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Title: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
I have a feeling that 2017 is going to be a BIG year for the park. 
Let's use this specific thread for discussion on what *may* be coming for the 2017 season
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on August 13, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
Just based off of Dollywood attractions. Do you think SDC will be getting a wing coaster like Wild Eagle? Not that it's my first choice for a coaster, but it's something different for this part of the country.....and I think would be very popular.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on August 13, 2015, 05:31:24 PM
I still think Fireman's Landing sets up perfectly to add a Firechaser Express type ride- more themed to the 1880s of course.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2015, 05:54:45 PM
I wonder if they'd ever consider putting a coaster on the hill between PowderKeg and Wildfire.  That area seems perfect and hidden enough for another big ride. 

Who knows.  I just want another big ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2015, 06:41:43 PM
I too am hoping for a Firechaser Express style ride for our next major ride addition. Could make sense for 2017, I just have no feeling for how the chain's budget works anymore. SDC seems like it's doing OK, but could be better with all the wet weather. I think FL has been a notable hit for them though.

I wonder when they'll throw a bone to the older demographic again? Other than some shows that were reasonably well received, the last major addition targeted at the older crowd was the Culinary School. I'm really not sure how well that addition has turned out, but I have a feeling it has never exactly been a hit. It was an interesting piece of out of the box thinking though, and I'd like to see them try something new along those lines again. It seems like they were trying to break out of the theme park mold a little with those 2008 additions at both SDC and DW, but neither really seemed to hit it off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 13, 2015, 09:51:40 PM
I don't think shows are the main focus for SDC right now, maybe we'll see some changes to the show lineup in 2018-2019?

Let's just think-
2012- DW gets Wild Eagle (a B&M Wingrider)
2013- SDC gets Outlaw Run (By RMC)
2014- DW gets Firechaser Express (a family launched coaster)
2016- DW gets Lightning Rod (By RMC)
2017- should be SDC's year for a coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
Going off the past - there always seems to be a "show" year the year after a major coaster addition... so maybe 2018 for the show?  I mean Dickens has to eventually come to an end, right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Just based off of Dollywood attractions. Do you think SDC will be getting a wing coaster like Wild Eagle? Not that it's my first choice for a coaster, but it's something different for this part of the country.....and I think would be very popular.

Jay

Hope not, too many good coasters out there without OTSRs, give me a Hyper. The view from a 119'meter Star Flyer would kick lots of a......
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2015, 05:05:58 PM
Going off the past - there always seems to be a "show" year the year after a major coaster addition... so maybe 2018 for the show?  I mean Dickens has to eventually come to an end, right?

Stage version of Rudolph?



I still think Fireman's Landing sets up perfectly to add a Firechaser Express type ride- more themed to the 1880s of course.

Agreed, I'd let Gerstlauer have a go with something a tad bit more adventurous there but still very family friendly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2015, 07:44:19 PM
Going off the past - there always seems to be a "show" year the year after a major coaster addition... so maybe 2018 for the show?  I mean Dickens has to eventually come to an end, right?
Stage version of Rudolph?

You shut your dirty mouth right now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 14, 2015, 08:41:10 PM
Ok, this is 2017, not 2018.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I still think Fireman's Landing sets up perfectly to add a Firechaser Express type ride- more themed to the 1880s of course.

Maybe eventually - right now I want a people gobbling B&M. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on August 14, 2015, 09:47:25 PM
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right now I want a people gobbling B&M.
Im with you but think that a hanging coaster would be great fun.  They could really use the trees and terrain to their advantage. Maybe a mine shaft or 2?
Do they make a hanging coaster?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on August 15, 2015, 01:23:19 AM
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right now I want a people gobbling B&M.
Im with you but think that a hanging coaster would be great fun.  They could really use the trees and terrain to their advantage. Maybe a mine shaft or 2?
Do they make a hanging coaster?

You mean suspended? Yes, they still make them and was past seen getting in on Vekoma's turf with a family suspended. Give me a B&M hyper and I'll be a good boy for a day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 15, 2015, 09:54:08 AM
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right now I want a people gobbling B&M.
Im with you but think that a hanging coaster would be great fun.  They could really use the trees and terrain to their advantage. Maybe a mine shaft or 2?
Do they make a hanging coaster?

You mean suspended? Yes, they still make them and was past seen getting in on Vekoma's turf with a family suspended. Give me a B&M hyper and I'll be a good boy for a day.

Let's compromise and just make a tall terrain hugging B&M wing rider and have it between Wildfire and PowderKeg. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Super on August 15, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
How about using the cave for a ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on August 15, 2015, 05:50:43 PM
I think we'd be pretty upset if the cave was "polluted" with a ride.  There would be conservation issues and habitat issues with doing so, as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on August 15, 2015, 07:14:50 PM
How about using the cave for a ride?

 :o :o :o  uh? NO...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on August 15, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
I am good with the wing rider as long as it's of decent length I haven't ridden it but it seems dw wing coaster is kind of short.  I am not sure if it was the best design choice. Cedar point seemed a better ride but inferior setting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 15, 2015, 09:29:51 PM
Well Wingriders were brand new when WildEagle came out.  Wasn't it only the 2nd one built in the world?   It's better at night.  I imagine if we get one it would be the largest one built to date.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: The Outlaw on August 15, 2015, 09:43:13 PM
Thunderbird at Holiday World blew me away. A launched wing coaster would be a great choice for the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on August 15, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
If we get one, I doubt it will be launched.  Probably traditional lift hill
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on August 15, 2015, 11:25:05 PM
If we get one, I doubt it will be launched.  Probably traditional lift hill

I'd probably rather have chain lift hill than have 1/3 of our roller coasters be launched.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 08, 2015, 06:51:21 AM
I was skimming another forum and a person there who claims to be in the "know" (works at the park in marketing?) said the three kiddie rides (Wings of Wonder, Happy Frogs, and Lady Bugs) will be relocated to Half Dollar Hollar this off season and a construction fence will go up in that location for the 2017 ride.

I'm not sure if they have any credibility, but I wouldn't mind this happening along with an update of the Grand Exposition. Plus it goes right along with things Swoosh as mentioned before too.....

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on September 08, 2015, 07:30:24 AM
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I was skimming another forum and a person there who claims to be in the "know" (works at the park in marketing?) said the three kiddie rides (Wings of Wonder, Happy Frogs, and Lady Bugs) will be relocated to Half Dollar Hollar this off season and a construction fence will go up in that location for the 2017 ride.
I hate to think they will put in a ride that will really expose itself to the roadway and "outside world"   I guess this was already done with the disko ride but still it takes away some of the mystique.  Please don't remind me of what lies beyond the gates when I am inside, it lessens the experience.  In fact do all you can to shield me from it, that's the reason people go to theme parks.  That is one of the major differences between a amusement park and a theme park.  This brings up the question, " what way is SDC headed"?.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 08, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
I was skimming another forum and a person there who claims to be in the "know" (works at the park in marketing?)

I'll give you a hint: not with SDC, but he posts here regularly too.  ::)

I will say that earlier this year I balked at the storm of rumors that have been coming out from behind the scenes, but perhaps I was wrong. Usually when a lot of stuff is being spread around most of it is BS and amounts to employees just spreading rumors and ideas for the fun of it. Apparently there is some truth to a lot of it though with the new CEO doing some shake ups. A lot of change is happening and more is on the way, but it remains to be seen as always what ideas will actually sink or survive over the course of a few years. Take note of the things you see missing from the park these days: all the missing characters, the hillbilly references, etc...

With the resurgence of the GE expansion rumors, one has to wonder if the demolishment of the current amphitheater will happen as well, as was once rumored several years ago. Things have been slowly disappearing from it for awhile now, and it's usage has dropped continuously over the past few years. I think it's a valuable asset, but they could probably build something better that suits their needs better for less than what it would take to renovate/keep up Echo Hollow. Plus that's a lot of useful land for coaster projects.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on September 08, 2015, 10:08:41 AM
Going off the past - there always seems to be a "show" year the year after a major coaster addition... so maybe 2018 for the show?  I mean Dickens has to eventually come to an end, right?

Stage version of Rudolph?

Not if it would replace Dickens. 



Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 08, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
Love the idea of moving the kiddie rides to HDH. I think it would be an upgrade for that area. I have mentioned many things that could happen, including this one, and Im glad I saw this coming a mile away. But, I still think HDH would do better as a peaceful garden park with 2 waterfalls, some benches, and a bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 08, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
IF they move those 3 rides to HDH, that will fill that area up fast., as well as we will loose more of the trees and growth..  There isn't room without doing some demo of tress and surrounding area first. ::)

And then once again, you have ride around the walking bridge, so it is no longer peaceful and serene :'(
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 08, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
Don't know if this confirms anything or not, but I heard that a new bathroom is coming to EH for next season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 08, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
IF they move those 3 rides to HDH, that will fill that area up fast., as well as we will loose more of the trees and growth..  There isn't room without doing some demo of tress and surrounding area first. ::)

And then once again, you have ride around the walking bridge, so it is no longer peaceful and serene :'(

Quite honestly, I'm shocked we still have the bridge. Nearly every time I'm near it, kids are doing what you are not supposed to be doing on it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 08, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
IF they move those 3 rides to HDH, that will fill that area up fast., as well as we will loose more of the trees and growth..  There isn't room without doing some demo of tress and surrounding area first. ::)

And then once again, you have ride around the walking bridge, so it is no longer peaceful and serene :'(

Quote honestly, I'm shocked we still have the bridge. Nearly every time I'm near it, kids are doing what you are not supposed to be doing on it.

That's a good point too, I actually walked over it this last sunday, yep kids!  Bouncing in front of mom and dad... "you kids stop that",   Nope! they just bounced harder and walked side to side..
I hadn't thought about them pulling bridge, it would be missed by seasoned visitors..... But............. ??? ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 08, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Its a SWINGING bridge. Its suppost to swing. If you tell people not to skip, jump, run, sway, or swing on it, then whats the point of it swinging? If they dont want ot to swing, then rebuild it and dont call it the Swinging Bridge. By the way, why do they have signs that say no jumping? I know you cant run in the park but you have to skip or jump on it to make it move. Its not like it will ever fall down. Those cables are very strong and could probably hold for another 20 years. So kids, keep jumping and skipping!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Junior, too! on September 08, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
About 81, during Young Christians Weekend, too many kids overloaded the swinging bridge and started bouncing. It did break. It did not fall, but those kids busted it good. Nobody hurt. It took about a month or so before it was back, repaired, and ready to open, so it can be damaged with misuse.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 08, 2015, 06:29:53 PM
The park always uses really good cables that have very little chance of breaking. I never heard this happened. I started seeing those signs about 10 years ago. Why did they rebuild it if it could fall again. Again, it is called the swinging bridge. Not the, no more than 20 kids bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on September 08, 2015, 06:45:03 PM
Well like with any other man made item, things can break. They have a weight limit for elevators, right? And those run on cables! They can snap. Same with the bridge. If too much pressure/tension is applied to the cables they will give out!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on September 08, 2015, 06:52:23 PM
Its a SWINGING bridge. Its suppost to swing. If you tell people not to skip, jump, run, sway, or swing on it, then whats the point of it swinging? If they dont want ot to swing, then rebuild it and dont call it the Swinging Bridge. By the way, why do they have signs that say no jumping? I know you cant run in the park but you have to skip or jump on it to make it move. Its not like it will ever fall down. Those cables are very strong and could probably hold for another 20 years. So kids, keep jumping and skipping!


Uh...I don't think you get it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
The bridge is a timeless, unique, quaint part of the city that virtually all visitors have fond memories of... but it's old, non-ADA compliant, and requires upkeep without being "marketable" in and of itself, so it's probably on the chopping block.  ::)

I don't know how else they'd fit all three rides in if that is the plan. However, why would they move all three? It makes it easier on everyone if they are spread out a bit instead of being forced to stay in one or two areas all day.

