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Title: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 12:24:35 PM
A coaster is coming.  A "first of its kind" and we know it is being designed by a German designer.  That should be enough to get everyone's minds spinning with ideas.  This will be a fun 2 years of speculation and project watching.   

Make sure you post your personal updates from the project here in this thread. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 17, 2016, 02:45:53 PM
Is B&M from Germany because I know it will be a B&M, just like I said in my trip review.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 03:13:29 PM
No. B&M is from Switzerland (and it won't be a B&M)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 17, 2016, 04:14:29 PM
I'm thinking Mack
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 17, 2016, 05:01:44 PM
What will it be? How will it be a first of its kind? Who is the company?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 17, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
^^^^^
Calm down. Patience young padiwan. You won't know these things for quite some time. The speculation is the fun part.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 17, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
^^^^^
Calm down. Patience young padiwan. You won't know these things for quite some time. The speculation is the fun part.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
I'm thinking Mack

That's what I keep hearing.  I guess the PTB fell in love with the company when they went and visited their headquarters last year.

What will it be? How will it be a first of its kind? Who is the company?

Seriously Laroy?  You've been here long enough to know how this works by now.  We don't have all of the details yet and we won't for awhile.  Like Runner said, you're going to have to calm down
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 17, 2016, 10:25:58 PM
Will they announce this year or next year?  It better be something big and awesome if their going to make us wait.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 10:29:03 PM
I don't remember who said it on here but they said later this season

There's a possibility that the new plaza for the coaster could be done for next year with a teaser sign saying coming in 2018, but that's just a rumor with nothing backing it right now
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 17, 2016, 10:30:37 PM
I hope it's a good one.  Someone showed one of their rides, with the splash down, looked extremely boring.  I hope it's a full on coaster, big one, lots of loops, lots of airtime, you know, all that good stuff.  I'm disappointed it will be another 2 years though.  Why such the wait?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 17, 2016, 11:04:17 PM
I don't remember who said it on here but they said later this season

There's a possibility that the new plaza for the coaster could be done for next year with a teaser sign saying coming in 2018, but that's just a rumor with nothing backing it right now

Announcement in August. I bet it will be vague though. Fine with me though cause it will make all this speculation even better.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 17, 2016, 11:17:12 PM
I don't know why speculation is such a good thing, tell us what it's going to be some we can talk about it to death.  Pointless, to me, to talk about something vague that may not be even close to what it actually is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 11:28:09 PM
The issue is - they want to be vague so people do not put off their trip for a year because of the new ride.  There's going to be plenty of buzz with the ride though. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 18, 2016, 06:52:58 AM
You cant tell us more of what you know?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 18, 2016, 09:08:21 AM
Well while I LOVE Mack I am concerned this will be a launched spinning coaster. That's a worlds first people! I guess i'll reserve judgement till I actually ride it but I would much rather not get something the spins. Hard to say though we can't really know until they announce. I think they are mistaken about what kind of draw something like that will be. Well see though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 18, 2016, 09:39:28 AM
I found 4 coaster manufacturers from Germany. Mack Rides has already been mentioned many times. Gerstlauer, Maurer AG, and Zierer are the others. If it is true that this will be a coaster made by a German company, it should be from 1 of these companies unless there is another out there that most dont know about.

Whoever said they think this might be a spinning coaster: you are right. It very well could be. All of these companies have made many spinning coasters. Thats the 1 big thing I see that they all have in common. It looks like they have made more spinning coasters than any other. 2 or 3 have made Bobsleds. I hope it will be Gerstlauer because I hope we can get a Euro fighter like Mystery Mine.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 18, 2016, 10:01:23 AM
Trust me you want Mack!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2016, 10:37:20 AM
It's a Mack. 

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/beautiful-easter-egg-icon-18386_zpsmeudsvgv.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 18, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
I am still kinda meh about the whole spinning coaster fad. I feel its a gimmick and nothing more. I just hope this don't wind up being a repeat of Buzzsaw as it too was marketed as a first of its kind coaster. Hopefully if they are set on a spinner they will do like how TNT was with optional seating with its two backwards cars and only have some of the cars that spin like what the concept video showed.

I could go for this though. http://www.mack-rides.com/en/products/coasters/mega-coaster/c-mc-picture-gallery/index.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 18, 2016, 12:27:07 PM
If it is some type of Spinner it depends on which Axis it spins on. A x axis spin Like the tea cup style coasters would not interest me at all. But, A Y Axis would be a different story.( Hope I did not get that mixed up)  But, sounds like a entirely new beast so who knows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Y axis = teacup spinner
X axis = 4D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Backwards TNT on June 18, 2016, 01:59:35 PM
Joel Manby must have also loved Mack Rides...  Cobra's Curse is a Mack spinner that just opened at Busch Gardens Tampa for 2016.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hatfield McCoy on June 18, 2016, 03:55:04 PM
Joel Manby must have also loved Mack Rides...  Cobra's Curse is a Mack spinner that just opened at Busch Gardens Tampa for 2016.

That pic of Cobra's Curse has a structure in the middle a lot like the old "Waterboggin".
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 18, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
OMG. You just might be on to something there, Hatfield McCoy!

Personally, I'd love to see us get one of those X-axis/4D coasters. I've never had the opportunity of riding one before!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 18, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
OMG. You just might be on to something there, Hatfield McCoy!

Personally, I'd love to see us get one of those X-axis/4D coasters. I've never had the opportunity of riding one before!

Elevator lift.

In the may conversations of ideas that's been pointed out the existing tower iwould work for vertical lift hills like those on eurofighters and others as as well.

I should point out Hansa ark in Germany has a coaster that has a vertical lift that also functions as a drop tower, but it's a newer take on a Gerstlauer Eurofighters

Here's a quick lights on video of the drop tower coaster lift

http://youtu.be/AiBmPoHCyoQ
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 18, 2016, 05:25:39 PM
OMG. You just might be on to something there, Hatfield McCoy!

Personally, I'd love to see us get one of those X-axis/4D coasters. I've never had the opportunity of riding one before!

Same here Joy.

Is Riverblast the only ride that Mack has built in SDC so far?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: joshblakebran on June 18, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hollwood on June 18, 2016, 10:11:43 PM
It's a Mack.

looks more like a Peterbilt...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 18, 2016, 10:19:17 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

I don't like spinny flat rides either, though I can ride them.  I don't know that a spinning coaster feels the same, though,  The spin is usually not constant and not even really fast.  Of course, we still don't know what this one will do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 18, 2016, 11:04:33 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

The more I think about it, the more I think a "traditional" spinning coaster with extreme elements would be hard to market to SDC's demographics. I could see a smaller park trying to do something like that, but whatever this is will still have to be somewhat broadly appealing. Could still spin like a 4D coaster though. I don't have any guesses left at the moment, but I will be watching this year's IAAPA VERY closely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 18, 2016, 11:08:08 PM
It could be a tilt-a-whirl on a coaster track for all we know.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 19, 2016, 04:52:45 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

I'm right there with you on things that spin but like Swoosh said hopefully this one won't be that extreme and we can ride it.  I had to give up Wildfire as well because of the continuous loops and cobra rolls.  it's fun getting old  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2016, 06:50:02 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

I'm right there with you on things that spin but like Swoosh said hopefully this one won't be that extreme and we can ride it.  I had to give up Wildfire as well because of the continuous loops and cobra rolls.  it's fun getting old  :o

I don't remember saying it won't be extreme.  It'll actually be the exact opposite.  This thing is rumored to be a record breaker. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 19, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

The more I think about it, the more I think a "traditional" spinning coaster with extreme elements would be hard to market to SDC's demographics. I could see a smaller park trying to do something like that, but whatever this is will still have to be somewhat broadly appealing. Could still spin like a 4D coaster though. I don't have any guesses left at the moment, but I will be watching this year's IAAPA VERY closely.

This is why I am hoping it will have optional seating like how ThuNderaTion was for all those years. This way it would be extreme but more broadly appealing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 19, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
I hope we get a GCI soon. I want them to make a coaster for SDC as awesome as Wildcat was. Ever since my first ride on it, I fell in love with GCI coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2016, 10:05:20 PM
I hope we get a GCI soon. I want them to make a coaster for SDC as awesome as Wildcat was. Ever since my first ride on it, I fell in love with GCI coasters.

Pretty positive that ship has sailed
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 20, 2016, 12:44:19 AM
https://youtu.be/tEOMTzhxu0o

A traveling "drifting" coaster.  It's only to give you the swinging side to side action like what you find on  SDMTat WDW.

BTW, if you have larger legs you would hate the SDMT trians' narrow  leg opening for the lap bars. It's super tight because they want really little.kids to be able to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 20, 2016, 08:11:08 AM
It's a Mack.

looks more like a Peterbilt...

lol!!!!!

To the powers that be if you're reading.....please no spinner.....or at least have an option to not spin!!!!! 

Mack Rides look amazing:) 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on June 20, 2016, 12:34:47 PM
I know this sounds weird, but with my motion sickness I would not be able to ride a spinning coaster. Right now I can do all the rides at Silver Dollar City except for the tea cups, swings, electro spin, (a lot of the kiddie rides in Grand Expo) etc. anything that spins like they do. If this new attraction is a spinning coaster I'm afraid I won't be able to do it. I go from being excited about the new attraction to not. Hopefully it will be something I can ride.

I'm right there with you on things that spin but like Swoosh said hopefully this one won't be that extreme and we can ride it.  I had to give up Wildfire as well because of the continuous loops and cobra rolls.  it's fun getting old  :o

I don't remember saying it won't be extreme.  It'll actually be the exact opposite.  This thing is rumored to be a record breaker.

I'm beginning to think you're hinting very strongly at a Mack 4D Hyper. Am I anywhere close to the right track?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 20, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
I sure hope it's nothing like the rides that has been shown on here.  Boring.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 03:41:16 PM
How many inversions do you think it'll have?  I'm guessing at least 7
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 20, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
I hope we get a GCI soon. I want them to make a coaster for SDC as awesome as Wildcat was. Ever since my first ride on it, I fell in love with GCI coasters.

Pretty positive that ship has sailed

That's quite unfortunate being a huge fan of GCI myself. I had always hoped SDC would get their version of Thunderhead. Are HFEC and GCI not on good terms after Wildcat got left to rot?

How many inversions do you think it'll have?  I'm guessing at least 7

If this is supposed to be an attention getter that steps on the toes of other parks in North America I'm betting 10 or 12.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 20, 2016, 05:12:22 PM
I hope we get a GCI soon. I want them to make a coaster for SDC as awesome as Wildcat was. Ever since my first ride on it, I fell in love with GCI coasters.

Pretty positive that ship has sailed

That's quite unfortunate being a huge fan of GCI myself. I had always hoped SDC would get their version of Thunderhead. Are HFEC and GCI not on good terms after Wildcat got left to rot?

How many inversions do you think it'll have?  I'm guessing at least 7

If this is supposed to be an attention getter that steps on the toes of other parks in North America I'm betting 10 or 12.

I don't see why GCI would care that Wildcat was left to rot. HFEC paid for it, and GCI has other coasters. I also want a GCI, but I agree with the parks decision to not build two wooden roller coasters in a row.

So this will go upside down? Making 3 out of 6 major coasters at SDC having inversions? Most parks don't have inversions on 50% of their coasters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
7 inversions is what I heard over memorial day
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 20, 2016, 05:54:58 PM
I heard 37.5 inversions.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 20, 2016, 05:55:51 PM
I'm right there with you on things that spin but like Swoosh said hopefully this one won't be that extreme and we can ride it.  I had to give up Wildfire as well because of the continuous loops and cobra rolls.  it's fun getting old  :o
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I don't remember saying it won't be extreme.  It'll actually be the exact opposite.  This thing is rumored to be a record breaker.
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Not saying the coaster won't be extreme but i was thinking you said it wouldn't constantly spin.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 20, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
^^Agreed. I remember asking earlier if all seats will face forward or not, as in the direction all cars are going on the track. If you are confused by the question, look at Wildfire. Swoosh responded saying All cars will face forward the entire time.

Now swoosh says it will be a 4D coaster???? Whats going on here???
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 06:13:21 PM
Not saying the coaster won't be extreme but i was thinking you said it wouldn't constantly spin.

Nope.  This thing is going to be crazy.  Maybe you were thinking of the Cobra's Curse discussion. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 20, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
<sigh> Leaves me out...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Not saying the coaster won't be extreme but i was thinking you said it wouldn't constantly spin.

Nope.  This thing is going to be crazy.  Maybe you were thinking of the Cobra's Curse discussion.

I can't wait till we start getting teasers :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 20, 2016, 07:45:51 PM
No I was talking about this coaster then and I am now. Im staying on topic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Smh
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on June 20, 2016, 08:29:38 PM
Smh

Yup
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 20, 2016, 09:25:25 PM
Smh

Yup
I'm lost here. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 09:37:25 PM
Smh

Yup
I'm lost here. lol
Is he arguing with himself?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 09:39:07 PM
Smh

Yup
I'm lost here. lol
Is he arguing with himself?
Lmao I think so
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
When I saw his post I was like  ??? dafuq
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 10:04:01 PM
When I saw his post I was like  ??? dafuq
Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 20, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
All right guys and gals...let's get back on topic here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 23, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
So something happened in the SDC Facebook group I'm involved with. They just made a post basically stating that any future attraction/speculation/ideas are to no longer be discussed no matter how vague it may be and violations could result in a banning. This is coming from someone claiming to be a park employee. So either they are about to make an announcement or there was a leak somewhere along the lines. Some members have apparently already received some cease and desist notices. Very odd to see such a crackdown on user content being posted regarding this subject.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 23, 2016, 09:07:25 PM
That group is mainly for city employees, and they know they can get into big trouble for having loose lips on the internet.

The park has been coming down harder and harder on it over the years. Plenty of people have gotten into trouble for posting on this board and for posts made by others that could be traced back to them. That's one reason we don't get too many current employees through here anymore. I used to be much stricter about the "speculation" threads to help keep down the drama, but at this point it's just like any other park has to deal with.

It's still against the rules to outright spill the beans, but "speculation" is fair game.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 24, 2016, 11:31:12 AM
Can I ask what group that is?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on June 24, 2016, 11:36:24 AM
I think it's called "You Know You're From Silver Dollar City If..."
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 24, 2016, 03:26:20 PM
It's a Mack. 

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/beautiful-easter-egg-icon-18386_zpsmeudsvgv.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 24, 2016, 03:28:07 PM
It's a Mack. 

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/beautiful-easter-egg-icon-18386_zpsmeudsvgv.png)

Recorded.  Good job
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: zsc100 on June 24, 2016, 05:46:42 PM
What FB group are you talking about here?  Is it an open group, I'd love to see this post?

So something happened in the SDC Facebook group I'm involved with. They just made a post basically stating that any future attraction/speculation/ideas are to no longer be discussed no matter how vague it may be and violations could result in a banning. This is coming from someone claiming to be a park employee. So either they are about to make an announcement or there was a leak somewhere along the lines. Some members have apparently already received some cease and desist notices. Very odd to see such a crackdown on user content being posted regarding this subject.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 24, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
What FB group are you talking about here?  Is it an open group, I'd love to see this post?

So something happened in the SDC Facebook group I'm involved with. They just made a post basically stating that any future attraction/speculation/ideas are to no longer be discussed no matter how vague it may be and violations could result in a banning. This is coming from someone claiming to be a park employee. So either they are about to make an announcement or there was a leak somewhere along the lines. Some members have apparently already received some cease and desist notices. Very odd to see such a crackdown on user content being posted regarding this subject.

 ;)

I think it's called "You Know You're From Silver Dollar City If..."
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 24, 2016, 07:44:24 PM
A lot of the posts have already been cleaned up or removed including the one that confirmed the coaster debuting in 2018. It also looks like my construction marker images were also taken down from what I can tell.

There was this statement that was also added.
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After many hours of contemplation, I have come to the conclusion that future park improvements are not to be talked about on this page until they have been revealed to the public by Silver Dollar City. Thank you for your cooperation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 24, 2016, 09:50:02 PM
A lot of the posts have already been cleaned up or removed including the one that confirmed the coaster debuting in 2018. It also looks like my construction marker images were also taken down from what I can tell.

There was this statement that was also added.
Quote
After many hours of contemplation, I have come to the conclusion that future park improvements are not to be talked about on this page until they have been revealed to the public by Silver Dollar City. Thank you for your cooperation.

Interesting that no one has said anything to us..... People will figure things out if they want to know anyway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 25, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2016, 01:33:55 AM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 26, 2016, 04:59:41 AM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Well, if you know what it is, you might have to be the one to tell us, 'cause I've done a search through Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, as well as checking TPR's SDC thread, and I'm seeing no mentions of what happened.

So... what's up?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 26, 2016, 08:36:54 AM
I'll be there investigating next weekend.  Swoosh you have me wanting to be there now lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 26, 2016, 10:07:31 AM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Well, if you know what it is, you might have to be the one to tell us, 'cause I've done a search through Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, as well as checking TPR's SDC thread, and I'm seeing no mentions of what happened.

So... what's up?

Considering the only time the SDC thread gets updated on TPR with legit info is when someone from here posts it, that's not a surprise. 

Seems like the only real info comes from this group regardless of the media platform. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 26, 2016, 10:21:41 AM
I hadn't paid that much attention, but yeah, you're totally right. LOL

Can't wait to hear from someone about what's going on!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 26, 2016, 04:27:12 PM
Can you not say what has happened at the park swoosh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 26, 2016, 05:47:38 PM
Can you not say what has happened at the park swoosh?

Swoosh usually doesn't just come right out and say something, he either hints at it until someone else says it or just posts pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 26, 2016, 09:02:49 PM
I see the news about RMC having issues with the new LR at Dollywood and the Wildfire ride at the Europe park.  Recall on trains safety parts....sounds like SDC almost had to close OR.  But I'm guessing that wasn't the 'big' news.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 27, 2016, 12:03:13 AM
I guess I will take a few more rides on TNT to scout the construction area and poke my head around the back lot fences later on next week for clues. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on June 27, 2016, 10:40:37 PM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Was there Friday morning and most of the rides were shut down -- thought it was due to the thunderstorms and rain but even after the storm moved through and the rain ceased, most still weren't running. There was some flooding by one of the rides back in the GE. There were lots of unhappy people about the ride situation from all of the comments I heard around the park and on the trams. Options for things to do were somewhat limited since the Opera House is dark for this festival and the Cajun Connection had the day off Friday.

So what happened?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 27, 2016, 11:08:48 PM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Was there Friday morning and most of the rides were shut down -- thought it was due to the thunderstorms and rain but even after the storm moved through and the rain ceased, most still weren't running. There was some flooding by one of the rides back in the GE. There were lots of unhappy people about the ride situation from all of the comments I heard around the park and on the trams. Options for things to do were somewhat limited since the Opera House is dark for this festival and the Cajun Connection had the day off Friday.

So what happened?

So the Glovetrotters in RGHH, Peter Gossamer in RFPH, Saloon, Sons of Silver Dollar at BW, and more wasn't enough when it was raining?

The park operates on a 5 mile (might be more) radius where there cannot be any lightning strikes for a certain period of time.  Just because the storm may have "passed" if there is a strike in the halo area then the rides remain closed.  Most parks do this. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 27, 2016, 11:55:50 PM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Was there Friday morning and most of the rides were shut down -- thought it was due to the thunderstorms and rain but even after the storm moved through and the rain ceased, most still weren't running. There was some flooding by one of the rides back in the GE. There were lots of unhappy people about the ride situation from all of the comments I heard around the park and on the trams. Options for things to do were somewhat limited since the Opera House is dark for this festival and the Cajun Connection had the day off Friday.

So what happened?

So the Glovetrotters in RGHH, Peter Gossamer in RFPH, Saloon, Sons of Silver Dollar at BW, and more wasn't enough when it was raining?

The park operates on a 5 mile (might be more) radius where there cannot be any lightning strikes for a certain period of time.  Just because the storm may have "passed" if there is a strike in the halo area then the rides remain closed.  Most parks do this.

I think it's actually 10 miles.  We've been there several times when this is done, and it's way overcautious.  I appreciate the care, but they could easily reopen the rides once the storm gets through, as they know it's not going to circle back.  Evaluate the lightning potential and get back to business.

(Note: I edited this so that your reply wasn't lost inside the quotes - Joy)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on June 28, 2016, 08:24:07 AM
Anyone at the city this weekend for updates?

Considering something major happened this week and it's still not out on the internet yet.. I'd say no.

Was there Friday morning and most of the rides were shut down -- thought it was due to the thunderstorms and rain but even after the storm moved through and the rain ceased, most still weren't running. There was some flooding by one of the rides back in the GE. There were lots of unhappy people about the ride situation from all of the comments I heard around the park and on the trams. Options for things to do were somewhat limited since the Opera House is dark for this festival and the Cajun Connection had the day off Friday.

So what happened?

So the Glovetrotters in RGHH, Peter Gossamer in RFPH, Saloon, Sons of Silver Dollar at BW, and more wasn't enough when it was raining?

The park operates on a 5 mile (might be more) radius where there cannot be any lightning strikes for a certain period of time.  Just because the storm may have "passed" if there is a strike in the halo area then the rides remain closed.  Most parks do this.

Swoosh, the Globetrotters and Peter Gossamer had just 1 show during the morning when it was raining, and those shows fill rain or shine. The band played on at the gazebo but folks didn't want to stand in the rain to listen. The Sons weren't at the BW Friday morning -- just the Championship Cloggers who dance to recorded music -- at BW the venue was packed with folks seeking cover from the rain and waiting for the Cloggers. Was definitely a day when it would have been nice to have additional indoor rides.

But at GE about an hour after the storm passed through, the swings, the cups, and 1 other ride were operating while all of the others were shut down.

We found enough to do. I was just reporting on comments I heard from other people around the park -- some who were visiting for the first time.

Back to the 2018 comments.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on June 29, 2016, 05:17:39 AM
Love to see SDC build a taller swing ride. Like the one at Six Flags Arlington. It be an amazing ride with an amazing view.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 29, 2016, 10:41:29 AM
Are we ever going to know what that major happening was?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2016, 11:27:35 AM
Love to see SDC build a taller swing ride. Like the one at Six Flags Arlington. It be an amazing ride with an amazing view.

It'll never happen
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2016, 02:23:22 PM
Are we ever going to know what that major happening was?

A huge tall fence went up between the ice cream cones stand across from RGHH to the swings.  I'm surprised there's been no mention of it. 

I'm wondering if this will be the new entrance to EH so that the old entrance can go bye bye for the new coaster station and plaza. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 29, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Interesting... Thanks for letting us know! I think your supposition about it seems pretty logical.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 29, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
That is another area that gets tight.....that curved hill around the hill by the swings :-\

That would really make the exit a long way from the entrance after the EH shows....Guess that would make sense if the station take over that real estate at the current EH entrance.

or....could the station go there?  It could be themed as a new GE fair ride? or maybe some type of overview area for the new ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
I would guess that the fence is now about twice as tall as it used to be.  The banners that were on that side are still there, but I think they look a little silly as their frames are still about a foot taller than the top of the fence.

SPECULATION:
I have to think that this is Echo Hollow related.  I agree that putting an entrance there would make another bottle neck that much more congested... BUT it would also keep traffic from piling up there at the junction where the current entrance is. 



Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2016, 04:54:01 PM
All right - I got permission to post the photo I was sent of the new fence.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/SDC/IMG_8784_zpsj2pngxlu.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 29, 2016, 05:07:53 PM
All that for removing the Hi-Striker?  Seems like overkill to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 29, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
All that for removing the Hi-Striker?  Seems like overkill to me.

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

Hi Striker is still there.  Apparently it is there #1 money maker of the games.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on June 29, 2016, 05:32:50 PM
I'll be there Sunday thru Tuesday & I'll be taking all the pics I can from every angle I can.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 30, 2016, 01:06:12 PM
So this fence is blocking the view down into EH and TnT?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 30, 2016, 01:52:36 PM
So this fence is blocking the view down into EH and TnT?

A huge tall fence went up between the ice cream cones stand across from RGHH to the swings.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on June 30, 2016, 02:42:42 PM
Love to see SDC build a taller swing ride. Like the one at Six Flags Arlington. It be an amazing ride with an amazing view.

It'll never happen

Why do you think it will never happen Swoosh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 30, 2016, 02:58:27 PM

SPECULATION:
I have to think that this is Echo Hollow related.  I agree that putting an entrance there would make another bottle neck that much more congested... BUT it would also keep traffic from piling up there at the junction where the current entrance is.

^^^Very True.....that intersection is horrible too.  The cross traffic plus the lines for the potato stand/kettle corn/lemonade stand around there make that 'corner' crazy on busy days.

It's getting to be where basically the whole main loop can get bottlenecked almost anywhere at certain times.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 30, 2016, 08:22:51 PM
Wasn't there talk a while back that GE was to be re-themed and the coaster would be its new centerpiece? Unless that plan got changed I see it being more logical that this would be the Station/Plaza area going up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on June 30, 2016, 10:16:41 PM
Seems funny to have a announcement about a plaza.
I am saying its not a big sell.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 30, 2016, 10:47:04 PM
Wasn't there talk a while back that GE was to be re-themed and the coaster would be its new centerpiece? Unless that plan got changed I see it being more logical that this would be the Station/Plaza area going up.

The retheme got put on the back burner like a lot of great ideas that the park has had. 
It's possible that this could be the station.  I'm not ruling anything out at this point.  I personally don't think it will be as it doesn't fit in with the L shaped layout of the coaster that has been the most consistent of the rumors.  I guess we'll just have to see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 01, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Riverblast has parts in it from Geyser Gulch.

Powder Keg has old track and lift hill from Buss Saw Falls.

Dollywood Thunderhead got its trains from the Celebration City Wildcat.

Will this new coaster have any old or used parts in it from any ride that is still standing or used to be standing, whether it is the track, wood, or cars/trains? Or will this have all new parts and everything?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Wildfire on July 01, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
I got an email about a big announcement on July 4th.  I wonder if it is related to this project
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jrkstl on July 01, 2016, 11:23:26 AM
Got an email today from the park with a link to the following teaser video:

http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Sweepstakes/Red-White-Blue-Getaway (http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/Sweepstakes/Red-White-Blue-Getaway)

Could this be an early announcement for a large new coaster??

Hmmm...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 12:07:47 PM
Interesting... You would think it would be coaster related since Wildfire was featured in the video. Maybe they are still doing it in 2017 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
I wonder why they end the video by just showing all the trees past WF. This is way out there, but what if is is some new resort or moving White Water like most people would want to see?

Hasn't Swoosh said that there are three projects? They could be coaster, new entrance, and whatever this is.

They are probably making this announcement sound like it will be a lot bigger than it actually will be, but they've posted about it twice in Facebook in the last six hours. At least we only have to wait three days to figure out what this is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on July 01, 2016, 12:40:23 PM
Hmmm I get the feeling this is about Summer Fireworks
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 12:55:47 PM
They are probably making this announcement sound like it will be a lot bigger than it actually will be
Hmmm I get the feeling this is about Summer Fireworks

Yep, something like that would definitely fit into the category "bigger than it actually will be" :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 01, 2016, 12:58:42 PM
I am not getting worked up over it being coaster related. lol They usually do those sorts of announcements in late August or September.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 01:02:31 PM
I am not getting worked up over it being coaster related. lol They usually do those sorts of announcements in late August or September.

Yeah, rewatching the video really makes it sound like its a one day fireworks display on July 4 that we can watch online.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
I am not getting worked up over it being coaster related. lol They usually do those sorts of announcements in late August or September.

Yeah, rewatching the video really makes it sound like its a one day fireworks display on July 4 that we can watch online.

I don't think has to do with fireworks. The still image of the video before you play seems to point at how high something will be with the Oooohhhhh expression to boot. Also note the footage of being above the player on Wildfire, about what the height of the basketball on the finger tip still is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2016, 01:22:07 PM
Confirms it.  Firework Factory: the Ride
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 01, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
Nahh... its clearly a Harlem Globetrotters themed spinning coaster. lol :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Confirms it.  Firework Factory: the Ride

But why would they be doing this already?

I didn't notice all the basketball spinning until I just watched the video for about the fifth time after you guys pointed it out. So maybe this is coaster related.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2016, 02:18:27 PM
Don't get your hopes up. I would expect something along the lines of a give-away, fireworks show, or some sort of big promotion that involves the Globetrotters.

I would be very surprised if this has anything to do with a new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
My hopes aren't up yet, it's seems too early in the season to be coaster related. This probably shouldn't even be in the 2018 thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 02:38:26 PM
Who knows the reliability of this, but someone commented on Facebook, "What time?", and the response was, "Just talked to publicity and they said at midnight on the fourth."

If that's true, it probably wouldn't be fireworks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on July 01, 2016, 02:56:11 PM
No way SDC does a live press conference at midnight! Branson is asleep by 9!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 01, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
Really....fireworks....lol....I think you guys are funny.


Here what the website says below the video.....(I'm guessing it's just about the sweepstakes)


Enter now to win a family getaway for 4 to Silver Dollar City Attractions including tickets to Silver Dollar City & White Water, a cruise on the Showboat Branson Belle and 2 nights at Silver Dollar City's The Wilderness!

Prize Package Includes:

4 One-Day Tickets To Silver Dollar City
4 One-Day Tickets To White Water
4 Tickets For A Cruise On The Showboat Branson Belle
2 Nights In A Log Cabin At The Wilderness
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on July 01, 2016, 03:37:21 PM
they run that sweepstakes all the time though. Nothing new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 03:51:50 PM
Really....fireworks....lol....I think you guys are funny.


Here what the website says below the video.....(I'm guessing it's just about the sweepstakes)

Enter now to win a family getaway for 4 to Silver Dollar City Attractions including tickets to Silver Dollar City & White Water, a cruise on the Showboat Branson Belle and 2 nights at Silver Dollar City's The Wilderness!

Prize Package Includes:

4 One-Day Tickets To Silver Dollar City
4 One-Day Tickets To White Water
4 Tickets For A Cruise On The Showboat Branson Belle
2 Nights In A Log Cabin At The Wilderness

But we already know about the sweepstakes, and they usually have a sweepstakes when something big happens.

Above that the website says, "The Harlem Globetrotters are helping us celebrate Independence Day in a big way with a special surprise you'll have to see to believe! Join us on Facebook Monday, July 4th for the big reveal. Trust us...you don't want to miss it!".
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2016, 03:59:08 PM
The same video is on the Globetrotters page.  I tend to think this is nothing more than a Globetrotters-at-SDC announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 04:09:08 PM
The same video is on the Globetrotters page.  I tend to think this is nothing more than a Globetrotters-at-SDC announcement.

That's interesting. What could it be that both SDC and the Globetrotters would be advertising it? It better be truly epic and spectacular like the video says ;D.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2016, 04:13:46 PM
^Trick shot from the pinnacle of Wildfire, bouncing off the treehouse, down the corkscrew, ricocheting off of the wax hand of Meadowlark Lemmon and into the smokestack of one of the new engines as it crosses the bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on July 01, 2016, 04:26:03 PM
I bet they're announcing a globetrotter theater at the park. I expected one was coming Dollywood will get one too
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 04:29:33 PM
^Trick shot from the pinnacle of Wildfire, bouncing off the treehouse, down the corkscrew, ricocheting off of the wax hand of Meadowlark Lemmon and into the smokestack of one of the new engines as it crosses the bridge.

That would be one way to announce changes to the train ride :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2016, 04:42:21 PM
I bet they're announcing a globetrotter theater at the park. I expected one was coming Dollywood will get one too

Now here's a bit of speculation that make sense. I keep wondering what they are planning for the Globetrotters as it seems they have been continually hyping up their brand. A dedicated theatre of some sort would make sense if they are going to keep on being such a large face of HFE. Still seems a little out of place, but as with anything it can be worked into the city if it's done with care.

