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Title: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 02, 2018, 07:17:54 AM
WOW!!  wet weather, last day of the month and end of Spring Break...!!

   Sat the 31st.      Only 5,000 people.!!
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 02, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
WOW really?  Saturday was a pretty nice day wasn't it?  Sunday not so much.  Guess I should have went up there.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 03, 2018, 07:46:09 AM
Yes, strange number for saturday..??...

Sunday doesnt count, park was closed for Easter.
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Post by: npd652 on April 03, 2018, 10:33:06 AM
I was there Saturday and can confirm that it wasn't busy at all. Every ride was walk on except for Time Traveler and after the rain storm it shut down for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 03, 2018, 01:51:46 PM
Mental note:  Rainy Saturdays before an Easter Sunday are good days to go.  lol.

In hindsight....it kind of makes since that it would be light on a weekend holiday that most families like to stay close to home.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 03, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Mental note:  Rainy Saturdays before an Easter Sunday are good days to go.  lol.

In hindsight....it kind of makes since that it would be light on a weekend holiday that most families like to stay close to home.

That is true too... in fact the PTB estimated sat's attendence to only be about 9,000 people anyway...
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Post by: Swoosh on April 03, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Mental note:  Rainy Saturdays before an Easter Sunday are good days to go.  lol.

In hindsight....it kind of makes since that it would be light on a weekend holiday that most families like to stay close to home.

That is true too... in fact the PTB estimated sat's attendence to only be about 9,000 people anyway...

This is so not true of most tourist locations.  Orlando was slammed this past weekend
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Tmboote on April 03, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Mental note:  Rainy Saturdays before an Easter Sunday are good days to go.  lol.

In hindsight....it kind of makes since that it would be light on a weekend holiday that most families like to stay close to home.

That is true too... in fact the PTB estimated sat's attendence to only be about 9,000 people anyway...

This is so not true of most tourist locations.  Orlando was slammed this past weekend

Last year when I was at Disney over Easter it was actually less busy than I expected it to be.

Considering SDC isn’t actually open on Easter, it doesn’t surprise me that there wouldn’t be that many people there Saturday. I feel like people who go on trips over Easter break want to go somewhere they can do something on Sunday and how many Branson attractions are actually open on Easter?
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 03, 2018, 09:20:16 PM
What do you all think Friday and Saturday this week will be like?  Weather looks colder and maybe rainy.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Swoosh on April 03, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
What do you all think Friday and Saturday this week will be like?  Weather looks colder and maybe rainy.

This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 03, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
What do you all think Friday and Saturday this week will be like?  Weather looks colder and maybe rainy.

This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

lol...theirs got to be a least 2 entertaining stories behind these feelings.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 04, 2018, 07:45:39 AM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

What a perfect weekend NOT to go to the city!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 04, 2018, 08:23:35 AM
Crap, I just noticed that, I was just looking at potential cold rainy weather and figured it would be slow.  I guess I will cancel my room at the Classic and maybe go the following weekend.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 04, 2018, 08:41:31 AM
So my original plan was Thursday Friday and Saturday but they are closed Thursday so we were going Friday and Saturday.  Won't these "Christians" be in school Friday?  Which is supposed to have PM rain. That leaves Saturday which looks like high is 48.  I am reading their website and it talks about youth groups.  I take that to mean bus load after bus load of kids?  Is that correct?  If so, they will be there rain or shine I would think.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 04, 2018, 08:51:38 AM
So my original plan was Thursday Friday and Saturday but they are closed Thursday so we were going Friday and Saturday.  Won't these "Christians" be in school Friday?  Which is supposed to have PM rain. That leaves Saturday which looks like high is 48.  I am reading their website and it talks about youth groups.  I take that to mean bus load after bus load of kids?  Is that correct?  If so, they will be there rain or shine I would think.
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LOL>.. you should be good on Friday,  Yes, Bus load after Bus load after Bus load of "Young Christians (that act like little spoiled heathens)..  I am sure they will be there.. The City plans several "events" just for the them that weekend..

OK>  Dont get me wrong,  I think what the park is doing is a great idea, the special effort they put out for the Young Christians is awesome..!!  I love their effort...  The majority of the kids are fine, well behaved and more than deserve this weekend....
   
