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Title: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2018, 09:17:47 AM
http://www.wbir.com/mobile/article/news/local/dollywood-developing-5-acre-expansion/51-526144541

Continuing the discussion over the MASSIVE clearing taking place at DW right now, it has now been leaked that an indoor play area (Fireman's Landing for DW), a Frisbee pendulum ride, and an indoor roller coaster are in the works, among other things. It's not clear whether they are all coming next year, or if it's being built in stages, but my assumption is that a few rides and the play area are coming next year with the new roller coaster following.

The news of a new indoor roller coaster is HUGE to me. Every indoor attraction HFE has built has been amazing. Plus, if DW is getting one, that means SDC will get one soon as well! Hopefully for both parks' sake, it's not at the cost of FITH and Blazing Fury.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2018, 10:24:11 AM
OK, so apparently here are the actual blueprints: https://www.pigeonforgetnguide.com/blog/things-to-do/dollywood-expansion-2019/#

I got overly excited reading the new's report description. Apparently there's actually no indoor roller coaster, and the pendulum ride is a swinging ship, not a frisbee as I had assumed.

Looks like the coaster is a family suspended? Hard to tell. I don't know why they thought it was indoors, I guess because they showed it with the ride envelope around it.

Seems like a very "family" oriented area. Basically a bigger Fireman's Landing with a coaster and new rides. Can't decipher the theme yet, but it might be "snow".  ::)
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: cowboy on March 06, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
That "roller coaster" is very interesting looking considering it looks like an enclosed tube like ride and there are fans on the support columns. I was almost guessing a bobsled type coaster......but the fans are interesting to say the least.

Jay
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: chittlins on March 06, 2018, 11:55:23 AM
That "roller coaster" is very interesting looking considering it looks like an enclosed tube like ride and there are fans on the support columns. I was almost guessing a bobsled type coaster......but the fans are interesting to say the least.

Jay
Snow goes with bobsled so an encloses bobsled the fans used to help the "chill" factor. Will it have cooling system other than fans. World's first 4d enclosed bobsled ride?
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2018, 03:37:21 PM
More like worlds first suspended 4D bobslead, lol. On closer inspection the layout matches one of the newer standard Vekoma family invert layouts. The supports definitely attach at the top when you look closely at the station detail. I really think it is just a standard Vekoma jr. invert with the ride envelope shown around the track. The news people saw that and thought it was enclosed.

That got me so excited, and then so disappointed when I figured out what was really happening. Oh well, it's a nice addition. I'd like to see what the theme is though, because it's a lot of rides thrown around and DW has a poor recent history of throwing too many rides into an area. It feels more like a typical amusement park with each passing year. I've complained about the "wilderness" area in the back before... but it should be better this year with the cheap splash battle gone.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 06, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Knowing how Hershend does two park deals with manufacturers, has anyone considered this mystery coaster being Dollywood's answer to Time Traveler? https://mack-rides.com/products/rollercoaster/inverted-powered-coaster/
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Wildfire on March 06, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
I wonder if SDC will get a Vekoma family invert.  There is plenty of room for a smaller coaster next to FL in the waterbogan footprint.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 06, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
Knowing how Hershend does two park deals with manufacturers, has anyone considered this mystery coaster being Dollywood's answer to Time Traveler? https://mack-rides.com/products/rollercoaster/inverted-powered-coaster/

My speculation vote agrees with this.  Good call.  Seems like a great family ride and another 'first' for the US.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: chittlins on March 06, 2018, 06:42:25 PM
I wonder if SDC will get a Vekoma family invert.  There is plenty of room for a smaller coaster next to FL in the waterbogan footprint.

Maybe a dueling family boomerang? But..... where is the second Mack?  I was hoping that the DW drop tower would lead to a Star Flyer somewhere, hopefully SDC. Same company. The views a several 100ft. Star Flyer would give SDC riders would be stunning. DW ended up with two Gerstlauers with Mystery Mine and Firechaser Express. Sadly, we all know what happened to our GCI woodie for Branson.

When and where will the second Mack coaster come out of Hiding. Give me a Mack Hyper at SDC and I'll be happy. Will Wild Adventures be gaining a  used splash battle soon as it's much farther south and more seasonal of a park.

New dueling Family Boomerang

https://youtu.be/UlC7b5f-KL4

(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/27747681_743723522464935_5963861208668741828_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2018, 07:40:20 PM
Oh, there are tons of implications for SDC in all this. Each new ride is something that could come to SDC unless we already have something similar. I guess we should try to keep the SDC speculation in the SDC threads though and focus on DW here.

