SDCFans - The Unofficial Fan Site For Silver Dollar City
Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => General Silver Dollar City Talk => Topic started by: Andymeets1880s on January 07, 2011, 11:57:16 AM
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Ok, folks...thought I would throw this out just for fun. Some time back, I started a thread that asked you to name the top ten things you would do and in what order if you could visit SDC one last and final time. There were some interesting entries.
So now it's time for a "smackdown", a one on one, a "classic" of the classics!
You can answer this one of two ways...
One is..you have to cut the ride budget at SDC and remove either Flooded Mine or FITH!! *Gasp* Which one do you take out??
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Like the above mentioned thread, you can only ride ONE of the two for the last and final time! Which one do you ride??
This thread should bare some good sparring! >:( :o :'( :-\
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Bye bye flooded mine. I love ya, but FITH is a classic. The guns have already cheapened the mine ride. It's no longer the classic that it once was
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The guns have already cheapened the mine ride. It's no longer the classic that it once was
I respectfully disagree. I think the guns have added to the experience of the flooded mine, and made it more engaging. However, that's a topic for debate in another forum I suppose. :P
With that being said, I would pick Fire in the Hole without question! The Flooded Mine is a great ride, but that's about all that it is. Fire in the Hole on the other hand, was built on actual Ozark history! In a way, Fire in the Hole tells the story about how the citizens if the 1880's had to deal with the Baldknobbers' tirade through the city. The Flooded Mine is simply generic inmates singing about breaking out of jail. :)
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I remember riding on the stagecoach in what had to be the summer of 1971. We stopped in the road and the driver pointed off to the right and said "this is going to be our new attraction, Fire In The Hole". As I remember it was just a bull dozed area with a lot of rocks and red clay dirt. I think I remember that because of how popular the ride soon became and still is. It was the first ride that I remember having to wait for such a long period of time to ride. Also, it seems of all the rides and attractions at SDC it best connects the old SDC with the SDC of today. With that being said I would have to pick FITH over the FM.
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I would ride the Flooded Mine. Not that I do not enjoy FITH, but I have more memories of the slow meandering dark ride-pre shootout, the candy mine etc, and the fun memories of my teenage years with the shootout. Though it does distract from the scenes/ storyline, I still think about battling it out with my Dad on the guns. It makes me smile just thinking about how many times he whooped me, and being a great Dad, thinking of the times I won and wondering if it really was me that won, or was it a Dad making his son feel like a success.
I think it was me that beat him!
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My two cents is this.... I would have to take out FM too. I am a firm believer in classic things and I am a very sentimental person. It would tear me up to do it because I have childhood memories of FM as well. But the guns kinda soured it for me too. But, I agree wholeheartedly with a quote from someone in another thread (forgive me, whoever you are if you read this) that the FM is a perfect place to go to ride something and rest the feet.
I do hope that FM and FITH get some much needed and deserved makeovers. Nothing big or not to change it. But to spruce it up, make it a touch more lifelike and put a little more effort into the whole presentation.
Hey! Maybe "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" can do the home of a Branson family and someone can nudge them into sprucing up FM! :o :o ::) ::) :D :D Can't you hear it now? "Goooooood Morning, Silver Dollar City!"
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Andy, your question is the same as asking a parent which child they would keep, and which child they would get rid of. It's just not a fair circumstance! :D
Make it an easier question like which would we keep, The Flooded Mine, or the leap frog ride in the Grand Exposition? ;)
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Since there is little to no footprint taken up by Flooded Mine and the fact that FITH is landlocked too due to a service road, you won't gain much by removing either so your question is null and voided. ;D
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I'd definitely ride FITH. I loved FM back when they had the projected faces and animatronics and the avalanche. I hate the guns.
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I love them both but if I could ride only one it would be FITH.
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Wow, this is interesting! So far the score is five to one, with Fire in the Hole taking the lead. The irony is, if they were to combine the Flooded Mine into Fire in the Hole, they would finally have enough water to extinguish that blasted fire. :D
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^^ Ozark's on the ball! :D But that idea is in a perfect world, isnt it?! :D
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FM is over 5 min vs FITH under 3 min....Just Saying!
With that Logic it HAS to be better right....Right?
