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General Category => Random Talk => Topic started by: sanddunerider on March 12, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
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started this thread to take pressure off of the SDC page...
Disleyland- california, closed
Nascar races closed to the public.. at least 2 of those races.!
College of the Ozarks and Keeter Center - Branson, closed until April.
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Fabulous Fox has canceled shows through end of the month
KC Broadway has canceled shows through end of the month
MSHSAA has canceled all music festivals through end of the month
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Disney world-closed. Which sucks because our local hs band was already on busses headed there to play
Production companies are laying off their employees for 2-3 months. This is caused by cancelled concerts, events, and expos.
The MIAA has postponed all events.
March madness-cancelled
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Big conventions getting cancelled or postponed - Emerald City Comic Con in Seattle is postponed. Planet Comic Con in Kansas City (MO) postponed. Naka Kon in KC (KS) cancelled (but might schedule a later date).
The cancelled cons are really gonna do a number on artists. So many of them rely almost solely on appearing at cons to sell prints/etc. I have friends who might literally lose their house because of the loss of income... Hopefully the US steps up and puts a moratorium on evictions; I know there's at least one US City (San Jose) that has done so.
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I heard today that in KAnsas,
they are thinking putting the local county wide health depts in charge of their county... If they want to close or cancel an event/gathering/school/business they can.. . (sounds like Martial Law to me) NOT real happy about that,,,
KU and KS on extended spring break, with a good chance they will finish the year online..
WOW!!! some of these people really need to step away from the Kool Aid Punch Bowl
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But, not the international quilt show in Kentucky I'm attending in April - 35,000 people from around the world in a small town 4 days jam packed in hallways and conference rooms for lectures and classes, in line for an hour at restaurants with probably half the visitors senior age. :o As of last night, the show people saying they are not going to cancel. I cancelled and lost a lot of deposit money for a week of classes.
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I heard today that in KAnsas,
they are thinking putting the local county wide health depts in charge of their county... If they want to close or cancel an event/gathering/school/business they can.. . (sounds like Martial Law to me) NOT real happy about that,,,
KU and KS on extended spring break, with a good chance they will finish the year online..
WOW!!! some of these people really need to step away from the Kool Aid Punch Bowl
I think that is actually a good idea local in charge of local because they should know what's going on inside their county and close to home better than anyone. I mean at least it's not like China and quarantine a whole city, which would not go good here in the U.S. I just wonder if it would be better to lock down all senior citizen housing and just let the virus go and run it's course instead of dragging it out. I mean it looks like this virus is going to go through the population anyway and the best we can do is slow it down, so it might be better to just get it over with. The sooner it's over with the sooner things can be back to normal, or close to normal. Then we can look forward to it probably coming back again this coming winter, oh boy.
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The reason to slow the spread is to "flatten the curve" so that our hospitals and medical personnel don't get overwhelmed. Italy was too late to do so and now they are triaging. Not a good thing.
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That's probably going to happen anyway.
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Slowing it down is the intent. Some good choices are being made to get this under control. I can deal with a little less entertainment in my life if it saves lives and gets things under control. It still amazes me the amount of people that are on the conspiracy wagon !!! Lots of false information out there. Educate yourself people and do not get your news from internet memes.
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The trouble is this is a new virus and even the experts don't know all the answers at this time. Is it airborne or not, and how long does it live on surfaces? That is just a couple of the important questions.
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closing colleges in the FT Smith area,
kids were told about it today, and have until sunday night to be gone, AND clean out their dorm rooms, and be off the campus entirely
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classess will be fininshed on line.
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Closed until Saturday, March 28: https://www.silverdollarcity.com/coronavirus-update?fbclid=IwAR1TasnIqTaU2oi6CMcr_IaJPub8Y0pX36C5J6T55BOql_vtuFzicspXmfo (https://www.silverdollarcity.com/coronavirus-update?fbclid=IwAR1TasnIqTaU2oi6CMcr_IaJPub8Y0pX36C5J6T55BOql_vtuFzicspXmfo)
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U-Haul is offering a free month of public storage to college students who are getting kicked out of their dorms because of this, which is a really nice gesture.
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State Large Ensemble Music Festivals have been cancelled by MSHSAA through the end of the month.
State MSHSAA Basketball games at JQH Arena have been limited to 150 per team and 3rd Place Games are cancelled
Six Flags St. Louis is Closed through the end of the month
Fox Theatre in St. Louis has cancelled The Bachelor: Live and Charlie & the Chocolate Factory
KC Broadway has cancelled Fiddler on the Roof and Aladdin
Most Universities and Colleges in MO have moved to online classes for the remainder of the school semester
Missouri, Kansas, and Illinois have all declared States of Emergency
Illinois schools are now all closed. Kansas is to follow suit.
In the school district I work in, all off campus trips are cancelled for 5 weeks including sporting events - which basically end our Spring Sports.
We were told today to start prepping to go to online classes in the near future. We’re no longer in “IF” but “WHEN”
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chuches closing in the bransons/springfield area...
will hold service online with live stream.
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The CDC is recommending that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.
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This is getting more and more riduculous, they are trying to declare Marshal Law without actually declaring it.
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The CDC is recommending that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.
You can pretty much count on YCW being canceled
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Hopefully all the preventive measures will work. I have had 3 concerts cancelled in the last 3 weeks but I could care less. Take time to be with your family and maybe talk , play games, heck, just enjoy each others company. That is more important than the constant entertainment cycle most people are in. I know this will probably lead my family to do more simple things together in the long run. I consider that a good thing. My backyard fire pit is ready for the summer and actually looking forward to a less hectic existence. Make the most of it folks.
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Well it changes very quickly now, almost minute by minute. The White House is saying now "Over the next 15 days, Americans should not gather in groups of more than 10 people, schooling should be at home and discretionary travel and social visits should be avoided. If anyone in a household tests positive for the virus, everyone who lives there should stay home".
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How do we know we haven’t already had it? This year’s flu was horrible and unlike any I’ve seen before. What if it was the coronavirus instead of the diagnoses of Influenza A or B? Unless they were specifically testing for COVID-19 they’re not going to know the individual had it or not.
In other news, my school district shuts down after tomorrow for two weeks. Supposed to reopen on April 6
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How do we know we haven’t already had it? This year’s flu was horrible and unlike any I’ve seen before. What if it was the coronavirus instead of the diagnoses of Influenza A or B? Unless they were specifically testing for COVID-19 they’re not going to know the individual had it or not.
In other news, my school district shuts down after tomorrow for two weeks. Supposed to reopen on April 6
A month ago I felt really bad, tired, chest hurt, dizzy, (but no fever or cough) lasted about four days - had a blood test, flu test, chest x-ray, and EKG which all came back negative. I ended up diagnosing myself with altitude sickness from flying in an airplane. I guess with no cough or fever I didn't have the COVID-19 but my chest hurt for no apparent reason.
All Good Now.
Jay
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How do we know we haven’t already had it? This year’s flu was horrible and unlike any I’ve seen before. What if it was the coronavirus instead of the diagnoses of Influenza A or B? Unless they were specifically testing for COVID-19 they’re not going to know the individual had it or not.
In other news, my school district shuts down after tomorrow for two weeks. Supposed to reopen on April 6
I heard on the Today show that there were thousands of people walking around with it that did not know it. I guess for some people the symptoms are so mild that they don't think anything of it. The way I understand it is there is more of a breathing problem with COVID-19 than regular flu, like shortness of breath. So yes, I would say there is going to be a lot of people that have it or had it that will never be tested and never really know.
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How do we know we haven’t already had it? This year’s flu was horrible and unlike any I’ve seen before. What if it was the coronavirus instead of the diagnoses of Influenza A or B? Unless they were specifically testing for COVID-19 they’re not going to know the individual had it or not.
In other news, my school district shuts down after tomorrow for two weeks. Supposed to reopen on April 6
This was floating around in China in late Oct/early Nov. There is a tweet on the WHO twitter feed in mid Jan where Chinese Authorities were claimig of no evidence of person to person transmission. Two weeks late they were locking down Wuhan and Teumpmwas banning air travel from there. Europe was was open for business and out esteemed media was claiming Trump racist over his ban. As we stand now, most cases in the US came from the Europe(Italy) backdoor.