BUT those few kids., the troublemakers...... really take the fun our of it for everyone else..
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: chittlins on April 04, 2018, 10:08:48 AM
Mental note:  Rainy Saturdays before an Easter Sunday are good days to go.  lol.

In hindsight....it kind of makes since that it would be light on a weekend holiday that most families like to stay close to home.

That is true too... in fact the PTB estimated sat's attendence to only be about 9,000 people anyway...

This is so not true of most tourist locations.  Orlando was slammed this past weekend

Some regions all just now enjoying spring break. I was told last Tues that the next week would be busier. I was SO glad we had those extra 3 fast passes per person for our day at WDW.  We used our regular ones for BTMRR, 7DMT and Pan.  The GrandMom and Mother let the kids double dip at two of those with their FPs  and we used the freebies on rides we all rode, Jungle Cruise, POTC and again let the kids double dip at Space. We all hit Haunted Mansion right after fireworks for a 15 minute wait. The kids had zero interest in Barnstormer this trip, amazing what 3 years will do as they rode it over and over last time,(without much of a wait in the first week of Feb).  Presidents Hall had armed guards, something I missed seeing that the last time (and Conservatives are the hateful bunch 8)).

So, in summary, Disney is a different beast.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 04, 2018, 03:55:36 PM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: History Buff on April 04, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*

On the nose.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: chittlins on April 04, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
Why does the park continue it? Couldn't most of this be spread out during a festival. It's like a park that's haVing some choir or band day.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Swoosh on April 04, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*

Well it’s not so much a “lack of supervision” but rather a “lack of QUALITY supervison”.  They send youth pastors along on these trips and usually they’re only 3-4 years older than the kids they’re supposed to be watching.  Then add on to that that the youth pastors are more trying to be their friends than supervisors. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 05, 2018, 07:15:26 AM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*

Well it’s not so much a “lack of supervision” but rather a “lack of QUALITY supervison”.  They send youth pastors along on these trips and usually they’re only 3-4 years older than the kids they’re supposed to be watching.  Then add on to that that the youth pastors are more trying to be their friends than supervisors.

Lets go back a little more than that,,,,  possibly lack of parenting at the home to begin with..
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 05, 2018, 10:09:23 AM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*

Youth ministry is a complex topic.  My church has a large youth ministry mission that is often a double edge sword for our church.  Our Wednesday night youth services are as large as the sunday morning services because we bring in a lot neighboring kids who's families are not active in church but basically use us as a babysitter or just a safe place to go out of the house once a week.  We have a youth lead worship band, full-time youth leader/minister, and feed them every Wednesday.  Our ministry goal is to just try build relationships with the kids and families and be a light in the community.  Maybe a seed or two can be planted.  The church does get a handful a new members/families regularly.  The downside is that we have families in the church that don't send their kids on Wednesday because we have a 'rougher' or less controlled environment because it's so open.  The church has had to deal with some incidents too from the kids and puts a lot of pressure on both the paid and volunteer leadership on those nights.  A few family's have left because of situations with non-churched kids.  Our facilities take a beating too when you have 70-100 pre-teen and teens in the building.  I used to volunteer to help and teach but I would only do it a quarter at a time.....it was exhausting....and they do struggle keeping good volunteers around.  I've personally gone back in forth myself on allowing my kids to go but I know the heart of the mission is solid...the leaders are good....and frankly that controlled environment is actually a good stepping stone to the real world. 

We don't do many trips like the SDC weekend (never have done SDC)...they do weekend conferences sometimes and when they do it's usually just select youth leaders in an effort to team build with each other and plan out events for the church.  But for smaller churches this might be a highlight of the year for the youth...and the churches best method to try to create some new relationships in there communities..."Come go to SDC with us" It's not really about them hearing the right song during the weekend....though it doesn't hurt....it's about possible planting a seed and hopefully creating some good relationships with kids who need them.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: coasterdad on April 05, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
This is Young Heathens Weekend.  It’ll be stupid busy with teenagers without adult supervision.  Massive line cutting and overall rude behavior.  It really is the worst weekend of the entire year.  It ticks me off too as these as supposed to be “Christians” too.  Takes the park a good week to recover from the vandalism.

