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Title: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 19, 2018, 07:58:27 PM
Not much info yet.....

http://www.kspr.com/content/news/Emergency-crews-work-incident-involving-amphibious-boat-on-Table-Rock-Lake-488679201.html
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: sanddunerider on July 19, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
Now there are reports of loss of life and people missing...... :'(
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: chittlins on July 19, 2018, 08:24:56 PM
let this be the end of the Ducks, please.

Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: sanddunerider on July 19, 2018, 08:27:14 PM
let this be the end of the Ducks, please.

High wind from a passing storm swamped a Duck... Reports are 6 dead, And divers are in the water looking for missing persons.... :'(
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: History Buff on July 19, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
I would think this type of a thing could happen to any boat on the lake that chooses to be on the water in that kind of storm.  Forecasts should have been considered and more caution should have been extended.  This is bad for everyone involved, and our prayers are with victims, families, and the people who will live with a decision that they now regret.
Title: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: shavethewhales on July 19, 2018, 09:42:53 PM
http://www.fox5krbk.com/story/38688785/branson-ride-the-ducks-boat-capsized-with-multiple-people

Our dear hopes are that the rumors are false and everyone is OK. Sounds like a sudden microburst on the lake or something. Strong winds all around from a storm that was expected to be much smaller.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 19, 2018, 10:15:21 PM
6 confirmed casualties as of now.   :'(
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: Swoosh on July 19, 2018, 10:18:24 PM
let this be the end of the Ducks, please.

Your comment is out of line.  Nothing like grandstanding on a tragedy.  Have some class
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: Swoosh on July 19, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
8 confirmed dead, 7 in critical condition as of 10:30pm
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: Swoosh on July 19, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Now at 10 dead.  7 still in critical condition.  Several still missing.  They unfortunately expect the casualties number to continue to rise through the evening as the search moves from a rescue mission to a recovery mission
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 19, 2018, 11:50:27 PM
Search and rescue called off and switching to recovery mode according to reports. This is really bad. As of this writing only 18 people have been recovered with 11 being dead. Over 30 people were reported on board.

Despite the tragic outcome for the boat in question, I'm actually impressed these boats held up as well as they did. The other boat did manage to make it back safely. However, it appears that was because it was not fully loaded unlike the one that sank. If you see the videos this looks like something you would see from a storm out at sea, its crazy to see Table Rock look like that with them out there.

The final death blow to the vessel is around 4:10, they also reported live on KY3 that they had wind gusts equal to a Cat3 Hurricane! http://www.ky3.com/content/news/CAUGHT-ON-CAMERA-Viewer-captures-Ride-the-Ducks--488687431.html

Another article with various videos: https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/branson-duck-video-boat-sinking-sinks/

Alternate Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1dg-E0sW04

POV video from the surviving boat: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1020156607278256128

On another note, I could see how this could very well mark the end for Branson's Ride The Ducks Tours. The chain as a whole has unfortunately already suffered from a lot of bad publicity from other incidents across the nation.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 20, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
Our local news station posted the full video on Facebook of it sinking as filmed from the Showboat.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: marolinesdad on July 20, 2018, 12:03:19 AM
So sad.    I have heard from al friend that lives in Branson that 70mph straight line winds hit the area.   
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: How-doFolks on July 20, 2018, 05:27:03 AM
So sad to hear & see this.. Thoughts & Prayers to all involved..  :'(
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: sanddunerider on July 20, 2018, 06:52:14 AM
11 dead,   5 missing.....  update at 8, by KY3
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: sanddunerider on July 20, 2018, 06:59:41 AM
Video at.   Terrible, terrible thing!! :'( :'(

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/CAUGHT-ON-CAMERA-Viewer-captures-Ride-the-Ducks--488687431.html
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 20, 2018, 07:37:43 AM
This is terrible. Families out trying to have a good time and then this? Horrible.

Ive not ridden the ducks in years and never have after those others sank elsehwere. They are not safe and need to go away, imo. I understand this was a unique storm but those things are floating traps. Im surprised about the storm and im surprised 11 people are dead, but im not surprised one sank.

Prayers to all involved.
Title: Re: Duck swamped by waves at Tablerock...
Post by: mhguy77 on July 20, 2018, 07:57:51 AM
Don't pre-judge, I think they probably should have held back the boats but I had the same storm here just east of Branson.  It came up very fast and very hard, no warning.  I was scared to be in the garage with the door open and storms dont scare me.  The wind was mean.  Sad accident but the Bell was out as well, this was a freak hard fast event.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Coaster on July 20, 2018, 08:23:50 AM
Merged the two different threads on this.

