baldknobber were right after the first dip you would turn right past a mini volcano and then your train traveled through a cave with Baldknobbers hiding out in it. After leaving the cave your train would turn right, you were then looking over the edge of a cliff above the burning cabin the tracks ahead looked like they were broken and that you were going to fall, just then the train would take a sharp right and then turn left into the train tunnel.

Also in front of the burning bridge the waterfall too was suppose to be a volcano. Look close at it and you could see that if they changed the green lights to red it would look like one. I don’t know what volcanoes have to do with a Ozark’s town, but they were on the blueprints.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 16, 2008, 09:05:29 PM
Thats amazing!

A volano in Fire in the hole...lol

Baldknobbers coming riding fast... blazing lava exploding fast!! lol
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on October 16, 2008, 10:26:28 PM
^^I'd like to ask the designer about the volcanoes.  Interesting.  I'd also like to ask them about why they chose Devil's Den (besides the Marvel Cave connection).
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on October 17, 2008, 12:15:53 PM
When were those sections taken out of the ride?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on October 17, 2008, 12:28:31 PM
^Sometime in the early 80's.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 17, 2008, 07:22:10 PM
FITH and BF have such a wonderful history!

Do you think Silver Dollar city will ever release the FITH theme song to the public?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on October 18, 2008, 05:59:31 PM
Those blueprints would be great to see.  That's the kind of stuff that could go into a special exhibit for the 50th anniversary of the park.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 18, 2008, 08:21:09 PM
It would be amazing to see Concept art (like the onces for flooded mine) for the Fire in The Hole!

Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on October 18, 2008, 10:18:22 PM
...dated 1971. The name at that time for FITH was the Devil’s Den. Funny; I never knew that that was going to be the name of the ride. That is Marvel Cave’s original cave.

It's also the name of a popular state park (http://arkansasstateparks.com/devilsden/) in nearby Washington County, Arkansas.


Quote
Old Guy and Baldknobber were right after the first dip you would turn right past a mini volcano and then your train traveled through a cave with Baldknobbers hiding out in it. After leaving the cave your train would turn right, you were then looking over the edge of a cliff above the burning cabin the tracks ahead looked like they were broken and that you were going to fall, just then the train would take a sharp right and then turn left into the train tunnel.

What about the darkened scene where nothing was happening, except you could look across the chasm and see the mangled tracks and burning bridge? This was a preview to what was coming up, setting up the "OMG, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!" theme of almost plunging into the abyss, except the train veered onto a side track at the last moment.

As a kid, I never caught the incongruity of the volcano, but I certainly remember it being there 30 years ago, complete with the sound of bubbling lava on the audio.

Kevin
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Hatfield McCoy on October 19, 2008, 09:44:47 AM
That turn from the mangled tracks was really great when I was a kid, especially from the front seat. 

On a seperate note, it may have already been discussed somewhere, but I wonder if SDC has ever considered returning the Fire in the Hole to it's original glory.  It would be great pr now that the riverblast is being delayed.  Since the tracks are still there it seems as though it wouldn't be really costly, and would really spark interest from SDC's base of longtime patrons who would like to ride the old ride again.   

It would really fill a need in the park's 50'th anniversary celebration, and could be paired with some of the previously mentioned "reunion" shows.  Together I think the two might be a marketing coup in a lean investment year.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on October 19, 2008, 07:07:15 PM
It would be amazing if some photos turned up showing the old scene in its full, working glory!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on October 20, 2008, 12:24:23 PM
^Sometime in the early 80's.

Hmmm.  I guess I would have either been too young to ride it, or too young to remember it depending on the year.  I could have sworn I remember something different about it, but perhaps not.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Barreloflaughs on October 25, 2008, 01:19:10 PM
I think it's funny how there's a whole FITH theme song, but you can only hear certain parts and NEVER the whole thing. Right at the turn of one dark corner you hear some words I can never quite decide on and then, "Fire on the mountain, fire in the hole!" Will someone who works there please get a recording of it? What's the recording on now, a really old tape or what?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on November 14, 2008, 09:08:11 PM
I posted the lyrics on here some time ago. As for the audio, its on a sound card.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Fury Fire Chief on December 09, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Does anybody know if Fire in the hole will have a car in the Rollercoaster Museum?

Blazing Fury has a car going into it.

Dollywood ride coasting into museum...

PIGEON FORGE -- If 25 years is the time frame by which automobiles are classified as antique, why not the cars from roller coasters?

And if so, what better place to house a 30-year-old roller coaster car than the National Roller Coaster Museum and Archive in Pennsylvania?

That is where one of the cars of Dollywood's Blazing Fury indoor roller coaster is headed. The museum, which is still under construction, will be home to hundreds of pieces of amusement park memorabilia, including the original No. 1 car from Blazing Fury.