And Laroy, the bridge swings naturally as people walk across it. It's not supposed to be a damn ride like the kids try to make it into. The rules are there so people don't break it again.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 08, 2015, 08:30:43 PM
There are suspended bridges for automobile travel, as well.  They are affectionately referred to as "swinging" bridges, but do not infer that they are meant to sway from side to side or bounce when your car traverses them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 08, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
There are suspended bridges for automobile travel, as well.  They are affectionately referred to as "swinging" bridges, but do not infer that they are meant to sway from side to side or bounce when your car traverses them.

Do they move in some way? Then they do swing. Some move left and right, sometimes to let boats pass.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on September 09, 2015, 06:35:14 AM
There are suspended bridges for automobile travel, as well.  They are affectionately referred to as "swinging" bridges, but do not infer that they are meant to sway from side to side or bounce when your car traverses them.

Do they move in some way? Then they do swing. Some move left and right, sometimes to let boats pass.

Stop, just stop.

There are suspended bridges for automobile travel, as well.  They are affectionately referred to as "swinging" bridges, but do not infer that they are meant to sway from side to side or bounce when your car traverses them.
https://youtu.be/j-zczJXSxnw
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on September 09, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
I will miss the swinging bridge should the PTB take it away. Its just one more thing that would be gone. Pretty soon we will have to have a montage like at the end of Sandlot where the boys are playing ball and then just fade away. Except the attractions did not go on to grow up and do something with their lives. They went to the bone yard to die. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 09, 2015, 11:40:18 AM
Adding fuel to the fire on the bridge being removed...
Sullivan's Mill is supposed to get a new ADA friendly entrance on the side the bridge is on. I don't know how they'd pull that off without removing the bridge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on September 09, 2015, 12:47:20 PM
If they remove the swinging bridge, I hope that they put a covered one or somethng there to replace it. We use that bridge multiple times for cutting across the park, not as an attraction but more like a short cut from TNT to Wildfire, AP, etc.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on September 09, 2015, 01:02:38 PM
Adding fuel to the fire on the bridge being removed...
Sullivan's Mill is supposed to get a new ADA friendly entrance on the side the bridge is on. I don't know how they'd pull that off without removing the bridge.

Not to mention the water wheel itself and the actual working mill. One or the other would have to go, but I assume they'd try to leave the wheel in place for aesthetics. Might as well tear it down too to make room for another coaster.

I feel like it's gotta be more than possible to regrade the front entrance area, but you'd have to stick an elevator somewhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on September 09, 2015, 02:18:30 PM
The bridge is a timeless, unique, quaint part of the city that virtually all visitors have fond memories of... but it's old, non-ADA compliant, and requires upkeep without being "marketable" in and of itself, so it's probably on the chopping block.  ::)

And Laroy, the bridge swings naturally as people walk across it. It's not supposed to be a damn ride like the kids try to make it into. The rules are there so people don't break it again.  ::)

^^^.  Thanks Shave.. ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 09, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
More than that, the rules are to protect the company from being sued by the parents of the brats who disrespect the park by breaking the rules.

Now, back to our program...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 10, 2015, 09:53:04 AM
Does SDC own the land on the other side of Indian Point Drive? 

It would be cool if the could build a coaster over the road to the woods on the other side from GE/Hollow.  Would add to the 'entrance experience' and maybe still keep the riders in the theme park SDC past for most of the ride? 

I doubt that they would get approval to build over a public road though.  Or maybe under it with a tunnel?

Just doesn't seem to be enough room for a major ride in my mind.  Would have to be somewhat condensed or open to either the park or street.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on September 10, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
^That's not going to be a popular idea on these boards. Taking a ride over the road would definitely be leaving the 1880's atmosphere we desire the park to uphold. SDC is a different style theme park than other parks so the entrance experience should be different as well.

Could we be getting a dark ride in this spot? Something like the Ice House concept we have talked about so much?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on September 10, 2015, 03:32:43 PM
The Ice House is something that has never been forgotten among fans who "know" about it.  I would love the Ice House concept and hope the ride would be part dark/part thrill - or all dark would even be preferred by me.  My fear is that it will look too industrial if designers aren't careful.  I would hate to see something themed at SDC that would look like Mr. Freeze at SF!  Something will some steampunk would even be all right, wouldn't it?  Would it have smatterings of the ice maker in Back to the Future Part 3? Would it be acceptable in the place of Flooded Mine and its surrounding area?  I just wonder if the concept is still on the table since so many years have passed since it was pitched.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on September 10, 2015, 04:00:59 PM
I remember the Ice House concept from the survey years ago.  I thought it was great....though a DW Mystery Mine type of ride doesn't seem very family friendly....I'd rather either have to big crazy coaster or lighter nicely themed family experience.

Didn't they have the horse racing concept too? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on September 10, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
The Ice House was SDC's version of Mystery Mine.  That project was canceled.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on September 12, 2015, 09:15:54 AM
Good idea Shave. Maybe an elevator type thing like a dumb waiter system for people or some other type of thing that can go up and down by pulling the rope and getting off at the top, without needing electricity for it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: FireInTheHole on October 11, 2015, 07:25:46 PM
I would like to see 2017 show some remodels on our fav rides.  The FIH and FM need a severe makeover.  I think some new touches here and there would be great for those rides.  I would also like to see more street performers around the park.  It seems like 15-20 years ago there was a lot more busy things to see around the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on October 11, 2015, 08:11:24 PM
If I am not mistaken though, if the PTB dumped too much into either ride they would have to look into making handicapp accessabble functions. Which is not a bad deal. However, it would be costly. Do they want to invest that kind of money into vintage attractions? I dont know. And I could be so wrong on all fronts here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on October 11, 2015, 08:17:37 PM
If and when FITH and FM become condemned, they would rather rip the whole thing out and start over again then to repair and upkeep what is there.  It's going to happen sooner than later. 

2017 is pretty well set as to what is going to happen though.  Projects like this have to be planned several years in advance
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: FireInTheHole on October 12, 2015, 11:50:27 AM
If we can't remodel the classics, then can we at least make the cinnamon rolls and sticky buns a little bit bigger?  You can never eat too many of those things!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on November 20, 2015, 07:23:28 AM
Does SDC own the land on the other side of Indian Point Drive? 

It would be cool if the could build a coaster over the road to the woods on the other side from GE/Hollow.  Would add to the 'entrance experience' and maybe still keep the riders in the theme park SDC past for most of the ride? 

I doubt that they would get approval to build over a public road though.  Or maybe under it with a tunnel?

Just doesn't seem to be enough room for a major ride in my mind.  Would have to be somewhat condensed or open to either the park or street.

FYI, SCD and Herschend doesn't own the land the park occupies, they have a lease agreement. The land is owned by the church and the College of the Ozarks. With that said, the church and the college owns pretty much all of that section including the land on the east side of Indian Point road. Crossing over the road would be much less expensive than crossing under - but you then have to think how this would affect the atmosphere of SDC? I personally think it could build excitement and if signed and themed correctly it could start you on your time warp back to the 1800's as soon as you turn on Indian Point road. Also by extending with a coaster in that direction you have kept the integrity of the core park and not screwed up very much the natural landscaping.

2017 is pretty well set as to what is going to happen though.  Projects like this have to be planned several years in advance

Would it be way off base to think that SDC could be the first installation of the RMC - T-Rex track? This would be something new with a proven company (that has worked with SDC and Herschend before).....The minimum supports required for the track would allow most of the trees to stay and the coaster would blend nicely with the surroundings.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on November 20, 2015, 09:00:41 AM
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Does SDC own the land on the other side of Indian Point Drive? 

It would be cool if the could build a coaster over the road to the woods on the other side from GE/Hollow.  Would add to the 'entrance experience' and maybe still keep the riders in the theme park SDC past for most of the ride? 

I doubt that they would get approval to build over a public road though.  Or maybe under it with a tunnel?

Just doesn't seem to be enough room for a major ride in my mind.  Would have to be somewhat condensed or open to either the park or street.
It would not be a long shot to send a coaster across the road although you would have to enclose the "tunnel" over the road.  That could be done easy enough to keep attention away from what is right there under you.  Just go to Disney, they have water bridges there you don't even realize you have gone across.  BUT  If you look at google earth across the road is a water treatment, sewage? plant.  That being in the middle of that valley between SDC and the campground would be out of theme and hard to hide.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on November 20, 2015, 12:23:02 PM
2017 is pretty well set as to what is going to happen though.  Projects like this have to be planned several years in advance

Would it be way off base to think that SDC could be the first installation of the RMC - T-Rex track? This would be something new with a proven company (that has worked with SDC and Herschend before).....The minimum supports required for the track would allow most of the trees to stay and the coaster would blend nicely with the surroundings.

Jay

I could see SDC getting a TRex style coaster, but I don't know if they would want to get another RMC coaster right away even though OR and a TRex coaster would be completely different. Also, would Herschend want to work with RMC for a coaster in 2016 and a coaster in 2017?  I still would like to see them get a B&M Wing Coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on November 20, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
They aren't going to go over the road with a coaster. They'll never have a need to. It's a fun speculation, but completely out of the realm of reality.

Now the thought of them getting one of the new RMC T-Rex coasters is interesting though. It wouldn't happen soon, but by the 2020's anything could happen. That or any other type of hyper coaster would be the one ride to get me really excited these days.

For those who haven't seen it yet: https://twitter.com/ThemeParkReview/status/666708371605725186/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 12, 2016, 09:47:44 PM
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They aren't going to go over the road with a coaster. They'll never have a need to. It's a fun speculation, but completely out of the realm of reality.

You know on my last SDC Christmas congested slow ride in I did sit in that spot for a few minutes.  You may want to consider that over the road there might be difficulty going under it however would not.  There is enough space under the road and under would allow a mine shaft to maintain the theme.
Are they going to do this?  Probably not, but its fun to think about. And possibly try to build in the new Roller Coater Tycoon game coming out soon.   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on January 18, 2016, 03:55:48 PM
Contract has been signed, site plotted and looks like 2017 WILL be our year for a new coaster!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 18, 2016, 04:26:39 PM
Contract has been signed, site plotted and looks like 2017 WILL be our year for a new coaster!

Yep.  Old news is old. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on January 18, 2016, 04:30:24 PM
Still exciting though, right? I'm stoked for the scale of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 18, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
That was what struck me when I first learned about it.  I'm hoping it isn't overly visible from outside the park but I don't know how it couldn't be
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 18, 2016, 06:11:21 PM
I think the days of having SDC hidden in the woods are over.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on January 18, 2016, 07:14:52 PM
Where is the site? Is there a map to post? Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MoOzark on January 18, 2016, 07:25:02 PM
Contract has been signed, site plotted and looks like 2017 WILL be our year for a new coaster!

Okay, what the heck is this all about? Suddenly, several replies have appeared hinting at something big but no one is offering any details. Does anyone know anything specific about a new coaster? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 18, 2016, 09:01:27 PM
Basically the info you'll be able to get at this time is what mammalone said - but I'll add this is the most expensive project to date for the park. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on January 18, 2016, 09:20:44 PM
Basically the info you'll be able to get at this time is what mammalone said - but I'll add this the most expensive project to date for the park. 

This.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Wildfire on January 25, 2016, 06:06:25 AM
With this being such a large project, will we be seeing construction during the operating season like we did with OR?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 25, 2016, 06:15:35 AM
Considering the original time table called for there to already be construction to be happening, I'd say yes
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 25, 2016, 07:58:14 AM
Expansive? Large? Is our little city growing?? Hmmmmmm wonder what will go into this project? I hope not another section of family rides. That would bum me out. I know I have a child and all but I would like to see something geared towards teens/adults. But on the other hand adults (walking atms) bring their children for fun. And we want to cultivate those children to love our city. And yet its not what it used to be. SO torn.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 25, 2016, 10:22:26 PM
It didn't sound like a new section but a possible retheming of an existing section. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 26, 2016, 07:49:06 AM
I am looking at the map now. My guess is, if they are rethemeing an area, it would be the PK area. Its that dead end that makes me guess that. Much like the way Wilsons Farm was. And with not that many shops/eating places up that way......Is there land that goes that way?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 26, 2016, 07:42:28 PM
Midtownish?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: marolinesdad on January 27, 2016, 02:06:38 AM
I am looking at the map now. My guess is, if they are rethemeing an area, it would be the PK area. Its that dead end that makes me guess that. Much like the way Wilsons Farm was. And with not that many shops/eating places up that way......Is there land that goes that way?