This is a pretty big dead end for DW though. Then again, for years the park was one giant dead-end, so it's not that unique of a situation for them.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 07, 2018, 03:21:19 AM
Eww, so upon further inspection it does look like a cloned Vekoma ride. I really would hate to see SDC and DW pull a Six Flags and jump on the importing cloned coasters bandwagon. They are above that sort of thing. It would detract from the uniqueness of their parks.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Bobby2889 on March 07, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
The layout in the concept matches up with the newest model vekoma Suspended Coaster, like this one.
https://rcdb.com/10902.htm (https://rcdb.com/10902.htm)

With the right theming this area could look fantastic. I would also believe this is the first step to connecting the park to the second train loop and will only temporarily come to a dead end like Timber Canyon originally did.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Swoosh on July 24, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
Iíll just leave this here.   :D

Announcement is Aug 3
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sanddunerider on July 25, 2018, 06:30:40 AM
Iíll just leave this here.   :D

Announcement is Aug 3

LOL<,  Now thats a clue!...   
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on July 25, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
Sounds good to me. I was really thinking we might see the snow theme after all based on some of the area sketches. Still not sure what those fans are supposed to be on the invert.

This has the potential to be really transformation (again) for the park. After the flop (IMO) of Wilderness Pass, this will have the potential to get back to heavy theming and immersive environments that they were doing so well with in Timber Canyon.

Although some don't like it, you have to admit that they did a lot of creative things with Fireman's Landing, and it has a really fun atmosphere and charm of it's own even with all the rides packed in close. I am looking forward to DW's take on it.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: shavethewhales on August 03, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
https://blog.dollywood.com/index.php/2018/08/03/dollywoods-new-land-offers-attractions-experiences/

Here's the announcement. Fantasy Forest theme, with a lot of emphasis on the fantasy. Looks nice, though the concept sketches are too artistic to see how much themeing there will really be. Obviously with this theme it will be a lot of landscaping. Luckily DW is good at landscaping and has a much bigger budget in that regard than SDC.

I love the continued "land" additions. Each one has a fun theme and packs in a lot of rides and attractions, but the theme and effort to make it a collective experience really sets them apart from other parks that make additions like these. SFOT's new area with several rides is literally just a bunch of asphalt with some rides plunked down, for example. Even though I would rather have more smokey mountain historical/cultural themes, I appreciate the continued effort to develop extensive themed areas.

Rides of note in this addition include the Vekoma family invert and the Larson Flyers. Celebration City actually got one of the first "new-gen" Larson Flyers, but this is the first new purchase from Larson in awhile for HFEC. Buying a new ride from Vekoma is a big deal considering Vekoma's revamped product line.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: chittlins on August 06, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
Sounds good to me. I was really thinking we might see the snow theme after all based on some of the area sketches. Still not sure what those fans are supposed to be on the invert.

This has the potential to be really transformation (again) for the park. After the flop (IMO) of Wilderness Pass, this will have the potential to get back to heavy theming and immersive environments that they were doing so well with in Timber Canyon.

Although some don't like it, you have to admit that they did a lot of creative things with Fireman's Landing, and it has a really fun atmosphere and charm of it's own even with all the rides packed in close. I am looking forward to DW's take on it.

I was expecting a mack  coaster but it was obvious months ago this was a vekoma family suspended. They arw great for families too. We now know that Herchend is open to vekoma rides going forward. It also seems like the days of two big rides per company is over.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
We now know that Herchend is open to vekoma rides going forward. It also seems like the days of two big rides per company is over.

Well I think it's been common knowledge that the next major addition to SDC is coming in 2020.  The real question is what and where.  Whatever SDC does, I am sure they want to continue to make a splash in the industry as they are becoming known as a destination park.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: chittlins on August 06, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
We now know that Herchend is open to vekoma rides going forward. It also seems like the days of two big rides per company is over.

Well I think it's been common knowledge that the next major addition to SDC is coming in 2020.  The real question is what and where.  Whatever SDC does, I am sure they want to continue to make a splash in the industry as they are becoming known as a destination park.

I'm hoping the FLY coaster that vekoma is buidling for Phantasisland is open when we are there next summer. I can easily see this being bat themed and if it is worth a damn a great fit for SDC
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
We now know that Herchend is open to vekoma rides going forward. It also seems like the days of two big rides per company is over.

Well I think it's been common knowledge that the next major addition to SDC is coming in 2020.  The real question is what and where.  Whatever SDC does, I am sure they want to continue to make a splash in the industry as they are becoming known as a destination park.

I'm hoping the FLY coaster that vekoma is buidling for Phantasisland is open when we are there next summer. I can easily see this being bat themed and if it is worth a damn a great fit for SDC

If weíre going to do a bat themed coaster, why canít we just copy AcroBAT and get a flyer?
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 06, 2018, 07:40:22 PM

Well I think it's been common knowledge that the next major addition to SDC is coming in 2020.  The real question is what and where.  Whatever SDC does, I am sure they want to continue to make a splash in the industry as they are becoming known as a destination park.