Pete Owens, public relations manager for the park, said the timing for the donation to the museum worked well as Blazing Fury was being updated and cleaned, and improvements were being made to the chassis system. But they were lucky, too, because the request almost came too late.

"The chassis was supposed to have been destroyed," said Barry Stiltner, maintenance manager at Dollywood. "I called the shop in Knoxville and they had not picked it up, so that was lucky."

The rescued chassis was taken over by Randy Crum and Don Turner, who spent three weeks getting the car ready for the museum.

The Fiberglas seats were refurbished and repainted with the orange Blazing Fury paint and the ride's decal added to the front.

The seats were anchored to a piece of plywood, also painted orange, under which the chassis was placed on top of a set of rails.

Stiltner said the men working on the car had no trouble remembering how to get it back to its original condition.

"These guys have been here for 22 years, so they actually worked on it," he said. "They went back to the same process to make it as close to original as we could."

So what's so interesting about a roller coaster that it earns a place in a museum?

As Owens and Stiltner explained, it is powered similar to the subway, using a third-rail system with some power generation along with natural gravity.

"You can actually feel it speed up," Owens said of the coaster and riders who sit in the cars where the power system is housed. The breaking system was also a unique design, with the water feature that makes the ride so popular also acting as the brakes.

But there are other aspects that make Blazing Fury a unique experience for riders.

"I kind of looked up the history of the Blazing Fury, and it's unique where it's an indoor roller coaster and a dark ride, which makes it really more unique," Stiltner said.

The National Roller Coaster Museum and Archives is located in Kulpsville, Penn. According to National Roller Coaster Museum and Archives, it will be the first facility of its kind in the world. It will display "historical and entertaining roller coaster exhibits, photographs, models, actual rolling stock and other memorabilia."
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on December 09, 2008, 11:57:24 PM
^That's cool.  FitH should definitely be represented too.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: SteamFreak on April 08, 2009, 08:23:06 AM
Alright I've got one, after the first dip when you go up the hill it seems like the front wheels acually jump the track and come back down I only notice this in the front car, maybe it's just the suspension system?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: orient express on April 08, 2009, 09:58:15 AM
yea ive noticed this two...seems like its only done this over the last couple of years....my wife and i always ride in the front car
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: tinmann620 on April 08, 2009, 10:14:31 AM
Same here, I noticed it more this year, but I'm not complaining!  However, I wish they'd slow the ride back down, even in the last car, the wife's lines at the hotel scene are NOT finished until you're well passed it.  Newbies miss out on the humor...
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: orient express on April 08, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
agreed!...plus the slower it is the more we can enjoi everything
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: marolinesdad on April 08, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
Does the ride slow down?  I don't think they have that kind of control.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saladdays on April 09, 2009, 11:22:31 AM
I've always thought the ride went a bit too fast to take all the scenery in. Going on it enough allows you to experience everything, but to point it out to newcomers becomes difficult.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: saloongal on April 24, 2009, 09:29:16 AM
I have wonderful memories of FITH.  One year during the fall craft festival (there were almost no kids around) my sister and I stayed on the ride for dozens of rounds, nonstop.  It was wonderful!

But I am now questioning whether it will be traumatic for my daughter.  She is not quite 3.  Tall enough to ride but I am afrad that it might be scary. 

And then is it better to make that her first ride of the day, or should we go hit the exposition (and ride the frogs for the millionth time) to ease into the day? 

What would you do? 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: sdcforever on April 24, 2009, 01:10:06 PM
I have wonderful memories of FITH.  One year during the fall craft festival (there were almost no kids around) my sister and I stayed on the ride for dozens of rounds, nonstop.  It was wonderful!

But I am now questioning whether it will be traumatic for my daughter.  She is not quite 3.  Tall enough to ride but I am afrad that it might be scary. 

And then is it better to make that her first ride of the day, or should we go hit the exposition (and ride the frogs for the millionth time) to ease into the day? 

What would you do? 

I would ease into the day.  And I don't think she'd be too scared, unless fire scares her.  More than likely she'd be trying to take it all in--there's so much to see on FiTH!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: marolinesdad on April 24, 2009, 04:39:51 PM
My daughter rode it for the first time @ 2...   Now she is 5 and her sister is 3 and it is there favorite ride.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on April 24, 2009, 06:37:22 PM
I used to bribe my daughter by telling her she could ride "my" ride (FitH) and then we could ride hers (Becky's Carousel).  Now I have to use the Happy Frogs.  She is afraid of the fire, but says she is willing to ride FitH at Christmas.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on April 25, 2009, 01:59:03 AM
In 1982 things changed for FITH, it is a little faster. Unfortunately there is no way we will ever slow it down. Yes, you do miss Red’s finale words and I understand you are not able to see everything, but that’s what makes riding again worth while. When I was young you could ride it over and over again, things have changed and now you have to exit and enter again. 