I don't know if they would really build a new theatre though... seems like they would be more likely to gut another theatre, but only RGH is big enough. They wouldn't want to lose the flexibility of that venue though, so who knows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 01, 2016, 05:03:06 PM
I bet they're announcing a globetrotter theater at the park. I expected one was coming Dollywood will get one too

Now here's a bit of speculation that make sense. I keep wondering what they are planning for the Globetrotters as it seems they have been continually hyping up their brand. A dedicated theatre of some sort would make sense if they are going to keep on being such a large face of HFE. Still seems a little out of place, but as with anything it can be worked into the city if it's done with care.

I don't know if they would really build a new theatre though... seems like they would be more likely to gut another theatre, but only RGH is big enough. They wouldn't want to lose the flexibility of that venue though, so who knows.

Well maybe they would build them a designated theater and they could be there year-round, using some different shows throughout the different festivals. I'm not sure how different they could be though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
We're guessing it's a World Record attempt
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2016, 06:52:51 PM
We're guessing it's a World Record attempt

Looking through the lens of Silver Dollar history and their pattern of operation, that's more reasonable than any of this other stuff. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 01, 2016, 06:59:29 PM
Love to see SDC build a taller swing ride. Like the one at Six Flags Arlington. It be an amazing ride with an amazing view.

It'll never happen


Why do you think it will never happen Swoosh?

I'm thinking because SDC goes to great lengths to hide most of their rides so when you walk into the City you get the illusion you're in an 1880s Ozark Village.  That would be compromised having a set of swings so high you could see them all over the City.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on July 01, 2016, 07:32:20 PM
We're guessing it's a World Record attempt

I was thinking something along those lines when I saw the video
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2016, 08:11:57 AM
Quote
We're guessing it's a World Record attempt
I am betting a basket from the top of Outlaw Run or Wildfire.
Seems to make sense with the video clips and buzzwords they were throwing out there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 02, 2016, 09:33:16 AM
I really hope this will be about Celebration City more than anything else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2016, 09:42:15 AM
I really hope this will be about Celebration City more than anything else.

It's not. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 02, 2016, 09:59:17 AM
Quote
We're guessing it's a World Record attempt
I am betting a basket from the top of Outlaw Run or Wildfire.
Seems to make sense with the video clips and buzzwords they were throwing out there.

But would they want to close a major coaster long enough to do that?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
I don't think the length, I think the height is what's important.
The player was standing on the lift hill of outlaw run spinning his ball and they said "epic" and "world record". (If I am not mistaken).   They own the globetrotters and a broken record is free.  They are getting publicity and they are going to do it inexpensively.  That's my guess anyway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 02, 2016, 12:38:30 PM
^Trick shot from the pinnacle of Wildfire, bouncing off the treehouse, down the corkscrew, ricocheting off of the wax hand of Meadowlark Lemmon and into the smokestack of one of the new engines as it crosses the bridge.

And nothing but net.    :)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on July 02, 2016, 12:49:36 PM
They are using the word Reveal instead of announcement. My guess is it is something that has already been filmed and done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2016, 01:18:36 PM
Didn't the add also say "stream it live"?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 02, 2016, 01:19:23 PM
I don't think the length, I think the height is what's important.
The player was standing on the lift hill of outlaw run spinning his ball and they said "epic" and "world record". (If I am not mistaken).   They own the globetrotters and a broken record is free.  They are getting publicity and they are going to do it inexpensively.  That's my guess anyway.

You might want to check that video again. I think he was on Wildfire. Only Wildfire has purple track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2016, 01:30:44 PM
I don't have the bid with me but I thought they showed both coasters and he was standing on OR.  I could be mistaken.  We will see soon enough.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2016, 02:34:44 PM
I don't think the length, I think the height is what's important.
The player was standing on the lift hill of outlaw run spinning his ball and they said "epic" and "world record". (If I am not mistaken).   They own the globetrotters and a broken record is free.  They are getting publicity and they are going to do it inexpensively.  That's my guess anyway.

You might want to check that video again. I think he was on Wildfire. Only Wildfire has purple track.

Purple?  :o ???  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on July 02, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
I don't think the length, I think the height is what's important.
The player was standing on the lift hill of outlaw run spinning his ball and they said "epic" and "world record". (If I am not mistaken).   They own the globetrotters and a broken record is free.  They are getting publicity and they are going to do it inexpensively.  That's my guess anyway.

You might want to check that video again. I think he was on Wildfire. Only Wildfire has purple track.

Purple?  :o ???  ::)

If it has purple track I am colorblind.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 02, 2016, 04:14:43 PM
What color does it look like to you? It looks dark purple with a bit of a red tint and it also looks a little brown. These days, it seems like it is starting to look a bit rusty though.

Anyways lets get back on topic
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2016, 04:25:30 PM
It has ALWAYS been rusty brown.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on July 02, 2016, 05:10:32 PM
Natural rust to me. Always has been
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 02, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
I don't have the bid with me but I thought they showed both coasters and he was standing on OR.  I could be mistaken.  We will see soon enough.

He was standing on WF.

But another thing that might mean something is the fact that they have posted pictures of the Globetrotters and different locations. They posted a picture of a guy on the Showboat, the video on WF, and today they also posted a picture of a guy standing between the two drop slides at White Water. I'm thinking this could be something involving multiple of their properties in Branson.

I'm also thinking this could be two things based off of what they say on the website, "The Harlem Globetrotters are helping us celebrate Independence Day in a big way with a special surprise you'll have to see to believe! Join us on Facebook Monday, July 4th for the big reveal. Trust us...you don't want to miss it!"

The "special surprise" could be the record breaking shot, maybe. But the "big reveal" could be something else. I don't think they would use the word reveal for a live basketball shot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on July 02, 2016, 07:26:50 PM
I'm guessing they have the biggest basketball giveaway ever!!!!!   Or the most globetrotters ever at different location spinning a ball on their finger at the same time!!!!!

Or....it's just more hype for the sweepstakes
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 02, 2016, 08:24:36 PM
Nahh... its clearly a Harlem Globetrotters themed spinning coaster. lol :)

I'm sticking with my original speculation. That close-up of the spinning basketball tells it right there. Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 02, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
It's amazing how much speculation the announcement of an announcement/event can create. Good thing they did this, our speculation had almost died down before this happened ;D. We won't have that problem for at least another two days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 02, 2016, 09:10:33 PM
Or the most globetrotters ever at different location spinning a ball on their finger at the same time!
Nahh... its clearly a Harlem Globetrotters themed spinning coaster. lol :)

I'm sticking with my original speculation. That close-up of the spinning basketball tells it right there. Lol

They do seem to be stressing the spinning of the basketball in each picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 03, 2016, 04:24:32 PM
World record attempt is the best guess. Just trying to figure out why they would release it at midnight...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 03, 2016, 04:26:08 PM
And once again today, they are posting more new pictures of Globetrotters on top of WF spinning a basketball.

And I wonder why they haven't officially said a time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 03, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
World record attempt is the best guess. Just trying to figure out why they would release it at midnight...

So is it midnight tonight or tomorrow night? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
That midnight time is based on somebody's claim on Facebook.  I think it will happen during operating hours - or is this a Midnight Madness day?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 03, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
They closed at 7:00 today.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on July 04, 2016, 07:03:21 AM
Three amazing trick shots......

http://youtu.be/8lyedZ9EFIs

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on July 04, 2016, 07:16:42 AM
World record attempt is the best guess. Just trying to figure out why they would release it at midnight...

So is it midnight tonight or tomorrow night?

Well That was disappointing. Just a few basketball trick shots.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 04, 2016, 08:00:19 AM
World record attempt is the best guess. Just trying to figure out why they would release it at midnight...

So is it midnight tonight or tomorrow night?

Well That was disappointing. Just a few basketball trick shots.

Weren't even amazing trick shots, if it would've been live they would've been. I could've done that. Just keep shooting until you make it.

But, that was definitely teasing for a spinning coaster, if that is what they finally do get.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 04, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
 ::)

Yep.  That's what I thought.  Just a prerecorded stunt.  Nothing to see hear, and nothing to do with this thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 04, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
::)

Nothing to see hear, and nothing to do with this thread.

Except for the spinning of the basketball in every video and picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on July 04, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
::)

Nothing to see hear, and nothing to do with this thread.

Except for the spinning of the basketball in every video and picture.

That's just a globtrotters signature stunt. It means nothing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 04, 2016, 02:38:28 PM
::)

Nothing to see hear, and nothing to do with this thread.

Except for the spinning of the basketball in every video and picture.

That's just a globtrotters signature stunt. It means nothing.

Is spinning a basketball a "stunt"? ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 04, 2016, 04:16:15 PM
::)

Nothing to see hear, and nothing to do with this thread.

Except for the spinning of the basketball in every video and picture.

That's just a globtrotters signature stunt. It means nothing.

Is spinning a basketball a "stunt"? ;D

Stunt:  an action displaying spectacular skill and daring; something unusual done to attract attention

Yup.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on July 05, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
So did anyone make it out over the 4th to get an update?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on July 05, 2016, 09:58:54 AM
Did anyone notice on FB the description of the video had the Original Harlem Globetrotter BULL BULLard...........?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 05, 2016, 03:19:41 PM
On a side note I randomly made a comment on SDC's FB page about Wildfire still being my long time favorite coaster and how I hope they install more B&M coasters in the near future. I usually never get any kind of interaction from them on such topics like that considering it was just a random comment I made on one of their posts but surprisingly they did like my comment shortly afterward. It could mean nothing or it could mean everything.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 05, 2016, 04:26:59 PM
It sadly looks like they like nearly all comments on their posts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 05, 2016, 07:45:40 PM
Huh, well it seemed to be a first for mine then. Lol Maybe they got a new Admin since I last posted over there.

I would wonder though if B&M will jump on  the spinner bandwagon and make a variant of their wing coasters with spinning cars to step on the toes of S&S Arrow's 4D coaster lineup.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 06, 2016, 12:41:07 AM
Here is a photo update from the 4th of July 2016
Nothing new was happening but at least I have some different angles to compare to what we've seen so far

What can be see from TNT

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1936.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1936.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1935.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1935.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_2153.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_2153.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_2155.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_2155.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_2154.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_2154.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1939.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1939.jpg.html)

What can be seen from Hi Striker (looks like a clearing for a service road?) No markers to be seen on this side.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1956.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1956.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1951.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1951.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1959.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1959.jpg.html)

Over the top of the fence
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1965.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1965.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1960.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1960.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1958.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1958.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1953.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1953.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1954.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1954.jpg.html)

Not much else was happening because of the holiday. As I was leaving today more back hoes & contractor trucks could be seen near (The new service road?) I wasn't able to stop & get any pics of that.





Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on July 06, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
Good pics, Good eyes.!  lots of little stuff going on now,  the new "service" road is getting lots of attention and traffic....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on July 06, 2016, 06:52:24 PM
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 06, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
So absolutely nothing has happened behind the fence.   That road and cement blocks have been there for awhile
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 06, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
Yeah the only thing I could visually see was that the contractor trucks & a small green back hoe & the large yellow back hoe had showed back up at the entrance of the new service road on Indian point after the 4th I left around 6pm on the 5th.
I did notice the Job site trailer from TNT lift hill & the construction of the new wall on one of the turns of TNT but most of us eagle eyes have already seen that. I did walk down near the WOW exit to look off into the woods but the was nothing worth noting.
Everything if anything is taking place over by TNT right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: givemezamor on July 06, 2016, 11:42:28 PM
Will be in town on Sunday and Monday. Looking forward to seeing what's going on with the holiday in the rear view.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 06, 2016, 11:56:53 PM
Thanks for the update psychosaw13. Looks like the major visible progress has certainly slowed quite a bit. I'll probably hold off on making a trip until the end of this month or August. I have a feeling things will start really moving again in August.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 07, 2016, 05:50:14 PM
You guys are welcome, I just to contribute in any way I can. I'll probably make a return trip in the middle of August & then again in November.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 07, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
Here is one I forgot to add in my original post. This is right next to the track of TNT

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/IMG_1938.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/IMG_1938.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on July 08, 2016, 12:47:49 PM
Yes, thanks for the photos psychosaw13!

So, the crew that is working on The Runaway expect to be on-site at SDC by September so that's when we can look for the beginning of more major construction. We should have some sort of announcement by then too so that will be fun. Also, I'd bet a big chunk of change that this thing will have a 200 foot drop.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 09, 2016, 01:47:04 AM
It will be interesting to see how this comes together soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 09, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
Here's an image that popped up recently and is being passed around enthusiast circles:

It's another new concept from Mack that includes a vertical drop. It's basically an answer to B&M dive machines. That survey is starting to make more sense now...

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 09, 2016, 12:07:16 PM
^ Wow!  That's looks wild!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 09, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
Looks perfect.

Reminds me of Jackrabbit the way it goes up, turn, and down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 09, 2016, 06:45:05 PM
Only two 4 across cars? I hope not. They really don't need another low capacity ride right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on July 09, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Here's an image that popped up recently and is being passed around enthusiast circles:

It's another new concept from Mack that includes a vertical drop. It's basically an answer to B&M dive machines. That survey is starting to make more sense now...


Nice! Shave, do you happen to know what the height of the drop is in that concept? Around 200?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 10, 2016, 12:24:57 AM
This might be another example of what to possibly expect. Just watched this on TPR's FB page. It's a Mack coaster as well.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154378645993566&id=194340658565
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 10, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
Quote
This might be another example of what to possibly expect. Just watched this on TPR's FB page. It's a Mack coaster as well.

This hurts my neck just watching. Reminds me of the coasters they used to have at Celebration City, short little curves and small neck straining dips.
I hope they keep this new ride a family ride, SDC has done a good job with the coasters so far.  I prefer the long sweeping movements of PowderKeg to the short snappy turns of a coaster like this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on July 10, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
^ I second that
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: U Smell Smoke on July 10, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
I'll third that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on July 10, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
I want a thrilling ride like outlaw run that will make the wait worth it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 10, 2016, 03:11:39 PM
Quote
This might be another example of what to possibly expect. Just watched this on TPR's FB page. It's a Mack coaster as well.

This hurts my neck just watching. Reminds me of the coasters they used to have at Celebration City, short little curves and small neck straining dips.
I hope they keep this new ride a family ride, SDC has done a good job with the coasters so far.  I prefer the long sweeping movements of PowderKeg to the short snappy turns of a coaster like this.

I wouldn't compare it to the Jack Rabbit at CC. That was a cheap miller ride which was little more than a portable fair ground ride. This is a multi-million dollar attraction. It'll obviously be forceful, but shouldn't be a neck snapper like the cheap little mouse coasters.

It's basically an answer to the market served by S&S's El Loco, B&M's dive machine, and Gerstauler's Euro-fighters. All of these are awesome ride types. I'd expect SDC's version to be larger and more drawn out - maybe with a couple themed sections inside a building? I can dream...

Capacity on these 8-person cars isn't always ideal, but with proper operations they can actually move as fast as regular long-train coasters. Proper operations is key though...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 10, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote
This might be another example of what to possibly expect. Just watched this on TPR's FB page. It's a Mack coaster as well.

This hurts my neck just watching. Reminds me of the coasters they used to have at Celebration City, short little curves and small neck straining dips.
I hope they keep this new ride a family ride, SDC has done a good job with the coasters so far.  I prefer the long sweeping movements of PowderKeg to the short snappy turns of a coaster like this.

I love PK, but I also like the quick changes in direction. Maverick at CP is one of my favorite rides and it features very quick changes in directions and "snappy" turns.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on July 10, 2016, 05:56:33 PM
I want our version of Taron!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on July 12, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
I know this is off topic but wasn't sure where to ask the question. I'm going to Dolly Wood for a week and was wondering if anyone has any tips or advice before I go. Ill be getting the "Timesavers" pass. Not sure how that works. Thanks in advance!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 12, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
^Well, we have a whole sub-forum for Dollywood discussion in the 'Other Parks' section, so maybe move that question there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 12, 2016, 10:58:30 PM
Back on topic, recently saw TPR reshare another spinning coaster video on FB. This is Dinoconda in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAAKz6xTyFY
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on July 13, 2016, 12:29:55 AM
I've always wanted to ride one of those! I'd be SO down with SDC getting something like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on July 13, 2016, 12:30:04 AM
^Well, we have a whole sub-forum for Dollywood discussion in the 'Other Parks' section, so maybe move that question there.

gee thanks.....didnt know that i had to go search a forum from 2012 for answers.....sorry i asked
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 13, 2016, 01:22:11 AM
^Well, we have a whole sub-forum for Dollywood discussion in the 'Other Parks' section, so maybe move that question there.

gee thanks.....didnt know that i had to go search a forum from 2012 for answers.....sorry i asked

I'll be honest.  I've visited DW 3 times this year and have never needed the Timesaver. 
If you really need answers I suggest visiting Themeparkreview.com and ask in their specific Dollywood thread as you'll probably get more of the answers you want.  This site is more SDC specific.  I think you can probably count on one hand how many of the posters here have been to DW this season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on July 13, 2016, 05:51:06 AM
^Well, we have a whole sub-forum for Dollywood discussion in the 'Other Parks' section, so maybe move that question there.

gee thanks.....didnt know that i had to go search a forum from 2012 for answers.....sorry i asked

I'll be honest.  I've visited DW 3 times this year and have never needed the Timesaver. 
If you really need answers I suggest visiting Themeparkreview.com and ask in their specific Dollywood thread as you'll probably get more of the answers you want.  This site is more SDC specific.  I think you can probably count on one hand how many of the posters here have been to DW this season.

Thanks Swoosh.....Im staying at the Dollywood dream more resort so the timesaver is included with the package but thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on July 17, 2016, 06:54:52 PM
I wish SDC would hurry up and make some sort of announcement about the project coming up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on July 17, 2016, 07:15:30 PM
I wish SDC would hurry up and make some sort of announcement about the project coming up.

Oh, but then we wouldn't be able to speculate ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 22, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
The crickets are deafening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 22, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
There's not much to say until construction actually gets rolling, which apparently should be soon. I keep meaning to get down there again and get another update, but I have some other priorities and it sounds like not much has moved yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 23, 2016, 10:28:10 AM
Drove by yesterday afternoon when it was slow and was able to stop at the new service area.
Swoosh wasn't kidding about the trees, they have cleared a bunch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on July 23, 2016, 10:17:32 PM
Thats kinda worrisome, while I know the Grand Expo broke the theme and the whole "not seeing the park from the outside" charm, this sounds like the changes are much more radical. I wonder if the "two trees planted for every one removed" rule is still being enforced.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on July 23, 2016, 10:24:55 PM
Thunderstorm broke that rule long before the expo was in place. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on July 24, 2016, 03:08:35 AM
^Meh, you could catch a glimpse of the road if you looked at just the right time and a car was driving past, but it really wasn't until they started putting the truly big rides in that the "rule" got away from them. Buzzsaw Falls was necessarily tall, though there wasn't as much built up around the area at the time.

But the "rule" had more to do with when you are walking around the park than being on rides anyway. It goes back to the overall effort to do more than the basics to craft a very special theme and atmosphere that you can't get anywhere else. I don't think there are any real issues with this though. Being able to catch a glimpse outside the park isn't the worst thing in the world. If there was a motel 6 smack up against the park then it might be an issue.

And in any case, you can through all the old "rules" from Miss Mary out the window anyway. That ship has sailed - they aren't trying to be that park anymore. At this point I just look for the ways they still go above and beyond and try to be happy about it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on July 24, 2016, 03:17:38 PM
Still, it would be nice to make an effort.  There are too many parking lots that have now been exposed; even the train, which was always a trip through the forest, has a blatant view of parking lots.  A simple hedge or fence would at least limit the visibility.

At the same time, there is probably a need for an access road where this one is being placed.  The convenience of a road on that side of the City will alleviate any need for a vehicle having to come into the park proper.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on July 24, 2016, 04:26:10 PM
Quote
At the same time, there is probably a need for an access road where this one is being placed.  The convenience of a road on that side of the City will alleviate any need for a vehicle having to come into the park proper.
They actually have good access in this area by road now.  Check on Google Earth.  Look at a winter view and you can see the access points easier.  Some dirt roads as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on July 24, 2016, 04:35:13 PM
This new road is a direct shot to EH.  It was installed so bigger names can be brought in to use EH.  This new road will allow bigger equipment rigs (that the bigger names use) to come and park backstage.  The old access road wasn't big or wide enough and featured curves that the bigger vehicles had issues navigating.  EH is going to become a lot bigger of an influence on the park starting next season.  Major upgrades are coming on line this offseason.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on July 29, 2016, 05:49:10 AM
Has there been any word on when they are going to announce what's going on yet?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on July 29, 2016, 06:05:38 AM
Didn't see or hear any date. Might start seeing hint signs soon.

On Tuesday and Wednesday I saw now 3 different cleared areas along the fast left hill turn on TNT, where the coaster might go. I heard more employees say the line will go where the fence is and the kiddie rides will be moved. I also heard 1 employee say Riverfront Playhouse will be torn down soon because it is starting to get old and rot, maybe Flooded Mine too. She agreed AP needs a complete overhaul and Fith needs to be rebuilt because the building is getting bad, needs new technology, and animatronics. I was looking for more flags as I went down to EH when the usher opened the chain at 6:18. Still the same flags, but the biggest sign of construction was behind EH. There is a huge clearing you can see from the top of the stairs. I think it is the service road and it goes in a loop, so the area along Indian Point has 1 enter and 1 exit road in 1 place. I looked for more signs near the GE stroller parking and noticed I could see TNT from there since there has been so many trees cleared.

Besides what I heard about the trains, 1 said we would be riding some kind of lift from here to Branson as another form of transportation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on July 29, 2016, 04:30:45 PM
With all the clearing and moving around of things, it seems like it's going to be a pretty big project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on July 31, 2016, 06:33:43 PM
I was there Saturday and rode TNT several times to see what I could see. I did see a pretty big clearing with the start of some sort of wall or platform or something made out of blocks.  Was not that tall yet, probably just started it.  I watched a show in the Riverfront playhouse this weekend, which was the first time I had ever been in there which is crazy for as long as we have been going.  I would be disappointed to see it torn down as well as FM.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 02, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
So with the arrival of August and the completion of the mountain coaster, we should see some real movement here soon.

I'm thinking I might be able to zoom over there for a quick day trip next week to get some fresh photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 05, 2016, 01:54:55 AM
Okay so I went to the City yesterday evening for MM. Rode ThuNderaTion 3 times to scope out the construction area. In several areas there is now green spray paint markings in and around the Coaster/Column stakes. Nearly the entire hillside opposite to TNT at the bottom loop around is scalped and totally cleared of trees and vegetation, it can be really off putting the first time you see it when you are used to "flying thru the woods" in that section. The hillside leading up the the helix just as you reach the lift hill is also scalped. Several 10-20 foot retaining walls have also been constructed with several more construction marker stakes littering all along the hillsides. Obviously since they are doing a good job keeping the construction hidden from the park as I was unable to get pictures since the only way to clearly see the construction was while being on the coaster. They have really cleared a substantial amount of real estate down there for this. I wouldn't be surprised if footers started popping up in the next couple months as it seems like they have reached that point for it to be the next logical step.

Oh and OR was closed all day and evening and both PK and TNT for a short period. I am assuming TNT was shut down for the final two hours due to the fireworks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 05, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
Have we discussed this mack coaster in Xi'an.
Would this qualify as a record breaking loop in the States?

https://youtu.be/tp5lXXOiccw

What's neat about this is I may ride it  one day. Xi'an is home to the Terracotta Army. It is one of the must do's for my Asian trip I've got penciled in for 2020 or 2021.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 05, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
Yeah I'm definitely going to have to make a quick trip down there next week to get an update of some sort. Sounds like things are rolling along now. Thanks for the update sdcfan88. Sounds about like what I expected as far as tree clearing. I'm sure there will be a lot more, but if they bring out the theming to make up for it, it could be worth it. Hopefully TNT will get some love as well.

^lol, yeah we've discussed it. That's still my dream pick, but it doesn't seem unique enough to be what they'd pick for this project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 05, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
I was hoping the park might be close in announcing something even if the opening isn't until 2018.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 06, 2016, 12:41:18 AM
Off topic but WOF is announcing at 11am on Aug 18th what is new for 2017
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 06, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
^ <Sigh>



Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on August 09, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
I was hoping the park might be close in announcing something even if the opening isn't until 2018.

It's coming sooner rather than later, Duelist. The question is...how much will we actually find out in the announcement? I'm sure it will be a little here and a little there over the coming months rather than letting everything out of the bag all at once. Or it may be of the scale that they have to go ahead and do a full announcement in Sept. Can't wait for the next few weeks...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2016, 07:27:11 PM
Well folks, this is definitely going to a teacup spinner.  I am not sure if anyone on the board will get the survey but there is one going around right now that has three possible themes for the coaster and EVERY SINGLE CONCEPT has a teacup spinner coaster cart.  Now from what I am hearing, it will be a train of 4 cars that seat 4 people each (2 back to back).  There will be some massive drops on this ride as all 3 concepts show a large hill.  I'll see if I can get access to the concepts and post them here later tonight. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2016, 08:26:53 PM
Here are the concepts

(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/1_1461.jpg)

(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/2_1353.jpg)

(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/3_1335.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 09, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Thanks Swoosh.  Was hoping the rodeo one would include the Buffalo Bill concept but they seem to have dropped that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 09, 2016, 09:05:08 PM
Well while it was still not what I was hoping for, but if we have to choose, I think the Mining Theme (#2) will be the best one to execute and theme. Hopefully the spinning of the cars can be controlled so this does not wind up being a puke machine.

I just hope this is done better than the various Tony Hawk Spinners. AKA Pandemonium clones at various SF parks.

#1 seems kinda neat but it would need to be tweaked a lot on the styling and execution that is presented here. I would love to see a return of Doc. Harris since they seemed to have eliminated him from the park in recent years.

#3 needs to stay over by Wilsons Farm and seems far too generic for my taste.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 09, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
I'm trying really hard not to be disappointed......but that is my initial reaction:(

Is this the Mack ride that was rumored?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2016, 09:12:34 PM
I've been mentally prepping myself for the spinner since the rumors began. Concept 2 definitely fits the best with the SDC theme. I wouldn't hate concept 1 as much if it was re-themed to something like time traveling to the future to what 1880's SDC citizens picture the future to be or traveling to the recent past (pre 1880s) of the Ozarks. But traveling to ancient Rome? Doesn't seem to fit at SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2016, 10:17:01 PM
Pretty sure that these will be like Cobra's Curse more than Spinning Dragons. 

Regarding the "Time Travel" coaster.  By the concept write up, it sounds like the person is a con artist that is trying to sell you the time machine and not an actual going back in time.

So IMHO, the Mine and the Time Machine are fine with me.  I do not want the Rodeo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
I will be very surprised if the 2018 project is a spinner. Not that it means anything. I hope this is for some other concept because I've already got my hopes up for 2018.

But a spinner coaster of this scale could be fun. I'm curious what the focus group reactions are, because a lot of gp are wary of spinners.

As for the themes, #1 is too generic on purpose so its probably a red herring. #2 is too standard for SDC, but its a safe theme to fall back on if everyone hates #1, which is the one they really want to use. The final product wont be what they mention here. The roman thing just signals that they want to break out of the SDC theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 09, 2016, 10:24:40 PM
Well folks, this is definitely going to a teacup spinner.  I am not sure if anyone on the board will get the survey but there is one going around right now that has three possible themes for the coaster and EVERY SINGLE CONCEPT has a teacup spinner coaster cart.  Now from what I am hearing, it will be a train of 4 cars that seat 4 people each (2 back to back).  There will be some massive drops on this ride as all 3 concepts show a large hill.  I'll see if I can get access to the concepts and post them here later tonight.

#2 is fo' sho  a Mack. The other two seem more Gerstlauer like. The new Mack spinner at Busch Gardens  is a single car set up but all face the same way. #2  drop looks like the drop of that indoor encolosed spinner in China.
(http://www.coasterfriends.de/forum/attachments/weltweite-news-asien-und-mehr/365164d1434576290-2015-neuheit-7-kingdoms-mountain-pavillion-neuer-park-shaoxing-china-shaox7.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 09, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
This survey is a couple of months old.  A friend of mine was telling me about it.

Even so, it doesn't seem like a survey going around now would be for the next project.  I could be wrong, of course.

The location of the current activity fits with the Silver Mine, though, so all others are pretty moot in my opinion.  The bull ride would have to go with Wilson's Farm.

I'm looking for some really awesome theming with the entrances to FM, TNT, and the new silver mine ride, which if you think about it does not have a name, even though the other two do - unless you can read it better than I.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on August 09, 2016, 10:52:18 PM
Pretty sure that these will be like Cobra's Curse more than Spinning Dragons. 

Regarding the "Time Travel" coaster.  By the concept write up, it sounds like the person is a con artist that is trying to sell you the time machine and not an actual going back in time.

So IMHO, the Mine and the Time Machine are fine with me.  I do not want the Rodeo.

But, that really doesn't fit with the theme of recent park additions at all. OR and FL are themed around honoring the first responders in our country, being the police and firefighters. Why would they build an attraction that blatantly brings attention to a con artist? I don't know, just seems really odd. Re-theme it to something like Doc Harris creating this and I'm more on board.

I will be very surprised if the 2018 project is a spinner. Not that it means anything. I hope this is for some other concept because I've already got my hopes up for 2018.

But a spinner coaster of this scale could be fun. I'm curious what the focus group reactions are, because a lot of gp are wary of spinners.

As for the themes, #1 is too generic on purpose so its probably a red herring. #2 is too standard for SDC, but its a safe theme to fall back on if everyone hates #1, which is the one they really want to use. The final product wont be what they mention here. The roman thing just signals that they want to break out of the SDC theme.

If you are correct in your thinking then I hope the GP tells them that the 1880's theme is working just fine, thank you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on August 10, 2016, 06:24:38 AM
I just got the survey last night. Going to go with # 2 although I am less than thrilled about a spinning anything. Hopefully there will be a comment section.

Update: Just took the survey. It asked me several specific questions about the cowboy theme. After that it was well if you don' like this one which of the other 2 do you like. No specific questions at all about theme 1 and 2. Looks like they are trying to lead you to a conclusion to me. I did not bite and stuck to theme # 2.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 10, 2016, 08:26:19 AM
Cowboy spinner????   Just barf....   Maybe ok if they find a place for it back by OR but I'd be so disappointed if this is the 2018 project. Sounds like the questionairre is testing the cowboy themes acceptance.  I personally think it's not needed but I get why they are looking to expand with it.

If it is 2018 and the construction posts are correct....id think it would have to be #2 to match the area.

#1 could be a real fun theme....wimsical themes do work at SDC.  I'm not quick to toss it out.

I still like to see a jailbreak like story from FM

Remember when we talking about hypers and wing coasters.....aghhh:(
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 10, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
I find it interesting that each photo says "plunge" on it in some way by the drop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 10, 2016, 10:56:42 AM
Yeah concept #2 would be best suited for a very large B&M dive coaster. But it is what it is I guess.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 10, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
A few important points to mention that jumped out at me. First, concept #2 makes no specific reference to anything spinning at all, nor does the concept art indicate so. Second, did anyone else not pick up on the one consistent element in each of the concept renderings? The same tower is shown in all three. Anyone else think it bears any resemblance to the old WB tower that's been sitting curiously unused for years now?

Lastly, there's no mention of wording suggesting a record-breaking, first of its kind, or an overly intense ride experience.

All things considered, I could just as easily see this being our version of Firechaser Express. And there's still room to add this as a family-centric anchor to FL. Not to mention, if part of the long term plan is to raze FM, it could provide more real estate near there to utilize for the circuit, or a heavily themed entrance/queue/exit area.

Just saying. Anything is still possible and I don't put an ounce of stock into any guarantees that a spinner of some sort is a forgone conclusion. It may seem trendy at the moment, but the PTB have to know how risky it would be to add an attraction with such a limited demographic appeal. And the bigger they would make it, the risk increases along with it. 

There's inherent risk associated with anything they change, or add. However, I just cannot see them investing 10's of millions of dollars on something like this. They've seen first hand the value in bringing something like OR to the park. A record-breaking attraction that's thoughtfully planned and executed to the point of moving the SDC brand needle well outside of a 250 mile radius.

