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Title: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 06, 2017, 02:09:41 PM
This is your official thread to post updates and speculations dealing the 2019 operating season for Silver Dollar City properties in Branson, MO.

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Thanks and happy speculating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 07, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
I certainly wouldn't guess at much in the way of new rides for 2019 at this point considering the colossal expenditure this year. I'd love to see another year of shows emphasis though.

Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 08, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?

I look for that to happen this winter. :-\ :-\     At least take down the wall and rework that part.   

I personally am hoping they dont take out the little "creek" area just inside the wall, maybe just a wider functional bridge or crossing of some kind ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 08, 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, we'll see something happen with the entrance widening/overhaul that we've been assuming has to happen any year now?

I look for that to happen this winter. :-\ :-\     At least take down the wall and rework that part.   

I personally am hoping they dont take out the little "creek" area just inside the wall, maybe just a wider functional bridge or crossing of some kind ;D

I agree that this will probably happen this winter.  They are essentially done with track installment on TT and have now moved onto integration with the park (through removal of structures and new additions which will start to pop up). 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 08, 2017, 10:28:36 PM
That's not really the actual pinch point though. They need to either completely rip out and expand everything through the hospitality house or build the second pathway around the cave opening. Widening the plaza behind the big logo would just make it uglier without much benefit, if done by itself.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 08, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
That's not really the actual pinch point though. They need to either completely rip out and expand everything through the hospitality house or build the second pathway around the cave opening. Widening the plaza behind the big logo would just make it uglier without much benefit, if done by itself.

Youre right of course.... hadnt thought that far in.... but right inside the turnstiles... people stop to put away their passes, wait on the kids, get the ESV's, pick up strollers, look at bakery..... that whole area is packed!!..

Then the bottleneck up by the cave entrance going through there... especially at christmas time!!

So really,  3 problem areas....    have to see what the PTB come up with... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2017, 09:59:16 AM
My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area.  Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area.  Make entrance be off square. 
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: marolinesdad on September 09, 2017, 08:57:06 PM
I like all of that except removing the HH.   Love that old building. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2017, 11:52:16 PM
I like all of that except removing the HH.   Love that old building.

It is no longer useful in its current setup.  It would also be in the way of the new walkway configurations. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 10, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area.  Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area.  Make entrance be off square. 
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions.

The current rental area is a huge bottleneck....but I cant picture them moving it.  They have a huge storage area for the strollers/carts right behind the booth.  They can't move that into the little customer service shack.  A two secordary path though for people to take to avoid that would be great.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 10, 2017, 05:59:53 AM
My idea is to.
1. Take out big logo
2. Reconfigure ticketing area to be booths and customer service (will exit back into plaza and won't be allowed to exit bay bathrooms anymore)
3. Turnstiles will be where big logo was located
4. Rentals / Trailblazer will be moved to old customer service
5. Old turnstiles, rental building, trailblazer/sbb buildings removed
6. Build additional pathway around other side of sink hole
7. Reconfigure cave set-up so Entrance and Exit are in same area.  Make that part of HH cave gift shop and waiting area.  Make entrance be off square. 
8. Remove the rest of HH that's not used for new Cave entrance
9. Make new entry arch to segue from newly reconfigured pathways around sinkhole to the city
10. Perhaps add a new "newspaper" building down in new entrance plaza with newsboys handing out maps (newspapers) and answering general park questions.

The current rental area is a huge bottleneck....but I cant picture them moving it.  They have a huge storage area for the strollers/carts right behind the booth.  They can't move that into the little customer service shack.  A two secordary path though for people to take to avoid that would be great.

So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 11, 2017, 09:52:55 AM


So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???
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That would be great.  I thought the sinkhole was right behind that shack?  I can quite picture how that shack is positioned currently.  I would have guessed they wouldn't have enough room.  I would have guessed a new building by the current bathrooms in the ticket building would be the best place for adding a new shooter place.  I think there a parking lot behind it that just could be used.

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 11, 2017, 11:47:39 AM
I like all of that except removing the HH.   Love that old building.

It is no longer useful in its current setup.  It would also be in the way of the new walkway configurations.

During the backups in there at Christmas time for the trams, I can't imagine how much gift taking goes on in there
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 11, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
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So you're saying they can't build another storage area over at the new site? :o ???

That would be great.  I thought the sinkhole was right behind that shack?  I can quite picture how that shack is positioned currently.  I would have guessed they wouldn't have enough room.  I would have guessed a new building by the current bathrooms in the ticket building would be the best place for adding a new shooter place.  I think there a parking lot behind it that just could be used.

I was talking about right next door to the current GR building.  There is the former wedding booking building that is no longer being used that could be bulldozed and the storage building could be built there.  The current GR building will have to be remodeled anyway to handle rentals and Trailblazer/Showlover passes. 

As for the bathrooms, That can be remodeled and expanded some into the area.  I was thinking the "Newsies" building could go in that corner off the back of the OM building -- it would be to your immediate left once you enter the new gates.

NEW LOGO AREA -- so I was thinking the log and axe could be moved to the planter area south of the Administration Building.  (so around the corner from the ticket booths - past the water wheel).  It would still be front and center that way and you would have the ability to get more of your people in the photos.

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 11, 2017, 02:49:19 PM
Those restrooms need some love....they aren't terrible but they need updated/expanded because they get slammed in the mornings and are one of the first 'attractions' on peoples to do list (especially those who have a few hours drive).  Wouldn't hurt to expand and modernize a place that is very 'first impression' sensitive.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 16, 2018, 06:30:46 AM
I straight up asked about this while up there on opening day and was directly told by some pretty big names that the current entrance/exit will remain as it is. They explained to me that everything from the square to the ticket booths is considered as historical property that will be preserved. They are however in the planning stages of building a secondary entrance/exit. The old parking lot by Grand Expo being the likely future site. Not sure how that will work logistically with the trams/buses, but we will see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on March 16, 2018, 07:22:49 AM
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They are however in the planning stages of building a secondary entrance/exit. The old parking lot by Grand Expo being the likely future site. Not sure how that will work logistically with the trams/buses, but we will see.
In the 90's we used an entrance that was built into Shad's shack down next to the bathrooms at the red gold hall.  You could park in the employee parking and they had an entrance in this area.  It may have been for busses ext. but I remember using it because there was no line.  This would make sense when they are parking people down near Notch to funnel them in this way.  My only issue is this is prime real estate back there.  That parking lot is flat and needs almost no prep for additional expansion.  I would think they will soon fold this into the park.  Its close to 76 but if you consider what other parks have done near roadways (ToonTown and Tomorrow land in DL) You can effectively block the sights and the sounds of the road with buildings and a few trees behind them.  However, I don't know that is as much of a concern as it once was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 16, 2018, 08:51:22 AM
That would be interesting... it would indicate that they are looking to add parking somewhere on that side, even if it is a continuation of their satellite parking. 76 will need a major widening, and possibly a dedicated tram lane... or perhaps a monorail? Works for Alton Towers.

The current employee parking lot is probably the next lot that can be greatly expanded to lot 5 size. Or it would be the perfect spot for the resort.

That side of the park is the best expansion space though, so I'd prefer that they kept the entrance where it is and expanded it to include a pathway around the other side of the sinkhole. Reunion Hall could probably be sacrificed to the cause, but certainly not the mine/mill.

I'm not looking for much of anything to happen in 2019 though. They really spent their wad for the time being and need some ROI to recharge. Between the Christmas event, TT, and rebuilding the skillet area, it feels like they've already been spending more than usual.

Then again, they've got some serious momentum here...
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 16, 2018, 04:09:01 PM
If they build a resort there and maybe have some type of public transport connection (Gondola's?) I could see a 2nd entrance.  Or some type of a VIP parking entrance?  They won't get buses/trams over there from the other lots without using 76.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on March 16, 2018, 08:35:40 PM
Don't they own all the way out to the apartments as well out in the woods beyond the train loop?  If you google maps you can see.  Some where on here they had  a"ownership" map.  I think there would be room for a resort and transport through the woods.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 27, 2018, 08:37:13 AM
I’m calling it now.  2019 will be a “show year”
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on July 27, 2018, 11:31:02 AM
Do you think we'll see another Christmas "expansion" like they did in 2017? From the crowd reports, that seemed to be a very popular attraction.

I wonder if they would ever construct a "snow hill" like they do at the Six Flags parks? Or an ice skating rink?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 27, 2018, 11:55:02 AM
A show year is about what I expect. Still hope to see work start on some general infrastructure/crowd flow improvements.

I can't see any more Christmas expansion because of how much they spent last year plus the fact that they literally can't fit any more people into the park on busy Christmas weekends.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 27, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
I can't see any more Christmas expansion because of how much they spent last year plus the fact that they literally can't fit any more people into the park on busy Christmas weekends.

The issue is that SDC is no longer the only park around that does Christmas stuff.  What they need to do is move Living Nativity to Dockside so that they can have animals.  Both WOF and SFSTL have camels, donkeys, sheep and other animals for their versions.  Having it at Dockside would allow for a petting zoo between shows (like WOF). 

They could then put their “World Fest at Christmas” show In Riverfront Playhouse and leave Red Gold for another musical. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 27, 2018, 02:43:06 PM
I’m calling it now.  2019 will be a “show year”

So....your saying not to expect anything....lol

Every year is a show year.

