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Title: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 06, 2017, 02:10:03 PM
This is your official thread to post updates and speculations dealing the 2020 operating season for Silver Dollar City properties in Branson, MO.

Remember to list credits if you post photos that come from a different site and/or are not your own.

Thanks and happy speculating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 12, 2017, 10:43:35 AM
My desired list of rides they can chose from ::)

A non inverting hyper, All one has to do is look at the Tip 10
Steel Coaster Golden Tickets to see why this omission needs fixed muy pronto.

A noninverting woodie, think Balder Dash, Wooden Warrrior or the new one at Busch Gardens. Another staple that's missing from the park.

Family invert with plenty of caves and such.

A taller shot tower, Man did they miss their opportunity to do what Hershey did with different sized shot towers at Fireman's Landing.

Drop track coaster(perfect for FITH 2.0)

Redone American Plunge, multiple drops including a backwards one(See Chiapas at Phantasialand)

Enclosed/covered flats

More non kiddie flats

Enclosed  coaster  with lots of visuals(can be either a wild mouse or other small footprint steel coaster)

Enclosed shooter ride(think Toy Story Midway Mania, Justice League)



Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 12, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie.  Personal preference there. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 13, 2017, 06:57:56 AM
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie.  Personal preference there.

how do you build a Hyper without it possibly being seen from another part of the park. You'd want at least a 300ft. drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 13, 2017, 09:52:36 AM
As long as the ride cannot be seen from other parts of the park or outside the park then I'm fine with any of those except the woodie.  Personal preference there.

They've already got a number of rides you can see from outside of the park.  If you're coming from Branson West then Wildfire and Outlaw Run are easy to see, just because of the height.  You can see them and Powder Keg easily from the parking lots and Indian Point Road as well.  Unfortunately, anything with any sort of height is going to be seen outside of the park and provide a view outside as well.  That's the nature of the beast.

You can also see outside the park quite clearly on the train as it's approaching it's back loop, looking down onto Table Rock and some of the resorts and apartments that are down there.  there are numerous other areas you can see outside as well if you pay a little attention.  As an example, the Dollar General up the road is quite easy to spot in at least 5 places within the park that I'm aware of, especially when it's dark.

I agree that it would a nice thing to have the berm idea like Disney cutting it off from the outside world, but it's not practical.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 13, 2017, 12:57:17 PM
I think you know what I meant and while yes you can see things if you go looking for them right now, it is not a blatant scream of "LOOK AT ME" like what a sky screamer or a hyper coaster would be.

Or were you just trying to be argumentative?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 13, 2017, 09:21:00 PM
I agree that I like it better when they have their own little neck of the woods to play in and aren't pushed next to the pathways like a typical amusement park. It's becoming more and more of a moot point though with all the rides that are being packed in. The whole backside of the park is pretty much that way now. DW did an OK job of combining up-close rides and ambiance with the timber canyon area though. It just takes a lot of well-planned theming.


As far as wishes for 2020 go though, I'd love a GCII in the vein of InvadR or Mystic Timbers or Thunderhead. Just another classic, widely-appealing coaster that doesn't try to be anything it doesn't need to be.

Honestly I wouldn't expect that much though. Maybe we'll get a drop tower like DW's? Or if the rumors are to be believed, they'll gut/replace/renovate one of the classic rides that needs extensive work to keep going. That's been rumored for as long as this site has been around though and they haven't done it yet, but I guess we'll see.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 13, 2017, 09:37:15 PM
I agree that I like it better when they have their own little neck of the woods to play in and aren't pushed next to the pathways like a typical amusement park. It's becoming more and more of a moot point though with all the rides that are being packed in. The whole backside of the park is pretty much that way now. DW did an OK job of combining up-close rides and ambiance with the timber canyon area though. It just takes a lot of well-planned theming.


As far as wishes for 2020 go though, I'd love a GCII in the vein of InvadR or Mystic Timbers or Thunderhead. Just another classic, widely-appealing coaster that doesn't try to be anything it doesn't need to be.

Honestly I wouldn't expect that much though. Maybe we'll get a drop tower like DW's? Or if the rumors are to be believed, they'll gut/replace/renovate one of the classic rides that needs extensive work to keep going. That's been rumored for as long as this site has been around though and they haven't done it yet, but I guess we'll see.

My theory of twos says a Funtime time is coming, I'd like a Star Flyer. Our Shot/drop tower is in Fireman's Landing notater how short it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 13, 2017, 11:10:59 PM
Well I hope you're wrong because I don't want an eyesore at the park
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 14, 2017, 12:42:29 AM
While probably unlikely since it would offer a similar ride experience to Time Traveler minus the spinning, SDC really has an opportunity here to capitalize on their relationship with Mack by reviving the Mystery Mine concept that was once talked about years ago before the recession killed it. I really think they could pull off a superior version using their Big Dipper trains. After finally making a trip over to Dollywood and experiencing it earlier this year, I really think SDC needs this. I really loved the combined coaster and dark ride elements it offered despite how it beats you up which goes back to how I think a Mack design would be superior as it would not have that brutal experience with they way their trains are designed. I have to admit when that vertical drop was placed on Time Traveler I was convinced that's what they had went with at the time, despite all the rumors. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 14, 2017, 09:15:44 AM
Personally I think a much larger drop tower or a star flyer would be a great addition.  I'd also love to see them turn the old Waterboggan tower into an observation tower of some sort, to let people up to enjoy the view of the Ozarks.  I certainly wouldn't consider a ride like that an eyesore, but more of a landmark.

Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there?  :-)

(Swoosh- no, I wasn't trying to be argumentative any more than chittlins was.  Just making a point that your preference already really doesn't really exist)

While probably unlikely since it would offer a similar ride experience to Time Traveler minus the spinning, SDC really has an opportunity here to capitalize on their relationship with Mack by reviving the Mystery Mine concept that was once talked about years ago before the recession killed it. I really think they could pull off a superior version using their Big Dipper trains.

My biggest problem with Mystery Mine was how rough the first half of it was.  It was an incredible ride- especially the theming around it.  But I was focused so much on not getting slammed around and hurt that I felt like I missed a bunch of it. The second half was much better.  The big dipper trains certainly look like they would fix that issue.  For those that haven't seen them, you can see them at: https://mack-rides.com/products/rollercoaster/bigdipper/

To do Mystery Mine with that kind of train would be awesome!  it's to bad that they couldn't replace the trains on Mystery Mine itself with something like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 14, 2017, 05:05:53 PM
Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there?  :-)

There in lies my issue.  This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park.  This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway.  Why would we want the park to be like any other park?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC-BMW on September 14, 2017, 07:45:55 PM


There in lies my issue.  This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park.  This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway.  Why would we want the park to be like any other park?

I wish this board had a "like" button. ^^^He gets it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 14, 2017, 08:57:29 PM
Or am I alone in getting excited when I spot something from a theme/ amusement park before I get there?  :-)

There in lies my issue.  This is not Six Flags or even an amusement park.  This is a theme park who's mystique is the rides being hidden from the main midway.  Why would we want the park to be like any other park?