It's my hope that they've taken that learning to heart and are in the midst of applying it for their next major attraction.

I can't imagine them testing the focus group waters now with possible ride and concept art that's already slated to be added to the park in the next 6-18 months – let alone an attraction they've already broken ground for. The timing just doesn't make sense for 2017 or '18. But that's just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2016, 01:28:10 PM
A few important points to mention that jumped out at me. First, concept #2 makes no specific reference to anything spinning at all, nor does the concept art indicate so. Second, did anyone else not pick up on the one consistent element in each of the concept renderings? The same tower is shown in all three. Anyone else think it bears any resemblance to the old WB tower that's been sitting curiously unused for years now?

Lastly, there's no mention of wording suggesting a record-breaking, first of its kind, or an overly intense ride experience.

All things considered, I could just as easily see this being our version of Firechaser Express. And there's still room to add this as a family-centric anchor to FL. Not to mention, if part of the long term plan is to raze FM, it could provide more real estate near there to utilize for the circuit, or a heavily themed entrance/queue/exit area.

Just saying. Anything is still possible and I don't put an ounce of stock into any guarantees that a spinner of some sort is a forgone conclusion. It may seem trendy at the moment, but the PTB have to know how risky it would be to add an attraction with such a limited demographic appeal. And the bigger they would make it, the risk increases along with it. 

There's inherent risk associated with anything they change, or add. However, I just cannot see them investing 10's of millions of dollars on something like this. They've seen first hand the value in bringing something like OR to the park. A record-breaking attraction that's thoughtfully planned and executed to the point of moving the SDC brand needle well outside of a 250 mile radius.

It's my hope that they've taken that learning to heart and are in the midst of applying it for their next major attraction.

I can't imagine them testing the focus group waters now with ride and concept art that's slated to be added to the park in the next 6-18 months. The timing just doesn't make sense for 2017 or '18 for that matter. But that's just my humble opinion.

The train looks a lot like a Mack Spinner Train , roundish. I think they wanting to see if folks comment on lime #2 the best and see if they mention  making it spin. One concept had Launched in as well. Given the rumors on cost a typical themed up Mack doesn't add up but a launched Blue Fire type coaster with spinning cars would
https://youtu.be/BfL4tzTuBzc
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 10, 2016, 01:47:04 PM
God I hope not. I love coasters, but I cannot think of anything more unpleasant than a ride so disorienting it makes me feel like my dirty laundry being spun and tossed about. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 10, 2016, 03:00:25 PM
A heavily themed (#2 option) "Blue Fire"-like Mack coaster that has the hybrid trains with both traditional floorless seats and a 'spinning' train....would be epic!!!!  With the ride elements design.....that could cause me to sign up for a 5 year pass....lol  That really could be a special ride that they could market as being a 'first of its kind' here in the US. 

I'd also be happy with a non-spinning Firechaser Express type of ride with either option 1 or 2.  If it's not a mega-type of thrill ride I'd like it to be as family friendly as possible.

Full disclosure - I've never rode an actual spinning coaster ride - but my experiences with spinning flat rides tell me I'm not going to be wanting to ride it more than once a visit.  One spinning ride a visit always seems to be enough for me this days.  When I had to do multiple spinning rides with the littles ones around GE....I started to not like them as much.....I'm glad they are tall enough to go by themselves now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
A heavily themed (#2 option) "Blue Fire"-like Mack coaster that has the hybrid trains with both traditional floorless seats and a 'spinning' train....would be epic!!!!  With the ride elements design.....that could cause me to sign up for a 5 year pass....lol  That really could be a special ride that they could market as being a 'first of its kind' here in the US. 

I'd also be happy with a non-spinning Firechaser Express type of ride with either option 1 or 2.  If it's not a mega-type of thrill ride I'd like it to be as family friendly as possible.

Full disclosure - I've never rode an actual spinning coaster ride - but my experiences with spinning flat rides tell me I'm not going to be wanting to ride it more than once a visit.  One spinning ride a visit always seems to be enough for me this days.  When I had to do multiple spinning rides with the littles ones around GE....I started to not like them as much.....I'm glad they are tall enough to go by themselves now.

the video is proof it can be done two stationary , two spinning  and call it day, though I like the China Hyper with the super loop. Maybe. Spinning train and a statonary train thought that would really complicate the queue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on August 10, 2016, 06:46:29 PM
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the video is proof it can be done two stationary , two spinning  and call it day
This will cause me to buy another pass, strictly spinning is not for me.  I have been on them and even the one at Disney is not that fun.  The spinning takes away from the predictability of the rides moves and although that may appeal to some I prefer to "feel" the elements instead of be disoriented and frankly that's all the spinning does.   There already are tea cups, no need to put then on a track with wheels  hills and curves,  just leave them where they are and call it good, move on to something new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 10, 2016, 08:08:17 PM
^Very much agreed. I think SDC is better than that to go on with this spinning teacup coaster fad. They got the Teacups and Electrospin which both serve their purpose as a railed or moving spinning ride. They only have 4 major coasters and it would be a waste to add this silly gimmick to their 5th. At least exclusively. Plus they will be limiting their demographic for this ride as it is common knowledge that people prefer a traditional coaster over a coaster with moving seats. They better go the Blue Fire route with the hybrid train if they were wise about designing and marketing this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
Plus they will be limiting their demographic for this ride as it is common knowledge that people prefer a traditional coaster over a coaster with moving seats.

That seems a little hyperbole to me, but I assume you have stats to back that claim up, right?

I wonder if this won't be a Cobra's Curse style coaster where it has a section going forward, backwards and then free spin.  The only thing that goes against that is the back-to-back seats in the concept art but who knows how early in the process they were created.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 11, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
^Very much agreed. I think SDC is better than that to go on with this spinning teacup coaster fad. They got the Teacups and Electrospin which both serve their purpose as a railed or moving spinning ride. They only have 4 major coasters and it would be a waste to add this silly gimmick to their 5th. At least exclusively. Plus they will be limiting their demographic for this ride as it is common knowledge that people prefer a traditional coaster over a coaster with moving seats. They better go the Blue Fire route with the hybrid train if they were wise about designing and marketing this.

If this is suppose to be record breaking and this and that and it's supposed to be a German manufacturer it has to be a Mack in my book. Looking at area cleared, I'm trying to figure out how much is for Echo Hollow and how much is for the ride but looking at it tells my it's more than a run of mill coated like Sierra Sidewinder so that why I think it's a Blue Fire like ride. The posted video on the ginormous looper in China is a classic out and back and that isn't happen here as nothing has happened across the road. Maybe we are in for a two fer, a Mack spinner now and a Mack Hyper in three or 4 years.

As for common knowledge, lots of parks have added spinners recently, small to major, it's called ride diversification. Kids love to spin  while parents moan about it online.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on August 11, 2016, 09:26:02 AM
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Kids love to spin  while parents moan about it online

Most of SDC season is while school is in session.  So this may not work to drive
attendance when the kiddies are busy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 11, 2016, 09:48:24 AM
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Kids love to spin  while parents moan about it online

Most of SDC season is while school is in session.  So this may not work to drive
attendance when the kiddies are busy.

And the folks going while school is in session aren't major coaster riders period. The bread and butter that keeps the gates open are families with  whippersnappers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 11, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
Keep in mind that the park isn't crazy: they know what people will probably like and what is marketable. If this ride is indeed a "spinner", I have a feeling it won't really be comparable to the true spinning coasters you see at Six Flags and WOF. If it has the huge drop and who knows what else, it will probably be controlled or slow spinning. I'm sure it will be fun. SDC is usually pretty careful with their coasters despite pushing the limits.

No sign of how it will truly impact the area inside the park yet though, which is what I will really worry about. It'll probably be an improvement though, probably.

Here's my latest update from what I could get yesterday: http://sdcfans.com/clearing-continues-on-apparent-new-coaster-project/ (http://sdcfans.com/clearing-continues-on-apparent-new-coaster-project/)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 12, 2016, 02:34:04 AM
So I decided to do some additional research into Mack Rides and stumbled upon their Facebook page.
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/10835351_10152887684668493_2967334572734520382_o.jpg)

Check out that cover photo, makes me wonder. That would definitely be something different to warrant national attention if they did some kind of variant of this. Wished there was a description as to where and what coaster this is.

EDIT: (video in link)

Found it! The level of theming with this ride is very well done. And it does have optional spinning which would serve as a better multi-demographic pleaser. While the entry apparently classifies it is a "powered coaster" who says they couldn't be able to modify one to be a traditional inverted coaster? It would definitely be a first I believe. On a side note, SDC should have Mack refurb FITH and FM with that level of sophistication with the dark ride elements seen here.
http://www.mack-rides.com/en/products/coasters/inverted-powered-coaster/video/index.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on August 12, 2016, 03:06:39 AM
That looks to be the Arthur and the Invisibles ride. I've watched on-ride videos of that one before, and it's AMAZING. I would be SO down with SDC getting one of those!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on August 12, 2016, 08:24:37 AM
Theme number 2 seems to be the only acceptable option IMO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 12, 2016, 08:56:58 AM
So I decided to do some additional research into Mack Rides and stumbled upon their Facebook page.
(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/10835351_10152887684668493_2967334572734520382_o.jpg)

Check out that cover photo, makes me wonder. That would definitely be something different to warrant national attention if they did some kind of variant of this. Wished there was a description as to where and what coaster this is.

EDIT: (video in link)


Found it! The level of theming with this ride is very well done. And it does have optional spinning which would serve as a better multi-demographic pleaser. While the entry apparently classifies it is a "powered coaster" who says they couldn't be able to modify one to be a traditional inverted coaster? It would definitely be a first I believe. On a side note, SDC should have Mack refurb FITH and FM with that level of sophistication with the dark ride elements seen here.
http://www.mack-rides.com/en/products/coasters/inverted-powered-coaster/video/index.html

Author appears to be an amazing coaster that I hope to experience in 2018. It's a perfect coaster system for a ride with dark ride elements. I do love how they did the queue area, it's much like the new area at Dumbo at WDW. I have wondered if those could free spin and is the powered part come come and go for tradition gravity segments of track when power is not needed.

I would love to see a long term partnership that would have Mack refurbish American Plunge and Fire in the Hole along with a couple of new coasters. You never hear of issues with Mack rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on August 13, 2016, 07:13:56 PM
1. I like #1. It sounds a bit like WF and a show that used to be on ABC  1 or 2 years ago where they worked on clocks. The clock thing makes it sound just a bit steampunk, but very little. Bring back Doc Harris and market it as his new invention. It may have more theming than it sounds. Never know if you will like it until you try it.

2. I like #2. It sounds like TNT, mixed with either the mining scene from Heading West (my favorite part), or the start of Frozen, but we arent mining ice here. 2 coasters in the same place with a mining theme. That could be nice.

3. As I said before, no to a rodeo theme. It would ruin a spinning coaster more than anything. If it has a rodeo theme and it is as bad as Im thinking, I would probably never buy sdc passes again. I would only buy WW passes.

4. A spinning coaster?  ??? I hope this aint for 2017 or 2018. I was at the town carnival on July 4th and I rode 7 rides once each. I rode the Screamer at the State Fair and it didnt bother me much so I decided to try it. After I got off, I felt like I was going to throw up if I rode 1 more ride, which is the first time I ever felt like that after any ride. So because of that, I have to say no to a spinning coaster, especially if it goes upside down. I have seen videos where some spinning coasters are now doing loops. This looks like the CC Stinger (which I rode 2 times and didnt like much) but on tracks. I say you never know until you try, so I will have to try it no matter what. Spinning coaster is better than no coaster, but anything else would be better.

5. The 1 good thing I know for sure about this coaster would be that it will always have short lines when school is in session. But that would also be a drawback for SDC. It would be like CC all over again and I know they dont want that to happen. In this day and age, you dont have time or money to make mistakes because they could cost you everything.

6. How are you guys getting these surveys? Are you getting them by email? I never got any. How did you sign up for those?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on August 14, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
I'm a few days late in commenting about the new survey but concepts 2 and 3 are pretty much the same concepts presented in the survey I was sent in May.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 17, 2016, 02:49:54 AM
Wild theory here: What if this really is a back to back coaster installation? Here is my reasoning:

1. I don't see a Teacup Spinner and some infrastructure work (even if it has some kind of never before seen gimmick) adding up to the rumored $30-$40 million pricetag here. Even something as well themed as Mystery mine at Dollywood was only $17 million. This has to be for two coasters + infrastructure + theming.
2. The concepts recently presented clearly depicted a tower resembling the old Waterboggan Tower. What if they are using it in the near future and making a small footprint teacup spinner with a steep drop somewhere along the line that will slightly pass behind Firemans Landing and taking a tight twisting route similar to how the Waterboggan slides once did? It would also explain why the park supposedly deleted my photo on FB when I was asking about its future a few months ago.
This leads to #3.
3. The plot of land being totally wiped clean behind Echo Hollow along with the other infrastructure work being done seems to me as being much too large for a Teacup Spinner. And its been stated several times that this ride will in essence "advertise the park". I just don't see them simply marketing the coaster as the worlds tallest and longest Mack Teacup Spinning Coaster here. I am also thinking this coaster and the surveys depicting it is actually for 2018 or beyond. There is a chance we could still be surprised with a 2017 coaster installation with something else that we thought was ruled out.

Also look at the parks history about adding big attractions in spurts:

1999 Buzzsaw Falls
2001 Wildfire
2004 Powderkeg

And when you go back and read this, it all begins to make sense:

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2017 - New Coaster - Rumor - (3/1/16) Remember that plan to add a coaster to Silver Dollar City in 2017 that I told you about? According to rumors sent my way the park pitched a few coaster concepts in a guest survey not long ago, asking guests to choose between what sounds like a Mack Launched Coaster with new style Spinning Cars (which Mack posted a video about back on Nov. 19th, 2015) or a very large B&M Dive Machine with 4 inversions.

Since SDC loves to use it's terrain, I hope it's a dive machine. A terrain dive machine would look ace.

My take on it is that the concepts and theme surveys they sent out are indeed for two coaster attractions that they have already decided on and were simply employed to gauge public reactions/interest with them. Two of the concepts in the latest survey will likely be used/recycled for future attractions. I suspect the park will use the Rodeo Theme (bleh) for the spinner (to appeal to the children/family demographic) and then the Silver Mine Theme for some other coaster. The B&M Dive Machine fits that theme perfectly, but it could also be a first of its kind Mack Dive Coaster too which would be marketed as a game changer/attention getter and would be more suited for the adults/thrill seeker demographic as I am sure the park is already well aware that their attraction lineup leans heavily on the children/family demographic right now.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hollwood on August 17, 2016, 07:35:00 AM
^... But remember... Your price tag came from the person who was hell bent on him being right about a 2017 coaster... Now he is boasting that 2017 is infrastructure work...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 17, 2016, 10:13:18 AM
Dollywood proves that HFE are capable of doing major updates and upgrades yearly....but also is a sign that SDC is not their primary focus.  SDC has to deal with the fact that the Branson tourism market isn't as big of a growth market as PF (in my slightly educated opinion).

I'm not an expert on SDCs attendance but it seems that SDC is already busting at the seams each weekend without the yearly updates (and with price increases).  I don't think SDC 'needs' a new ride to survive or to increase attendance/profit.   I've always been curious about the market research behind the Branson market and the capacity that the park can handle. I also wonder about when SDC will go do a Disney-like demand system pricing (ex...Saturday one day tickets more expensive)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on August 17, 2016, 08:04:30 PM
Well, we've been hinted at to take lots of pictures of the entrance to the park, so I could see how a chunk of that $30-$40mil could be used for completely restructuring the entrance (including possibly a small resort hotel?).
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on August 18, 2016, 08:30:54 AM
Dollywood proves that HFE are capable of doing major updates and upgrades yearly....but also is a sign that SDC is not their primary focus.  SDC has to deal with the fact that the Branson tourism market isn't as big of a growth market as PF (in my slightly educated opinion).

I'm not an expert on SDCs attendance but it seems that SDC is already busting at the seams each weekend without the yearly updates (and with price increases).  I don't think SDC 'needs' a new ride to survive or to increase attendance/profit.   I've always been curious about the market research behind the Branson market and the capacity that the park can handle. I also wonder about when SDC will go do a Disney-like demand system pricing (ex...Saturday one day tickets more expensive)

I think also, you have a higher quality competition for guests at Dollywood than you do at SDC. Dollywood is in close proximity to some really good parks: Six Flags over Georgia and Carowinds. Also, King's Dominion, Busch Gardens, Kentucky Kingdom and Holiday World are not that far away either.

SDC's closest competition is Worlds of Fun which we know ranks way below Carowinds, and Six Flags St. Louis which is also on the lower tier of Six Flag's parks. I bet if either one of those parks started to really develop into destination parks, you would see some impressive growth at SDC (similar to what Dollywood has recently accomplished).

So to build on what you said, SDC doesn't need a new ride to increase attendance/profit and survive. I think SDC could get it's biggest bang if they helped with the parking congestion and the way they handle the crowds at the park. Those are my biggest concerns when I go...if those were eliminated, I bet you would see another huge attendance boost, just because SDC could handle the crowds better which would help with customer satisfaction.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 18, 2016, 04:24:51 PM
Yeap....even if SDC improves and increases the parks parking and entrance capacity....does not mean the rest of the park can handle it....and that is the science of amusement park management.....these are tough decisions that HFE has to make. 

It does seem like SDC is at a point they need to improve the flow in and out of the park before that do bunch of back to back major ride expansions.  Or....they will probably have to start increasing admissions to help limit the crowds on the busiest of days (and still get their ROI on the new rides)

On a happier thought....with schools getting back in session....it's a wonderful time to visit right now with lower crowds...especially during the week.  At least SDC doesn't suffer from year full capacity like the Disney/Universal type parks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on August 19, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
My parents went on Sunday and Monday. They heard from an employee that the project is for 2018 and right now they are putting in a water line back there in the construction area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on August 19, 2016, 09:22:12 AM
On a happier thought....with schools getting back in session....it's a wonderful time to visit right now with lower crowds...especially during the week.  At least SDC doesn't suffer from year full capacity like the Disney/Universal type parks.

Actually, I've read that now until Halloween is a great time to visit those parks as well. Considerably less busy than the summer and Christmas season. I agree that SDC definitely needs to rework the entrance and improve the flow of people. However, I don't think SDC could implement a tiered pricing system like Disney and Universal. I think this is the case because I'm willing to bet a higher percentage of SDC's visitors are season pass holders unlike visitors to those larger parks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 19, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
My parents went on Sunday and Monday. They heard from an employee that the project is for 2018 and right now they are putting in a water line back there in the construction area.

Well the 2018 project probably is for 2018. Please specify which speculated project you're talking about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 19, 2016, 11:01:28 AM
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My take on it is that the concepts and theme surveys they sent out are indeed for two coaster attractions that they have already decided on and were simply employed to gauge public reactions/interest with them. Two of the concepts in the latest survey will likely be used/recycled for future attractions. I suspect the park will use the Rodeo Theme (bleh) for the spinner (to appeal to the children/family demographic) and then the Silver Mine Theme for some other coaster. The B&M Dive Machine fits that theme perfectly, but it could also be a first of its kind Mack Dive Coaster too which would be marketed as a game changer/attention getter and would be more suited for the adults/thrill seeker demographic as I am sure the park is already well aware that their attraction lineup leans heavily on the children/family demographic right now.

Fair speculation, and it's kind of what I'm leaning towards. However, even if they were looking at a B&M dive coaster for the future as indicated in the surveys, that doesn't mean it will happen. They looked so heavily into the mystery mine concept years back but never pulled the trigger at the last second. I still think it's a strong possibility though. I'm just wondering when they'll add a family coaster? That's what the majority of their guests would actually like.

I still don't understand this high-intensity spinner at all. I can imagine ways that it could be fun, but from a marketing and management perspective I feel like it has a good chance of not paying off. If they are going into the big resort route they need solid, high-capacity coasters instead of these gimmicky concepts.

Also, just FYI, Screamscape isn't exactly a cutting edge source for rumors. He usually just reports the basic gist of whatever the popular rumors are. A good service, no less, but he is more and more behind the times with the latest updates.

And also, as I always have to say, take everything posted on this board with a massive grain of salt, no matter who it's from. This is all mostly baseless speculation that we do for fun. It's almost impossible to know what the park is planning, especially when they change their minds so often.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on August 20, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
My parents went on Sunday and Monday. They heard from an employee that the project is for 2018 and right now they are putting in a water line back there in the construction area.

Well the 2018 project probably is for 2018. Please specify which speculated project you're talking about.


Im just pointing out that the coaster definately wont be 2017. What project? I think there is only one 2018 project we know of so far, unless SDC says there will be 2.

Shave, SDC has family coasters:
Fire in the Hole
Thunderation
Grand Expo Coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 20, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
My parents went on Sunday and Monday. They heard from an employee that the project is for 2018 and right now they are putting in a water line back there in the construction area.

Well the 2018 project probably is for 2018. Please specify which speculated project you're talking about.


Im just pointing out that the coaster definately wont be 2017. What project? I think there is only one 2018 project we know of so far, unless SDC says there will be 2.

Shave, SDC has family coasters:
Fire in the Hole
Thunderation
Grand Expo Coaster

You can't say the project is definitely not for 2017 just because a park employee said its for 2018. No one knows what the employees are told. For all we know he/she just got his/her information from one of these site like this one or ThemeParkReview.

I wouldn't consider Grand Exposition Coaster a family coaster. It's not a ride the whole family can enjoy. But, PK could be considered a family coaster because of the lower height restriction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 20, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Also, anyone can put a bucket on his/her head and have someone beat on it with a crowbar.  That's another option, but really it has about the same effect.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2016, 11:58:23 AM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Also, anyone can put a bucket on his/her head and have someone beat on it with a crowbar.  That's another option, but really it has about the same effect.

I take it you speak from experience.  I know the Joplin School District is rough but I didn't realize they abused the teachers to that extent.   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 20, 2016, 01:39:41 PM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Just because an adult can ride a kiddie coaster doesn't make it a family coaster. In my opinion, a family coaster is a ride that everyone, no matter their age, can ride the coaster and have fun. Really anyone over ten probably won't have fun on the GEC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Just because an adult can ride a kiddie coaster doesn't make it a family coaster. In my opinion, a family coaster is a ride that everyone, no matter their age, can ride the coaster and have fun. Really anyone over ten probably won't have fun on the GEC.

You should try riding it with me and my friends then. We took it over and had a great time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 20, 2016, 02:53:05 PM
Anyone can ride GEC.  You might look creepy as an adult riding without a kid, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Also, anyone can put a bucket on his/her head and have someone beat on it with a crowbar.  That's another option, but really it has about the same effect.

I take it you speak from experience.  I know the Joplin School District is rough but I didn't realize they abused the teachers to that extent.   ;D

I'll say this:  if it weren't for the kids teaching would be easy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2016, 03:15:45 PM
I'll say this:  if it weren't for the kids teaching would be easy.

lol. For me it's the helicopter parents.  I can handle the kids no problem. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 20, 2016, 06:36:43 PM
I'll say this:  if it weren't for the kids teaching would be easy.

lol. For me it's the helicopter parents.  I can handle the kids no problem.

Actually, they frown on handling the kids in these parts.  No wonder you have trouble with their parents!  8)

(http://i1.wp.com/danhaesler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Helicopter-Gunship-Parenting.jpg?resize=572%2C406&ssl=1)

Actually the kids don't bother me, and neither do the parents; after 27 years, the worst part is the government.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 20, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
The kiddie coaster in Grand Expo is a kiddie coaster. Sure some adults can fit in those cars  and ride with lil' boogereater but that does not make it a family coaster just like no wacky worm coaster  is a family coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 20, 2016, 11:51:53 PM
Actually the kids don't bother me, and neither do the parents; after 27 years, the worst part is the government.

Another reason I am enjoying my move to a private.


The kiddie coaster in Grand Expo is a kiddie coaster.

Does it really matter?   Are we all seriously arguing something from a laroy post?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Baldwin on August 21, 2016, 07:12:15 PM
Get ready for an August announcement for the 2018 expansion! Unfortunately...it'll be August 2017 before they officially announce the new "attraction".
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 24, 2016, 03:13:33 PM
The most recent survey being shopped won't be for anything arriving at SDC in 2017 or 2018. That ship sailed long ago.

RMC knocked it out of the park with OR and I'm sure HFEC and SDC feel like they couldn't have gotten more value for the money. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them put their faith in RMC's innovation prowess once again with either the first or one of the first T-Rex installations.

Forget the spinning business. A T-Rex would be another game changer sure to put SDC on the map once again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77@yahoo.com on August 25, 2016, 07:32:56 AM
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Forget the spinning business. A T-Rex would be another game changer sure to put SDC on the map once again.

This would be exciting and something to look forward too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 25, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
The most recent survey being shopped won't be for anything arriving at SDC in 2017 or 2018. That ship sailed long ago.

RMC knocked it out of the park with OR and I'm sure HFEC and SDC feel like they couldn't have gotten more value for the money. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them put their faith in RMC's innovation prowess once again with either the first or one of the first T-Rex installations.

Forget the spinning business. A T-Rex would be another game changer sure to put SDC on the map once again.

And then you have the issues that Lightning Run is having
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 25, 2016, 07:04:21 PM
The most recent survey being shopped won't be for anything arriving at SDC in 2017 or 2018. That ship sailed long ago.

RMC knocked it out of the park with OR and I'm sure HFEC and SDC feel like they couldn't have gotten more value for the money. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them put their faith in RMC's innovation prowess once again with either the first or one of the first T-Rex installations.

Forget the spinning business. A T-Rex would be another game changer sure to put SDC on the map once again.

I guess it all depends on how busy RMC is this off season.  I know they have at least 4 S&S Free-Fly coasters going through the shop right now (they manufacture the track for this particular coaster for S&S) and who knows if there will be more (we should know after next Thursday's SF mass park expansion announcement).
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on August 26, 2016, 08:27:21 AM
Is SS/Arrow still around?  Making coasters?

I thought they just did the SS flat rides?  Thought X at SFMM kill the coaster business for them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 26, 2016, 08:56:16 AM
Is SS/Arrow still around?  Making coasters?

I thought they just did the SS flat rides?  Thought X at SFMM kill the coaster business for them.

Yes. In fact, besides all the new clones for SIX, they just landed a combo shot tower ride at Hersey's.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 26, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
^^You're thinking of Arrow Dynamics. They were bought out by S&S after they got in over their heads with X, and S&S was subsequently taken over by some Japanese entity.

I'd be over the moon to be the first park to get an RMC hyper coaster, but I doubt that will happen. I don't know if we'll ever know how much blame they deserve for the Lightning Run trouble, but HFEC probably isn't running back to them regardless. Besides, with how outlandish they are trying to be with some of these coaster installations, a T-REX coaster might not be gimmicky enough for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for some sort of flyer for their next coaster. I mean, who saw the extreme spinner coming? I hope they ease up on trying to push the bar and stick to some tried and true, quality designs for awhile though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 26, 2016, 03:36:49 PM
I'd rather them stop trying to push the envelope and start pushing the story.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 27, 2016, 12:04:03 AM
^^You're thinking of Arrow Dynamics. They were bought out by S&S after they got in over their heads with X, and S&S was subsequently taken over by some Japanese entity.

I'd be over the moon to be the first park to get an RMC hyper coaster, but I doubt that will happen. I don't know if we'll ever know how much blame they deserve for the Lightning Run trouble, but HFEC probably isn't running back to them regardless. Besides, with how outlandish they are trying to be with some of these coaster installations, a T-REX coaster might not be gimmicky enough for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for some sort of flyer for their next coaster. I mean, who saw the extreme spinner coming? I hope they ease up on trying to push the bar and stick to some tried and true, quality designs for awhile though.

It's S&S-Sansei now
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 27, 2016, 09:16:26 AM
I'd rather them stop trying to push the envelope and start pushing the story.

Amen!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on August 27, 2016, 11:51:15 AM
I don't know if we'll ever know how much blame they deserve for the Lightning Run trouble, but HFEC probably isn't running back to them regardless.

Don't forget that Outlaw Run had quite a bit of problems that first year and they had several months of testing available to them prior to opening the ride. I know it wasn't as bad as the Lightning Run trouble....but things were not perfect.

Rumor had it that the first T-Rex would be installed in 2017....maybe with the trouble that RMC is having it pushed it back to 2018? Anyhow, I'm ready for whatever it is.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 27, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Get ready for a world's first.   The park is expecting a huge rise in attendance in 2018.  So much so, sounds like they're expanding the parking again.  Good bye to the rest of that mountain
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 27, 2016, 06:43:01 PM
Well, if it's still what they are hinting at in the surveys, I'm still scratching my head. I think it will be fun, but I still don't see it being as big a draw as if they went with something a little more standard. I really think the spinning becomes a turn-off for many people the bigger the ride gets. Then again, we don't exactly have many giant spinning coasters to compare to...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 27, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
There's none.  We also don't have all the details do those who are already turning their noses up and grumbling aren't being fair to the addition.   Got some definitive info today that it is indeed one coaster and it will be added in 2018.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on August 31, 2016, 11:54:57 AM
Get ready for a world's first.   The park is expecting a huge rise in attendance in 2018.  So much so, sounds like they're expanding the parking again.  Good bye to the rest of that mountain

In fairness, the parking has needed to be expanded for a while now.  If you've ever made the mistake of visiting on a December Saturday, or some of the other very busy holidays and weekends, you'll know what I mean.  When they are parking people in fields and bank parking lots in Branson West and busing them back to the park, you know you have a problem.  One that's been needed to be addressed for years now.

something that will help bump up attendance will just help pay for what they already needed to do.  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: givemezamor on August 31, 2016, 01:02:46 PM
In fairness, the parking has needed to be expanded for a while now.  If you've ever made the mistake of visiting on a December Saturday, or some of the other very busy holidays and weekends, you'll know what I mean.  When they are parking people in fields and bank parking lots in Branson West and busing them back to the park, you know you have a problem.  One that's been needed to be addressed for years now.

something that will help bump up attendance will just help pay for what they already needed to do.  :)

This may not be the place to ask this, but how busy is the park on your typical Labor Day weekend? Taking my grandmother for the first time on Sunday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on August 31, 2016, 02:02:08 PM
Considering the parking is on/near a mountain, I really think they should consider a parking garage.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2016, 02:18:49 PM
Cheaper to just level the mountain (which is what they're doing)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 31, 2016, 04:00:12 PM
Get ready for a world's first.   The park is expecting a huge rise in attendance in 2018.  So much so, sounds like they're expanding the parking again.  Good bye to the rest of that mountain

As I noted earlier...Wouldn't be at all surprised for the debut of the world's first T-REX to grace SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2016, 08:02:19 PM
Get ready for a world's first.   The park is expecting a huge rise in attendance in 2018.  So much so, sounds like they're expanding the parking again.  Good bye to the rest of that mountain

As I noted earlier...Wouldn't be at all surprised for the debut of the world's first T-REX to grace SDC.

Everything is pointing to a spinning Mack version of a Infinity coaster though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on August 31, 2016, 08:57:17 PM
Get ready for a world's first.   The park is expecting a huge rise in attendance in 2018.  So much so, sounds like they're expanding the parking again.  Good bye to the rest of that mountain

As I noted earlier...Wouldn't be at all surprised for the debut of the world's first T-REX to grace SDC.

Everything is pointing to a spinning Mack version of a Infinity coaster though.

Yeah even though the debacle with Lightning Rod is probably not RMC's fault. The GP will still associate them with the bad publicity the ride has gotten which I think will be why HFEC is probably gonna shy away from them for a while after this.

Looking up some of their previous coaster designs from both Mack & GerstLauer this is probably something in the ballpark of what we could expect to see take shape next year for a 2018 debut.
(http://www.gerstlauer-rides.de/assets/product_references/2013/layoutdrafts/PL1IC1170.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 31, 2016, 09:14:09 PM
^lol, The GP don't know who RMC is, or even what Lightning Rod is. That's kinda what separates 'GP' from enthusiasts... Who else is going to know about the latest coasters and who manufactured them? Whether or not they go back to RMC some day has to do with HFEC corporate and whether or not they think it's worth it compared to their other options.

