having been killed in a strike by US forces in Pakistan. The streets of Silver Dollar City are safer after today. Congrats and good work to all who had a part in the efforts to bring Bin Laden to justice.
bye-bye now....
What was ya all doing on 9-11? I was working at a bodyshop near KCI airport, ya should'a seen all the airplanes flyin' around waitin' to land! For only being 46 yrs of age, it was the most crazyist day of my Life. After 2 weeks of numbness watching all the coverage, i finally had to stop watching it all & move on.
hopefully it is true... AND if it is true, it is WAAAAYYYYY overdue!
enuf sed!
My guess is Osama didn't get the 70 virgins or whatever it is supposed to be when he got to the gate, instead, St. Peter quickly pushed the down button on the elevator, and he found himself wedged in a cell alongside Hitler, Saddam, and Stalin. Happy trails, Osama! Eternity is a bitch! :D
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituatries with great pleasure"
Mark Twain
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I guess it was time for the Devil to call Bin Laden home!
They buried him at sea and they should have thrown him in a 20 foot hole in the middle of nowhere and filled it in with manure!
God bless the military of the Red, White and Blue!
I dont know the exact meaning..... But the burial at sea is supposed to be 100% AGAINST his re;igion..?? dont know? Maybe virgins cant swim?> LOL..
enuf sed!
Quote from: How-doFolks on May 02, 2011, 05:11:30 AM
What was ya all doing on 9-11? I was working at a bodyshop near KCI airport, ya should'a seen all the airplanes flyin' around waitin' to land! For only being 46 yrs of age, it was the most crazyist day of my Life. After 2 weeks of numbness watching all the coverage, i finally had to stop watching it all & move on.
I was teaching fourth graders. I had just taken the class to PE, when a parent came into the office and made us turn on the TV. Unbelievable. When I picked up the class to return to the room, I had to pause in the hallway and say a little prayer. I was flashing back to April 19, 1995, when I was teaching another group of youngsters (second graders), just 4 1/2 miles from the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. I know a little of how the people felt near the WTC, because I helped my students deal with emotions as some of them attended multiple memorials for victims of Timothy McVeigh.
In fact (shameless plug), you can read a fictionalized account of my experience in one of my books.
Just PM me for the link to my website if you're interested.
I stayed up late, last night, to watch the news-heads going crazy waiting for the president to finally show up to make his speech. I can't say I can be happy about a man meeting such a fate, especially without having his spiritual house in order. I'd rather folks see the error of their ways and make adjustments in their lives, but I realize this is a rare occasion in the 21st Century, and I fully understand that probably wasn't going to happen in this extreme case. Hell is certainly part of the Good News of Christianity, but I am happy to allow God to be the judge. Just think - the same God who judges Usama will judge me, too.
I'm not sure the world is any safer, but the U.S.A. certainly scored a symbolic victory.
On 9/11 I was at work as a news reporter for a local radio station. When I heard about the first plane hitting the WTC, I thought it could have just been a pilot that made an error. I remember an account from decades ago when a pilot accidentally hit the Empire State Building in a heavy fog. Later, when I heard about the second plane, I thought, ohhhh, something is seriously wrong here. One of the flight attendants on the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was from our town in east Arkansas. We interviewed her dad live on the air...a memorable moment. Later that evening, many churches in our town held special services as people tried to make sense of what had happened. I went to three or four services, covering them for the news. Many people say they remember where they were when JFK died...in my life there was the two space shuttle disasters, 9/11, Princess Diana's death, Gulf Wars I and II, and Saddam's capture and later trial and death. Now Osama's death can be added to the list. What I am concerned about regarding Osama is the "retaliation" strikes that are bound to happen. In my Bible study, I've discovered that God does not want anyone to kill anyone else. All these extremists are so bent on furthing whatever cause it is they push that they are willing to take everyone out...including people of their own faith. Makes no sense. However, "wars and rumors of war..." and other events are all birthing signs as to what the future holds. That's why it is important to get your head and heart right with the man upstairs. My response initially on this thread above is my red white and blue American good ole boy coming out. I remember in the old Seargent York movie, York's commander asked him why it was he did what he did...York replied he took out some lives to save many more. I'm sure that's what our military probably did with Osama, and also as retaliation for 9/11 and all the crap that has happened since then. Think about what Osama did...take out two American embassies, the WTC, ordered many strikes around the world, sparked conflicts in Afganistan and Iraq. Whew! That is a lot of trouble. On the happy end, what happened with government protests and revolts in Egypt and many other middle eastern countries is probably a good thing.