Such a terrible tragedy. The videos I have seen are so hard to watch. I can't imagine how scary that would have been. Prayers go out to the families involved.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 20, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
Death toll is up to 13 now.  :'(
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 20, 2018, 09:13:14 AM
 :'( :'(        Another update.  details we already know...

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Divers-hunt-for-4-after-Missouri-duck-boat-sinks-killing-13-488720161.html
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 20, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
14 confirmed survivors of which 7 were injured. 
13 confirmed deaths (ranging in age from 1 to 70)
4 still unaccounted for
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 20, 2018, 09:18:48 AM
This is very sad and it could have been any of us on those boats.  I have not ridden them in many years but never will again I don't think.  I am trying to remember I do not think you wear life jackets while on the ride do you?  But I assume they have them onboard somewhere.  In those winds it would have been impossible to get them on though I would think.

This give a black eye to the entire Branson area and I would bet it is the end of the Ducks.  Hershend dumped it at the right time I guess.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 20, 2018, 09:24:51 AM

This is very sad and it could have been any of us on those boats. 

I have not ridden them in many years but never will again I don't think.  I am trying to remember I do not think you wear life jackets while on the ride do you?  But I assume they have them onboard somewhere.  In those winds it would have been impossible to get them on though I would think.

This give a black eye to the entire Branson area and I would bet it is the end of the Ducks. 

Hershend dumped it at the right time I guess.

I was also worried that maybe some of my Branson friens may have been out for a cruise, but fortunatley no bad phone calls

No you dont wear life jackets during ride, Yes they are on vehicle (has to be, it is a federal law).
They had the Plastic window zipped shut on the ride, So I am afraid when it "sank" The only way out was the back door, or the captain to fold down front window.. Bad deal under these conditions..

I dont know that it will give a black eye to Branson? But the Ducks rides will be crippled for sure..
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: biscuitcreek on July 20, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
This is the lead story on NBC Today show this morning with several videos and interviews:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unknown-number-people-killed-when-boat-crashes-missouri-lake-n893011?icid=today_hp_NBCtopheadlines

Today also had a segment about previous incidents with Ducks:

https://www.today.com/news/how-safe-are-duck-boats-deadly-accident-missouri-lake-renews-t133844

This is such a tragedy.

We rode the Ducks once on Table Rock and once on Taneycomo. Life jackets were in a rack above us. No one wore a life jacket during the tours.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Tmboote on July 20, 2018, 10:31:30 AM
I rode the Ducks once back in 2011 and I can’t remember-is the driver the only employee in each vehicle?
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Pintrader on July 20, 2018, 10:44:01 AM
I believe under current ownership-management there are 2.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 20, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
AS of 10:15 this morning..........


"""Seventeen people died Thursday night in a wind-driven lake tragedy that capsized and sank a tourist boat in the Missouri Ozarks.

Stone County Sheriff Doug Rader said some of the dead were children but he would not be specific. Media reports said at least three of the injured were under 18 years old; their injuries were minor. At least seven people were taken to hospitals, only one with a serious injury.

All missing people appeared to have been accounted for. Stone County Sheriff Doug Rader confirmed the total number of fatalities just after 10:15 a.m. Friday."""
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: palallin on July 20, 2018, 11:32:40 AM
I have ridden the Ducks often, and I will again, Lord willing.  Have we shut down the airlines when a plane crashes?  Put an end to bus lines when a bus crashes?  Shall we close down all thrill rides because of accidents on some?

This is a tragedy, but any loss of life in such circumstances is.  Friends, LIFE is neither safe nor secure.  But this is not an example of irrational behavior or fundamentally dangerous vehicles.  This is like a bus being blown off the road in a tornado.  It is most emphatically not a reason to bring to an end an otherwise wholesome and enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 20, 2018, 12:08:20 PM
I have ridden the Ducks often, and I will again, Lord willing.  Have we shut down the airlines when a plane crashes?  Put an end to bus lines when a bus crashes?  Shall we close down all thrill rides because of accidents on some?

This is a tragedy, but any loss of life in such circumstances is.  Friends, LIFE is neither safe nor secure.  But this is not an example of irrational behavior or fundamentally dangerous vehicles.  This is like a bus being blown off the road in a tornado.  It is most emphatically not a reason to bring to an end an otherwise wholesome and enjoyable experience.