The do have land that direction.   I really think the will re-theme would be the expo area and add new rides. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on January 27, 2016, 07:50:36 AM
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I really think the will re-theme would be the expo area and add new rides. 

I would like to see more adult additions..........maybe I should just be patient.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DollarCityBoy on January 27, 2016, 08:07:28 AM
My guess that the re-theme will be the Grand Expo area.
We've talked about that area a lot before as possibly receiving a re-theming and expansion. Also I remember a rumor about a new ride that would be visible from the hwy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 27, 2016, 08:25:23 AM
If it is the GE area, what do you think they will retheme it to? It does not seem that GE has been there long enough to warrant a retheme. It was just yesterday they built that area!! But a retheme would be something fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 27, 2016, 08:58:09 AM
^^We've postulated before that the next major addition would go in the GE area simply because that's the easiest expansion space right now and it would help balance some from the 'coaster corner' on the other side of the park. A retheme/upgrade would make sense as well since the GE theme is essentially name-only at the moment. I like the concept of the GE theme though, it just needs some actual theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 27, 2016, 09:02:01 PM
If it is the GE area, what do you think they will retheme it to? It does not seem that GE has been there long enough to warrant a retheme. It was just yesterday they built that area!! But a retheme would be something fun.

Please notify Websters that "just yesterday" equals 10 years ago.
Yep!  It's been at the park for 10 seasons now. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 28, 2016, 07:43:59 AM
Hardy har har......websters. But really its been ten years?? Wow. Where has the time gone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on January 28, 2016, 11:13:10 AM
Hardy har har......websters. But really its been ten years?? Wow. Where has the time gone?

I'd tell my wife to her butt and she'd fire back about my waist.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 28, 2016, 05:29:42 PM
Hardy har har......websters. But really its been ten years?? Wow. Where has the time gone?

I mean.  We keep getting farther and farther away from the great past that's just ahead of us.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
I am looking at the map now. My guess is, if they are rethemeing an area, it would be the PK area. Its that dead end that makes me guess that. Much like the way Wilsons Farm was. And with not that many shops/eating places up that way......Is there land that goes that way?

Yes there is land.  Lots of it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on January 28, 2016, 11:42:35 PM
$30-40 investment just blows me away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 29, 2016, 06:48:42 AM
$30-40 investment just blows me away.

He is talking millions - I stated awhile back that the 3rd project would be the most expensive. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 29, 2016, 06:53:05 AM
To put in perspective:
Gatekeeper: $25-30M
Valravn: $15-20M
Banshee: $20-25M
Fury: $30-$35M
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on January 29, 2016, 08:12:26 AM
I'm assuming that type of cost also includes the re-theme of the area. That said I think it's pretty safe to say we might actually be getting that Giga Coaster or a really big Wing Rider. hoping for the giga myself but I won't complain about either! I'm very curious what the new theme for the area will be! Either way we should see ground work fairly early in the season for a project this large.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 29, 2016, 02:07:08 PM
Adding more fuel to the fire... there have been a few tour companies mentioning that 2017 will be a "very good year" to visit Branson to perform and to visit SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 29, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
That's always nice. They did the same thing back in 2012 if I recall. The park always puts out enough info to vendors to get people hyped up and paying attention.

So thinking of potential attractions, the last two B&M wing coasters look really nice. I got to experience Thunderbird for myself this summer and really enjoyed it a lot more than I even thought I would. Flug der Dδmonen in Germany has a really nice looking layout: http://rcdb.com/6667.htm#p=52067

I've mentioned before that I wasn't overly impressed with Wild Eagle. It's OK, but really the highlight of the ride is simply the location. The layout is very meh, like they just slapped wing cars onto the most basic sit-down layout they could come up with. I definitely think it's a case of B&M needing time to perfect the form of the wing coaster and not treat it like just a seating gimmick.

I'd rather see a massive dark ride, a new shopping/craft district, or even a B&M hyper, but it's difficult to see anything else that could be as easily marketed as a Wing coasters right now. But we'll just see. It's usually not what I expect.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 29, 2016, 09:03:16 PM
I'm pretty confident that the location of the ride will make all the difference
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 30, 2016, 03:05:15 PM
What if they put this coaster between Powder Keg and Wildfire - you could put a very large coaster back there and it still not be easily seen from the rest of the park or outside (unless you were at the lake).

I think it would be awesome to put a wing rider that would be a combination of the designs they have now. Imagine a lift a little over a hundred feet with a twist and dive off the edge of the hill into a massive coaster utilizing the hillside....then a launch in the bottom of the valley to bring you back to the top of the hill with some nice inversions to finish off the ride.

Connect the PK area with the WF area helping to reduce some of the congestion in front of the saloon. Of course this would greatly unbalance the park by putting three big coasters right next to each other......

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on January 30, 2016, 03:51:28 PM
The advantage to unbalance is that it keeps the thrillseekers contained in certain parts of the park, theoretically away from the young families and senior citizens, who may not be interested.

Traditionally, the thrill rides have been located in the outer ring of the park, but they may break with that plan to put a coaster in the center of the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on January 30, 2016, 04:44:22 PM
I'm still thinking it's going to have something to do with the Fireman's Landing theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 30, 2016, 05:07:51 PM
I'm still thinking it's going to have something to do with the Fireman's Landing theme.

Not this time.  I do see them revisiting that area some time in the future though
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 30, 2016, 08:05:32 PM
The only reason I could see them adding yet another coaster in the "coaster corner" is if there's some sort of geotechnical concern going on with supports not being able to be dug deep enough anywhere else. Why else would they build up so much over there when you have the area behind GE/FL and the area by Echo Hollow?

It wasn't so long ago that we saw the land between GE and Echo get marked up as if they were planning something huge, and the rumors started flying about a Mystery Mine-like concept, but that all went up in smoke apparently.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 30, 2016, 08:33:53 PM
The only reason I could see them adding yet another coaster in the "coaster corner" is if there's some sort of geotechnical concern going on with supports not being able to be dug deep enough anywhere else. Why else would they build up so much over there when you have the area behind GE/FL and the area by Echo Hollow?

It wasn't so long ago that we saw the land between GE and Echo get marked up as if they were planning something huge, and the rumors started flying about a Mystery Mine-like concept, but that all went up in smoke apparently.

That was back when they planned to remove Echo Hollow.  Now they are investing major money into it.  For example a new access road from Indian Point Road.  They are redoing the restrooms as we speak and there are to be even more improvements.  They are doing this to attract bigger names to perform there.   So with that in mind, why would they want a noisy coaster in that same area?  Seems counterproductive. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on January 31, 2016, 12:53:24 AM
At this point I'm not sure sure where it's going should be such a secret, but I'll leave that up to shave.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on January 31, 2016, 08:00:48 AM
I do not mind having a coaster corner. These things do not bother me. I would hate to see one built over by GE. You can already see some of it from the road the way it is. Again not a HUGE deal but still some disappointment there. Is EH going to turn into a pay event? Do you think a paid ticket or season pass holder will have to pay extra?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 31, 2016, 12:03:50 PM
EH may become a hard ticket venue for some bigger name acts, but that remains to be seen.

Good discussion on TPR right now about what type of coaster this could be and reasons why it could be this or that. 

Regarding "Coaster Corner" - how is that different than Dollywood with TN Tornado, Blazing Fury, Wild Eagle, Firechasher Express - and you could almost count Mystery Mine and Thunderhead too as they are just around the corner
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on January 31, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
The reasons I mentioned the wing rider is because it's a little more family (height restriction) friendly than BM's other types and because that would be different than anything in this area.

Something else that would be different and cause a huge buzz would be the new single rail coaster from Rocky Mountain Construction. https://www.facebook.com/154373424599786/photos/pcb.936529383050849/936529319717522/?type=3&theater (ftp://www.facebook.com/154373424599786/photos/pcb.936529383050849/936529319717522/?type=3&theater)

Swoosh, any chance for something like that?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on January 31, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
^Yeah, the height restriction is a good point that I had forgotten about. That really does tilt the favor in the wing coaster direction for a park like this.

As for the location, DW has things a little bit different because the coasters basically dominate the back of the park, bringing people up either side of the hill that WE is on. That creates more of a loop than at SDC where they are off on random spurs in one corner. I'm fine with it either way, I just assumed they would try to even it out a little. Keeping the coasters "contained" would be good for the heart of the city as far as I'm concerned.

That's some tight spacing over there though. You could put a station behind the waterfall, or even in place of it, but the track is going to have to play with PK and Wildfire a bit. I also wonder how they would be able to fit anything without completely locking out that expansion point. I always assumed they would eventually try to build down that way somehow, but maybe that was out of the question already due to the slope and the land they have on the other side to work with.

I'd hope they would keep the waterfall. It might make a neat queue line area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Sheriff on January 31, 2016, 07:52:41 PM
That is exactly what I have been wondering, as well. We all know they have a lot of land over there but if they put this thing between PK and Wildfire, does that close all that off?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 31, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
If I had to guess I'd say the station area will be past PK's first hill. 
There is a reason why nothing will be out over by the waterfall but I'm not sure how common knowledge it is - so I'll refrain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on January 31, 2016, 08:59:41 PM
I am 99% sure this is a clue to the next coaster. I found it on their FB page.

It looks like a B&M by the restraints, I dont know what kind of coaster it is because I cant tell exactly if the chain/track is straight under them or off to the side, and it looks like it is indoors.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 31, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
It's not a clue
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on January 31, 2016, 09:49:52 PM
They even go as far to say it is just a viral photo
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on February 01, 2016, 05:19:31 PM
As we all know, they want to keep all future rides a secret. They could be lying just so we dont start speculating it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on February 01, 2016, 05:20:40 PM
Or it could really just be a stock photo.  I've seen that photo used in memes. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: joecorn on February 01, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
These kids made their internet debut on YouTube.  https://youtu.be/dBdFe1MY3SQ (https://youtu.be/dBdFe1MY3SQ)
Ride in question is Saw the Ride at Thorpe Park.
Screen grab at around 0:59 went to an answers.com slideshow, and from there, memes everywhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on February 01, 2016, 08:34:22 PM
Thanks for finding that, joecorn! (BTW, I modified your post to fix the link)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 01, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
As we all know, they want to keep all future rides a secret. They could be lying just so we dont start speculating it.

The harnesses for the new ride will not look like that. 
I can confirm it and put an end to this needless speculation
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on February 01, 2016, 08:59:31 PM
As we all know, they want to keep all future rides a secret. They could be lying just so we dont start speculating it.

The harnesses for the new ride will not look like that. 
I can confirm it and put an end to this needless speculation

Thank you!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: getoffmytrain on February 02, 2016, 10:58:22 AM
If I had to guess I'd say the station area will be past PK's first hill. 
There is a reason why nothing will be out over by the waterfall but I'm not sure how common knowledge it is - so I'll refrain.

Swoosh, that's not nice!  :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Sheriff on February 02, 2016, 11:35:07 AM
If I had to guess I'd say the station area will be past PK's first hill. 
There is a reason why nothing will be out over by the waterfall but I'm not sure how common knowledge it is - so I'll refrain.