I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 27, 2018, 03:19:28 PM
I’m calling it now.  2019 will be a “show year”

So....your saying not to expect anything....lol

Every year is a show year.

I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.

Not exactly.  “Show Years” come the season after a large capex.  The park makes a big deal about these big name acts they’re bringing in. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 06, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
I’m calling it now.  2019 will be a “show year”

So....your saying not to expect anything....lol

Every year is a show year.

I don't expect another major ride or expansion for a few years....hopefully they invest a bit into the classics though.
  The park makes a big deal about these big name acts they’re bringing in.

I giggled, big name, good one.

Try mostly also ran.


Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.

The Grand Expo has really filled in canopy wise but that space between the kiddie coaster and ElectroSpin is screaming for something. That covered area is just wasted space.  There is a lack of seating under it, and the fountains aren't working. The shape of the area says a classic whip style ride would be perfect but a fireball would fit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 06, 2018, 12:02:28 PM


Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.



HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it..    BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 06, 2018, 12:49:19 PM


Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.



HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it..    BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did


That's just it. I walked across the bridge around 7:30 last night and looked down and saw emptyness. To the void on one side where the mini swing was at and the empty spot that the storytelling occasionally takes place on the other hand. It looks bad right now.

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2018, 02:25:11 PM


Half Dollar Holler needs much love and a couple of kiddie rides.



HDH does need something, It just never really took off like the PTB thought it would.
I dont know if a couple of small rides would do it..    BUT if they do something , I hope they encrorach on the bridge anymore than they already did

With it being an "off year" I think that now would be the time to move the bug rides over to HDH from GE.  The area where the bug rides are currently in GE can actually be walled off and used on down the road for a future expansion OR they could add a flyer and another flat ride that are relatively cheap.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 07, 2018, 08:40:19 AM
With it being an "off year" I think that now would be the time to move the bug rides over to HDH from GE.  The area where the bug rides are currently in GE can actually be walled off and used on down the road for a future expansion OR they could add a flyer and another flat ride that are relatively cheap.

My thought was something NEW at HDH,
maybe 2 or 3 smaller Kids Rides or attractions of some kind, 
Something that would generate a new found "excitement" in that area.

I just think that area is overlooked by the people...  They head downhill to the Expo, or All the way to FL.   
Need something to get them to stop and spend some time at HDH.   
Maybe the ladybugs, and another existing ride would do that..?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 07, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
I'd still hate to see them smoosh rides in where they aren't really needed. HDH is fine. It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.

Plenty of room to add rides near Fireman's Landing and the expo without harming any more of the park's remaining ambiance and charm.

All I want in 2019 is a re-focus on making the festivals into a bigger deal again. Bluegrass and BBQ has slumped off to the point where it's just some extra BBQ in Red Gold Hall and a few random family bands (although they do get some credit for having Ricky Skaggs come in). The Craftsmen/Harvest festival is basically null at this point since so many of the old craftsmen aren't coming back. Festival of Wonder wasn't as extensive as it could be... Christmas and the Gospel festival seem to be the only festivals that are currently up to par.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on August 07, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
I'd still hate to see them smoosh rides in where they aren't really needed. HDH is fine. It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.

Plenty of room to add rides near Fireman's Landing and the expo without harming any more of the park's remaining ambiance and charm.

All I want in 2019 is a re-focus on making the festivals into a bigger deal again. Bluegrass and BBQ has slumped off to the point where it's just some extra BBQ in Red Gold Hall and a few random family bands (although they do get some credit for having Ricky Skaggs come in). The Craftsmen/Harvest festival is basically null at this point since so many of the old craftsmen aren't coming back. Festival of Wonder wasn't as extensive as it could be... Christmas and the Gospel festival seem to be the only festivals that are currently up to par.

Agreed with everything in this post. I would like the area where HDH to maintain the charm it has left. I would love for 2019 to be a focus on the festivals. It would be great if each festival received at least one major addition that really improved its quality, similar to what Christmas in Midtown achieved last year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on August 07, 2018, 02:01:37 PM
I am not sure what more they could do with the Bluegrass & Barbecue Festival.  They have a lot more than just Ricky Skaggs.  I mean 8 time female vocalist of the year Rhonda Vincent, 7 time vocal group of the year Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver, The Gibson Brothers, The Grascals and 60 other acts throughout the festival.  They also have the Youth In Bluegrass which started at the gazebo in 2001 then moved to the Riverfront Playhouse and now is at the Opera House, and has standing room only there now.  I think in 2015 Bluegrass & Barbecue was voted the IBMA event of the year and is always at the top of the list.  D.A. Callaway has been voted promoter of the year by SPBGMA I believe 4 times since 2012.  The barbecue at Red Gold is really good and reasonably priced.   I think it is a fantastic festival and very hard to improve upon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 07, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
I am not sure what more they could do with the Bluegrass & Barbecue Festival.  They have a lot more than just Ricky Skaggs.  I mean 8 time female vocalist of the year Rhonda Vincent, 7 time vocal group of the year Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver, The Gibson Brothers, The Grascals and 60 other acts throughout the festival.  They also have the Youth In Bluegrass which started at the gazebo in 2001 then moved to the Riverfront Playhouse and now is at the Opera House, and has standing room only there now.  I think in 2015 Bluegrass & Barbecue was voted the IBMA event of the year and is always at the top of the list.  D.A. Callaway has been voted promoter of the year by SPBGMA I believe 4 times since 2012.  The barbecue at Red Gold is really good and reasonably priced.   I think it is a fantastic festival and very hard to improve upon.

As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).

I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on August 07, 2018, 04:55:03 PM
Here is what  I would like to see. Cut out the festivals on the holiday weekends totally. Bluegrass  on Memorial day ? ZIP.  Gospel Music on Labor day. Cut it out and give something everyone can enjoy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 07, 2018, 07:28:03 PM

As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).

I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.

Where would they park the trucks?...

IF they had a real contest, and the competitors accepted the invitation, there could be 75-100 trucks/booths.. or  easily more.. 
Cant put those in the park for 1 day.?   
Maybe make a 2 day event out of it?   BUT?  same questions. Where would you park the trucks?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on August 07, 2018, 08:21:06 PM

As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).

I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.

I like what they used to do, and I'm not sure why they quit.  They used to have several BBQ places from a reasonable radius set up in Red Gold and sell their goods.  At various times it's included Famous Dave's, Hawg Wild (sadly now out of business), I believe Buckingham's, and several others.  Then in the last couple of years they pretty much eliminated all of the outsiders and went with just their own, and it's a shadow of what it was.  While it wasn't a "contest" per se, there was the option to walk around and get samples from a bunch of places and have your own personal contest. 

and the smell as you rode by on the train...   oh, that used to drive us crazy but we loved it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 08, 2018, 10:32:13 AM

As for the BBQ part - I would expect a BBQ contest - at least for one day - bring in a few trucks for a day and have both an official contest and a SDC customer contest - They would have to offer samples from each vendor (either with an overall ticket or individual sales).

I assume they might have a hard time finding trucks to give up a weekend of regular sales though.

Where would they park the trucks?...

IF they had a real contest, and the competitors accepted the invitation, there could be 75-100 trucks/booths.. or  easily more.. 
Cant put those in the park for 1 day.?   
Maybe make a 2 day event out of it?   BUT?  same questions. Where would you park the trucks?

That's why I would say limit it to just a few participants....maybe 4-6.  But your right....I they might not be able to park there trucks in the park.  Most end up smoking all night long.  I assume they wouldn't let them in the park and cook overnight in the park.  Not sure if there is enough room around Red Gold outside for even 4-6 of them.

Not to mention the trucks would be direct competition with SDCs own restaurants for our dollars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on August 08, 2018, 10:05:19 PM
It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.

Our son loves the treehouse structure and can spend quite a bit a time there going through it time after time. If anything, an additional treehouse structure with slides could be a good addition. Maybe replace the sand an story area with an additional structure and connect it to the existing one with a bridge over the middle. It's nice to have a place for him to play and spend some energy and not just wait in line for a ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 09, 2018, 09:28:17 AM
It's a big hit with the young kids in my family. They did leave an ugly hole that I would love to see filled in with landscaping, but other than that I'd rather they left it alone.

Our son loves the treehouse structure and can spend quite a bit a time there going through it time after time. If anything, an additional treehouse structure with slides could be a good addition. Maybe replace the sand an story area with an additional structure and connect it to the existing one with a bridge over the middle. It's nice to have a place for him to play and spend some energy and not just wait in line for a ride.

Glad to hear your kids enjoy that area, as-is.. 
So oftem we dont hear that story, we hear bad things, or negative feedback or ill-feelings..
I am sure there are many families that like the area, But it just doenst seem to be a big draw for families..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
So with so many things ending and/or not coming back for Cowboy Fest.  How much do you bet we get our own version of The Great Pumpkin LumiNights at Dollywood next year as a replacement?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 11, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
I forgot about that, but I would say highly likely. I knew it was just a matter of time when I saw the crowd reports at DW. I will miss the cowboys and crafts, but this is what is hot right now and the true craftspeople just aren't around much anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on August 11, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
As far as craftsman, I know a few who've left.  One of the reasons is because they aren't allowed to do their craft, but must meet a quota of pushing out craft crap instead of real craftsmanship.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on August 11, 2018, 06:53:12 PM
Did I miss something? What's not coming back to the Cowboy Fest?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 11, 2018, 07:15:20 PM
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The wild west show for one thing- I haven't heard about anything else yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2018, 07:17:56 PM
Did I miss something? What's not coming back to the Cowboy Fest?