XNA had over 900k deplanements last year, 10 percent of that was international. So, nearly 100k and a good bit of that is Asian travel. There is still not a confirmed case case in NWA but there is zero chance that it isn't present. Let's take the New Jersey Nets, 4 tested positive today, 3 are asymptomatic and one is showing very mild symptoms. Without the NBA testing in the current environment, it is doubtful that any of the 4 would have a clue. I believe it has been going onundiagnosed for a good long while.
This is an epidemiologist at Stanford. It is worth the time to see a contrarian view of this hysteria
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
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We just got our first confirmed case in Cole County (Jefferson City MO area) and it is travel related.
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It's crazy how the rich and famous are suddenly coming down with it left and right. Almost like the virus has spread everywhere and no one spotted it because no tests were available.
There is still so much that is unknown about this virus. What is known is that it is indeed much worse than the flu, and hospitals are going to be swamped. I am very strongly encouraging everyone to blunt the force of this thing by staying home as much as possible for awhile. It's such a small sacrifice that could help so many.
Here's the light at the end of the tunnel though: it turns out most people won't even know their body has fought it off. A lot of cases are asymptomatic. They did blanket testing on a village in italy and found it had spread further already than anyone had imagined, but most people didn't even realize they had it. Most will get lucky. Some will get very sick. Some will have lasting damage, and yes, some will perish. As callous as it sounds though, I think the realization will set in over a couple months that most who were going to get it will have got it and survived.
By the time summer hits, people will want to get back to their regular lives and there will be no appetite left for self-quarantine, even if there are still plenty of old people to kill. That's good news for the economy, but horrible for society. It still a long wait for a vaccine... Will we keep our old people caged up for the next year?
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An important thing to remember: there is a big explosion of positive tests, but that is not the same thing as an explosion of infected people.
Before testing, there were no confirmed cases, right? That didn't mean there were no cases.
Like most respiratory illnesses, the vast majority who contract it will never even know they had it. They will be asymptomatic, or have mild symptoms not unlike a common cold or mild flu. They will have no reason to even be tested.
Of course, they can still spread it to other people. Is that worth the lockdown decrees we've seen? I don't think so, but I'm not an epidemiologist.
I do have to say, working in the grocery business, that restricting hours and shutting down restaurants is exactly the wrong thing to do. People still have to eat, and forcing them into already overcrowded grocery stores, where their "social distancing" is reduced even further, and all under reduced hours which means people can't shop when fewer people are present, creates even more opportunities for the virus to spread.
New Hampshire (where I live) is currently at 26 confirmed cases (out of 742 tested, with 208 tests pending). Zero hospitalizations: all are self-isolating at home. And zero deaths in the state.
And yet, the governor declared a ban on any planned gathering of over 50 people. All restaurants are restricted to delivery or takeout only.
That last one really gets me -- how many people are crowded in, milling around, talking and waiting for their to-go order to be ready, when instead they could be sitting down in the dining area, farther apart from one another?
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I am like everybody else when it comes to COVID-19, which is I really don't know very much. The real numbers nobody seems to know or really have a grasp on. I read an article on MSN that was from the Washington Post last night that was done by The Imperial College London Group. If you want to take the time to read it you can. This study or report they say is why the U.S. is changing their attitude so quickly about the virus. If it is true or even close it is the most....well frightning thing I have read or heard about COVID-19. Here is the article.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-chilling-scientific-paper-helped-upend-us-and-uk-coronavirus-strategies/ar-BB11jVNP?li=BBnb7Kz
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Yeah, the Imperial College report is probably one of the most important things released so far. I really highly recommend people read it, or at least read a decent summary of it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html
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All Kansas schools are closed and won’t have in person instruction the rest of the school year
In Missouri most schools are now closed temporarily. Wright City and Warrenton have announced permanent closure for the school year much like the Kansas schools.
Missouri has its first death from COVID-19 today. A 60 year old man in Columbia who has traveled aboard. We are up to 26 cases as of this evening in MO
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Yeah, the Imperial College report is probably one of the most important things released so far. I really highly recommend people read it, or at least read a decent summary of it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html
If it's terrifying, it's probably not accurate.
We have exactly one instance of an entire community in close quarters being exposed and 100% tested: the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Of the 3,711 passengers and crew, 696 (less than 20%) tested positive. Of those who tested positive, 7 (1%) died.
This was in a tightly confined group who were mostly in the most vulnerable age range.
"In addition to the relatively low infection rate despite being several weeks in close quarters, it’s basically the only case where we have a true controlled experiment where 100% of passengers [and he obviously means “and crew”] were tested and we know exactly who got it. It has everything all the other stats are lacking: a reliable numerator and a complete 100% accounted for denominator, plus known locations of all passengers."
https://www.econlib.org/my-bet-on-covid-19-and-why-i-might-lose/
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Looks like maybe May 16 for an opening date? Ugh.
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Keep in mind...
SDC is NOT in Branson city limits...
therefore whatever "rules" branson city passes...... doesnt pertain to SDC
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We’ve effectively entered a police state. :o
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We’ve effectively entered a police state. :o
YEP!! >:(..
Just waiting for Martial Law, :o :o
And Curfew!! >:( >:( >:(
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All Cedar Fair parks and properties will remain closed through Mid-May according to a chain wide announcement made today.
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Stone county has announced similar restrictions. Not as long on their order though.
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It's crazy how the rich and famous are suddenly coming down with it left and right. Almost like the virus has spread everywhere and no one spotted it because no tests were available.
There is still so much that is unknown about this virus. What is known is that it is indeed much worse than the flu, and hospitals are going to be swamped. I am very strongly encouraging everyone to blunt the force of this thing by staying home as much as possible for awhile. It's such a small sacrifice that could help so many.
Here's the light at the end of the tunnel though: it turns out most people won't even know their body has fought it off. A lot of cases are asymptomatic. They did blanket testing on a village in italy and found it had spread further already than anyone had imagined, but most people didn't even realize they had it. Most will get lucky. Some will get very sick. Some will have lasting damage, and yes, some will perish. As callous as it sounds though, I think the realization will set in over a couple months that most who were going to get it will have got it and survived.
By the time summer hits, people will want to get back to their regular lives and there will be no appetite left for self-quarantine, even if there are still plenty of old people to kill. That's good news for the economy, but horrible for society. It still a long wait for a vaccine... Will we keep our old people caged up for the next year?
This has been floating around for months, it went undiagnosed by chalked up as the flu anyways..I have a friend that teaches in Bentonville and went in to the Doctor and tested for the flu(she has had a hack for a month now) she showed negative but he treated her for it any. His words to her was that there has to be a version going around that the test isn't picking up.
Italy was doomed. There is a large Chinese diaporanofnchinese there making "Made in Italy" bags and clothing. Just after Trump banned travel from China , thousands upon thousand flew back to Italy from the region this came from after their new year's celebration., combined with Italy's old population and Chinese propaganda promoting Italians to Hug a Chinese person cause they are not a virus but a person campaign, you get what you got.
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Yeah, the Imperial College report is probably one of the most important things released so far. I really highly recommend people read it, or at least read a decent summary of it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html
If it's terrifying, it's probably not accurate.
We have exactly one instance of an entire community in close quarters being exposed and 100% tested: the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Of the 3,711 passengers and crew, 696 (less than 20%) tested positive. Of those who tested positive, 7 (1%) died.
This was in a tightly confined group who were mostly in the most vulnerable age range.