Swoosh, that's not nice!  :)

I'm pretty sure that the reason was disclosed in a prior thread but don't ask me which thread!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Junior, too! on February 07, 2016, 09:03:14 PM
Could it be the beloved waterfall concrete has aged  to the point it has to be removed, opening up the area for a new coaster?!? Even though I still have many friends on park from the old days I usually don't discuss development plans with them so I can only speculate like everyone else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 07, 2016, 10:25:25 PM
^I think it's a strong possibility that it will get taken out at some point in the not so distant future for one thing or another. We've discussed it before, and it's outlived it's original purpose and is going to turn into a maintenance issue with little reason to keep it around. Personally I wish they'd rebuild it the way it was meant to be and turn the area into a nice food court, but I expect to see a ride plopped in there someday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 08, 2016, 07:44:24 AM
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I wish they'd rebuild it the way it was meant to be and turn the area into a nice food court,
Now that the serenity is gone from the swinging bridge I would think the falls will soon go away.  I don't know why they don't see the value in the quiet spots used to refresh, recharge and break from the action.  The lumbercamp waterfall was always a favorite.  I will hate to see another water feature go away.  Falls outside GM,  Water spraying from the water tank at fith, its time to remove more special mood enhancing touches apparently.  When they are all gone people will scratch their heads and ask what changed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 08, 2016, 09:39:05 AM
I would hate to see such a great feature go. I have memories of being a child and walking behind the waterfall and how cool that was. We love to dine near it today. Its a nice slow calming feature that does help us to enjoy our visit. I would HATE to see an attraction go up there in the waterfalls place. Its just one more special note that will be removed. Sad for sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 08, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
I think many, myself included, appreciate those unsung nooks within the park that are not only aesthetically pleasing, but offer a reprieve from the chaos of the park around them. Unfortunately, those spots will never be a priority because charm doesn't spell entertainment, and entertainment is what gets people to Branson, to the park, and through the turnstiles.

I think the PTB greatly value the character of the park that sets it apart from so many others. However, progress always has a price and sometimes that means changes and additions will often spell the removal of elements that for many were synonymous with their experience and memories at SDC. Most of the park I knew as a kid is gone, and several pieces of the SDC my own kids have already experienced will be replaced in time as well.

This is totally speculative and in no way intended to veer off the subject of 2017 plans, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if in the next 10 years, FITH, FM AP and TNT were all removed to make way for newer improved versions, or something dramatically different.




 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hollwood on February 08, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
I don't mean to sound reasonable or anything... but what if the PTB are noticing that these areas, built in the 50's, 60's, and 70's are literally falling apart? Not built up to code? A danger to employees and guests? If the waterfall were to crumble on an operating day how would that area look? I would rather areas be cleaned up and updated proactively rather than seeing voids mid season. The reason the PTB will not keep these areas is because there is no ROI. It sounds greedy, but the money put into the park has to return a profit. I have never heard anyone say "I bought a season pass because of the waterfall." it may be an area they enjoy, but it is the new stuff that keeps people returning. It is the same reason you do not spend $2000 fixing your 1988 mazda pickup... You use that $2000 as a down payment on a 2016 model.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 08, 2016, 01:49:17 PM
In light of my last post and the subject of this thread, I can only imagine how much different and more fun the park will be 10 years from now. Considering the speculation about SDC potentially undergoing their largest investment to-date for 2017, and what's been added looking back 10 years, I think that bodes very well for the future.

It should be interesting to see what that looks like come 2026. The park has added considerably since 2006, but most of it (although well done and needed in some cases) was pretty vanilla with the exception of TGS and OR. And by vanilla, I'm talking about non-thrill ride attractions. SDC will never be a Cedar Point, but now that the park has two large areas dedicated to "family fun", they're going to have to start dumping some additional funds into really moving the needle on patron engagement. I would think the construction of OR and the exposure it generated were a valuable lesson into what is going to be needed in the years to come to stay competitive. 

Is there any reason to believe that if we are in fact getting a sizable coaster next year, that work would begin ahead of an announcement that I'm guessing would not happen until the end of summer at the earliest?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on February 08, 2016, 02:03:05 PM
I think Swoosh has said that some construction has already begun, just nothing major.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on February 08, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
If they are trying to work on crowd control and walkways, it's obvious they have more visitors than they can handle now, so I'm for preserving the small stuff....Grandfather's Mansion, the waterfall, the bridge. If those are things we notice now and love, they will be things that future visitors remember also.  They may need a little advertising or some signs to let them know these things exist.  Like Trams, I remember how special the walk behind the waterfall used to be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on February 08, 2016, 09:59:36 PM
I don't mean to sound reasonable or anything... but what if the PTB are noticing that these areas, built in the 50's, 60's, and 70's are literally falling apart? Not built up to code? A danger to employees and guests? If the waterfall were to crumble on an operating day how would that area look? I would rather areas be cleaned up and updated proactively rather than seeing voids mid season. The reason the PTB will not keep these areas is because there is no ROI. It sounds greedy, but the money put into the park has to return a profit. I have never heard anyone say "I bought a season pass because of the waterfall." it may be an area they enjoy, but it is the new stuff that keeps people returning. It is the same reason you do not spend $2000 fixing your 1988 mazda pickup... You use that $2000 as a down payment on a 2016 model.

Yeah, the old stuff does fall apart, and as we always go over, the argument from the old timers is that it's all worth saving because it's what we paid to get in to experience back before the rides existed. It's always worth discussing ROI, but it's not always so straightforward. I always say the little stuff has more value than it's given credit for. I think back just a decade ago about all the stuff I used to point out to people about what made the park special, and now so much of it is gone, piece by piece. Old discussion though.

Anyhow, who's going to be there on March 12 to look for markings? I'm not planning on making a trip until April.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DianaGail on February 08, 2016, 10:05:45 PM
I will be as long as the weather is good.  I'll be on the lookout for markers.  May even go to coaster corner.  Since I'm not a coaster fan, that's a big deal.  Lol!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on February 09, 2016, 07:47:42 AM
I will be there on the 20th,  weather permitting.

anxious to see winter improvements,
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on February 09, 2016, 07:48:45 AM
I will be there opening weekend!!! Just point me in the right direction and I will nose around!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on February 09, 2016, 08:41:11 AM
I don't mean to sound reasonable or anything... but what if the PTB are noticing that these areas, built in the 50's, 60's, and 70's are literally falling apart? Not built up to code? A danger to employees and guests? If the waterfall were to crumble on an operating day how would that area look? I would rather areas be cleaned up and updated proactively rather than seeing voids mid season. The reason the PTB will not keep these areas is because there is no ROI. It sounds greedy, but the money put into the park has to return a profit. I have never heard anyone say "I bought a season pass because of the waterfall." it may be an area they enjoy, but it is the new stuff that keeps people returning. It is the same reason you do not spend $2000 fixing your 1988 mazda pickup... You use that $2000 as a down payment on a 2016 model.


Maybe the waterfall alone doesn't sell season passes or bring a ROI but the overall beauty of the park does.  I dont know of anyone that leaves the park and doesn't have an appreciation of that beauty.   The waterfall in my opinion is a small part of that.  It's true you might not put $2000 fixing up your 1988 Mazda but you might fixing up your 1965 Mustang. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MoOzark on February 09, 2016, 08:56:02 AM
The area of the waterfall would not be a good place to build a ride or structure. It sits in a low place that may be a sinkhole, possibly a geological feature associated with the cave. My opinion is that it should be left as a waterfall or maintained as a natural wooded area. 

One of reasons folks choose to go to SDC is because of the natural beauty of the hills. They may enjoy riding the train but they are also looking out into the woods and getting a peaceful, relaxing feeling from that. If the park were to loose its "atmosphere" then it wouldn't be the same. It would just be another "Six Flags" type of park. I believe Mary Herschend understood that very well. In addition to the rides, crafts, shopping, and entertainment, I believe there should always be an accommodation of nature.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 09, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
The area of the waterfall would not be a good place to build a ride or structure. It sits in a low place that may be a sinkhole, possibly a geological feature associated with the cave. My opinion is that it should be left as a waterfall or maintained as a natural wooded area. 

One of reasons folks choose to go to SDC is because of the natural beauty of the hills. They may enjoy riding the train but they are also looking out into the woods and getting a peaceful, relaxing feeling from that. If the park were to loose its "atmosphere" then it wouldn't be the same. It would just be another "Six Flags" type of park. I believe Mary Herschend understood that very well. In addition to the rides, crafts, shopping, and entertainment, I believe there should always be an accommodation of nature.

There's no maybe to it.  That's the reason
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on February 09, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Still, I would rather have a water feature that looked more natural.  Even as a kid, I wondered why water was gushing from a point above ground level.  It never looked natural, and a quick look at the back side reveals very hollow and artificial rockwork.  I would not lament its passing, but do miss the more natural-looking water features, which, by their simple existence, psychologically cool visitors who stop to admire them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on February 09, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
The area of the waterfall would not be a good place to build a ride or structure. It sits in a low place that may be a sinkhole, possibly a geological feature associated with the cave. My opinion is that it should be left as a waterfall or maintained as a natural wooded area. 

One of reasons folks choose to go to SDC is because of the natural beauty of the hills. They may enjoy riding the train but they are also looking out into the woods and getting a peaceful, relaxing feeling from that. If the park were to loose its "atmosphere" then it wouldn't be the same. It would just be another "Six Flags" type of park. I believe Mary Herschend understood that very well. In addition to the rides, crafts, shopping, and entertainment, I believe there should always be an accommodation of nature.

There's no maybe to it.  That's the reason

Yes!  and Yes!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on February 09, 2016, 08:05:56 PM
Do we know where it will be yet then?

By GE?  Seen from the 76 entrance?

Where else could it go if it's not behind the waterfall?  I know the Cedar Fair and Six Flags parks can cram coaster all over there flat parking lot parks but SDC seems limited in places to build while maintaining it's charm.

Is there room out by OR?  South of AP? Behind FL?  Behind the wilderness church? 'petting zoo' area?

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 09, 2016, 08:59:32 PM
The most popular "guess" right now is between WF and PK going down the mountain.

It won't be by GE due to the improvements they are making to EH.  I can't imagine they'd want major guest/ride noise by a major entertainment venue (which sounds like it will be utilized even more from now on)
Title: COASTER 2017?...YOU VOTE
Post by: BackInTime9 on February 13, 2016, 09:59:56 AM
One can only speculate that a new coaster is coming in 2017. It could be months before anything is confirmed and if a new coaster is in fact coming to the park. Additionally, plans for its type and layout would have undoubtedly already been solidified and sold-in to the powers that be. That said, here's the perfect opportunity to keep the dialogue going and for you to weigh-in on what you would really love to see in 2017. Happy voting, Baldknobbers.     
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on February 13, 2016, 04:21:48 PM
Merged the poll topic with our main thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 13, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
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e improvements they are making to EH................ sounds like it will be utilized even more from now on
I would like access for special event through the ground lever or stage level.  Thats a heck of a march for some.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 13, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
Considering how below park grade that is - how exactly do you propose that to happen?   They're not going to give up backstage access to make that happen.  So I'm curious as to what your idea is. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 14, 2016, 09:03:59 AM
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Considering how below park grade that is - how exactly do you propose that to happen?

I know there is a road leading up beside the stage but the logistics would be tough.  I have no plan but I am aware the issue with climbing the stairs is more widespread than you might think.  When EH was built in the 80s we were a healthier skinnier people.  I would hate to see the cityscape adversely effected by ADA requirements that are not realistic. I don't want to lose things because "everyone" cant experience them.   At the same time I wish it were easier to watch a show in EH and not sit up on the bleeds because of the large amounts of stairs.  Its a personal thing I know, just a thought that may cross the minds of more than just me.  Its the only theater in SDC like this.  Like I say, just a personal thing but easier access might mean higher guest attendance.  It may however be what it is, after all like you said "how do you propose" and I don't have a realistic answer with the current set up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on February 14, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
Would escalators work at all? I've not been in Echo Hollow since 2010, so I don't completely recall the layout, so not sure if there'd be room for adding escalators.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on February 14, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
Reworded the poll and gave some examples of major coasters that represent each type in case you are not familiar with the labelings.  So results have been reset and if you voted before you can recast your vote. 

Looking at the floorless option - they could easily switch Wildfire over to one as the chassis is the same except the floor is present.  This is a gen 2.0 train whereas other sit downs by B&M (like Kumba) are gen 1.0 and there seats do not sit as high.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on February 14, 2016, 06:18:17 PM
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so not sure if there'd be room for adding escalators
The cost would have to be a knock out.
I think they could run 1 small bus up the road to the main drop and you could disembark and get on the correct final tram.  Just try to let people know that this is for those with medical issues.  Maybe out of the question.........  Maybe it would assist more guests to feel part of the experience.
I think SDC does a very good job with what they have overall.   I mean it is a city in the hills. Make it flat and lose the charm.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 07, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
Barely a week from the first rope drop of 2016 and it's like crickets, here. What gives? Why no buzz? We just waiting to see if some shred of physical evidence presents itself once the general public is allowed back on park?