Cowboy Poet, Mustangs, last year for Wild West Show. 
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Post by: sanddunerider on August 12, 2018, 06:22:45 PM
That will be a shame to loose those events,  Will make quite a void in the festival.... :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 24, 2018, 09:20:25 PM
With the TT post closed....wasn't sure where to put this.

Ran across a youtube clip today of the Mack shop....include some footage of the TT cars being built....might be the track too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBL-159APAo
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2018, 05:13:32 PM
Everything you think you know is about to change. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 31, 2018, 05:45:30 PM
Everything you think you know is about to change.

But when will we be advised of the changes to come?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on August 31, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
Everything you think you know is about to change.

So does that mean we're going to start the bit again about how they're moving Echo Hollow, moving/ completely redoing the entrance to the park, rerouting the train, moving the cave, etc...  :-P
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2018, 09:04:47 PM
Everything you think you know is about to change.

But when will we be advised of the changes to come?

Late Fall Festival - though not “officially” from the park. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 01, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
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Late Fall Festival - though not “officially” from the park.
Maybe time for a sell out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 02, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
Dollywoods LumiNights is coming I bet. Some might balk at this (as discussed in another thread which I will add the link to below) but the bright side to this is I wouldn't be opposed to more opportunities to be at SDC at night.

http://www.sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=3802.0
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on September 02, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
Everything you think you know is about to change.

Hopefully not the theme.  That would be a deal breaker
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on October 05, 2018, 12:31:41 PM
Noticed at the park last week the signs for the final season of It's a Wonderful Life (which we speculated may be going to the Showboat for 2019 due to a 2017 survey).

Do we know what is replacing It's A Wonderful Life in 2019?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: U Smell Smoke on October 05, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
I thought I read it was going to be Miracle on 34th Street in 2019.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 07, 2018, 10:00:11 AM
The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show.  So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on October 07, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show.  So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show.

So it's going to be Christmas around the world or something like that replacing It's A Wonderful Life?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 07, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
The show replacing it sounds like a World Fest sampler platter show.  So think of the things they’ve had in the past at World Fest and cram it all into one show.

So it's going to be Christmas around the world or something like that replacing It's A Wonderful Life?

Yeah that’s the rumor I’ve heard but until it’s officially announced anything is possible
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 08, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
I'd rather see Miracle on 34th St. than Christmas Around the World.  At this point, it doesn't sound too exciting. If this really happens, I think guests that only have time to see one play will choose Dickens over Around the World which will make Dickens much more crowded.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 08, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
I think it would be a step back - if anything I’d keep Wonderful Life.  Put the Around the World Show in Riverfront and then put a new Nativity Show is Dockside with animals (both WOF and SF have animals for their nativity shows)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on October 09, 2018, 08:01:40 AM
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I think it would be a step back - if anything I’d keep Wonderful Life.  Put the Around the World Show in Riverfront and then put a new Nativity Show is Dockside with animals (both WOF and SF have animals for their nativity shows)
I agree SDC might consider the crowds at Christmas are not shrinking they are growing and Saturdays and other busy days are almost unbearable.  The closed water rides causes this crowd issue to be more obvious.  SDC needs to accommodate more people inside and maybe they would increase what would appeal to the older folks that may travel with family.  It would seem to me the shows are the ticket.  IAWL was or is a very well done show,  Personally, I think Miracle on 34th street taking place in 1930s new york is the furthest thing from SDC I can imagine.
 But then again I think the winds are changing as it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 09, 2018, 01:21:53 PM
^lol, what about 1800's England for the dicken's show?  ::) Or the north pole Santa meet and greet? It's Christmas...

I assume they'll bring in another great Christmas production. They would be stupid not to keep a successful thing going. How many people see these shows each season? Most of them are completely filled up on the weekends. They are expensive to produce for sure, but the ROI has to be reasonable considering the kind of draw they bring to the park. WOF/SF aren't ever going to compete with SDC on these kinds of shows. All they have are the cheap karaoke shows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on October 09, 2018, 02:07:49 PM
Id settle for SDC adaption of Christmas Vacation. :) 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 10, 2018, 09:32:43 PM
WOF/SF aren't ever going to compete with SDC on these kinds of shows. All they have are the cheap karaoke shows.

Cheap when compared to a Broadway budget show, but far from being karaoke.  Perhaps you actually visit those events before being so negative? Just a thought.  Both are well done.  WOF is more of entertainment and experiences.  The lights actually could rival SDC in some areas (not Midtown obviously) and SF has a great ride lineup
available. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 10, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
Oh I've seen them, hence my comment. Come on, we all know the shows I'm talking about. Every chain park has at least one show with a few random performers lip-syncing or karaoke-ing to some top 40 soundtrack. I've never understood why these shows are so prevalent when they rarely have much of an audience, but it seems like some parks just want to check off the box for "live performances". Sometimes even certain SDC performances fall into the vein, but at least here we always get actual singing and usually a backing band.

There are some good, or at least entertaining, shows here and there of course. Not saying they are ALL bad.

My point remains that SDC is special in their emphasis and execution of stage shows, and it would be a shame to drop the ball by not replacing Wonderful Life with another good show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 10, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
I've never understood why these shows are so prevalent when they rarely have much of an audience,

Now I know you’ve never been because they’re standing room only at Winterfest and Holiday in the Park.  The living nativity at SF packs the Palace and that place is huge.  The “karaoke” show in the Empire is always full and the show in Miss Kitty’s is always full too.  Over at WOF, any show in the Moulin Rouge is standing room only even in the summer.  The show in Tivoli was pretty full too every time I went. 

The same thing with the Texas SF parks during HITP.
Yes, SDC shows are good, but they don’t have the monopoly on being the only parks with well attended Christmas productions
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 15, 2018, 03:02:55 PM
I hope to check out HITP soon. The only time I've seen full crowds at the shows I was referring to was when people just wanted to get some air conditioning... but I digress. My point was that SDC is special in that they have such great shows and they need to keep pushing it instead of letting it drop off when Wonderful Life leaves. If the competition is picking up, that's all the more reason.

Anyway, sounds like they are doing an actual announcement thing this year? Perhaps just getting in line with modern social media trends since everyone is hyping every announcement these days. KD hyped the announcement of a coaster REMOVAL.

I'm guessing the pumpkin festival is about to be announced.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: okiebluegrass on October 15, 2018, 05:16:29 PM
As long as the craft festival keeps going they can call the fall festival whatever they like.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 16, 2018, 02:48:09 PM
Looking forward to the announcement Friday and seeing what it is.  They've managed to be pretty tight lipped about this one, but I have started to hear some rumbling this week that it might involve a lot of water next year.  Hopefully they'll make the announcement rapidly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 16, 2018, 07:24:22 PM
Looking forward to the announcement Friday and seeing what it is.  They've managed to be pretty tight lipped about this one, but I have started to hear some rumbling this week that it might involve a lot of water next year.  Hopefully they'll make the announcement rapidly.

Is WhiteWater worth the effort anymore?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: okiebluegrass on October 17, 2018, 02:10:11 PM
Water? Rapidly? Lost River?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 17, 2018, 02:23:22 PM
lol, I just realized how long it's been since I even thought about White Water. This SHOULD be a year for them to get a new attraction. It's been forever, and it's presumably an "off" year for SDC.

As for the rumors of a water ride at SDC being replaced... we'll see. I'd be surprised if they announce that this week since you don't want people to skip a year to come back when the new ride is ready. That's why they always keep mum about new coasters even when they are half-built a year in advance. Plus, I am still thinking they might go a different direction and rehabilitate something else, like FM or FiTH.

We're probably just going to get show/festival announcements, but there's some possibilities here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 17, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
Though SDC has been known for doing back to back developments and announcements. 2005 was Powderkeg 2006 was Grand Expo and 2007 was the Barn Swing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on October 17, 2018, 06:46:21 PM
Based on the wording being used in these teasers and Time Traveler just opening, I expect this to be a show related announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 17, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Based on the wording being used in these teasers and Time Traveler just opening, I expect this to be a show related announcement.

That was my initial thoughts.  And hoped for some needed rehabs.  I think those are still on the table- at least the show.  But over the last few days I've talked to a few people and they all seemed to lean the same way, that it's more than that.  Actually had one say they were more excited about what is coming next year than they were over Time Traveler, which is a strong indication that it's much more than a show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 17, 2018, 09:25:55 PM
What if it's a bunch of shows: New Festival of Wonder headliner, big summer series, maybe Ricky Skaggs coming back for Bluegrass and BBQ, and then the Wonderful Life replacement. Didn't they have a rock concert this summer that was pretty well attended? Plus you have the big Christian bands for the young Christians weekend. Could be a "year of shows" just like the year of food and the year of crafts.

I'll hold out a little hope for something to be announced ride-related, but I was never really expecting much for 2019. If they add a ride, chances are it will be for young kids. I think the big rehabs will cost enough and be extensive enough that it will take till 2020 for the first one to open, even if they start working on it in 2019.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 17, 2018, 09:38:15 PM
Did I hear somewhere that RMC retracked Blazing Fury for Dollywood a few years ago? What if they did the same for FITH?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 18, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
The teasers that SDC is sending out on their FB page are obvious it is in regards to shows.
...but it also got me to thinking...could it be a rebuild of Riverfront Playhouse?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 18, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
 We know They are cancelling changing show... I find it hard to believe that will be there big announcement,  But it is a "media game"..