Dang...I didn't think so
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The Flooded Mine is the perfect place to slow down, and relax after a hard morning of riding Fire in the Hole over, and over. ;)
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Hey! Maybe "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" can do the home of a Branson family and someone can nudge them into sprucing up FM! Can't you hear it now? "Goooooood Morning, Silver Dollar City!"
I could hear it now..."Driver, Move That Wagon!!!!!"
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One thing that I wish is that FitH was a little more historically accurate. The town was actually burned after Lynch bought the cave, because the baldknobbers did not want outsiders turning it into a tourist attraction. I guess that story wouldn't sell.
The mural says 1870s but the actual fire would have been in the 1890s if my research is correct. Anybody got any incite into this?
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I am unsure if the original concept held more closely to the true story-using the ideas of Marvel Cave , and the reference The Devil’s Den. I think that the volcanoes, and geysers would have been a stretch though. I also believe that, like the FM, they both take their own liberties at the true stories of the Ozarks...Even though Silver was supposedly mined in the Ozarks, to my knowledge prisoners weren't used in the process...
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/Picture007-1.jpg)
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Holy lookout tower Batman! :o
I have never seen that before (that is an everyday comment thanks to Rube). ;)
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Just a little note: the little building you pass (pictured above) each time you enter the Flooded Mine is the "hut" that the prisoners used in the old, old days to punch your ticket in the late 60's to mid 70's prior to the implementation of the passport ticket which allowed you to enter and experience all the attractions on the park for one price. The mill at the AP (formerly float trip) was another little building visitors passed through to get their ticket punched. The little hut at Grandfather's Mansion was removed about '79 or '80. The gift shop at the train depot used to be the stationmaster's office where tickets were punched at the window. The old treehouse...look at some shots posted on the site of the "tree trunk," a little window was there prior to going up the base of the stairs in the tree, another place an employee was stationed to punch your ticket. Those places are what's left of the old, old days at SDC.
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Oh, the story I read somewhere about the burning of the old town of Maramos by the Baldknobbers was just hogwash. It is a great, romantic story, but with little or no basis in fact. Baldknobbers disbanded by the time the little town burned. Likely locals burned the abandoned buildings because they didn't want a "furriner" from Canada having success at the cave. Lynch originally from the Great White North! The whole thing is wrapped up in local folklore and has little historical truth to it, but it was a great little story to loosely base a ride at a theme park on. Just like the diving bell treasure of silver is loosely based on the Yoakum silver dollar minting story of regional folklore. Yoakum's had a "silver mine" at the junction of the James and White Rivers in Stone County at present day Cape Fair given to them by friendly Indians...Although the guy who ran the Lost Silver Mine play in the early 1980s at the site of the present Wal Mart at Branson West claimed the lost mine was located on that property. So, local history and folklore are a bit mixed up with the true treasure of the area "milking them silly tourists of all their dollars!" ;)
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Alright even though I am biased, here is an interior queue/ boarding shot of FITH from the same trip as the above FM shot. Not great, but it shows the worker at the controls.
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/FITHqueue-1.jpg)
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I guess I'll use my ticket from 1971 and ride the FM by myself.
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/FloodedMineTicket-2.jpg)
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Ohh, and I'll be wearing my hat. Did FITH make hats?
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/hat.jpg)
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rube! SWEETT!!!! ;D ;D
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DANG !! :o
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FitH without a doubt.
BTW, isn't FM built on a hill? Seems strange for a flood to be on the higher ground. The fire should reach the water eventually.
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BTW, isn't FM built on a hill? Seems strange for a flood to be on the higher ground. The fire should reach the water eventually.
It's built on one of those hills that goes up in both directions. :P
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SWEET a ride all to myself!!!
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/floodedmineentrance2.jpg)
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Well Rube, you are definitely spot on! If everyone else chooses to ride Fire in the Hole, then you truly will be able to ride the Flooded Mine all by yourself. ;D
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I would love to ride it on my own...You never know, I might go missin' and you'll find me a few years down the road hard at work in the flooded silver mine! I am not a big fan of the guns which is the only reason I would jump ship to go to the FITH side, but I haven't defected yet...I prefer the original shootout at Silver Dollar City. It was much better, back in 85' when we helped defeat the,....wait what were we defeating? I think it was a feud on the square that we all got roped into...