And what happened to the poll I posted weeks ago? I know it's been tweaked from my original posting, but the results are not displaying for me? Am I missing something?

The cabin fever is taking its toll. Where's the talk, people?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 07, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Right now there are two major rumors regarding 2017

1. Grand Expo
Grand Expo would be rethemed to fit the new coaster.  Echo Hollow would be move to near the parking lot - making a more convenient "out" after the show and it would be created to be more ADA friendly.  The former location of Echo Hollow would be utilized as the location of the new coaster - of which most would be below grade.  The station would be over where the kiddie rides are currently in Grand Expo - those would be moved to Half Dollar Holler.

2. The HILL (between PK and WF)
The coaster would have a station located near the launch area of PK and would utilize the hill for most of its terrain.  It would also create a new "loop" where the walkway would be extended to connect WF and PK.

===

Personally I feel that rumor 1 is the most likely and here's why...
1. The price tag for the project makes more sense for all of that to happen instead of just the coaster costing so dang much.
2. Echo Hollow was originally slated to get several upgrades this past off season, of which none happened.  Why would they do the upgrades if they are planning on moving the whole place after this season.
3. The 2020 project makes more sense to happen on the Hill. 
4. They have already started the GE project.  You'll see that this year.  EVERY RIDE got new paint.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on March 07, 2016, 05:51:34 PM
I thought that eco was getting new bathrooms this year?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 07, 2016, 06:04:18 PM
I thought that eco was getting new bathrooms this year?

See #2 on reasons at bottom of my post
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 07, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
I've been hoping for the coaster to be by PK and WF so that we don't have to walk all over the park to ride every coaster, but whatever works best for them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 07, 2016, 09:42:26 PM
Moving Echo Hollow over to the entrance makes a ton of sense (as does rebuilding the entrance). I feel like that's one of those things that's probably been floating around on the back burner for ages now, but who knows when they'll actually get the gumption to pull the trigger. It's a lot of investment in what is essentially just infrastructure - they'd only do it if they were serious about making a true push towards turning SDC into a resort park like they're turning DW into.

I'm still willing to bet on a wing rider for 2017, but there's plenty of argument to be made that they're going for something else. I'm completely in the dark on that one. The fact that they seem to be looking at another B&M for 2020 or so makes me wonder...

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 08, 2016, 07:15:02 AM
Moving Echo Hollow over to the entrance makes a ton of sense (as does rebuilding the entrance). I feel like that's one of those things that's probably been floating around on the back burner for ages now, but who knows when they'll actually get the gumption to pull the trigger. It's a lot of investment in what is essentially just infrastructure - they'd only do it if they were serious about making a true push towards turning SDC into a resort park like they're turning DW into.

I'm still willing to bet on a wing rider for 2017, but there's plenty of argument to be made that they're going for something else. I'm completely in the dark on that one. The fact that they seem to be looking at another B&M for 2020 or so makes me wonder...

A giga or hyper with no inversions would be swell.

I'd rather have the Mack concept for 2020

The Echo Hollow relocation makes tons of sense and not just for better exiting after the show and ADA needs. If they are going to start bringing in bigger names, they will need better dressing rooms and docks for equipment, and staging. Yet, that's a ton of concrete to rip up and repour. The old stuff could be used as fill around the park though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 08, 2016, 07:25:36 AM
I am pretty sure I have not been to an EH show since I was a kid. Not that I wouldnt want to but I am pretty sure my husband just does not do closing hour crowds. He hates leaving with the masses. We usually stay at The Wilderness and use the shuttle. Or Deer Run. Again the shuttle. I would still be sad to see it go. It holds fond memories. And agreed it does contain a LOT of concrete. And I like where it is. Love the night stroll through a quiet park. :) Its charming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on March 08, 2016, 10:35:32 AM
Moving Echo Hollow over to the entrance makes a ton of sense (as does rebuilding the entrance). I feel like that's one of those things that's probably been floating around on the back burner for ages now, but who knows when they'll actually get the gumption to pull the trigger. It's a lot of investment in what is essentially just infrastructure - they'd only do it if they were serious about making a true push towards turning SDC into a resort park like they're turning DW into.

I'm still willing to bet on a wing rider for 2017, but there's plenty of argument to be made that they're going for something else. I'm completely in the dark on that one. The fact that they seem to be looking at another B&M for 2020 or so makes me wonder...



The B&M 2020 deal makes me wonder as well, Shave. I was pretty sure this year's addition would be a German manufacturer so that would make sense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 08, 2016, 10:49:48 AM
Thanks for helping to stir the conversation going again, everyone. Swoosh, thanks for reiterating the two major rumors that continue to swirl for next year.

With regard to the work that's already begun in GE (new paint on all the rides), can you give us any insight into whether or not this could be early work that's in fact indicative of a complete theme overhaul and could possibly tie into a new coaster down the line, or is this new paint simply a sprucing up of sorts? In short, are the changes we'll see in GE going to make it look like an entirely new area, or will they go relatively unnoticed with the exception of looking fresh, if that makes sense?

Is it fair to assume that if scenario one you outlined is in fact part of the 2017 plan, that ground work would need to begin pretty quickly? Would they keep Echo open for this season and wait to demo it after the season, or would they need to begin demo now to make way for a new attraction there? I would imagine that work on a relocated Echo could begin immediately if that is the plan. Based on where it sounds like it could move, I don't think it would create any disruption to the park.

Pretty exciting to consider both possibilities, but I will say that I lean toward scenario one for the immediate future. As much as I would love to see a much larger coaster in the park, I do think it's very important for park flow to have a major coaster attraction in or near the areas of GE and/or FL to help balance out the crowds a bit. Putting another major coaster between PK and WF now could really create a lopsided situation with WF, PK, FITH and OR all pretty close to one another already. That would put five coasters in the same vicinity. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me. There is one caveat to point out though. In looking at the satellite view the area near EH, there doesn't appear to a be significant amount of real estate to work with here, so that worries me quite a bit.


Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on March 08, 2016, 01:06:46 PM
there doesn't appear to a be significant amount of real estate to work with here, so that worry's me quite a bit.

Me too, and not because there's no space at all. It's because there's a roller coaster in the way. :(
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 08, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
 :o

I think some people are finally putting it together
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on March 08, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
:o

I think some people are finally putting it together

Heh kinda ironic, last time I logged in (a few years ago... I named myself after GG long before it was nostalgic to do so lol) there was speculation about TNT being removed sometime in the future, and 2017 seemed to be a consensus if I remember right. I've also noticed especially last year that it's gotten a lot rougher, possibly due to a difference in weather and possibly due to (self-speculated) lesser maintenance. Flooded Mine is also seeming to be neglected, though I'm not sure why you would need to close that as well (or even move the kiddie rides from GE) unless this is a hyper/giga or some other design that takes up that large an amount of space.

Also going to say, if the survey is actually for 2020, and if the rumors about 2017 being a B&M are correct, then either the first option (the Mack spinner) is what they're really judging for or they are fully on the B&M bandwagon, since making an Invert/Wing and then a Dive would make nearly half of their roller coasters (and over half of the ones that actually have something to them) be made by the same company. On the "survey is for 2020" side of things, though, I've heard on another forum that Cedar Fair makes manufacturers sign a 10-year non-compete agreement in a 200-mile radius. If this is the case, this would be the first year SDC could get a B&M Invert, since Patriot at WoF opened in 2006. However, I don't see why FM or the kiddie rides would have to go unless either it's that big of an invert or they want to put the gift shop where FM will have been, or both.

Moving Echo Hollow over to the entrance makes a ton of sense (as does rebuilding the entrance). I feel like that's one of those things that's probably been floating around on the back burner for ages now, but who knows when they'll actually get the gumption to pull the trigger. It's a lot of investment in what is essentially just infrastructure - they'd only do it if they were serious about making a true push towards turning SDC into a resort park like they're turning DW into.

I'm still willing to bet on a wing rider for 2017, but there's plenty of argument to be made that they're going for something else. I'm completely in the dark on that one. The fact that they seem to be looking at another B&M for 2020 or so makes me wonder...



The B&M 2020 deal makes me wonder as well, Shave. I was pretty sure this year's addition would be a German manufacturer so that would make sense.

Mack is a German manufacturer, and something unmistakably from them (the spinning car on a full-sized coaster, which was tested sometime last year at Europa Park) was on the survey. Something to think about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 08, 2016, 04:12:54 PM
If they are closing/moving something for the new coaster, wouldn't that need to close early in the season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on March 08, 2016, 04:19:36 PM
If they are closing/moving something for the new coaster, wouldn't that need to close early in the season?

Yup, Geyser Gulch closed in early August 2014 and that was for a comparatively small-scale addition. Leads me to believe either the 2017 isn't going in that spot, it's being delayed to 2018, we will hear official news sooner rather than later (the most likely option IMO), or some combination of the three.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 08, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
If Geyser Gulch closed in August, then I feel like whatever could be replaced would have to close in June at the absolute latest, considering how big of a project Swoosh has said this is supposed to be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 08, 2016, 05:10:59 PM
I'm just reporting rumors.  I'm not even pretending to know what is going on with this project. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on March 08, 2016, 05:24:34 PM
Just a head's up. The official website says that the Echo Hollow show is running through October 29th. They even list specific dates in August and September the show will not be performing. I don't think the website would advertise the show would be running basically the entire season if it wasn't going to. Although I can't remember what the website said about Geyser Gulch for a reference point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 08, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
I'm just reporting rumors.  I'm not even pretending to know what is going on with this project.

It sounds like you know ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 08, 2016, 07:15:00 PM
I'm just reporting rumors.  I'm not even pretending to know what is going on with this project.

It sounds like you know ;)

I know that they don't even know everything yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 08, 2016, 08:33:37 PM
Let's just say, all plans are fluid.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 08, 2016, 08:44:39 PM
They always are
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Gilligan on March 08, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
I am pretty sure I have not been to an EH show since I was a kid. Not that I wouldnt want to but I am pretty sure my husband just does not do closing hour crowds. He hates leaving with the masses. We usually stay at The Wilderness and use the shuttle. Or Deer Run. Again the shuttle. I would still be sad to see it go. It holds fond memories. And agreed it does contain a LOT of concrete. And I like where it is. Love the night stroll through a quiet park. :) Its charming.

Me too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on March 08, 2016, 10:33:44 PM
They always are

No, they know what they're doing right now for 2017. It's not fluid.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 09, 2016, 06:29:59 AM
They always are

No, they know what they're doing right now for 2017. It's not fluid.

You misunderstood the point of the post, but that's ok. 
Yes, the main part of 2017 is firm.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 11, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
Wow....long term wise....moving EH/creating a modern amphitheater with better access would be a huge move.   

I was really surprised the rock band Skillet is playing at the young christian weekend this year.  They have been headlining almost exclusively at modern arenas, big rock festivals, and amphitheater shows for a few years now (and theme park events like cedar point and six flags festivals with modern amps) and was a little surprised that they where coming to SDC namely because of the facilitates they would have to play (EH) and I'm sure they require a large fee.

i know Magic Springs has a good amphitheater and get some pretty good lineups of concerts scheduled every year that is included with season passes.  Im sure SDC has to see that as a possible revenue opportunity.

But if that is the plan....they better get working on construction soon.  At least start building up the new EH this year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 11, 2016, 12:12:16 PM
I went on the SDC page to see if I could try to get a wristband for Skillet. I was surprised to see that SDC is now charging to see the Echo Hollow show during YCW now. Im super excited that they are coming to SDC but $50 to get in?....Instead, I will either stand along Valley Road and listen from up there or I will wait until the week after when they come to Frontier City, so I can see them for free with my Season Pass.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 11, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
????? You can still go to the concert with your SP. You dont have to buy the 50$ ticket. This is for church groups. You can however buy a wristband if you want good seating. My coworker did that because she loves Skillet and already has the SP.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 11, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
I've been debating on if I'm going to go.  I was wondering if my SP would get me in or if it was only for the youth group kids that day.  They don't have very many shows scheduled this year yet and it's been awhile since I've seen them.  The SDC show will actually be their first of the year as they have been working on a new record and take time off touring.  I'm wondering if they'd try something new.  I wasn't sure about dealing with the teenagers crowd.