All we know is that they've looked heavily into this extreme spinning coaster concept with emphasis on a big drop. Past year's experience means that's almost certainly what they are actually building. I don't know that the Smiler (the photo you posted) will be too indicative since it's an "infinity coaster" and this will be some variant of their spinning coaster. Cobra's Curse is the one to look at, but apparently this one will be more extreme?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2016, 09:19:02 PM
The GP might not - but the media will.  Don't think for a minute the media wouldn't jump on the fact that the last RMC coaster was doged with delays.  That's what they do. Make a story out of nothing. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 31, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
Perhaps I am very biased, butI believe anything spinning involving a coaster will be a monumental miss. Even if they add partial cars with a no spin option, I just don't believe a spinning coaster will appeal to the masses. And call it a first all you want, but I don't see a spinning coaster of any kind one that's going to drive attendance through the roof if and when it would open. That type of coaster just doesn't cater to a broad enough demographic. I pray their research has proven the spinning concept is limiting and just too big of a gamble to make. Seems like a gimmick versus just concentrating on bringing in a kick ass coaster from a trusted vendor with a very intelligently planned circuit and theme. There's no need for more. I would take almost any other type of coaster than see millions invested in nothing but a puke train that just loses consumer interest regularly over time.

If you can't tell, I'm nervous and disappointed we're even speculating this type of coaster could be coming. 

And speaking of Lightning Rod, I'm pretty sure the issues that stalled it's debut were related to the launch mechanism. And if I'm not mistaken, that launch system wasn't designed or built by RMC so I'm not sure why the perception would be that RMC was to blame for the delayed opening. I know there was a part recalled shortly after it finally opened, but that was rectified pretty quickly.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 31, 2016, 11:32:46 PM
We get it. You don't like spinners. 

RMC hired the company that did the launch.  It's on them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 01, 2016, 07:58:40 AM
I don't want a spinner either....

I wouldn't be afraid of another RMC....it's not like they haven't built 12 other coasters the last couple of years without LR issues.  They make amazing coasters and I'd take 5 of them at SDC....lol.

I'll say it again....most Mack coasters I've seen look amazing.....I just hope it has an option not to spin!!! 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 01, 2016, 09:56:54 AM
We get it. You don't like spinners. 

Correct. And I would say that has also been the consensus on this board as well. Not that readership or contributors here necessarily represent the full spectrum, but it does beg the question why they would even be entertaining the spinning concept.

So the next question is will they wait until a year from now to make any kind of announcement hinting toward, or announcing the ride? Would there not be value in making one huge announcement this Fall about improvements for 2017 and construction already underway on a major coaster addition for 2018? With earthwork already happening around EH and TNT, I don't understand how their could be anything less that great marketing/PR value in planting the seed with an announcement and riding the wave of interest it will hopefully generate.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
Yeah but the consensus of this board means Jack. That same consensus whined about Outlaw Run going upside down when the artwork was released and now look at it. 

Continually posting about how you don't want a spinner will not change what the coaster is, it only clogs up the thread. 

No they will not make an announcement on 2018 this season. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 01, 2016, 05:50:43 PM
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Yeah but the consensus of this board means Jack.

...and Pete.

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No they will not make an announcement on 2018 this season.

A premature announcement about the 2018 season would only serve to stifle 2017 season pass sales.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 01, 2016, 07:53:10 PM

A premature announcement about the 2018 season would only serve to stifle 2017 season pass sales.

While that may or may not actually be true, I'd be willing to bet that's how the park looks at it.  When I was working there during the construction of Outlaw Run it took them forever to even admit they were building it, even though it was obvious.  When I asked, this was the reason given for not saying anything- because they didn't want people to stop coming and instead wait til the next year when the new ride was open.

Frankly I thought it was silly, as they could use the time to build anticipation and publicity, but the PTB more than likely will see it how History Buff put it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on September 01, 2016, 10:06:26 PM
Yeah but the consensus of this board means Jack. That same consensus whined about Outlaw Run going upside down when the artwork was released and now look at it. 

Continually posting about how you don't want a spinner will not change what the coaster is, it only clogs up the thread. 



My point was if that is the consensus here, I have a hard time believing a GP survey would reveal anything significantly different. It wasn't whining, just merely reiterating a point.

And I haven't scratched the surface of clogging any thread on this board comparatively speaking so please don't go there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Sungod on September 01, 2016, 10:17:27 PM
He likes to try and dictate what people can and cannot talk about.  Pretty amusing considering how many of his verifications are wrong and then the "plans change" card is played.  He actually arguged that OR didn't have the dip at the top of the lift hill as it was built stating that it was an optical illusion.  So, post away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 01, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
You two (and several others) take the Internet (and especially this forum)way too seriously. 
The amount of posters on here that get butthurt by what I post is humorous and flattering.  If you haven't figured it out by now, this board is just a playground for me.  Very rarely am I being serious with my posts.  Yes I troll people because it's fun to see how they'll respond.  Life is way too serious to not have fun online.  Let your hair down, take the stick out of your rear and get over it. 

And to whatever your name is, things do change quite often at SDC. It's one of the most consistent things that happens there.  Information from 2nd hand sources can be a crap shoot. Doesn't mean that the information is completely wrong, it could mean it's just outdated.  The most infuriating thing going on right now is whether or not FM will last to see its 50th.  If you ask the man, depends on the day. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 02, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
By the way......I hope it doesn't spin  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 02, 2016, 08:19:37 AM
If SDC made an announcement about 2018 rides right now they would be shooting themselves in the foot for 2017 season passes.  I expect they will be mute about the changes until Spring of next year and then start teasing the heck out of it to try to draw people to come see the construction.  A two year build is tough on a park to market.

It would be a lot easier if they had something coming or being built for 2017 but it seems like nothing is planned from the current rumors.  I wonder if they would advertise FMs last year if that rumor is true?  Might make sense if that is the only thing that will be 'special' next year.  They could make a big deal out of it and get some hype going for 2018.

I may be going over the weekend.....I figure this trip and a Christmas trip this year and them I'm probably done till 2018 (unless it only spins).

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on September 02, 2016, 08:43:01 PM
So if they stated on opening day a big announcement was coming later this year, and its not about a new ride/attraction, what will it be about?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 02, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
"The Biggest Show Year Ever!"  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on September 03, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
^ That would take some doing if it were really true   ;)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on September 04, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
Was at the park yesterday (9/3/16) and spoke to several long time employees. Was told that the new "attraction" wont be open until spring 2019.....yes 2019 folks. He stressed that its an "ATTRACTION" for family fun. I asked if it was a new coaster and he said that all they were told was that it was an "attraction". He said to keep the theme "celebrating family" in mind. So i was intrigue and asked a few more employees and they said the same thing that the new "attraction" wont be open until 2019. Guess Swoosh needs to change the headline for this thread again.
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 04, 2016, 03:08:20 PM
A PTB let it slip accidentally that it IS a coaster and it will come in 2018
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 05, 2016, 09:01:20 AM
I hope somebody else lets "something slip" or they start to advertise and promote something.  The crickets are deafening.  I haven't seen this forum
this quiet in a long time.  Nothing to speculate about and nothing to talk about, that's not good for SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 05, 2016, 10:31:41 AM
I'm surprised mammalone is being so quiet.  Is she no longer dating the guy that's in charge of most of the construction projects out at the park?  Now that the Runaway is built and open he should have moved out to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 05, 2016, 11:31:33 AM
At park now.....looks like a construction trailer 2x wide is parked in the clearing by tnts lift hill
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 05, 2016, 02:15:48 PM
Yeah it's been there since earlier this Spring
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 05, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Nothing to speculate about and nothing to talk about, that's not good for SDC.

Are you insinuating that SDC is at all impacted by the inane musings of this board? LOL.

They'll do what they always do. Talk up the festivals and shows for next year while they work on whatever infrastructure projects they've been needing to do for years, then they'll go on an all out marketing blitz for 2018. I think they've got this down, they've been doing it for 56 seasons.

I've been told the clearing is growing, but there's not that much to see yet. I'm just waiting to see if the entrance will be worked on or not.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 05, 2016, 02:43:47 PM
SDC is impacted by every opinion as anyone that is in the entertainment leisure industry is.  This is discretionary spending and times are tough.  If the fans at this website are not talking (we talk about anything) then what does that tell you?  Tells me they need to give us something to talk about, it doesn't take much.  This is not self centered this is a synergy issue and they need some.  $20 kids before Labor Day is not done as a favor.  They need more visitors. They need attention.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 05, 2016, 03:05:11 PM
More visitors?  There's a reason the park is having to expand parking again.  The park is far from hurting right now.  Tourism is actually up in Branson this year.  I'm not sure who exactly is hurting because tourism across the board is up this year thanks to low gas prices.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 05, 2016, 04:41:20 PM
More visitors?  There's a reason the park is having to expand parking again.  The park is far from hurting right now.  Tourism is actually up in Branson this year.  I'm not sure who exactly is hurting because tourism across the board is up this year thanks to low gas prices.

Apparently Orlando as their foriegn tourist numbers are down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 05, 2016, 05:19:13 PM
Yeah it's been there since earlier this Spring

I don't remember seeing it on the board....but I don't memorize every post.

2 of my kids where ready to go an hour after getting there today :/   They rather be back in the car with their ipads.  SDC has tough competition these days for their attention.

I rode tnt with my oldest 3xs....fun times.  One day I'll get her on a bigger ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on September 05, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
2 of my kids where ready to go an hour after getting there today :/   They rather be back in the car with their ipads.  SDC has tough competition these days for their attention.

When I was a kid I was so excited to get there I couldn't stand it.  I felt it was the end of the world when I had to leave.   Come to think of it I still do!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 05, 2016, 07:18:17 PM
2 of my kids where ready to go an hour after getting there today :/   They rather be back in the car with their ipads.  SDC has tough competition these days for their attention.

When I was a kid I was so excited to get there I couldn't stand it.  I felt it was the end of the world when I had to leave.   Come to think of it I still do!

I was the same, I would sit for hours and study maps, counted down the days until we left for either Six Flags or Silver Dollar City. Kids are definitely different these days and I tried to talk them into going this last weekend, but they just wanted to stay home. Maybe it's because we have them going constantly (school, practice, church, etc.) that when they have a down day....they want to do nothing.

We went to Disney a few years ago, and the oldest kids wanted to leave right after their phones went dead.....I wasn't very happy.

Pokemon Go was a great game for parks, let the kids hunt for Pokemon while they were in line for rides, etc. Sea World had Pokestops all through the park and some were at locations within their attractions. If parks could figure out games such as Pokemon Go so the kids were interacting with their phones while in line for rides, or searching for clues throughout the park, etc. I think it would keep them interested.....Maybe something that even helps with the story line of the ride, or park, etc.

I'm really wanting to get up there sometime this year to see the construction, I just might have to go by myself.....

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 05, 2016, 07:58:27 PM
Yeah when I went up there for the last week of MM there was still quite a few kids and teenagers there but a fair portion of adults who were more interested in the rides and shows. A majority of the kids/teens were there actually playing Pokemon GO. Most of the rides are setup as Pokestops for the queues which does make sense. But a lot were not even in line for the rides but standing around or sitting nearby it and playing on their phones waiting on their parents to ride the rides which was astonishing.

Only reason I play is because my girlfriend is really into it and it gives us another activity to do together. But I did open it for a bit just to see how its laid out up there. I haven't touched it since. lol
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13892339_10154383554947232_2729973677861177426_n.jpg?oh=583d7d5e60f8028d99fc4bf9c314140d&oe=584F69DF) (https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13895392_10154383555297232_8736173484294261135_n.jpg?oh=d0f60c080fd8f8e2a9769fec8b084a91&oe=583EF4A4)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on September 06, 2016, 09:46:22 AM
I'm surprised mammalone is being so quiet.  Is she no longer dating the guy that's in charge of most of the construction projects out at the park?  Now that the Runaway is built and open he should have moved out to the park.

We broke up, unfortunately. It's been a really tough month. I just couldn't bring myself to make one more sammich.

Anyway, I'm just waiting on some "sort" of announcement that I thought was coming in Aug. or Sept. I hope they still give us some sort of a teaser.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 06, 2016, 12:34:44 PM
I'm surprised mammalone is being so quiet.  Is she no longer dating the guy that's in charge of most of the construction projects out at the park?  Now that the Runaway is built and open he should have moved out to the park.

We broke up, unfortunately. It's been a really tough month. I just couldn't bring myself to make one more sammich.

Anyway, I'm just waiting on some "sort" of announcement that I thought was coming in Aug. or Sept. I hope they still give us some sort of a teaser.

Woman. Don't you know your place is in the kitchen!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 06, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
I smell a Pokemon Go theme park coming for all the Pokemon and Anime lovers out there.

Woman. Don't you know your place is in the kitchen!!!

Agreed!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 06, 2016, 08:35:30 PM
This is what I am talkin about.......
Perfect for the theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmlHNENd07w
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 09, 2016, 01:48:03 PM
Well.....back on topic....

Anyone know when the 2017 marketing campaign will begin?  When was last years?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
Came out with AP renewals
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 14, 2016, 08:37:51 PM
Construction Update from this past Sunday
https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/09/projects-2017-2018-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 15, 2016, 02:03:08 PM
Thank you for the pictures swoosh.......I still can't believe I haven't made it up there yet this year to see what all is going on at the City.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Even more trees are gone now.  I guess everything behind EH restrooms and all of the trees between the restrooms and concession stand are gone now.  You can almost clearly see TNT from EH now.  This area is HUGE. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 15, 2016, 03:05:56 PM
Yeah I drew up what's been cleared when I went up for the last week of MM that seems to mostly match your description. Or has even more land been cleared than indicated here?
http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=162&start=4170

I wouldn't be upset if they got rid of TNT's overflow queue on the hillside there too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 15, 2016, 03:20:44 PM
TNT overflow que is ridiculous.  Please remove it!!!!  Just do a straight shot down into the building.  It already has stairs to climb so it doesn't need the zig zag for the grading or for the que line wait.




Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2016, 04:22:22 PM
Yeah I drew up what's been cleared when I went up for the last week of MM that seems to mostly match your description. Or has even more land been cleared than indicated here?
http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=162&start=4170

I wouldn't be upset if they got rid of TNT's overflow queue on the hillside there too.

Even more - as of yesterday (hence the point of my post)

Even more trees are gone now.  I guess everything behind EH restrooms and all of the trees between the restrooms and concession stand are gone now.  You can almost clearly see TNT from EH now.  This area is HUGE. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 15, 2016, 06:55:22 PM
So basically not much has changed since early August except that they've cut down a LOT more trees. I guess they are going for the "wildfire treatment" with the new coasters now. Shame...

I was kind of still holding out hope that the 2018 rumor was wrong and that they'd be out there doing actual construction by now, but I guess that's not the case. I think it's weird how they drag it out like this though. It's been how many months since the original survey? And it's taken them all summer just to do the clearing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 15, 2016, 09:06:56 PM
There are just A LOT of projects in motion right now.

1. EH Access Road
2. EH Restroom Relocation
3. New 76/IPR Signs
4. 2018 Lot Tree Clearing
5. 2017 Parking Lot Expansion
6. 2017 Front Gate Area Reconfiguration/Rebuild
7. 2017 Center Town Upgrades - will be most noticeable during Christmas

Not to mention there is about a HUGE shake up in management in the next 2 months.  Lots of reshuffling of people (among other things).

It's a VERY BUSY time right now at the parks

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 16, 2016, 07:54:00 AM
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7. 2017 Center Town Upgrades - will be most noticeable during Christmas
DO you mean Mid Town where the bakery candle shop is or the square?  This is interesting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 16, 2016, 10:08:43 AM
Yes the area formerly known as Midtown
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on September 16, 2016, 11:20:50 AM
Isn't there a sign somewhere around labeling it Midtown?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on September 16, 2016, 11:49:34 AM
Isn't there a sign somewhere around labeling it Midtown?

The Pathfinder map from this weekend says it is Midtown - it is on Hannah's Ice Cream shop.

You can definitely see TNT from Echo Hollow now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on September 16, 2016, 02:41:38 PM
Is this management shakeup a good or bad thing?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on September 16, 2016, 03:38:24 PM


Not to mention there is about a HUGE shake up in management in the next 2 months.  Lots of reshuffling of people (among other things).


Any other information or details about this?  Who, what departments, positions, etc?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 18, 2016, 07:15:45 AM


Not to mention there is about a HUGE shake up in management in the next 2 months.  Lots of reshuffling of people (among other things).


Any other information or details about this?  Who, what departments, positions, etc?

Unfortunately I do not have specific names or positions and that was the first thing I asked when I heard it too.  Supposed to start in October.  Includes hourly supervisors all the way up to salaried. Honestly we may never know the full extent of it unless an employee lists every change for us
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 18, 2016, 10:35:15 AM
Is this management shakeup a good or bad thing?

I second this concern.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 18, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
TNT overflow que is ridiculous.  Please remove it!!!!  Just do a straight shot down into the building.  It already has stairs to climb so it doesn't need the zig zag for the grading or for the que line wait.

Agreed, it is a bit rediculous. I think its so long because they dont want to run out of room, just in case it is a busy day with 1 train broken. I hate that the PK line sometimes stretches down to the big sign because there isnt enough room, even when it goes thru every long way. Lines shouldnt run out of room and go into something like a road or intersection. TNT does have a little extra room for a line that they should strip down. Make it a straight line to the tunnel or make it a line you can change, like every other coaster line. Dont make it too long, but dont make it too short. If it is long, thats good. Just make a shortcut way around it. I asked an employee if they will use it for the new ride, but they said no.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: ithai on September 19, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
When thunderation opened the long que area was very much used. I remember the year it opened we had to wait all the way through the que area. Waiting on the stairs was the pits. It is definitely time for it to be re purposed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 19, 2016, 03:10:31 PM
I'm sure when TnT opened and for its first many years that line was needed especially since it was the only coaster in the park and that was before some of the other bigger ride areas were around(like GE and GG/FL).  I've only seen the line back up completely down the stairs one or twice on the busiest of days.  Of course....I only see it a few times a year.  With two trains running and a average ops crew that ride really seems to keep the line moving.....seems to have almost as much capacity as Wildfire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on September 27, 2016, 10:19:25 AM
Since there is not much to talk about for the new coaster at the moment I wanted to bring up this ride which I think has exactly what SDC needs to focus on for new projects in the future. The immersive theming and storytelling with the projections and animatronics would be fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRQNMWribCI 

This is the exterior of the ride in question which they could also build and theme around a mining or cave theme quite well. https://rcdb.com/12083.htm

(https://rcdb.com/aadhzla)

Also imagine how incredible it would be if they could put some love into AP, FM, and FITH with this theming technology.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on September 27, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
I'm sure when TnT opened and for its first many years that line was needed especially since it was the only coaster in the park and that was before some of the other bigger ride areas were around(like GE and GG/FL).  I've only seen the line back up completely down the stairs one or twice on the busiest of days.  Of course....I only see it a few times a year.  With two trains running and a average ops crew that ride really seems to keep the line moving.....seems to have almost as much capacity as Wildfire.

I've been there when the line was down the stairs, but that was a long, long time ago.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on September 27, 2016, 05:01:40 PM
So, no actually announcement of what ride it is and when?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 03, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
^You'll have to wait till next August for an announcement by the looks of it. If steel is already in the air, then maybe late July?

I'm just wondering when it will actually arrive. Maybe early spring?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on October 04, 2016, 06:03:04 PM
Since there is not much to talk about for the new coaster at the moment I wanted to bring up this ride which I think has exactly what SDC needs to focus on for new projects in the future. The immersive theming and storytelling with the projections and animatronics would be fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRQNMWribCI 

This is the exterior of the ride in question which they could also build and theme around a mining or cave theme quite well. https://rcdb.com/12083.htm

(https://rcdb.com/aadhzla)



Also imagine how incredible it would be if they could put some love into AP, FM, and FITH with this theming technology.
Efteling is in the process of building a new dark ride attraction that is a good bit over 30 million in cost. Hopefully, if all goes as planned , I get to this park in  2018. I want to sneak nearby Toverland in as well.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 06, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
FWIW, the Dive Coaster that is/was rumored was to be similar in theme to Baron.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 09, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
For what its worth I was up there for a few hours on Thursday, didn't get as many pictures as I wanted since a thunderstorm decided to form right over the lake and sit over the park for 2 hours.

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14633323_10154570746257232_3378371417806233033_o.jpg)

Some of the clearing behind Echo Hollow seen from the Culinary School porch.

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14581337_10154567769437232_8712794350596592561_n.jpg?oh=4edc864641a6a56fdc664af8f6acf6d7&oe=586B8B78)

Here is a bit of the clearing as seen from TNT's queue. They didn't just clear out the trees and throw some retaining walls up and such, they also appear to be digging out much of that hillside now too. Likely for pathways and infrastructure.

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14606388_10154570770302232_5903714667654356587_n.jpg?oh=1bc1ae7e6039cc4d8adfb56c043af1d3&oe=58623FBC)

76 Signage as we already have seen, the blue part lights up with a neon blue halo effect:

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14556499_10154570746002232_3846842349892076899_o.jpg)

This one is still incomplete for some reason:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14608818_10154570746007232_7195419189442226194_o.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 09, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
Thanks for the photos sdcfan88! Sucks that the rain put a damper on things, but the park looks fantastic and I'm glad to see some progress on the ride area. Have they gone vertical on the new bathroom by EH? Seems like that is taking forever too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on October 09, 2016, 05:11:59 PM
Best time to take pictures - when the streets are shiny.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 09, 2016, 09:51:14 PM
They had tarp over the bathroom area so I am not sure. Nothing is gone vertical otherwise from what I can tell. They seemed focused on digging out that hillside.

Also I also wonder if this is another example of what kind of layout to expect when things finally do go vertical. https://rcdb.com/12000.htm Thats an interesting Lift hill.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 15, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
Someone mentioned to me that there has been some more action lately on the construction site. If anyone is going soon, some pictures would be greatly appreciated. I probably won't head up there again until Coaster Chrstimas on the 12th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 16, 2016, 05:08:29 PM
Ask and you shall received - yes that is a footer... or two

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/10/project-2018-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 16, 2016, 08:07:29 PM
I had a feeling they were about to put footers in there when I visited a couple weeks ago. When I was on TNT there was an area by the loop around that also looked like it was about to receive one as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 16, 2016, 10:27:39 PM
Hmm, almost looks like they are flattening it for a station, and the spread footings would be part of that... but the track stakes originally went perpendicular through there down the hillside. I wonder if there will be some sort of station interaction/fly-by?

I'm super happy to finally have some almost vertical construction though. I'll definitely be heading out there more next year. Although at this rate they could have the thing built by then...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 16, 2016, 11:11:18 PM
Hmm, almost looks like they are flattening it for a station, and the spread footings would be part of that... but the track stakes originally went perpendicular through there down the hillside. I wonder if there will be some sort of station interaction/fly-by?

I'm super happy to finally have some almost vertical construction though. I'll definitely be heading out there more next year. Although at this rate they could have the thing built by then...

Yeah I am really wondering about that myself. Is it really gonna take them another 15 months to put together a steel coaster? This thing has to be huge and be incredibly well themed (such as constructing a underground element or a fake mountain structure for it to pass thru) to justify that timetable I think. Unless the contractors are really stretched that thin up there right now.

This brings the question: Does anyone remember how long it took for them to build Wildfire? Might be a good reference point to this project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on October 17, 2016, 11:16:17 AM
It's probably just new bathrooms for EH...lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 17, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
It's probably just new bathrooms for EH...lol

Those are already being built on the other side of EH
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on October 20, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
Went to the park today, expecting to see hills scalped, etc. I guess I had prepared myself for something more than what was there. Anyhow, here are my thoughts and observations.

Right now you cannot see much unless you get down into Echo Hollow, or ride Thunderation. I was expecting to be able to see a lot of clearing from the picnic tables around the skillet area, but you really can't. Also, I'm assuming the construction hidden from view by the wooden fence in G.E. is for the new Echo Hollow bathrooms (there were door frames, etc. being staged in that area).

It looks like the "footers" are now going down the hill. Lots of work going on today. You could hear a bunch of sawing which I assume is for the footer forms.

I was also happy to see a small retaining wall next to Thunderation, which leads me to believe Thunderation will survive this expansion.

I didn't try to take any pictures because there wasn't anything easy to photograph and my group didn't want to stay for the show (sorry, I failed).

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 20, 2016, 06:57:03 PM
Lol I was there today too. I will just leave this here. I brought my telephoto and took lots of photos today which I will upload tonight after I get home.

Video: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154616921217232&id=503502231
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 20, 2016, 07:58:13 PM
Wow, all of this has basically popped up over the course of 5 days. Just goes to show, if they wanted this thing open next season, they could have easily done so. I'm guessing they'll build the station and get the footers ready, then do all the steel next summer?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on October 20, 2016, 08:59:31 PM
Lol I was there today too. I will just leave this here. I brought my telephoto and took lots of photos today which I will upload tonight after I get home.

Video: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154616921217232&id=503502231

Great video! I wish I would have stayed until E.H. opened so I could have seen this too! We may go back tomorrow, but that depends on how my daughter feels in the morning.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on October 21, 2016, 11:18:13 AM
Gotta give HFE credit for keeping everything on the down low.  I mean the fact they are building foundations for something means that at least 90% of the plan has been approved.  But I don't get the feeling from the interwebs that anyone knows exactly what is going on.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on October 21, 2016, 11:23:57 AM
Gotta give HFE credit for keeping everything on the down low.  I mean the fact they are building foundations for something means that at least 90% of the plan has been approved.  But I don't get the feeling from the interwebs that anyone knows exactly what is going on.

Which brings up the question:  Is it more exciting to find out about your presents (new ride) before Christmas (official announcement) or to be completely surprised on Christmas morning (official announcement)?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 21, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
Here are additional photos shot from my DSLR with my Telephoto Lens, the first set here is taken all the way from the Culinary School porch.

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711072_10154620151702232_1297906114775598059_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14753844_10154620150652232_7912530088242154074_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14753472_10154620150642232_1648109291413657999_o.jpg)

The crews have finally moved in and setup around TNT:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691909_10154620149972232_200379159934892750_o.jpg)

Access Road and retaining walls for EH & the new coaster:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14633115_10154620149712232_1187672027940140726_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14682190_10154620150237232_3317447591796555214_o.jpg)

The likely station platform and footers can be clearly seen from the porch:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14633214_10154620151362232_4293302711972177220_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14700844_10154620152007232_1943917106970658261_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691946_10154620152107232_5375865330414751579_o.jpg)

Seen thru the trees there is the bottom loop around on TNT for reference to the rest of the area:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14701052_10154620152062232_3899443498045086125_o.jpg)

New Echo Hollow Restrooms going vertical as the plumbing appears to be completed minus the sinks and toilets:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14706876_10154620149482232_5916787849482974311_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14707876_10154620150247232_5325649085025406217_o.jpg)

Echo Hollow finally opened up for the evening so I went down to the current restroom facility and saw all of this:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14720606_10154617067347232_1059576171111022310_n.jpg?oh=9006af4c83e6db6913bd6da11b04f25f&oe=58930238)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14681743_10154617067277232_6035846897659866898_n.jpg?oh=175c679d9827da51abc3eccb99afe5ea&oe=589D31D3)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711584_10154620152587232_7163289480859299172_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14707859_10154620153047232_7445955309929680194_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711608_10154620153072232_4301076328583176011_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14712920_10154620153447232_7850059878266353505_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14715662_10154620153407232_2006306376804166504_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711322_10154620153557232_4263766478601197269_o.jpg)

To get a sense of scale of all this, the stakes go all the way out to Indian Point Road which is also clearly visible now:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14712777_10154620153727232_1820036806732416812_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14681938_10154620153802232_2806047606369663564_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691940_10154620153777232_3331892273061571996_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711601_10154620154487232_6756343258669352803_o.jpg)

ThuNeraTion once again:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/12322921_10154620153977232_4362855343362873735_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14615606_10154620150712232_3096515827135886320_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14692036_10154620151242232_3945734905937113153_o.jpg)

Not entirely sure what this is gonna be:
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14711147_10154620152217232_8404041157829257876_o.jpg)

But it is definitely looking interesting... and massive.
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14721505_10154617066927232_7697784803360710315_n.jpg?oh=d878ffb9da2a7a5e686ed3551a6cae65&oe=586110E1)

There was a lot of chatter down there from the GP with some of the park employees about it as people have been noticing the stakes and asking about the new coaster. One denied it's construction completely while another said it would indeed be a steel coaster larger than Wildfire. We shall see...

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on October 22, 2016, 09:20:20 AM
Thanks for the pics!! I am really surprised so much is being done when this won't open until 2018. So much to watch for!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 22, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
With the price tag previously being speculated in the 30+ million range, and with gaining a better perspective of the cleared area, if it is for sure a Mack I am betting it will be like one of these: http://www.mack-rides.com/en/products/coasters/mega-coaster/c-mc-picture-gallery/index.html

While I doubt SDC will get on on this scale despite what one of the employees had commented (being larger than Wildfire) here is video of a similar Coaster in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvKFdHFo7J0

This to me would make sense that it would take them nearly two years to build.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on October 22, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
double post
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on October 24, 2016, 05:53:52 PM
^ That would be nice, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I don't see them going for a second Wildfire when they could do something more innovative instead. That's just the way they are. Wildfire was actually their most conservative coaster, and even it has it's quirks with the special trains.

It would be fun if they built a Mack Mega with a spinning car on the end, but I don't think that would look as good for the marketing plus the logistics of managing the line.

Keep in mind that the price tag speculation is just that, speculation based on whisps of rumors.

I'm hoping the extra time will allow for more detail vs. more coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: brianconway34018 on November 12, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
It shall be a launch coaster. Silver Dollar City said they are going to have to spend an extra 1.2 million dollars to build a power system in order to power the launch system which will be magnetic. Now since it has been said that the company is German, isn't it nifty that one of the choices on the survey was a MACK launch coaster with spinning seats?  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 12, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
Interesting, because everyone else I've talked to that was there said they didn't mention the attraction at all.  However, thank you for creating a new account to post that amazing bit of info as your first post. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 12, 2016, 02:26:04 PM
I'm here at Coaster Christmas, and nothing is being announced. They said wait till August and its like nothing else.

Not sure where you are getting that info...

Lots of footers complete though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: brianconway34018 on November 12, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
Well my dad happens to be an employee who gets a lot of information from the higher ups since he's been there for 25 years. But yeah at the moment they're having an energy crisis.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 12, 2016, 11:34:44 PM
Interesting.  Guess the "higher ups" who give your "dad" information failed to mention that the energy infrastructure on that side of the park has already been upgraded. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: brianconway34018 on November 13, 2016, 02:11:13 AM
this was last month he caught word of this. I don't mean to sound rude but he has better things to do as a sound technician than asking around for updates on the project, he gets what he can when he can.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 13, 2016, 09:27:03 AM
The upgrades were done last offseason. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 13, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
Usually I'm all for ridiculous unfounded rumors, but dont make headaches for your dad Brian.

Glad to see how excited Brad is for this thing though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 13, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
Usually I'm all for ridiculous unfounded rumors, but dont make headaches for your dad Brian.

Glad to see how excited Brad is for this thing though.

Indeed - and so is Lisa.  I think the best news about 2018 that I've heard is that the park is starting the process of planning a 50th celebration for Flooded Mine and that the attraction might be getting some historic recognition. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on November 13, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
^ That would be great!  It's still one of our favorite rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 13, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
^*two thumbs up*
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: brianconway34018 on November 13, 2016, 11:34:56 PM
The upgrades for that side of the park were not for the new attraction. They are having to come up with a power source for the ride itself, not for anything else but the ride. If you guys wanna be this way I'll just take my valuable information to another site that would better appreciate it. Have fun getting news from the dip n dots guy
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 14, 2016, 11:13:12 AM
This is even worse than getting "info" from the dip n' dots guy. At least that guy would be close to the action. Go ahead and peddle those rumors elsewhere if you want to try to find someone who will take it seriously.