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/originalshootout1985.jpg)
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Is there Flooded Mine hats at SDC? Man...I need to do some serious shopping next time I am there! It's scary what one might do if they had a wad of money to blow on just merchandise! Imagine if someone gave you say $500 and told you you could spend it on merchandise only! :o
Whoo Boy! Let the madness begin! :o
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The only hats I know of are the ones like mine from the 1984-85 season. I have seen several different shirts over the years "Property of The Flooded Mine" etc, but not too many hats.Maybe someone else on here has though.
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So you all sure you don't wanna ride with me? ANYONE?
Here is very early 80's, lovg before the guns, and the covered portion outside when returning to the boarding location.
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/floodedmine-1.jpg)
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Wow, the water looks so clean and blue!
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Heaven forbid you get wet now-a-days.. Or it scares the kids.. That was part of the fun! Like Ozark said on another topic - " we all now live very padded lives." ::)
Oh yeah, Flood'd Mine VS FITH? Neither, i would have a sit down protest. :D
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I often wondered why they covered that open area up? What's the real scoop?
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I quite enjoyed as a kid riding through that area and hearing "FIRE" then bubbles would emerge, eventually erupting water, and if we were lucky we would get a bit of a spray.
I think the cover was an attempt to have a ride that was almost fully enclosed, to allow for somewhere to go and ride during any hot or rainy weather...
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I always thought it was the heat of the sun that made them cover it - no one cared about getting wet. However there should be spray coming from the sides (spray that turns off as the ore car exits the mine), and I don't think it has been working of late.
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Hey Rube! Hold that boat! I'll jump on with ya!
That's a great pic! That water is so clear!
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The spray does work when you leave the mine.. They do turn it off during an old time Christmas but it is on the rest of the year.
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I had another remembrance of FM. Wasn't there a voice that yelled "Landslide" or "Rockslide! Look out beloooooow!"
Can I get a confirmation here?! ???
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Yes! Just before leaving the mine for that last leg outside then to the loading dock...there was a "rockslide" in the big wooden tower. The voice would yell "rockslide" and a bunch of foam rubber rocks would fall as a strobe light flickered as a sound effect of crashing rocks went off. The rocks then hit a netting just above your head. It was a nice little thrill. This was in the period of the late 70s through mid or late 80s. It seemed like for us guys working there it was always breaking down. Maintenance had to fix it all the time.
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How did the "rocks" reset between rides? I remember it only from below, and could not figure out how it would have worked. I believe there was a net hanging above that would catch the rocks right?
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The net caught the foam rocks, but I'm not sure how they were recycled. I only remember the gag broke down a lot. My maintenance guy at the diving bell, Kerry Chester, came up with an innovative way of fixing much of the problem, but it still broke down from time to time.
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I was just curious. I enjoyed that area more than the current space. The only thing I enjoy about the area is the lack of targets and shooting sounds!
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It was much better than the laser-eyed zombie ghosts that were there for a while. Whose off-base idea was that, and what did it have to do with anything???
It's nice to see the prison guard sleeping in the area now. Who would think a prisoner would try to escape through the tower?
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Yes, those ghost did not make ANY since AT ALL.
That is the way it was for most of my childhood. It use to scare me when I was a kid.
It's funny, one day, it just hit me when I was looking up there: "wait, what in the heck does that have to do with a flooded mine!?!"
I wish I could have seen the 'falling rocks' part of the ride. It is, however, driving me crazy how the rocks reset themselves between rides.
So, after all this, I think it is safe to say I would pick "The Great Shootout At The Flooded Mine" over "Fire In The Hole." I seem to be obsesed with the ride, rather it be a Candy Mine, Flooded Mine, Great Shootout, or in some cases a Ghost Mine.
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A companion on my journey! Glad to see that I won't be alone...besides, everyone else will be waiting in line over at FITH!
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^The lines move pretty quickly at FitH.
^^Maybe the ghosts are the ones who reset the rocks! Do you think the net that caught the rocks also elevated them to the top? Was there magnetism involved? Could it have been a giant build-up of static electricity? I hope I'm not giving Andy any ideas for a new Top Ten List here.
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OH NO!! not another infamous "Ten List"!! lol ;D
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Think he'll take the bait?