I certainly understand that.  Absolutely.  But even Walt understood what an attraction it can be to see something from outside of the park.  He called it the "weenie"- something to draw people's attention in and increase the desire to go.  it's why you can see the landmarks at all of the Walt Disney Parks from a long ways outside of the parks.  It's why the Matterhorn sticks up as a landmark at Disneyland.  It's why all of the Disney parks have sometime that draws you in from outside.

So I have no problem with things inside the park being seen from the outside of the park.  But once inside, it's another story. That's when I'd like to see as little of the outside world as possible.  I don't mind going up and getting a great look over the park- and if it's like SDC, you can do it where it can get incredible views around the park without showing the "outside" world thanks to the hills.

It doesn't have to be either/ or, it can be both.  :-)

Which is why I don't mind if SDC puts up some things to help draw in attention from people driving by, and drawing their interest to the park.  But it doesn't have to ruin my immersion in the atmosphere once I'm there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 15, 2017, 07:30:26 AM
Seeing the big rides from the road/hiway is basic marketing 101... "impulse buying"

People drive by,
kids or adults see the coasters, "that looks cool, lets check it out".! 
THey go in check out the park and rides, SDC generates 3-500 bucks or more per family...

Thats impulse buying...  You have to properly market your product, to sell your product ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 15, 2017, 09:24:33 AM
I think the observation tower would be awesome.....It would be easy to theme it as a fire watch tower like the multiple ones they actually have around here.  I'd try to put it at the end of the cave tour.....build it by the tour exit.   How cool would that be to do the underground tour and finish it off with a couple of rides up to get a few hundred foot view the ozarks?  It could be a new icon for the park.

The negatives.....not sure if it would actually bring in my ROI.  After all their are already observations towers around the area.....which means it's also not really that unique of an attraction.

Could also go full Six Flags with a tower too and build with a drop tower or zipline deal.  I'd love a bigger SS tower with a view....or drop tower with a view....but wouldn't what to combine them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 15, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
I think the observation tower would be awesome.....It would be easy to theme it as a fire watch tower like the multiple ones they actually have around here.  I'd try to put it at the end of the cave tour.....build it by the tour exit.   How cool would that be to do the underground tour and finish it off with a couple of rides up to get a few hundred foot view the ozarks?  It could be a new icon for the park.

The negatives.....not sure if it would actually bring in my ROI.  After all their are already observations towers around the area.....which means it's also not really that unique of an attraction.

Could also go full Six Flags with a tower too and build with a drop tower or zipline deal.  I'd love a bigger SS tower with a view....or drop tower with a view....but wouldn't what to combine them.

I still wonder if they could use the old existing Water Boggan tower for one.  Open it up on one or two sides so you only see the "pretty" part and not the roads, and it would be cheaper than building a new one.  But I don't know if the structure on that old tower would work or not, or how stable.  And they'd probably have to hook up some sort of elevator.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 15, 2017, 07:58:44 PM
I think it would be plausible to reuse the tower for another ride/attraction. They would probably have to strip the wood off and take it down to the steel frame but it would be worth it I think.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2017, 10:56:34 PM
Seeing the big rides from the road/hiway is basic marketing 101... "impulse buying"

People drive by,
kids or adults see the coasters, "that looks cool, lets check it out".! 
THey go in check out the park and rides, SDC generates 3-500 bucks or more per family...

Thats impulse buying...  You have to properly market your product, to sell your product ;D

Um... if they're driving anywhere near SDC they were already going to SDC.  No one just happens to drive that way and then magically decides to go to SDC spur of the moment. 

Again SDC is NOT SIXFLAGS.  Stop trying to make it be. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 16, 2017, 05:50:57 AM
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Um... if they're driving anywhere near SDC they were already going to SDC.  No one just happens to drive that way and then magically decides to go to SDC spur of the moment. 

Again SDC is NOT SIXFLAGS.  Stop trying to make it be.

I agree the majority of the people going to Branson and  the SDC area are going there and know what SDC is..  BUT there are several people out there ( :o :o ::) ::)) that dont know what SDC is or what it represents to us..

Big coasters on the skyline from the hiway or from the lake? yes, it will draw in extra people... those extra people spend extra money, that is additional revenue. Additional revenue NOW, and of course once they visit, additional revenue in the future...

AND NO we dont want to be like 6 flags.....   JUST SAY NO!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jsgoode on September 18, 2017, 02:35:11 PM
Normally I like seeing coasters from outside, but I have to admit I was a little disappointed when I saw Outlaw Run from Highway 76 last fall. I always thought the ride was more secluded than it actually is. On the other hand, I love being able to see Wildfire and Powderkeg from the parking lot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 18, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
If you look hard enough you can actually see Wildfire and PK from Kimberling City. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 09, 2018, 05:14:48 AM
So to revive this thread a bit since this is the next plausible year for the next big addition to the park, and seeing the success with the large investment made on Time Traveler, do you think SDC will get another major coaster or a themed area? What and why?

Personal preference I am still hoping for is something new from B&M, or GCI, or even another Mack of some variety just to make the rest of the U.S. theme parks jealous that SDC gets two Mack coasters back to back within a decade. It really makes me wonder as it seems like Brad and crew have developed a good working relationship with the guys at Mack Rides which could build on the success of Time Traveler.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2018, 07:55:02 AM
Wouldn't get my hopes up for 2020 yet. Especially for a coaster. Probably won't be until 2022 till they start really working towards the next coaster, unless they finally get the long speculated family coaster before then. I don't know that HFEC's relationship with Mack is that good at this point anyway... have you seen how much downtime TT has had? Yes it's popular, but it has to be very frustrating to own and operate.

I think the plausible speculation running around right now has to do with "revitalizing" or replacing the classics (Flooded Mine and Fire-In-The-Hole), or coming up with a new water ride. The park has three water rides right now, and of those three, two are seriously antiquated and don't have the through-put they need at this point. Riverblast just simply isn't that fun or popular. Since AP and LR are so old and have their issues, it would make sense to get rid of one and get a shiny new replacement. Personally I'd rather see AP replaced with a modern flume similar to DW's.

We know that Flooded Mine is going to get shut down or completely re-done soon though. The park simply hasn't put the money into it to keep it going well, and at this point it is getting away from them. I'm still a little upset that they haven't really mentioned the 50th anniversary of the ride, other than allowing the operators to put up a little sign. It should be a big deal, but they don't seem to want to draw attention to it...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2018, 08:24:27 AM
History has shown us that SDC tends to not invest in coaster projects back to back. There are always other forms of rides or lands added between a singular roller coaster. So, I'm not expecting this in 2020 either.

I would love for the focus to be on AP or FM. Those two attractions need it the most, in my opinion. Unfortunately I worry that we will get replacements of both rides and not revitalizations. I'll just have to come grips with that in my own time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 09, 2018, 08:57:34 AM
Between the LR issues at Dollywood and the much less impacting TT issues here at SDC.  Wonder if your see HFE get a bit more conservative with there ride selections in the future?  The new coaster at Dollywood is basically a flat ride/clone with heavy theming.

I expect (or Im hoping) one or all of the FM, AP, LR, and FItH legacy rides to get the next investment dollars.....but nobody seems to know if that means refrubs, replacements, or just closures? 