Too many people trying to sound like they have "inside" info again. Just sit back and let it roll out, it's funner that way all around.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 15, 2016, 01:22:05 PM
Now here's something real: In the Loop's facebook page has a post about a launched Mack spinner concept being shown at IAAPA. The model shown is a short shuttle concept sort of similar to the Premier and X-Coaster layouts.

Still no ties to SDC yet, but it would certainly be "like no other". I'm assuming IF SDC is going with this, it won't be a shuttle type. Whether it will have a launch or not is still anyone's guess.

I'd love to see what else Mack and Gerstauler have on display. Still a lot of possibilities and the spinning coaster concept survey could turn out to be a false flag or something that was ultimately abandoned.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 15, 2016, 03:19:21 PM
Here it is, IF they are still set on a spinner we could very well be seeing a variation of this. Minus the bland layout which I assume is just for conceptual purposes, the interesting piece is that it has a turntable with spinning and non spinning trains. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 15, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
Take with a grain of salt.
Last rumblings I heard was that it was going to be this style of train but with 4 cars instead of the 3 as shown.  It is said to be a launched coaster with numerous inversions.  No idea on theme or layout. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 18, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
Hope you're right Swoosh but that Mack announcement coaster sure does looks like it would fit into the concepts they sent out :/ 

Do we have any idea about the budget to be spent on the ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 21, 2016, 06:15:40 PM
FYI Here is the official video from MACK about the Xtreme Spinning Coaster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8&feature=youtu.be

My gut tells me they won't go with a launch though... which probably means they actually will.  ::)
The concept pitch with the emphasis on the "plunge" makes it seem like they wouldn't have a launch as well, otherwise that would be what they would focus on. Then again, the concept pitch never truly represents what will ultimately get built. Outlay Run's original pitch definitely seemed a lot milder and didn't include any talk about inversions.

What would be really cool is if it started with a traditional lift and plunge and had a midcourse launch, but I don't know if that would be practical for such a low capacity train.

Also of note though, this ride system can also take the new "Big Dipper" trains for added capacity, albeit no spinning. Could be their insurance policy in case the spinning turns out to not be popular.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 21, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
I have a vision of a launch up to a stalled area sort of like Cheetah Hunt and then that plunge from up there
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on November 21, 2016, 11:52:56 PM
Spinning Dive Coaster Hybrid? lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 23, 2016, 01:22:29 PM
That Mack spinner launch would be such a lower ppl/hr....it would have huge lines with just one train and 3 cars.  If SDC builds that they will probably also 2x the sales for trailblazer passes :/. Hope that's not a plan.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 23, 2016, 01:45:30 PM
I have a vision of a launch up to a stalled area sort of like Cheetah Hunt and then that plunge from up there

I'd be ok with this....especially if the trains had both traditional floorless cars in front and maybe the spinner cars in rear.  Do a 'hybrid' train that gave different experiences based on where you ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 23, 2016, 10:11:48 PM
Was able to get photos today. I'll try to get them posted Thursday.  Lots of footers.  Clear shot from TNT queue of work zone now.  We'll see how long that lasts. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 24, 2016, 11:26:47 AM
Here's the latest photo update from SDC on Project 2018
https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/11/project-2018-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 24, 2016, 11:53:33 AM
Wow, talk about clear cutting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 24, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
HumphreyHawk, without knowing any of the actual details I can pretty much guarantee that this thing will have more than one train. They aren't that dumb. It will definitely be a lower PPH than their other coasters and have big lines, but not catastrophically slow ones. I'll bet they run three trains of four cars each during at least the first few years.

Insane how much more visible all that is now all the sudden. Leaves falling + the bathroom make a big difference... though they've probably taken out even more trees as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 24, 2016, 10:20:48 PM
You're looking at 12 riders per train from what I've heard.  4 carts with 4 riders sitting in rows of 2 back-to-back. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on November 24, 2016, 11:57:46 PM
You're looking at 12 riders per train from what I've heard.  4 carts with 4 riders sitting in rows of 2 back-to-back.
Wouldn't that be 16 riders?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 25, 2016, 09:32:55 AM
Yes it would.  I was thinking of their normal train.  The SDC trains will be one cart longer
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on November 25, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
You're looking at 12 riders per train from what I've heard.  4 carts with 4 riders sitting in rows of 2 back-to-back.
Wouldn't that be 16 riders?

LOL>. thats the teacher part of Swoosh....  Never know when there may be a pop quiz!!..... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 26, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
Sure does sound like a low RPH for all that investment. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 26, 2016, 03:53:49 PM
Depends on how many trains they can run at once. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 26, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
Sure does sound like a low RPH for all that investment.

That's what I was thinking.  But then they aren't always known for thinking about capacity to much.  I remember a few discussions where they tried to convince me that our 750pph on the train was a huge capacity, and I couldn't help thinking about the rides at Disney that do well over 2000pph in comparison.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 27, 2016, 12:18:28 AM
Flooded Mine still does more riders per day than Outlaw Run
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 27, 2016, 10:07:48 AM
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Flooded Mine still does more riders per day than Outlaw Run
I didnt know that! I wonder how FITH compairs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 27, 2016, 11:53:16 AM
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Flooded Mine still does more riders per day than Outlaw Run
I didnt know that! I wonder how FITH compares

Probably in the same area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 28, 2016, 08:23:52 AM
Flooded Mine still does more riders per day than Outlaw Run

That would be a change in the last year then.  Outlaw Run definitely had larger numbers 2013 - 2015, at least according to the ridership numbers that I saw while working there.  While watching my NDA from my time, I will say that they weren't in the same tiers.

Are you sure you're not thinking of FITH?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on November 28, 2016, 09:21:23 AM
I'm sure both FiTH and FM both have capacity for higher numbers than OR.  But do they run higher numbers?

Anyone know if SDC has a max capacity the park can handle?  Surely HFE has done some type of stress test studies on the park.  With the numbers we they are seeing (and going to see during Christmas) there is a stress point where it gets to where people don't come back because of the crowds.  Lord knows that I'm already at that point for basically all Saturdays.  What is the point of going if every attraction and purchase becomes an 30-90min wait in a crowd.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 28, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Flooded Mine still does more riders per day than Outlaw Run

That would be a change in the last year then.  Outlaw Run definitely had larger numbers 2013 - 2015, at least according to the ridership numbers that I saw while working there.  While watching my NDA from my time, I will say that they weren't in the same tiers.

Are you sure you're not thinking of FITH?

Yes sweetie I am quite sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 28, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
This may instead of a literal number of riders be a projection or expectation.  If that were the case then indeed
the FM could be out performing OR.  I know the FM is more of a walk on for me as I know its never long till you get on.  Much like a disney ride. I eats people up. You also all ride as a family.
 If that were the case I would be interested in what their expectations are for the other attractions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on November 28, 2016, 09:58:47 PM

Yes sweetie I am quite sure.

Sweetie?  Umm, not necessary.

Ride ops saw actual ridership reports on a regular basis if we wanted.  I saw 3 - 4 a year while working on the train when our lead came back with them from leadership meetings.  Flooded Mine never had more ridership than Outlaw Run.  It wasn't even close.  And that was on every report for 2 years from the leadership given out to their attractions leaders in the park.

So either something odd happened in the last year where a ride with declining ridership somehow passed a new ride that was well above it, or there is some mistake in the information you're receiving.  Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here Swoosh.

Have you seen this year's and more importantly the latest report?  If not then let's just agree that IN THE PAST this might not have been the case.  Let's just say some things have changed that have... um... helped bolster ridership on FM.  Sometimes you get addition by subtraction and I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on November 29, 2016, 05:12:26 PM
How close to Marvel Cave is this construction?  I've always wondered the limitation of construction on the SDC property due to the cave.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 29, 2016, 11:39:00 PM
Can we put a lid on the "insider knowledge" stuff again? It puts us in a bad light when ridership reports are being discussed as if any of us non-employees have any knowledge of them. That goes for all other types of "inside" info as well.

We also need to put a lid on smug attitudes. This is already an awkward hobby, no one needs to make it any weirder by taking what you think you know about intimate park details too seriously.

Remember that we are OBSERVERS, who observe the developments of this park for fun. We don't want to get in the way of SDC/HFEC's business or necessarily reveal how obsessive we really are.  ;)

Rumors/speculation are always fair game, but there's a line somewhere between making educated guesses/observation and just getting the info from a construction worker or something.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 29, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
jericho, the new coaster is currently being built on the other side of Thunderation from the cave. From what I can tell the biggest parts of the cave that you can walk through go back out under the entrance and towards the southwest into the woods. You can see both the entrance crater and the inclined railway on google maps which gives you a good idea of where the major route goes. That whole southwest side seems to be a non-development zone not just due to the cave but also due to bat habitats.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on November 30, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
jericho, the new coaster is currently being built on the other side of Thunderation from the cave. From what I can tell the biggest parts of the cave that you can walk through go back out under the entrance and towards the southwest into the woods. You can see both the entrance crater and the inclined railway on google maps which gives you a good idea of where the major route goes. That whole southwest side seems to be a non-development zone not just due to the cave but also due to bat habitats.

Thanks.  I've been to SDC many times and always wondered what parts of the park were directly above the cave.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on November 30, 2016, 03:49:21 PM
Can we put a lid on the "insider knowledge" stuff again?

Done.  Removed my follow up.  Sorry about that.  Wasn't comfortable in what I posted and regret doing so.  Thanks for the reminder.  Unfortunately I can't remove the quote, so hopefully someone can fix that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 02, 2016, 01:36:59 PM
So the construction wall to block off the construction views from the park is now apparently in place. I guess that means they are ready to go to town on building the station and whatever other buildings will go along outside of it. I'm still guessing they'll wait till summer to start on track.

I can't wait to see it on opening weekend. Next year should be very active for our forums at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 03, 2016, 11:50:27 AM
Just posted a new photo on the FB page. Its nuts to see in person how much clearing and excavation is going on. Not having leaves on the trees really exposes it all. The roadway is clear as day from the porch now - amazing how close it actually was all this time. The space id much tighter than I had been thinking.

I know there are plenty of ways to squeeze a coaster in, but I hope this one isnt terribly short.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on December 03, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
Shave, do you think that will be corrected after construction?  Replace the trees so that the coaster isn't visible?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 04, 2016, 10:30:36 PM
I don't know what their plan is. It's still hard to understand how they are doing all this within arm's reach of their biggest performance venue which they apparently plan to use more and more. I think we can all assume they know what they are doing, but it's still impossible to know hardly anything about how the final product will look like.

I'm still wondering if there will be walls and structures that the coaster will run behind to shield a portion of the noise. A few extra trees at this point won't make a difference. Then again maybe the amphitheater has its days numbered after all and will be replaced somewhere else eventually.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 04, 2016, 10:43:45 PM
Here are a few fresh photos. Not too much different from Swoosh's last update, but from here out I won't mind getting updates as often as we are able to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on December 05, 2016, 06:47:31 AM
I don't know what their plan is. It's still hard to understand how they are doing all this within arm's reach of their biggest performance venue which they apparently plan to use more and more. I think we can all assume they know what they are doing, but it's still impossible to know hardly anything about how the final product will look like.

I'm still wondering if there will be walls and structures that the coaster will run behind to shield a portion of the noise. A few extra trees at this point won't make a difference. Then again maybe the amphitheater has its days numbered after all and will be replaced somewhere else eventually.

I think they'll have to put in some type of retaining wall or something like that to shield the noise from Echo Hollow. I think if it were in the long term plans to remove the amphitheater they wouldn't be putting in brand new restrooms. Instead of putting more money into it, they would just remove it with the construction of the 2018 project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on December 05, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
I know....I know....SDC isn't a typical amusement park.

A lot of amusement parks have coasters running behind there amphitheatres....kind of serving as a backdrop to the stage.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on December 05, 2016, 07:43:30 PM
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I think they'll have to put in some type of retaining wall or something like that to shield the noise from Echo Hollow. I think if it were in the long term plans to remove the amphitheater they wouldn't be putting in brand new restrooms.
Not so sure about that. If EH were relocated they might just keep the restroms there to serve the new area or attraction. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on December 05, 2016, 07:56:29 PM
I was there over the weekend 12/3,4,5.
saw the same as Shave. it was a light rain all Sat into the night, not much going on.
you can see quite a lot from TNT & the back porch of the culinary school.
its really cleared out behind EH. I dont know about these sorts of things, its just hard to believe they can squeeze a coaster in that small of an area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 05, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
Nothing says the new coaster won't overlap TNT a couple times
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 05, 2016, 08:29:26 PM
This area is kind of a paradox in that it is both larger or smaller than it seems depending on how you are looking at it due to the sharp topography and odd layout. There is definitely plenty of room for a coaster, but not one that is drawn out with few crossovers like Outlaw Run. It will have to wind around itself or have a tight out and back layout.

As we've noted before, if you look at the area from just overhead plan view, you could technically fit in another Wildfire or Thunderation with just a bit of smooshing. What makes it challenging/intriguing is that there is probably a 200ft+ difference from the very bottom of the valley to the entrance to Thunderation.

Oh and in case we missed this, Google maps street view has updated to this past August where you can see the construction beginning: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6686957,-93.3358698,3a,52.8y,300.81h,85.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdYMH9paq4g5js8SDSEPATA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on December 06, 2016, 12:00:25 PM
Okay I had a little birdie tell me something. No way of knowing if this is true so take with a grain of salt.

So look at the picture enclosed
The blue circle is the old waterboggin tower
What is being said to me is that the actual station for the new ride will be located in the gren area behind the tower and the ride will lift and drop from the top of the tower down into the ravine crossing over the path! He said the area where the now removed restrooms are is actually for a launch section that will have heavy themeing and what not. He says the need to cross the path and what not is why this isna two season project. Thoughts?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 06, 2016, 12:51:21 PM
My first thought is that I'm kinda doubting it because that would take a bite out of the hollow and make it even more difficult to use during park hours. Plus I know how much of a pain it is to retrofit old steel towers for new equipment (that was part of my job as a structural eit for a couple years). I doubt the tower is suited to hold a new coaster despite our endless speculations over the years. Usually its cheaper to build new anyway.

On the other hand though it matches the tower/plunge aspect of the concept art. It would be super fun, especially if those sections crossing and near the pathways were covered and super themed.

No markers out there yet though... but its something to watch just in case. Anything is possible when they are taking this long.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on December 06, 2016, 06:23:13 PM
Very interesting. I'm not going to be quick to dismiss it even though it is radically different than anything SDC has ever done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 06, 2016, 07:49:30 PM
Okay I had a little birdie tell me something. No way of knowing if this is true so take with a grain of salt.

So look at the picture enclosed
The blue circle is the old waterboggin tower
What is being said to me is that the actual station for the new ride will be located in the gren area behind the tower and the ride will lift and drop from the top of the tower down into the ravine crossing over the path! He said the area where the now removed restrooms are is actually for a launch section that will have heavy themeing and what not. He says the need to cross the path and what not is why this isna two season project. Thoughts?

They would have had to completely changed the plans for this to happen. I think your friend might be getting two projects jumbled together.  The 2018 coaster will be completely contained in the valley. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: straightshooter on December 07, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
Anyone know what this might be about?

Greetings,
 
Please join Gov. Jay Nixon, Missouri Tourism Director Dan Lennon, and local tourism and economic development leaders for a special announcement at Silver Dollar City, tomorrow, Dec. 8th at 10:00 a.m.
 
As a respected leader in Missouri’s travel and tourism industry, your attendance would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thursday, Dec. 8
 
WHO:             Gov. Nixon
                        Missouri Tourism Director Dan Lennon
                        Regional travel and tourism industry leaders
 
WHAT:           Special announcement regarding Missouri’s tourism industry
 
WHEN:           10 a.m.
 
WHERE:        Silver Dollar City – Culinary and Craft School
399 Silver Dollar City Parkway
Branson, MO 65616
*Parking directions will be provided upon RSVP
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 07, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
Can't find any buzz about it online, so probably not anything huge, per se. Definitely not the coaster announcement. Probably something about job growth at HFEC, or some sort of investment in something like solar for the park?

If there are other development leaders present though, it would indicate that it could have something to do with Branson at large though, which could mean something is finally coming to the old Celebration City site?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on December 07, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
I love all the buzz going around about SDC and Branson. Exciting times, people. Exciting times!

I think the announcement has to do about HFEC, otherwise the event would be held somewhere else in Branson. The CC site is a good guess.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 08, 2016, 08:42:32 AM
Seee?  I thought since the governer was involved they just picked the biggest tour attraction in the area, Instead of a large hotel or conference room.  Guess we will find out later this morning
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 08, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Gov. Jay Nixon
I'll be at 1 of #MO's most outstanding attractions -#SilverDollarCity - at 10:45 this am to announce exciting news about #MOTourism @VisitMO

So something that affects MO Tourism on a fairly large scale, and the announcement is at SDC...

They can't already be planning the resort are they?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on December 08, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
Not a resort....no project announcement.  They won an award for hiring veterans. Way to go sdc!  Other than that, it was a bragging session for the amount of tourism dollars spent in Missouri this year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 08, 2016, 11:31:24 AM
Ah, that makes more sense. I knew I must be thinking too big, but the Governor's earlier tweet left much to the imagination. Basically this was a show stop for the Governor, who is in the middle of a final grand tour of the state apparently. Good for SDC and the Herschends for getting the award and hosting the Governor though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 23, 2016, 02:03:36 PM
Here's our last update of the year. 
http://tinyurl.com/SDC2018-dec2016

Some interesting new "land formations" have appeared.

Some things I have heard through the grapevine (take as rumors until the PR release)
- Launched (no chain lift at all)
- 4 carts per train
- spinner
- will go below grade (tunnels)
- will cross ThuNderaTion several times
- parts are starting to show up already (nothing will go vertical until the park closes for the season)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on December 23, 2016, 02:58:05 PM
great pics as always..

interesting "rumors"
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 23, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
Is it wrong to suspect that this thing could open for "preview rides" before next season ends?  That way all the kinks could be worked out before an official new season is touted for 2018, and we avoid the Lightning Rod fiasco.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 23, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
I would be shocked if that happens
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on December 23, 2016, 07:02:25 PM
'Twould be a shame to complete it and not use it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on December 23, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
^I mean, they'll use it... for 2018. This isn't the first time they have decided to take two years to build a new coaster. If I recall, I went on a construction tour of Outlaw Run in August of 2012 and it was practically finished except for the station area.

They seem to like working in spurts. Every time they start, things start flying together and I think they'll go ahead and get something finished, but then they disappear and leave it still for weeks at a time. The clearing happened very quickly, then it was still for weeks. Then the footers appeared and the bathrooms were torn down in the space of a couple weeks or so, and now nothing again... Who knows what kind of spurt they are planning for the off-season.

They could build this entire thing in the space of a couple of months if they really wanted/needed to, but they simply aren't choosing to. They will space things out accordingly I guess.

Tunnels would make me happy. Enclosing large portions would make me even happier. We'll see what materializes over the break.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on December 24, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
Exciting stuff. Just praying it doesn't wind up being an exclusively spinning ride. I would be totally fine with a spinning option. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on December 24, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
I think you guarantee there will only be one option.  The real question is whether it will be free spin or controlled spin like Covra's Curse
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on January 01, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Is it wrong to suspect that this thing could open for "preview rides" before next season ends?  That way all the kinks could be worked out before an official new season is touted for 2018, and we avoid the Lightning Rod fiasco.

"Test Riders Wanted" is what I was thinking might happen near the end of 2017, like they did with TGS. Although I cant remember when they did that. I just remember watching my mom walk up the street to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on January 01, 2017, 08:56:45 AM

"Test Riders Wanted" is what I was thinking might happen near the end of 2017, like they did with TGS. Although I cant remember when they did that. I just remember watching my mom walk up the street to ride.

TGS??  Do you mean Barnswing?  Otherwise you lost me with that abbreviation, and I've no clue what it could stand for.  (even barnswing I had to look up and saw a reference to it as "the great barn swing" so that's why I'm guessing.  Can't say I've ever actually heard someone call it that)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on January 01, 2017, 11:54:32 AM
Yes, TGS= The Giant (Barn) Swing
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on January 02, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
We have actually said that abbreviation alot on this site.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 07, 2017, 06:51:10 PM
I had the day off and decided to take a drive to Branson.  At the end of my mess around day I drove out to SDC to see what I could see.  My Jaw dropped, I took pics with my iphone but it was not focusing at all.  Basically where the had built a little road and curved it around to the right they have now taken that entire hill out. You look from the gates on indian point directly ( allarmingly closly) to the back of the CCS.  The huge footers are being dug right behind echo hollow stage.  I  was really taken back by what I was looking at.  I am the local SDC tree hugger and it really bothered me. It looks clear cut ot me.  I would encourage you if you are out to drive by, Its not pretty at all
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 07, 2017, 07:35:53 PM
Thanks, MH!  That's not encouraging at all, is it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 07, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
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Thanks, MH!  That's not encouraging at all, is it?
I am sorry to sound so negative but they are doing something that I am afraid will be too big for the area.  THe intimacy is gone.  Maybe this is an old thing that nobody cares about but the clear cutting bothers me and they dont seem to be motivated ( Wildfire) to try to replace what they lost.  Maybe they will put up a great building and nobody will notice that SDC is not in the woods anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 07, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Are you talking about this little hill? https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6687914,-93.3357991,3a,75y,318.51h,80.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syHP2154DK9eulZYyrEcKXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Surprising that they would be leveling back there, but they have been moving dirt back and forth and maybe they are taking from the hill to fill in where they need to.

I doubt they will fill much in with trees. Just like Wildfire, its' too much of a liability to have trees anywhere close to a train going 50+ MPH. Plus you have to consider the birds and other wildlife that come closer when there is tree cover. Ideally they would get more creative with the designs and keep the track higher off the ground, but that is a lot of extra cost.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 07, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
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Thanks, MH!  That's not encouraging at all, is it?
I am sorry to sound so negative but they are doing something that I am afraid will be too big for the area.  THe intimacy is gone.  Maybe this is an old thing that nobody cares about but the clear cutting bothers me and they dont seem to be motivated ( Wildfire) to try to replace what they lost.  Maybe they will put up a great building and nobody will notice that SDC is not in the woods anymore.

I agree with you.  That is truly a shame.  I don't want to see the park until I'm in it.  The intimacy is what makes it special.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2017, 09:36:44 AM
I had the day off and decided to take a drive to Branson.  At the end of my mess around day I drove out to SDC to see what I could see.  My Jaw dropped, I took pics with my iphone but it was not focusing at all.  Basically where the had built a little road and curved it around to the right they have now taken that entire hill out. You look from the gates on indian point directly ( allarmingly closly) to the back of the CCS.  The huge footers are being dug right behind echo hollow stage.  I  was really taken back by what I was looking at.  I am the local SDC tree hugger and it really bothered me. It looks clear cut ot me.  I would encourage you if you are out to drive by, Its not pretty at all

MH,  i saw on FB you were in the area..  did you enjoy TOTR? (top of the rock).   
I  also drove past that work area a couple of time at SDC..  amazing how much you can see. I was actually surprised that EH. is "right there"..  I knw it was close to hiway, but just didnt realize..?   Lots of demo and rebuild going on there for sure//
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 08, 2017, 09:59:28 AM
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Are you talking about this little hill?
Yes shave thats "part" of the hill.  Having been to WDW and DL you begin to realize just how important a small hill can be to sightlines SDC does not seem to be concerned with this, at least for now.   That entire area is gone, not just the hill, its hollowed out flat.  To say that you can plainly see the back of Echo Hollow Stage from the road is an understatement.  I bet EH sits less that 200 ft from Indian point and I am being generous .   Its one thing to see the back of a grey building when you are driving by but as far as I can tell the view from the porch is destroyed, unless you want to look at a roller coaster and the traffic lined up for parking.  How do I put up pics on here? I would load up a cpl really out of focus pics so you could see but I am not sure how.  I purchased my pass for this year with pause because I am not excited about the changes to the spring festival, it does not sound like an upgrade to me (Maybe I am wrong, the crowds and responce will tell)  Hopefully this is not another gas light square, I was there for that one........Firemans landing was a one sided structure blocking the outside world, this addition seems to bring it    So is it easy to post pics?
I wish my camera was working properly yesterday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2017, 10:21:47 AM
Are you talking about this little hill?

Thats the right area,yes.  But with the leaves gone, and the additional work being done,  that area looks TOTALLY different.., 


 I may be in town next weekend, will try to get pics and figure out how to post them..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 08, 2017, 11:00:43 AM
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MH,  i saw on FB you were in the area..  did you enjoy TOTR? (top of the rock).   
I  also drove past that work area a couple of time at SDC..  amazing how much you can see. I was actually surprised that EH. is "right there"..  I knw it was close to hiway, but just didnt realize..?   Lots of demo and rebuild going on there for sure//
Had a good time messing around Sandune, needed to get out of town and the afternoon in Branson helped.  I am glad you saw that I was actually going to message you to encourage you to go on one of your trips.   Yes Echo Hollow is right there, I mean I could not believe how close.  The small hill Shave refered to was a damn important hill!  If that was the only block between indian point and EH it sure did a great job.  I am going to go up in a cpl weeks and take the camera and get pics. the sheet they are using does nothing to cover what they are doing and I dont think with the angle they can effectivly block it out.   I dont know about the lot of you but I would much rather watch a show with a forrest as the backdrop to the stage than a coaster.  Whatever those footers are for is going to be big and consume the view.  Once again I am not trying to be negative Nancy here but I dont see the trade off.   I am for expansion but why did Disney buy land in Florida? because the outside world moved in on Disney Land.  SDC looks to be inviting this and working twords it.  SDC would be wise to release some artwork showing what they are going to end up with.   There is not a roller coaster that will replace the serinity and peace of those trees.  They could have placed a coaster elseware to maintain the integrity of SDC.  I think the disconect is that SDC will be open to the outside world, there will be no transition.  The theme will be blown, gone, automobiles lined up while you are looking out the back porch of the  Culinary School.  You can view the oncoming crowd of trafic through the new coaster geared tword teens.  Interesting to think that they would do all of this for a ride that appeals to so few customers, SDC is open 10 months a year.  3 of those months are open to kids because school is out.  I would not request another carosel but there are plenty of rides that adults enjoy with and without their kids.  A rumored launched spinner is sure a small audience.  I would predict 7 months worth of low ridership, if this is the territory that SDC wants to move to I also would predict negative feedback and loss of seasons pass holders and visitors, Memories worth repeting?  I am afraid that slogan may go by the wayside.
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Post by: mhguy77 on January 08, 2017, 11:20:43 AM
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I doubt they will fill much in with trees. Just like Wildfire, its' too much of a liability to have trees anywhere close to a train going 50+ MPH.
  I agree shave, there are also other alternatives to this problem of barron land with a steel coaster sitting in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ5mgjjfaeg

This is the level of theme I expect from SDC.  Add a few trees and some greenery and you couldnt beat it.  Kind of looks to me like a mine as it is.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 08, 2017, 01:30:17 PM
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  Interesting to think that they would do all of this for a ride that appeals to so few customers, SDC is open 10 months a year.  3 of those months are open to kids because school is out.  I would not request another carosel but there are plenty of rides that adults enjoy with and without their kids. 

Kids/Teens = complete family participation, more season tickets, more food, more souvenirs, more overall moneys spent on park.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on January 08, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
The theme will be blown, gone, automobiles lined up while you are looking out the back porch of the  Culinary School.  You can view the oncoming crowd of trafic through the new coaster geared tword teens.

I'm guessing most people who visit SDC don't even go on the culinary porch, or even in Echo Hollow for that matter. I have been to SDC close to ten times and even I have never been in EH or the Culinary School. So the only view change that I'll probably notice is the drive into the park. Tearing out the trees won't hurt SDC. Visitors aren't going to decide not to go to a park because they cut down the trees in one section of the park. And considering this coaster is supposed to be another "first of its kind", that will bring in more people, trees or no trees.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 08, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
I think what MHGuy is implying, and I agree, is that it's hard to keep the illusion of the theme (1880s) when you can clearly see cars travelling up 76.  Of course non of us really think we're in the 1880s but it is part of the fun to imagine you are (roller coasters and other modern rides aside).  :D

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 08, 2017, 06:34:46 PM
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Of course non of us really think we're in the 1880s but it is part of the fun to imagine you are (roller coasters and other modern rides aside).  :D
Very true and suspending belief for just a few moments is something people will pay big bucks for and will go again and again if its quality.  This is a company move, I suggest that this year we will see many changes to the theme and spirit of the park.  I  have my pass, I am ready to see what they have done to improve my experience.  I predict changes and surprises, we will wait to see if they are positive changes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 08, 2017, 09:48:24 PM
Like we've discussed before, that's just the way things are now. There was a time when there was value in keeping the park an isolated, authentic-ish ozark village with little to break the atmosphere from the moment you stepped in to the moment you hit the parking lot again. The park is so much more than that now and market forces are completely different. People will notice the trees missing and think "how sad", but when it comes time to buy passes they are choosing between SDC, SFStL and WOF and the park with the flashiest new rides wins. I think at least some of the PTB will actually be excited to have a coaster be visible to the roadway coming in.

Being "transported" back to the 1880's is a difficult illusion to keep up, and it has gotten near impossible as the park has grown. A lot of the things that have been lost aren't always lost on purpose, but things have to change eventually as people move on and the old-time craftsmen dwindle.

Obviously there's a lot to build, so I'll hold out judgement until we see the completed product. I'm sure they have a plan for how to interact with the hollow and the rest of the park, hence my questioning whether or not they'll build various walls/tunnels/whatever to conceal it at least partially. This thing could end up being full of theming. The email pitches showed a lot of stuff and were pretty in-depth.

We are almost always pleasantly surprised at what they come up with.

P.S. mhguy77, to add a photo to the post, click the "Attachments and other options" title under the posting box when you are writing a new post. There should be some form options and an area that says "Attach".
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 09, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Also remember as you drive by this winter and spring.. the leaves are all gone, so we can see into work zone easily..  next spring when leaves come on, wont be as easy to see in,  and see out to the road..   
will we be able to see the hiway?  Yes,  but we can see it already..

Obviously, time will tell
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 09, 2017, 09:54:43 AM
Its telling that we aren't hearing more from the GP (General Public) asking about what is going on.  I think it speaks volumes to HFE that all of that construction was/is going on without any large outcry from the GP about what's going on.  Of course they maybe taking calls and complaints but it doesn't seem to be boiling up to a point where the GP seems to care that deeply.

I think most of the GP doesn't think about this stuff as deeply as we do.  Remember we are fans (short for fanatics)  They are just there to have fun.  They don't expect to spend the whole day feeling like it's really the past.  They aren't there to experience a history lesson....they just want to create memories with each other and enjoy the attractions.

On one of SDCs recent season pass facebook posts I committed a question on if I'd get a early ride on the new coaster if I get passes next year......no response....lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 09, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
Its telling that we aren't hearing more from the GP (General Public) asking about what is going on.  I think it speaks volumes to HFE that all of that construction was/is going on without any large outcry from the GP about what's going on.  Of course they maybe taking calls and complaints but it doesn't seem to be boiling up to a point where the GP seems to care that deeply.

I think most of the GP doesn't think about this stuff as deeply as we do.  Remember we are fans (short for fanatics)  They are just there to have fun.  They don't expect to spend the whole day feeling like it's really the past.  They aren't there to experience a history lesson....they just want to create memories with each other and enjoy the attractions.