"In addition to the relatively low infection rate despite being several weeks in close quarters, it’s basically the only case where we have a true controlled experiment where 100% of passengers [and he obviously means “and crew”] were tested and we know exactly who got it. It has everything all the other stats are lacking: a reliable numerator and a complete 100% accounted for denominator, plus known locations of all passengers."
https://www.econlib.org/my-bet-on-covid-19-and-why-i-might-lose/
This
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I just got back from my local Wal-Mart and I was a little surprised at what was going on. They were out of all paper supplies including toilet paper which was no surprise. As I walked around I found they were out of eggs, pasta, rice, hamburger, and almost out of ramen, lunch meat and a lot of frozen food products. The real surprise was when we were told we could only purchase one loaf of bread and had to put 1 back, limiting one per family. We also had picked up a couple of Axe body wash that was on the clearance isle for $1 a piece. When we were told we could only purchase one of these also because they were limiting 1 shampoo product per family.
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We also had picked up a couple of Axe body wash that was on the clearance isle for $1 a piece. When we were told we could only purchase one of these also because they were limiting 1 shampoo product per family.
You lucked out there, and society thanks you.
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We also had picked up a couple of Axe body wash that was on the clearance isle for $1 a piece. When we were told we could only purchase one of these also because they were limiting 1 shampoo product per family.
You lucked out there, and society thanks you.
I guess so......I never thought I would see the day I would be limited to 1 shampoo product.
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We also had picked up a couple of Axe body wash that was on the clearance isle for $1 a piece. When we were told we could only purchase one of these also because they were limiting 1 shampoo product per family.
You lucked out there, and society thanks you.
I guess so......I never thought I would see the day I would be limited to 1 shampoo product.
The fewer Axe products there are, the better. ;) ;D
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Cedar Fair parks are more closed through Mid-May
SDC is Closed through Mid-April
KC Metro has Closed all 14 school districts on MO side through April 24
MO DESE has closed all MO schools through April 6 and canceled State testing
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We also had picked up a couple of Axe body wash that was on the clearance isle for $1 a piece. When we were told we could only purchase one of these also because they were limiting 1 shampoo product per family.
You lucked out there, and society thanks you.
I guess so......I never thought I would see the day I would be limited to 1 shampoo product.
The fewer Axe products there are, the better. ;) ;D
They suckered me in on the $1 price :)
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Cedar Fair parks are more closed through Mid-May
SDC is Closed through Mid-April
KC Metro has Closed all 14 school districts on MO side through April 24
MO DESE has closed all MO schools through April 6 and canceled State testing
Unless things change quickly it sure looks like 2020 is a lost year for everyone, and actually no guarantees past that.
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Im curious, where did you see that SDC is closed through mid-April? That seems like a very generous date seeing how things have been progressing over the last few days. But, just to add to the confusion, some employees in a facebook group are saying that they're still trying to open on the 28th. That seems especially unlikely. Though, until the park officially updates us on the situation, i really don't know what to expect.
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Yeah, they aren't opening in a week, or even several weeks. They will have to keep pushing it back. In fact, the craziness is literally just beginning. By mid April hospitals throughout the country will be maxing out their ICU beds (based on current capacity). Since America was so massively under prepared and so many are not or unable to perform proper social distancing, this thing is going to surprise everyone.
The crazy thing is that you don't even know you got exposed and then one day 5-14 days later you wake up feeling like there's a belt around your chest. That huge lag factor makes it so much worse.
We won't get back to "normal" anytime soon. It's hard to look through the next couple months and know what the world is going to look like. 1% will die based on everyone getting good care, but once the overruns start happening, it can spike much higher than that. Then you start thinking about all the lasting effects of pneumonia and what that means for a whole generation who got it at once... We are going to hurt for a long, long time.
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Im curious, where did you see that SDC is closed through mid-April? That seems like a very generous date seeing how things have been progressing over the last few days. But, just to add to the confusion, some employees in a facebook group are saying that they're still trying to open on the 28th. That seems especially unlikely. Though, until the park officially updates us on the situation, i really don't know what to expect.
My mistake. I thought they had already made that public. I guess I spoke too soon. The government of Stone County made that decision for them. There’s more behind the scenes reasons but I guess I’ll refrain from saying it’s official official until the park makes a statement
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I was in London March 8-10 and then in northern England (near Sheffield) from the 10 until the 20th and then back in London the 21 and flew home the 22nd. They are more prepared... but people in London in particular are not taking it seriously even though the government seems to be. I was supposed to stay until the 29th but things were changing there and here too fast and I was afraid to get stuck there and since I don't have sponsorship/visa yet, all of my things are still in Springfield.
Anyway, by mid last week, things were shutting down. Take away only. Or closed entirely. By the time I got back to London there was almost nothing open. I was staying in a hotel and really barely able to find food within walking distance. I wanted to go into London but all was closed. Heathrow on Sunday was busier than I expected, but nowhere near as busy as it usually is. People were walking around with masks. Some had on like hazmat type suits and goggles as well. The flight from Heathrow to Atlanta was packed. But Atlanta was a ghost town. Again, no restaurants were open really. And my flight back to Springfield had 12 people.
There are many things we are not getting information wise here... This is bad. And going to get REALLY bad if we don't take proper measures. Italy, I still don't know WHY Italy, is in complete lockdown. Parts of SPain are as well. London is close to complete... but no one is following the order there. It is going to be really bad there. And if we don't take proper measures, we in the midwest are going to get hit hard... it is just going to take awhile to get here.
I am on 14 day quarantine required by CDC. I was in areas with multiple cases. I kind of expect that I will get it... But I am at least home with my puppies and not stuck in a hotel room
If you are not taking all this seriously... you are a fool
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Italy, I still don't know WHY Italy, is in complete lockdown.
The reason for Italy is because there are a lot of Chinese-run sweat shops located there. By having them in Italy, they b still put “Made in Italy” on the items (even though they probably should say “Made in China”). A lot of the workers returned from China after the New Years festivities and came back infected. The incubation time worked against Italy and when they realized what was going on, it was too late.
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Italy, I still don't know WHY Italy, is in complete lockdown.
The reason for Italy is because there are a lot of Chinese-run sweat shops located there. By having them in Italy, they b still put “Made in Italy” on the items (even though they probably should say “Made in China”). A lot of the workers returned from China after the New Years festivities and came back infected. The incubation prof worked against Italy and when they realized what was going on, it was too late.
The Chinese were funding a marketing campaign in Italy asking them to hig a Chinese person as they were not a virus, playing off people's fear of being unwoke. This was happening at the same time thousands upon thousands of Chinese were coming back from the Lunar New Year festivities back home. Italians containment efforts were too little too late from the Florence area and north. That stuff spread via the packed train stations like one one could imagine as these Chinese got back from the airports to their villages where the chinese run sweat shops are at.
This video was posted a month ago, you do the math
https://youtu.be/8o_uXF9B4KI
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This is just unreal
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-behind-highly-cited-coronavirus-model-admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model
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From an unbiased source:
"He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks."
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/#ixzz6HocWwffQ
Here's the video of him reporting to the committee; so no paraphrasing:
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1242797985139957760
His new calculations take into account the preparations the UK have done to try to flatten the curve, and apparently it's working.
But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system. Secondly, there are still too many people not taking the "stay at home" orders seriously, and there are many states that haven't even locked down at all.
The Imperial College report gave multiple predictions based on how much or how little action is taken to flatten the curve. The UK did what was needed and so they will hit the lower range of the predictions. The US? Not even remotely.
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The daily wire is a far right wing fake news site. The coronavirus numbers are continuing to accelerate and deaths are happening at an alarming rate both in the UK and US. Here is the article that the daily wire is basing some of its reporting on: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/
What Neil Ferguson is apparently saying is that the UK has done a good job adjusting and he now expects them to avoid the absolute worst case scenario if they hold to it. He is not saying the danger has passed or that he messed up the original estimates. There are still all kinds of assumptions and predictions being thrown around. We know more than we did last week, but everyone is still trying to figure this all out and the data is coming in as a live stream.
The idea that the virus has been spreading undetected and that most people who get it aren't even going to notice is highly enticing to those who want to get back to normal. I get it, I want to get back to normal too. The thing is that there are plenty of examples happening right now of hospitals getting overwhelmed, supply shortages, and deaths of even young healthy people. The risk is real and the consequences are staring us in the face, even if a good percentage of the US will ultimately be fine. Why is everyone so quick to gamble with their lives and the lives of those around them?
