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If capacity is what the park will hold until they start turning people away, then I think that is somewhere around 25,000.  If they are allowed to go half then that would be 12,500, and I think that would be plenty to turn a profit.  There are a lot of days they go over that but there are a lot of days they go under that also, and if they are limiting it to that number then most days would be close if not at capacity.   Now at Christmas & Pumpkin Nights that would be another story altogether and probably have to take reservations or count at the entrance.

Here's the thing though, at crowds of 10,000 you are still dealing with lines, walking near people, and crowds in general. In order to have a crowd free experience you'd have to only let in a few hundred people at a time, which isn't enough to turn a profit.

It's a moot point, because things are opening back up anyway, but for future pandemic planning it's basically all or nothing with these kinds of venues.

When you say "all or nothing" does that mean you think when they do open there will be no limitations to the number of people they allow into the park?  It looks to me like at the present it will be a slow process with a set amount being allowed into the park at one time.  I just don't see them allowing 15,000, 20,000 or more with the chance of starting an outbreak.   I mean technically isn't it still future pandemic planning since they haven't opened the doors?

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If the new norm for SDC is running at half capacity, how would they fare? They are not a very big park to begin with. I am not sure what their half is so I could be way off here, but would this not ultimately hurt business to run the park and only allow so many in? How many guests would be ticked if they were turned away because the quota was met for the day? Six Flags is doing reservations, right? If that is anything like grocery pick up in my town, its easier for me to just get the foods myself than wait a week out to get anything.

So I guess what I am trying to ask all the smart knowledgeable people on here is if it would be cheaper to keep the park closed than to open to half crowds?
 
If capacity is what the park will hold until they start turning people away, then I think that is somewhere around 25,000.  If they are allowed to go half then that would be 12,500, and I think that would be plenty to turn a profit.  There are a lot of days they go over that but there are a lot of days they go under that also, and if they are limiting it to that number then most days would be close if not at capacity.   Now at Christmas & Pumpkin Nights that would be another story altogether and probably have to take reservations or count at the entrance.

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I would love to have the original ride back with the drop at the beginning.

I am a little lost on your statement there......a drop at the beginning of The Flooded Mine??

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I've been thinking about it more, and I'm increasingly worried that the impact of the virus will speed the demise of our beloved classics. We've talked for years about replacement concepts being tossed around for both FM and FITH. It's obviously an ever changing situation in even the best of times, but this virus mess is going to dampen everything.

If they are having to cut down on things, FM could be an easy target due to age, upkeep, having to sanitize the guns, ADA access, etc. Grandfather's Mansion too... This situation could be the stiff breeze that finally sends them toppling after all these years.

If there is a replacement project for FITH as has been rumored for years, I imagine construction wouldn't begin till 2022 at this point... and even that is dependent on the numbers during the recovery. Could be pretty bleak for awhile.

I doubt we see anything added in 2022 either.  That might be a time to freeze or lower ticket prices though.

I would think any new construction that was put off would just add to the life of the classics (what's already in place).  I don't see a major cost in keeping these going a while longer, at least in comparison with demolition and new construction of something new.  Now I could definitely see Grandfather's Mansion not opening anytime soon, and possibly the guns being removed from Flooded Mine.  I would also be just a little surprised if they lowered ticket prices.   

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 06, 2020, 03:30:11 PM »
According to most everything I've read beyond the mass media nonsense is that prolonged, close in contact is the main driver for transmission. That is why we see meat packing plants and cities with crammed public transportation get nailed but grocery stores somehow escape mass break out. Shows and queue lines are the trouble spots for SDC. Ride time reservations and uutdoor entertainment with some spacing would be the way to go.

Yes I agree, I think shows would be a big problem.  Actually shows inside would be completely out of the question at this time.  Should social distancing be in place??  Probably so with everything we know at this time, but the work load for employees would be overwhelming, and the SDC experience would pretty much go down the drain.  Also, I just don't see how it could possibly work. So I guess SDC will have to weigh all that out when they think it's time to open. 

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 06, 2020, 10:39:45 AM »
If I was opening SDC tomorrow or in the near future I would have everyone wear masks (if that does help).  I would keep sanatized everything possible that wasn't a major hindrance to my visitors.....rides especially.  I would try to max out attendance at possibly 6,000 and close the gates at that point.  As much as I hate to say it, I would throw social distancing out the door.  I think that would be close to impossible to implement and be successful with. Also, I could see a lot of fighting taking place because visitors didn't think others were social distancing the way they should.  I am not taking the road they should or should not open, just the what if.

