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Title: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2017, 11:29:19 PM
Thought I would let everyone know that SDC filed trademarks for the following:

Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Christmas in the City

I'm wondering if we will see a change in names from An Old Time Christmas to one of these two in 2018. 
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: shavethewhales on August 04, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Well that would be... lame. Old Time Christmas is perfect. Why bother modernizing it? Do they think the youngin's are turned off by the word "old" now?  ::)

I'd wager these are just extra terms they'll use in conjunction, but you never know these days...
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Coaster on August 04, 2017, 08:52:36 AM
Agreed with Shave. Both those names are just boring and way too generic. Old Time Christmas fits the park perfectly in my opinion.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Gilligan on August 04, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
I agree with Coaster - they are generic and boring.  They really have no meaning.  Old Time Christmas puts an image in your head, and that should be their goal.  I think even youngins get that picture and would want it to remain. 
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 04, 2017, 09:10:40 AM
...At least it's not "Holidays at Silver Dollar City"  ;)  :o   ::)  :P
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: mhguy77 on August 04, 2017, 09:24:55 AM
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..At least it's not "Holidays at Silver Dollar City"  ;)  :o   ::)  :P
I don't think SDC would ever go the route of "Happy Holidays"  but you never know.  It's a corporation now not a family affair.  I am of the strong belief that corporations have no soul and are proud of it.  When "Happy Holidays" comes along my seasons' pass will be retired.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Coaster on August 04, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
SDC posts Bible verses weekly to all their social media accounts. I don't think we have any reason for them to go the 'Happy Holidays' route.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 05, 2017, 01:01:41 AM
I could live with Silver Dollar Christmas
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on August 05, 2017, 08:32:57 AM
Well that would be... lame. Old Time Christmas is perfect. Why bother modernizing it? Do they think the youngin's are turned off by the word "old" now?  ::)

I'd wager these are just extra terms they'll use in conjunction, but you never know these days...

Agreed..  "Old Time Christmas"  is pretty easy to understand at what to expect. ;D
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Preachin_Bill on August 05, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
it would be foolish to lose the old time christmas title. The trademarked names are very bland. My 27 year old wife (at the time) went ooooo when she heard "old time" bedore the first time she went. Its what made it easy for me to talk her into going.
Im going to make an assumption, and it could be totally false, but I know the powers that be read this board from time to time. Like I said might be false now and this whole trademark might have nothing to do with a re naming, probably doesnt. Also I could be false in what im about to assume about some of the current PTB.
But I believe there is someone on the higher up, or maybe a few, who would like to get away from the old time themeing or don't think its that important, or would rather go with a cookie cutter approach to it. I believe this is a mistake or would be for a few reasons. The classic themeing has two effects on people. Either they:
1. Love it. For people like me its part of why I choose sdc and pass numerous closer parks to get there. For a lot of SDC faithful, its part of what keeps us coming back.
2. Or they are indifferent. It doesnt matter to them, might find some elements cool, but they wanna ride the new coaster. They might come back they might not. As long as there is stuff to do.
NO ONE hates it. As long as there is ac in the summer, heat and lights in the winter, people do not hate the old themeing.
I think its foolish for one to assume that more people would come if you dropped the old time, or if you got away from classic theme of sdc, or that it doesnt matter. Quite the opposite actually. I also think its very foolish to think millenials or the next generation dont care about or dont like the old time 1880s theme of the park. I think a lot DO like it, especially millenials like me with kids. Just because we have iphones doesnt mean we dont like some good 1880s ozarks hillbilly theme. Its what sets sdc apart and gets people coming back.
Now i think sdc is doin a good job had a good trip this year. Im just throwing this out there in case these felings exist within the PTB now or do at any time in the future.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: kbosch1 on August 16, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
Some information about 2017 Christmas additions in today's Live Stream at the 48:00 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/Fwn6VfSVQC4
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on August 17, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
Looking forward to seeing Midtown this year.. The lights and New Facades will be great along with the new displays.
   
I did find it humorous the way Brad described the new Christmas Tree on Midtown...
 
"90 feet tall from the top of the tree to the street"...
   
Of course "we" know the tree will be sitting on the platform where the old treehouse was which is probably 30 - 40  feet off the street already... ;D

Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 17, 2017, 08:56:23 AM
Looking forward to seeing Midtown this year.. The lights and New Facades will be great along with the new displays.
   
I did find it humorous the way Brad described the new Christmas Tree on Midtown...
 
"90 feet tall from the top of the tree to the street"...
   
Of course "we" know the tree will be sitting on the platform where the old treehouse was which is probably 30 - 40  feet off the street already... ;D

Yes! I got a good laugh out of that too.  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on August 17, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Looking forward to seeing Midtown this year.. The lights and New Facades will be great along with the new displays.
   
I did find it humorous the way Brad described the new Christmas Tree on Midtown...
 
"90 feet tall from the top of the tree to the street"...
   