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most definitely ;D ;D ;D
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I would say the net reset the rocks. I have my ideas as to how it could be engineered. I cannot remember fully the effect, I think the rocks were dropped several at a time, not all at once. Possibly a net would raise them, and then drop-to be caught by the lower net (2 nets in place 1 to hold the rocks, 1 to stop it all from falling into the water-the second being stationary), only for the net to be raised again...etc etc...a two net system perhaps-Sorry no top 10 for me...This or the prisoners moved the rocks between each ride to reconstruct the wall only to have it crumble again.....in perpetuity
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*Sniff*...... >:( Hmmm.....I dare say...it sounds like I have been challenged! *clears throat* The guantlet has been thrown down! I have been smacked in the face by the velvet glove! (Like the dramatics here, folks?!)
Top Ten Ways the FM Rocks Got Back to the Top of FM
10. Ok, everyone....I am blowing his cover.....Rube is actually a Jedi knight! With closed eyes and a lifting of his hand, the rocks slowly rose back into their place.
9. A little unknown magician named David Copperfield practiced his magic on them before he became famous.
8. Red Green built a device for SDC consisting of pulleys, duct tape, chains, hydraulics, rope, magnets, an ironing board, two bicycle tires and a bumper sticker. But you'd have to ask him how it worked.
7. Know why SDC didnt have a lot of money to spiff up FM? Well....that giant vacuum you didnt see was VERY expensive!
6. It's a SDC Top Secret secret! If you really knew how it happened.....it would change life as we know it! Time would stop, cities would crumble, people would flee in terror! *Andy shudders thinking about it*
5. Oswald did it. By himself. He acted alone. At least......that's what the SDC Commission wants you to think!
4. Now.... you finally know what Santa's elves did in the offseason!
3. Dr. Phil gave them a good talking to! He let the boulders know that they had to stop depending on others to make them get up. They had to want it. They had to just accept the fact that lying there was an issue for them and he's not ok with that. They had to help THEMSELVES!
2. Steve Wilkos yelled at them to GET OFF HIS NET!
And the Number One way the FM rocks got back to the top of FM.................
Junior had a secret staircase and got extra pay to retrieve them and take them back to the top again and again!
Hah! Didnt think I would do it, did ya'?!?! Well, I showed you all, I did! I....uh......hmmm.....I wonder if I was tricked into this!
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Best list ever! I literelly laughed out loud on some of these!
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Very well done, Andy. I knew you'd bite
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Thank you, thank you. That wasnt easy. Kinda hard to figure out ten ways for the boulders to get back up there. The "Junior" line and "Red Green" line came pretty quick, but the rest were hard. My favorite is number five (Oswald). I almost threw in "He did it from the rocky knoll" but I figured it might be too much.
I am very happy to know you all get such a bang out my top tens. What started as a larf kinda grew popular. Glad to know everyone (or most of you) enjoy them!
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Obviously # 10 was good, but I laughed out loud at #5
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Perhaps Timothy Turnbuckle actually "unfalls" the rocks by sending them back to a previous moment in time when they were lodged in the top of the tower. BTW, why would the rocks be in the tower in the first place???
Or maybe the rocks are biodegradable and disintegrate upon each drop. They used new rocks for each drop.
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Anyone ever ride more than once in sequence? Maybe the rocks only fell once a day and all of us just happened to ride that ONE time at the perfect time of day! :D
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one thing i keep reading in this thread is about the "tower" but i am pretty sure that it is sup to be a shaft to the surface and they had to make it look like a tower from the outside to hide it. So that would explain y the prisoners are climbing it and y there were rocks falling down from it also.
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^But it looks like the structure on the top of every mine I ever saw in the Rockies.
^^It could be that those were actually pieces of the ceiling falling, and they finally had to fix it. The net was just a temporary fix.
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To be fair, I will share an exterior shot of FITH from 82' since most people want to ride that one. Much LIke FM, The exterior has undergone little change in the last 30 yrs.
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/FITH-2.jpg)
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Much LIke FM, The exterior has undergone little change in the last 30 yrs.
Hello, just found this wonderful site and am trying to catch up on past posts. I was searching the Flooded Mine messages for an answer to a nagging question about why/when the exterior of the FM has changed so much. First, some context... My first visit to SDC as a child was the year before FITH was opened (1970?) and the family returned each summer for several years through at least 1977. Sadly I didn't return until my honeymoon in 1992 and have since been back several times with my own children.