Today the US surpassed 1,000 deaths. We are just reaching two months after the first reported US case, and now we have somewhere in the vicinity of 70,000 cases growing by over 10,000 each day (at this point it's going as fast as testing allows).
The UK is taking things more seriously and helping to flatten the curve, but they are going to have a lot of deaths as well and I'm not sure that revised number makes much sense unless they really knock it back. The US is simply screwed. We still don't get it. The way we live our usual lives is totally incompatible with how we have to live to stop this virus. So many people aren't willing to adapt well enough or quickly enough.
Ultimately, the number of total deaths are highly dependent on how fast they can ram through useful treatments and the eventual vaccine. If we can just hold the line and do what we can to limit the spread for a few more weeks, hopefully the first wave will fall off and the systems will get a chance to adjust.
Moderna's human vaccine trials start early summer. Hopefully they get quick results and can fast track it. They say they might start producing it by end of summer if it shows good initial results. Could be distributing it by Fall, if it works...
Hydroxychloroquine testing is ongoing. China says it doesn't work, but I think we've learned to ignore everything they say by now. Some real studies should show results in a couple of weeks. Other treatments are also being tested, but again, it will be a few weeks just to get initial data.
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The UK didn't start shutting things down until 2 days ago. Not sure how people think they are handling it so much better. The best example to look at for this virus is the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Only 20% on the ship even caught it and that is with being in close quarters. It is very likely some people were already immune to it before this outbreak.
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"The UK didn't start shutting things down until 2 days ago." - This is not true. I was there from March 8 until March 22.
just over w week ago even northern England where I was (Gainsborough - 22k people and Sheffield 500k people) had started taking serious measures. All restaurants were pretty much takeaway only. Distancing was in place. Pubs and other places weren't really open. By early last week it had mostly shut things down.
London... well, they finally had to force that issue as people weren't listening. But they were shutting down 1+ weeks ago when I was there
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The UK's NHS is theoretically setup better to handle it than our crazy jumble of disconnected health systems and state governments. Theoretically everyone there has access to care no matter what, and their government can pour resources directly into the system. They can scale up and attack public health issues like this whereas the US is tripping all over itself in a mad dash for supplies.
Also, like Jemmicat says, most European countries are probably better on average about dealing with things as a community. There are always some standout idiots, but people over there are a lot better about observing quarantines and adapting to the situation. In much of the US you have about 80% of people observing social distancing to some extent, but enough people are shrugging it off that it make it much more difficult for the rest of us.
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I am still active at work (essential employment) at XNA and I am astonished myself or other people up there haven't caught it yet considering we have likely had infected people come thru. I have been taking proper measures as have everyone else up there though. Lots of gloves and sanitizer. All of the shops and food court places up there have shut down until further notice at least.
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But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.
You have got to be kidding . . . .
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But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.
You have got to be kidding . . . .
Oh joy (pun intended) I was wondering when politics would be brought into this discussion. ::)
We could have the best healthcare system in the world (which we do) and there’d still be no cure for TDS.
Back to real discussion on the topic, more states (not named Missouri) are cancelling school for the remainder of the school year. Even Canada has done so
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Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.
I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.
Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)
How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?
I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.
God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!
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Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.
I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.
Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)
How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?
I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.
God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!
1. Uninsured does not equal bad healthcare. Those are not related in anyway.
2. Bye
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But here in the US... well, firstly, we have a terrible healthcare system.
You have got to be kidding . . . .
Ck point! I wouldn't want to get sick in ANY OTHER COUNTRY OTHER THAN THE USA.
::)
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I am getting ready to go into the NHS in the UK. And I am thrilled with that. Have any of you even been to another country (not counting a resort in Mexico)? Every system has it's flaws... But for example, if you are in the UK and get sick, it is FREEEEEEEE... no matter how much it cost. No matter the treatment. People are not put into bankruptcy because of the medical system. People aren't even paying for prescriptions! Yes, you can get supplemental coverage in the UK and most do as it is sometimes faster. But the treatment is free.
Think about how much for example insulin costs in the US? Think about how it is all shareholder and profit based. And tell me again this is the best country for treatment? Yes, doctors come here from all around the world... it is because they can make more money here. Not necessarily because they are best.
Like Joy, I am quite liberal in most things. And very much a lesbian. And very much an agnostic. And I don't fit in in the middle of the country and I know it. I am college educated and VERY good at what I do with several patents for things I have designed. I research EVERYTHING... And make decisions accordingly. I am thrilled to go to a more diverse country... Just not happening as fast as I had hoped.
But even in things like this thread... people spread false information. No one takes the time to REALLY research anything... whether it be political or health or sexuality/gender or race or whatever. Most tend to believe whatever is told. And that has become the downfall of the whole human race. Most can be easily manipulated... And anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
Think about how many people go out of the US for treatments? Equal care at considerably less cost for most things. The flaw is not the PEOPLE in the healthcare system. The flaw is in the system itself. It is about making money and always will be.
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AND BTW... I am currently on health department quarantine from my trip to the UK. I just started back to the US division of the UK company I am transferring to and I have no health insurance yet. I was out of work from the end of September until beginning of February waiting on the UK and Visa info. Missouri unemployment maxes out at $1280 a month... and I was making that in 4 days work! So if I get sick right now, I will be completely crippled by the medical debt. So far, no symptoms although I was all over the UK where cases were - even places I was working on this project.
So... after just having a real paycheck coming in again, I could be completely crippled by medical debt if I get sick. And all of the people who are sick are also racking up massive medical debt. We may have the "best medical in the world" but if no one can live because of crippling debt after the treatment, is it worth it? As opposed to people in Canada and the UK who have the treatment free
This coronavirus is stretching the health system here to its limits... but they will recover. It is the financial strain on all who get it that will be harder to overcome than the long term health effects. And here is something fundamentally wrong with that
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Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get.
I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.
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Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get.
I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.
I mean you could go the other way with that and wonder how many of the Never-Trump people will accept the check that was made possible by the bill he signed into law. See just as stupid to spin it that way.
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Someone linked unironically to a right-wing news site. I wasn't the one who brought "politics" into the mix. Also, how is discussing the state of our healthcare political? It's simply fact.
I have a feeling the people who think we have a great healthcare system are not poor and disabled like people like me.
Also, tell me how a healthcare system can be great when a single hospital-grade ventilator costs between $25,000 and $50,000. (https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/what-is-a-ventilator-how-much-does-one-cost.html)
How can a healthcare system be great when so many people are uninsured? When so many people call Uber or Lyft to take them to the hospital because it's cheaper than an ambulance?
I'm thisclose to straight-up leaving this forum. I have seen too many back-handed right-wing, racist comments over the last few years, and I honestly feel unwelcome here.
God, I hate politics, and I hate President Anusmouth, and yeah, I've decided to go scorched earth here because I am so DONE with all of this.
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho!
See ya.
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Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get.
I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.
It isnt “pandering” if you believe in it.
I certainly agree with and genuinely appreciate, however, your choice to simply skip it and go your own way if you don’t like it, instead of complaining about it and trying to paint the park and those who do like it as horrible people and “change must happen now!” Etc etc in an attempt to change the park from what it is and always has been into another unchristian,unpatriotic, worldly place.
So thank you for your choice to simply “agree to disagree” and appreciate the aspects of the park you enjoy.
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AND BTW... I am currently on health department quarantine from my trip to the UK. I just started back to the US division of the UK company I am transferring to and I have no health insurance yet. I was out of work from the end of September until beginning of February waiting on the UK and Visa info. Missouri unemployment maxes out at $1280 a month... and I was making that in 4 days work! So if I get sick right now, I will be completely crippled by the medical debt. So far, no symptoms although I was all over the UK where cases were - even places I was working on this project.
So... after just having a real paycheck coming in again, I could be completely crippled by medical debt if I get sick. And all of the people who are sick are also racking up massive medical debt. We may have the "best medical in the world" but if no one can live because of crippling debt after the treatment, is it worth it? As opposed to people in Canada and the UK who have the treatment free
This coronavirus is stretching the health system here to its limits... but they will recover. It is the financial strain on all who get it that will be harder to overcome than the long term health effects. And here is something fundamentally wrong with that
-Do you also fall into the category as those you speak of who are uninformed, or are you “kidding yourself” into thinking you are not?
