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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => General Silver Dollar City Talk => Topic started by: ARDisneyfan on June 04, 2014, 10:04:39 PM

Title: Wildfire Harness
Post by: ARDisneyfan on June 04, 2014, 10:04:39 PM
I have a quick question about the shoulder harness on Wildfire.  I'm sure it has always been this way, but this is the first time I've been to the park in a few years.  Has Wildfire always had the seat belt that serves as a backup to hold the shoulder harness down?  As I said I'm sure it has always been this way, I just didn't remember it.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: shavethewhales on June 04, 2014, 11:06:17 PM
Yup, it's always been there and is standard on all B&M rides (the coasters with the big boxy tracks). Outlaw Run is the one that added seatbelts this year.
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: ARDisneyfan on June 04, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
Ahh, Thanks!  I couldn't remember.  I'm trying to convince my daughter to ride it so I was doing research.   And I did not know that Outlaw Run has a seat belt as well as the lap bar... that is good to know!

Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: ithai on June 05, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
I would call outlaw runs bar a lower body bar. But I'm totally glad its there! As well as the seatbelt.
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: wascator on September 21, 2014, 10:07:28 PM
I rode Outlaw Run last Thursday afternoon; it does indeed hold onto you. Good thing, too.
I hope to ride it the second time with my eyes open.
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: Gilligan on September 21, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
Why did they add the seatbelt?  Legal issues, complaints from riders, a serious risk? 
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: wascator on September 22, 2014, 09:19:05 AM
Makes sense, in case something went wrong with the holddown bar latching.
Like the fire-retardant clothing we wear at work: you still burn up, but at least you had it on; looks better in court I suppose.
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: cowboy on September 22, 2014, 12:11:13 PM
Quote from: Gilligan on September 21, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
Why did they add the seatbelt?  Legal issues, complaints from riders, a serious risk? 

Seat belts were added to quite a few roller coasters after the Texas Giant incident including Titan, the New Texas Giant, the RMC's including Outlaw Run, and a lot of B&M hyper coasters too. I don't think they are needed if the restraints work properly and restrain the body in the correct locations...which parks are being more aggressive and aware of where the restraint sits on your body. But the restraint bars are really the only thing that truly restrain you (that's why if the restraint bars do not work and lock you in the correct position, you are still denied riding even it the seat belt is fastened). So it seems to me, the seat belts were installed for a better sense of safety, and I'm sure to satisfy legal/insurance reasons, but not because of serious risks.

Jay
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: shavethewhales on September 22, 2014, 10:17:35 PM
I don't think the general public, or even most enthusiasts, understand and appreciate the technology and strength design that goes into lap bar restraints. They simply don't fail like everyone likes to imagine. They are over engineered many times over any standard design loads, and high tech sensors make sure they shut properly and stay shut until the train re-enters the station.

I'm almost certain that the little seat belts on wildfire and other B&M's are just for safety theatre. They give an appearance of standard protocol and make riders feel safe because they have someone coming around to look at them rather than just watching the sensors which are what really do all the work. 
Title: Re: Wildfire Harness
Post by: wascator on September 23, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
That lady that fell out at Six Flags was pretty large, from the photo I saw.