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Title: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 26, 2007, 04:13:41 PM
So in the Wild Adventures thread, we were discussing how it may be likely for CC to get one of WA's coasters, possibly either one of the kiddie coasters or even the Boomerang, seeing as the Herschends would probably not buy a coaster of much magnitude for the park outright at this point. However, Geauga Lake also has some rides that will probably be thrown up for sale, including another Boomerang and several good flats.

By all accounts, the park deserves to get a little more love than usual next year. SDC is pretty much confirmed to get that big new woodie in 09', so the soonest CC could get anything noteworthy would be 2-3 years from now if not this year. Besides, since it's initiation in 2003, CC has received only a set of Flyers and a Wisdom Tornado besides the Chance Chaos that only stayed for a summer (or was it longer?).

Anyway, CC's latest attraction was a very run-down Wisdom Tornado that had to be completely re-built. It was apparently an advertising success for the park, but as a ride it lacks severely.

This year, I'm really hoping CC steps it up a notch and goes after a mid-sized thrill ride, even though I know the park really needs new shops, shows, and things to attract families. There's a certain point where the best family magnet is a massive new thrill ride. Maybe a brand new Huss is out of the question, but Geauga Lake has quite a few rides up for grabs. If they were able to turn that hunk of junk they got this year around, imagine what they could do with something even bigger. 

So, any thoughts?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2007, 09:22:36 PM
^Whoah, I wouldn't go that far. CC isn't as nicely built up and characterized as SDC or DW, but it sure isn't anything like a fair, even for the rich. Take a look at my fair (see below), that's a crappy place to ride, and feel unsafe in. CC, on the other hand, is very clean, very good looking, has great theming, good staff, a sense of character (albeit it needs maturing that will come in time), and an overall good value to everything.

CC was the first Herschend park to really be more of an amusement park than a themed experience, but it's still a great place, and as it grows larger I expect to see it change more and more into what we're used to seeing from the Herschends. It just needs to sort it's problems out first.

Btw, Boomerangs are typically pretty good maintainence-wise, but if the version at WA is a lemon, then I guess that rumor goes down the drain.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Coaster on September 27, 2007, 09:27:32 PM
Although it is a slight possibility that CC will get the Boomerang, do you really think they would get it as quick as next year?? I don't think so. I think they'd get it in the next couple years since the Herschend's will still be building up WA.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2007, 09:29:19 PM
Maybe. It all depends on how fast they move, and the Herschends have the ability to move pretty fast if they want to. Who knows, they might have another massive park re-building plan like they did for CC on the tab for WA that involves sacrificing some rides for others.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Coaster on September 27, 2007, 09:31:22 PM
Now I forget...How long was Branson USA closed before it became CC?? Do you think they'll close WA? Because I think WA is in much better shape than Branson USA was.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Coaster on September 27, 2007, 09:46:26 PM
I've never been to CC. But I don't want it to become White Water. Way too much money the Herschend's don't need to spend, and I think they can actually do some things to make CC better.


But if you don't mind me asking, why do you hate it?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 27, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
I'm sorry, but I hate CC. Most people in Branson hate CC. Even SDC people hate CC.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I just don't see where this 'hate' for the park comes from. Is it because it is over shadowed by SDC? I mean, if CC was in say, Tulsa, it would be one of the most celebrated parks in the country for it's cleanly and professionally run ways. Really, it's only fault is that it is too small to compare with it's sister park.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Joy on September 27, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
I've never been to CC and I hope I get to go someday soon.

It's too bad HFE can't do something like build a monorail-type system that would take people from SDC to CC; something that would connect the parks so that people would be more motivated to visit both.

I think the biggest thing is I really think CC should have a later closing time. It closes at, what, 10pm? For a park whose concept is to be a night-time complement to SDC's day-time hours, it doesn't give people who go to SDC for a full day much time to go over and enjoy CC to its full potential.

I mean, SDC closes at something like 6pm except for the show. Why? Because they know that a lot of people are going to be going to shows in Branson.