I'm 36yo and was gifted their first CD around 20 years ago.  I got to meet them (the Coopers anyway) a few times during the early part of their career at smaller shows.  Its been exciting to see their growth and success.  I've been a panhead for nearly 20 years have been to 8-9 shows. 

If you haven't heard of them....they are an 'arena rock' band who had a lot of success the past 5-6 years both in the christian market and especially in the secular rock market.  One of the few true rock bands that are selling new material.  Pretty unique because they use strings (sympathetic rock), has a female drummer who sings backup/lead, and typically puts on full epic rock production with their shows (video boards, light wall, fireworks, risers, crypto, pyro, etc).  I've got a feeling that Echo Hollow will have to be a much more laid back show then their normal :)  I've seen them live in a few different settings and its amazing to see how much both kids and older fold find them entertaining.  Kind of a throw back to 80s hair band vibe with more positive messages.

Sorry....kinda off topic....
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 11, 2016, 03:35:25 PM
 ;D phew...thanks MissinTheGreenTrams! I didnt know that SP could still get in free. I just saw it costed $50 and no other option. As always, I think all shows and rides in SDC should always be free (with paid admission) no matter who or what they are.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 12, 2016, 07:27:31 PM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 17, 2016, 05:45:37 PM
When I went out to SDC on Wednesday, I rode WF and when I got to the top of the hill, I saw a blue lift Northwest of WF (Southwest of OR). Thats the only sign of any kind of construction that I saw, and I looked really carefully everywhere that had a little bit of open land or had any chance of a ride going in there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: tinmann620 on March 17, 2016, 06:23:44 PM
fyi, the genie lifts are used for general ride maintenance on most coasters and GS, not construction. WF, PK, & OR have their own for "emergency" situations, should they happen~
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 17, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?

Yes
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 18, 2016, 05:44:08 AM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?

Yes

Swoosh--  LOL,   
 I mean that's not funny!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  SMH.......
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2016, 06:16:00 AM
Well he didn't specify if it had to be a poster on this board and the odds of "someone" seeing a sign are pretty good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 18, 2016, 01:55:22 PM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?

Yes

Another lame attempt to insinuate you're of a privileged few who may know more about the goings on behind the scenes within the park. If you have something to share, then share it. There's a big difference from saying you happened to see something specific versus divulging specific details about what may be going on. The continued subliminal hints and vague comments are so sophomoric it's exhausting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on March 18, 2016, 03:02:48 PM
This time it was sarcasm, BiT, not elitist.  I'll allow it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2016, 05:00:59 PM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?

Yes

Another lame attempt to insinuate you're of a privileged few who may know more about the goings on behind the scenes within the park. If you have something to share, then share it. There's a big difference from saying you happened to see something specific versus divulging specific details about what may be going on. The continued subliminal hints and vague comments are so sophomoric it's exhausting.

Lighten up, Francis. 
Tanner knows I was just picking on him with my sarcastic response. 
Seriously.  If a one word response gets you that wound up, it might be time for you to step away for awhile - it's not that big of a deal. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 18, 2016, 05:42:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 18, 2016, 05:43:48 PM
Did anyone see any signs pointing towards the 2017 coaster today?

Yes

Okay, let me rephrase my question. What signs did people see today pointing towards the 2017 coaster?

And yes, I understand the sarcasm. ;) And do you now everyone's name Swoosh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hollwood on March 18, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
He knows my name... but he doesn't know that I know that he knows...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
Guys - be careful insinuating that I'm elite and know everyone's name.  Little BiT won't like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 18, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
Guys - be careful insinuating that I'm elite and know everyone's name.  Little BiT won't like that.

Well not elite enough to answer my restated question. :'(
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 18, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
I'll PM you on Facebook
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 19, 2016, 01:08:31 PM
Good Grief

Anywho, the 17 announcements are starting already. BGW will add a GCI woodie with a metal support structure and it will interact with the flume quite a bit. Seems I've wanted a new coaster for SDC to interact with American Plunge for a while. Looks to be a solid family addition with 9 airtime moments.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 20, 2016, 10:51:34 PM
Okay I just went over this thread. $30-$40 million is quite impressive. Wildfire (my favorite coaster at SDC) was only in the teens when it was built.

If I were to make a guess based on trends from other B&M coasters in recent years, I could see them trying to top Banshee or Thunderbird with a 4000+ ft long track. Perhaps a launched Wingrider or an Invert with a 180-200ft drop with the first inversion being made as you take the first major drop along with several theming/pass thru elements and several subsequent inversions as you progress along the track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 21, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
I was looking over EH from the main path through the leafless trees and was starting to image B&M track winding around that huge space!!!.  That could really be an amazing setup!!!!  Not sure how they are going to be able to pull off the theme though :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on March 21, 2016, 05:59:41 PM
I was looking over EH from the main path through the leafless trees and was starting to image B&M track winding around that huge space!!!.  That could really be an amazing setup!!!!  Not sure how they are going to be able to pull off the theme though :-\

Pretty sure your looking the wrong direction.... ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
Okay I just went over this thread. $30-$40 million is quite impressive.

I'm wondering if this total is for both of the upcoming big projects combined.  If they sign a contract now for two from the same company, it could very well be bundled. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 21, 2016, 10:32:43 PM
Okay I just went over this thread. $30-$40 million is quite impressive.

I'm wondering this total is for both of the upcoming big projects combined.  If they sign a contract now for two from the same company, it could very well be bundled.


Maybe thats just it. Maybe they are making this 1 coaster as 2 to help improve crowd flow, lines, and other stuff.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
There was never going to just be one.  The two major attractions in a span of 3 years has always been the rumor.  It wasn't until this calendar year that exactly what they'll be became clearer. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 21, 2016, 11:25:05 PM
That would make sense for two coasters. And the rest going for landscaping and theming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
Well adding fuel to the fire - another current rumor is that some of the major infrastructure that is need for a large ride (in the shape of a new coaster) in the general vicinity of GE has either already been completed or will be on the current fiscal calendar year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 22, 2016, 07:47:54 AM
Two more B&M's will unquestionably put this park in the leagues of Busch Gardens in terms of rides. Then of course they'll be obligated to throw a family coaster in the mix as well on top of all this. 14-year old me would have loved this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on March 22, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
Two more B&M's will unquestionably put this park in the leagues of Busch Gardens in terms of rides. Then of course they'll be obligated to throw a family coaster in the mix as well on top of all this. 14-year old me would have loved this.

Believe me, when you begin hitting 50 you'll love the family stuff all over again......
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on March 22, 2016, 09:22:09 AM
14-year old me would have loved this.

This.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on March 22, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
Two more B&M's will unquestionably put this park in the leagues of Busch Gardens in terms of rides. Then of course they'll be obligated to throw a family coaster in the mix as well on top of all this. 14-year old me would have loved this.

Believe me, when you begin hitting 50 you'll love the family stuff all over again......

Speak for yourself :) I am 56 and the wilder the better as far as I see it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2016, 12:12:59 PM
Two more B&M's will unquestionably put this park in the leagues of Busch Gardens in terms of rides. Then of course they'll be obligated to throw a family coaster in the mix as well on top of all this. 14-year old me would have loved this.

I bet they're thinking high capacity and high reliability.  Two things the park needs right now. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on March 22, 2016, 01:01:38 PM
That's interesting about the backstage rumors of it being an invert, Swoosh. Man, if that's true and they did it justice with the terrain and theming, it would be quite an attraction. I'm curious as to how they would re-theme GE (if that's still the thought.)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
Who knows on the retheming.  They did a lot of work in GE this off season.  Almost every ride got new paint. (I'll post photos when I get back from TN).  They're still working on elephants, but the others are done.  The signs around the area got redone too. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 22, 2016, 02:24:01 PM
If they are concerned about reliability and capacity, and potentially adding 2 new coasters in rapid succession like this, it makes me wonder if Powderkeg is in danger of being replaced by one of these possible B&M coasters or by something else shortly afterward. That ride always has huge lines and has issues being fickle with operating. While I do like the ride I can understand their reasoning if this were the case.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2016, 04:23:15 PM
No. Maybe TNT but not PK.  The rumor is coaster #2 on the hill between PK and WF - then extending down the hill.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 22, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
If they are concerned about reliability and capacity, and potentially adding 2 new coasters in rapid succession like this, it makes me wonder if Powderkeg is in danger of being replaced by one of these possible B&M coasters or by something else shortly afterward. That ride always has huge lines and has issues being fickle with operating. While I do like the ride I can understand their reasoning if this were the case.

I think PK always has a long line because everyone wants to ride that ride. I would guess it to be the favorite coaster of most and it is almost a family coaster. PK has also become more reliable in past years, I think they have finally gotten most of the bugs worked out. Also, the park rarely uses all three trains, if all trains are used and the ride is working correctly, a lot of riders can get through.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on March 22, 2016, 08:38:27 PM
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Also, the park rarely uses all three trains, if all trains are used and the ride is working correctly, a lot of riders can get through.
They should run 3 trains and make an attempt at getting people loaded in a expedient manor.  Sometimes loading can become lengthy and drawn out.
Great rides but the waits are becoming more frequent.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 22, 2016, 08:46:49 PM
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Also, the park rarely uses all three trains, if all trains are used and the ride is working correctly, a lot of riders can get through.
They should run 3 trains and make an attempt at getting people loaded in a expedient manor.  Sometimes loading can become lengthy and drawn out.
Great rides but the waits are becoming more frequent.

Yeah I have noticed that trend as well. Seems worse than it was in '07-'08 or even after it was new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2016, 08:56:47 PM
They actually use all 3 trains a lot during the summer. 
The main issue is the transfer track area gets moody when it gets wet.  If they'd build a roof over that area it would probably be fine. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 22, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
They werent using the 3rd train the last 2 years because they were rebuilding it for some reason. They should be done now. I think they replaced 1 train for another the first Wednesday, along with the other train running, because of the problem with 2 different restraints in 2 different seats.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2016, 09:24:41 PM
They werent using the 3rd train the last 2 years because they were rebuilding it for some reason. They should be done now. I think they replaced 1 train for another the first Wednesday, along with the other train running, because of the problem with 2 different restraints in 2 different seats.

Really?  Well thanks for clearing that up.  My mistake. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 22, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
A lot of really popular coasters are known for being finicky for one reason or another. PK is in good company. It's such a huge hit with a broad range of riders that I don't see it going anywhere for a long time. TNT is also a good asset, even though it will always need track work.

It is weird that they haven't built that shed after all these years though. I'm sure it's been scrutinized though. The reasoning must be that the shed still wouldn't guarantee a fix for the issue when you still have moisture from trains dripping and whatnot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on March 23, 2016, 08:51:39 AM
You know what would make PK reliable is to pull out the air launch technology and replace it with LIMs or something of the like. It wont ever happen but oh how much less downtime there would be!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 23, 2016, 09:34:45 AM
The compressed air is not the issue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on March 23, 2016, 03:13:42 PM
off topic warning....

I know the transfer track section on PK is there because the reuse of the station and track from the previous ride......I'm speculating that 90% of the rides maintenance issues and expense is due to that transfer section.  Hindsight is 20/20 but I wonder if it would have been less costly in the long run if they would have just moved the stations and/or the track to line up with a first hill without the transfer?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 23, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
I think it would definitely be less maintenance without the transfer track, but I think that it's just another thing that makes the ride special so I'm glad they have it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 23, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
Dont think they could do without the switch track. Its there because they built the emergency track to be behind it for the "just in case" purpose. If the little car doesnt pull the train fast enough to go over the hill, it will roll back across the switch track and onto the black emergency track, where there are heavy duty brakes to stop it. The track is higher than the hill, so there is no chance it will ever be fast enough to go over the end, where it looks like the track broke and fell with an old Bus saw falls car on the roof. They wouldnt want the train to roll back into the station and hit another train that is being unloaded.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on March 23, 2016, 08:00:12 PM
Dont think they could do without the switch track. Its there because they built the emergency track to be behind it for the "just in case" purpose. If the little car doesnt pull the train fast enough to go over the hill, it will roll back across the switch track and onto the black emergency track, where there are heavy duty brakes to stop it. The track is higher than the hill, so there is no chance it will ever be fast enough to go over the end, where it looks like the track broke and fell with an old Bus saw falls car on the roof. They wouldnt want the train to roll back into the station and hit another train that is being unloaded.