-There is no such thing as free. It does not exist.
-Is there any chance that govt intervention has increased health costs?
-Is there anyone who chooses to come to America for heath treatment?
-Do you really think other health care systems/economies are somehow NOT strained by the current virus situation?
Do you not have insurance?
I hope you are well and do not suffer medically, emotionally, or financially during this unprecedented and difficult time.
(although Im sure we all will to a small degree.)
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Bye Joy! Do you liberals really think your Dementia patient Biden would be better? Lol!
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1. Healthcare is not FREE no matter what country you live in. You may not pay for it at the time of treatment but I can bet you are paying substantially higher taxes. The money has to come from somewhere. The contractors who build hospitals are not working for free. The drug companies are not giving away drugs. The suppliers are not giving all their stuff away. The doctors are not working for free and neither is the janitor.
2. I am of the opinion the issue with the astronautical cost of healthcare in this country is due to the insurance companies. It is like body work on a car, if the insurance is paying the cost goes way up. If you are paying you can get things done much cheaper. I have heard some doctors will even cut deals if it is a cash situation.
3. I really do not get all of the hate for Trump. I have not heard any rational arguments when he gets called a racists, or whatever term gets thrown at him for the day. It just seems no matter what he does, it is always the wrong answer to some people. When he locked down travel to/from China he was called a racist. Then he was blamed because he did not lock travel down soon enough. So which is it?
4. I assume all of the people who say Trump is not their president will not be accepting any checks when they arrive, they will return them to sender, correct?
5. I find it very odd how this whole virus thing has been turned into a big media frenzy. When Obama had his virus deal I do not recall hearing much about it at all and the numbers on it were much more deadly from what I recall. It just seems something fishy is going on to me, but what do I know.
6. This is a group for discussion SDC, I really do not see why politics even need to be brought into it. However, when folks have a different point of view from myself, I do not get all bent out of shape and start name calling. If I do not like what they have to say, I just scroll on. If people want to leave because they think being a Republican is racist or thinking Trump is doing a great job, then that would be your loss.
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Again.. Do your research. I have extensively with this move. My taxes there are going to be about 10%-15% less than I pay here AND include health care so YES it is "free".
And honestly, I made too much to get a check from this stimulus in the 2018 tax year. So no, I won't be cashing it as I won't be getting it... That being said, my finances in 2019 ended up not being good with a company closing a division and then my being too overqualified for most of the positions in this area... so I was on unemployment for 4 months and blew through most of my savings just surviving.
And yes I will say I am uninformed on many things... There are things I don't care about that I don't bother researching. For example, I do not have cable and only watch streamed shows. I don't see commercials or anything like that. So people will ask me to a movie and I have never even heard of the movie or know what it is about. Sure, I could research that, but does't really matter to me. Things like some politics, well, I do my research
As far as Trump... All I can say is look and READ news from around the world. When I was in the UK I was asked by EVERYONE about him. The world does not have a good opinion. Personally, I have an issue when anyone tries to govern with religious laws as it is no different than muslim countries ruling by shariah law. And his rulings on the LGBT community have directly affected me and people I know. These are things he has done. So no, I am not a fan. Hate? No... wouldn't go that far... but I know that he has hurt my community.
Again, the media thing was big in THE WHOLE WORLD. This is a WORLD crisis. I can't tell you why it wasn't big during Obama... I had a lot going on then and don't remember much. But I have found with this UK thing that there is so much going on in the world that we in the US have no clue about. We think we are the center of the world and ignore the rest. It was just as big of a deal in the UK as it is here with the media. Good bad or ugly, they are trying to save lives. Perhaps they should have been more vigilant in the Obama era. I can't say.
As far as pandering... It pretty much is. I mean, when you are performing (and I am a lead guitar player in a band in Springfield for a little while longer), when you KNOW you are going to play a certain song or say a certain thing and the crowd is going to react, of course it is pandering. It is absolutely no different than the norm of an "encore" at any concert you go to these days. I would rather they just play the whole set rather than take a break then do their "encore". It is so staged now. Just as these shows stage the religious and patriotic stuff. It is not my thing and I avoid it. I will leave at that section or stay seated. I mean, I've not stood or done anything for the american flag/national anthem for over 20 years. I have my reasons. I don't make a big deal of it. I don't try and force my views on anyone... Which is totally different than most on both sides.
And NO currently I do not have health insurance. It is a 60 day wait after starting... I think it kicks in next week. So hopefully I do not get sick...
I think all economies are strained by this. I saw it firsthand in the UK and I see it here as well.
As far as people coming to america for treatment, absolutely some come here for treatment... But they are the rich people who can afford it all without insurance and where a treatment is not offered where they are. I mean, how many people are traveling out of the US for STEM cell treatment? Some countries have restrictions on procedures and if they can afford to pay for it, they go where they can have it done.
Maybe I am a bit jaded with my ideas of the NHS in the UK. Ask me again in 6 months... but I know no one there is going to go into debt for their medical treatments... I see posts all the time with people wanting money in their gofund me account just for treatments to keep them alive. Something is wrong there
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I have many strong political opinions. After all, I am a state representative currently holding office. And in my private sector job, I'm "essential" in a very essential industry, so I'm working more hours than ever before.
But I don't share those opinions here. SDC, and SDCFans, are not places where we should feel divided. This is where we come to share what we love in common, and all our memories from over the decades.
Let us all do all we can to help those who need it. Be a good neighbor. Check on your elderly folks and others who are feeling especially vulnerable and isolated. Keep your distance, wash your hands, and do your best to carry on with life as best you can while being careful for everyone's sake.
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Joy, Jemmicat, Hang in there. I too am agnostic and Anti Trump. Seems like someone is always trying to slyly get their political views into this forum but I just disregard the ignorance. I wonder how many of them will accept the socialist government check they are about to get.
I have found out you can enjoy SDC and Branson without worshiping the GGG. Just skip all the pandering patriotic , religious stuff and go your own way. Best of luck to you.
I mean you could go the other way with that and wonder how many of the Never-Trump people will accept the check that was made possible by the bill he signed into law. See just as stupid to spin it that way.
Sorry, Mitt Romney was the first senator who proposed the payment. The senate wrote the bill and it was passed by the house and senate. All Trump did was sign it. The entire thing is just a socialist program.
Bye Joy! Do you liberals really think your Dementia patient Biden would be better? Lol!
LMAO, Have you heard Trump try to make a beautiful complete coherent sentence ?
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I'm going to ban anyone else who takes cheap political jabs. It's one thing to point out bias, but attacking other users is way over the line. Let's just avoid bringing up politicians or right/left from this point forward.
This is supposed to be a light-hearted site, and though this particular thread is a serious discussion, let us stay focused on the coronavirus itself and the immediate implications of our healthcare system.
400 people died yesterday in the USA from confirmed COVID cases. The numbers are still on pretty much a vertical climb nationally.
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400 people died yesterday in the USA from confirmed COVID cases. The numbers are still on pretty much a vertical climb nationally.
Yes but how many have recovered after testing positive for COVID-19? That’s the important number and one that will not get reported. Not because of any political bias, but more so because hospitals are not required to report discharged patient numbers.
Yes it is a big health crisis. No it’s not as bad as it is being reported. No that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take proper precautions.
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I keep hearing people with these numbers. One politician says 800 people died on Thursday. A website says 400 died yesterday. Yet the total deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC, remain at around 1250, still less than a 1.5% mortality rate. Of course, that number changes daily, but to remain consistent, that's where I check for them.
Here's another article to add to your research, this one from the decidedly left-leaning NPR:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/821958435/why-death-rates-from-coronavirus-can-be-deceiving
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Here is a site that is very trusted and I presume accurate about Coronavirus cases, deaths and recovered. It is updated daily.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Yes, I've been checking worldometer. Not sure they are 100% accurate, but at this point I assume any numbers are conservative estimates anyway. Lots of "a really bad flu w/ pneumonia" going around... I hope the antibody tests will reveal that it went farther than known and more people have gotten over it already.