I think a major refrub/rebuild FM or FItH could be as big of a marketing campaign to the local region as a new coaster would be.  It might not get the national attention that TT and OR did.  But everyone in the SDCs market already know those rides and would want to come see them if they are new and approved (at least that's my logic).  Could be a great medium sized inbetween coasters investment back into the park.

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2018, 09:27:05 AM
It won’t be a coaster.  I wouldn’t expect another large coaster for awhile, unless plans change drastically
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 14, 2018, 08:54:34 AM
So to bring some of the Lost River speculation over to the 2020 thread (since it is supposedly a 2020 project after all). It turns out that Knott's is also rebuilding their old river rapids ride. What interests me though is the amount of theming and animatronics that Knott's is putting into it. Lost River had that huge building to work with for years and didn't do much with it except for the waterfall gag. Makes me hopeful that a new iteration of the ride could be quite thematic.
https://www.knotts.com/play/rides/calico-river-rapids
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on November 14, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
For me, the river rapids just needs to look like a nice river. I loved Grizzly River Run because the trough guides were made from "fallen logs" etc. I also loved the spinning drop at the end of the ride. SDC wouldn't have to have any animatronics - but it would be nice to have highly landscaped and detailed river. Also it would be nice to have an up to date ride with the new rapid effects (Whirlpool, drops, etc.).

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: okiebluegrass on November 15, 2018, 12:00:40 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 15, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.

And you know that will probably happen after the new attraction is open,

What will fit in the footprint? about anything they want to...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 15, 2018, 07:58:59 PM
Yeah I have long suspected that AP will give way to become part of the land used for the next major coaster to go in between PK and WF and bridge together the two dead ends on that side of the park.

EDIT: Of course they could also build a larger flume ride in that general area that extends down into the valley between the aforementioned coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on November 16, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Instead of tearing out old classic rides, do they not have enough land that they could add new coasters or rides beyond the current footprint of the park?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 05:05:03 PM
Instead of tearing out old classic rides, do they not have enough land that they could add new coasters or rides beyond the current footprint of the park?

Has nothing to do with lack of land and more to do with the lack of adequate upkeep back in the day finally catching up with them. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 16, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.

I’d love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on November 16, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.

I’d love for that whole area to be returned as a real lumber camp

Absotively.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on November 16, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.

I’d love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp

...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 16, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.

I’d love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp

...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.

Maybe more like the Log Flume at KBF
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on November 17, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
I have no emotional connection with AP....I'd love them to repurpose that area and create a new water ride.

I’d love for that whole area to be rethemed as a real lumber camp

...with Jim Owen's Float Trip.

YES!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 20, 2018, 10:46:54 PM
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As much as I hate to admit it, AP needs to be ripped out and completely replaced.
But as they would say at the office "what an opportunity"  A family driven boat ride with a controlled splash for seasonal changes. Great theming indoor elements and a splash
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
It has begun.  Pictures tomorrow when I get back home. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 21, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
It has begun.  Pictures tomorrow when I get back home.

with decent weather, I am sure they will be off and "running" on the project..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 22, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on November 22, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html

Is this land bridge in the same place where a "temporary" or "portable" bridge is normally placed for maintenance?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 22, 2018, 12:01:53 PM
@ Swoosh..   yes water is low,  I am surprised they didnt drain it..  Maybe waiting until january to pump it dry..

And they may be waiting for the fence.. when the drain all the water, the lake is going to look bad!!, Muddy, Trash! Crap!  yes it will look bad..!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 22, 2018, 12:17:43 PM
Photos from Wednesday 11.21
New "land bridge" has been constructed over the canal of Lost River
and they have begun moving dirt and more in the queue area.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html

Is this land bridge in the same place where a "temporary" or "portable" bridge is normally placed for maintenance?

I’m not sure.  It is right next to the entrance/exit to Ribhouse

I am surprised they didnt drain it..  Maybe waiting until january to pump it dry..

And they may be waiting for the fence.. when the drain all the water, the lake is going to look bad!!, Muddy, Trash! Crap!  yes it will look bad..!
From what I’ve heard it was pretty much drained and then it rained.   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on November 23, 2018, 02:54:43 PM
Thanks for the pics Swoosh!

When we were there Nov 15-18, we spoke with one of the shopkeepers at White River Mercantile. According to her, she claims the shop will be removed completely, and they are moving into where Cowboy Jeps currently resides (midtown). She seemed sad the shop will be in a much smaller blueprint and was also commenting on the hardwood floors; she said she always loved the old wooded floors and hated to see them ripped up and thrown away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 23, 2018, 03:20:36 PM
Thanks for the pics Swoosh!

When we were there Nov 15-18, we spoke with one of the shopkeepers at White River Mercantile. According to her, she claims the shop will be removed completely, and they are moving into where Cowboy Jeps currently resides (midtown). She seemed sad the shop will be in a much smaller blueprint and was also commenting on the hardwood floors; she said she always loved the old wooded floors and hated to see them ripped up and thrown away.

Yep.  Here’s a map of what has been “confirmed” as being removed.
Still curious if this area will even be open to guests next season
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 24, 2018, 07:40:22 AM
That will be interesting to see for sure..
easily could be blocked off, since they are reworking the complete area, at least from the west side.. 
the east side would be a little different if they are planning on using Riverfront  at all in 2019,  If they are not going to schedule anything there,  blocking off on the east would be easy also.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 24, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
Interesting that they have started open construction so soon, but it makes sense if they want to get everything ripped out and a new path opened up ASAP. I'm sure they'll at the very least have a temporary gravel bypass path around the site next year. Maybe they'll construct everything path-side first so they can get that stuff opened up again by summer.

Today is one of the days that really shows the importance of opening the park up and getting more crowd room put in place wherever they can. The park apparently hit somewhere around 29,000 guests today and had to close the gates again.

I hate to see so much ripped out and replaced, but then reality hits and you can't deny that they have to do something. Still think they need to work more on the front gate area before they do more huge new attractions, but I'm sure it's all been planned out in this order for a reason.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 24, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
Im still shocked this took precedence over FITH, AP or most notably FM being demo'd and reworked as previously speculated. Maybe the PTB were afraid of backlash of such iconic classics being touched?  (Well maybe not AP)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on November 24, 2018, 07:05:01 PM
Im still shocked this took precedence over FITH, AP or most notably FM being demo'd and reworked as previously speculated. Maybe the PTB were afraid of backlash of such iconic classics being touched?  (Well maybe not AP)

FITH and FM are iconic classics; AP is just old.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 24, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
Dollars and cents behind it all. We don't see the real cost/benefits, just what we like and don't like. Revamping lost river is a wash for me, but somehow it must be saving them a ton of money. AP might be a cheap ride to keep going at the moment. The squeeky wheel gets the grease as they say.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 25, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
Dollars and cents behind it all. We don't see the real cost/benefits, just what we like and don't like. Revamping lost river is a wash for me, but somehow it must be saving them a ton of money. AP might be a cheap ride to keep going at the moment. The squeeky wheel gets the grease as they say.

I think when they release the details on the upgrade, there will be many details as to why..
obviously the new reworked boardwalk
with all the new buildings,
the "new pathway'
the new "lost river",
Although it may not happen,  i expect to see a log plume ride of some time in same area, which ulimately will replace AP. 
That would open the AP area for the long awaited 3rd coaster in that area, and the opportunity to rework the walkways and paths on that side of the park
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: pfranke03 on November 25, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
Does there seem to be any signs of construction or markings around AP, FITH, and fL? Besides what we have seen so far at LR?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 25, 2018, 07:52:49 PM
Does there seem to be any signs of construction or markings around AP, FITH, and fL? Besides what we have seen so far at LR?