Thanks for explaining that for everyone.

So, the 2017 coaster. I'm surprised the park hasn't done any sort of teasing on social media at all. When did that website start for Outlaw Run in 2012?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 23, 2016, 08:27:11 PM
Summer
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 24, 2016, 08:55:48 AM
They have updated their website and posted the menu for Tastes of the World. I am taking my parents to this and have been waiting on the menu for like ever! She has food restrictions and we are neurotic and like planning what we can. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 24, 2016, 02:35:06 PM
They have updated their website and posted the menu for Tastes of the World. I am taking my parents to this and have been waiting on the menu for like ever! She has food restrictions and we are neurotic and like planning what we can. ;)

The menu for 2017? Man, SDC is uppin' thays game.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on March 27, 2016, 01:42:49 AM
Was on park Friday and yesterday. PK was down for lengthy periods both days. Heard rumblings of it being a restraint issue on Saturday, but can't confirm anything. I am probably not one to speculate, but based on conversations here and with many people on park who frequent it more than I'm able to, PK's reliability sounds like it's worsening versus getting better. A real shame given it's continued popularity. I was astonished this weekend to see lines for it longer than even OR. That said, some of the issue could have skewed the reality of the lines and wait times though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 27, 2016, 08:26:10 AM
When I went in October last year and again opening weekend this year the lines for PK far exceeded that of PK. PK lines are ridiculous. I dont know if the ride was down at these times or not. Did not investigate. Just saw the line was snaking itself down the hill and was out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on March 27, 2016, 09:15:34 AM
PK is the best thrill ride in the park. Going 0-60 in a second is more exciting than a double corkscrew, period. And thats not a knock on or.
Hope they can get it fixed. its always down in the mornings when we go.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on March 27, 2016, 09:24:16 AM
Never said it was a bad ride. In fact, it was my sons first big kid coaster. We love it. Its just the fact that as a family we do not want to spend an hour or more in line for a ride. Its just not fun waiting in line when there is so much more to do. PK is an excellent coaster. A lot of fun. But with it having long lines and constant hiccups, its just not our go to unless the line is really manageable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 27, 2016, 08:11:04 PM
I've started wondering, if they get a launched wing rider similar to Thunderbird, will that push them more towards taking out/replacing PK within the next 5 or so years? They could get a Mack Junior launched coaster like Firechaser Express to go along with it, so that they would have both a junior and thrill sized launch coaster instead of the multi-demographic pleaser that PK is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 27, 2016, 10:12:03 PM
Or they'll just get a standard inverted that does a lot of tight inversions in a relatively small footprint
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on March 27, 2016, 10:58:02 PM
Will the new coaster be the invert that we saw a guy show his blueprint of on Undercover Boss?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on March 31, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
While unconfirmed this track has just showed up outsite of the B&M plant in Ohio. Time line is right and colors are plausible so we may very well be looking at Silver Dollar Citys new coaster! This does appear to be hyper/giga track but its hard to say for sure! It's def not a dive machine though!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on March 31, 2016, 07:35:29 PM
Well it *could* be inverted track  :-X
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 31, 2016, 07:38:33 PM
Most interesting... The color style does fit the park as I've noticed they seem to avoid vibrant colors and use a rustic style on their major attractions paint scheme as I assume it has to do with not breaking the theme. This could be it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on March 31, 2016, 08:05:27 PM
Oh joy let it begin.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on March 31, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
Not too many parks seem to use dull earth tone colors for their big rides as it does appear to use the same tan paint that the Buzzsaw Falls track used. But maybe its the lighting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on March 31, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
HYPE TRAIN LEAVING THE STATION

http://imgur.com/gallery/hiiq7Xz
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 01, 2016, 08:16:49 AM
We're getting a new train too?.....lol

I love the earth tone rides around SDC.  It feels and looks more majestic than riding around on a highlighter six flags colors.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 01, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
Seriously though, the track is probably for China. We should definitely be on the lookout though - chances are one of the projects that the factory rolls out this summer will be ours.

The consensus seems to be that this track is for a wing coaster, and probably one of the already announced projects in china.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 04, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
Am I the only one concerned about the reality of a 2017 coaster actually coming to fruition? Wouldn't it be safe to say that if we were in fact getting something (let alone a coaster) of any significance, we would have seen some signs of it on park by now? I'm not an engineer, and I understand in terms of material and infrastructure a wooden coaster is probably much more involved than anything steel. However, shouldn't we be seeing any markers, earth work, equipment, etc. by now? We are less than a year away from opening day 2017 and nothing. Just for kicks, I went back to our 2013 thread following everything leading up to and through the construction of OR. That got me even more discouraged. Again, I realize there could be things present we cannot physically see at this point, but the lack of nothing even remotely concrete is unsettling to say the least. Take a look at some major milestones for OR and tell me if you don't agree.

November 2011 – Several markers are spotted in the woods from the train near the current site of OR.
12/30/11 – Equipment is spotted in the woods and confirmation of Earth being moved is reported.
1/3/12 – The infamous Robber's Shack is removed near the train tracks.
1/22/12 – RMC confirms two new coaster projects utilizing its proprietary track technology – one presumed to be for SDC.
2/26/12 – First pictures of footer forms and station foundation/footers shared on sdcfans.com.
6/22/12 – SDC releases its first social media teaser video about its upcoming attraction for the 2013 season.
8/9/12 – SDC officially unveils details for Outlaw Run currently under construction at the park.

Again, not trying to assume any apples to apples comparisons here, but what we saw with Outlaw Run's development totaled close to 16 months from the time of markers being spotted to it's debut in 2013. And 15 months if we're talking about dirt work that was reported and confirmed through photos posted here.

Neither of the two sites being speculated about here (the area between GE and EH, or between WF and PK) are very benign real estate. You're talking about lots of woods and no shortage of topography. Wouldn't any addition of note in either of these areas require a significant amount of preparation? Is anyone else not concerned about the absence of any signs of work in these areas (or anywhere else for that matter)?

I'm beginning to worry that 2018 may be the more realistic target IF anything legit is in the works for the near future. That said, if another major coaster is due at SDC, I sincerely hope they did all they could to outdo their efforts with OR, even if it's presumably of the steel variety. If I'm being selfish, I want to see another record breaker in the park. And if I'm being honest, I hope nothing is/was borrowed from the coasters currently residing at DW. Outside of Lightning Rod (already experiencing operational delays and issues), which clearly draws cues from OR, nothing there makes me want to make the trip to Pigeon Forge just to ride it. With the changes coming to Branson in 2016 and planned for the next 3-5 years, I hope SDC is poised to capitalize on the momentum they established with the addition of OR.





 

   
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 04, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
^Uh, you realize it's barely April of 2016? Most parks don't start construction on next year's attractions (including coasters) until near the off-season.

They started on Outlaw Run crazy early, possibly because it was a pivotal ride for RMC, or possibly because that's just how their scheduling worked out. It's not a benchmark for future attractions. Most of the most recent major projects at SDC have started construction on some level in the summer. They used to wait much longer, but it's easier to spread it out apparently.

Most coasters can be built and opened in three months or less so long as they are willing to pay for the labor to go that fast. There's a lot that goes into the scheduling so I wouldn't even try to guess at timelines.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 04, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
No, I totally get that, Shave. And I know OR was a-typical and broke the status quo. Just hard not to draw some comparisons given the sites in question and how much work it seems would need to be done to put anything of significance in by opening day next year – especially given SDC's recent track record of teasing the attraction well before an official announcement. I guess we were spoiled and fooled to some degree by how early things got moving with OR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 04, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
Too bad this forum was not around when Wildfire was being speculated about. I think it began construction in August so I expect it to be by that time we see something for sure. But I was in my early teens and wasn't at the park much that year to remember for sure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 04, 2016, 04:58:32 PM
Well the thing is - they have already done some in park infrastructure work for the new ride.  A lot of new transformers and overall heavy duty power grid items were added to that side of the park this past off season. Also if you give merit to the rumors, this particular manufacturer doesn't take very long to assemble their rides. Also given the terrain and overall growth of the site, they could have done surveying work and you couldn't even tell.  I'd say late August/early September is when things will start heating up. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 18, 2016, 07:41:52 PM
I'm not saying that this is for 2017 (as I'm not sure exactly what it is) but something is definitely happening here.

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/04/mystery-markers-appear-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on April 18, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
Good catch, Swoosh!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 18, 2016, 09:52:39 PM
That's not where I would expect to see anything for the supposed 2017 project, but who knows. Could it be part of a new echo hollow expansion? Or maybe they're just going to open the area up?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 18, 2016, 10:18:31 PM
That's not where I would expect to see anything for the supposed 2017 project, but who knows. Could it be part of a new echo hollow expansion? Or maybe they're just going to open the area up?

There's a lot... and I mean A LOT of noise right now in the rumor mill and it is difficult to shift through everything to know what is true and what is not.  I will say, that some rumors have the ride starting over there.  Other rumors have it starting back in Grand Expo.  The thing is - there are markers here.  Does that make that rumor true and the other one not?  Not necessarily.  But something is definitely happening here, it just might not be 2017 coaster related.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on April 18, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
The MIG report says orange markers for electrical but orange is for communication lines.....the flags looked red, so that could indicate electric. http://www.engineersupply.com/APWA-Utility-Color-Codes.aspx?gclid=CIXV2tLpmcwCFZKGaQodEPEAhQ

Why would you survey these? You would want to identify existing utilities so you know where they are during design and construction. Fiber Optics can be very expensive to relocate. What it looks like to me is someone came out and flagged a utility line....this locate could be for survey purposes or it could be a locate for construction purposes.....

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 18, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
Thanks for the insight.  I've updated the report to match that information
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 18, 2016, 11:48:52 PM
Thanks for the insight.  I've updated the report to match that information

Expurt 8)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jemmicat on April 19, 2016, 07:26:05 PM
Those painted lines are orange to my recollection. I could have remembered wrong, but it is still pretty fresh in my mind
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 19, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
^Yes, they are orange.  We covered that in the report.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 19, 2016, 11:23:04 PM
So my gut reaction was that this couldn't be part of a new ride project because of the proximity to Echo Hollow, but the more I think about it the more I can't presume that Echo Hollow will always be there. I keep thinking that EH is kind of sacred somehow just because it's so useful to have somewhere for big events as they come up. But the more I look at it, the more I see that it really isn't a great setup for bigger, modern uses. It would be one thing if they were obviously in the process of rebuilding and refurbishing it, but we've been talking for several seasons now about how it's slowing loosing it's luster. Perhaps it's being played out of the park like so many other things. I mean, an amphitheater isn't hard to replace anyway, and this would be a super convenient site for a major coaster station.

Still tough to say though. Only time will tell if this means that Echo Hollow improvements are on the way, or something else entirely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 19, 2016, 11:43:28 PM
Look at it this way. Echo Hollow is only used after the park closes.  So noise from the coaster would be minimally invasive to the amphitheater.  There have been rumors of EH being removed in the near future and replaced with a more modern facility closer to the main gate.  I don't see that happening as there is a more pressing project that is to occur along with the coaster. I give this EH at minimum 2 more seasons
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 20, 2016, 08:43:53 AM
I thought this was EH last year?  These rumors are confusing.

So the coaster will not be build over the EH site?  Doesn't seem like there is enough room between EH and TnT?  Will it wrap around EH down and run down around GE?  Will it invade the TnT lot?

Ehhhhh.....is it a down and out design or more condensed?