And it's so frustrating, both from a worker's point of view as well as a pastor's.  The lack of supervision is a huge part of the problem- what do teens do when they aren't supervised?  Test the limits of what they can get away with.  And there is this idiotic idea out there very common in churches that this is a great event to take all of those kids who would normally not go anywhere near the church to- kids they would normally have little or nothing to do with and that they don't know.  Because they think that somehow these kids will hear a few licks of music and it will transform them, but in the mean time they turn them loose to wreak havok (which is why they normally wouldn't be at church to begin with)

Meantime everyone else assumes that all of them are "Christian" and that is what Christians are like, and it becomes an utter failure all the way around.  Well, except for those trouble making kids who got a free (or nearly free) day at SDC out of it. *sigh*

Youth ministry is a complex topic.  My church has a large youth ministry mission that is often a double edge sword for our church.  Our Wednesday night youth services are as large as the sunday morning services because we bring in a lot neighboring kids who's families are not active in church but basically use us as a babysitter or just a safe place to go out of the house once a week.  We have a youth lead worship band, full-time youth leader/minister, and feed them every Wednesday.  Our ministry goal is to just try build relationships with the kids and families and be a light in the community.  Maybe a seed or two can be planted.  The church does get a handful a new members/families regularly.  The downside is that we have families in the church that don't send their kids on Wednesday because we have a 'rougher' or less controlled environment because it's so open.  The church has had to deal with some incidents too from the kids and puts a lot of pressure on both the paid and volunteer leadership on those nights.  A few family's have left because of situations with non-churched kids.  Our facilities take a beating too when you have 70-100 pre-teen and teens in the building.  I used to volunteer to help and teach but I would only do it a quarter at a time.....it was exhausting....and they do struggle keeping good volunteers around.  I've personally gone back in forth myself on allowing my kids to go but I know the heart of the mission is solid...the leaders are good....and frankly that controlled environment is actually a good stepping stone to the real world. 

We don't do many trips like the SDC weekend (never have done SDC)...they do weekend conferences sometimes and when they do it's usually just select youth leaders in an effort to team build with each other and plan out events for the church.  But for smaller churches this might be a highlight of the year for the youth...and the churches best method to try to create some new relationships in there communities..."Come go to SDC with us" It's not really about them hearing the right song during the weekend....though it doesn't hurt....it's about possible planting a seed and hopefully creating some good relationships with kids who need them.


as a former YP I can say 100% you nailed this
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 05, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
But for smaller churches this might be a highlight of the year for the youth...and the churches best method to try to create some new relationships in there communities..."Come go to SDC with us" It's not really about them hearing the right song during the weekend....though it doesn't hurt....it's about possible planting a seed and hopefully creating some good relationships with kids who need them.

But in cases like that, then the groups, including the leaders, tend to stick together.  They might break up into smaller groups, but because they are working on building relationships and planting seeds, they still keep them in groups and usually with some supervision.  Those are not the groups that cause problems.  As a youth pastor for years, that's what we did.  But I also insisted on knowing the kids before they could come on a trip like that.  We didn't allow kids that we didn't know to join us. They had to establish some sort of relationship with us first.

Those groups are NOT the problem at events like this. They ARE however also not typical of many of the groups that do go.  And that's the sad thing. 

Unfortunately I learned that the hard way as a youth pastor, lead pastor, and a theme park worker and having to deal with the large numbers of kids that were turned loose as soon as they walked in the gates to do whatever they please, and if you asked them what church or group they were with they couldn't even tell you because they had never done anything with them before.  And those are the ones that cause the problems.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 06, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
Anybody over there today? If the ride times on the app can be believed it does not look like it is very busy.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 06, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
Anybody over there today? If the ride times on the app can be believed it does not look like it is very busy.

As of 2:00 this afternoon,  3000 people. had been through the gates today.. :-\
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 07, 2018, 09:26:48 AM
Should be interesting to see what the numbers are like today, with the light dusting of snow on the ground.  Really tempted to get up and go myself.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 07, 2018, 09:34:54 AM
Should be interesting to see what the numbers are like today, with the light dusting of snow on the ground.  Really tempted to get up and go myself.

With this being Young Christians Weekend, no way to find out how many people going are affiliated with the groups... or just going//

The "good" thing is.. the colder weather will discourage everyday visitors and they wont have to put up with the kids and get frustrated... ;D ;D.