Quote from: sanddunerider on May 02, 2011, 11:00:49 AM
I dont know the exact meaning..... But the burial at sea is supposed to be 100% AGAINST his re;igion..?? dont know? Maybe virgins cant swim?> LOL..
enuf sed!
I heard that could be done as a last resort as long as it was within 24 hours. I really don't give a flying &^%$ what they did with him. Let him sit and rot in the cargo hold for a couple of weeks for all I care. Why do we constantly have to have tolerance for everyone else's beliefs when they fly planes into buildings for ours.
Stepping off soapbox now...
here, let me borrow the soapbox..
some of you may not like this statement< so i will apoligize in advance if this offends you.
I think we should have taken his dead body, put him in an airtight clear coffin and put him on public display! After all, isnt that the way they treat their captives/prisoners..
ok, Step down from soapbox.
Next person?
QuoteI mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Quote"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituatries with great pleasure"
Mark Twain
Thanks Rube,,,,,,, I love M.T.
Great quotes, rd.
Quote from: thelarsonsix on May 02, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Why do we constantly have to have tolerance for everyone else's beliefs when they fly planes into buildings for ours.
Because the people who flew the planes were a vocal minority of a HUGE religion that for the majority is just as docile as the majority of Christianity.
Saying we shouldn't respect the beliefs of a Muslim because of what the terrorists who claim to be representing the Muslim faith do, is like saying we shouldn't respect the beliefs of a Christian because of what the Westboro Baptist Church, who claim to be representing the Christian faith, does.
If a true Christian and a true Muslim were to meet each other, they could easily be the best of friends. The only major difference between modern Islam and modern Christianity is that Islam believes Jesus was just a prophet while Christianity believes he was the son of God. So why is it we can get along just fine with people of the Jewish faith but not those of the Muslim faith?
It is the intolerance of religion that has led to so much strife and war in history. If we were to be more understanding and respectful of people and their beliefs, we wouldn't have so much horror going on.
My local radio station reported today that Osama's "last words" were released by officials today. They were, "Hey, you're NOT the pizza delivery guy!" ;)
I have to step up here, Miss Tina, and say that comparing Westboro Baptist to Arab terrorists is a bit of a stretch...in fact it's a huge stretch. While I may not agree with Westboro's methods, I'm pretty sure that they have not killed a single person, let alone thousands, the most being of their own faith.
And while it may be true that the majority of Muslims are "docile," and terrorists represent only an extreme faction of their religion, the fact is that the religion of Islam is not "peaceful." Their Koran teaches "kill the infidels." In fact, it is the extremists who are following their "book" to the letter.
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-Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
-On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
-Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - Sura 2:191
-Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
-Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - Sura 2:216
(different translation: Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.)
-But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - Sura 4:89
-O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - Sura 5:54
-Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - Sura 66:9
-The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - Sura 98:51
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That being said, I will grant that Christianity has not been a peaceful religion either. History is filled with incidents of bloodshed done "in the name of Christianity." The difference is that these have been things done by people and individuals and are contrary to the New Testament, or Christian, teachings in the Bible. True, in the Old Testament, God directed the Hebrews to wipeout whole populations, but those were specific cases and limited to that day and age. New Testament, or Christian, teaching supplants that of the Old in most cases, and is peaceful and loving in nature: "Love your neighbor as yourself" & "Love your enemy" (Mt. 5:43-44), etc. God does not hate sinners, as the Koran indicates..."God demonstrated His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Rom. 5:8
It may be true that, in practice, a Muslim and a Christian can be friends and respectful to each other. However, if the Muslim is being true to his faith, he cannot. "O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people." - Sura 5:54
There are many "major" differences between Christianity and Islam, not just in regards to how they view Christ's deity. Too many to go into here. Further, the "true" Muslim will find that his faith prohibits him from being a friend to either Christians or Jews. A "true" Christian, while being encouraged by his religious teachings to be respectful of the individual Muslim, cannot condone the teachings of Islam, or tolerate them. The best we, Christians, can do is respect their right to have their beliefs. And that is something that the teachings of Islam do not even allow to it's adherents...IF one is "truly" following the faith.
Quote from: How-doFolks on May 02, 2011, 05:11:30 AM
What was ya all doing on 9-11?