We know from reports that the "Fall" festval is going to be "different", because of vendors NOT being asked to return.. Will that warrant an announcement??   Hmm..  "Media Game"

Of some of you are speculating the Halloween theme event... Hmm??   maybe..   But Media?  probably.

You wont see Riverfront being rebuilt/repaired.. I look for it to disappear is a major redo of that area related to lake silver and FL..   Now? do I expect that for 2019?  NO.  But I firmly believe that day is coming.  ..

I Dont believe it is anything major as far as a ride or attraction, too quiet, no rumors and more importantly...NO boundary or elevation flags... If it was going to happen and be MAJOR.... we would be seeing flags by now.

Water related? Hmm?  Could be, If it is.. I hope it is impressive..   LOL

So, Yes. it will be interesting to find out what the big "media" announcement is..   
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 18, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
Sanddune- if what I am hearing is correct (and I'm hearing it from multiple people now) then at least one of your statements you may be surprised to find is incorrect.  At least one.  :-)
now it's waiting until tomorrow to find out if what I have heard is correct or not.  lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 19, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
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NEW for 2019, Silver Dollar City Presents
The Year of Shows & Festivals
New Mega-Productions & Glowing Fall Nights
        (Branson, Mo. 10/19/18)    A hallmark of Branson’s famed tourism industry is live entertainment and production shows, with Silver Dollar City having proven decades-long leadership in presenting great and unique talent.  Today’s announcement of the 2019 lineup strongly builds on that tradition, with Silver Dollar City beginning a new era of even bolder entertainment with “The Year of Shows & Festivals.” The 1880s internationally-awarded theme park is planning millions of dollars in additions with new and original productions, larger-than-life shows and festival adventures.

        Topline features include a new $1 million, original mega-production show for Summer, Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure; and new for Fall, a spectacular evening and nighttime experience, Pumpkin Nights with thousands of glowing pumpkins artfully brought to life throughout the streets of the City, creating the biggest Fall in the park’s nearly 6-decade history.

        Other large-scale elements include a globally-acclaimed acrobatic French-Canadian lumberjack production show; a slate of evening concerts in the Echo Hollow Amphitheater including Bluegrass Nights in Spring and then, throughout the season, legendary rock, pop and country performers; the new Kid Magic summer show; plus The Festival of Wonder with visually-stunning, globally-inspired production shows.         
 
Summer Mega-Productions
        Imagination comes to life on stage in a huge production opening with Star-Spangled Summer -- the all-new, original production, created exclusively for Silver Dollar City, Reuben’s Swashbuckling Adventure. The $1 million Broadway-style musical is a magical journey of discovery with a colorful cast, flying characters, state-of-the-art sets and special effects. Also new for summer is a show featuring the world’s youngest magician and illusionist, Kid Magic, starring Kadan Bart Rockett & Brooklyn, direct from America’s Got Talent.
 
Supercharging Fall
        The City transforms into a glowing-orange wonderland in Fall 2019 as Silver Dollar City presents Pumpkin Nights. This evening lighting event with thousands of pumpkin creations and larger-than-life icons includes giant scarecrows, cats, owls and other characters shining in the dark. A new Pumpkin Pathway leads to Pumpkin Plaza with a dance party and fall activities. The park stays open until 9 pm, with rides running too, creating a new nighttime experience for families.   

        Fall daytime debuts a pulse-raising French-Canadian production show -- an acrobatic musical about singing and dancing lumberjacks in a high-energy internationally-acclaimed stage show. Also by day, in a setting filled with colorful pumpkins, Silver Dollar City craftsmen welcome visiting artisans, with select new crafters each week. 
 
        Spring kicks off the year with The Festival of Wonder, billed as “A Most Amazing Entertainment Experience,” designed to spark curiosity by presenting several hot-ticket shows such as Phoenix Fire which is a black-light, laser and fire production, and new circus-inspired extraordinary acts for CirqUnique. 
 
        New for Bluegrass & BBQ is Bluegrass Nights, featuring nightly concerts with top bluegrass artists in Echo Hollow Amphitheatre. Following Southern Gospel’s 12 biggest days for Southern Gospel Picnic is a new event for September: Country Music Days presents 13 back-to-back days of iconic country music and Saturday Night Celebrity Concerts with classic country stars.
 
        The grand finale to the year is Christmas. The City transforms into one of the world’s most recognized holiday celebrations, An Old Time Christmas, with over 6.5 million lights, the dazzling Christmas In Midtown, Rudolph’s Holly Jolly™ Christmas Light Parade, original musical productions A Dickens’ Christmas Carol and It’s A Wonderful Life, plus a towering Special Effects Christmas Tree – all for a Christmas season bigger and brighter than ever.
 
        “We are, and always will be, respectful to our roots of presenting great crafts, unique music and family-friendly shows,” said Brad Thomas, President of Silver Dollar City Attractions. “This coming year, we will add many colorful layers, boldly building a new era of entertainment into our traditions.  Guests are seeking new adventures and always looking for something they haven’t seen before. We promise we will deliver new experiences while embracing favorites as we support our mission statement of Creating Memories Worth Repeating,” Thomas said.
 
        Season passes for 2019 go on sale November 1. For details and additional elements:
800-831-4FUN(386), or www.silverdollarcity.com.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 19, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
They had specifically said some of those things were going away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 19, 2018, 09:12:26 AM
Yeah.  They had announced that both Rudolph and Wonderful Life would be leaving but it appears that’s no longer the case - and is a smart move to keep both.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 19, 2018, 09:22:02 AM
It's A Wonderful Life is back in??? Sounds better than I expected, but I will miss the cowboys. My brother-in-law was in Dollywood for Lumi-Nights and thought it was hokey.  It doesn't sound too bad to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on October 19, 2018, 09:37:33 AM
They had specifically said some of those things were going away.

Yes, the ads for this year say it's the last year for It's a Wonderful Life but it is mentioned in the press release.

I am looking forward to the expansion of shows and music. Since we don't ride as much anymore, the expansion of music and shows gives us a reason to continue being season pass holders.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 19, 2018, 09:49:40 AM
AWESOME. This is everything I wanted from a year dedicated to shows. If I were in charge, this is literally exactly how I would have laid it out.

The new pumpkin festival sounds like it has been well thought out and isn't just DW's Luminights plopped into SDC. I love the emphasis on daytime crafts and the new Lumberjack show with the pumpkins being a nightly thing.

The new summer broadway style show has me super excited as well. Like I was saying earlier, I want to see more of these really well produced shows at SDC. I'm excited to see how another big non-Christmas show will do.

As a Bluegrass fan, Bluegrass Nights has me excited. I hope Ricky is coming back for this. I know the Country nights will be popular as well.

AND they're keeping Wonderful Life? Cherry on top.

Honestly, I might end up at SDC 10+ times next year... not a small feat for me since I live ~4 hours away and have to get a hotel or camp.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 19, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
Sounds like it's an interesting year.  I appreciate how it looks like they are doubling down not just on one or two shows but beefing up the entertainment as a whole.  That's good because is some spots it looked like it was starting to slide.
I'm curious about the big summer production.  That could be really good, or really cheesy. Hopefully it hits the good mark.  The other shows and festivals look to be fun.
Those who had a feeling about October were right on.  I noticed it said crafting days, but then no other mention of the crafters.  Wonder what's really happening with them.  But the fall evenings should be nice at least.
Overall, very nice.
What I've been hearing I didn't see mentioned at all, and that's partially why I didn't talk about it- strong rumors and nothing more.  What I've heard is that they are taking out Lost River and the BBQ rib place and completely redoing that entire area of the park, including a new rapids ride and other additions.  I've also heard it's a 2 year project, which would account for why it's not mentioned.  It also may not happening, which would also explain that.  lol  So we'll see.  :-)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 19, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
Branson Tri-Lakes mentioned the crafters - different crafters on park weekly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 19, 2018, 10:46:03 AM
The Lost River thing is certainly a big rumor at the moment, as are some other things. We'll see what happens with that later in 2019. I presume there will be walls up in August if that pans out.

As for crafters, they probably have to get more nuanced with them due to declining quantity and quality of actual crafters. People don't necessarily want to park it at SDC for a month or more anymore. Focusing on bigger names on a weekly basis may be a good strategy. Gives them more spotlight.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on October 19, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Welp, I watched the preview video and wow, I am super excited for next year! Hopefully I'll actually get to go; haven't been to SDC since 2016. I do get to go to Dollywood on Halloween this year, so it'll be cool to see LumiNights and get a taste of what's coming to SDC next year.