There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on November 27, 2018, 02:46:26 PM
There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Is there pictures of said markings?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 27, 2018, 03:31:51 PM
There are no markings around AP, FITH, and FM.
There are markings all around Riverfront and LR
Is there pictures of said markings?

If there were photos (or at least photos that could be posted) don’t you think they’d be online by now. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 27, 2018, 06:52:04 PM
Swoosh's latest photo update shows the markings and activity at Lost River, just in case this link has been missed: https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/11/riverfront-redevelopment-sdc.html

I plan to be there this weekend and will get another update of what can be seen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 01, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
Just posted a few fresh photos on our FB page. Not much different from what Swoosh posted. Definitely obvious now though. Look forward to seeing the site transformed next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 01, 2018, 12:44:09 PM
Just posted a few fresh photos on our FB page. Not much different from what Swoosh posted. Definitely obvious now though. Look forward to seeing the site transformed next year.

will for sure be interesting to follow up on all the work after this winter and going through next summer/fall..   

I do hope we can access/see the area during the process for pics... ;) 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Junior, too! on December 01, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
Howdy, all! Been a long time since I have visited the full SDCFans Website! Just saw this stuff about Lost River posted on the FB page, so I stopped by here to see what else I could learn. Looks like a rehab of the ride to me. Probably what you all have figured out, too. I hope they don't remodel too much and take away some of the old parts of the building that date back to 1977 and the diving bell period when I was at that attraction. I am sentimental. Anyway, I have to always be very complimentary to SWOOSH for the MiG photos and reports. He does a pretty good job covering changes at the park. Keep it up, SWOOSH! Thanks for your work. Anyone who hits the park in the coming weeks, please keep us up to date as well! -JUNIOR, TOO :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 01, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Howdy, all! Been a long time since I have visited the full SDCFans Website! Just saw this stuff about Lost River posted on the FB page, so I stopped by here to see what else I could learn. Looks like a rehab of the ride to me. Probably what you all have figured out, too. I hope they don't remodel too much and take away some of the old parts of the building that date back to 1977 and the diving bell period when I was at that attraction. I am sentimental. Anyway, I have to always be very complimentary to SWOOSH for the MiG photos and reports. He does a pretty good job covering changes at the park. Keep it up, SWOOSH! Thanks for your work. Anyone who hits the park in the coming weeks, please keep us up to date as well! -JUNIOR, TOO :)

Thank you for kind words.  MiG is a labor of love.  Hard to believe we’re ending our 21st season of coverage. 

Regarding the LR building - it’s all coming down.  Nostalgia aside, it doesn’t even come close to meeting standards and honestly the new product will be much better. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 03, 2018, 06:36:29 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 03, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.

If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 07, 2018, 06:59:31 PM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.

If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...

Understatement.  Fence all the way around Lake Silver now.  Lost River is completely gone other than facade.  They’re wasting no time on this project
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 07, 2018, 08:27:54 PM
Yeah someone was telling me that they saw a ton of demolition out there today. If anyone is planning on stopping by after Christmas, it sounds like they will have the area bulldozed already by then. Would love to see photo updates.

I expected them to wait until the park closes for the season before starting the really noticible demolition. Wonder what they are trying to get done before spring.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 07, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
Yeah someone was telling me that they saw a ton of demolition out there today. If anyone is planning on stopping by after Christmas, it sounds like they will have the area bulldozed already by then. Would love to see photo updates.

I expected them to wait until the park closes for the season before starting the really noticible demolition. Wonder what they are trying to get done before spring.

Yeah I will be out there right after Christmas.  Might even make one last trip on the 31st
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 08, 2018, 07:14:09 AM
Forgot to mention, there's also an excavator parked behind the giant swing. Rode the train in the dark so I couldn't see much, but it looked like they may have started demolition on the back side by the drop.

If the weather stay decent, there will be lots of demo done before they close for the season...

Understatement.  Fence all the way around Lake Silver now.  Lost River is completely gone other than facade.  They’re wasting no time on this project

Demo always goes fast!!!   especially with decent weather, and big equipment.!!..

I will be at the SDC new years weekend sometime, obviously will get as many pics as I can..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 08, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
obviously will get as many pics as I can..

Are you tall enough to reach over the fences?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
I’ll have more on MiG later tonight
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on December 09, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
I’m surprised how fast they are going with this project. It will be interesting to see the area in person when I’m there next week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html

Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on December 09, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
Whoa....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html

Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html

Whoa....

and since I don’t frequent TPR, yes you can share over there as you appear to be our liaison
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 10, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Lots of fence.!!   

That is a huge outside border to try to contain.... LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 10, 2018, 10:43:36 AM
Thanks for the photos. Guessing it will indeed be completely gone after Christmas.

I'm curious if they will build it such that a path can extend around that side of the lake. They could have a boardwalk around that side to reach Fireman's Landing. That would relieve some congestion just by virtue of having more pathway around the park.

From Outlaw Run's lifthill, you can see a lot of work going on in the maintenance area, like it is being expanded or even pushed back some. Who knows what their future plans are for that area, but it looks like they are slowly adding some room back there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 10, 2018, 12:54:22 PM
Thanks for the photos. Guessing it will indeed be completely gone after Christmas.

I'm curious if they will build it such that a path can extend around that side of the lake. They could have a boardwalk around that side to reach Fireman's Landing. That would relieve some congestion just by virtue of having more pathway around the park.

From Outlaw Run's lifthill, you can see a lot of work going on in the maintenance area, like it is being expanded or even pushed back some. Who knows what their future plans are for that area, but it looks like they are slowly adding some room back there.

A path behind is a great idea.   Could easily eliminate some congestion.....

Yes, it looks like there is more and more room back there..  After they get it cleared it will look huge.. between cleared area and the old lake..

It is a massive project no doubt.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Obviousdramatic on December 10, 2018, 01:02:51 PM
I would love to have a part of this ride. The don't bother the ride operator sign would look great on my bedroom door!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on December 10, 2018, 10:58:16 PM
from Sunday 12/9/18
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 10, 2018, 11:15:59 PM
^So literally what I already posted?  :o

All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html

Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 11, 2018, 07:00:41 AM
^So literally what I already posted?  :o

All right - I can seriously say that you are not ready to see the destruction of Lost River.
It's one of those things that when you hear about it, it doesn't sound so bad and then when you see it in real life it is almost mindblowing.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html

Also there is a crazy amount of construction fence up at the park now.

https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-sdc.html

So whats the deal...? 
there are about 6 spots where you can take pics?
without fence in the way...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on December 11, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.

Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol

Also here is a perspective of the before and after:
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on December 11, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
Swoosh had mentioned that the Entrance would be where the Rib House currently sits and not by Fireman's Landing.

I, too, am also very anxious so see if they keep the name "Lost River of the Ozarks."
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 11, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.

I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on December 11, 2018, 03:18:45 PM
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.

Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol

Also here is a perspective of the before and after:

I hold out no hopes for theming at all. The last couple of  projects should put that to rest fast. If it comes to dollars or immersive theming the dollars win every time. If it does happen its just a bonus. But I expect a generic ride experience.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 11, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.

I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.

absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.

Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....

example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast-  (well maybe a little)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on December 11, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
I'm holding out hope but yeah more likely than not it will be something modern and generic.
Though if they are trying to copy Infinity Falls as being speculated maybe they can at least call it Ozark Falls or something as a vague nod to the former ride this is replacing. I loved how they did that with Powderkeg with the Buzzsaw Car embedded in the roof.

We will have to keep a close eye on the TESS database. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 11, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
As mentioned above, the entrance to the ride will go roughly where Ribhouse is now.  Expect the word “Falls” in the name to emphasize the elevator lift and what will probably be the tallest drop on a raft ride.  I wouldn’t expect much theme other than natural looking rocks and water features.  Seriously look at Infinity Falls as it will probably be pretty close to that only better. 

What will be most interesting is where the retention pool will go. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on December 11, 2018, 09:22:28 PM
All I can say is if they will just rip this ride out like it was nothing it probably wont be too long before they do the same with FM or FITH
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 12, 2018, 06:59:52 AM
All I can say is if they will just rip this ride out like it was nothing it probably wont be too long before they do the same with FM or FITH

Ultimately that is true...

If and when they make that decision, (if it hasnt already been made), they will bring in the dozers and trackhoes and demolish the area without a thought..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on December 12, 2018, 08:19:42 AM
^Which begs the question, when does it cross the line for a place like SDC to change and rip out so much that it loses what makes the park special with its fans or the general public? I do get the fact everything has an expiration date and operational/maintenance costs can get to the point its impractical to keep it going but it still seems to be a valid question that I'm sure the public and even the PTB probably ask themselves.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on December 12, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
I feel like SDC knows that FITH and FM are their gems. They know that there would be distraught throughout the GP if they just randomly rip out FITH and FM. I'm on the line of that they're going to announce that they're completely refurbishing both FM and FITH in 2019/2020, except one at a time, because they're already building a new attraction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 12, 2018, 11:23:30 AM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.

I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.

absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.

Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....

example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast-  (well maybe a little)

River Blast actually has a ton of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn theming. Isn't the full name actually Tom and Hucks River Blast?

Fireman's Landing has a lot of rides packed in, which makes it feel a little carnival-ish, but there's also tons of detail and theming.

Time Traveler apparently ran over budget, so the station exterior and bottom floor are a bit disappointing, but the upper levels and the trains are very cool. It also has a rich backstory and lots of detail for those who care to pay attention. The name itself is pretty generic.

So all in all, SDC has a good track record and deserves all the benefit of the doubt as usual. We always wring our hands about the theme being hampered, but they always deliver a good product. Even if the name is generic, I am expecting it to look really nice and have a fun back=story theme that us fans can appreciate.

Lost River wasn't exactly themed that much anyway. Might have been some stuff hanging in the queue line that I have forgotten, but I don't remember anything that stood out. The theme was just a river that sucks into a cave. If they have some kind of cave theme or element with the new ride, it will be a nice homage/continuation of the theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on December 12, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Well with this transformation of the area being underway lets speculate further on how this will be done and laid out. I know its being mentioned to likely have similarities to Infinity Falls. I do hope the legacy of Lost River will be kept and this is more of a "re-imagining" of it. Keep the name and theme but expand on theming the heck out of it. Make the layout larger and keep elements such as the interior "cave" finale and the big first drop off the lift. Maybe shrink the lake size and add a bit of the layout out there too or place the station on the north side of Firemans Landing where Splash Harbor used to be.

Again I was really surprised this happened, I had always expected FITH, AP, or particularly FM to go first. And fair warning with the loss of this (and Waterboggen a few years ago) expect the summer ride lines for American Plunge and River Blast to be atrocious in 2019. lol

Also here is a perspective of the before and after:

I hold out no hopes for theming at all. The last couple of  projects should put that to rest fast. If it comes to dollars or immersive theming the dollars win every time. If it does happen its just a bonus. But I expect a generic ride experience.

Yep, Time Traveler should have had:

A) first drop into a rock facade cave

B) show building at first launch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on December 12, 2018, 02:06:26 PM
Appreciate the photos from everyone.

I can almost guarantee they won't re-use the name. If they are spending this much, they want to be sure and market it as a new ride, not a "refurbishment". It's all about marketing.

absolutely... it wont be
Lost river,
or Owens ride.

Be lucky if the name has any reference to the Ozark Heritage at all....

example-
time traveler
firemans landin
river blast-  (well maybe a little)

River Blast actually has a ton of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn theming. Isn't the full name actually Tom and Hucks River Blast?

Fireman's Landing has a lot of rides packed in, which makes it feel a little carnival-ish, but there's also tons of detail and theming.

Time Traveler apparently ran over budget, so the station exterior and bottom floor are a bit disappointing, but the upper levels and the trains are very cool. It also has a rich backstory and lots of detail for those who care to pay attention. The name itself is pretty generic.

So all in all, SDC has a good track record and deserves all the benefit of the doubt as usual. We always wring our hands about the theme being hampered, but they always deliver a good product. Even if the name is generic, I am expecting it to look really nice and have a fun back=story theme that us fans can appreciate.

Lost River wasn't exactly themed that much anyway. Might have been some stuff hanging in the queue line that I have forgotten, but I don't remember anything that stood out. The theme was just a river that sucks into a cave. If they have some kind of cave theme or element with the new ride, it will be a nice homage/continuation of the theme.

Shave, As for TT. I bet 1 in 1000 riders actually know that there is a backstory involved. I know they produced a little video during the announcement. But, to me theming involves more than hanging some props in a Queu line and calling it theming. I am talking FM, FITh hole totally immersive theming. Like a Disney or Universal. With what Herschend is doing now I do not call that theming. Going back to OR. Throw a few clocks in the line and play a cowboy sound clip and call it good. I asked my kids about the theme and they had no clue. Just that it was a great roller coaster. I feel we are headed to Dollywood land bit by bit.  I understand what they are doing but sad to see the immersive theming go. I will just enjoy it for what it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 12, 2018, 04:10:12 PM
LR was originally themed to Poncé de Leon's search for the Fountain of Youth, though nearly no one would have known that with the few photos or news articles hanging in frames in the queue.  The Lost River, had he found it, would have led to that final room which was begging for a scene of some sort about the Fountain of Youth.

All of the theming was thrown to the wayside before the ride even ripened.  Water cannons were added for some added revenue, and some never-explained heartbeat was added until Lost River became a River with an entirely Lost Theme of the Ozarks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on December 12, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
Now that I think about it, I never did really get what the heartbeat sound or whatever that sound was supposed to be that played inside the building.  I would still have preferred they kept that ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tinmann620 on December 13, 2018, 08:14:14 AM
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 13, 2018, 09:15:05 AM
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.

LOL>   Thats the answer to that concern.,.!!   LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on December 13, 2018, 06:12:01 PM
The heartbeat was leftover from Rube Dugans. To my knowledge, it was supposed to be the "oxygen" pump for the submarine. The same is used at the Flooded mine.