So, what of those people who go to SDC then a show and want some late-night entertainment for a good price? By the time their 8pm shows are out, CC's closed.

For those who like to go play mini-golf or drive go-karts at midnight, I think it'd be nice if CC stayed open 'til 12am or 1am.

~ "Becky" Joy ~
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Copper on September 28, 2007, 02:09:15 AM
SDC experimented with eight pm closings and they went over well, so I can see SDC extending there hours in the future.

I donít like CC for several reasons. I like permanent rides with good supports not fair type rides. I hate stainless steel queue-lines. I canít help it, I just donít like it. I love parts of CC such as the Victorian/Edwardian, Fifties section; but over all itís like so many other half assed parks. The park was built strictly from stopping an outside park from purchasing the property. I donít think HFE really care that much for the park and all over SDC that is the opinion.

Hate is a strong word. It can cause a stir, but Iím just not a fan, sorry.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 28, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
I also dislike fair rides, but I think that if given a little time those will soon disappear from the park, the same thing goes for the rickety queue lines. Eventually, the theming will be more complete throughout as well, and I imagine CC will become more like a real city. The park just needs time and funds to grow, that's all.

I still say that it's a great park right now though. It may not be nearly as good as it could be, but just because it has a handful of recycled carnival rides thrown in doesn't make it that bad. I mean, try looking at some other parks, even Cedar Point. CC easily runs a tighter, cleaner show than pretty much any other park twice it's size.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 31, 2007, 08:51:11 PM
They aren't saying anything specific yet, but they are saying that this year is going to be CC's biggest year yet. Maybe this means that 2008 will be CC's year to shine with a major new headline attraction. After all, the park is in a sink or swim situation, and it hasn't gotten anything really serious for awhile. New steel coaster, anyone?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Tom on November 07, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
I don't remeber where I posted my comments about the possibility of Jester. . . but here is a follow up idea:  How about installing FLASHBACK from Magic Mountain.  It is for sale.  I fear that this would serve the same function as Thunderbolt and it would probably get the boot.  Nobody wants DeJaVu do they?  I found that thing to be pure terror.  Just too much speed and too many Gs.  It might be cheap and definately get the public curious.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 07, 2007, 11:00:02 AM
You've got to be kidding about Flashback - I doubt that thing has been operable for years. When was the last time it was open? 1997? Even if it did work, it's apparently brutal, not to mention boring.

Deja Vu, on the other hand, is supposed to be awesome when it's working. However, they might not want a maintainence nightmare.

I really wonder what direction they're going to go in this season. It seems to me that this would be the best year for CC to get a big new ride, but after again we have to consider how SDC is being harmed by the competition and how much it will take to get CC to the point that it can really start to profit.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 07, 2007, 07:34:35 PM
2008 is supposed to be the "biggest" season for Celebration City yet.  Announcement is supposed to come just before Christmas
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Johnny Boy on November 15, 2007, 10:54:43 PM
I could see CC getting a spinning wild mouse at most. For me it seems like a BIG coaster like a hyper would just look WEIRD in the CC skyline. Think about it, you've got a huge coaster standing 100 feet about all those little steel coasters and a woodie. :-\
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 16, 2007, 08:59:44 PM
^I don't think even the most eccentric fans would hope for a hyper coaster with CC in its current position. However, the idea of a spinner is a good one. I know its a popular guess, but I mean, the Herschends have recently done well with Gerstauler, and we all know how one good job leads to another within the chain. I just hope we don't get a basic layout if one is indeed in store for us.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 18, 2007, 03:34:18 PM
Hmmm, I hear S&S has announced that the first installation of their El Loco concept will be in America in 2008. With most parks already announcing their new stuff, and the Herschends having benefited well from the past 2 S&S projects (not to mention Accelerator), this could be a good possibility for CC. Then again, it doesn't quite seem like the type of ride they would go for, as they already have 2 smaller steel coasters. Besides, it has low capacity and is somewhat expensive. 