Normally I would agree but the Ducks as a whole have had some serious accidents in the recent past that have made national headlines.  While I agree this was a freak accident the negative press and sure to be coming lawsuits might prove too big of a liability for Ripley’s to even want to continue the program.  We’ll find out in due time but I personally do not see Ride the Ducks returning
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on July 20, 2018, 01:56:29 PM
Wow, What a tragedy.  I have never ridden the Ducks and with all the safety instances probably never will. I know there will be a lot of questions and whataboutisms before this is all sorted out.

I am no boat captain but after seeing the videos I have just a few questions. Hopefully someone more versed than me can lend some insight.

1. Obviously the ducks are underpowered for the type of swell they were in. You can see that in how they were struggling.

2. Would it have been a better outcome if the captain had turned the Duck and headed with the waves and just beached the Duck ? It looked like they were closer to shore behind it. Maybe he was afraid of it getting swamped during the turn ?
3.Hopefully they ordered Life Jackets on during this ? I cannot believe they would not. One video shows another crew member standing over the captain.

I am not judging anything here, these are just things that popped into my head while watching the videos.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 20, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Thoughts and prayers with Branson today :(

I wonder if HFE sold this attraction because they where worried about the liability of an accident like this.  I'm not saying anyone predicted this....but it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped it to prevent the company from getting in trouble because of something like this. 

Big respect to the Ripley's CEO for speaking with the media today.  He could have just sent out a press release but he went on live and you could hear how shook up he was.  Took on the hard questions and was very honest in his answers.  Even agreed that the driver should not have took it into the lake. 

Horrific thinking about how quickly that could happen.  All of us locals probably understand that the sky can be blue one minute and be horrific crazy just a few minutes later with one of these fast moving midwest storms.  I'll be patiently waiting for the investigation/timeline of how they got themselves in that situation.  It's pretty easy to judge them right now that they should have seen the storm coming.

I can't image Ripley's reopening the tour....if it survives....would be with new owners and a bunch of safety minded changes.  Good luck with the marketing campaign if it does reopen.

I have a friend camping at an RV park offshore....they had a tree go down next to there RV.  Gave them a big scare and they talked about the storm coming from out of the blue.

Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sirwillow on July 20, 2018, 02:35:32 PM
Such a horrible, sad moment.

The "captain" survived, but the driver didn't.  That was Bob Williams, who is well known around Branson, as well as being a local minister.  Well loved guy that I've heard wonderful things about.

There was a storm watch posted, and severe thunderstorm warnings went up about 40 minutes before it happened, but it's likely that the 2 ducks that were on the water had left base to start their trip before that.  No clue if the warnings were relayed to them when on the road or not, but based on them both being on the water I have a feeling they weren't.

I know when it hit our place, it went from a beautiful, gorgeous day to incredibly fierce winds almost instantly.  If they didn't know before hand, then it would have caught them completely by surprise on the water.  It tore down branches and trees around us, and you can see in the videos how harsh it was on the water.

I'm afraid that even if everyone in it put on life jackets it wouldn't have helped.  As others have pointed out, the flaps were all down and sealed, which only left the back door open and no other way out when it went down.  And it looks like once it started to capsize it went down pretty quick.  :-(

I know reddit is ablaze with all of those who know better than everyone else.  And had a couple out of line comments on my video I did that I had to delete.  Hurting for everyone that is affected by it.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Duelist on July 20, 2018, 05:49:41 PM
Just saw where 8 of the deceased were from the same family.  I don't have the words.  Prayers up for all the deceased and their loved ones.  :'(

Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 20, 2018, 05:58:26 PM
Big difference between planes crashing and these things. 

Yes, these are underpowered on the water even in the best conditions.  The one duck that got out was pure luck.  It sank pretty close to the ramp but the water there is 80 feet deep I heard the new say. 

It was actually 9 members of a family from Minneapolis.  11 were on vacation so 2 survived.  I can't imagine what they are going thru. 

I was witnesses on that were on the other boat I believe say that the weather looked really bad before they even got on the water but they ran the boats anyway. 