Wow I never made the connection between the LR heartbeat sound and the FM sound.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on December 22, 2018, 11:05:04 PM
I tried to take some pictures from the back side of the lake while on the train. I didn’t think about taking pictures soon enough to get any from the train by the Barn Swing.

The first and second pictures are facing the Rib House and you can see the back of the wall they haven’t removed (at least I think that’s what that is).  The third and fourth pictures are pretty much the same and face where the entrance used to be. The third and fourth pictures (along with the fifth) show how the lake is pretty much empty now.

I might try to get some better pictures tomorrow from the other side because these don’t help see very much. Mostly it is just a large dirt area right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on December 23, 2018, 02:00:57 AM
Interesting views. Thanks for taking pics. And yeah it does kinda make me wonder if the lake will even survive this project.

I should be up there with my camera on the 27th granted I can get away from work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 23, 2018, 04:08:13 AM
Interesting views. Thanks for taking pics. And yeah it does kinda make me wonder if the lake will even survive this project.

I should be up there with my camera on the 27th granted I can get away from work.

No way the Lake of old survives.. 

I expect to see an all new "concrete " pond,

I am guessing it will be in the same area, back up to FL area and it will be new and clean and purty!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 23, 2018, 08:42:19 AM
The old Lake is definitely gone.  The new rapids ride will require a separate filtered BOH retention pool and I highly doubt it’ll even be visible from the park.  The new Lake Silver will probably be a lot smaller and probably shallower as well.  Too bad they couldn’t put a fountain show or something in it.  That would be pretty cool
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on December 23, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
More pictures- the first three taken next to Up the Ladder in Fireman’s Landing and the last one taken through a hole in the fence where the Lost River entrance used to be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: legoerosion on December 24, 2018, 11:52:03 AM
You know, I wonder why they won't make Lake Silver bigger and better with a fountain show. I understand that there's the train tracks, but even then an old-styled wooden trestle would be extremely cool for the train to cross over.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 24, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
You know, I wonder why they won't make Lake Silver bigger and better with a fountain show. I understand that there's the train tracks, but even then an old-styled wooden trestle would be extremely cool for the train to cross over.

You may get a pleasant surprise...  I expect to see all new lake,  and the fountain would be a nice touch,   IF the PTB thought of that, they will do just that..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 29, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
Photos from Wed 12/26 and Thursda 12/27
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/riverfront-lost-river-sdc_27.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on December 29, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I still can't believe it's gone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 01, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
@ Swoosh,   

I Was there sunday..  rode train a couple of time to look at the site..

Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.   

Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?

I cant see them reusing it on new project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 01, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell.   Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 01, 2019, 07:26:58 PM
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell.   Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?

Well not really... Kind of a sore thumb in the middle of the project... you can see everything is gone, the equipment, it looks pretty bare in there... be interestiig to see what next spring brings...
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 01, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
That might be the last bit of The Diving Bell.   Maybe this it there tribute, It would be predictable.
Doesn't that wall serve to block some view of the new destruction from the train?

It has a tribute to Dugan on it, but I’m unsure if it was there pre-LR
The wall we’re talking about and the one you mention are two separate things.  The wall you mentioned is near the tracks and the entire project is visible from the train.  The wall we’re talking about is closer to Rib House and was right next to the LR queue


@ Swoosh,   
I Was there sunday..  rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.   
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.

I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past.  It kind of blows my mind as they’ve been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
Updated with most recent information. 
Red = being removed
Green = staying for 2019
Yellow = possible path for 2019

The current White River Merchantile building will he transferred to entertainment for the 2019 season.  Sounds like it will be used for Rudolph and other special events.  Carousel Barn will be the temporary Rib House for 2019 (think of it like a permanent House of BBQ for a season). 

Now things are always fluid until they open but as of right now, the new Rib House will be locates approximately where Dockside Theatre is right now.  New Lost River will take up space where LR was and Rib House is currently.  Entrance should be basically where Rib House entrance was.  As of now, no plans to build a replacement for Dockside Theatre. 

White River Merchantile will be relocated to Cowboy Jepps (Cowboy Jepps will not be relocated). Pearl Shop will be relocated to Magic Shop (Magic Shop will not be relocated). Bent Spoon will not be relocated. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 02, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
It looks like they are committed to rebuilding all of the old structures.  I wonder about long-range plans for this - as in, how long before the main square gets hit - long after the old rides, I suspect.

Odd that a show venue will be shut down and not rebuilt (from what you report) - seeing as it is the Year for Shows.

And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?

No.  There’s too much BOH stuff behind OP and FITH.  I’m not sure if you’ve ever been back there, but there are several trailers for entertainment among other things. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 02, 2019, 02:37:10 PM
And finally, does anybody think there will be a plan to knock open a path from the FitH area to the Wilson Farm area in the future (perhaps even the near future)?

No.  There’s too much BOH stuff behind OP and FITH.  I’m not sure if you’ve ever been back there, but there are several trailers for entertainment among other things.

It leads to an unsavory bit of London...

Actually I have been back there. 

I know it would entail another railroad bridge or tunnel, but I wondered if a new path might be made through the current fireman's cemetery.  It was a long shot question, and not something I would like to see happen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 02, 2019, 02:41:49 PM

@ Swoosh,   
I Was there sunday..  rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.   
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.

I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past.  It kind of blows my mind as they’ve been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them.

Wow, that is pretty interesting if they are indeed saving this seemingly random wall. I know some of us fans have been critical of some of the bulldozing mentality that has gone on with some of the recent additions. It would be really cool to see them respond with some kind of gesture like this. It really keeps the spirit of the city alive somehow when bits and pieces can survive and be repurposed through the generations. There's always been such a tradition of re-using things at SDC, with the Lost River area now being prepared for it's FOURTH ride when you consider the Greedy Bros stuff as well as Rube Dugans.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: History Buff link=topic=3791.msg76945#msg76945
I know it would entail another railroad bridge or tunnel, but I wondered if a new path might be made through the current fireman's cemetery.  It was a long shot question, and not something I would like to see happen.

Well... considering there are plans in the not so distant future for doing away with the one Crossing that’s currently not an underpass in the near future, I doubt they’d want to create another
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 02, 2019, 04:49:18 PM
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 02, 2019, 06:19:19 PM
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.

98% sure and about 80% sure it’ll be like Infinity Falls. 
New LR is only a small part of this new project.  They’re being very tight lipped on what’ll happen eventually around Riverfront Playhouse.  They don’t refer to it as “the most valuable land in the park” for nothing
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 02, 2019, 07:20:50 PM

@ Swoosh,   
I Was there sunday..  rode train a couple of time to look at the site..
Why do you think they are "saving" that superstructure?.   
Did you see the word "save" painted on the east side.?
I cant see them reusing it on new project.

I think they plan to use it in the theming of the new ride as a tribute to the past.  It kind of blows my mind as they’ve been doing so much clean cut lately that this is a foreign way of thinking for them.

Wow, that is pretty interesting if they are indeed saving this seemingly random wall. I know some of us fans have been critical of some of the bulldozing mentality that has gone on with some of the recent additions. It would be really cool to see them respond with some kind of gesture like this. It really keeps the spirit of the city alive somehow when bits and pieces can survive and be repurposed through the generations. There's always been such a tradition of re-using things at SDC, with the Lost River area now being prepared for it's FOURTH ride when you consider the Greedy Bros stuff as well as Rube Dugans.