I was at home, in bed, watching the Today show...didn't have to work that day. They abandoned their regular chatter to relate the news of the first plane hitting the tower. My wife was in the bathroom getting ready for work and I said "Come in here and watch this." She did and I told her "That was no accident!" A few minutes later the second plane hit, confirming my earlier assumption. I could hardly believe my eyes as first one, then the other tower crumbled and fell. I had the opportunity to visit the Towers when I was in college. Even today, it's hard to believe they're gone.
I am getting a bit nervous about where this is going, and I feel that we are getting away from the goal of our little site and the Random Talk aspect.
We all come from different places, and have different beliefs, and that is what is great about our society. Let us attempt to agree to disagree on a few topics, and have pride in our country/ and faith that things will work out in the end (whatever end you believe in). We have brave men and women fighting for our right to share our thoughts openly and honestly, and I simply do not want to ostracize anyone.
SDCfans is a place for us to share, sometimes rant, and vent about some of our thoughts as a whole, but let us try to not glorify anything that might cause someones beliefs/ attitudes harm.
I know many are simply stating facts, but like life there are a few things I avoid in groups, religion and politics. Those are the things that ALWAYS get heated...
Thanks
rube
i understand turning the other cheek if someone hits you, but if they are threatening your life or your family I feel you have an obligation to defend yourself and your freedom. I was a soldier who just happened to serve in the 11 years between wars. i am not a pacifist. I did not celebrate the death of uBL, because I know he is one of God's children, but in my heart I'm glad he's no longer a threat to me or my family.
Don't worry, RD. I got no beef with Tina, none at all. And I hope she has none with me. And I don't believe I said anything that was disrespectful to her, at least I don't think so, and didn't mean to if it sounded that way. Still, I don't think it's a good idea to form opinions, like seeing no difference between Westboro and terrorists, based on misconceptions/faulty information, like "Islam is a peaceful religion" (I realize that's the way the media tries to paint them though). Westboro's methods may not be the shining example of "Christian love", but to liken them to killers of innocent people...quite an exaggeration IMO. But, like Tina, I am in favor of being "tolerant" of other individuals. In fact, I find it to be a quite necessary trait. I believe "long-suffering" is how the Bible puts it. However, more often than not, and especially true in the relationship between Christianity and Islam, "tolerance" is a one-way street. This is particularly evidenced by the fact that in most Muslim countries, the practice of Christianity is either strictly forbidden or severely repressed. "Just the facts, ma'am." Sorry, Tina, if my comments offended.
That's all.
On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with a good healthy discussion, as long as it's civil, is there? Maybe we can have a sub-forum called "Heated Talk," eh Rube? LOL
No beef with you. I understand your point.
The thing is, there are still many Christians today who take everything in the Bible to heart but ignore all the parts that require killing. And there are many Muslims today that do the same with their holy book.
I am friends with more than one Muslim here on campus, and they are some of the most loving, peaceful people I know, far more than many "Christians" I know.
There are bad people in all religions, and there are good, and I just think we shouldn't judge an entire group based solely on the chosen holy book of their religion, because many of them may not believe in following the more violent passages.
I admit I probably shouldn't have used the term "true." And I'd like to forget I did. LOL
As for Westboro... no, no killings. I guess I chose them because they're currently the most vocal minority "representing" Christianity right now, and while they've not killed anyone, they are psychological terrorists who perpetuate hatred that can lead others to violence. There have been those incidents with men fooling people into joining their communes and then "drinking Kool-Aid." It seems "Christian" terrorists are more subtle in their dealings.
This is why I've basically given up on identifying myself with any religion and prefer to call myself "spiritual" rather than "religious." I think the Ten Commandments are good rules to live by, and there are even atheists who agree that they are a good moral code, as well as "Judge not lest ye be judged," "Love your neighbor as yourself," and "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."
My feelings are that as long as you live your life helping others rather than harming, you're good to go. And I know many, many Christians AND Muslims of whom that can be said.
I like the idea of a Heated Talk forum. I probably wouldn't take part, 'cause I really do try to just avoid religion and politics when talking to friends because of how easily it can get out of hand and lead to misunderstandings and rifts.
WOW!! well on another note, today is almost 70 degrees, no wind, no rain. beeutiful day.. would be a great day to be at the City!
BTW, Junior: Best Osama joke I've seen so far. LOL
Just a light comment for a quick grin! Thanks!