The numbers aren't too scary yet, I'll give you that, but it's like a tsunami that you can see coming from miles away. Hospitals are already stressed in many areas and the wave is just beginning to hit. It's worth noting that the current total daily death count will put us far over a bad flu year, so there goes that comparison finally and unfortunately. Still a small percentage, but what everyone is worried about is what happens when the system collapses.
Heard there is a raging debate about how to decide who gets a ventilator when they run out. There will be endless lawsuits if someone is denied due to being elderly or disabled, but who would you choose: a 5 year old or an 80 year old? The US won't be able to make any blanket statements like Italy to decide who gets one due to civil rights laws. I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
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A bit of an oddball question about the park and COVID-19, since the park had to push their opening date back, do you think they're taking the time to catch up on some essential projects around the park, and will Mystic's construction be ramped up? I say that because my high school is currently remodeling and adding on a fine arts to the school, and construction has been ramped up 105% due to no kids being there.
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Much has been made of Italy it's death rate. Turns out Italy, particularly Northern Italy always struggle with flue and respiratory illnesses. The media has ignored this phenomenon that has been studied.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285?fbclid=IwAR0_ekjpMZnQT4PKdvI9h_ffBSHNDw3Qi-yR6rwptFQ-wOpp32Kehd7pMb0#bib0050
And Joy's comments about our health care system is misinformed. Our system is asked to much more than those with "better" systems. Most countries that rank higher than us are much smaller and waaaaayyyyyy more homogeneous . The quality of care is just franking fine and our specialist are astonishing but as long as you have a social welfare system that gives out money (SNAP) that you can buy sugary soda and junk food, you'll have way more issues our system has to deal with compared to others. Our system is asked to do way much more than other systems and that is because of our societal choices and our vastly different mix of people. Our health care isn't the problem but our lifestyle choices.
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While I don't agree with everything Chittlins said, i do agree with a lot of it. We, as a country, create most of our own health problems. We are, in general, a very obese country and I believe that is the cause of many of our health issues. Whether it be diabetes or heart disease or the myriad of other issues that come with that. I say that as someone who is currently overweight! I had a health issue 10 years ago that messed up my lungs and I gained 100 pounds. I recently lost 60 pounds but I am not as small as I used to be. According to research, I am "average" clothing size for a woman in the US and going into any Wal Mart that seems ike maybe I am a bit smaller. Anyway, although research shows that I am slightly over average in the UK, I can count the number of people I would say are obese on maybe both hands in 3 trips - and 2 of those I spent extensive time in London. They seem healthier. They walk everywhere. As I do when I am there. They think nothing of a mile or 2 walk to get to a train whereas we here will jump in a car to go 2 blocks. The food portion size there is mostly smaller. And it is REALLY hard to find soda with sugar. Coke, Pepsi, Dr. Pepper... all were sugar free. At McDonald's, you have to pay an extra 15 cents to get Coke classic with sugar. I had far more fast food while there than I have had in a year plus as I was stuck in a hotel and could not cook.
In my area, cigarettes are $5 a pack... over there they were $12 a pack... I actually just started smoking in the last 8 months (don't ask) and it got real expensive to do that there. We make it cheap enough that it is easy to afford for most people. And I am fully aware of the health issues that come from smoking. But at $12 a pack, there is a real pain point. It hurt every time I bought a pack and I will be rethinking that life choice.
We have made poor food and health choices easy and cheap. And I am as guilty as the next.
But another thing I noticed there is people seem to keep themselves together better as they age. If you look on say Tinder here and I restrict myself to the age I am, there is not a single person within 5 years that I would consider dating. I look much younger than I am and usually date girls considerably younger (16-18 years). But there, the people my own age look like girls in that 16-18 year younger than me range. There does not seem to be as much of that middle age spread that happens here. Is it because of food choices or the exercise or ? I don't know. But it seems to be true - even in the small northern towns.
We've made poor life choices easy and cheap and our medical system takes the brunt of it
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I have a bit of a different perspective. Over the past two years my son has had a condition called ITP. It is quite the mouthful but it is basically a very low platelet count. We have had many visits to various doctors, all great till we have settled with a specialist at Childrens here in NWA. His latest count was 116k which is the first time he has been over 100k since this has started. But anyway, at the beginning it was bruising easily and had some other little signs. I took him to our primary care office. And she did all his vitals and stuff but we asked for and got a blood workup. In anfewbminutea she was back in our exam room telling us he had a platelet count of 41k and if it had been any lower, she would have sent him straight to the hospital. We were refered to an oncologist and in Highlands the very next day and we had Bone marrow biopsy less than 24hrs later. In no other health care system, the speed in which these things happened, especially a socialized system like the NHS in GB. We were told that that by Doctors that spoke well of those systems. You forget that the Gov't just replaces the insurance company but the same kind of red tape exists, the cost thing is baked in the cake and that is the biggest complaint in the US. Back to my son, we had to have a regular regime of a kind of inclusion that is something chemo patients get, the cost was astronomical (200k). The Dr office applied for various grants and things for our son and we never paid a dime outside of our regular office co pay. The treatment wasn't as successful as we hoped but it did get his numbers from as low as 27k once to regularly in the 80k range and with new signs of them improving more. We are told it is still because of these treatments he was getting this time last year due to half lifes and such. This treatment would have taken months and months to have been approved in most other countries. When out Drs wanted to di something, it happened in short order.
I remember when I went to the same PC office 25 years ago, for my sinuses, while there I showed a spot on my forearm that was itching, she immediately biopsied it and within a week I had a skin cancer diagnosis, a ct scan and surgery scheduled to remove it and to biopsy my lymthnodes to see if it had metastasized. I got the best news and my outcome was great but within a span of a couple of weeks, I was getting cleared by my oncologist for no need for chemo. Only in America would this have been as speedy.
Being from Memphis, I'm very aware of the types of people that come here for treatments. Steve Jobs and the Saudi Royal family have gone to Memphis for specialized cancer treatment. Tell me there are some sharp tacks on the job there.
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Chittlins... agreed on the speed here for the most part. From what I have been told, people in the UK buy a supplemental insurance to speed things up. But from what I was also told, you still have to go to NHS GP first
I have heard, but not experienced it, that the medical care in Springfield is a bit lacking... and things that would be no big deal anywhere else are misdiagnosed or just not handled quickly here. Thankfully, I have not experienced it.
And it is great you were able to get grants and the like. Was that because of rarity? Or perhaps again the knowledge in the Memphis area? I know people here who have had similar severe diagnosis here and are struggling to pay the medical debt.
I had a great doctor in St. Louis. The one I have in Springfield I don't much care for. I literally had to have a logic discussion with him 3 weeks ago. I am on a few medicines and the prescriptions had run out while I was out of work. They would not prescribe without seeing the doctor. But I could not afford to pay doctor out of pocket entirely with being out of work. So I went once I got back to work. He wanted to do bloodwork to check levels of medicine in my system. Told him that was pointless with having been off the medicine for 2 months. He was not going to prescribe them. I said, well if you want to check levels, you need to prescribe them so bloodwork can be checked with them in my system. He was completely illogical and I had to spell it out for him and he finally did. I've been on said medicine for 17 years and my levels when on it do not ever change... Same doctor was completely useless when I asked about transferring medical records and prescription to the UK as well... So still not sure how that is going to work
I think the quality of care depends on where you are in relation to large cities... and I think that is probably any country. I cut part of my left index finger off 22 years ago but was in a very small town not near big city when it happened. Had it been near St. Louis, it would have been re-attached. But because it was a small town, I have a very interesting looking finger and had to relearn playing guitar. I am not bitter or angry... it is what it is
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Chittlins... agreed on the speed here for the most part. From what I have been told, people in the UK buy a supplemental insurance to speed things up. But from what I was also told, you still have to go to NHS GP first
I have heard, but not experienced it, that the medical care in Springfield is a bit lacking... and things that would be no big deal anywhere else are misdiagnosed or just not handled quickly here. Thankfully, I have not experienced it.