Also, I wanna point out on their 2019 page that they mention an "expansion" at Grand Exposition with the "new Woodland Hike." I'm very curious to know what that means!

https://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/2019Overview
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 19, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
Heh I was right on about the Pumpkin Festival and it's presumed location. It will be a good fit for GE.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 19, 2018, 12:35:44 PM
Sounds like it's an interesting year.  I appreciate how it looks like they are doubling down not just on one or two shows but beefing up the entertainment as a whole.  That's good because is some spots it looked like it was starting to slide.
I'm curious about the big summer production.  That could be really good, or really cheesy. Hopefully it hits the good mark.  The other shows and festivals look to be fun.
Those who had a feeling about October were right on.  I noticed it said crafting days, but then no other mention of the crafters.  Wonder what's really happening with them.  But the fall evenings should be nice at least.
Overall, very nice.
What I've been hearing I didn't see mentioned at all, and that's partially why I didn't talk about it- strong rumors and nothing more.  What I've heard is that they are taking out Lost River and the BBQ rib place and completely redoing that entire area of the park, including a new rapids ride and other additions.  I've also heard it's a 2 year project, which would account for why it's not mentioned.  It also may not happening, which would also explain that.  lol  So we'll see.  :-)

More shows to counteract the lack of indoor attractions when the temp falls.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 19, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Heh I was right on about the Pumpkin Festival and it's presumed location. It will be a good fit for GE.

lol, yeah and I was right about them doing a "year of shows", though it wasn't much of a leap from the teasers and previous year's of emphasis.  ;D

I would guess that the Woodland Hike thing at GE is going to be a small trail around the perimeter from the gate at the insect rides to the gate by the elephants. If you look on google maps you can see where it could go, though the topography is a little steep at certain points. This will probably be something like a trick or treat trail or maybe just a bunch of pumpkins in the woods.

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on October 19, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
Here's the link to the free article in Branson Tri-Lakes News:

http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_f8a446fe-d3aa-11e8-98a0-8b40073b97f0.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on October 19, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
Sounds like a exciting year. I was hoping that a replacement of IAWL would come about but looks like it will be the same old same old there. A very interesting choice for the summer though with a pirate themed show. I will be curious to see how they theme this out to fit in. But, A very good effort overall for the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on October 19, 2018, 08:48:46 PM
Great announcement and it looks like great additions for 2019! I'm most intrigued about the summer Broadway show and the new fall offerings. I kind of figured the pumpkin nights would be coming since that has been such a hit for DW. I will be excited to see how it pans out. I think Valley Road and Grand Expo are the perfect locations for it. One thing I hope they do is step up the BBQ for the Bluegrass and BBQ Festival. I didn't make it to the park during that festival this year but it definitely sounds like it was lacking.

Very excited for 2019!
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on October 22, 2018, 05:43:24 PM
I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade.  It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude.  I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 22, 2018, 09:41:34 PM
I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade.  It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude.  I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.

The best place to see the parade (with limited crowds) is in Grand Expo or by Fire in the Hole
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2018, 07:36:03 AM
I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade.  It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude.  I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.

Easy solution, 
do as I do.....  be elsewhere..   LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 23, 2018, 08:29:20 AM
^If its not too cold at the time, marathon the coasters that will be open with no lines.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: okiebluegrass on October 23, 2018, 09:17:08 AM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

The one thing I don't miss...
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2018, 09:45:35 AM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

The one thing I don't miss...


LOL,  Okie, another thing we apparantly have in common. ::).   
Meet me at the car, I always have fireball in the cooler ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on October 23, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

The one thing I don't miss...

LMAO, Not sure if I dislike this more or that blasted tree going off every 15 minutes. I like most of the Christmas celebration but if I had some explosives that tree would be history.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 23, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

The one thing I don't miss...


LOL,  Okie, another thing we apparantly have in common. ::).   
Meet me at the car, I always have fireball in the cooler ;D

You crack me up!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 23, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

The one thing I don't miss...

LMAO, Not sure if I dislike this more or that blasted tree going off every 15 minutes. I like most of the Christmas celebration but if I had some explosives that tree would be history.  ;D

I have some large mortars left over from the 4th..!! :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on October 23, 2018, 06:55:03 PM
I wish they would get rid of the holly jolly parade.  It is not so much the parade itself, but its the people crowding around to see it and suddenly becoming extremely rude.  I have seen many fights almost break out while waiting.

Easy solution, 
do as I do.....  be elsewhere..   LOL

I would love to do that, except the wife insists we watch it.  I will try the FITH area or GE next time
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 23, 2018, 09:04:01 PM
We kind of like the tree but totally agree about the parade.  it's been boring since it's beginning and highly inconvenient.  the one good thing is that it does cut down on ride and show lines and the park is more manageable to navigate since a lot of guests leave after the first parade.  But a lot of the crowd seems to like the parade.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 24, 2018, 10:21:15 AM
Grinches, everyone.  :D

The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: okiebluegrass on October 24, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
Don't get me wrong. I love Christmas and I don't even mind having a parade, but for goodness sake, it's time to get rid of Rudolph... or change up the music .. or ... I don't know ANYTHING but holly jolly... holly jolly ... holly jolly Christmas

<Okiebluegrass assumes fetal position in corner ... >
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 24, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
<shudder>
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
Holly Jolly.... Holly Jolly... Holly Jolly Christmas....
two parades each night for two months.....
and Rudolph repeated on a loop every 45 minutes
</shudder>

Kind of like:
"It's a small world after all,
It's a small world after all,
It's a small world after all,
It's a small small world..."
<repeat an nauseum>

lol  Yes it gets in your head, but I think more people like it than hate it.  The parade is really popular, and the music fits.  Even if it can be a bit annoying.  :-P
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 24, 2018, 10:28:28 PM
I like the parade - dislike the Rudolph theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 25, 2018, 01:08:18 AM
I am gonna go against the grain here... lol

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 25, 2018, 06:47:41 AM
Grinches, everyone.  :D

The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.

"pinchpoint"???
LOL.  So thats what you call it.. 
YES!!  Stay away from the that new area..... 
The "pinchpoint" will be quite obvious..!!    ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 25, 2018, 08:42:18 AM
Grinches, everyone.  :D

The parade is a tight fit, but it's very fun and inventive for a park like SDC. I wish they could expand the pinchpoints just a little, and am still scratching my head over the new area that actually added a big pinch point, but oh well.

"pinchpoint"???
LOL.  So thats what you call it.. 
YES!!  Stay away from the that new area..... 
The "pinchpoint" will be quite obvious..!!    ::)

If this is referring to the planter area in front of the Time Traders shop, I bet they will find out the hard way and either reduce its size or remove it completely in the off season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 25, 2018, 07:43:18 PM
Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday?  It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 25, 2018, 08:28:50 PM
That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on October 25, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
If Lost River is closing I wonder when they’ll tell people that. If walls go up Sunday it will be pretty clear to everyone something is happening to it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 25, 2018, 08:39:46 PM
Intriguing. I would have assumed they would wait till next year. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

If they took it out without warning, it would be interesting to see the blow back from guests about not even getting a heads-up. Maybe it will impact their thinking about wildly replacing things.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 25, 2018, 09:41:51 PM
Considering all the whining they got when they announced Geyser Gulch was leaving - what difference would it make?

If all those rumors come to fruition, I’m really curious to see if that area will even be accessible next season and if it is, will it be a small pathway through or what.  The rumors made it sound like almost a clean cut of Riverfront area and it wouldn’t even be recognizable when finished.  I guess the new rapids ride (again rumor) has to have its own treated water reservoir so that means Lake Silver would be one smaller or even done away with. 

Like I said if all of the rumors come to fruition everything we knew will be gone
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 26, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday?  It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not

If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time..    ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on October 26, 2018, 11:39:25 PM
Interesting. I also assumed this wouldn't be happening this year. I really hope that Lake Silver stays, but I'm interested to see what happens here. I am looking forward to watching the progress on this project!
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2018, 12:32:56 AM
Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday?  It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not

If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time..    ??? ???

That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.

Apparently not too much of a secret?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 27, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
Well if the rumors from earlier this year are true, this will be the last weekend for Lost River and walls should go up on Sunday?  It’ll be interesting to see if this pans out or not

If this does happen, It will be the best kept secret at SDC on a long time..    ??? ???

That was the hot topic last weekend when we were there.

Apparently not too much of a secret?  ;D

Well? Uh? yes..

Talking about it last week, a project of this size.??. (if it happens). 

No mention of it, no rumors this summer, last spring, or even last year..   
Yes..  That makes it a secret...  (IF it happens)

I cant help wonder now, with the " Lost River/Lake Silver/Riverfront" Project or whatever is happening, which would be a 2020 unveiling AND The latest survey, prices, passes and so on.
 
Are they going to do a major restructure of entry fees and SP's and coincide it with a big kick off of their latest attraction and/or newest area in 2020
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2018, 09:30:23 AM
Well actually it was talked about numerous times but we have several posters that don’t like to discuss things anymore and would rather take offense to everything so that drowns our any real posts.  But yes these rumors have been around for most of the season.  In fact all the way back to the earthquake that damaged the ride’s trough in many places causing it to lose massive amounts of water daily. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 27, 2018, 10:39:09 AM
The Rapids ride a favorite for our crew, we'd want to see it replaced with a similar ride. Next year is our skip SDC pass year so it'll be important for our 2020 pass buying plans.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2018, 11:20:24 AM
Hearing multiple reports that bus/tram drivers are announcing that this is the last weekend for LR and that it’ll come back as a new version in a little over a year and a half. 