Here is a story about how the NTSB warned about those being unsafe.  I bet there will be some big changes such as removing the canopys if they don't shut down completely.

http://amp.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article215219170.html
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 20, 2018, 06:04:58 PM
Wow, how sad.  So there are still a bunch of cars in the duck parking lot from the people who died and it looks like people are putting flowers and such on them.  This is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Gilligan on July 20, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
All I can say is that I arrived at the IMAX at 6:15 with clear, sunny skies.  My hubs commented that there was cloud cover to the north over Springfield when we were talking about hoping it would rain.  At 6:33 I got a weather text alert on my phone and was surprised to see it. At 6:48 we were looking at a radar that showed a heavy line of storms moving in. I believe at 7:03 the boat sunk.  It happened that fast! It's a tragic, tragic event that breaks my heart thinking of the pain families are dealing with.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 21, 2018, 12:25:57 AM
I feel so bad for the family of 11 from Indiana that had 9 perish and only 2 survive.  Sounds like it was the mother and one of her nephews.  I pray the two don’t suffer from survivors’ remorse.  Such a horrible tragedy all around
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 21, 2018, 06:32:14 AM
I feel so bad for the family of 11 from Indiana that had 9 perish and only 2 survive.  Sounds like it was the mother and one of her nephews.  I pray the two don’t suffer from survivors’ remorse.  Such a horrible tragedy all around

So true,  I cant even fathom that.. :'( :'(. 
I have a very small family, If we lost 9 members at 1 time., It would wipe out the entire family......  :-\ :-\

Terrible.....
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 21, 2018, 08:34:51 AM
A list of names has been released....   :'( 

So, So very sad..    Looks like the family of 9 were great grand kids, children, cousins, grandparents, parents uncles..,  Four generations.  SMH :'(   

Its just unbelievable.. :'(.

(copy and paste below)
https://www.facebook.com/pg/All-Access-Branson-134293326599920/posts/?ref=notif
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sirwillow on July 21, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
All I can say is that I arrived at the IMAX at 6:15 with clear, sunny skies.  My hubs commented that there was cloud cover to the north over Springfield when we were talking about hoping it would rain.  At 6:33 I got a weather text alert on my phone and was surprised to see it. At 6:48 we were looking at a radar that showed a heavy line of storms moving in. I believe at 7:03 the boat sunk.  It happened that fast! It's a tragic, tragic event that breaks my heart thinking of the pain families are dealing with.

There are a lot of people who don't realize how fast it moved in.  Not only that, but the strong winds, which were the real problem, were 11 miles ahead of the storm, and those don't show up on radar. Brandon Beck of KY3 posted the radar photos of it.  I know it caught us by surprise at home- sky looked mostly clear when we were getting hammered by the winds.

Just sad and tragic in so many ways.  The loss in that one family is unimaginable. I'm sure it will be investigated, examined, and analyzed thoroughly, and lots of people will point fingers and put blame without knowing the details and circumstances.  But I know a lot of people are hurting, and that should be remembered first and foremost right now.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: History Buff on July 21, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
As much as a storm may be unexpected, contrary to popular belief, they don't pop-up without some science applied.  They may not have realized it was coming, or didn't keep an eye on forecasts, watches, and warnings and just trusted their instincts and eyeballs, but this storm did not just pop up at the lake.

Here's a quote and image from our guy on the Missouri/Oklahoma/Kansas border.  You decide.

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My heart goes out to all people that are affected by the duck boat incident Thursday evening. We all know how thunderstorms are around this part of the country. That same thunderstorm is the one that gave our viewing area the terrible afternoon severe thunderstorm. There was ample warning time that this storm was working toward Table Rock. This is just a reminder that no matter what time of there year it is, we always need to be weather aware. Terrible tragedy, very sad!

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37423424_1826163360774690_1729432392063516672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=65d63d89cd987852e6345c7b35932715&oe=5BDC2319)

That cell did not just show up on the radar 6:33.  That's just when the image was copied and pasted.  Also, that bow-shape on the front end of the radar indicates high winds.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't believe anyone did anything wrong and as much human loss as there was, I pray that everyone recovers from any guilt they are currently feeling, but new cautions must be put into place and adhered to in regards to the weather.  We often think that SDC is overly cautious regarding lightning strikes, but this is why.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 21, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
An NWA weather guy posted about the weather timeline.....showing that they severe weather warnings for the area was released 30 minutes before the accident:(

A family of 4 from Arkansas lost 2 members.  The Mom didn't go....sister made it but the Dad and brother didn't.  Just heartbreaking :'(
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: History Buff on July 21, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
A family of 4 from Arkansas lost 2 members.  The Mom didn't go....sister made it but the Dad and brother didn't.  Just heartbreaking :'(

Heartbreaking indeed.  Here is what the church posted - a request from the minister.  It really brings things home.