Back in the 70's, the FM exterior resembled a stoney hill top with a sole wooden tower which pumped running water into a long wooden sluice. I cannot find my honeymoon pics, but in all my pics with my kids, the FM exterior now looks more like a man-made structure made up a collection of buildings and ventilation pipes. I've always wondered when and why the change took place.
And, for the record, I'll pick the FM over FITH :)
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I have a few then and now FM pics if I can get to them today
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Here is an old photo of the "hill" and showing the buildings built up around
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/2013-08-21T09-07-07_1_zps33ecb5d8.jpg)
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Great Pictures as always Rube.
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Thanks that is 1978 and 2013. I have one more from this ride and a few other then and now photos.
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Some of the structure (not sure which, in that picture) was built for the avalanche/cave-in.
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Here is another from my last trip:
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/2013-08-21T09-07-07_0_zps24c0d735.jpg)
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Here is another from my last trip:
(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/rubedugans/2013-08-21T09-07-07_0_zps24c0d735.jpg)
The tall tower on the left is for the foam rockslide, right?
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Yep the big wooden structure .
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Oh, the story I read somewhere about the burning of the old town of Maramos by the Baldknobbers was just hogwash. It is a great, romantic story, but with little or no basis in fact. Baldknobbers disbanded by the time the little town burned. Likely locals burned the abandoned buildings because they didn't want a "furriner" from Canada having success at the cave. Lynch originally from the Great White North! The whole thing is wrapped up in local folklore and has little historical truth to it, but it was a great little story to loosely base a ride at a theme park on. Just like the diving bell treasure of silver is loosely based on the Yoakum silver dollar minting story of regional folklore. Yoakum's had a "silver mine" at the junction of the James and White Rivers in Stone County at present day Cape Fair given to them by friendly Indians...Although the guy who ran the Lost Silver Mine play in the early 1980s at the site of the present Wal Mart at Branson West claimed the lost mine was located on that property. So, local history and folklore are a bit mixed up with the true treasure of the area "milking them silly tourists of all their dollars!" ;)
The Yocum Silver Dollar story was "de-mythologized" by historian and MO state archivist Lynn Morrow in the 1980s:
http://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/wrv/v8/n11/sp85d.htm
Vance Randolph, among others, documents the "cover story" for the mine, that of Bread Tray Mountain near present-day Lampe. In that story, the Quawpaw Indians who massacred the Spanish treasure hunters were not friendly at all.
The Bread Tray's ghost story was very easy to use as a way to keep nosy neighbors away from the Yocum's distilling operation of peach brandy to sell to the Delaware Indians at Delaware Town on modern-day Highway 14, just west of Nixa. The Yocums would then melt down the Federal specie paid to the Indians, and make their famous "silver dollars".
T.
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Here's a bit of sparkle on the Yocum story.
When I lived in the area--'67 - '72--I lived not far at all from Bread Tray Mountain (in Baxter), and a family friend, with whom I often stayed, lived under the shadow of the mountain. At the intersection of Highway H (which, IIRC is Old 86) and the side road H-18, there was the remains of a run-down farm house/shack, a lot of junk cars ('20s - '50s) and an expanse of over-grown, fallow fields leading right up to the foot fo the moutnain. There lived a pair of old man, brothers, by the name of Yocum. Our family friend told us to be wary of them, as they had a reputation of being reclusive and unfriendly, and they were supposed to be running a still. No mention that I remember was ever made of Yocum dollars, but the mountain was generally considered to be haunted by the locals.
The last time I went by there (about 3 years ago), the junk cars were long gone and the shack had fallen into complete ruin, but the fields were still untended, just more covered with brush and trees. I have no idea what happened to the family friend who lived up the road (long dead, I suppose), but his place had fallen into ruin as well, and his boat dock down on the lake is gone.
Funny how the legends and the people persisted so long.
Oh, BTW, I should vote: FM is the one for me. I do not like coasters, and I have always considered FITH to be an interloper than ruined the SDC that I loved as a kid. I was stunned when I saw the first ads for it the year after we left the area. ;D :P
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Here's a bit of sparkle on the Yocum story.