It does look odd sitting up there, it is pretty good sized,  and for sure being saved on purpose for now. 

Will be interesting to see how it works into the "plan" of things..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 03, 2019, 07:16:36 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM

On topic when you consider the influx of customers.  I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now.  We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it)  They closed the gates at times this year.  Parking Full.  I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level.  Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%.  If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full.  SDC  is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 03, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM

On topic when you consider the influx of customers.  I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now.  We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it)  They closed the gates at times this year.  Parking Full.  I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level.  Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%.  If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full.  SDC  is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.

TF? Your post makes it sound like you’ve never been to SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 03, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
Swoosh, what is your confidence level in the speculation that LOR is being truly being razed for a new water attraction versus something else? As you pointed out with your recent pictures, with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.

98% sure and about 80% sure it’ll be like Infinity Falls. 
New LR is only a small part of this new project.  They’re being very tight lipped on what’ll happen eventually around Riverfront Playhouse.  They don’t refer to it as “the most valuable land in the park” for nothing

Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 03, 2019, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.

LR was due for a very expensive rehab.  The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant.  The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes. 

As far as you not personally getting the “wow factor” - you’re not the target audience so that’s to be expected. 

It’s a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public. 

Let’s pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out.  You got two years to worry yet. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MoOzark on January 03, 2019, 07:02:41 PM
...with Lake Silver gone (even if temporarily), that is a very large footprint capable of accommodating just about anything HFEC would want to put there. Also, outside of retaining natural aesthetics, what value would incorporating a newer Lake Silver hold? This is awfully valuable real estate to have a lake with no purpose. I'm not insinuating anything. As long as we're still speculating, I'm simply wondering if the entire cleared footprint will be utilized for whatever attraction is in the works for '20, or they're clearing everything to make way for the attraction, which will include some newer iteration of Lake Silver, if that makes sense.

Lake Silver is not just a fish pond. It is a geological feature, far older than Silver Dollar City. Surely the engineers know it is not a good place to build. It would create severe drainage problems if the lake were covered up. It is also a historical feature that should be kept. I really don't expect to see Lake Silver pass away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 03, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/business/media/disney-invests-billions-in-theme-parks.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3x1PwLZcN7J_2GS2rF0HcvvY48tLPajJdoKiUQXMYLlrKYNJURr_UFNaM

On topic when you consider the influx of customers.  I have a personal theory as to why the Theme Parks are doing well right now.  We were discussing the number of days that SDC sent out notices via text (Get here fast or forget it)  They closed the gates at times this year.  Parking Full.  I just hope they dont believe they can close parts of the park for seasons at a time under this visitation level.  Is it wise to close 20% of your park when you are having bumper crowds without doing something to sop up the 20%.  If you dont provide a new distraction you are dispersing them into the major ride lines that are already full.  SDC  is in dire need of more benches and distractions and less dip & dots and Frozen lemonade stands every 10 ft.

TF? Your post makes it sound like you’ve never been to SDC

mhguy77 has a point. Lost River was a big ride that helped soak up some of the summer crowds... I just wouldn't call it anything close to 20% of the park. We're talking about them being down one water ride, a couple stores, and the dockside theater. I don't think we'll really see a huge impact to the other lines in the park, but it's always nice to have plenty of options to spread people out more and LR always held a big line. By the time we get to the crazy hectic Christmas season though it's a moot point because it wouldn't be open anyway. That's when they are usually reaching capacity. Totally agree about needing more benches.

BackInTime9, I think both the engineers and the park know what they are doing. I don't think they have a huge problem designing around drainage seeing as they are built on some hilltops. As for the historical nature of the pond... lol, it was just a puddle when SDC started and they turned it into what it is today. I'm sure it will look nice in it's next iteration as well.

The new ride will have plenty of wow factor, I'm sure. Lost River wasn't exactly a prime river rapids ride. The only unique thing was how it ended going through the building. The new ride will almost definitely have some neat landscaping and updated rapids features at the very least. They aren't going through all this trouble just to get another so-so water ride. Even if enthusiasts aren't impressed, it'll be nice and new, and most importantly safer and easier to operate and maintain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: johnburton on January 03, 2019, 08:41:49 PM
Infinity Falls is a super cool ride. I'd love to see something like that come to SDC. You can see us riding it here: https://youtu.be/sc1Ep3VE0J8
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 04, 2019, 07:27:54 AM
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.

LR was due for a very expensive rehab.  The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant.  The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes. 

As far as you not personally getting the “wow factor” - you’re not the target audience so that’s to be expected. 

It’s a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public. 

Let’s pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out.  You got two years to worry yet.

Agreed, dont get all fired up about something that hasnt even been announced yet.

If you dont like the ride/attraction, go to a different area 

I for one NEVER rode LR, BUT it needed a major facelift, and the PTB have decided to do so. Good for them!!

 Enjoy the upgraded look of the park, walk past it and go a part of the park that makes you happy..

Whatever the new attraction is, Not everybody will like it, enjoy it, or even approve, But it had to be done..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on January 04, 2019, 08:32:17 AM
I'm glad they are investing in a new non-coaster ride. Coasters are nice, but they aren't for everybody. You can add all the drops and loops you want, but a coaster is a coaster. A variety of rides (water rides, dark rides, coasters, etc.) is what appeals to me.

Plus, the atmosphere at the riverfront is fantastic. Even though I didn't ride the Lost River often, I love the sounds and the general feel of the riverfront area. I'm excited that they are making this investment!
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 04, 2019, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: BackInTime9
Beyond an attraction to cool off during the dead of summer, can someone please help me understand what the novelty, or allure is with spending millions of dollars on a river rapids ride in 2020? So Infinity Falls has a unique loading and lift system and a 40 foot drop? Not sure I get the wow factor. Not trying to be a pessimist, but even that doesn't feel like anything revolutionary to an already relatively mundane ride concept. Is this simply a necessary evil for the PTB in terms of keeping a people eater in the center of the park for the dog days when it's filled to capacity and many welcome any refuge from the elements they can find? If and only if this took shape in a highly themed way, a la Disney's Kali River Rapids, then I could get on board. Have no doubt whatever fills the space will look nice, but without anything thematic in terms of the ride experience, it's just going to be another river rapids ride, even if it has a state-of-the-art lift system and an underwhelming drop of over 40 ft that puts into the "tallest" category.

LR was due for a very expensive rehab.  The ride system they had was lacking several modern safety measures and was far from being ADA compliant.  The trough was losing a lot water every day due to large cracks that it had occurred over the years due to neglect and a couple earthquakes. 

As far as you not personally getting the “wow factor” - you’re not the target audience so that’s to be expected. 

It’s a little early in the process for the outrage in the rest of your post as nothing has been made public. 

Let’s pump the breaks for now and wait for the process to play out.  You got two years to worry yet.