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Please pray for the Smith Family of the Osceola church of Christ. Last night Steve (the father and husband) and Lance (his son) died in the tragic Duck accident in Branson, Missouri. Steve was a deacon at Osceola, and I had just baptized Lance, who was 15, late last year. This past Sunday I finally was able to get Lance to do a devotional and break out his shell! Attached is one of the last photos of him I know exists. He was like a son to me, and I will miss him greatly. He was the perfect example of humility and compassion! He cared about everyone. My heart breaks, but I know where they are, and I know that I will see them again!

I hope some of this brings peace to their family, friends, and the rest of us who look along with astonishment at the personal tragedy experienced by the surviving mother and daughter.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sirwillow on July 21, 2018, 06:11:31 PM
Well, for those of us that were wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe somehow they didn't know the storm was coming, hadn't looked at radar, and got caught by the nice weather when they went out on the water...

CNN and Wall Street Journal had an interview with the surviving adult in the family of 11. She says they were told a storm was coming, and they actually changed the route to go to the water first in an attempt to beat the storm.  Still a lot of investigating to do, and we're still in the early stages where a lot of misinformation can come out.  But that would not be a good thing.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 21, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
I notice that the big news, CNN, Wall Street, Sacremento and others all seem to get this special "information", But yet the locals even KCstar isnt reporting it..?  Yes the details will all come out, good or bad, in the next few weeks..

But unfornately it wont be news worthy 4 or 5 days from now..
 
The next big "news" will be when they get the duck out of the water, after that the new will be somewhere else
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 21, 2018, 07:12:31 PM
The woman who survived out of the family of 11 lost her husband and I believe 2-3 of her kids which I think was all of her kids.  That us so unbelievable something like that can happen.  The big talk yesterday and today was how the captain told them not to put on their life jackets.  I have a feeling if they did, more people would have died because when the boat went down, if they had them on they would have tried to float up and would have pinned them under the canopy, which is one of the big reason those things are a death trap.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: biscuitcreek on July 22, 2018, 12:13:45 PM
A family of 4 from Arkansas lost 2 members.  The Mom didn't go....sister made it but the Dad and brother didn't.  Just heartbreaking :'(

Heartbreaking indeed.  Here is what the church posted - a request from the minister.  It really brings things home.

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Please pray for the Smith Family of the Osceola church of Christ. Last night Steve (the father and husband) and Lance (his son) died in the tragic Duck accident in Branson, Missouri. Steve was a deacon at Osceola, and I had just baptized Lance, who was 15, late last year. This past Sunday I finally was able to get Lance to do a devotional and break out his shell! Attached is one of the last photos of him I know exists. He was like a son to me, and I will miss him greatly. He was the perfect example of humility and compassion! He cared about everyone. My heart breaks, but I know where they are, and I know that I will see them again!

I hope some of this brings peace to their family, friends, and the rest of us who look along with astonishment at the personal tragedy experienced by the surviving mother and daughter.

There was an article about this family on the front page of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. The mother was at Branson Landing and called the father to say he was late in picking her up. He answered, explained the situation, and said it didn't look good. He said his goodbyes, told his wife he loved her and the kids, and the phone went dead. Mother said both kids were good swimmers. Daughter who survived has a concussion due to being thrown onto boat deck during rescue.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 22, 2018, 10:22:26 PM
Ok.  I think that there needs to be a permanent memorial created for these victims.

Suggestions of location and design (what it should look like)
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 23, 2018, 06:59:37 AM
Ok.  I think that there needs to be a permanent memorial created for these victims.

Suggestions of location and design (what it should look like)

Good Idea
A large memeorial stoned with a Heart and Cross carved on it,  list of names, date of accident. Short decription of what happened for future generations,,
Would be nice if HFEC would allow them to place it in what I call the "garden" area on the way down to the Belle.   
Be nice if there was a view of the water.   
Should be placed off to the side, Off the main sidewalk, But easy to see or locate,
BUt yet NOT a main attraction,
And not take away from the showboat expierence.

IF not in that area, Maybe over by the Dewey BUilding/Park.     That may be a better spot anyway

As I am typing this, Yes, the Dewey area really would be a better area..
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on July 23, 2018, 09:03:58 AM
I agree with the heart, the cross would need to be checked on with the families.  If they include a description of what happened it will need to be “Disney-fied” a bit. 
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 23, 2018, 09:08:17 AM
  If they include a description of what happened it will need to be “Disney-fied” a bit.

Absolutely, Brief description...