As far as replacement I’ve heard it’ll be like Infinity Falls only a little taller to get an “-ist” for promotional purposes
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 27, 2018, 11:59:29 AM
Themed?  I'd have no problem with that.  Lost River lost its Fountain of Youth Theme before it was ever completed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 27, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 27, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
It sounds like it's just at its limit of being cost-effective to keep a damaged ride open.  It just may be the only choice they have at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 27, 2018, 03:21:06 PM
Not to mention all the insurance/safety issues. Getting into the boats always felt crazy. No other raft ride had that kind of station setup, as I recall.

I'm just surprised they are doing this so quickly and quitely. No media announcement or hints during the recent 2019 announcements. Going to be a surprise for many next year.
I guess it makes sense to start ASAP... Get as much clearing done now so there is less impact next year. And they don't want to put people off coming next season, so best to keep it quiet until at least the summer. Just feels unlike SDC for such a storied old ride to silently get the axe.

I'd still rather they worked on the entrance than the riverfront. It is a pretty tightly crowded area sometimes, but it's also nice and wooded and just has a nice feel to it. They did a good job with the area around TT, so I'm sure it will be nice.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 27, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
This does kinda remind me of how Buzzsaw met it's end. I don't remember much hype announcing it's conversion either. Just the walled off area with the "Blast in the Wilderness" teaser signage.

I would really like to see FITH retracked like Dollywood's version was. Theirs is butter smooth when I went to ride it back in August. I found myself bracing for the usual spots known on FITH to instead be met with no jolts which in itself was jarring. (pun intended) lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 27, 2018, 03:42:28 PM
I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.

so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 27, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.

so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..

No!  Terrible idea! I love AP; just make it good again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 27, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.

so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..

No!  Terrible idea! I love AP; just make it good again.

A new raft ride with large drop makes AP redundant with it's single drop and not much else.  I can see it going bye bye.

Eventually, if AP goes bye bye, I'd like to see an all new flume ride either there or elsewhere with multiple drops and reverse sections with lots of theming like Chiapas at Phantasialand.

I'd like a Mack Power splash any where

https://youtu.be/Z15D4-DfRQs
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 27, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
I have to say I'm kinda surprised if this is legit happening now. I had thought FM AP or even FITH would be higher on the list to receive attention by the park.

so they do a large water attraction now, then AP can be replaced with a coaster and nobody will think a thing about it..

Again, if the rumors pan out, this will be a bigger Infinity Falls which has an elevator lift with an impressive last drop hill
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on October 27, 2018, 10:08:51 PM
It still kind of surprises me they wouldn’t want Lost River open for at least part of next summer. It will be interesting to see if AP/Riverblast have longer lines on hot days next year and how much longer they will be. Also I hope the replacement has a bigger capacity because the line for Lost River seemed to always move pretty slow.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 28, 2018, 07:46:49 AM
It still kind of surprises me they wouldn’t want Lost River open for at least part of next summer. It will be interesting to see if AP/Riverblast have longer lines on hot days next year and how much longer they will be. Also I hope the replacement has a bigger capacity because the line for Lost River seemed to always move pretty slow.

IF it is a big as Swoosh is indication, and it very well could be considering the area they will be using. It will take a year or longer to complete project.  Fro a 2020 Kickoff,  they would have to start right away...

IF this does happen, the views from the train, AND aerial views next year will be very interesting..... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 28, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 28, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U

yes, I can see that fit into the lost river/lake silver area. 

Massive area, Massive ride, of course SDC will be taller, for the world record claim.. The only thing I wonder about it, is that size of a ride, on that much real estate.?  That a lot of space for 1 attraction.. of course in theory it would be replacing 2 rides..  maybe that is how they are going to justify it...   

LOL>.   "IF" that is whats happening...

It could easily butt right up against the retaining wall at FL. .
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 28, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
The ride in question that Swoosh mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QF8Fm-04U

yes, I can see that fit into the lost river/lake silver area. 

Massive area, Massive ride, of course SDC will be taller, for the world record claim.. The only thing I wonder about it, is that size of a ride, on that much real estate.?  That a lot of space for 1 attraction.. of course in theory it would be replacing 2 rides..  maybe that is how they are going to justify it...   

LOL>.   "IF" that is whats happening...

It could easily butt right up against the retaining wall at FL. .

Well the issue is you’re trying to make it fit into current Riverfront.  Don’t forget that entire area is changing too.  Also from the aerials posted on Twitter by Bioreconstruct it doesn’t look that much bigger of a land plot. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 28, 2018, 10:17:55 AM
All right.  Place your bets on whether or not Rejoice sign will show up this year.  My bet is no because of walls
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 28, 2018, 03:39:56 PM
All right.  Place your bets on whether or not Rejoice sign will show up this year.  My bet is no because of walls

Agreed,  if the walls are over 7-8 feett tall for "privacy"..  No sign
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on October 28, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
It looks like the Lost River has been removed from the list of rides on SDC’s website.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on October 28, 2018, 04:42:24 PM
If the speculation and rumors are true. I am more excited about this than either Outlaw Run or TT. Highly theme it and it will be a big hit.  But, Hopefully AP will not be discarded just to make way for another coaster. Give it some love or completely rebuild it in the old water boggen area in a few years. Get all the water rides in that general area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 28, 2018, 05:12:57 PM
I'll bet they don't mess with AP for a long time simply because there are already 10 years worth of other projects. The inevitable FM and FITH remodels will be big deals, plus the inevitable new entrance, plus the "off" years in between. No reason to start worrying too much about it yet, unless there is another high profile incident somewhere that causes insurance/safety boards to crack down on classic log flumes.

Curious how much they'll really do with the riverfront. Will the courthouse theatre/riverfront playhouse be taken out? What will happen to Dockside? I presume everything on the lake side of the pathway will get cleared and rebuilt somehow. Probably expand the path and put in smaller shops/eateries like the new chicken sandwich place near TT. There's also still that dead area where Gandy Dancer used to be, and the backside of the Carousel Barn that used to have a shop space in it. They could put something back there, or at least re-connect it so there's another route through the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 28, 2018, 05:45:54 PM
Well it’s far from a secret that both FITH and FM are on deck.  So I’d say AP is going to go status quo for the foreseeable future. 

Regarding Riverfront. I’ve heard rumored that everything on Lake side (Rib House through Toy Store) is history and the current Magic Shop
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on October 28, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
After seeing what the lines will be like next summer at AP with LROTO closed will surely motivate them to keep AP open for awhile just so the lines don't get too crazy at the new ride for 2020.  (I know- yes they will be long and don't call me "surely")  :)

Hoping they'll relocate the Rib House- that's one of our favorites


Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on October 28, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
WOW, crazy.  We were there Saturday, the weather was great, the river was running but we did not ride it.  I guess we should have.

What always confused me is all year this year, it seemed they were only running 2 rafts at a time instead of 3.  They would always load the front 2 and send the 3rd out empty.  I never once saw the line going around thru the back main entrance, it always lined up way down the bridge and went in the front.  This seemed to increase the wait time quite a bit.  I never understood why.

I am thinking this is the first I have heard about an earthquake damaging it, or maybe I just forgot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Citydweller84 on October 28, 2018, 08:23:47 PM
After seeing what the lines will be like next summer at AP with LROTO closed will surely motivate them to keep AP open for awhile just so the lines don't get too crazy at the new ride for 2020.  (I know- yes they will be long and don't call me "surely")  :)

Hoping they'll relocate the Rib House- that's one of our favorites

Totally agree with this. I love the Rib House and will definitely miss it if its gone for good.

I love Lost River too and am sad to see it going. Hoping its replacement honors it, and the Diving Bell (not that I was around for that, but I appreciate nods to the park's history).
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 28, 2018, 08:31:13 PM
I'd love it if they surprised us with a Diving Bell attraction too. Wishful thinking tho.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 28, 2018, 08:49:14 PM
lol, don't get your hopes up about the diving bell. It just wouldn't be that impressive in 2018, unless they really went out and did something disney-esque with a flying theatre or something.

I'm sure the ribhouse will be reborn just like the skillet were. Will be nice to see some more emphasis on BBQ again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on October 28, 2018, 09:39:56 PM
The last walk through this summer I noted riverfront areas, and these additions were created 79-87.  Property near the lake was not well used.  I do vote they keep a lake. I can see retooling this I just hope they do it right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 28, 2018, 09:56:52 PM
The real question is where will they put the retention pool for the ride because it has to be treated water so they won’t be able to just use the Lake like they did before.  Maybe on the other side of the tracks?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 28, 2018, 10:23:36 PM
Any chance that they move the entrance/station over to the barn swing area?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 29, 2018, 06:20:26 AM
Any chance that they move the entrance/station over to the barn swing area?

Highly doubtful due to the elevation change.  The popular rumor has been the new entrance will go where Ribhouse is currently - basically a straight shot down the hill from Tom Sawyer’s Landing
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 29, 2018, 07:37:41 AM
The last walk through this summer I noted riverfront areas, and these additions were created 79-87.  Property near the lake was not well used.  I do vote they keep a lake. I can see retooling this I just hope they do it right.

I wouldnt be surprised to see a new lake,  cement pond sort of thing, could easily encompass the ride area,  I would expect it to butt right up to the new retaining wall at FL. That whole area would still be water related. 

That way the whole area would "flow" together from FL over to the RibHouse.....  (see what I did there......   "Flow",  water?  water flow?.LMAO!!! ).,  I need coffee.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on October 29, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
So I guess the full rumors are out and flying.  lol  Here's what little bit I've heard from a few sources, and take all of it with a grain of salt because none of it is "official" in any way at all, just what I've gleaned and can easily be inaccurate.