Well with that being said, SDC has been officially ranked as the 4th best U.S. theme park. We could now be seeing a lot of additional investment over the next few years on the same scope that we have been currently seeing at Dollywood over the past decade. (who was ranked in at #6, surprisingly enough)

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2018/06/22/usa-today-poll-rates-silver-dollar-city-among-top-5-amusement-parks/715901002/
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sirwillow on August 06, 2018, 10:51:30 PM

Well with that being said, SDC has been officially ranked as the 4th best U.S. theme park. We could now be seeing a lot of additional investment over the next few years on the same scope that we have been currently seeing at Dollywood over the past decade. (who was ranked in at #6, surprisingly enough)

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2018/06/22/usa-today-poll-rates-silver-dollar-city-among-top-5-amusement-parks/715901002/

As much as I love SDC, count me among those that considers the list to not be officially anything that means much.  Top 20 parks picked by their "experts", and then narrowed down.  Not even referring the questionable tastes of a couple of the starting experts, to put SFMM at number 1- when it has almost nothing but coasters anymore, and to not have a Disney or Universal park in there...

I'm not knocking any of those parks, but at least 2 of them I might not have even considered for the top 30.   And there are other fairly glaring omissions of parks that I would have put well above several of these.

SDC would possibly crack my top 10, but it wouldn't be very high up.  And I love SDC.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: cowboy on August 07, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
I guess it just really comes down to personal preference.

I have been to Disney World a couple of times, and it is almost perfect, but the wait for the rides is long and the thrill factor just isn't there. But there is so much they do right (shows, theme, food, etc). But, I also liked Disneyland better than World.....World I was ready to leave, Land I ran out of time...

Six Flags and Cedar Fair, if on a good day where there isn't many lines, are great fun. The rides are great thrills, but the theming isn't present or can be laughable. Food not so great, shows are okay, etc. Definitely a thrill seekers park.

To me SDC (and Dollywood) combines the two, plus throws in a natural wonder with Marvel Cave and the natural beauty of the trees and hills. The rides are fun, theming is present, food good, shows great, shopping, etc. - I just think SDC does a great job of having something for everyone.

So I could see how SDC and Dollywood are rated as a top 10 parks, however, I'm still baffled at SFMM being No. 1.

Jay

Edit......added the word Dollywood to try and make this fit that thread better.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Runner1960 on August 07, 2018, 04:58:01 PM

Well with that being said, SDC has been officially ranked as the 4th best U.S. theme park. We could now be seeing a lot of additional investment over the next few years on the same scope that we have been currently seeing at Dollywood over the past decade. (who was ranked in at #6, surprisingly enough)

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2018/06/22/usa-today-poll-rates-silver-dollar-city-among-top-5-amusement-parks/715901002/

I agree, all these online best of polls are nothing more than clickbait. No Disney or Universal ? Sorry, as much as I like SDC they cannot hold a candle to theming at the best of the best. What would Disney have done with TT ? I could only imagine.

As much as I love SDC, count me among those that considers the list to not be officially anything that means much.  Top 20 parks picked by their "experts", and then narrowed down.  Not even referring the questionable tastes of a couple of the starting experts, to put SFMM at number 1- when it has almost nothing but coasters anymore, and to not have a Disney or Universal park in there...

I'm not knocking any of those parks, but at least 2 of them I might not have even considered for the top 30.   And there are other fairly glaring omissions of parks that I would have put well above several of these.

SDC would possibly crack my top 10, but it wouldn't be very high up.  And I love SDC.
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: mg on August 07, 2018, 05:47:50 PM
It looks like the tree will have a nightly show with fireworks (I'm sure that the fireworks part won't be nightly though).

More info is in the video here: https://www.dollywood.com/themepark/Rides/Wildwood-Grove
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 09, 2018, 04:56:01 AM
I was expecting a mack  coaster but it was obvious months ago this was a vekoma family suspended. They arw great for families too. We now know that Herchend is open to vekoma rides going forward. It also seems like the days of two big rides per company is over.

I read over on TPR and another site that this is only Phase 1 of a larger expansion and that they have only used 1/3 of the land for this new area, so the latter part of your statement could be premature as the rest could be used for a large coaster installation in the following years, perhaps a Mack hyper and/or launch coaster sometime around 2021? (could also make up for the LR debacle installing the latter)
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2018, 09:29:22 AM
Will the remainder of the land be used for expansions? Yes.  Will it be any time in the near future? No. 

The park keeps hammering on Wildwood Grove being near the end of the guaranteed amount they said they were adding to the park over 10 years. 
Title: Re: Dollywood 2019
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2018, 02:12:06 AM
In regard to the online polls and the recent rankings SDC and Dollywood have received on polls from the likes of tripadvisor and USAToday. it's publicity that's seen all over the country. That never hurts. It's these type of polls and their being shared via social media that it help making SDC and Dollywood more than just regional parks. They are growing into national, destination parks. They much more well rounded than the typical Six Flags or Cedar Fair park. It's this growing national attention that I think we may well see much more differentiation between the two and why we may be seeing the end of buying in twos or shadowing areas like County Fair/Grand Expo.