On one of SDCs recent season pass facebook posts I committed a question on if I'd get a early ride on the new coaster if I get passes next year......no response....lol

No doubt.  the "GP" doesnt care.. ::),    we, the fanatics...  LOL,  are the minority..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on January 09, 2017, 06:54:25 PM
Why does have it keep growing and changing?  By that, I mean growing and changing to the extent that the older theming may go the way side. They're obviously doing very well based on the record number of crowds they're pulling in.  How big does it have to be?  How big is too big?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 09, 2017, 07:23:21 PM
^LOL, uh, I guess as big as they can make it? They are in this to make money after all... Eventually they'll add on a resort and things will go into overdrive.

and it's not like the theming is going by the wayside, it's just falling apart, and the new stuff that is added in is made in a studio instead of being pulled out off an old farm or out of an antique store. Such is the march of time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
!------------SPOILER ALERT -------!

Do not continue reading if you do not want to know what the potential name/theme for the ride will be. 

Highlight the ghost text below to see what the trademark filing was.

[TIME TRAVELER]

!------------SPOILER ALERT END -------------!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on January 19, 2017, 03:58:53 AM
Good job with the ghost text.  I'd never seen that technique used before to avoid a spoiler.  I peeked.  Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 19, 2017, 07:24:58 AM


Great Job Swoosh, cool option for the reveal.

I am surprised they went with this.  It was actually the one I thought they were just throwing in for filler.
SDC continues to surpise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 19, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
Ah the good old trademark site with the spoiler as usual. That's public info though, so it's not a "leak" that anyone could get upset about. I don't think we can hide it from those wanting to be "surprised".

As usual the theme all comes down to implementation, which they have always been stellar at. I worry that this theme will get lost in the details and most visitors won't get it. We'll see though - at least it is a daring, bold, and  interesting choice.

At the same time though, be aware that just because a trademark has been filed doesn't mean this is the exact concept they are going to go with in the end. They've trademarked names before that they've never used, and coaster names are often changed before opening, i.e. "The Outlaw" became "Outlaw Run". They could file another name next week to keep their options open, or just to throw us off  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 19, 2017, 10:17:15 AM
"Dragon Run"  Really....????  How does that fit into Ozark themes!!!!! just kidding :P

That was the one I was must excited about from the survey.  Has the most potential for some deep theming and story background.  Though I personal still like my idea of having a ride themed around a failed escape attempt gone wrong from the FM guys would be more fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Ah the good old trademark site with the spoiler as usual. That's public info though, so it's not a "leak" that anyone could get upset about. I don't think we can hide it from those wanting to be "surprised".

As usual the theme all comes down to implementation, which they have always been stellar at. I worry that this theme will get lost in the details and most visitors won't get it. We'll see though - at least it is a daring, bold, and  interesting choice.

At the same time though, be aware that just because a trademark has been filed doesn't mean this is the exact concept they are going to go with in the end. They've trademarked names before that they've never used, and coaster names are often changed before opening, i.e. "The Outlaw" became "Outlaw Run". They could file another name next week to keep their options open, or just to throw us off  ;)

The issue there is the theme didn't change, just the name.  I guess a certain park in Iowa wasn't fond of sharing the name with their woodie. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on January 19, 2017, 01:47:53 PM
Well, I was hoping for the mining theme but this one has a lot of potential. I just hope they theme the entire ride and not just the queue area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 19, 2017, 04:23:02 PM
I guess it's Cedar Fair that usually files the red herring trademarks, but you never know with HFEC either - they like to change their minds all the time in any case. I'd expect this is what they'll go with, but you never know until it's done with them.

The concept artwork for the station in all three pitches was pretty detailed and shows that this thing will have a large thematic station like Wildfire - so that's going to be a plus. The only other thing we know is that it will DEFINITELY have a plunge off a "tower" since they put it on all three pitches, lol. Still not sure why that is such a focus for them unless they are also set on having an elevator lift at one point as well. They show track coming from the other side as well though in all three sketches, so that will probably be an unanswered question until we see more construction photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2017, 04:31:06 PM
Well the station IS vertical...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 19, 2017, 05:46:24 PM
Is this coming out of the GE side or the TNT side of things?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
The station is quite literally where the restrooms for EH was located
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 19, 2017, 08:50:30 PM
How does the rest of the park look?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 19, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
How does the rest of the park look?

I'm not sure what you're asking?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 20, 2017, 07:25:21 AM
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How does the rest of the park look?




I'm not sure what you're asking?
I was wondering how the rest of the park looked.  Changes for the new lights ext.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on January 20, 2017, 07:55:13 AM
How does the rest of the park look?

Still looks like SDC.  Trees.  Buildings.  Rides.  :p
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 20, 2017, 08:04:30 AM
I will be in Branson Next week, Will get pics from the blacktop, the best I can.   

Obviously cant get to close.......maybe  :-\ :-\ ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 20, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
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How does the rest of the park look?
I'm not sure what you're asking?
I was wondering how the rest of the park looked.  Changes for the new lights ext.

Well the treehouse is down now.  That's the biggest change. Sounds like Cannery Road will be safe for one more season.  There might be some other changes coming to the park but they haven't started it yet.
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Post by: mhguy77 on January 20, 2017, 08:03:07 PM
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Well the treehouse is down now.  That's the biggest change. Sounds like Cannery Road will be safe for one more season.  There might be some other changes coming to the park but they haven't started it yet.






I am interested in the Mid Town section and preparation for the lights.  I figure the rest is really going to be par.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Backwards TNT on January 20, 2017, 09:14:40 PM
Mack Rides - xtreme spinning coaster concept  ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 20, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
Mack Rides - xtreme spinning coaster concept  ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8

Ya know, the two different train, one spinning and one that doesn't but offers forward and reverse seating would be what I went for but I guess we get just spinning
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 20, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
^We don't have any idea yet. Could be fixed seats, could be wildly spinning, or it could be a huge surprise and be a completely different concept altogether.

I'm pretty positive most people's hunch is correct though: elements of tech seen on Cobra's Curse will be seen on this ride so that it is a hybrid between CC and what is seen on that video. Likely to be regulated spinning, but that's just the popular hunch at the moment. 

The ability to control seats so they face a certain way during thematic elements just blows open the door to endless possibilities though. With the fun theme they've picked, this could be the most detailed coaster since FiTH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 21, 2017, 08:40:41 AM
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I will be in Branson Next week, Will get pics from the blacktop, the best I can.   

Obviously cant get to close.......maybe  :-\ :-\ ;D
I am going up right around the first for a mess around trip.  I will see what I can take pics of as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 21, 2017, 09:03:44 AM
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Still looks like SDC.  Trees.  Buildings.  Rides.  :p

You noted Trees!! Midtown is getting the Osborn lights and changes would or are being made to support this during the off season.  If you look at the art work you will note that there are many large things up in the air, this brings me pause.  In order to have these things up you need clearence so you can instal it in the first place and for any animated movement.  My suspision is trees and growth has been "adjusted" or removed for this as they probably would not do this mid season.  What will this do to the shade and the character of mid town?  Thats what I am interested in, this is a old area of the park that really captured the SDC feel.  From Marys Spring house down to the woodcarvers (old toy shop) is sensetive and hopefully they have maintained its integrity and character. 
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Post by: Swoosh on January 21, 2017, 09:29:12 PM
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Still looks like SDC.  Trees.  Buildings.  Rides.  :p

You noted Trees!! Midtown is getting the Osborn lights and changes would or are being made to support this during the off season.  If you look at the art work you will note that there are many large things up in the air, this brings me pause.  In order to have these things up you need clearence so you can instal it in the first place and for any animated movement.  My suspision is trees and growth has been "adjusted" or removed for this as they probably would not do this mid season.  What will this do to the shade and the character of mid town?  Thats what I am interested in, this is a old area of the park that really captured the SDC feel.  From Marys Spring house down to the woodcarvers (old toy shop) is sensetive and hopefully they have maintained its integrity and character.

This is probably more of a discussion for the 2017 thread, but I hope you weren't too attached to the Springhouse.  I'll admit, I never ate there in all the years of its existence.  Guess I never will. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on January 23, 2017, 05:24:11 AM
Geez, whats next, are they gonna tear down Snow White's Castle?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 23, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
I always try to give SDC and the PTB the benefit of the doubt. While the trademark info Swoosh shared last week doesn't necessarily guarantee anything, the linkage with the ride concept that was floated last year really worries me from a thematic standpoint. It feels more connected to the major thematic miss of Grand Exposition than the general theme SDC has always sold. I totally understand a mere trademark filing means nothing is written in stone, but I personally hope they don't blow the theming of this new attraction with a major addition that feels completely off-brand from SDC's thematic roots. If this is the name, and it winds up matching what was described in the concept art from last year's survey, I think you can kiss SDC as we know it goodbye. I personally don't feel they've let us down with the attention to detail that's gone into the last several major attractions. However, for me, regardless of detail, suddenly having elements of Ancient Rome thrown in the middle of a 19th century theme park could signal the beginning of an anything goes era for the park. Here's hoping I'm way wrong about it all. I love the idea, but if executed the way it was proposed below, it could be a real shame.

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/1_1461_zpsc85sqxqa.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on January 23, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
I think it sounds funny.   "Suspiciously handcrafted,""all sales final", "no refunds."  Another crazy inventor in SDC.  It's like the 1880s' Silicon Valley.  They could have a live performer getting fed to an atrociously bad steam-powered "automalocomotive" lion. 

But it absolutely should be self contained and hidden.  Besides, the theme would be blown otherwise. I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 23, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
Sounds like some "steampunk theme" may be involved also..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 23, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
I always try to give SDC and the PTB the benefit of the doubt. While the trademark info Swoosh shared last week doesn't necessarily guarantee anything, the linkage with the ride concept that was floated last year really worries me from a thematic standpoint. It feels more connected to the major thematic miss of Grand Exposition than the general theme SDC has always sold. I totally understand a mere trademark filing means nothing is written in stone, but I personally hope they don't blow the theming of this new attraction with a major addition that feels completely off-brand from SDC's thematic roots. If this is the name, and it winds up matching what was described in the concept art from last year's survey, I think you can kiss SDC as we know it goodbye. I personally don't feel they've let us down with the attention to detail that's gone into the last several major attractions. However, for me, regardless of detail, suddenly having elements of Ancient Rome thrown in the middle of a 19th century theme park could signal the beginning of an anything goes era for the park. Here's hoping I'm way wrong about it all. I love the idea, but if executed the way it was proposed below, it could be a real shame.


You do get that is a "snake-oil" salesman and not actually actual Rome, right?   People trying to scam others were quite common during this era as technology was advancing faster than could be documented.  This is not off theme. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 23, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
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I think it sounds funny.   "Suspiciously handcrafted,""all sales final", "no refunds."  Another crazy inventor in SDC.  It's like the 1880s' Silicon Valley.  They could have a live performer getting fed to an atrociously bad steam-powered "automalocomotive" lion. 
Walt Disney World tried there hand at this "Sideshow Theme" and it has a coaster.  Its at the Animal Kingdom and it frankly is a scab that really needs to be picked away.  They did a spinning coaster as well,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvp-7UZ1NA

This is the richest company in the theme park business, I hope that SDC takes a lesson from this card board cut out mistake.  They really need to do this right or don't do it.  I still think the audience is wrong and so limited for the investment.  I always thought when you broke 18 you were done with spinning.....lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 23, 2017, 07:08:28 PM
^That was always such a head scratcher... why would Disney try to pass off a stock model fun fair coaster as a premier attraction at their big new park? Maybe someone got a bonus for cutting costs. If they had gone with a custom layout, specially designed, expertly themed spinning coaster instead though we'd be singing a very different tune.

Like I think I said before, it all comes down to implementation. It's a daring theme and whether or not it "works" with the rest of the park will come down to how the details are managed. This is a park that has a good history of theming and managing details well, so the odds are looking good for it to be pulled off well. I'm sure they won't build a collesium right at the entrance.

It IS something that belongs at SDC though. It fits right in with inventive themes like Dr. Horatio Harris' Wildfire, the American Daredevil Society (or whatever the exact name is), the flooded prison mine, etc... The best rides are the ones that can really sell a story to go along with it, IMO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on January 23, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
Could be fixed seats, could be wildly spinning, or it could be a huge surprise and be a completely different concept altogether.

I'm pretty positive most people's hunch is correct though: elements of tech seen on Cobra's Curse will be seen on this ride so that it is a hybrid between CC and what is seen on that video. Likely to be regulated spinning, but that's just the popular hunch at the moment. 

The ability to control seats so they face a certain way during thematic elements just blows open the door to endless possibilities though. With the fun theme they've picked, this could be the most detailed coaster since FiTH.

Please have a short video on a projector in the ride with the theming.
Please have a short video on a projector in the ride with the theming.
Please have a short video on a projector in the ride with the theming.

Choices are always a good thing, but I hope it has surprizes too that we dont see coming.

Sounds like some "steampunk theme" may be involved also..

Did someone say steampunk?!?!?! Steampunk is always a good thing. Aint nothing wrong with steampunk!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 23, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
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I think it sounds funny.   "Suspiciously handcrafted,""all sales final", "no refunds."  Another crazy inventor in SDC.  It's like the 1880s' Silicon Valley.  They could have a live performer getting fed to an atrociously bad steam-powered "automalocomotive" lion. 
Walt Disney World tried there hand at this "Sideshow Theme" and it has a coaster.  Its at the Animal Kingdom and it frankly is a scab that really needs to be picked away.  They did a spinning coaster as well,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvp-7UZ1NA

This is the richest company in the theme park business, I hope that SDC takes a lesson from this card board cut out mistake.  They really need to do this right or don't do it.  I still think the audience is wrong and so limited for the investment.  I always thought when you broke 18 you were done with spinning.....lol

The dinosaur area is the GE of the Magic Kingdom, but much worse.  It does look like Rome would be propped up haphazardly like in a street fair.  I get the snake oil idea, but I think that would only work in GE, and not in the park proper.  I already feel like I'm leaving SDC when I cross the threshold of the GE.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 23, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
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I think it sounds funny.   "Suspiciously handcrafted,""all sales final", "no refunds."  Another crazy inventor in SDC.  It's like the 1880s' Silicon Valley.  They could have a live performer getting fed to an atrociously bad steam-powered "automalocomotive" lion. 
Walt Disney World tried there hand at this "Sideshow Theme" and it has a coaster.  Its at the Animal Kingdom and it frankly is a scab that really needs to be picked away.  They did a spinning coaster as well,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvp-7UZ1NA

This is the richest company in the theme park business, I hope that SDC takes a lesson from this card board cut out mistake.  They really need to do this right or don't do it.  I still think the audience is wrong and so limited for the investment.  I always thought when you broke 18 you were done with spinning.....lol

The dinosaur area is the GE of the Magic Kingdom, but much worse.  It does look like Rome would be propped up haphazardly like in a street fair.  I get the snake oil idea, but I think that would only work in GE, and not in the park proper.  I already feel like I'm leaving SDC when I cross the threshold of the GE.

You feel like you're leaving SDC when you enter FR because you are.  It's not SDC, it's an Exposition set up at the outskirts of the City. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 23, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
Swoosh, IMHO, your point about GE's connection/thematic purpose is way too esoteric. I don't think the general public connects those dots. Then again, perhaps not enough people among the general public even care enough either way. In any case, yes, I understand the time traveler theme, but for the very same reasons, I think it could be a disjointed theme depending on the execution. I sincerely hope not as I love the idea and have always been fascinated with the subject. As the concept art illustrates roman relics, I simply hope they are very conscious of theme continuity if this in fact the direction they are going. Time travel or not, snake oil salesman, Dr. Horatio's mad cousin, or otherwise, I personally would be disappointed to see anything outside of the period regardless of the "story" intended to be told. Setting the stage with theming and a story as you approach and wind through the queue is one thing, but I wouldn't want to be flying through ancient roman columns on the wooded hillside of an 1880's theme park is all I'm saying. Like I said to open my earlier post, I like to give them the benefit of the doubt, the concept art just makes me a little nervous.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 23, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
Esoteric or not, that's how GE was pitched on the storyboards at the media/press event.
You won't see the Roman cut outs from the park.  Maybe if you look the right way while riding TNT.  The station will feel like it is part of the city with some decor advertising his "invention"
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on January 24, 2017, 03:34:39 AM
If they are indeed going with a time traveling theme maybe they will include a time traveling steam train and create another scientist character and hire someone that is similar to the likeness of Christopher Lloyd to represent him just to annoy Universal Studios. lol  ::)

(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/back-to-the-future-31.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on January 24, 2017, 01:06:08 PM

Like I think I said before, it all comes down to implementation. It's a daring theme and whether or not it "works" with the rest of the park will come down to how the details are managed. This is a park that has a good history of theming and managing details well, so the odds are looking good for it to be pulled off well. I'm sure they won't build a collesium right at the entrance.

It IS something that belongs at SDC though. It fits right in with inventive themes like Dr. Horatio Harris' Wildfire, the American Daredevil Society (or whatever the exact name is), the flooded prison mine, etc... The best rides are the ones that can really sell a story to go along with it, IMO.

^^ Completely agree....if done correctly (which SDC seems to do 99% of the time)...this theme can comfortably fit into the corky Ozark inventor type of scenario that has already been done....and gives them a tons of flexibility to create a story and they could actually make the scenes/theming very campy/cheesy and get away with it because it will be part of the charm.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on January 24, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
They know how to execute. And I love the thought and detail they put into their last few additions. Just hoping when all is said and done, this one proves to be another home run like OR. I think they absolutely knocked it out of the park from concept to theming and of course the ride experience itself. If they can find any way to top it, we're all in for something special. Also anxious to have something significant on that side of the park that may help balance the crowds a bit more and possibly even relieve some of the wait times for OR, PK and WF on busier days. I bet TNT will be seeing longer lives when its new neighbor opens. I can see lots of residual ridership for people not wanting to exhaust waiting for the new ride.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 25, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
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I think it sounds funny.   "Suspiciously handcrafted,""all sales final", "no refunds."  Another crazy inventor in SDC.  It's like the 1880s' Silicon Valley.  They could have a live performer getting fed to an atrociously bad steam-powered "automalocomotive" lion. 
Walt Disney World tried there hand at this "Sideshow Theme" and it has a coaster.  Its at the Animal Kingdom and it frankly is a scab that really needs to be picked away.  They did a spinning coaster as well,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvp-7UZ1NA

This is the richest company in the theme park business, I hope that SDC takes a lesson from this card board cut out mistake.  They really need to do this right or don't do it.  I still think the audience is wrong and so limited for the investment.  I always thought when you broke 18 you were done with spinning.....lol

Hate to be the contrarian here but for what that is, it's done very well and themed well. It is out of place at that park. It would have been a nice addition side companion to a Cars Land at Studios as it fits that 50s, 60s Rt. 66 in the desert theme well. That said the two times I've been there it seems a hit with the kids. You are also comparing a wild mouse, traveling fair type spinner to something that's quite a bit different. And that is what Disney went for as it's supposed to be along the roadside.

It was weird passing a county fair coming down from the 4 corners in New Mexico on old US 666 last summer.

If you hate that you must hate the Toy Story Lands they have done in Paris and Hong Kong. Me, I wished they would have added those themed up flats to the new Toy Story Land under construction at Studios along with that launched coaster and cars land clone ride.
Title: Pics of Ground work for new coaster..
Post by: sanddunerider on January 30, 2017, 10:20:33 AM
Took some pics on sat, had camera problems,  then more pics on sunday before I left town.. so may be some pics that look like duplicates..
Lots of footings,
super structure work going on,
some dirt work, really dont see a patter there yet?
Pics of new bathrooms,
also can see how close new project really is to EH, and TNT.   just several yards away from both..
I will be back in 2 weeks and update the album..

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10210456200912822.1073741929.1578260143&type=3&uploaded=26
Title: Re: Pics of Ground work for new coaster..
Post by: mhguy77 on January 30, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
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also can see how close new project really is to EH, and TNT.   just several yards away from both..
Wow!  They have come a long way in a cpl of weeks.  I hope they at least pour some top soil on the clay and grow some grass.  All the red clay is very disheartening.  Not a lot grows in clay.
Great pics Sand.  Hey is CMI offering a discounted winter rate this year?  I am going up tomorrow
Title: Re: Pics of Ground work for new coaster..
Post by: Swoosh on January 30, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
Lorrie, can we post these photos on MiG?  I might be able to give a little more info on what we are actually looking at in the photos.  I'll give you credit for the photos with whatever name/pseudonym you'd like. 
Title: Re: Pics of Ground work for new coaster..
Post by: sanddunerider on January 30, 2017, 01:47:52 PM
@MHGUY, yes winter rates are in force.  35.00 per night. + tax, probably until  mid march or so....

@Swoosh, yes go ahead and use pics you want to on MIG, credit me as Sanddunerider, since i use that name on different sites anyway. thanks
Title: Re: Pics of Ground work for new coaster..
Post by: Swoosh on January 30, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
@Swoosh, yes go ahead and use pics you want to on MIG, credit me as Sanddunerider, since i use that name on different sites anyway. thanks

Thanks
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 30, 2017, 10:25:24 PM
Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road.

Thanks for the update!

So right now it looks like the construction wraps around TNT, but doesn't go into the "swoop" at all like the initial markings indicated?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 30, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
I don't feel we have enough information yet to determine that. If I had to guess, i think it will avoid the swoop but will crossover around the helix area. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 31, 2017, 07:53:09 AM
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Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road
It really goes that close to the road.  SDC has let in the outside world
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on January 31, 2017, 08:20:05 AM
Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road.

Thanks for the update!

So right now it looks like the construction wraps around TNT, but doesn't go into the "swoop" at all like the initial markings indicated?

No, it is highly visible from the road.  most of the pics were taken at the work entrance gate or about 20 feet inside gate..   with the leaves off the trees, it is wide open..

I do have an adjustable zoom on camera, i shot most of these between 5-10 power...  maybe a little more on the EH pics. so people could see just how close the project is.

The 1 big valley pic i took was actually from the road, south of work entrance, you can see right up the middle of the job

as far as TNT goes.. the work access road goes right next to track.  BUT yes the 2 coasters are going to be nudging each other, if indeed not "intertwining" some what..!!

Your welcome for pics, as i said earlier I will be back in 2 weeks for more pics, then again the first week or 2 in march..  then of course the parke will be open right after that for spring break days,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 01, 2017, 06:00:28 PM
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Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road
I was by yesterday and couldnt get any pics better than Sandune although they have put up a wooden fence along Indian point weekly trying to block the view.  It doesnt work at all. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 01, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
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Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road
I was by yesterday and couldnt get any pics better than Sandune although they have put up a wooden fence along Indian point weekly trying to block the view.  It doesnt work at all.

Wooden fence was there last week..  LOL...  yes, doesnt really help at all!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 04, 2017, 03:32:32 AM
Unless I missed it in another post here is a concept video of the coaster the park is probably getting. The turntable with the optional trains would be a smart move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8&feature=youtu.be

I am assuming the actual coaster will obviously be larger and more extensive and better themed than that. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 04, 2017, 07:07:27 AM
IF that us the right "concept" for the coaster, it wont have the train & spinners, the super structure they are building doesnt look anything like that design.. 

 I do like the turntable idea for less down ttime, The structure they are working on "might" do that,.,

time...and more pics will tell the story..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 04, 2017, 08:13:46 AM
Unless I missed it in another post here is a concept video of the coaster the park is probably getting. The turntable with the optional trains would be a smart move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Kmp0n7L8&feature=youtu.be

I am assuming the actual coaster will obviously be larger and more extensive and better themed than that. lol

No turntable.  No optional trains. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on February 04, 2017, 08:23:38 AM
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Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road
I was by yesterday and couldnt get any pics better than Sandune although they have put up a wooden fence along Indian point weekly trying to block the view.  It doesnt work at all.
 

Wow! I looked at your pics, Sand, but seeing it in person puts a whole new spin on it!  I'm sure they will make it look nice, but I hope it's not too visible from the road when it's finished. And, yes, the fence is worthless.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 04, 2017, 08:41:54 AM
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Wow, is it really that visible from the road, or do you just have a really good zoom lens? Every time I see it EH seems to move closer to the road
I was by yesterday and couldnt get any pics better than Sandune although they have put up a wooden fence along Indian point weekly trying to block the view.  It doesnt work at all.
 

Wow! I looked at your pics, Sand, but seeing it in person puts a whole new spin on it!  I'm sure they will make it look nice, but I hope it's not too visible from the road when it's finished. And, yes, the fence is worthless.

There are several trees still left along the road, severla feet deep..  so hopefully when the leaves come on,  they will shield the ride from the road....  BUT.. LOL..  the scenery around TNT will NEVER look the same!!

Also keep in mind, down in the valley they could still add a tunnel... although there is no indication of that yet, no footings, no concrete,  BUT it could still happen,,,,
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on February 05, 2017, 02:33:25 PM
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How does the rest of the park look?
I'm not sure what you're asking?
I was wondering how the rest of the park looked.  Changes for the new lights ext.

Well the treehouse is down now.  That's the biggest change. Sounds like Cannery Road will be safe for one more season.  There might be some other changes coming to the park but they haven't started it yet.

Is the Ghost Trap still there?  If not I really hope they move it somewhere else.  I love that thing (when it's working).  Another Andyism I'm sure
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 06, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Tonight KY3 ran a story about how SDC will be holding a jobs fair... but that wasn't the interesting part of story.  The interesting part was the photo that KY3 chose to use as background when talking about the story.  I don't think that roller coaster is at the park... yet.

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2017/02/time-traveler-update-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on February 06, 2017, 09:12:35 PM
Interesting...but not putting much stock into it. Could just be a local news outlet finding a random roller coaster picture.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 06, 2017, 09:36:22 PM
Lol, royalty free photos. Just like the vekoma boomerang on some of the wildfire shirts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 06, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Interesting...but not putting much stock into it. Could just be a local news outlet finding a random roller coaster picture.

The issue being this is KY3 and they're not hurting for B-roll footage from the park. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 07, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
Yep, just a stock photo......... 
NOW if they had done a walk through the park...... 
SAAAYYYY  by where the treehouse was.............   
Then we would have had something to look at!!............. 

LOL
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on February 07, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Now even the entrance to my hideout is gone.  Anyone see the huuuuge shooting star night before last?

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02-07%2008.23.39.jpg) (http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/IJSDC1/Mobile%20Uploads/20160603_162741.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 07, 2017, 12:54:29 PM
Yep, just a stock photo......... 
NOW if they had done a walk through the park...... 
SAAAYYYY  by where the treehouse was.............   
Then we would have had something to look at!!............. 

LOL

Like I said. KY3 has no shortage of stock photos from SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 10, 2017, 08:55:56 AM
I will get new pics this sunday, anyone else from the board going to be in town for a show sat night?

I will be going to see The Haygoods of course, and grand country in the afternoon on sat..

The Haygoods have a huge anouncement for Sat night pertaining to the 2017 season , which is their 25th season in Branson.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 10, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
Stuck working, I look forward to your update. Enjoy your weekend Sand!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 11, 2017, 07:13:51 AM
MHguy,  should have pictures posted tomorrow afternoon...

Swoosh, Same as 2 weeks ago,  use any of them for update on your other site,
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 11, 2017, 08:32:47 AM
MHguy,  should have pictures posted tomorrow afternoon...

Swoosh, Same as 2 weeks ago,  use any of them for update on your other site,

Cool.  Thanks.  Looking forward to what you are able to capture. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 12, 2017, 02:04:37 PM
Here are the pics from this week......  Thje last 4 pics are taken from the employee access road to the south of construction site, looking to the north..

The rest were all taken from the east work entrance on the blacktop. I was in inside the open gate 60 or 70 feet.. looking westward and back and forth.

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10210456200912822.1073741929.1578260143&type=3
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 12, 2017, 11:32:06 PM
Great photos.  I've taken your best and added commentary and that update is now online at MiG
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on February 13, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
Man I can't wait to ride thunderation and see the progress in person.  Great pics
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jtudor on February 13, 2017, 09:23:21 AM
Similar to what's seen on Disney forums, has there been a layout drawn onto a satellite image of the area to get an idea of the scope? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 13, 2017, 01:32:07 PM
Great photos.  I've taken your best and added commentary and that update is now online at MiG

Swoosh,  checked it out,, good job as always, you are dead on the description....!

Will try to get another set of pics in a couple of weeks.!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on February 13, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
Similar to what's seen on Disney forums, has there been a layout drawn onto a satellite image of the area to get an idea of the scope?

Look back on the boards...been a few overlays from google earth on where the lot is they are building on.  I don't think there has been any confirmation on the maker and coaster type yet.....just a bunch of speculation based on the survey's SDC sent out and the grapevine. 

So the I assume the layout is isn't known yet.....but.....I'll 2nd this question by asking.....is anyone mapping out the footers and station to try to draw a layout?  Connect the dots without instructions....?



Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 13, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
So thinking outside the box here but also looking at how the footers are lining up.  I think there will be a long launch that will go into some type of inversion - I'm guessing a form of an Immelmann loop that connects to that big support that I pointed out in the two updates and then it might loop around towards TNT.  Now the two big footers there by TNT I think are going to be supports for a large vertical loop.  They are too beefy to not be something that will need to distribute force downward.  So, again thinking outside the box - could this be an interlocking inversion?  How cool would that be!

Looking at the footers in the trees, I think there are two different paths here.  Maybe two different curves of track?  The footers over by the exit of the TNT tunnel I am at loss for.  We will need some more footers to be filled in before I can even guess.

Watch me be way off, but that's my educated (? - ok that's questionable) guess on what may be happening.

Shoot we still don't even know what flavor or Mack coaster this will be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 13, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
Great photos, although I have a feeling one of these days they are going to come after you if you get any closer sanddunerider.  ;D

The huge footers are really intriguing to me as well. Definitely lends to either inversions or vertical segments.

That's going to be a mess of track before too long.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 14, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
Great photos, although I have a feeling one of these days they are going to come after you if you get any closer sanddunerider.  ;D


Shave, I know your right. Maybe we should start donations for "Bail" fund, just in case ::)

Actually most of these pics are taken from just inside the construction fence. you can see most of these from outside the gate..  LOL.   The BIG footers, cant be seen from the road, i did have to step inside the gate for them..  the southern view was taken from access road, from the car..
I would like to add that 2 of the construction gates were actually open...... BUT i resisted driving or walking down there, and stayed on the perimeter... LOL..

However I do have a pretty good zoom lense on the camera. That makes a huge difference. 8) 8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on February 14, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
So thinking outside the box here but also looking at how the footers are lining up.  I think there will be a long launch that will go into some type of inversion - I'm guessing a form of an Immelmann loop that connects to that big support that I pointed out in the two updates and then it might loop around towards TNT.  Now the two big footers there by TNT I think are going to be supports for a large vertical loop.  They are too beefy to not be something that will need to distribute force downward.  So, again thinking outside the box - could this be an interlocking inversion?  How cool would that be!

Looking at the footers in the trees, I think there are two different paths here.  Maybe two different curves of track?  The footers over by the exit of the TNT tunnel I am at loss for.  We will need some more footers to be filled in before I can even guess.

Watch me be way off, but that's my educated (? - ok that's questionable) guess on what may be happening.

Shoot we still don't even know what flavor or Mack coaster this will be.

So you're saying they are recreating the Orient Express?  Of course I'm joking but I'd be good with that!!!!

Wonder how much more land moving they have to do?  I still can't get over how early they started this project....they could seriously build out a 'basic' coaster to open up for this year at this rate....makes me start to imagine that they need extra time for the theming build.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: npd652 on February 20, 2017, 05:23:13 PM
Isnt Pandemonium at Six Flags similar to the ride you all think SDC is building. Pandemonium is a spinning coaster is it not?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 20, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
Isnt Pandemonium at Six Flags similar to the ride you all think SDC is building. Pandemonium is a spinning coaster is it not?

I think it's only similar in the fact that both should have spinning seats.  Other than that there is very little in common with the two
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 21, 2017, 08:12:39 AM
Making an unscheduled trip to Branson tomorrow,

Swoosh I will try to get more pics.. Any specific shots you or anyone else want?  It will have to be from the blacktop or the construction gate.  I am sure they will be working, LOL., So i may not be able to get quite as close...