Of course "we" know the tree will be sitting on the platform where the old treehouse was which is probably 30 - 40  feet off the street already... ;D

He said it would be on a platform about 30 feet in the air and then went on to say that it would be 90 feet from the star to the street.  FTR - the platform will be decorated as a large gift so technically it would count as part of the tree
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on August 17, 2017, 12:49:35 PM

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He said it would be on a platform about 30 feet in the air and then went on to say that it would be 90 feet from the star to the street.  FTR - the platform will be decorated as a large gift so technically it would count as part of the tree
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I missed him saying it would be on a platform..... I thought I was listening close.... LOL..  guess not ::)
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: mhguy77 on August 17, 2017, 03:58:06 PM

I am thinking that you will be able to see that tree from almost the entire park.  I would easily say 70%.
You may not from FL, PK, GE but you may see it more than you think with it being lite and the foliage being gone.
Nor the square but it has a tree already.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: History Buff on August 17, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
This will sure help disperse the crowd.  Will Midtown also have a music/light show?  Isn't that how it was displayed at Disney?
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: mhguy77 on August 17, 2017, 08:43:04 PM
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Will Midtown also have a music/light show?  Isn't that how it was displayed at Disney?
I think there will be something maybe in between the big show with the tree ( needs updating).
Last time I was there they had good sized speakers all over mid town already installed ready to go.  Now I wonder how this will be used to make money or will it just be another attraction.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on August 17, 2017, 09:55:42 PM
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Will Midtown also have a music/light show?  Isn't that how it was displayed at Disney?
I think there will be something maybe in between the big show with the tree ( needs updating).
Last time I was there they had good sized speakers all over mid town already installed ready to go so.  Now I wonder how this will be used to make money or will it just be another attraction.

Marketing.  They have a HUGE campaign coming down the pipes.  Expect a flood of commercials.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: mhguy77 on August 18, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
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Marketing.  They have a HUGE campaign coming down the pipes.  Expect a flood of commercials.

I look forward to the additions.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: History Buff on August 18, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
More than anything, it will spread out the crowd.  Lots of people have stories about the misery of the elbow-to-elbow experience of OTC.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sirwillow on September 16, 2017, 05:11:02 PM
 a lot of the Christmas at Midtown set pieces are up now.  I took some photos today, which you can see at
https://www.facebook.com/sirwillow/posts/10155767713240984

it actually looks like it's going to be pretty neat.  I wasnt' sure how it was going to work with the narrow walkways there, but I think it's going to end up pretty nice, with a more intimate feel and not being totally overwhelming like I was afraid of.  But still plenty of lights to make for a very, very neat experience.

Also I had a chance to talk to one of the guys in charge of this a few days ago (at a funeral of all things).  These are NOT the pieces that used to be at Walt Disney World.  They have built everything here from scratch- the frames, attaching the lights, wiring, everything.  He said that while there might be a few pieces that will look similar, all of it is original to SDC, and has not come from Florida.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 16, 2017, 08:37:20 PM
"few"

So pretty much everything except the fašades then?
I will say this for being "original to SDC" ... nope not buying it because I've heard otherwise
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sirwillow on September 16, 2017, 09:02:25 PM
"few"

So pretty much everything except the fašades then?
I will say this for being "original to SDC" ... nope not buying it because I've heard otherwise

Few as in Saturday and I've been busy since then and it's a low priority.  But I also talked to a couple of my friends who work in M&C today as well.  You can not buy it if you want (not that it was for sale) but since these are the guys that actually built the stuff, all of the stuff, themselves, I'm inclined to believe them.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 16, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
Ok.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: History Buff on September 16, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Some of the features are exactly the same - not just similar.  Too many coincidental similarities for them just to copy them outright.  I would think that if they were building their own things, that the globe, the banner, the tree, and others would be original designs.

The facades would have to fit specific building measurements, however, so I could understand that part being manufactured in house.  They're going to really immerse the crowd in that area when they are lit up.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 16, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
"few"

So pretty much everything except the fašades then?
I will say this for being "original to SDC" ... nope not buying it because I've heard otherwise

Few as in Saturday and I've been busy since then and it's a low priority.  But I also talked to a couple of my friends who work in M&C today as well.  You can not buy it if you want (not that it was for sale) but since these are the guys that actually built the stuff, all of the stuff, themselves, I'm inclined to believe them.

Perhaps we just misunderstood what you wrote.  M&C did have to retire and restrain all of the set pieces that came from WDW.  That's what you meant, correct?  If so, forgive my earlier post.

Now if you are saying the large set pieces (globe, Santa/sleigh, angels, tree) were built by M&C from ground up then no that is not correct as they were literally shipped up here from Florida
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Gilligan on September 17, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
I gotta say, the framing is ugly.  Does it detract from landscaping and decorations for the Fall festival?
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 17, 2017, 10:03:02 PM
I gotta say, the framing is ugly.  Does it detract from landscaping and decorations for the Fall festival?