Still, it seems like it'll be either FC or CC that gets this.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 02, 2007, 05:59:57 PM
The park will be the only one of the 3 to get a new ride next year.  I will let you know more about this new attraction soon -- just don't get too "wet" from the anticipation
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 02, 2007, 10:01:47 PM
Hmmm, maybe another Splash battle? That or one of those S&S drop & splash things. A water ride is a definite good choice though, seeing as the only one they have currently is a crummy log flume. Will this replace it?

EDIT: Ah, I hear it is the Shoot-D-Chute from Geauga Lake... interesting...
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 03, 2007, 10:37:02 PM
Confirmed actually
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2007, 01:44:49 AM
Name: Roaring Falls - CONFIRMED
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 31, 2007, 11:26:59 AM
How will it be themed? Have any pieces arrived yet.

Damn I wish I lived closer to Branson.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2007, 11:20:35 PM
As a Shoot d' Chutes ride, I guess  ???

I'm sure you live closer to Branson then I do -- I live in NE Missouri
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 13, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
So much for it going in the employee parking lot - the old Shute-the-chutes is now off the ride list. Tch, it didn't have much time left anyway, but now they are still down to a single water ride.

I hope they throw in some cool water play things into the Roaring Falls area, kind of like the fountains over by the Wildcat.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: kfoster4 on January 17, 2008, 07:37:46 PM
Hello,

This is basically the same comment I left with the news "Shute D' Chutes to Leave CC":

This will be my third year with CC and I will be the lead of Area 4 (Fireball, Paris Wheel, Swing Twirl, Shoot D' Chute), and I have been reading about the speculation of the chute leaving. I was worried for my area and I e-mailed my attraction manager at CC and she assured me that the chute isn't leaving. By the way, Roaring Falls has arrived and will be placed near accelerator. I was also going to distribute construction photos and area photos for Roaring falls, but I haven't received the e-mail from CC with photos I took with the park camera. If I make it back up there soon I will take my camera and get some.

My attractions manager will be away for a while but she said she would check out the website and find out why it is missing for the ride list.

kfoster4
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 17, 2008, 08:14:12 PM
Wow, sorry guys - I just assumed that since they had updated the site with the Roaring Falls information, the loss of the Chutes from the ride list couldn't be a mistake.

Thanks for the info, kfoster4, and welcome to the forums.

So what has been done so far construction wise, and how exactly is Roaring Falls going to fit by the Accelerator?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: CJR on January 19, 2008, 10:24:09 PM
Sounds like a park expansion.  A couple years ago they had a carshow out that direction.  Maybe they plan to expand the park that direction.  It would be neat if they announced a new shop or restaurant that way too.  Expansion is good though.  Thanks for letting us know!  ;D
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 01, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
So I've heard that major work is starting on RF, can anyone go out there and grab some pics?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Copper on March 03, 2008, 01:03:30 PM
I will be there this weekend. I will get you SDC parking lot and CC photos!
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 21, 2008, 08:18:18 PM
Kfoster just sent in some Roaring Falls photos. Here's a couple, I'll get them all added to the site tonight.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 29, 2008, 11:37:56 PM
Hmmm, apparently Roaring Falls will be themed to the Amazon jungle. Not to bitch, but why did they choose a jungle theme in a 60's park? I mean, it's a fun theme, but couldn't they have done something like a classic flume theme? Meh, I'm sure it will be extremely fun either way though, it'll even feature 2 crocodiles and a hippo that squirt water at passengers.

I'm hoping this thing turns out to be a real surprise, Herschend attractions tend to do that.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Copper on March 30, 2008, 02:17:44 AM
Yes, a group of friends and I were coming home from Las Vegas and saw this in the news. We were like what the hell??? It should be in theme and it wouldnít be hard to stay in theme either.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 30, 2008, 06:11:19 PM
Actually the park's theme is the 50's. 