Any pics in town??/ I heard that BIGFOOT super structure is going up.. I will get pics of that..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 21, 2017, 10:13:10 PM
Making an unscheduled trip to Branson tomorrow,

Swoosh I will try to get more pics.. Any specific shots you or anyone else want?  It will have to be from the blacktop or the construction gate.  I am sure they will be working, LOL., So i may not be able to get quite as close...

Any pics in town??/ I heard that BIGFOOT super structure is going up.. I will get pics of that..

Just be careful.  I don't want you to get into any trouble.  I would strongly recommend not going into the employee parking area again.  It sounds like they weren't very happy about that and I might need to take those shots down. 

I'm curious about Bigfoot so if you get a chance to do a trip down the Blvd that would be great. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 23, 2017, 02:01:51 PM
Here you go, all pics taken from the hiway.. They are working on a new Massive front gate.. I couldnt get very close,had half of the highway blocked off for equipment.  I intended to go back early this morning, but the fog was too dense to see anything.    Check out the Super structure loading and launching, it has doubled in height.. 3 weeks before the new season starts!

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/photos_albums
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 23, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
lol, I wonder if the gate was planned that way or if it's just them reacting to your drive-bys.

This station is going to tower over everything even though it's halfway down the hill fro the park itself. They definitely wanted to keep the station, maintenance, and everything else contained in a small footprint due to the topography. I'm just hoping there's room for details.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 23, 2017, 06:23:28 PM
lol, I wonder if the gate was planned that way or if it's just them reacting to your drive-bys.

This station is going to tower over everything even though it's halfway down the hill fro the park itself. They definitely wanted to keep the station, maintenance, and everything else contained in a small footprint due to the topography. I'm just hoping there's room for details.


I dont know, but i would think secruity...  the park will be open in 3 weeks and everybody will be able to see whats going on from the Culinary building ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on February 24, 2017, 01:08:23 PM
With the size of that building it makes me wonder if it is gonna have an elevator lift directly from the loading platform followed by launch? Something similar to Powderkeg? That would be pretty cool to see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 24, 2017, 01:40:09 PM
lol, I wonder if the gate was planned that way or if it's just them reacting to your drive-bys.

This station is going to tower over everything even though it's halfway down the hill fro the park itself. They definitely wanted to keep the station, maintenance, and everything else contained in a small footprint due to the topography. I'm just hoping there's room for details.


I dont know, but i would think secruity...  the park will be open in 3 weeks and everybody will be able to see whats going on from the Culinary building ;D

AND of course from TNT!!!,    and Echo Hollow seats... 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: straightshooter on March 03, 2017, 01:02:35 PM
Silver Dollar City confirms 'single biggest thing ever done' is under construction

Aerial shots...

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/business/2017/03/03/silver-dollar-city-confirms-single-biggest-thing-ever-done-under-construction/98496960/
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 03, 2017, 02:07:28 PM
that is a good picture, kind of puts what i have been seeing into prospective.... 

massive project....  wow.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 03, 2017, 02:24:58 PM
Those are some great shots in that article, thanks for bringing it to our attention. SDC is turning on they hype machine - I wonder what else they have cooked up leading into the reveal...

LOL @ "BARKE" though. That would be almost hilarious if this ended up being a Lucky themed coaster.

The footprint on the station is now visible. Kinda looks like it will drop out of the station into that ravine?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 03, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c8d8fe2351d0318380d2465d55afe59861f11af7/c=209-0-3478-2458&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/27/Springfield/Springfield/636238131923031258-Hernandez-SDCConstruction-03.jpg)
Seeing it from this perspective and without sounding like a complete nerd I am kinda really wondering about those tiny footers littered around the hillside if this ride might be something else completely. They seem to be in the same style as the ones seen on TNT or a wooden coaster. Those are not the large square footers of a traditional steel coaster. Would they really put in yet another wooden coaster back to back? Granted they might not yet be poured by the construction crew, but it wouldn't explain the smaller ones already there. Perhaps a Hybrid structure to fit with the 1880's theme? See example photos below.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/32/64/4c326418c1f7b9e8ceaeddb3d3b8e2a4.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/coasterhub.com/wp-content/uploads/image5.jpg?resize=640%2C480)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on March 03, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
Wow, great article and the aerial views really show how massive of a project this is. Kinda worried about "Barke" and "Top Dog..." although I won't jump to any conclusions. Just seems weird is all I'm saying.

I think we are in for a major surprise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 03, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
I will be down this weekend 1 more time for fresh pics from the hiway...   Last ones before the park opens for the season.. hoping to get closeups of the Super Structure..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 03, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
Wow, great article and the aerial views really show how massive of a project this is. Kinda worried about "Barke" and "Top Dog..." although I won't jump to any conclusions. Just seems weird is all I'm saying.

I think we are in for a major surprise.

Red herrings?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 03, 2017, 04:48:53 PM
Those are definitely not wooden coaster footers...

Keep in mind that spread footings are custom designed based on soil conditions and the individual calculated factored loads for that particular segment. I haven't watched closely, but I'm sure these are more pier-based footers vs. typical spread footings. I know they are working in an area with a lot of voids and caves, so they are probably deeper than they look and go into rock. Also, the aerial view distorts how big these things actually are. Some of them are huge.

It would be fun to be surprised though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 03, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
Those are definitely not wooden coaster footers...

Keep in mind that spread footings are custom designed based on soil conditions and the individual calculated factored loads for that particular segment. I haven't watched closely, but I'm sure these are more pier-based footers vs. typical spread footings. I know they are working in an area with a lot of voids and caves, so they are probably deeper than they look and go into rock. Also, the aerial view distorts how big these things actually are. Some of them are huge.

It would be fun to be surprised though.


True..  and I know some of the footing that i saw while taking pics were done this way:.    Ground excavated 5-8 feet, footing poured, the forms stripped, then dirt moved back in around footing..  So they my be 6-10 feet deep and you would never be able to tell it by looking at them...  case in point, check my pics, see the big footings next to TNT? they are 6-10 feet deep easy and exposed for now, but will be buried later.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 04, 2017, 07:37:46 AM
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c8d8fe2351d0318380d2465d55afe59861f11af7/c=209-0-3478-2458&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/27/Springfield/Springfield/636238131923031258-Hernandez-SDCConstruction-03.jpg)
Seeing it from this perspective and without sounding like a complete nerd I am kinda really wondering about those tiny footers littered around the hillside if this ride might be something else completely. They seem to be in the same style as the ones seen on TNT or a wooden coaster. Those are not the large square footers of a traditional steel coaster. Would they really put in yet another wooden coaster back to back? Granted they might not yet be poured by the construction crew, but it wouldn't explain the smaller ones already there. Perhaps a Hybrid structure to fit with the 1880's theme? See example photos below.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/32/64/4c326418c1f7b9e8ceaeddb3d3b8e2a4.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/coasterhub.com/wp-content/uploads/image5.jpg?resize=640%2C480)

Nothing wrong with being a coaster nerd around here.....I'd like to see more of us on here.

I doubt it is going to be a wooden structure....their would actually need to be a lot more footers to match that design.  Plus the potential lift structure wouldn't fit with any traditional woodie builds. 

It is really a pretty good mystery at this point what that layout could be and what type of ride it is.

I'm still wondering if the land work is done.  Will there be anymore structures build for theming/tunnels?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on March 04, 2017, 04:36:58 PM
It is interesting.  If you look at these two photos- the work area and what some are thinking it is going to be:
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c8d8fe2351d0318380d2465d55afe59861f11af7/c=209-0-3478-2458&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/27/Springfield/Springfield/636238131923031258-Hernandez-SDCConstruction-03.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/coasterhub.com/wp-content/uploads/image5.jpg?resize=640%2C480)

I'm not sure that it totally lines up.  There seems to be more footers spread around, including looking like a possible turn around some of the trees, than the steel coaster in the image.  While the footers are all grouped at one end, essentially in both, the patterns and quantity have a pretty big variety.

It's certainly got me wondering.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on March 05, 2017, 12:13:34 AM
Apparently the journalist isn't quite up to speed about how to read trademark filings. When I read the article, I was confused by them saying "Top Dog" and "Barke" were filed under the same category as "Time Traveler" because I had just looked up & read the trademark filings a couple weeks ago after we got wind of the "Time Traveler" filing.

So I just went and looked up the trademarks from Herschend again, and I was right; "Top Dog" and "Barke" are not listed under "roller coaster."

"Top Dog" has two filings, one under each of the following categories; "Barke" has a single filing with both of the following listed in the one filing:

1) "Amusement park and theme park services; Animation production services; Book publishing; Entertainment services in the nature of live stage show performances in the nature of plays and performances in the form of musical theater; Magazine publishing; Publication of children's books; Publishing books in the field of motion pictures, television shows and multimedia entertainment content; Entertainment services in the nature of development, creation, production and post-production services of multimedia entertainment content; Entertainment services in the nature of development, creation, production, distribution, and post-production of motion pictures, television shows and multimedia entertainment content featuring animation"

2) "Visual recordings and audiovisual recordings featuring music and animation related to a costumed character"

*****

Now what IS interesting is that there are two new filings.

"Wild Mountain" was filed on February 14, 2017. "Mountain Wings" was filed on February 16, 2017. Both are under the category "ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES IN THE NATURE OF AN AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE, NAMELY, A ROLLER COASTER".

Now THOSE could perhaps be red herrings....?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 05, 2017, 08:24:41 AM
Wild Mountain and Mountain Wings sound more like rides for Dollywood or Stone Mountain as they really play up the Mountain part at those parks and not so much at SDC. 

Some interesting guesses on the whole layout and type of coaster above.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on March 05, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
I wonder if they will enclose the coaster where it gets close to echo hollow
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on March 05, 2017, 02:17:41 PM
i wouldn't be at all let down if it turned out to be a non-inverting hyper coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 05, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
Here you go!  Current pics from this weekend.  Took pics for the open gate area, as they were working on saturday..   there is some massive earth moving going there.. check pics., I tried to tell you what i was seeing on some of them..

Shave, Swoosh,  us any or all pics as you need to..

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10210756589902359.1073741934.1578260143&type=3&uploaded=19
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 05, 2017, 04:09:07 PM
Looks like they are constructing a dive tunnel next to the station with those two big pits they dug out right there. That would be pretty cool.  :) Spinning Mack dive coaster? lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 05, 2017, 04:18:45 PM
Here you go!  Current pics from this weekend.  Took pics for the open gate area, as they were working on saturday..   there is some massive earth moving going there.. check pics., I tried to tell you what i was seeing on some of them..

Shave, Swoosh,  us any or all pics as you need to..

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10210756589902359.1073741934.1578260143&type=3&uploaded=19

Thanks sanddunerider - working on getting them on MiG now.  (also thanks for saving me a trip down - I was totally thinking of going myself until I heard you planned on going. ;) )
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 05, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
So I was talking with Lance from Screamscape and we are both wondering if those stair step footers into that hole will be something like Oblivion or SheiKra.  Remember how all of the promo art in that survey mentioned a huge plunge.  Maybe this is it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 05, 2017, 06:50:23 PM

Quote

Thanks sanddunerider - working on getting them on MiG now.  (also thanks for saving me a trip down - I was totally thinking of going myself until I heard you planned on going. ;) )

Your welcome!  I will be back in 3 weeks for Spring Break,   But by then there will be lots of pictures available.  I am anxious to see what can be seen with a zoom lense from the culinary back porch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 05, 2017, 11:23:16 PM
The best vantage point might be the TNT steps to the station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Sparky on March 06, 2017, 06:59:27 AM
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c8d8fe2351d0318380d2465d55afe59861f11af7/c=209-0-3478-2458&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/27/Springfield/Springfield/636238131923031258-Hernandez-SDCConstruction-03.jpg)
Seeing it from this perspective and without sounding like a complete nerd I am kinda really wondering about those tiny footers littered around the hillside if this ride might be something else completely. They seem to be in the same style as the ones seen on TNT or a wooden coaster. Those are not the large square footers of a traditional steel coaster. Would they really put in yet another wooden coaster back to back? Granted they might not yet be poured by the construction crew, but it wouldn't explain the smaller ones already there. Perhaps a Hybrid structure to fit with the 1880's theme? See example photos below.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/32/64/4c326418c1f7b9e8ceaeddb3d3b8e2a4.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/coasterhub.com/wp-content/uploads/image5.jpg?resize=640%2C480)

Nothing wrong with being a coaster nerd around here.....I'd like to see more of us on here.

I doubt it is going to be a wooden structure....their would actually need to be a lot more footers to match that design.  Plus the potential lift structure wouldn't fit with any traditional woodie builds. 

It is really a pretty good mystery at this point what that layout could be and what type of ride it is.

I'm still wondering if the land work is done.  Will there be anymore structures build for theming/tunnels?


FYI The footer is always buried underground. The square or round concrete that you see above ground is a column that is attached to the footer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 06, 2017, 07:41:47 AM
Quote


FYI The footer is always buried underground. The square or round concrete that you see above ground is a column that is attached to the footer.


Thanks, pretty sure most of realize that.  To those who dont know or understand that, think about an Iceberg..the biggest portion is under water where you cant see it..  same thing with a footer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 06, 2017, 09:46:59 PM
Obviously still anyone's best guess on so many things, but based on the orientation of the footers and what looks to be the station, this is looking an awful lot like it has the unmistakable signature of a dive coaster. All of that digging just in front of the structure and the presence of just a couple of massive footers tiered along the drop seem to signal a nearly straight vertical drop.

I would also like to speculate that the actual loading platform looks like it may live somewhere in the middle of the current structure, but the initial drop will come from the same structure, but well above. Anxious to see if the structure continues to grow, or if it's reached its zenith. I'm also speculating that at least some portion of this ride will travel through darkness, be it tunnel(s) and/or inside a structure including, but not necessarily limited to the structure housing the station. Loving the new possibilities the recent news story and aerial photos have opened for our discussion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 06, 2017, 10:39:26 PM
It would be very cool if this had a vertical drop. The concept artwork didn't seem to call it out as such, but it's definitely something they could have glossed over to save up for a surprise. Doesn't seem like they are preparing to form any steel around that pit though, so if it does have one it'll be exposed - just coaster track and supports. It's still early, but it doesn't look like my hopes for enclosed areas will be fulfilled on this one. Who knows though...

In one of those pits it looks like they are simply backfilling... could be that they hit a void. Happens all the time around here.

I must have been wrong in my assumption about the layout of the station. Looks like the actual loading area is on the EH side judging by the opening they formed. I'm guessing the area being enclosed in those photos is the maintenance level. Still trying to figure out where the queue will go, but I'm guessing by next week it will be more obvious when we see the other side and they fill in a bit more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 07, 2017, 10:37:15 AM
Whatever is in the works, I sincerely hope it's been designed to eclipse the 200 ft mark in terms of height and/or drop. That alone would be a real game changer and draw to the park. Really excited about the possibilities around the theming for this as well. In terms of what the article eluded to with this being SDC's biggest addition "by far", I wonder if Lisa was referring to the investment, the magnitude of the attraction itself, or both?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Wildfire on March 11, 2017, 06:41:19 PM
Tower view from inside SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 11, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
I don't understand what they are doing with that building that it needs to be so big. What could they need that many stories for?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 12, 2017, 12:06:41 AM
I wonder if the lowest level(s) will be utilized by Echo Hollow and then the upper levels are probably maintenance bay, queue line and load/unload station. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 12, 2017, 07:24:12 AM
Whatever is in the works, I sincerely hope it's been designed to eclipse the 200 ft mark in terms of height and/or drop. That alone would be a real game changer and draw to the park. Really excited about the possibilities around the theming for this as well. In terms of what the article eluded to with this being SDC's biggest addition "by far", I wonder if Lisa was referring to the investment, the magnitude of the attraction itself, or both?

I am sure you will see the 200 ft drop..   

as far as Lisa referring to investment.... answer is yes to both.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 12, 2017, 09:18:11 AM
Maybe one of the  levels will be a new restaraunt overlooking new coaster and the TNT area? ::) 

Maybe with closed circuit TV, so you can watch the EH show while dining... ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on March 12, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
Quote
I don't understand what they are doing with that building that it needs to be so big. What could they need that many stories for?
Maintenance area, Gift shop, Q, elevator (if they don't bridge out ) so its ada compliant, my money is on a direct walk onto the load level to avoid this.  I wonder if they will do a viewing area like Wildfire as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 12, 2017, 05:09:00 PM
I think besides the maintenance level and the loading/shop level, the queue line will snake above on a third level. Then you've got your open space at the top for theming/atmosphere/openness. At this rate though they could put a deck on top and charge for access as an observation tower, lol.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: straightshooter on March 15, 2017, 03:59:07 PM
Well, Brad Thomas just tweeted this image...  Wild Mountain?

https://twitter.com/BradThomasMO/status/842116377624338432

http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/what-is-it
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on March 15, 2017, 04:37:09 PM
Well, Brad Thomas just tweeted this image...  Wild Mountain?

https://twitter.com/BradThomasMO/status/842116377624338432

http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/what-is-it

Thank you for posting this, straightshooter! Wild Mountain is one of the titles that Herschend filed a trademark for recently - February 14 of this year, in fact: http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=4804:dik119.2.3
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 15, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Well I think that throws that name out as they're not just going to give up the name that easy this early in the game. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 15, 2017, 05:20:26 PM
Sounds pretty generic at this point.  They haven't excited me yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 15, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
Lisa Rau will be on KY3 tonight in an interview.  They did the interview on the back porch of the Culinary School so I imagine there will be a mention of the construction.  Was told it will be an August reveal. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
Remember that "Mystery Mine" sounds pretty generic too... and it is, but the ride itself is amazing and is still the most ambitious thematic coaster to date from HFEC.

Very curious to see what the Wild Mountain trademark actually is. Will this be the name and theme of the ride after all? Is the other name a red herring or is this one? Do the two fit together? Gotta love the intrigue that they are able to put back into this.



Just a reminder: outright spoilers of attraction details that SDC has not released are BANNED on this site. Construction photos are welcome and encouraged, and trademark watching is open info, but if you were to actually come across blueprints/renderings/inside information - that needs to stay under wraps until the park makes it's announcement. You won't win any prizes for spilling the beans, you'll just be forever shunned in our community.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 15, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
It seems to be in more of a valley than on any one "wild mountain". 

Here we go.....the official start to a very long marketing campaign....lol.  Hopefully a planned campaign could lead the GP and the fanatics like us through a backstory to help with whatever theme is going to happen.

But I'll go out on the limb and guess "Wild Mountain" has a 50% chance of actually being the name.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 15, 2017, 07:00:30 PM
It seems to be in more of a valley than on any one "wild mountain". 

Here we go.....the official start to a very long marketing campaign....lol.  Hopefully a planned campaign could lead the GP and the fanatics like us through a backstory to help with whatever theme is going to happen.

But I'll go out on the limb and guess "Wild Mountain" has a 50% chance of actually being the name.

After thinking about it a little more....I'm predicting "Wild Mountain" will be the name.  Doesn't make sense to spend money to market an attraction name that will change. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2017, 07:32:52 PM
^Maybe, but at this point "Wild Mountain" seems to only be part of a URL so far... so it's not exactly being marketed for anything other than hype purposes... so it could still be the red herring. The Time Traveler theme was already a full mocked-up concept with a logo and everything.

Perhaps they had one theme picked out, but they changed their mind during the process of actually working on the real theming. Maybe it was more expensive than they thought to do a convincing pull-off of the con-man time traveler theme. Or maybe they never actually planned anything to do with the Time Traveler theme at all and it was a red herring from the get go.

Now here's a thinker: maybe the whole concept pitch with the spinning coasters was a red herring... nah, I don't think they're quite up to that level of enthusiast trickery yet.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 15, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
Id still love for it to be a Dive Coaster whether it be the well known people eater made by B&M or a variant of the Mack Big Dipper concept. The style would be a better fit for the park and the "Wild Mountain" name does sound more in tune to HFEC and SDC than "Time Traveler". But hey thats just me. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 15, 2017, 08:45:56 PM
If you missed the KY3 report here are some screen captures with some construction shots and a look at the new TNT entrance
https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2017/03/time-traveler-construction-sdc_15.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 16, 2017, 06:39:57 AM
Swoosh, nice pics as always,, i am ready to be there next sat. to see view for myself.   willl be geting different angles of pictures also
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 16, 2017, 08:30:31 AM
One more thought....

Give SDC credit that they didn't disrespect us (fans and GP) by not acknowledging that something is going on.  How they started this is nice, simple, and exciting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jtudor on March 16, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
Any chance with the building going so big there is a Verbolten style element involved?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on March 16, 2017, 10:11:46 PM
Hmmm, maybe the reason the building is going so high is because it's going to be a mountain structure..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 16, 2017, 11:10:54 PM
Please have themeing as good as Expedition Everest and go backwards... *fingers crossed*

I think the 2 names is because they will both be 1, like "Powder Keg: A blast in the wilderness"

Im thinking something like, "Wild Mountain: Time Traveler Edition"

Maybe even went with more than 1 theme, possibly.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 17, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
Hmmm, maybe the reason the building is going so high is because it's going to be a mountain structure..

Hmm. maybe,,, IF they do that would be a massive amount of work for a loading station... :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 17, 2017, 07:54:57 AM
Any chance with the building going so big there is a Verbolten style element involved?

I've long pined for a drop track at the bridge in a redo of FITH. Posted  ides of Thirteen in England as an example. I'll take one here. Does Mack do drop track elements on coasters?

One of the German parks has a coaster where the lift doubles as a drop tower for the coaster train. That's a Gerstlauer.

I've also pined for a drop Tower/coaster combo where the drop tower is a shift into a mine as part of a queue to the actual coaster station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 17, 2017, 10:07:45 AM
I think it's just going to be a big loading station... the photos are looking increasingly like the loading area will be at the top, so I assume we'll see a drop right out of the station.

I'm wondering if a second structure/tower will rise out of the pit with the massive footers though. Something big is going to use those things.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on March 17, 2017, 12:22:34 PM
Hmmm, maybe the reason the building is going so high is because it's going to be a mountain structure..

Hmm. maybe,,, IF they do that would be a massive amount of work for a loading station... :o

I was thinking multiple attractions coming off the structure. Not just a loading station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 17, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
I think we'll have an elevator lift down a level for maintenance much like what they do on Mystery Mine. 

So in other words....

1. Load
2. Maintenance
3. Maintenance
4. BOH
5. BOH

Fully expect them to use the BOH levels for storage for EH. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 17, 2017, 10:50:05 PM
I think we'll have an elevator lift down a level for maintenance much like what they do on Mystery Mine. 

So in other words....

1. Load
2. Maintenance
3. Maintenance
4. BOH
5. BOH

Fully expect them to use the BOH levels for storage for EH.

So do you think that hat the trains will be stored in one of the lower levels of this building, instead of using a separate garage like WF and PK do?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 17, 2017, 11:26:37 PM
Yes. That has been my assumption for awhile now. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 20, 2017, 11:41:46 AM
Sweeeeeeettt! Cant wait til its open to see it when they bring out 1 more train than they have on busy days, and when they put 1 back.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 20, 2017, 03:10:13 PM
Is there any sign of activity between the station and the fence?  It would seem to me there should be footers on both ends of the loading area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 20, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
There are footers that line up directly with the opening on the station, headed back toward TNT's switchbacks. This picture was taken right at the "don't look over the fence" sign.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 20, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Good pic.. that is just a massive structur... 

I will be there this sat with the Zoom lense.. See what i can catch ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 20, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Major update from Sunday
https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2017/03/time-traveler-construction-sdc_19.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on March 21, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
This is massive. The view of EH with the building in the background really puts into perspective just how large of a project this is. That view looks drastically different now and will even more so in just a couple months.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 21, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
I really hope there will be a pre-ride experience for this thing while in queue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
I really hope there will be a pre-ride experience for this thing while in queue.

I'm wondering if that 2 story open area will be queue area or what. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 21, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
As large as that area is going to be, I look for a gift/souvenir shop in there somewhere..   there are lots of square feet to be used up..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2017, 08:14:55 PM
As large as that area is going to be, I look for a gift/souvenir shop in there somewhere..   there are lots of square feet to be used up..

I kind of want it to be somewhere where Poke Salad Mary's is so that it can carry both TNT and SDC2018 merchandise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on March 23, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
Wow seeing this structure in person it's amazing!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 30, 2017, 11:46:13 PM
Based on everything I have seen and read about so far I am thinking it is gonna be similar to one of these Mack coasters. Perhaps a combination of both.

Lost Gravity Big Dipper Coaster
https://youtu.be/EijuHCTpcAo

Helix Terrain Launch Coaster
https://youtu.be/I8hp7PwjNqs

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 31, 2017, 08:46:54 AM


I kind of want it to be somewhere where Poke Salad Mary's is so that it can carry both TNT and SDC2018 merchandise.
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That could happen, at this point Poke Salad Mary's will be open this year and will be open through the end of the year...  It could easily be remodeled off season into a souvenir shop.. although I wonder if it would be "big" enough for the PTB to represent both the coasters.. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 31, 2017, 09:30:21 AM
Based on everything I have seen and read about so far I am thinking it is gonna be similar to one of these Mack coasters. Perhaps a combination of both.

Lost Gravity Big Dipper Coaster
https://youtu.be/EijuHCTpcAo

Helix Terrain Launch Coaster
https://youtu.be/I8hp7PwjNqs

Except with spinny chairs, of course. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 01, 2017, 11:28:04 PM
If you missed it - Brad posted some photos to Facebook today
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/04/time-traveler-construction-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 02, 2017, 02:15:46 AM
I noticed the www.link on the fence changed and "WildMountain" has been replaced with "OverTheFence". Both links are still active and take you to the same web page: http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/what-is-it

Which made me wonder....what if I replace "WildMountain" with "TineTraveler"......so I did, but it only lead me to a "page not found" page.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 02, 2017, 07:16:22 AM
If you missed it - Brad posted some photos to Facebook today
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/04/time-traveler-construction-sdc.html

Nice, they have done a lot of framing since i was there a week ago..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 04, 2017, 09:13:19 PM
I noticed the www.link on the fence changed and "WildMountain" has been replaced with "OverTheFence". Both links are still active and take you to the same web page: http://www.silverdollarcity.com/theme-park/what-is-it

Which made me wonder....what if I replace "WildMountain" with "TineTraveler"......so I did, but it only lead me to a "page not found" page.

Jay

Yeah, I was wondering about this myself. Why bother with the Wild Mountain thing if it's going to be instantly replaced? Unless it was a red herring to mess with enthusiasts? Or maybe someone thought the wildmountain thing was too confusing? Probably just stops them from being harassed with "what is wild mountain?" questions from people who have no idea what is going on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 04, 2017, 09:27:14 PM
I think it was supposed to be a red herring.  I'm still convinced that the ride will be called Time Traveler andhave heard nothing to change that opinion yet. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 08, 2017, 01:11:54 PM
Added a few cell phone shots to the FB page. The building will be all closed in by the time they start building track apparently. So much work and concrete going on in the gully. Something HUGE is going to be supported there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 10, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
I am very curious what the final rendering will be for this structure. This is a sky scrapper for SDC standards. Did they even have buildings this tall in the 1800's??

At first, i honestly thought this structure would be themed to a mountain, due to its sheer size, but the box shape isn't going away, and now you can see windows being placed. Its just HUGE, so what will the story be to compensate its size in an 1880's Ozark village? (i know, i know...its not Miss Mary's time anymore).
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 10, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
Added a few cell phone shots to the FB page. The building will be all closed in by the time they start building track apparently. So much work and concrete going on in the gully. Something HUGE is going to be supported there.

Lots of concrete going into that hole..  I still think that will be the launching point....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 10, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
Looking at your pictures on Facebook, this one has me scratching my head.....

Look at the two openings on the right. I would guess these are the maintenance openings for storage, etc. (just a guess though). These openings also line up with what we think is the loading platform to the left.

Now, if we enter the ride using the top platform and top level, and you look at the top of the openings to the right......there isn't much room for a train to set on top of the track and line up with what we think is the loading platform. I guess the train could sit very close to the top of the track (like a wing coaster) and it still work......or we enter the ride in the level below (but why have the floor opening on the top level if that was going to be the case {unless the track goes there?}?

So my guess now is we enter from the lower level or have a coaster that sits very close to the top of the track (wing coaster).....

Also looking at topographical maps, I'm guessing the dive out of the station could be around 150' (if they do some earth work) if they do massive earth work (tunnel) it would be greater. Then they could have a launch or second lift and big drop to get us back to the station.......didn't someone say this would have a 200' drop?

Jay



Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 10, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
Here is our photo update of Project 2018.  Some similar to what Shave posted, some angles he didn't get.

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/04/time-traveler-construction-sdc_9.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 10, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
So talked with Lance Hart tonight and we are both in agreement that this will utilize the same set up as Lightning Run where the maintenance bay is right under the load station.  There is an elevator lift right before the station that lowers to let the train down a level. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_xhdpimeI4

That however leaves the question on what those other holes are for. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on April 13, 2017, 09:44:32 AM
Watching that video, without saying any bad words, all I can say is wow. I never thought that was possible. Its like watching a different kind of model train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 13, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Thats a great video, of course i would like to see more of the mechanics of the lift..   But the idea could easily work on our application..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jtudor on April 13, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
Has anyone given a try to outline the path of the footers to get a visual on the track layout?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 13, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
I think we were all wondering at some point if there would be a lift inside the building, but it doesn't appear that way at this point. I agree that it will probably be outside the station... It's going to be a tight fit to get the entrance in there as well, seeing as the track will also be making a turn next to TNT and the entrance doors are two stories up from that side. Could be on the other side for all we know though.

^It would be VERY tough to come up with an accurate layout based on the footers at this point. You could certainly try, and come up with all sorts of possibilities, but I'd rather just wait for track. It's not like there's a line you could follow, they are just kind of packed in all over the place out there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on April 13, 2017, 03:09:19 PM
So talked with Lance Hart tonight and we are both in agreement that this will utilize the same set up as Lightning Run where the maintenance bay is right under the load station.  There is an elevator lift right before the station that lowers to let the train down a level. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_xhdpimeI4

That however leaves the question on what those other holes are for.

After looking at the building up close today (sorry, no photos.  I was chaperoning a field trip) it looks more to me like there may be access under the track in the station, but the two holes on the side look pretty clearly to be bays for trains and a maintenance room.  They are on the same level and equivalent in size to the entry into the station, while the space under the loading platform would be a bit cramped.  They also are only open on one side- the side you can see from Thunderation's queue.  They're completely closed off on the other side.

it's early, and it's possible either of us are right, but as they are closing in the sides of the building, I don't think the storage bay is going to be underneath.  It's either that or those openings are going to be for the queue itself to enter.  But they also look like they are being walled off from the actual loading platform, so I'm not sure that works either.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 13, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
FYI, Google Maps has been updated with the construction site!!!

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 14, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
Visited the park finally as of today. Grabbed lots of pictures and video of the site, the latter which I will also post up once its done processing. Some pics have things which were already seen by prior posts and known about and some that have not. They have most of the station walled up and a roof added. Saw them working on some large footers and digging out a large pit. Likely the start of a possible dive tunnel or something of that nature from what I can tell.

Full album is here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10154620136647232.1073741868.503502231&type=1&l=3790575160

VIDEO: https://youtu.be/5Jun1KVBX0k

Points of interest for speculation:
0:42, 2:45, & 3:20  Large square footers. (Assuming they are for large ride elements or inversions.)
1:17, 1:32 & 3:07 A very large square pit is being dug out. (A possible dive coaster-esque tunnel element being constructed?)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on April 15, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
A little bit off topic

I've heard it's a joke among employees to tell people that they're building a Dollar General or the World's Largest Dollar General
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on April 16, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
I had a couple ask me on Thursday if SDC was building a hotel. We were standing at the Echo Hollow entrance watching the construction. I told them it was a new ride. Then they asked if it was a new indoor ride; they want a new indoor ride (me, too).
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 16, 2017, 01:38:13 PM
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they want a new indoor ride (me, too).
Every signature ride thats worth its salt to the entire family is a dark ride.
I agree, bring on the dark ride, covert the plunge to a dark ride, its in need of love as it is.  No need to lose the final plunge just work on the first 95% of the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on April 16, 2017, 07:43:30 PM
I've been wanting a new dark ride forever. It is something SDC is definitely lacking. Maybe this new coaster has some dark ride elements but it still won't really satisfy the need for those rainy days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 16, 2017, 08:45:42 PM
^Unfortunately there's no obvious signs that any of the coaster will be indoor... maybe a small tunnel or something could be built somewhere, but nothing in terms of actual building sized elements to go through. I have of course been pushing for more dark rides and coasters with thematic elements for a long time now... just isn't what's marketable yet I guess. I think the tide will eventually shift towards quality over quantity, and perhaps this coaster is one of the very last frontiers for "world's first".