I agree with the heart, the cross would need to be checked on with the families.

Maybe a heart with a small memorial type of poem in it?
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: History Buff on July 23, 2018, 11:36:46 AM
Is it sad that the first visible things that popped up at the raising of the vehicle were a bunch of orange life vests?
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sirwillow on July 23, 2018, 12:33:30 PM
With the roof on it, the life jackets probably wouldn't have helped, sadly. They just would have trapped anyone wearing one against the roof when it was sinking.

I did notice though that when they raised it, it looked like the roof had split open.  I wonder if that might be a possible solution for the future in cases like this, where the roof could be hinged with releases where if it starts to sink it could open to allow people to get out.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: History Buff on July 23, 2018, 02:47:21 PM
As I understand it, the roof was "released".  Maybe that's why it appears to be split.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 23, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
I was thinking about solutions for safety and wondered if they could make the roof detachable and buoyant.  Just release the roof from the frame (and push it away if possible).  I can't image those vehicles ever being used again without them being open air with life jackets required.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 23, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
Here is the story on the sunken DUKW which was raised today. I agree the first thing which was very apparent and damning was the fact that nearly all the life jackets were intact and still mounted to the rack of the vessel. http://www.ky3.com/content/news/PICTURES-Sunken-duck-boat-raised-from-Missouri-lake-488897941.html

The lake depth here was also stated to have been 80+ feet.
(http://media.graytvinc.com/images/800*447/Screen+Shot+2018-07-23+at+10.12.24+AM.jpg)
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: biscuitcreek on July 23, 2018, 09:54:50 PM
More updates from KY3:

Ripley's has offered to pay funeral expenses and medical expenses.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Ripleys-Entertainment-releases-statement-Monday-about-duck-boat-investigation-488895961.html

Also, it is up to the captain to make the call about weather and the tour.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Former-employees-say-to-go-or-not-to-go-on-water-is-captains-call-488940441.html

I saw video from another DUCK on Table Rock during the same storm; it was able to get back to shore. Turns out there was a third DUCK out during the storm but it was on Taneycomo.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: KBCraig on July 24, 2018, 01:21:57 AM
Here is the story on the sunken DUKW which was raised today.

Is it actually a DUKW, or one of the modern tour vehicles?
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 24, 2018, 06:43:27 AM
It actually sank in 40 feet of water, landed on its wheels and rolled "downhill" to 80 feet depth. (that is what they are saying)


Yes, this is a real DUKW, not a copy..   
My understanding they are all originals, with different modifictions..  engine, transmission, drive systems, bilge pumps and so on
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: palallin on July 24, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
It was my understanding that none of the original DUKWs were still in operation, as of several years ago.  If that is not the case, then I was misinformed by an employee of the company.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 24, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
It was my understanding that none of the original DUKWs were still in operation, as of several years ago.  If that is not the case, then I was misinformed by an employee of the company.

I too could be misinformed or I could have easily misunderstood... ;D.   

My only thought would be is ,  IF they were all "new" or complete copies....  Why wouldnt they have designed and built a nicer looking machine, along with easier access and be more people friendly...???..
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 24, 2018, 08:59:31 PM
My understanding this the ones in operation in Branson are modified from the original, in that they were extended by several feet to be able to carry more people, making them even more dangerous due to the added weight.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: thelarsonsix on July 26, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
As I understand it, the roof was "released".  Maybe that's why it appears to be split.

I suspect the roof was split open to recover the victims.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 30, 2018, 12:00:56 PM
I saw on 1Branson that a lawsuit had been filed already.. No details..

"Not surprised, but word out today is that a $100-Million-Dollar federal lawsuit has been filed as a result of the tragedy"

Of course my questions are......
Against the Duck as a business?
Against Ripleys Corporation for owning the Ducks?
Against the Captain for making poor decisions..
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on July 30, 2018, 01:38:14 PM
I saw on 1Branson that a lawsuit had been filed already.. No details..

"Not surprised, but word out today is that a $100-Million-Dollar federal lawsuit has been filed as a result of the tragedy"

Of course my questions are......
Against the Duck as a business?
Against Ripleys Corporation for owning the Ducks?
Against the Captain for making poor decisions..