And it is great you were able to get grants and the like. Was that because of rarity? Or perhaps again the knowledge in the Memphis area? I know people here who have had similar severe diagnosis here and are struggling to pay the medical debt.
I had a great doctor in St. Louis. The one I have in Springfield I don't much care for. I literally had to have a logic discussion with him 3 weeks ago. I am on a few medicines and the prescriptions had run out while I was out of work. They would not prescribe without seeing the doctor. But I could not afford to pay doctor out of pocket entirely with being out of work. So I went once I got back to work. He wanted to do bloodwork to check levels of medicine in my system. Told him that was pointless with having been off the medicine for 2 months. He was not going to prescribe them. I said, well if you want to check levels, you need to prescribe them so bloodwork can be checked with them in my system. He was completely illogical and I had to spell it out for him and he finally did. I've been on said medicine for 17 years and my levels when on it do not ever change... Same doctor was completely useless when I asked about transferring medical records and prescription to the UK as well... So still not sure how that is going to work
I think the quality of care depends on where you are in relation to large cities... and I think that is probably any country. I cut part of my left index finger off 22 years ago but was in a very small town not near big city when it happened. Had it been near St. Louis, it would have been re-attached. But because it was a small town, I have a very interesting looking finger and had to relearn playing guitar. I am not bitter or angry... it is what it is
Yes, there's a fight for more liberalized private insurance, go figure(snark)
My son was treated here in NWA, I'm from Memphis and have lots of family and friends that work in healthcare there. My first cousin spent a bit of time heading up FDA regulatory approvals for Merck's new drugs. The man is a walking IBM supercomputer on what's out there and what's in clinical trials. He is sought after to head up new biotechs. The grant money was based on our income, the wife is a teacher and I'm a machinist and our income still qualified for those Rituxan treatments so the threshold was high.
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Governor Parsons decreed that all MO schools are to remain closed for the remainder of the school year. So, no in person instruction, online courses are at the discretion of each district
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Governor Parsons decreed that all MO schools are to remain closed for the remainder of the school year. So, no in person instruction, online courses are at the discretion of each district
It is almost like the ol' college roommate died bit. Fayetteville pretty much cut the seniors loose this week.
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People are starting to get antsy about re-opening the economy... and I get it, but it's still really hard to grasp the full picture here. We flattened the curve more than expected, but thousands are dying every day, and the spread will obviously increase drastically if everything is opened back up to like-normal conditions. There's some indications that the virus has spread farther than assumed already, and more people are immune than thought. Then again, they are running out of room for corpses in NYC, and several other states are starting to get hundreds of deaths per day and increasing... We still simply need more time and data.
Plasma treatments are just getting off the ground for the most part. They aren't perfect from my understanding, but they can help the body fight off the virus long enough to get an upper hand on it.
The Hydroxychloroquine studies have largely been inconclusive so far, but more data from the first real, controlled studies is due in the next couple weeks.
Other than blood plasma, the only really promising treatment I've heard of lately with good data behind it is Remdesivir. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?fbclid=IwAR0BKqopChXwoMI3eOmgunJ2a4dac9A_VQA5SDVVCbaYI2hOk0QA_7NO6QM (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?fbclid=IwAR0BKqopChXwoMI3eOmgunJ2a4dac9A_VQA5SDVVCbaYI2hOk0QA_7NO6QM)
That's all preliminary info from a smaller study, but there is more data due on it soon. It looks like it definitely knocks it down for most people, but it's not exactly a cure.
A lot of vaccine trials have either barely begun or won't even start till summer, and of course there's a 90% chance the first tries won't work... hopefully some of the research from earlier SARS outbreaks has helped them narrow it down, but who knows.
I'm checking sites just about every day hoping to hear of some kind of breakthrough that could mean we'll get back to "normal" sooner than next year, but there's nothing definitive yet obviously.
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So Oklahoma is trying to open a number of businesses back up in limited capacity this weekend. There are essentially three phases to the opening, but by June 1 even summer camps will be back in session if they want to be... I assume that means FC could open up in June if they want.
Obviously Missouri will probably take a slower approach, but if things don't backfire entirely it is starting to look like we could get to SDC this summer after all. It's really been wild trying to figure out how bad the actual virus impact will be from week to week. We're still on track for a lot of additional deaths this year thanks to the virus, but obviously the world will have to keep on turning.
Lot of vaccine trials getting started with human trials this week and next week. Moderna has a big head start, but they don't have a big track record. I'm just hopeful that with this many candidates going forward at once, at least one will work!
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IF they did open, I personally would be concerned about the masses. I feel like I have said this before....but I am not sure how safe it would be having all kinds of people from all over all congregating at SDC. Just from the turn styles to the cave is hard enough to navigate without bumping into someone on a busy day.
I suppose they could sanitize each ride before and after each use, but that would take some time. Waiting in line feels like it would be the pits, especially if we are all social distancing. Those queues are only so long and having 6 foot intervals would be rough. Also, would they need to do every other seat? No sitting with each other? Would there be a capacity limit? Dining inside?
So many questions! I do not relish being in the PTB shoes.
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I still cannot believe we shut down and destroyed the economy for this thing.
There were 60.8 million total cases of H1N1 in the states and it was no big deal. We’re barely over 2 million worldwide total cases of COVID-19. So forgive me if I’m not overly concerned about catching it by going to SDC.
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From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases of H1N1 that killed 12,469 in the U.S. As of today there have been 855,435 cases of COVID-19 that have killed 47,992 in the U.S.
At this point COVID-19 is more contagious, more deadly, and if 60.8 million people were to somehow get infected by it that would project to around 3 million deaths.
Do I think that many will perish? Probably not, but it is going to be a terrible toll when all is said and done.
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Obviously Missouri will probably take a slower approach, but if things don't backfire entirely it is starting to look like we could get to SDC this summer after all.
I don't see how SDC can get by the social distancing that needs to take place. Even at phase 3 physical distancing is in place and Missouri isn't even at phase 1 yet. I sure hope they can but it sure looks like it is just too much for them to overcome this year.
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I will take the cautious approach. I can do without a roller coaster ride for a year to provide for the safety of my family in the long term. Hopefully the precautions taken has flattened the curve and will give us the time to find a vaccine. Excuse me if I do not feel the pain for corporations during this. We have assessed our priorities and even after this is over plan on spending more time with family and friends and less with manufactured environments.
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This stuff has been around NWA since at least mid Jan, we likely peaked and didn't know it. I'd love to see a city wide antibody test of Bentonville, particularly Walmart Home Office workers. All these antibody tests studies are show it was vastly more widespread before the lockdown than ever imagined, the chinese covered this up for a good long time. NYC is looking like over 2 million have had it.
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Pretty sure the drummer in my band had it in January. We played four gigs together that month. He had all the symptoms. Body aches, high fever, and cough but nobody really knew that Covid-19 was out there then.
it cleared up after about a month and now he's ok
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I am about convinced by wife had it back in December. We were on a cruise in early December and there were a bunch of foreign folks from China on the cruise, I mean a massive amount. Never seen anything like it on a cruise before. Did not think much of it though. This was before we heard anything about it here. Toward the middle/end of December she started having symptoms that they now say are Covid. At the time she did get tested for the flu and it was negative. So no telling but highly suspect.
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You guys should keep an ear out for the serology tests that are coming around. Would be interesting to know if you did indeed have it and already have antibodies. We know it has been circulating around for awhile, but it probably hasn't gone as far as some people believe either. I'm really hoping we get those tests soon. That will answer so many questions.
Unfortunately, some of the tests that have been used aren't dialed in correctly and have given false positives. Some of the studies that claimed a huge percentage of participants had antibodies have been proven wrong. It's getting there though, and there are certainly some reputable studies already that have proven higher rates than anticipated.