The bad thing is the kids will be going nuts with the rides closed and cooler temps.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 07, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Anybody over there today? If the ride times on the app can be believed it does not look like it is very busy.

As of 2:00 this afternoon,  3000 people. had been through the gates today.. :-\

Well darn maybe I should have went after all.  Looks like all the rides are closed today
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 07, 2018, 10:01:08 PM

With this being Young Christians Weekend, no way to find out how many people going are affiliated with the groups... or just going//

The bad thing is the kids will be going nuts with the rides closed and cooler temps.... ::) ::)

That was why I didn't end up going.  I initially forgot it was Young Christians Weekend, but happy I remembered before I left.  And with all the rides closed because of the temps- not a place I would want to be...

I'll be out there next Sunday afternoon for a little bit at least.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 08, 2018, 07:13:36 AM
Saturday 9300 people.   Good thing they had the Young Christians weekend.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 08, 2018, 04:42:29 PM
As of 4 this afternoon..  (sunday),  8000 people
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 08, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
Swoosh's doom and gloom comments scared everyone off....or maybe it was the weather  :P
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 08, 2018, 07:14:47 PM
Swoosh's doom and gloom comments scared everyone off....or maybe it was the weather  :P

NO, This time it was the weather AND Young Christians Weekend...........   


we can blame the next slow weekend on Swoosh ;)
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 11, 2018, 07:15:32 PM
Only 3500 people today  (wed).... 1st day of the new Festival....
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Gilligan on April 11, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
Today was GREAT!  What can I say? Perfect weather, walk on rides, shows were great, small crowd all morning.  I'm sure there were more than 3500 people on park by mid afternoon.  Walkways were getting congested.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 12, 2018, 07:34:37 AM
Today was GREAT!  What can I say? Perfect weather, walk on rides, shows were great, small crowd all morning.  I'm sure there were more than 3500 people on park by mid afternoon.  Walkways were getting congested.

Im glad you had a good day,  i would like to hit the park sometime with that low of a count AND nice outside...

3500 was the official count....  maybe they were all on the same walkway at the same time..   LOL..  that seems to be the way it happens..
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 12, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
Yes, it was perfect yesterday. Going back today
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 12, 2018, 10:08:52 AM
Won’t be near as pleasant today. Many bus loads of kids out front. Hordes of kids everywhere.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 12, 2018, 03:20:01 PM
Won’t be near as pleasant today. Many bus loads of kids out front. Hordes of kids everywhere.
It's also their cheap tickets day, so that brings in more people.  Combined with perfect weather...
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 12, 2018, 04:01:20 PM
Won’t be near as pleasant today. Many bus loads of kids out front. Hordes of kids everywhere.

As of 3:00.   6000 people, 

Hope it isnt to bad for you Okiebenz!
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Gilligan on April 12, 2018, 08:21:00 PM
Today is Math/Science Day.  Yup, bus loads of kids.  A lot of them had math and science activities to complete that were set up for them around the park.  It was fairly busy when I got there right after 10.  Shows didn't seem to have much attendance this morning (very few kids - lol), but the rides sure did.  I have to say, though, I did not see one kid misbehaving.  I don't know if they were well supervised, or just busy, but it was a great day.  We had to leave early about 1:00 and we were walking out against the crowd, so definitely busier today.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 13, 2018, 06:47:42 AM
Today is Math/Science Day.  Yup, bus loads of kids.  A lot of them had math and science activities to complete that were set up for them around the park.  It was fairly busy when I got there right after 10.  Shows didn't seem to have much attendance this morning (and they weren't kids - lol), but the rides sure did.  I have to say, though, I did not see one kid misbehaving.  I don't know if they were well supervised, or just busy, but it was a great day.  We had to leave early about 1:00 and we were walking out against the crowd, so definitely busier today.