The front does that. That is why I like rows 4-6!!!! 
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on April 25, 2009, 11:26:50 AM
That's kind of a paradox.  The back is really faster from a physics point of view, but that's where you want to sit to get to hear more of the lines.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Copper on April 27, 2009, 11:18:32 PM
I hate the front because it takes forever to go down the hills. I feel like I am waiting forever for the back to fall. Everyone runs to the first three lines not knowing how much more fun they would have if they road in the back. Plus the train light always looks like it is going to hit you when you ride in the back.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on May 01, 2009, 04:43:28 PM
Quote
train light

Maybe SteamFreak knows:  it train light a smaller, more slimming train?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: SteamFreak on May 01, 2009, 04:55:51 PM
Yup, its what you achieve on the "nutristeam" program
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: themeparkguy on May 01, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Here, here for the back- I find it is also a little wetter back there.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: RollaJedi on August 04, 2009, 12:12:50 PM
any chance at all you could show us pics of the blueprints?  thanks!  VERY interesting stuff.  i just spent like 1 1/2 hours reading this area.  :)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 19, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
i know this is super old but i got to looking through some of the links on this post and thought that swoosh would enjoy this (if he hasnt allready seen it)

 "Yes there is a section of the ride that has been removed, it happened in 82’. “Well that is incorrect. Once again proof that you cannot believe anything that is on wikipedia. The train has always turned left right after the burning bridge scene to go past the hold-up scene of the wagon into the railway tunnel. The three drops are boom-boom-boom.” This was posted by a guy who goes by Swoosh in many different forums. The guy is an idiot and always makes claims and ends up being wrong. He also likes to tell people he has inside connections to everything. The guy needs help"

Just wondering if you ever "got help" swoosh :-) jk
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: okiebluegrass on September 16, 2010, 02:46:43 PM
I was doing a little research on the Baldknobbers and happened to run across this article from the NY times from Dec 11, 1886. You may have to read it a line at a time, I thought it was really cool

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60C1EFF385B10738DDDA80994DA415B8684F0D3
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: KBCraig on September 18, 2010, 06:27:12 PM
Great find, Okie!
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: psychosaw13 on December 26, 2014, 06:39:49 PM
Well besides wanting to bring this thread back to the surface (because its a good one).
What are Red Flanders final words????  I've always wondered & I'm sure its been answered before somewhere on here.
Btw has anyone noticed that the first Baldknobber shooting the window, his rifle is falling apart!
If I worked that ride I would at least change it out with another replica rifle. For goodness sake its not that hard, are employees/citizens not allowed to inspect the scenery or tell Maintenance ?
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on December 26, 2014, 06:55:55 PM
"I cain't.  The dern Bald Knobbers took 'em."
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: psychosaw13 on December 26, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
Mrs. Flanders: Red Flanders you git back in here & put on yer pants!
Red Flanders: I caint I aint got no pants no more the dang Baldknobbers stole'em (?)
Mrs. Flanders: Stole'em? what in sam hell would they want with yer pants?           (?)
Red Flanders: .....(Cant hear final words)
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: tiffanylynnt on December 26, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
"Maybe it's the gold in mg back pocket!"
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: psychosaw13 on December 26, 2014, 09:08:22 PM
Wow thank you! that sounds right! We just cant quite hear it & Then "Here's a barrel of laughs Baldknobber starts talking.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: History Buff on December 26, 2014, 10:31:50 PM
I never have heard all of that, but we always seem to be in the front.  BTW, the phrase is "sam hill" (not hell), which is roughly a euphemism for "Satan's Hell".
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: How-doFolks on December 27, 2014, 05:37:12 AM
i have a Red Rider BB gun i would donate to replace the ol' rifle that is falling apart....  :D

psychosaw13 -- i'd do the same thing, i'd spend my own $$$$ & have it replaced.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: tomservo6 on April 05, 2015, 02:28:44 PM
Are the photos posted of the behind-the-scenes FitH still available somewhere, as well as a lot of the other photos posted before the site redesign? All of the links to the in the forums are now dead.
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: Preachin_Bill on April 06, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
Do they still play the fireman's conversation outside FITH?  Seems like I can't hear it anymore...maybe it's just turned down or I'm not paying attention?  ???
Also, is there still a place to download the theme song?  would like to have it for the road trip down this year  ;D
Title: Re: fire in the hole question
Post by: W.P. Warburton on April 06, 2015, 05:14:01 PM
It was playing last weekend, pretty loudly Sunday. I have the theme song on my facebook page I will post link below.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnIltx_fMs&feature=youtu.be