I've been seeing some funny graphics on Tumblr where Waldo is telling Osama that he still reigns as champion of hide and seek. LOL
There's a funny manip that put Lord Voldemort's face on Osama's picture that says "[expletive] don't know about my horcruxes!"
Quote from: tinaalsgirl on May 03, 2011, 02:06:42 AM
Quote from: thelarsonsix on May 02, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
Why do we constantly have to have tolerance for everyone else's beliefs when they fly planes into buildings for ours.
Because the people who flew the planes were a vocal minority of a HUGE religion that for the majority is just as docile as the majority of Christianity.
Saying we shouldn't respect the beliefs of a Muslim because of what the terrorists who claim to be representing the Muslim faith do, is like saying we shouldn't respect the beliefs of a Christian because of what the Westboro Baptist Church, who claim to be representing the Christian faith, does.
If a true Christian and a true Muslim were to meet each other, they could easily be the best of friends. The only major difference between modern Islam and modern Christianity is that Islam believes Jesus was just a prophet while Christianity believes he was the son of God. So why is it we can get along just fine with people of the Jewish faith but not those of the Muslim faith?
It is the intolerance of religion that has led to so much strife and war in history. If we were to be more understanding and respectful of people and their beliefs, we wouldn't have so much horror going on.
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I know, I'm mostly to blame for it. I will say one last thing for clarification. I wasn't speaking about Muslims in general but the terrorists who believe killing the infidels in the answer. I realize I made no effort to make that distinction in my post and for that I apologize. I just think political correctness and "tolerance" has caused a lot of the problems our country is facing right now. Not religious tolerance, per se, but maybe pacifism would be a better word. I am tired of seeing my rights trampled so some fringe group can have theirs.
I will not comment on the matter further for the same reasons Rube stated in a later post. There are a lot of forums where the three "G's" (God, Guns and Government) are not allowed and it's easy to see why. If I rubbed someone the wrong way, again, I apologize.
I agree, Tina. There are good and decent people all around us. It only takes a few nutcases to give the rest a bad name.
thelarsonsix, no need to apologize. Your statement was right on. It was the policy of appeasement that lead to WW2.
""""three "G's" (God, Guns and Government) """"
larson, I like that!
Quote from: sanddunerider on May 03, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
""""three "G's" (God, Guns and Government) """"
larson, I like that!
We're very fortunate to be pretty much "self policing" here and not really having anything (as long as it's clean) off limits. And we seem to do a pretty good job of it. That's another reason I will not go any farther with that topic. I would hate to see someone discouraged from joining because they just happened to read a couple of posts and saw the same old same old arguing and fighting about off topic stuff.
I also have my opinions on all this but I guess I will wait for a "Heated Talk" forum before I get into those. Just kiddin.
But I remember exactly what I was doing when I found out about the attacks. I was in second grade, and this is one of the few things I remember crystal clear about elementary school actually. We had just gotten back from lunch, and my teacher explained to us what was happening. It is rare for teachers to talk about current world events with students, especially in elementary school. I did not completely understand what was going on, and I didn't understand what was really going on. I had no idea what the World Trade Center was or how big of a threat this was to our country.
When I got home that day, my parents had a long discussion with my sister and I about what was going on. This is when I began to comprehend that maybe this was serious. Even though it was constantly on the news after the attacks, I never remember feeling scared for my safety, probably because I was only in elementary school, and didn't have a full grasp about the situation.
However, it is amazing how some things stick with us and some do not. I remember everything about that day. I guess this just goes to show that 9/11 had a great impact on all Americans, even the young ones at the time. I know someday my children will ask me about that day, and I will have to re-live and explain what happened to them, and I will be able to in perfect detail.
God bless USA.
I was reading this and thinking about days/events that I rememeber....
911 obviously......
I dont remember the walk on the moon< i was in grade school.
I do remember the shuttle blowing up, I think that was in 86. rememebr watching the replays on tv while at work. terrible day for us all.
of course there are many more events that effected all of us as a country and individuals, these were a couple that come up in discussion from time to time.
In 1986, I was in the sixth grade when the Challenger exploded. I was home sick that whole week.
In 1995, i was in Panama on pass the day the Murrah building was blown up
in 2001, I was @ Tinker AFB working as a government contractor, when the towers came down.
An interesting side note, on July 4, 1993, just a few months after the first attack on the World trade center, I was in New York City. Me and a group of my soldier buddies from FT Monmouth, NJ spent the day there.