What I've head is that are removing the Lost River and Rib House and using that area for an expansion that will likely include another rapids ride and BBQ place, but there's also a good chance it will include other things as well.

I haven't heard anything about Lake Silver at all, but with them needing some sort of retaining pond for the rapids, and with Fireman's Landing being designed the way it is water side I would be surprised if they don't have some sort of "lake" there in the future, just maybe not as big as it is now.

I haven't heard anything about theaters and stores on "landside" changing or having anything happen to them, and honestly doubt there are any plans for that.  I think all of the changes and expansions will end up being waterside of the riverfront area.  I don't see any reason for them to change any of the theaters or stores that are there now, except the rib house and maybe Rube Dugans, the other store that's water side next to the Lost River.  That will disappoint my daughter as she likes shopping for dresses there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 30, 2018, 01:14:56 PM
Isn't Lake Silver over a sinkhole or a spring?  I thought there was a conversation on here about that a few years ago.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on October 30, 2018, 02:11:38 PM
I am pretty sure lake silver has a concrete bottom.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 30, 2018, 10:39:18 PM
Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s a man made lake that was created as a water retention pool. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on October 31, 2018, 08:30:07 AM
I do know that in the mid 60's before anything was built in that area, the lake was there.  They had a mannequin in a boat fishing that the conductor on the train would shoot at (that's another story).   I don't remember exactly how big the lake was at that time.   It's possible they could have drained, enlarged, and even cemented the bottom. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 31, 2018, 11:48:03 AM
regardless what they do to the lake, remove it, replace it, rebuild it... It will look much better...  The lake has looked bad for a while now,  trash on the banks,  water looked bad..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 31, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Save the fish!

Beware of a new Fish Fry stand next year. Those ain't crappie.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on October 31, 2018, 02:30:58 PM
Ordered our 2019 passes. Noticed that the email includes a barcode that matches individual codes on the bottom of our passes. The 2018 email did not include the barcode. Has there been any rumors of them adding digital passes to the app for 2019.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on October 31, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
I do know that in the mid 60's before anything was built in that area, the lake was there.  They had a mannequin in a boat fishing that the conductor on the train would shoot at (that's another story).   I don't remember exactly how big the lake was at that time.   It's possible they could have drained, enlarged, and even cemented the bottom.

Yes! I'm certain there was a conversation on here about at one time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on October 31, 2018, 03:55:53 PM
Save the fish!

Beware of a new Fish Fry stand next year. Those ain't crappie.

I like that, hope it happens..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 03, 2018, 03:45:02 PM
I am at the city and I would pay money they are going ahead with tear out of ride. Photos s later no Rejoyce sign
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 03, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
I am at the city and I would pay money they are going ahead with tear out of ride. Photos s later no Rejoyce sign

Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today.  I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.

Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year. 

I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 03, 2018, 07:48:46 PM
No one said anything about Rib House closing before the end of the season. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 04, 2018, 08:20:47 AM
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today.  I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.

Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year. 

I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.

Maybe you have seen lake silver drained to its traditional level or you were there earlier than me.  They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches.  It’s on its way.  Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3.   They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustard. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on November 04, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today.  I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.

Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year. 

I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.

Maybe you have seen lake silver drained or you were there earlier than me.  They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches.  It’s on its way.  Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3.   They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustar.

They always lower Lake Silver during the Christmas festival.  Those pictures look about right if they didn't lower it much more than that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 04, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
They don’t normally have a sump pump out to drain it completely though. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 04, 2018, 04:00:01 PM
Good pics,   The Big water pump isnt right though.. ?   

something going on there.. ( I mean besides pumping water out of lake..LOL)
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 05, 2018, 08:17:14 AM
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Outside of the REJOICE sign missing, there was absolutely nothing different looking about the Lost River or Lake Silver area today.  I was out for a while and shot some video footage, but at least at this point it looks like it does every year at this time.

Rib house was also open for business and looking completely normal for this time of year. 

I'd say if it's happening, then they aren't starting for a while yet, and may wait until after the Christmas season.

Maybe you have seen lake silver drained to its traditional level or you were there earlier than me.  They had a large aux pump out in the lake to draw it to inches.  It’s on its way.  Looked like they are going to start chewing at the back end and leave the rib house till after the season.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155498898586652&set=a.10150599990141652&type=3.   They have also reduced the price or all lucky branded merch 50%. The dog didn’t cut the mustard. 

They've used that aux pump many times in the past to lower the lake water.  There was still a couple of feet of water in lake silver, and that, along with the pump, are completely normal for this time of year.  The pump will often be out there for the first weekend if they don't get it quite finished draining before the park opens, but then they'll remove it after that.  So really it's waiting to see if they move it today or tomorrow when the park is closed.

I didn't look much in the stores since I was only out there for about 4 hours (didn't want to deal with the crowds more than that, and work was calling), but that's interesting that Lucky stuff is on sale.  Might have to check that out for my nephew.  Still wish they would bring back a lot of the classic toys that were in that store.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 05, 2018, 10:24:48 AM
lol, so either way though, they've already come out and said it's coming out, they just haven't started OBVIOUS construction yet. Perhaps they have started gutting the inside? Or their workforce is devoted elsewhere with Christmas stuff still. I know we'll all be watching intently for the first signs of real obvious work.

Coaster Christmas this weekend will be interesting. I expect a teaser, just like we got in 2016 when Brad told us to get start getting excited about what we would eventually find out was Time Traveler.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 05, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
Coaster Christmas this weekend will be interesting. I expect a teaser, just like we got in 2016 when Brad told us to get start getting excited about what we would eventually find out was Time Traveler.

I'd be surprised if they don't give some sort of teaser at the meal.  Has the park actually said anything about Lost River yet, other than it being removed from the website?
Totally going to miss the joke from the train about it though.  "Over to your right is the Lost River.  I don't know why we call it the Lost River.  It's right there!"

Wonder how the coaster part of the ACE event will turn out.  Right now temps are looking to be cold enough that they might not be able to run the coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 05, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
The first signs of construction should be visible if you know where to look, this coming weekend.  Nothing earth shattering yet, but still an important step.  Major movement will start the week after Thanksgiving and I’m pretty sure that’s when walls will pop up. 

Some “news” from various vendors about next year.  Bent Spoon is moving to a new location by Saloon area.  Pearl Shop is moving to Magic Shop.  Magic Shop (if it even returns) will go back near FITH (though he might not return at all).  Ribhouse will move to a temporary location in Carousel Barn whole new location is built. 

If you have any sentimental attachment to the Riverfront area make sure you get photos soon because it’s pretty all going to get leveled and built new.  In fact I’m a little surprised at some of the things leaving. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 05, 2018, 07:57:25 PM
Sounds crazy. The inclination is that Dockside theatre will be taken out. Perhaps it will just be repurposed... I get that they would want to open up all that space, since there is a lot of room behind it, but that's a good theater and shop building.

I assume they have some good plans though. Just have to wait and see how it all shakes out.

As for this weekend, they just announced on FB that since the window of TT being open is going to be short, they aren't going to do ERT and will just give everyone trailblazers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 05, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
Well since you went ahead and said it - Dockside will be torn down.  New Ribhouse is supposed to go there
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 05, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.

Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.

Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 05, 2018, 08:31:21 PM
Other than the tram announcements about LR closing I am kinda surprised how little the park or the various theme park enthusiast pages have talked about it publicly. I definitely don't know how to feel about such a large older section of the park about to meet its end. I'm curious to know how regulars and the GP will feel about this once it becomes more obvious. That section of the park was very popular from my observations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 05, 2018, 09:09:39 PM
They’ll care about as much as they do now about the old stuff that is gone from the TT area.  Let’s be honest Riverfront as is is a horrible use of space.  Ribhouse’s dining area is not ADA compliant and let’s not even pretend that Dockside is even close to being a great performance venue. 

Rumors are we could be down 3 theaters in the near future.  I hope they have plans to build new ones - but then again look at how often the big ones sit unused during the season. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 05, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.

Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.

Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.

Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans.  Things are not done being changed in that area.  You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see.  The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure.  The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades.  While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run.  These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically.  This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 06, 2018, 06:49:36 AM
Well, we'll see what happens, I'm just saying that's the inclination I would get from that news. I wouldn't put too much stock in any rumors just yet. All we know is that they are moving everybody around. I feel like that's such a big asset to write off unless they are planning on adding another theater in the process somehow. It also seems like they could just re-purpose the building instead of doing a full tear down an new build.

Who knows though, just like with the area around TT I was surprised at how much they rebuilt for apparently so little gain. It's hard to say what the driving forces are sometimes. Maybe the buildings aren't to code or have other problems.

Seeing what happens over the winter will be fun. Lot of questions to answer here. Almost more of a mystery than Time Traveler.

Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans.  Things are not done being changed in that area.  You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see.  The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure.  The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades.  While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run.  These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically.  This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.

And you can tell this is true...  step back and look at River blast, the walkway down from their, the pIzza Joint, Walway tto the swings, the new restroom....  then look down toward Ribhouse,  that whole "old" area is screaming for redo..

Stand by, Shave is right about this... may not happen in 2020,  but it will be new from river blast to FL.. first lakside, then a redo on the theatre and shops side..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 06, 2018, 08:32:28 AM

Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans.  Things are not done being changed in that area.  You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see.  The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure.  The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades.  While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run.  These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically.  This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.