IDK how the Amazon fits into the park, unless this is the begin of a "retheme" for the whole park to more of what Wild Adventures is.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Copper on March 30, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
What does the 1950s have to do with the Amazon?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 30, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
Actually, the park's theme is 20th Century America.  Different areas are different decades, and worker costuming is supposed to reflect that.  It's a difficult theme to uphold, though - way too broad for the Herchends.  The areas aren't adequately defined.

Of course, I guess there was an Amazon in the '50s and '60s too though.  Maybe they could stick some pirhana in the pool!
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Copper on April 01, 2008, 10:06:42 PM
I still think an entire re-theme of CC would be exciting. Introduce animals and have it a 1910s Theodore Roosevelt Safari type theme. Theme wouldnít really 100% on Roosevelt, but would be a style.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 01, 2008, 10:23:29 PM
Yeah, but the current theme could offer so much if the Herschends were willing to really take it out there. Imagine Roaring falls as a classic Victorian Shoot D' Chutes like what was built at the old World's Fairs; the boardwalk could host more than just basic carnival games, like street performers, side-shows, and special attractions and exhibits; main street could be expanded so that more of the park was an actual Victorian city...
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: History Buff on April 02, 2008, 11:36:29 AM
I love the Roosevelt idea.  I think that's super original.  And it's enough to set the park apart from everything else in the world.  There are several places they could go with it.  It's really not Ozarks, but it's Americana!
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 02, 2008, 08:56:02 PM
Here's a new video showing off a little more of the Roaring Falls area. It actually looks a lot larger than I thought, though the ride itself looks shorter everytime I see it. I can't help but wonder why they didn't go a bit further with the course after or before the drop... http://www.ky3.com/features/branson/17227774.html
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on May 05, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
I couldn't resist making another post.  I've been reading a lot of great reviews of Roaring Falls, and found a really great picture that demonstrates just how big of a splash the ride provides.  CC's GM was talking about the ride and apparently not only does it have concrete water-squirting crocodiles and hippos, but also Amazon sounds and a mister.  The Amazon theme must not be as subtle as I thought.  Below is the pic of the big splash (click to enlarge):
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Coaster on May 05, 2008, 06:04:25 PM
Wow. That is pretty big. *Grabs umbrella*
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 05, 2008, 06:54:23 PM
Hence the name "SuperSplash". I just wish they had sprung for the bridge.

I can sort of see why they went with the Amazon theme now, it does give them more opportunities for cool theming... but I still wonder what it means for future expansions.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on May 07, 2008, 10:29:56 AM
I found the stats on Roaring Falls.  Here they are:

SPLASH HEIGHT: 60+ Feet 
Ride Time: 110 Seconds 
Height: 5 Stories
Drop Angle:  55 Degrees
Ride Length:  575 Feet
Capacity: 20 passengers/boat
              800 riders per hour with 2 boats 
Water in River and Pool: 250,000 gallons 
Location:  New area of the park near the Boardwalk 
Height Restriction: 48 inches
Construction & Theme: Herschend Family Entertainment
Ride Design: Hopkins Rides LLC, Haines City, FL
Date Opening: April 2008

Pretty standard.  A quick ride with a nice splash.  Hopkins Rides has designed rides for Dollywood and Wild Adventures.  If you're curious about Hopkins Rides you can go to their website (http://www.hopkinsrides.com (http://www.hopkinsrides.com)), but I warn you it is perhaps the worst site I have seen in a long time.  I find it interesting that HFE constructed the ride themselves.  I guess that makes sense and saves money, but I figured they would contract out the work.

Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 07, 2008, 12:19:42 PM
They build all of their rides that go into the parks.  They built TGS last year with S&S overseeing construction, they built PowderKeg, again with S&S overseeing construction -- shoot they even built WildFire
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Coaster on May 07, 2008, 06:05:03 PM
^Hmm. That is interesting. I didn't know they did that. They must be one of the few parks that do that on their own.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Hatfield McCoy on May 16, 2008, 10:34:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-theme at all even though my family has come to love the Celebration City atmosphere.  I am sure that the Herschend's are looking at the possibility because of the poorer perfomance of Celebration City and the recent purchase of Wild Adventures.  They could borrow ideas and plans from the sister park, much the way they do with Silver Dollar City and Dollywood.  The zoo animals might be a huge draw.  The Ozark Wildcat could remain the same as it would fit right in the theme. 
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on May 16, 2008, 02:47:28 PM
^I hadn't thought about the possiblity of CC and Wild Adventures becoming sister parks.  That's certainly a possiblity.  Perhaps the theming of Roaring Falls is the beginning of a transition.  HFE certainly has experience borrowing ideas/plans with the SDC/DW pairing.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 17, 2008, 12:44:33 AM
They became sister parks when WA was bought by HFEC, but I understand what you are getting at.  I still not convinced a complete retheme will occur here, but it is obvious that things will change in the near future at CC
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 27, 2008, 11:30:06 PM
Just in case there's anyone else here who, like myself, didn't get to CC (not that I didn't want to go!), Big Mike over at TPR has a couple of great shots of Roaring Falls that really shows off the landscaping put into it - http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41995&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1380  (SDC photos are on the next page)

Man, I was thinking they were going with the Amazon theme because it would be cheaper to pull off, but they really went to a good bit of effort to theme this, so there goes that theory.

At least it looks really nice.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on August 28, 2008, 12:10:50 AM
^You're right, it looks really nice.  They definitely put more time, money, and thought into the theming than I thought they did.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Johnny Boy on August 30, 2008, 10:13:01 PM
How has CC's attendance been this year?
I went last year, and it was pretty bad...
I'm going tommarow most likely, I've been wanting to try out
Roaring Falls for a while now.
I'm hoping it isn't exactly like the one at six Flags St. Louis, but since this one came from a Six Flags, I have a feeling it is.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on August 31, 2008, 12:19:42 PM
^I've heard it's been flat--about the same as last year.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 31, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
^Ug, and after installing such a huge new ride no less... Meh, maybe Roaring Falls is the reason they didn't go negative. Still though, if that's what the situation is I think another small flat is the most we can hope for. Heck, with this kind of performance, I'm sure there are more ideas for better uses of the land floating around HFEC than ever before. Maybe we'll get an aquarium.  ::)
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
^They already own one in Branson West.  ;D
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on August 31, 2008, 02:15:33 PM
^Ug, and after installing such a huge new ride no less... Meh, maybe Roaring Falls is the reason they didn't go negative. Still though, if that's what the situation is I think another small flat is the most we can hope for. Heck, with this kind of performance, I'm sure there are more ideas for better uses of the land floating around HFEC than ever before. Maybe we'll get an aquarium.  ::)

RF is a great ride, I'm sure.  I haven't ridden it yet.  But it's not even original for the park, IMO.  They already have Shoot-D-Chute, and it's practically right next to RF.  Granted, RF is a shoot-the-chutes and Shoot-D-Chute is a log flume ride, but to me they're the same type of ride.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Ohmigawd and like OzCat and Thunderbolt are rollercoasters and that makes them about exactly the same too.  I call shenanigans!!!  ::)

I mean Really?
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: sdcforever on August 31, 2008, 03:27:52 PM
^I didn't say they were exactly the same, but there's not that much of a difference between a shoot-the-chute ride and a log flume ride.

I just feel that for a park the size of CC they need to make a ride somewhat unique if it's the parks largest expansion to date.
Title: Re: CC's 2008 Project
Post by: Johnny Boy on September 03, 2008, 09:11:08 PM
I rode it last Sunday Afternoon.
I did get REALLY wet, but the whole thing felt kinda sad, since I was one of the only few people riding it.
It's really a shame, they did a nice job with the landscaping around it. I ate at the pasta-pizza-salad place, I forgot the name, something with an M. The salad was good, but the "Soup of the Day" was just chicken noodle, not much of a soup of the day. I get the feeling the "soup of the day" is chicken noodle pretty much every day...