Here is the AP story.   https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lawsuit-filed-in-fatal-duck-boat-sinking-seeks-dollar100-million/ar-BBLfXsW?OCID=ansmsnnews11


Herschend is named in the lawsuit because they manufactured the boats. But, Its all there. And this is just for 2 of the 9 member family. More to come soon. 
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Tmboote on July 30, 2018, 01:58:08 PM
I figured Herschend would get named somehow. It’s unfortunate if this hurts them because they had nothing to do with the boats being on the water in that storm.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on July 30, 2018, 02:35:30 PM
Here is a article from the Washington post about the guy who designed and stretched the ducks. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Herschend manufacture and build all the DUC vehicles when they were franchising out all the other locations ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/26/self-taught-businessman-with-no-engineering-credentials-designed-missouri-duck-boat-records-say/?utm_term=.c9c89da8c70c
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on July 30, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
Here is a article from the Washington post about the guy who designed and stretched the ducks. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Herschend manufacture and build all the DUC vehicles when they were franchising out all the other locations ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/26/self-taught-businessman-with-no-engineering-credentials-designed-missouri-duck-boat-records-say/?utm_term=.c9c89da8c70c


I was told NO.  they modified existing vehicles.... NOT built new ones..?
 
I wasnt able to verify that.. But that is how that discussion went .
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on July 31, 2018, 06:59:47 PM
Well I can somewhat see that Hershend gets named.  After all, they were told years ago those boats were not safe due to the canopy on them.  If they have to pay or not will remain to be seen.  I was in town last night and watched the local news about this.  They lawyer suing on behalf of the family said the goal was to put them out of business.  Also, there has already been $800k raised via a go fund me account, most of which is only for 1 family member.  There was a 2nd lawsuit filed for the company who was there for their 45th wedding anniversary and they are only suing for $25k, but that is just the starting point, they figure it will be $125k.  That seems a far cry from the other suit of $100 million.  That seems like a ludicrous figure.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Gilligan on July 31, 2018, 09:17:55 PM
There was a conference on the news today featuring the Coleman family and a team of lawyers announcing a second lawsuit filed by the Colemans. This lawsuit covers two more of their family members.  If an amount was mentioned, I missed it.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 02, 2018, 01:56:52 AM
Yup this operation is done then.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on August 02, 2018, 06:10:00 AM
Claire McCaskill (never one to let a tragedy go to waste during an election year) has introduced legislation requiring DUKW boats to have higher safety regulations including the removal of all roofs. 

How kind of her and forward thinking of her.   ::)
If by some chance she gets re-elected you won’t see her for another 4 years around these parts
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on August 02, 2018, 10:22:32 AM
Claire McCaskill (never one to let a tragedy go to waste during an election year) has introduced legislation requiring DUKW boats to have higher safety regulations including the removal of all roofs. 

How kind of her and forward thinking of her.   ::)
If by some chance she gets re-elected you won’t see her for another 4 years around these parts

Not unless there is another accident with loss of life or injuries....

Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 02, 2018, 01:21:06 PM
Claire McCaskill (never one to let a tragedy go to waste during an election year) has introduced legislation requiring DUKW boats to have higher safety regulations including the removal of all roofs. 

How kind of her and forward thinking of her.   ::)
If by some chance she gets re-elected you won’t see her for another 4 years around these parts

Not unless there is another accident with loss of life or injuries....

It would be political suicide to do nothing too.

Wish we could let the experts actually make the regulation changes instead of letting the political head just react because they have to or be labeled as being uncaring by there opponents.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2018, 12:08:11 AM
Claire McCaskill (never one to let a tragedy go to waste during an election year) has introduced legislation requiring DUKW boats to have higher safety regulations including the removal of all roofs. 

How kind of her and forward thinking of her.   ::)
If by some chance she gets re-elected you won’t see her for another 4 years around these parts

Not unless there is another accident with loss of life or injuries....

It would be political suicide to do nothing too.

Wish we could let the experts actually make the regulation changes instead of letting the political head just react because they have to or be labeled as being uncaring by there opponents.

She’s just so predictable on stuff like this.  I cannot wait for her to lose her seat. 
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
Claire McCaskill (never one to let a tragedy go to waste during an election year) has introduced legislation requiring DUKW boats to have higher safety regulations including the removal of all roofs. 

How kind of her and forward thinking of her.   ::)
If by some chance she gets re-elected you won’t see her for another 4 years around these parts

Not unless there is another accident with loss of life or injuries....

It would be political suicide to do nothing too.

Wish we could let the experts actually make the regulation changes instead of letting the political head just react because they have to or be labeled as being uncaring by there opponents.

She’s just so predictable on stuff like this.  I cannot wait for her to lose her seat.