When I lived in the area--'67 - '72--I lived not far at all from Bread Tray Mountain (in Baxter), and a family friend, with whom I often stayed, lived under the shadow of the mountain. At the intersection of Highway H (which, IIRC is Old 86) and the side road H-18, there was the remains of a run-down farm house/shack, a lot of junk cars ('20s - '50s) and an expanse of over-grown, fallow fields leading right up to the foot fo the moutnain. There lived a pair of old man, brothers, by the name of Yocum. Our family friend told us to be wary of them, as they had a reputation of being reclusive and unfriendly, and they were supposed to be running a still. No mention that I remember was ever made of Yocum dollars, but the mountain was generally considered to be haunted by the locals.
The last time I went by there (about 3 years ago), the junk cars were long gone and the shack had fallen into complete ruin, but the fields were still untended, just more covered with brush and trees. I have no idea what happened to the family friend who lived up the road (long dead, I suppose), but his place had fallen into ruin as well, and his boat dock down on the lake is gone.
Funny how the legends and the people persisted so long.
Oh, BTW, I should vote: FM is the one for me. I do not like coasters, and I have always considered FITH to be an interloper than ruined the SDC that I loved as a kid. I was stunned when I saw the first ads for it the year after we left the area. ;D :P
Outstanding! Thank you so much for sharing that story about The Bread Tray. I've been meaning to get down there for some time and investigate the mountain before it is swallowed up in housing developments.
Randolph not only mentions the Bread Tray in Ozark Magic and Folklore, but also has a farily lengthy version of the tale in Stiff As a Poker, one of his collections of short stories.
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I'd keep Fire In the Hole. By the way, I recently heard that a movie about the Baldknobbers was being filmed in the Harrison, AR area.
Ship it on the Frisco!!!
Murphy J.
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You know as a a kid i loved FITH. But when I finally went back it always seemed a lot less of a ride. I have finally figured out why, it's because it is. If you look at the pic I took at the SDC Ace event in the backstage tour you will see where a section of the ride has been painted with grey paint...
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Yes, there have been alterations to the ride since it began. I think the ride may be somewhat shorter now, as they try to get more people on to it. It is a capacity thing. Moving many, many more people through the attraction than the old days when not as many folks as today visited the park.
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I understood that the faces of these 2 rides changed not just because of additions but the fake rock work didn't age well. In fact it fell on the front of FITH ,maybe 7-10 years ago. The rockwork you could see on the old picture with the slope right above the building facades just collapsed, it was visible during the later part of the season. It was not pretty. I think the same was the issue at the flooded mine. They can maintain some of that concrete screen rock but a lot of it just gives in time, small cracks grow and the frame bends and then you have a little cave in or really ugly sag.
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I think the fake rock is called "gunnite." I may have that spelled wrong. It is wet concrete sprayed or blown onto a metal mesh framework, which I think is often attached to a wooden frame. It lasts a pretty long time. The concrete is painted, too. As a teenage and young adult guy, I walked all over that stuff at the float trip, diving bell and flooded mine. It did easily support me, it did not give way at all. However, as mentioned above, after a while the weather gets into it. Cracks develop. Hey, concrete "rots" after awhile, and weakens. Remember there was a waterfall at Grandfather's Mansion, and a rocky outcropping outside the Springhouse restaurant entrance, and the Infinity Room at the tree house was made of the stuff, too. All gone, folks! That cave at the old float trip, now AP, lasted from 1969 until at least what, 2005? That's pretty good, but I know to cut costs the maintenance folks replaced the old stuff as it wore out. Too bad some of the old character of the park is lost when that stuff is torn out and replaced.
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Too bad some of the old character of the park is lost when that stuff is torn out and replaced.
I agree it does take its tole on the character of the park. They do a great job with the wood and metal but that old rock " said" SDC to me. I liked the look, you knew it wasn't real but it was acceptable to the eye, it looked old. The wood works but only goes so far. I think they could still use accents of the gunite rock out of areas that it wouldn't, or couldn't be walked on and wouldn't carry loads of stress. I am partial to the simple effect it gave to the park.
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Like the treehouse...we know it isn't wood now...but at some point, we stopped seeing it as wood, and it turned into concrete in our minds. The Gunite, otherwise known as shotcrete is cheaper, and more easily sculpted like the Animal Kingdom tree and expedition Everest at DW.