Only if you're in Midtown and are really looking for it.  I mean it's obvious it's there but you don't have to look.
The only reason to be in that area anyway is cinnamon bread
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: mhguy77 on September 18, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
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The only reason to be in that area anyway is cinnamon bread

That's a problem unto itself.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 18, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
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The only reason to be in that area anyway is cinnamon bread

That's a problem unto itself.

I agree.  It never makes it to the car.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: kbosch1 on September 18, 2017, 11:25:47 AM
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The only reason to be in that area anyway is cinnamon bread

That's a problem unto itself.

I agree.  It never makes it to the car.

With our family, we're good to make it out of the store with it still in tact.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on September 19, 2017, 09:46:26 AM

The only reason to be in that area anyway is cinnamon bread
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Hmm?  I kinda like them apple turnovers too ;D
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Swoosh on September 19, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
^Can you be more careful when you quote?  You have a bad habit of deleting part of the code
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on September 20, 2017, 11:28:06 AM
^Can you be more careful when you quote?  You have a bad habit of deleting part of the code

Maybe..?   ???

I will watch that..

But typically I try to only copy and quote the part of the statement I am responding too.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: shavethewhales on September 21, 2017, 08:10:56 PM
If you are cutting down a quote, remember that there is an opening [ quote ] tag and a closing [ /quote ] tag (no spaces between the brackets). 


Is October too early to start playing Christmas music? I'm ready for it.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Gilligan on September 22, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
If you are cutting down a quote, remember that there is an opening [ quote ] tag and a closing [ /quote ] tag (no spaces between the brackets). 


Is October too early to start playing Christmas music? I'm ready for it.

Yup, I think it's a little early!  ;D   I was at the City yesterday, and while there wasn't any Christmas music, the lights were on in several areas as workers were stapling them to structures.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sirwillow on September 22, 2017, 01:24:04 PM
Yup, I think it's a little early!  ;D   I was at the City yesterday, and while there wasn't any Christmas music, the lights were on in several areas as workers were stapling them to structures.

It's never to early to play Christmas music!  lol

they've actually been putting the lights on since the end of July.  If they don't start that early, they'll never get them done in time.  it's a huge project that has a dedicated crew of guys that are actually on it year round.  In January they start taking all of the lights down which takes a while as well, then in the off season it's a process of checking every light string and bulb, rotating the strings of lights so that older strings are pulled out of service, newer ones are reused, and brand new strings are brought in, and a lot of other work.

Add to that the huge amount of welding that they had added onto their workload this year to build all of the new props, flats, and structures for the Christmas in midtown, and it's a huge amount of work.

BTW, the new globe  could be spotted in the Red Gold parking lot near it's entrance today.  Similar to the one at Disney, but most certainly smaller by several feet.  (I got to see the Osborne lights- mounted and in pieces backstage- on a frequent basis when I worked at Disney) Talked to another one of the guys who helps to oversee a lot of that and he adamantly confirmed that while it was inspired by Disney, and some of it will look similar, ALL of it (flats, globe, angels, supports, and other props) was built in house.  They did use some photos of the Osborne lights at Disney as inspiration and models, but none of it came from Florida.  the only ones I've heard say that any of this came from Florida all have "mysterious sources" or aren't sure, but that is not what any of the guys who actually work on it, supervise it, or have overseen it have said.  And I've talked to several of them now.

Edit in:  I am aware of a truck of smaller props that came in, though the people that I've talked to about it weren't sure what was on it other than it wasn't anything large and may have included some angels.  But not sure where it came from.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: Gilligan on September 23, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
I've seen crews out installing lights over the summer, but first time I saw them being installed while they were lit.
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sirwillow on October 11, 2017, 02:23:27 PM
Finally get to put some of the rumors to rest, thanks to SandDuneRider's incredible pictures that she posted today. 

I've borrowed a few of them and put them in a gallery alongside several that I took of the Osborne Lights when I used to work down at Disney.  Going back and forth you can see the similarities, but you can also clearly see the differences in the pieces as well.  If you'd like to see them along with my notes in the captions, you can.  They're posted at:
https://sirwillow.smugmug.com/Amusement-Parks-Roller/Walt-Disney-World-Disney-MGM/Osborne-lights-vs-Silver-Dollar-Citys/i-Dc5j2JR

And thank you so much to SandDuneRider for letting me borrow a few of her great photos to do this.  :-)
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: DollarCityBoy on October 11, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
Wow! Thanks for the side-by-side comparison. I even grew up in West Little Rock and remember the Osborne Family Lights on their private residence long before Jennings Osborne gave them to Disney. I just assumed it was them, but after the side-by-side, its obvious they were 'inspired.'
Title: Re: Christmas at Silver Dollar City
Post by: sanddunerider on October 11, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
@ sirwillow..  Your welcome,