I don't think the heartland has been really hit hard yet. I think there's going to be a lot of damage to be done here if it really spreads around among our older folk. So many people around here are so unhealthy, it wouldn't take much of a virus to push their bodies over the edge or at least make them very sick. Most people will be fine of course, we've known that all along. It's still a gamble.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/24/coronavirus-there-covid-19-antibody-testing-near-me-probably-not/3013202001/
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I have not checked the site for a few days and I red through this thread with astonishment and a bit of shame...
For those of you "plandemic" folks... How about you read the BBC news or ANYTHING not biased one way or another... How about you look at the ENTIRE world and not stuck in your "USA" frame of mind. Be logical... Do you REALLY think that the ENTIRE WORLD has conspired against the president to take him down? To ruin EVERY economy in the ENTIRE WORLD? Have you ever known that many nations to agree on ANYTHING? We can't even get agreement in this forum... now throw in entire world views. I read the BBC news constantly as I just can't handle the news here. They have no agenda to further ANY political view in this country. I've read their criticisms of how things are done in their own country... But I don't see the divide there that is here. But I also don't read anything there saying this is all a made up hoax. They have taken it seriously... and even so, their death rate in the UK is EXTREMELY high. Regardless of your political leanings, this is a worldwide problem. It is NOT made up. And the death rate on closed cases worldwide is 17%. While it is a lagging indicator from time of diagnosis until outcome (3-4 weeks), it says this is a real problem. The US death rate by closed cases is something like 26%. Both numbers have dropped considerably in the last 2 weeks as more people have recovered thankfully.
I came back from the UK on March 22 and then was in health dept. quarantine - not allowed to leave my house or be around people - for 2 weeks. I am an essential employee and have been working. My company has about 20 people so my exposure has been limited to about 10 trips to drive throughs, 3 Walmart visits and a grocery store visit since that time frame. Missouri just reopened most everything and Springfield, where I currently live, just decided to open bars as well with a maximum of 25 people. I am a musician in a band here and most weeks I would be in a bar 3-5 nights a week. But I won't be going for awhile. I don't feel safe. My choice. If people feel comfortable, more power to them. I have NOT been good about wearing a mask or gloves the few times I have gone out. Hence why I have limited my exposure.
I am lucky in that I am an engineer and an essential employee for my business in the automotive sector. And our overall company - which employs something like 1500 people - has been lucky as well in that there have been no cases within the organization. While someone said they are a machinist and still working, I wonder how many outsiders are you exposed to every day? How many people do you work with? And for those who are saying it is majorly effecting the average worker, with the extra $600 the federal is kicking in, I don't know of anyone on unemployment who is not making MORE money now than by working! Missouri's unemployment is awful but that extra money makes it very livable for anyone making $75k or less - which is a HUGE amount of people. I don't know about other states, but in MO it is hard for places to open when their employees can triple their monthly income by staying home.
The real losers in all of this are the small businesses. My friends own a bar here and they decided to not reopen after having to be closed for 2 months. And I am sure that will be the norm across the country and across the world.
I implore all of the people who have posted in here - no matter your political leaning - to look at news NOT in the US and see what is really going on. Get outside your "USA IS BEST" mindset and look at the world. Yes, many other countries have handled this differently and better... You can't compare Sweden to the US. You can't compare country to country. Most of Europe and the UK are MUCH more active than we are in the US. And we are considerably less healthy and more obese than the rest of the world. There are so many cultural factors that come into play. You have to stop being so "America" centric and be WORLD centric. We are a global economy. We need to start acting like it
Would I go back to SDC this year? Well, I thought I would be moved to the UK by now but this pandemic has slowed that down... But would I go should they open? No... It is my choice. I won't be going much of anywhere for the foreseeable future. Because I have seen and heard too much and I don't trust others. If you feel comfortable, go. It is your life. BUT as others said, how would you feel if you were asymptomatic and spread it to others and they died?
I read somewhere in here someone saying that hospitals are being subsidized to diagnose as COVID-19. PLease post your sources and don't spread false "facts"... But again, look at the entire world. The UK for example is government funded health care. They are not operating their hospitals like a corporation for profit. Do you really think they are making up their numbers to get paid? You all have to stop focusing on America and look at what is going on in the world...
And quite honestly, we are a laughingstock in most of the world. They just shake their heads. I talk to people on a regular basis in the UK and they just laugh at us... To make America great again we have to be respected. We aren't. They laugh at our divide. They laugh at decisions made by people in charge. They use us as an example of WHAT NOT TO DO. How about we set about changing that... regardless of your political party. How about we start listening to each other? Caring about each other? How about we be able to have discussions again about topics and we listen and learn and maybe research and change our mind? How about we admit we're wrong and not hold so tightly to things on principle and not on facts and data?
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Feel better?
I’m sure there’s probably a more appropriate platform for your rant out there and I hope you are successful at locating it. BTW, I thought you were leaving this site for good?
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Wow... you take that as a rant? I was just trying to get people to look at things from a worldwide perspective. And no. You have mistaken me for someone else in “leaving the site for good”. I am supposed to be leaving the country, but I never said anything about leaving the site for good
But seriously if you think that was “ranting” you have a very large problem. If you think this was "ianappropriate" perhaps you are part of the problem and not the solution. I addressed several things in the last 4 pages of posts with logical discussion and not party bias. How is this "inappropriate"? Because it goes against your beliefs and you have trouble arguing it? Because I am logical? What exactly is the problem?
I was trying to bring the discussion around to solutions and not the arguing that has been going on. If that is "inappropriate", perhaps you are the problem
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Jemmicat. I applaud you. Well written. I've known a couple dozen people with the virus, one 23 year old that was on a ventilator for 14 days, one as young as 2 years old. Luckily, to this date, all have survived. I, too, watch the world, not just the arrogant "me generation" here in the USA.
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Wow... you take that as a rant? I was just trying to get people to look at things from a worldwide perspective. And no. You have mistaken me for someone else in “leaving the site for good”. I am supposed to be leaving the country, but I never said anything about leaving the site for good
But seriously if you think that was “ranting” you have a very large problem. If you think this was "ianappropriate" perhaps you are part of the problem and not the solution. I addressed several things in the last 4 pages of posts with logical discussion and not party bias. How is this "inappropriate"? Because it goes against your beliefs and you have trouble arguing it? Because I am logical? What exactly is the problem?
I was trying to bring the discussion around to solutions and not the arguing that has been going on. If that is "inappropriate", perhaps you are the problem
I didn’t say it was inappropriate, I said that there are more appropriate platforms for you to post something like that on as in not here. Your post read like someone who feels that they are better than everyone here. You basically called the posters here the problem. This is not the first time you’ve tried to prop yourself up as an elitist on the topic. So please leave like you said you were going to earlier. It’s obvious that the posters here disgust you so do us a favor and take yourself out.
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I think it's clear that people in control of our global response are reacting to situations that are beyond their control. Does that mean one answer is better than another? Maybe. Is there something to learn from the situation. Definitely. We should be able to present information and ideas in this forum without accusing each other of racist or xenophobic intentions, without cutting down what you believe are conspiracy theories, and without assaulting political leanings. If you're coming here because you think you know better or that you are more enlightened because of your political direction or your social transcendence, or you think you have evolved to a more advanced human being than the rest of our members, you have come here for the wrong reasons.
Friends talk about religion and politics, and sometimes friends disagree. That's OK until they get into a disagreement that includes attacks call into question their beliefs, their patriotism, or their fears. Right now, you can find all kinds of research and expert opinion to support any side of the debate with which you agree. Right now, we cannot rely on a single source of information for a complete picture. Right now, there is more hearsay than you can shake a stick at. The dust has not cleared. Most of us don't know who is shooting or from where they are shooting. There is a lot of friendly fire due to the confusion of the situation. That's not what SDCFans is all about. I, for one, do not check SDCFans for my C19 news. I do not come here to read anybody's cutdowns or paranoia.
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None of this is productive at the moment ;D
Honestly it will just be nice when people can stop arguing about how to respond this virus. There isn’t a good solution. All these stay at home orders have negative consequences just like going out has risks. I wish people could just let people do what they feel is right.