I am glad they were well behaved...  the final count was only 6300 people..    should have been a good day for everyone...  get you coats out! cold weekend ahead....(again :-[)
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: chittlins on April 13, 2018, 08:06:15 AM
Looks like SDC is stuck in a sucky weekend weather pattern as even next weekend's weather looks less than promising.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 13, 2018, 04:53:45 PM
WOW!!   as of 4:00 today (friday)....    2400 people....??? :o :o

Okiebenz.... How was it today?
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: chittlins on April 13, 2018, 05:20:03 PM
There's a tornado warned cell heading toward the city, ot's about over Green Forrest Arkansas. Mountainburg AR got hit and cars got blown over on I-49
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Gilligan on April 13, 2018, 09:04:12 PM
Sand, I got there about 9:30.  It was light, but filling up fairly quickly. Steady stream of people in Delilah's while we were there for coffee (only place on park that has half and half that I know of). Couldn't get in the Pickers homestead - every seat taken. Illusionist show was 2/3 full and about the same for Harp and Hang.  I left about 2:30.  Hubs just said there were at least double 2400 people there before we left.  Train had a good crowd, but I noticed the cars weren't packed as usual. Most seats were taken on back porch of Culinary School, but too windy for me back there, so we left. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 13, 2018, 10:25:22 PM
Won’t be near as pleasant today. Many bus loads of kids out front. Hordes of kids everywhere.

As of 3:00.   6000 people, 

Hope it isnt to bad for you Okiebenz!

It looked like it was going to be bad, but it turned out to be just great. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 13, 2018, 10:26:51 PM
WOW!!   as of 4:00 today (friday)....    2400 people....??? :o :o

Okiebenz.... How was it today?

We did not go today, I figured it would be packed, so we just headed back home. I guess we should have hit it a 3rd day.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 15, 2018, 01:59:20 PM
Talked to a couple of people at the city today..(sunday)...   customers not employees,  almost nobody there...

As of noon-- 1300 people..
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Jemmicat on April 15, 2018, 04:35:31 PM
It did not even feel like that many. I am guessing most left by 2 ish. I sae the saloon show with about 30 other people. I felt horrible for the performers.

It was horrible weather wise though. I have been there in winter and all but that wind today was just biting. And there was no hiding from it. They had pretty mich pulled thenheaters from everyplace so nowhere to go
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 15, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
It did not even feel like that many. I am guessing most left by 2 ish. I sae the saloon show with about 30 other people. I felt horrible for the performers.

It was horrible weather wise though. I have been there in winter and all but that wind today was just biting. And there was no hiding from it. They had pretty mich pulled thenheaters from everyplace so nowhere to go

Todays total........1650 :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 15, 2018, 06:48:24 PM
Figured it was low like that.  Haven't seen numbers that low in a long time.  As a guest, it was wonderful, though a lot was closed due to the cold.  No big deal.  For the shows it mean center seating near the front with awesome views.  And the shows I did see the performers did great, even with the small crowds.

This time of year the weather being so hit or miss can easily play havok, and it looks like it's doing it again this year.  I remember one year during World Fest when I worked there (might have been 2012 or 2013) we didn't have a decent weather weekend the whole month.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 15, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
Figured it was low like that.  Haven't seen numbers that low in a long time.  As a guest, it was wonderful, though a lot was closed due to the cold.  No big deal.  For the shows it mean center seating near the front with awesome views.  And the shows I did see the performers did great, even with the small crowds.

This time of year the weather being so hit or miss can easily play havok, and it looks like it's doing it again this year.  I remember one year during World Fest when I worked there (might have been 2012 or 2013) we didn't have a decent weather weekend the whole month.

Opening weekend for outlaw run, it was cold and snowing on sunday, wind blowing..I was there, walked through the new area for outlw run and then a quick look around the rest of the park... it was nasty.. no rides open, they cancelled outside shows... by noon there had only been 200 people through the gate.. they started sending employees home by 1...
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Okiebenz on April 15, 2018, 09:36:13 PM
Makes me wish I was there today.  Instead the starter on my truck decided to die this morning so I got to swap it out in the cold windy weather today. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 16, 2018, 08:04:27 AM
Makes me wish I was there today.  Instead the starter on my truck decided to die this morning so I got to swap it out in the cold windy weather today. 