Outrage? I was simply asking an honest question. And I think it's a bit unfair not to mention presumptuous to say I'm not the audience for a river rapids ride. As I stated in my post, I wasn't insinuating anything. Merely asking the question about it's need an validity. Are rapids rides my favorite thing? No. Will I ride them? Of course. As will my kids. So yes, Swoosh, I am the target audience.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 04, 2019, 11:31:45 AM
Me too, Pudgy! No more coasters and more non-coaster heavily themed fun rides!  I did ride LR, but the last time there was such a sharp bump that it hurt a man with back problems on the ride.  You could see it in his face.  We all felt the bump and wondered what the heck it was. And, I love the feel of the Riverfront area, also.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on January 04, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
I am past the point in my life that i need to get wet LOL.  I have never been on River blast and probably never will. But, I also never got the feel of the Riverfront area. With that being said I am more excited about this new attraction than I was for OR and TT. And, I am a big coaster rider. I Just hope they really go with heavy theming. My favorite rides at DW in Florida are Kali and Splash Mountain because of the theming. Welll, Toy Story is pretty cool too.

I just hope SDC gets out of the clearcut mentality and invests in theming more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on January 04, 2019, 02:33:22 PM
I'm amazed at the level of clearing being done for this project. I also think it is very cool they are keeping parts of the old building as a reminder of the past. I expect the area will have more surprises as a reminder for LROTO similar to the BSF car on the PK building.

I'm excited for the potential of the new area, although a little concerned about the crowding this project may cause at the park in spring/summer months of 2019. Lost River was one of the busiest rides on park, and now the other rides will have to make up for its loss.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 04, 2019, 02:37:28 PM
Let's just not plop another inventor in there.  Using Dugan in the name would be a nice touch though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 05, 2019, 07:13:17 PM
People are really starting to notice now. People didn't really start to pay attention until the entire lake was a construction site with a fence all the way around it, lol.

Wonder if there will be a teaser campaign/misdirections for this one like with TT? Could the Wild Mountain name be revived? An adventure theme would make obvious sense here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 05, 2019, 11:11:50 PM
Photos from the last day of the season.  Not much changed from our previous visit, but still more photos are always better than none
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2019/01/riverfront-lost-river-sdc.html


Also to answer your question, Shave, they let the Wild Mountain TM expire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 06, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
I see you did get a picture of the "save" on that piece of superstructure....

Will look a lot different in the next 30 days,  How are we going to get those pics?   LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 06, 2019, 01:39:07 PM
Whatever this is going to be - and we can assume it will be a modern upgrade of LR - it would be nice to see an integrated rib house pass through similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 06, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
^ Kind of a 'Lost Ribber of the Ozarks"?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 06, 2019, 02:30:11 PM
^ Kind of a 'Lost Ribber of the Ozarks"?


^^^^
Did you really just say that???!!!!    ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 06, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
I see you did get a picture of the "save" on that piece of superstructure....

Will look a lot different in the next 30 days,  How are we going to get those pics?   LOL

Yeah.  I’ve had a photo of that wall saying SAVE in numerous updates now.
Well, with the park closed, any photos taken right now couldn’t be posted. 

Whatever this is going to be - and we can assume it will be a modern upgrade of LR - it would be nice to see an integrated rib house pass through similar to the Pirates of the Caribbean.

As of now, new Rib House will be approximately where Dockside Theatre is/was.  I don’t think New LR will come over that far, but we’ll just have to see
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on January 06, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
Local papers and news outlets have now picked up on it.  KY3 and Springfield News Leader have both had features on LR being gone and a lot of construction happening, so the word is definitely out now.
Quite interesting to be hearing speculation and thoughts both out and around the parks.  While the new version of LR seems to be pretty much a lock, it feels like a good bit of the overall project is still in flux.  That's not surprising though.  There were parts of FL that were still influx, including the placement of some rides, even up to a month or two before it was done.  So I'd honestly be shocked if there aren't things that change- even possibly some of the rumors on certain structures that may or may not be removed as part of it.
A lot of it is going to be wait and see until Spring.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 06, 2019, 03:55:12 PM
Local papers and news outlets have now picked up on it.  KY3 and Springfield News Leader have both had features on LR being gone and a lot of construction happening, so the word is definitely out now.
Quite interesting to be hearing speculation and thoughts both out and around the parks.  While the new version of LR seems to be pretty much a lock, it feels like a good bit of the overall project is still in flux.  That's not surprising though.  There were parts of FL that were still influx, including the placement of some rides, even up to a month or two before it was done.  So I'd honestly be shocked if there aren't things that change- even possibly some of the rumors on certain structures that may or may not be removed as part of it.
A lot of it is going to be wait and see until Spring.

Well they were already stripping Rib House, Dockside and White River on the final day of operations so I’d say the rumors on those are solid - though White River will be repurposed for a year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2019, 07:42:51 AM
Will look a lot different in the next 30 days,  How are we going to get those pics?   LOL
Well, with the park closed, any photos taken right now couldn’t be posted. 

You made this statement the other day, And I didnt want to answer and sound like a Smart***!!   
LOL, 
But here is how we will see progress between now and March,,, (this is NOT my video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAUwtci_RU#action=share

Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 08, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2...  lol

Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2019, 10:34:23 AM
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2...  lol

Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?

LOL,  I dont know.. 
I just thought it was humorous, that we were just discussing pics after park closing and this showed up on another website.. ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 08, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
If you can’t tell what you’re looking at.  Rib House is now gone. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2019, 11:33:46 AM
If you can’t tell what you’re looking at.  Rib House is now gone.

We knew that would be gone right away..  LOL.   Looks like everything is stripped out right up to the walkway..

Amazing what they can tear up when they dont have to worry about "tomorrow".  LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 08, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
Apparently it was completely gone as of Thursday afternoon last week
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Apparently it was completely gone as of Thursday afternoon last week

No surprise, with the equipment they have on site..

2 days for building demo? no problem. ;D

I am still intriqued the "saved" Super structure is still standing....
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 10, 2019, 07:31:05 AM
^cease and desist incoming in 3...2...  lol

Is that the same guy that shut the park down a while back because of his drone?

LOL,  I dont know.. 
I just thought it was humorous, that we were just discussing pics after park closing and this showed up on another website.. ::)

You can tell the pilot is across the street (76) from the park.  I think as long as he doesn't go into the space above they cant do much.    I may be wrong but aerial views are not illegal.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Obviousdramatic on January 10, 2019, 08:51:43 AM
I think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 10, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
Quote
I think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
If I am not mistaken WDW became a no fly zone on 9/11.  I dont believe that SDC has the same restrictions.  But this drone pilot was not on property or over it.  Parked at the lot across 76 from maintenance area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 10, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
Quote
I think its illegal to fly a drone over Disney parks. It seems I read it's a no fly zone. Period. Direct orders from FAA. But the internet trends to lie, so......
If this is true, could SDC have same no fly zone rights?
If I am not mistaken WDW became a no fly zone on 9/11.  I dont believe that SDC has the same restrictions.  But this drone pilot was not on property or over it.  Parked at the lot across 76 from maintenance area.

Agreed... 

Dont be surprised if some close up pics show up from local helicopter rides...  Gotta love those Zoom lenses..
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 10, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
Didn't someone try flying a drone over the park a few years ago? I know I read that somewhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2020 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 10, 2019, 08:57:31 PM
Didn't someone try flying a drone over the park a few years ago? I know I read that somewhere.

The issue there was the park was prepping to open to the public.