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 06, 2020, 06:19:36 AM »
Wow I opened up a whole nest of murder hornets when I started this thread, huh?  I really didn't expect it to go in this direction but was hoping for maybe innovative ideas for the City to make it more safe.
In the words of Rodney King, Can't we all just get along?

More like Don King...."Only in America can you find so many angry people claiming to love their country, while hating almost anyone in it".   :)

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 05, 2020, 06:16:02 AM »
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... itís May

France has gone back and reexamined pneumonia deaths and one in the last week of Dec was positive for Wuflu. The person had not been to China,.so they now.figure it was in France since mid Dec. Bet your bottom dollar the same will.be true in the states. California has traced back to it being here to the first week of Jan.

Iím not sold that of these Kung Flu confirmed cases are actually Kung Flu.  Influenza A was horrible this year

I don't believe they can confirm a case of COVID-19 unless they were tested......could be wrong about that.

Yes...Influenza A was bad this year.

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 05, 2020, 06:10:49 AM »
but to be fair the  first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.

That was actually 5 months ago... itís May

Right....I was just using a time reference.

105 days  =  Approx 3 1/2  Months

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 04, 2020, 03:21:20 PM »
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

The employees will be forced to.


Yes...They will probably be strongly encouraged to, but if they don't drop like flies with no major complaints hopefully it will be time to open.

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 04, 2020, 01:20:46 PM »
Seems logical......it cures everything else!

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 04, 2020, 12:50:02 PM »
Please know that I am sympathetic to those who have a compromised immune system and to the elderly. There are members of my family who fall into these categories. But I also think it's important that we recognize that to many, access to an income-earning job can also be a life or death issue. I think we must recognize the seriousness of this disease for some portions of our population, do what we can to protect them as best as we are able, and then allow others to decide how much risk they are willing to take. For some, I'm sure staying home feels safe and smart because they may have the means to be able to work from home or not have to work at all, and for others I'm sure it feels maddening, not just because of "freedom" and "my rights," but because being forced to stay home means not knowing how they'll be able to afford their mortgage or car payment or grocery bill this month or the next. I feel for those who are scared of this virus for good reason, just as much as I feel for those who are scared that they won't be able to meet their family's most basic needs in an uncertain future. There may very well be SDC employees who fall into that category.

That is pretty well said woodgrain.......That may well be the answer to when will you feel comfortable enough to return to SDC?   

When the emplyees do!

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General Silver Dollar City Talk / Re: Going back to SDC
« on: May 04, 2020, 09:03:33 AM »
I do not know anyone personally that has been confirmed to have this. I am concerned about getting it and passing it to elderly family members.

I did not get passes this year, because I am saving money for a large purchase. Otherwise, if it opened tomorrow, I would go.

I have always kept my distance from others out of personal preference with the exception of theaters and queue lines.

They have hand sanitizer stations around the park.  If you are uncomfortable then wear a mask or don't go





I do not know anyone that has personally had it either, but to be fair the first case in the U.S. was supposedly in January which was only 3 months ago.  The first case in Lawrence County Mo. was yesterday in which I live.  If guidelines and social distancing had not been implemented everyone might know someone that had it or has it, and still might.  It will eventually get into the rural areas.

I too try to keep my distance from others at SDC, but that really is just impossible to do even on a small attendance day.  Will young children practice and be able to social distance??

Hand sanitizers would definitely help but still be just a drop in the bucket considering the rides and all the handrails that would constanly need sanitizing.  In some areas it would be possible but extremely challenging in others.

I see everyone's point in wanting to go, it's a tough decision to open or not throughout the entire country, but it just seems we don't know near as much about it as we really should at this point.

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Random Talk / Re: Coronavirus
« on: April 23, 2020, 01:20:22 PM »
Obviously Missouri will probably take a slower approach, but if things don't backfire entirely it is starting to look like we could get to SDC this summer after all.

I don't see how SDC can get by the social distancing that needs to take place.  Even at phase 3 physical distancing is in place and Missouri isn't even at phase 1 yet.  I sure hope they can but it sure looks like it is just too much for them to overcome this year.

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Random Talk / Re: Coronavirus
« on: April 23, 2020, 01:11:14 PM »
 From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases of H1N1 that killed 12,469 in the U.S.  As of today there have been 855,435 cases of COVID-19 that have killed 47,992 in the U.S.

 At this point COVID-19  is more contagious, more deadly, and if 60.8 million people were to somehow get infected by it that would project to around 3 million deaths.

Do I think that many will perish?  Probably not, but it is going to be a terrible toll when all is said and done.

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