Oh I get it. I've speculated before about them having very long term plans to basically rebuild the park just from an engineering and logistics standpoint. I'm just saying we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with expectations just yet. Replacing Lost River is already an ambitious project. The other things in the area are probably also in a longer term plan, but I'm going to wait and see what gets closed off next year before I get too dismayed about things being torn down. Sometimes things get scaled back, and sometimes we overestimate the extent of things based on rumors anyway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mg on November 06, 2018, 01:03:18 PM
Noticed that they upped the age for Senior passes to 65 from 62.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 06, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
If anyone is interested, the video that I shot on Saturday when I was there showing some of the rumored areas of construction is posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiypyYVLwBc

Seems like the rumors are really all over the place, and about the only thing that seems to be agreed on is Lost River is gone, and probably the BBQ joint and Lake Silver is going to look quite a bit different.  Lots of variations on what else may or may not be changed, and I have some strong suspicions that some of those that people are confident of aren't going to pan out, and things that some think will change, won't, while others that may not be in the rumor mill now will change.

One thing I learned when I was there is that SDC is constantly refining, tinkering, and going over their plans.  There were several versions of Fireman's Landing's layout.  The area around Time Traveler was not the first plan (or the second, or the third...)  And while they may be talking about doing something now, that could easily change in a couple of weeks when they rethink it a bit more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on November 06, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
The thing about the Ozarks is that there really isn't a normal temperature, just an average of extremes they like to tout as normal 8) It could have just as easily been 75 this weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 06, 2018, 05:11:54 PM

Going off this post (and your post over at Toilet Paper Residue)...
The redirection of the road near TT is setting up long term plans.  Things are not done being changed in that area.  You mentioned your curiosity on why such drastic changes for “little gain” - the issue here is you are only judging by what you can see.  The park is slowly building (and rebuilding) their infrastructure.  The older structures featured utilities that were in need of expensive upgrades.  While sentimental attachment to the old is understandable, it’s not cost effective in the long run.  These new structures are better equipped to handle the needs of today and I predict that all future ride additions will come with a new “land” and not just the ride as the entire park is upgraded systematically.  This really started with the RiverBlast area and has continued ever since.

Oh I get it. I've speculated before about them having very long term plans to basically rebuild the park just from an engineering and logistics standpoint. I'm just saying we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with expectations just yet. Replacing Lost River is already an ambitious project. The other things in the area are probably also in a longer term plan, but I'm going to wait and see what gets closed off next year before I get too dismayed about things being torn down. Sometimes things get scaled back, and sometimes we overestimate the extent of things based on rumors anyway.

The difference this time is we have concrete confirmation from shops that they are not coming back or they are being moved for next season.  Ribhouse, Dockside Theater, White River, and Rube Dugans are all being torn down and that area will be rebuilt for 2019.  Toy Store, Magic Shop and Food Court sounds like they’ll survive for now but will probably be gone late 2019 and redone for 2020. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sprtbuf on November 07, 2018, 08:22:19 AM
For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved?   Thx
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 07, 2018, 08:43:40 AM
Here's a map.  You can see the Lost River at the top center, and the body of water next to it is Lake Silver.  Riverfront is the walkway alongside both, on the south end of them.  That is the one area that is agreed is going to undergo a major change.
The BBQ place is at the south corner of Lost River.  Dugan's Trading post is the one little complex of buildings by the "bridge" across the water (actually Lost River's queue).  Those are also strong contendors.
The three buildings on the other side of that walkway are the theaters that are being talked about.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 07, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved?   Thx

Red X’s are things going away.  Yellow star is rumored location of new entrance to new river ride.  Purple lines are rumored new path of the walkway. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sprtbuf on November 08, 2018, 08:06:55 AM
Here's a map.  You can see the Lost River at the top center, and the body of water next to it is Lake Silver.  Riverfront is the walkway alongside both, on the south end of them.  That is the one area that is agreed is going to undergo a major change.
The BBQ place is at the south corner of Lost River.  Dugan's Trading post is the one little complex of buildings by the "bridge" across the water (actually Lost River's queue).  Those are also strong contendors.
The three buildings on the other side of that walkway are the theaters that are being talked about.
Hope that helps.

Thank you very much
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sprtbuf on November 08, 2018, 08:07:31 AM
For those of us who visit some but not nearly enough to visually know the areas being discussed, can a map be posted marking the areas going away and/or being moved?   Thx

Red X’s are things going away.  Yellow star is rumored location of new entrance to new river ride.  Purple lines are rumored new path of the walkway.

Thank you very much
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: CapnMatter on November 11, 2018, 11:19:12 AM
I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!

Also on the topic of the train ride, couldn't they rebuild the Davenport with a larger boiler to fix the traction and lack of steam problems they had with it back when it was running? If they need another train, I'd love to see them run a US built loco, and they do have the Davenport.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 11, 2018, 12:37:58 PM
I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!

Also on the topic of the train ride, couldn't they rebuild the Davenport with a larger boiler to fix the traction and lack of steam problems they had with it back when it was running? If they need another train, I'd love to see them run a US built loco, and they do have the Davenport.

Another "new" engine will be coming online next season.  They won't run another Davenport on the line.  These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: CapnMatter on November 11, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
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Another "new" engine will be coming online next season.  They won't run another Davenport on the line.  These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.
I forgot about the other new engine! 5 running engines when they can only run two at a time seems a bit odd. The other new engine isn't documented on www.steamlocomotive.com
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 11, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 11, 2018, 04:45:56 PM
I'm sure this has been said by someone before, but maybe #504 is a sign they are gonna expand the train in the next couple years? Expand it in a way that they can run 3 trains at once, with one back up engine. I hope they keep the train robbery show, if they do change it up!


Yea, I dont see an expanded train route...  the current route is really pretty long, tours most of the city,  lots of cruising in the woods,  room for a train robbery,  cruise back into town behind the lake,  which of course will look all new and different in 2020. 

No the current route will suffice for many years..
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: CapnMatter on November 11, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
The only issue I can think of with the current route is that they're limited to 2 trains at a time with the current route, and even then they have to stop when they're doing the Christmas show. If they're gonna have 5 trains in running order, why not expand it into the woods just enough that they could run 3 trains?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: KBCraig on November 11, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
Another "new" engine will be coming online next season.  They won't run another Davenport on the line.  These bigger boys don't have any problem making the loop -- and no I don't ever see them expanding the current loop.

Parking lot shuttle.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: CapnMatter on November 11, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
I really don't see them making a second train ride  ::)

Even though that'd be pretty cool...
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 12, 2018, 07:02:03 AM
The only issue I can think of with the current route is that they're limited to 2 trains at a time with the current route, and even then they have to stop when they're doing the Christmas show. If they're gonna have 5 trains in running order, why not expand it into the woods just enough that they could run 3 trains?

Why not?  ROI.  Return on investment.  They won't gain anything by spending the money to expand the line.  And to run extra engines/ trains increases the operations costs a lot (fuel, staffing, upkeep, etc.) without any increase in revenue.  As much of a fan of the train as I am, it's not a ride that will attract more people to the park or pay at the gates.

The only time it's busy enough to need to run 2 trains is during Christmas. Technically there are a few days during summer where they, if they wanted, could maybe justify running 2, but they won't do it because of those increased costs, and the lines even then aren't that huge.  There's no reason to run 3, expanded line or not, other than the coolness factor, which in this case isn't a good reason.  :-)

Oh, the Davenport will likely never run again.  While it looks pretty, it's not in running condition.  And if it was running, it could only manage to pull one of the new cars, as heavy as they are.  Not an ideal situation.  I like that they have it out where people can see it again, but that's about as good as she's going to get now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 12, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
I think the train is still the star of the park. Lines get ridiculous for it at various times of the year, and I know it sucks for kids when they can't get a ride in due to the huge line. Even just adding another car would be a huge improvement. But I digress, I don't see anything happening with it anytime in the forseeable future now that they have the new engines in place.

In actual 2019/2020 "news", Brad didn't give any real clues about the potential Lost River project at Coaster Christmas, but he did say that 2020 is park's 60th anniversary and that there will be a number of announcements throughout 2019 to get people hyped. He said there will be something to look forward to... There wasn't a Q/A session this time, so no one asked about it.

There are indeed no obvious signs of construction/demolition in the area yet. I didn't ride the trams, so I don't know if they are still mentioning Lost River or not.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 04:07:38 PM
New stage and bigger backstage coming in 2019 to Echo Hollow.  Photos at the late news
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on December 09, 2018, 09:44:32 PM
New stage and bigger backstage coming in 2019 to Echo Hollow.  Photos at the late news

So is the plan to relocate EH that was once discussed not happening anytime soon?
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 09, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
https://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2018/12/echo-hollow-sdc.html

So it appears they enlarging the backstage area which will allow for bigger and better green rooms.  This should definitely help when trying to attract bigger name acts to perform at Echo Hollow in the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 10, 2018, 09:44:57 AM
I am glad to see this.....

they are waaaay overdue for a bigger back stage area.. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2019 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 10, 2018, 10:45:27 AM
Very interesting. So we've gone from assuming that they would move or close EH to them expanding it. Still seems weird to me, but I'm kind of glad they are doing this so they can keep attracting some really big acts.