I'm kinda surprised at how simple the roofline seems to be. The concept art showed a much more... interesting building than this giant box. We'll see what it looks like with all the details added though, but so far I'm not seeing much that is intriguing other than that this will be a big coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 16, 2017, 10:35:22 PM
Shave referred this to being a big coaster however I wonder how big.  A poster earlier pointed out you could see the new ride on the updated google earth file so I checked it out.  I have seen the work in person last fall and winter but on google earth when you compare space, powder keg is as big, even outlaw run has a good footprint.   Even if we use the cost of the new ride against wildfire in 2001 dollars (14 million).  With inflation I bet it would cost 20 million to build wildfire today.  The new ride also took more earth work.  Will this be a long ride or another 1 minute coaster?
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 16, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
I think a lot of the cost is due to how much cement they are having to use for the footers.  There's no bedrock here.  It's almost all fill, so the footers are much more beefy than if it had been built somewhere else.  FTR they ran into the same issue with PK and have had to beef up the footers retroactively over there to avoid slipping due to the fill
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 17, 2017, 08:37:10 PM
Check this photo out of Oblivion's station. https://rcdb.com/12050.htm#p=55483 and https://rcdb.com/12050.htm#p=57506

It is similar to the set up of what is being constructed. Could we have one of these "smaller" dive coasters? Or does that just not fit with anything that has been leaked?

I could imagine an initial dive out of the station, a couple of "loops" back and forth in the valley, then a final climb and  200+ foot dive back into the station.....

I know that it doesn't fit with what we've been lead to believe, but.....could the earlier rumor of "dive" coaster actually been the real thing?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 17, 2017, 09:22:36 PM
^^ I will say these footers are deceptively large (and of course the 6 story station) which is in line with the statement saying that this will be the biggest thing ever done for the park. If you see my video you can see how big they truly are when you see one of the workers walking past them, as for Oblivion I didn't realize B&M changed their footer design from the large square ones that they usually use. (see Wildfire's) I had always thought when the B&M speculation started a couple years ago that their next coaster would be a larger version of Baron 1898 and it would have been tied into the Grand Expo. https://rcdb.com/12083.htm

However Mack does have a newer coaster type which is the Big Dipper (Lost Gravity) that they might be wanting to expand on and further develop. https://rcdb.com/aadybra https://rcdb.com/aadycfa https://rcdb.com/aadycba
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 17, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
^^Assuming the Mack rumor has any validity, perhaps a comparison to Lost Gravity is more in order: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DlVqrrMr74 

Seems to be a similar width to the station.

My hunch is still that they are going to try out the spinning cars for the big marketing angle, but if that falls through and the ride is fairly unpopular after a couple seasons they could easily switch out for the wide cars. I absolutely do not expect them to do both at once.

mhguy77, even though it's a "big" coaster, it's not necessarily going to be super long. They rarely make long coasters these days. More cost efficient to focus on the big elements and let it hit the brakes hard leaving the audience wanting more. Who knows though, with block sections and potential launches or holding drops it could last a couple minutes. There are certainly a lot of footers, so who knows how much track they plan on shoving in there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 17, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
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They rarely make long coasters these days. More cost efficient to focus on the big elements and let it hit the brakes hard leaving the audience wanting more.
All good points. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 18, 2017, 08:08:37 AM
those are some great pics SDC, I will be there next weekend, looking forward to seeing the change, will take pics of course...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 18, 2017, 09:18:00 AM
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More cost efficient to focus on the big elements and let it hit the brakes hard leaving the audience wanting more.

Shave I wonder if this is one of the reasons behind the lack of more dark rides.  Could this be a cost issue? 
I would think that building a FITH these days would be pretty expensive.  Not that I want a new FITH but to apply that expense to a swamp monster or some such dark adventure, it may be cost prohibitive to do it and do it right.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 18, 2017, 09:58:01 AM
It's all about ROI and a flashy new coaster is much easier to market than a dark ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 18, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
Unless we are missing something significant, it looks very hard to dispute that this coaster will be diving right out of the station. The shape of the openings at both ends of the building also seem consistent with the wider style trains found with dive or wing coasters. Those openings may mean nothing in terms of the style of actual trains that run through them, but we can only speculate based on what we can see right now. Regardless, I still don't believe this coaster will feature a spinning cars element.

Not sure if this has been shared here yet, or not, so my apologies if this is redundant, but see the video below of Helix. This is a $30 million Mack launch coaster opened in 2014 in Sweden. It also features a drop right out of the station, but not in a traditional "hold and dive" sense. Aside from the entire layout and ride experience looking phenomenal, the second launch element looks incredible. The theme is obviously the inverse of what we would ever see at SDC, but I could get on board with something like this in terms of the ride itself. Who knows?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30TRPu7zmQo


Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 18, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Nice video,   Looks like that could easily be a "brother" to what SDC is getting..  I am not the coaster guru, that many of you are.  But the basics and logistics of the track running back and forth above and below other track....   yea, that could work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on April 19, 2017, 10:13:57 AM
Unless we are missing something significant, it looks very hard to dispute that this coaster will be diving right out of the station. The shape of the openings at both ends of the building also seem consistent with the wider style trains found with dive or wing coasters. Those openings may mean nothing in terms of the style of actual trains that run through them, but we can only speculate based on what we can see right now. Regardless, I still don't believe this coaster will feature a spinning cars element.

While the station is wide, the other entries for the train into the maintenance area aren't.  Certainly not in a way that would allow winged coaster cars through those openings.  So it's not going to be a winged coaster or anything like that.  Even the openings for the track aren't built in such a way to support such coaster trains.

I'm agreed with you on the drop out of the station.  It sure looks like that's what they are designing, or close to it. I don't see anything that would indicate one way or the other on spinning cars though.  That we will have to wait and see on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on April 21, 2017, 10:54:36 AM
The 1st pic is of what it looks like now. It looks like they made a line with a long 2x4 of where the switch track will go back to.

2nd pic, I outlined in red where the switch track will go, based on where the line is, where the loading track will be placed, and where the trains will be parked in the maintenance bay. The reason why I did this and posted it here is because if this will go the way I think it will, they are going to run out of room. The green line is where I am 90% sure the track will go for bringing the trains in. Yellow line, they could bring it in that way, but I see no footers or dirt moved to prove that it will. The problem is, I dont know of a way they are going to make this happen without running out of room. They could put the switch before the green line as it makes a 180° turn and run 3 tracks into the station, but that will cause headaches and take more time to bring out/put away trains. Does anybody have a theory of how this will work without running out of room, considering what work has been done and where the footers are?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
Could the final brake track rotate 90° and align with openings to put the trains away in the maintenance bays?   I honestly do not see another way to do it. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 21, 2017, 01:31:16 PM
Dewaye, it's going to come around the "green" side next to TNT. They aren't going to run out of room lol. Some of the columns will be practically touching TNT by the looks of the footers. It's very much squeezed in.

I'm going to guess that there will be a switch track that lifts up or rotates to channel the cars down into the maintenance bay. Arrow did that on a few of their rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/04/time-traveler-construction-sdc_22.html

Looks like we have shingles going up on the side of the station now.
Also is there going to be a facade on the side facing the TNT queue?  Why else are there beams sticking above the roofline of the station?

Still say that the maintenance bay will be going BELOW the station.  I think those other two holes are for cosmetic purposes and when thematic elements get added here in the next few months it will make more sense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 23, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
So I did some searching and this is what I think the transfer track is going to be like for Time Traveler.  This is Pegasus at EuropaPark which is also built by MACK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMVcfn0Hys
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Wildfire on April 23, 2017, 07:01:11 PM
It's possible it is for a facade.  But that is common to put boards up like that to steady the first truss untill they get all of them up and stabilized
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on April 23, 2017, 07:35:29 PM
So I did some searching and this is what I think the transfer track is going to be like for Time Traveler.  This is Pegasus at EuropaPark which is also built by MACK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMVcfn0Hys

Still doesn't work with those other 2 openings that look like entries for transfer track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 24, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
So I did some searching and this is what I think the transfer track is going to be like for Time Traveler.  This is Pegasus at EuropaPark which is also built by MACK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMVcfn0Hys

Still doesn't work with those other 2 openings that look like entries for transfer track.

You mean those two openings with a steel beam running across them?  Do tell.

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 24, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
I originally thought those two openings were going to be the entrance somehow with a big ramp up to them. Didn't see the steel beams at the time. I guess some sort of faux window/theming is the only thing they could be.

That raises the question again of where queue/entrance is going to be. Still seems like that general area is going to be queue, but perhaps there is going to be a small extension of the building somewhere that is yet to be built for the entrance. What I'd really like to see is a deck on the other side for observation - like Wildfire.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on April 24, 2017, 09:25:43 PM
So if the storage is below the loading area, like Pegasus, would they be able to put two (or three) trains down there at the same time?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 24, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
I think a lot depends on how long the trains will be.  If this is a spinner, 4 pods is probably max length so they might be able to put two trains down there.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 25, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
So I did some searching and this is what I think the transfer track is going to be like for Time Traveler.  This is Pegasus at EuropaPark which is also built by MACK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMVcfn0Hys

Still doesn't work with those other 2 openings that look like entries for transfer track.

You mean those two openings with a steel beam running across them?  Do tell.

I know you have a lot more inside knowledge than most of us, but the location of that steel beam looks to me like it would be there to support something heavy. A steel beam of that size usually isn't constructed to hold a façade, or window, etc........Now what is it going to support? I have no clue, could it be for maintenance track inside the building? Could it be there to support ramps? Anyhow in a short period of time (next couple of weeks) I think this will become clear...

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 25, 2017, 06:35:56 PM
I'm not sure how many of you are aware of who(m) Carr Excavating is, but they are the local firm that does most of the work for SDC (and a lot of Branson project for that matter).  Long story short, they provided some photos from ONSITE of the construction and we have shared them on our website. 

The photos really do provide some needed clarity and also shows just how big these footers really are.
Take a look here.  I went ahead and attached the label Carr Excavating to all of those posts to the blog for easier viewing.

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/search/label/Carr%20Excavating
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 25, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
Great pics Swoosh,  footers by new restrooms are huge, will be there saturday, try to get pics...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 25, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Whoa! I am curious to see if this will also include several tunnel elements and enclosures like TNT. I highly suspect with the amount of excavation going on it will.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 26, 2017, 06:11:20 AM
I honestly think all of that excavating is for the footers.   There's no bedrock in this area so the footers are having to be bigger than normal to prevent eventual slippage due to settling.   They've learned a lot from PK.  They've had to go in numerous times over there to re secure footers to prevent slippage. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 26, 2017, 07:21:07 AM
I honestly think all of that excavating is for the footers.   There's no bedrock in this area so the footers are having to be bigger than normal to prevent eventual slippage due to settling.   They've learned a lot from PK.  They've had to go in numerous times over there to re secure footers to prevent slippage.

Thats very true,,
I also wonder though, IF, since it is up in the "corner" of the project if there will be a big turn? Pivot? or something else. Those footers are obviously going to support some major weight
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 26, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
Assuming we have more than three months before any official announcement and nearly a year prior to this new ride being open for the 2018 season, what I'm most curious about is whether or not what we see thus far is indicative of 100% of the ride's footprint. Clearly, just the excavating work and footer placement is accounting for the lion's share of the construction given the issue with little to no bedrock. But erecting the track and finish work shouldn't take that long. We've already been told this will be SDC's largest project to date..."by far". We've already discussed how this could be interpreted in various ways. I'm just wondering how much of the full picture is already in front of us.

Comparatively speaking, if you look at the satellite image of SDC, based on current footer placement, the physical footprint of this pending coaster looks like it would make it the smallest in terms of square footage, or acreage. Despite the fact that there's still an pretty sizable amount of land extending toward GE, I would assume all of the tree removal and major excavating work has been done in preparation for footer work and track. Or is it? Regardless, I realize the footprint isn't necessarily a perfect indicator of physical size given the fact that this ride could pack a lot of twisting and turning into a more confined layout. I will say, regardless of how this ride plays out, I am also worried as others have noted that it may take on a similar feel to that of WF with it being in a very bland and open surrounding environment. For me, that is the only thing that kept WF from being a special ride. The fact that they simply cleared a path and plopped a coaster in the empty space leaves much to be desired for me. With all of the tree removal that's already taken place at the new site, I just hope they don't wind up doing something similar.

I've always been hopeful that SDC would bring a hyper coaster to the park at some point, but based on what I'm seeing right now, I'm too confident that's even possible with what we're seeing thus far with this new ride. I'm excited nonetheless, but it's somewhat tempered given the current unknowns.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on April 26, 2017, 11:19:23 AM

Still doesn't work with those other 2 openings that look like entries for transfer track.

You mean those two openings with a steel beam running across them?  Do tell.

Very curious indeed.  I notice that large steel beam they've added is also on a similar height to the wood beams crossing the other opening- actually has a wood beam at the same height level as what we agree should be the loading station.  Don't know if that's related or not.  It's just really hard to say at this point. 

Let's be honest- the way that it sits right now, that area with the two openings doesn't make a lot of sense compared to what we're used to if it's not maintenance bays or the queue- and it's not set up for that at all.  Really, it's nearly impossible right now to figure out where the queue is going to go to get in there.  There's no support structure to put the bay above the station, so that's not happening.  And below it I doubt as well since there are those wood beams crossing it just like in the other side two openings where they added the steel beam, which you can see pretty clear in http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/04/

The next few weeks are going to be revealing, I think, and let us see just how much all of us were wrong.  lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 26, 2017, 01:48:42 PM
Well those wooden beams were put in when they were framing.  I imagine they were being used to support the frames and will be removed once the flats are installed. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 26, 2017, 11:26:08 PM
Will be there saturday, try to get pics...

Cool and thanks. This is a WOF update weekend for me so I was wondering how I was going to be able procure photos of this week's progress.  That'll work out great.  You might consider Sunday instead though due to weather. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 27, 2017, 07:47:52 AM
@ Swoosh.  no problem can do both days if need be...

Any particular views? you prefer?...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
The usual views are great.  You might peek over the wall by the new EH restrooms once it opens. 

Are you going to swing by the projects on the Strip too?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 28, 2017, 07:56:59 AM
Are you going to swing by the projects on the Strip too?

LOL.  Of course I am!..   Will for sure get pics of Bigfoot area, (which should be almost complete),  and the new mountain coaster..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 28, 2017, 08:05:44 PM
I'm looking forward to it too. I love how quickly things are coming together right now. This station is transforming weekly, Bigfoot is almost done, and the new mountain coaster came completely out of nowhere and is almost finished. Next month is going to be pretty exciting.

Those excavation photos are a great find. Some of those footers are ridiculous even accounting for the bearing conditions. There are going to be some massive elements on this thing, but there's no telling what they could be yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: jericho on April 30, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
Does anyone think there is ANY chance of this new ride going through Marvel cave or its tunnels?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on April 30, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
Does anyone think there is ANY chance of this new ride going through Marvel cave or its tunnels?

Pretty sure there are laws protecting Missouri's caves
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MoOzark on April 30, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
Does anyone think there is ANY chance of this new ride going through Marvel cave or its tunnels?

No, that is ridiculous. There are no know cave passages beneath that area. It looks to me like the cave might have extended into that area in pre-history. If it did, It has all collapsed and eroded away many, many years ago. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: JJH on April 30, 2017, 09:56:51 PM
From a practical perspective the answer is no (expense, bad PR, maintenance nightmare...)  This will never happen.   The purely academic answer is, it could be done.  The Missouri cave laws protect the owner from damages and trespassing, and prohibit damaging the water system that the cave is a part of.  If SDC could get permission from the owners to damage the cave, and the operation of the coaster did not damage the water system, it would not violate the Missouri cavelaws.  The big issue are the laws regarding the Federal endangered species act.  Since Marvel cave does contain these species, the impact of the coaster would need to be dealt with.  There are many cases in which construction and use has occurred in environments that contained endangered species (none to my knowledge involving a coaster in a cave), but the process is incredibly expensive.  So the answer to the question is no, the coaster will not be in Marvel cave.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 01, 2017, 08:53:20 PM
Keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times...

Libertybellshoeroombottomlesspitblondie'sthroneserpentinepassagenogginknockerwaterfall...

And then on the second inversion...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 01, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Does anyone think there is ANY chance of this new ride going through Marvel cave or its tunnels?

Umm... NO.  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 02, 2017, 10:20:12 AM
Pics from 4-27-17, Not a lot of new details, but it has been raining there for a week or so.. LOL  I did some pretty good pics of west side, from TNT walkway area.  I couldnt  get a shot from the roadway this weekend, no one working..

Swoosh, Shave use them as you need to.

This is a FB link, you will need to be on FB to see

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10211288838128232.1073741941.1578260143&type=3&uploaded=18
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 03, 2017, 09:47:53 PM
Rain is definitely slowing them down a bit, but that's still a lot of progress. Doesn't help that a lot of the crew probably couldn't even make it to the park for some of the past week with all the bridges underwater. Hope none of the footers slid away before they finished being secured.  ::)

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 03, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Should be a good test for the anchors though.  They've gone really deep and wide with the concrete bases of the footers so they should be fine.  Heard rumor that the amount of concrete that is having to be used has gone over initial projections and is one reason the project has been spread over 2 seasons.  It's supposed to be worth the wait though. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 07, 2017, 08:39:31 PM
Just when you think you got this thing figured out - they go and change things up again.
Take a look at what they did to the "mysterious double openings" this week.   ???

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on May 07, 2017, 09:09:05 PM
What if they do this ride like Wildfire and have a maintenance room below the station with another area for train storage?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 07, 2017, 09:58:25 PM
I will add to this, as I was just up there today. The old TNT queue line that was fenced off earlier this year has been removed and appears to be getting replaced with new footers in the process of being poured for the coaster brake run and a possible switch track area. (or simply being prepped for a new queue ramp to the new coaster station as I suspect they are keeping the TNT arch for the new ride)

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18403835_10155268366177232_4390390771984601214_o.jpg?oh=fa3b462427d215156b0dbe639847da89&oe=59B8BECF)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18278751_10155268370352232_2308804362694613712_o.jpg?oh=50b98be88c3c511321e7bb840f3fc263&oe=59772EDD)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18318920_10155268370467232_6925266087448473163_o.jpg?oh=493a0a0d94c5767a91b2a2d0f7d39113&oe=59BA242F)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18279071_10155268370762232_5004798900619840285_o.jpg?oh=5c86462182908a07ed5c843a2aa74219&oe=59786A20)
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18318951_10155268619377232_6216082507699024923_o.jpg?oh=489da7ab2670ee01351d477718cfd982&oe=597785E8)

Getting hard to get shots thru the trees but you can see the wood plank siding they added.
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18341815_10155268440647232_7381301045748435722_n.jpg?oh=0ae3ad9ca71b1cb352df95b8440b00d6&oe=59BAFB22)

Wild Mountain? Huh?
(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18402024_10155268371517232_7050911564953235787_o.jpg?oh=2d0e6f4eebdd17cf620e58a4982a7d42&oe=5988C842)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 08, 2017, 08:06:03 AM
MAN!  this thing is taking huge amounts of concrete..   will be interetsing to see how "long" it is, as in how many feet long the track is...  covering a lot of area, and I am sure will be full of twists and turns....
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 08, 2017, 08:26:48 AM
Great shots! Thanks for sharing.

It really looks like there was a design change or something for the facade. So much plywood has been taken back off, and the rods on top have been cut... Could have been the plan all along, but SDC is famous for starting projects and then cutting them back during construction.

Powderkeg had a bunch of special effects cut, such as the big splash affect/ water tunnel thing after the drop from the lift. TNT was originally supposed to be longer, I thought. Wildfire may have been the only ride that got a perfect station with all the bells and whistles, but I think they were originally planning to add some theming out around the track that got cut? And so on and so forth...

I'm not holding out for anything spectacular in the theming department on this ride anymore. Just doesn't seem like the signs are there, but I guess there is still lots of time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 08, 2017, 08:51:41 AM
I'm not holding out for anything spectacular in the theming department on this ride anymore. Just doesn't seem like the signs are there, but I guess there is still lots of time.

I think your right about the theming, I think we will see heavy theming on west side, maybe south side, and of course some signage inside the building and along the Queue.  other than, i dont expect to see much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Okiebenz on May 09, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
Maybe not much theming after the station because the thing will be so visible from the road?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 09, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
Great shots! Thanks for sharing.

It really looks like there was a design change or something for the facade. So much plywood has been taken back off, and the rods on top have been cut... Could have been the plan all along, but SDC is famous for starting projects and then cutting them back during construction.

Powderkeg had a bunch of special effects cut, such as the big splash affect/ water tunnel thing after the drop from the lift. TNT was originally supposed to be longer, I thought. Wildfire may have been the only ride that got a perfect station with all the bells and whistles, but I think they were originally planning to add some theming out around the track that got cut? And so on and so forth...

I'm not holding out for anything spectacular in the theming department on this ride anymore. Just doesn't seem like the signs are there, but I guess there is still lots of time.

Unfortunately in construction - there are quite a few errors too. The general contractor is usually the only one with a full set of plans and then each "trade" get their own subset or sheets. I've been on so many projects where the contractor has called me out to look at an issue and I noticed they don't even have the right plan sheet for the project (no wonder they couldn't figure out their problem). Sometimes there is a communication issues and then sometimes there are just screw-ups. But as you mention there could be changes too...but I think those doors were a screw up more than a change (if they are indeed train storage/maintenance doors).

The "change" on TNT I remember is the final drop and rise was to be completely enclosed (after the lift was a dive into a mind shaft).

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 09, 2017, 10:46:49 PM
I'm not holding out for anything spectacular in the theming department on this ride anymore. Just doesn't seem like the signs are there, but I guess there is still lots of time.

I think your right about the theming, I think we will see heavy theming on west side, maybe south side, and of course some signage inside the building and along the Queue.  other than, i dont expect to see much.

We still have a long built time left.  I don't understand the conclusion that they have cut theming? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 10, 2017, 01:52:40 AM
Not sure either, but they could have had a change of heart about the theme. Its not as uncommon to happen as many might believe. Either way its still too early to call it and write it off. There is probably still essential structural and infrastructure work that still needs to be done and whatnot. This is a massive station and coaster that is being built.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 10, 2017, 08:18:49 AM
^^Oh, I'm not coming to any conclusions yet, but the apparent changes in the station and the history of other rides I mentioned have me wondering. I'm still expecting some very cool stuff to show up. I'm less hopeful that anything outside the station will end up themed. You'd think there would be more evidence of it by now. Who knows though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2017, 01:48:47 PM
Why would they put up the themed items before the track is even installed?   I guess I'm not understanding why we are so quick to write off the name being Time Traveler.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 10, 2017, 07:44:25 PM
Screams ape reported that the theme, name may change.  It may also be wishful thinking
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Lance just recently noticed the other filed names.  Lance does a great job with his site, but it is far from 100% accurate.  Still convinced it's Time Traveler and the other names are to throw you off
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 10, 2017, 11:00:18 PM
Lance has been slowly getting more and more backlogged over the years with news. We discussed the other filings like two months ago. We also outlined the possibility of Wild Mountain being cheap fall back plan.

I could still see the Wild Mountain thing happening. Word from around the park is that the construction is going over budget and has been a huge headache. Like I said, they've always had to cut back and re-imagine things over the course of each development project.

Who knows though, I'm still keeping my eyes peeled for signs of anything other than a box station and some track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
IF they were going with Wild Mountsin, they sure as hell wouldn't have it on a sign teasing the ride this early in the season
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 12, 2017, 01:54:58 PM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc_11.html?m=1

Fun new topper on the station
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 12, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc_11.html?m=1

Fun new topper on the station

nice!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 12, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Very cool. Really helps make the building envelope more architecturally interesting. Plus that's like another storey on this thing... what is that now, eight or nine stories from the ground on the far side? Is this the first skyscraper station?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 16, 2017, 12:20:49 AM
Going thru some Mack coaster ride thru videos, I am sticking with my theory that SDC will be getting its own version of Helix if this is a Mack. Look at the similarities of the station building layout to whats being constructed so far. And of course most notably the first drop from the station itself. https://youtu.be/zBFbwaFeVl8?t=1m50s

Another odd similarity is that it interacts with an older coaster themed to a train. Some interesting parallels here. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oebLkln06Wc
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DeweyBald on May 17, 2017, 01:52:55 PM
Anybody seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_2BvSkNAs

Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 17, 2017, 02:31:40 PM
Anybody seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_2BvSkNAs

Not even close...... ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on May 17, 2017, 02:39:19 PM
Anybody seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_2BvSkNAs

Not even close...... ::) ::)

I agree not even in the ballpark. Where is this guy coming from on that video ?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 17, 2017, 05:58:29 PM
Lol I hate that video. About as bad and misleading as the clickbait articles that plague social media nowadays.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on May 18, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
I agree, it won't be that.

But it IS what many were saying early on, including some people here.  You know who they are.  :-P
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2017, 11:21:43 PM
I agree, it won't be that.

But it IS what many were saying early on, including some people here.  You know who they are.  :-P

Congrats you know a secret.  Time for the "panties in a bind brigade" to get triggered. 
Let's not start this crap again. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sirwillow on May 19, 2017, 08:48:06 AM
I agree, it won't be that.

But it IS what many were saying early on, including some people here.  You know who they are.  :-P

Congrats you know a secret.  Time for the "panties in a bind brigade" to get triggered. 
Let's not start this crap again.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying there Swoosh.  I don't know what it is any more than anyone else.  I'm agreed that I don't think it's going to be what that linked video thinks it will be.  But it's speculation.

I was just saying for those jumping on it that in the early speculation there were people proclaiming that was what it was going to be.  A couple rather forcefully saying that's what it was, and some of them were here.  And that those who claimed it and are now proclaiming otherwise know who they are.

Don't read more in there than was said. Or is the overly sensitive reaction for another reason?  :-P

Back to speculating...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2017, 02:18:57 PM
I agree, it won't be that.

But it IS what many were saying early on, including some people here.  You know who they are.  :-P

Congrats you know a secret.  Time for the "panties in a bind brigade" to get triggered. 
Let's not start this crap again.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying there Swoosh.  I don't know what it is any more than anyone else.  I'm agreed that I don't think it's going to be what that linked video thinks it will be.  But it's speculation.

I was just saying for those jumping on it that in the early speculation there were people proclaiming that was what it was going to be.  A couple rather forcefully saying that's what it was, and some of them were here.  And that those who claimed it and are now proclaiming otherwise know who they are.

Don't read more in there than was said. Or is the overly sensitive reaction for another reason?  :-P

Back to speculating...

You literally just talked yourself in a circle, but ok
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 19, 2017, 08:37:20 PM
I think it was the fact this is leaning toward being a spinner and if it is, the trains will be similar.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2017, 09:37:28 AM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc_19.html
We should see vertical construction soon.  Supports and other metal components have arrived.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 20, 2017, 10:30:19 AM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc_19.html
We should see vertical construction soon.  Supports and other metal components have arrived.

will be interesting to see this progress..  and how fast it goes..
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 20, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
Got some distance shots of the columns. I'll try to get a few more later. Look like Mack columns? They all kinda look the same to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
If you ride the train and sit on the left side you can get a great glance of the supports as you pass by the lake area. My camera couldnt take photos quick enough to get a good shpt through the trees. They look like typical round columns.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 22, 2017, 12:58:27 AM
Hard to tell from the pics but how big are they? Are they as big as say... the ones used on Wildfire? That could give us clues to the scope of how big this thing is gonna be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 22, 2017, 08:23:48 AM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/2017/05/time-traveler-construction-sdc_19.html
We should see vertical construction soon.  Supports and other metal components have arrived.

Looks like the fences and line that was used on Orbiter.
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on May 22, 2017, 10:50:32 AM
I will be there sunday, will see what I can see... ;) ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2017, 02:50:44 PM
Looks like the fences and line that was used on Orbiter.

Didn't all of that go to Wild Adventures?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 22, 2017, 09:31:52 PM
Hard to tell from the pics but how big are they? Are they as big as say... the ones used on Wildfire? That could give us clues to the scope of how big this thing is gonna be.

I mean, they're pretty typical supports from what I can tell. Not as big as the giant lift hill supports on WF, but they are the same sized used on Helix at Lisberg and all of Mack's other creations. Not saying that they are Mack supports necessarily, but they are the same size from what I can tell. Supports all look the same though...
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2017, 10:40:52 PM
Hard to tell from the pics but how big are they? Are they as big as say... the ones used on Wildfire? That could give us clues to the scope of how big this thing is gonna be.

I mean, they're pretty typical supports from what I can tell. Not as big as the giant lift hill supports on WF, but they are the same sized used on Helix at Lisberg and all of Mack's other creations. Not saying that they are Mack supports necessarily, but they are the same size from what I can tell. Supports all look the same though...

The connectors (where they attach to the footers and track) is where the real differences are at
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 22, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
With some infrastructure components beginning to show up and 10 months still on the calendar until opening day for the 2018 season, this really makes me extra curious how much work really still needs to be done. Are we to assume that all of the excavating work is complete? Are all of the footers in place? Erecting the steel alone can't possibly take several months, especially this time of year. Unless there is still something relatively major we have yet to see, or this ride will involve a game-changing feature that will require significant testing (a la Lightning Rod), I wonder if this ride will be close to complete from a bystander POV when they officially announce the attraction late summer, or early Fall. Definitely love all the guessing, just wish we had something significant and concrete to get excited about. Regardless of whatever manufacturer and type of coaster we're looking at here, I personally hope this winds up being the longest ride in the park. Each of SDC's coasters all have something special about them, but none of them are quite long enough for me. I have yet to visit the park this year so it's hard discerning just how much land this ride will consume and just how much of a layout could fit into the footprint we already know is currently occupied by footers. Can anyone shed any extra light on these points to help out those of us who have not seen the site in person yet?
Title: Re: SDC's 2018 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 23, 2017, 12:52:14 AM
With some infrastructure components beginning to show up and 10 months still on the calendar until opening day for the 2018 season, this really makes me extra curious how much work really still needs to be done. Are we to assume that all of the excavating work is complete? Are all of the footers in place? Erecting the steel alone can't possibly take several months, especially this time of year. Unless there is still something relatively major we have yet to see, or this ride will involve a game-changing feature that will require significant testing (a la Lightning Rod), I wonder if this ride will be close to complete from a bystander POV when they officially announce the attraction late summer, or early Fall. Definitely love all the guessing, just wish we had something significant and concrete to get excited about. Regardless of whatever manufacturer and type of coaster we're looking at here, I personally hope this winds up being the longest ride in the park. Each of SDC's coasters all have something special about them, but none of them are quite long enough for me. I have yet to visit the park this year so it's hard discerning just how much land this ride will consume and just how much of a layout could fit into the footprint we already know is currently occupied by footers. Can anyone shed any extra light on these points to help out those of us who have not seen the site in person yet?

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/df951a7ecc9bc7715e1506a6230c11e167c25a2b/c=181-0-3002-2121&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/27/Springfield/Springfield/636238132882587258-Hernandez-SDCConstruction-04.jpg)
They have even expanded it slightly even from when that picture was taken and its been said that it will eventually overlap into TNT's territory a bit too.

That might help answer your questions, and it will likely either be the tallest or longest coaster in the park for what I am guessing by that statement in this article: http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/business/2017/03/03/silver-dollar-city-confirms-single-biggest-thing-ever-done-under-construction/98496960/