That sux... I do most of my own wrenching,   so I do understand.... ::)
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 18, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
Off to a slow start this week...
Wed the 18th.....
@ 2:00--3800 people

total for the day, only 4100 people.. 
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: HikerDan on April 19, 2018, 09:20:30 AM
Anybody know what a normal attendance total would be for a weekday during WorldFest/Festival of Wonder?  I have absolutely no idea, so there's really nothing for me to compare with the 4,000 through the gate on Wednesday number. It doesn't sound too bad for a Wednesday in April, but maybe SDC is hoping for better numbers this year.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: chittlins on April 19, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
The weekend weather has been craptastic and the trend will continue this weekend. Arkansas Baseball is Top 5 and even when we are average a decent weather weekend means 33,000 over three games. It's down this year...the darn weather.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 19, 2018, 10:26:59 AM
Anybody know what a normal attendance total would be for a weekday during WorldFest/Festival of Wonder?  I have absolutely no idea, so there's really nothing for me to compare with the 4,000 through the gate on Wednesday number. It doesn't sound too bad for a Wednesday in April, but maybe SDC is hoping for better numbers this year.

I dont know how the PTB arrive at the "Expected attendence",  But yestarday's  magic number was 7000 people..


Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: Jemmicat on April 19, 2018, 11:02:44 AM
"I dont know how the PTB arrive at the "Expected attendence",  But yestarday's  magic number was 7000 people.."

I have always wondered this. From what I was told some time ago, they base it on historical trends for the day. Not really related to weather. And that is how they get burned in my opinion. I mean, when a historical trend for say April 18 is 7k people without taking weather into account, there really is no way to be correct. If you staff for 7k people and it is an 85 degree day, you make everyone angry because you are understaffed. And if you staff for the same amount and it is 50 and raining, you have WAY too many people.

I do not know how far ahead they schedule workers, but it seems like using a historical attendance without taking into account so many other factors is what most of the problems are.

I go back into looking at it from an engineering perspective... If you look at it based off past value plus about 4 other factors, you could probably get your staffing estimates within about 10% and also keep a lot more people happy. SDC truly needs an industrial engineer or someone like that on staff. And why they don't is a bit beyond me...

I think it would be a fun job to do that. And perhaps you even pay the person a lesser amount and then they get bonuses based on accuracy of prediction and savings in labor or guest happiness.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sanddunerider on April 19, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
Another slow day at the park...

expected about 7,000

today at 4:00 ---  3900 people..   

the weather is supposed to be cool and rainy again this weekend, not a good start for the year.. :(.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 19, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
Anybody know what a normal attendance total would be for a weekday during WorldFest/Festival of Wonder?  I have absolutely no idea, so there's really nothing for me to compare with the 4,000 through the gate on Wednesday number. It doesn't sound too bad for a Wednesday in April, but maybe SDC is hoping for better numbers this year.

4000 people is a light crowd.  To help translate that, it will mean that most rides are short to no waits, the train might run half full on almost all runs, and the shows won't be anywhere near capacity.  A more "proper" weekday crowd that would actually be closer to meeting their budgets would be around 7000 to 8000 during the week.
Being below 4000 means there is a good chance they are losing money on that day.

Busier times of year you should see 9-10,000 on weekdays.  Weekends shouldn't be below 12,000, and on a summer Saturday should be over 15,000.  Busy days will have 18,000, and the Christmas crowds you're looking around 20,000.  The busiest days the park has had are going to be in the 24,000 people range.  When the park is over 19,000, well, those are days you don't want to be there with the long lines for everything and it feeling on the packed side.
Title: Re: Attendence number....
Post by: sirwillow on April 19, 2018, 07:57:20 PM

I have always wondered this. From what I was told some time ago, they base it on historical trends for the day. Not really related to weather. And that is how they get burned in my opinion.
I do not know how far ahead they schedule workers, but it seems like using a historical attendance without taking into account so many other factors is what most of the problems are.

Employees want their schedules ahead of time. Well ahead of time.  The goal is to have employee schedules done at least a week ahead, and oftentimes 2.  That's only fair to the workers so they can plan instead of having to wait until the last minute to know if they are going to work or not.

Unfortunately that doesn't work in conjunction with weather forecasts, which will often change, and may be unknown until 3 or 4 days ahead of time.  I don't know anyone who wants to be finding out if they work or not 2-3 days in advance, but if you're trying to make schedules based on weather reports, that is what you would end up doing.

While basing it on past attendance isn't perfect, it does at least show trends for festivals and times of year, along with events, and until someone learns how to see in to the future, I'm not aware of a better way to figure out what it might look like except to see what it was like averaged out in the past.  But it does mean "missing" sometimes, one way or the other.