She doesn't miss an opportunity to exploit a tragedy.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on August 03, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
I guess its open season to start posting politics on the forum now.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
I guess its open season to start posting politics on the forum now.

Have you ever met her in person?   She’s not a nice person.  Very fake. 
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on August 03, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
I guess its open season to start posting politics on the forum now.

Have you ever met her in person?   She’s not a nice person.  Very fake.

I have not met her in person but she has helped a friend of mine so I will be voting for her. Maybe she is fake but she did what she promised to do for my friend. And that goes a long way with me. 

As for my original post I thought the unwritten rule was to not discuss politics but you opened the can.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: tinmann620 on August 04, 2018, 04:29:07 AM
Politics got involved with the topic at hand, therefore, this bypasses the obvious rule. That being said, they need to keep their noses out of the case, and let the investigators who are trained and experienced, work on it. Simple fact, mother nature is the only one at fault. Sue her.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 04, 2018, 08:02:13 AM
I wonder if the Ripley's Believe it or Not locations are going to survive?  I haven't heard anyone talk about that.  Could the lawyers go after that whole business?  Sell off there collection of stuff?

 
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sirwillow on August 04, 2018, 08:51:02 AM
I wonder if the Ripley's Believe it or Not locations are going to survive?  I haven't heard anyone talk about that.  Could the lawyers go after that whole business?  Sell off there collection of stuff?

If they're smart they'll have it set up as a separate division so that it would only be that division that takes the hint. but that doesn't mean that's how it's set up.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Swoosh on August 04, 2018, 12:29:06 PM
I wonder if the Ripley's Believe it or Not locations are going to survive?  I haven't heard anyone talk about that.  Could the lawyers go after that whole business?  Sell off there collection of stuff?

Well... if they have to sell off their aquariums, HFEC could pick them up and that would be a win in my book. 
The Believe it or Not... would be a good fit for Merlin brand
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: chittlins on August 04, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
Claire has made sure if she loses, that the money was good for her hubby while she was up there. No Todd Akin this time around.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: okiebluegrass on October 05, 2018, 01:07:06 PM
Hello All,

Been forever since I posted. I moved to Branson in 2015 and worked as a cave guide at SDC for two seasons. I was hired to be a duck boat captain in November 2016 but had to turn down the position and move back to OKC to be closer to my teenage daughter. This tragedy hit pretty close to home. It very easily could have been me out on the water that day. I could not bear the thought of going to the lake when I was there in September. So sad.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: KBCraig on November 09, 2018, 12:09:00 AM
The captain was indicted on 17 federal charges.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-duck-boat-captain-indicted-for-deadly-accident/
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on November 09, 2018, 02:26:57 PM
The captain was indicted on 17 federal charges.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-duck-boat-captain-indicted-for-deadly-accident/

There was another article last week about the pump modifications made. If this is true I would bet it was done under Herschend ownership. They were the ones who stretched them out. Pretty sure the ducks are done with.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article220970640.html
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Okiebenz on November 09, 2018, 04:26:28 PM
So if that is the case, Hershend might not be off the hook on this deal.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: Runner1960 on November 09, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
So if that is the case, Hershend might not be off the hook on this deal.

They were named as a defendant in the first lawsuits.
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: sanddunerider on November 09, 2018, 05:35:25 PM
The captain was indicted on 17 federal charges.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-duck-boat-captain-indicted-for-deadly-accident/

There was another article last week about the pump modifications made. If this is true I would bet it was done under Herschend ownership. They were the ones who stretched them out. Pretty sure the ducks are done with.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article220970640.html

I believe that...
 
If and When the Herschands did the "stretch" Modification,
If they did indeed change out the "bilge" Pump" system,
And IF the coast Guard inspected the vehicles at that time and approved them (Which they would have to).

Hershands would not be liable at this time.. 
Not their fault IF somebody else, Did not Maintain the vehicles (IF that is what happened), AFTER they sold them to another entity..

The people filing lawsuits are just using the Shotgun affect... SUE EVERYONE that had anything to do with the Ducks..   

I keep waiting for my notice, I usually do the ducks twice a year..  SInce I spent my money supporting them, I may be liable also :o
Title: Re: Ride The Ducks Boat Capsizes in Storm
Post by: KBCraig on November 09, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
I keep waiting for my notice, I usually do the ducks twice a year..  SInce I spent my money supporting them, I may be liable also :o

I wouldn't be surprised if you get a class action notice, informing you of your rights for being so traumatized that it could have been you.