I still say it's 50/50 on if that is just a sidewalk expansion....lol....or SDC is just messing with us for fun.....guess time will tell if more markers start showing up and/or shovels start turning dirt.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 20, 2016, 10:41:15 AM
Well let's just go with the station area being where the Skillet area and those 3 buildings are.  The lift hill could head towards Indian Point Road and then dogleg around the back of EH.  A good majority of the ride could then be over south of GE and then a brake run back to the station.  WildEagle is basically an out and back.  I imagine our version will be similar.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on April 20, 2016, 11:47:21 AM
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WildEagle is basically an out and back.
What was the pricetag for Wild Eagle?
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Post by: shavethewhales on April 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
I'm sure they wouldn't go for something too similar to Wild Eagle. For one thing, Wild Eagle seems to have been designed to be DW's version of Wildfire, meaning that it was always intended to be pretty basic and the wing rider aspect was tacked on as a neat touch. Since SDC already has a standard looper that blows WE out of the water they obviously would innovate a little more if they got a wing coaster. Not to mention the fact that B&M's wing coaster designs have come a long way in any case.

There's plenty of room for twists and turns out behind EH though, and the terrain provides some interesting opportunities.

Wild Eagle was $20 million. I'm not sure what the split was between the coaster itself and land work though.
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Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 20, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Not sure I like the idea of an out and back at that location.  Hard to image not seeing IndianPoint Rd and 76 from the coaster if that was done:(  Sounds like they might be thinking about making it an visual at the parks entry.

I was hoping for a more condensed footprint ride on that side of the park next year.....then another out-and-back terrain coaster on the other side of the park to follow.

I do trust SDC leadership to make it awesome.....just don't want it to feel or look like other amusement parks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 20, 2016, 04:23:29 PM
Yes, WildEagle was $20M and that's the number that keeps coming up in all the rumors surrounding our wing coaster.  As far as "out and back" - that was just an example of how it could work IF the station is around where those markings are.  It doesn't mean it WILL be just an out and back. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 21, 2016, 08:25:18 AM
I did the google earth lookup last night....their is a lot more room back behind EH than I thought.  I thought EH was a lot closer to Indian Pt Rd.  I could see a major coaster squeeze back their especially if i did loop up north around EH to GE area and back too.  If those kids rides get moved maybe they could still 'hide' the outside world from it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 08:42:58 AM
So is it decided that this is a Wing coaster?  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 09:24:09 AM
For the visual  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 21, 2016, 09:33:01 AM
^Thanks! No speculation thread is complete with out a few MS-paint mark-ups  ;D

As far as "hiding" it from the road goes, that ship has sailed long ago. For coasters especially there is no point in trying to hide it anymore, and the logistics of this space make it impossible in any case. I wouldn't be surprised if the station is on the other side of the Culinary school, and the lift hill goes smack up between the road and GE so the lifthill can "advertise" the park.

I'm still expecting a wing coaster design, but it's certainly debatable based on what makes sense for them and what they want to market. Wing coaster designs check off a lot of boxes, but other designs can too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
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As far as "hiding" it from the road goes, that ship has sailed long ago. For coasters especially there is no point in trying to hide it anymore, and the logistics of this space make it impossible in any case. I wouldn't be surprised if the station is on the other side of the Culinary school, and the lift hill goes smack up between the road and GE so the lifthill can "advertise" the park.

I AGREE COMPLETELY!
If anything I think SDC wants this ride to be seen! I think this is intended to be a game changer for them. I did hear from a friend who works there that they were told that the new ride would be able to be seen from far outside the park and they were trying to get national attention with this ride! This is what got me thinking a possible giga coaster! But it's hard to say.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 21, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
Tallest or fastest Wing Coaster?  That could get attention?  Still doesn't seem like enough room for a Giga.

Thx for the Pic ^^^
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
Oh there is PLENTY of room for a giga! This ride could feasably run out and behind Firemans Landing as well!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 21, 2016, 11:36:58 AM
They can make room for anything, but if they were going to go the route of making something really huge like a giga coaster then I doubt they would put it here. If they ever get a hyper/giga coaster, I'm sure they'll want to use the landscape on the other side of the park to their advantage. Plus, I don't think they'll want to spend $30 - $40 million on a giga since they seem to be looking into adding another major coaster soon after in 2020.

If they want national attention, maybe there will be some sort of gimmick involved...


Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on April 21, 2016, 11:39:32 AM
Oh there is PLENTY of room for a giga! This ride could feasably run out and behind Firemans Landing as well!

That's correct,  don't forget about the firemans landing area.... ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Or it could be the Worlds First B&M Launched Inverted Coaster! I couldn't be sad about that! ;p
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on April 21, 2016, 01:13:56 PM
Just My humble opinion but I would love to see what RMC could do in this area with the new T-Rex track. HFE has a history with RMC so maybe it is not to far of a pie in the sky dream.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 21, 2016, 01:31:42 PM
Lol so much for my hopes that HFEC gets with GCI to rebuild a modified OzCat near the Expo. (I posted the concept in the long term thread)
http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=3274.120

I will guess if this is supposed to be big and a national attention getter I think it will be a launched (and maybe also a first ever inverted) wing coaster with a 200 foot drop and a ride length of 4000+ feet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on April 21, 2016, 01:52:12 PM
You all really think SDC will put in another launched coaster when we already have PK?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 21, 2016, 02:11:07 PM
We already have multiple chain lifts?  What's wrong with having multiple launches in the same park?  That comment doesn't make sense except I think your point is that we don't have any proof that it will be a launch?

I also assume that the Invert or winged rumors come directly from the thought that it has to be a B&M and those are the only types B&M make that would be new.

I'm not sure I'd want a launched invert?  What elements would you have after an invert launch?
 
I'm not sure about a winged coaster either based on reviews of the other winged rides.....seem to have mediocre review from the coaster communities.  Maybe ours could take the best of the best that have already been built?

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 21, 2016, 03:04:22 PM
It could in theory combine the size of the Banshee invert with the launch aspect of Thunderbird. The park never fails with the theming so they could very well construct a large mineshaft or tunnel into the hillside (hence ThuNderaTion) or some kind of tower for the coaster to fly through as a keyhole element.

On a side note it is interesting to point out that there is nothing like Wildfire on the B&M website. Looks like it was actually a hybrid of a floorless and a standard sitting coaster. I wonder what that is all about.

http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 21, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
Before anyone lets their imagination run too wild, I'll remind you that this discussion is all based on hearsay.  ;)

I don't think there's any reason to do a launched B&M invert. The B&M invert design is fun for tight elements close to the ground, but otherwise it encapsulates riders so much that it spoils some of the effects of a launch or high speeds. Plus there already are launched inverts from other manufacturers, so it wouldn't be anything specially marketable. Also, both WOF and SFStL have inverts, so I was assuming it was off the list for SDC.

^Wildfire was a standard sit-down with special prototype "stadium-seating" trains. I think the trains are standard for them now? I think Hulk is either getting them or floorless trains...

I don't remember why the rumors are gravitating towards B&M, but if that is indeed the manufacturer, nothing in their catalog really seems to "fit" the park right now except the wing coaster and the flying coaster (seeing as they are already looking at a Dive coaster separately). As I'm sure we've discussed before, a flying coaster should be really marketable around here seeing as the closest installation is in Chicago and there are lots of opportunities to make it interesting with the landscaping and theming. Wing coasters are also visually interesting and are practically made for fly-through theming, but at the end of the day it wouldn't be all that different than Wildfire...

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 21, 2016, 04:25:44 PM
Still think a Hype Giga is likely because there isn't anything truly like it nearby. I don't count mamba and they are highly marketable! The park has nothing like it either!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Hollwood on April 21, 2016, 07:27:55 PM
How about B&M's take on this... No large hills required. This would look sick tucked in behind expo. Could you imagine an over banked curve screaming by the Electro Spin queue line?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5-rHCmHRG84
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 21, 2016, 09:04:38 PM
Let's go full blown MS Paint here.  8)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/SDC/SDC_zpshk9iamy6.jpg)

The orange is where the markers are now located.
The yellow area is the rumored area that might be cleared for the new coaster plaza area.
The blue area is the possible area of the new coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on April 22, 2016, 02:46:15 AM
Hmmm. So would it be just the seating by the skillets that would go, or would the skillets go, too?

For anyone interested, here's the Bird's-Eye view from Bing, showing a different angle so you can better see the area Swoosh highlighted in yellow:

http://binged.it/1SV6g3Z (make sure you're in "Classic Mode"; to get it from the new Bing Maps, hit "Previous Version" on the bottom right corner - for some reason, Bing did away with all its 45-degree photos in the new version; I'm working slowly but surely on screencapping and stitching together all the various angle views for SDC in case they stop letting people access the Classic Maps)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 22, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
If it is a Giga....I guess their is no hiding riders from seeing the hwy....lol.  Probably would have a great view of downtown Branson.  Maybe they can hook up some ziplines to it too.... :P

Themeing a Giga at SDC might be a challenge.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 22, 2016, 08:26:11 AM
^I mean, besides FITH and the kiddie coaster you can see outside the park on every SDC coaster. Even Thunderation gets close to the highway. The "hiding it from the highway" discussion hasn't made sense since 2001. The real issue is keeping a huge coaster from ruining the ambiance of the park. There are good ways to do it, like how Mystery Mine is so embedded in the theming that the coaster doesn't even stick out, but a giant B&M right next to a major pathway kills any ambiance of being an Ozark town.

If it's down behind EH, it will be visible from the park, but far enough away from the "streets" to not really take you out of the theme experience, so that's probably as good a compromise as one could hope for.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 22, 2016, 09:48:24 AM
They can make room for anything, but if they were going to go the route of making something really huge like a giga coaster then I doubt they would put it here. If they ever get a hyper/giga coaster, I'm sure they'll want to use the landscape on the other side of the park to their advantage. Plus, I don't think they'll want to spend $30 - $40 million on a giga since they seem to be looking into adding another major coaster soon after in 2020.

If they want national attention, maybe there will be some sort of gimmick involved...

Could that 40 million be 20 million for coaster and 20 million for Echo relocation and kiddie ride shuffling.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 22, 2016, 09:59:21 AM
I know you can see the coasters from outside the park.....the Branson West Mickey D's has a great view of the OR drop. 

PK, WF, and OR all still feel like you are in the woods when you ride them because they mostly face out over the hills and lake.....not back toward the town.  TnT really feels like a trip through the woods.....you really have to be looking to notice Indian Pt road.....or for that matter for people on Indian Pt to notice that the track is right there behind the trees.  None of them have any moments when the track drops 'into' a parking lot or runs next to an outside road like is common at almost all other amusement parks outside of Disney.  Stuff like that is what helps SDC stay special. 

and to those points....GE is the only themed area in SDC where having a giga type of coaster run around the area might make sense for its themeing.  Could you imagine a modern coaster track running around the entrance or town square area?  That would kill the theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
They can make room for anything, but if they were going to go the route of making something really huge like a giga coaster then I doubt they would put it here. If they ever get a hyper/giga coaster, I'm sure they'll want to use the landscape on the other side of the park to their advantage. Plus, I don't think they'll want to spend $30 - $40 million on a giga since they seem to be looking into adding another major coaster soon after in 2020.

If they want national attention, maybe there will be some sort of gimmick involved...

Could that 40 million be 20 million for coaster and 20 million for Echo relocation and kiddie ride shuffling.

The coaster will be at the $20M mark.  That's the one thing that has remained constant with all the rumors. 

I would be surprised if EH is moved this year as they have another pressing project in mind and I think if they did that project, the coaster and EH - that would stretch the local contractors too much.  I'm having issues with how they'll get the coaster and the other project done before opening next year as is. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on April 22, 2016, 12:13:14 PM
I know you can see the coasters from outside the park.....the Branson West Mickey D's has a great view of the OR drop. 

PK, WF, and OR all still feel like you are in the woods when you ride them because they mostly face out over the hills and lake.....not back toward the town.  TnT really feels like a trip through the woods.....you really have to be looking to notice Indian Pt road.....or for that matter for people on Indian Pt to notice that the track is right there behind the trees.  None of them have any moments when the track drops 'into' a parking lot or runs next to an outside road like is common at almost all other amusement parks outside of Disney.  Stuff like that is what helps SDC stay special. 

and to those points....GE is the only themed area in SDC where having a giga type of coaster run around the area might make sense for its themeing.  Could you imagine a modern coaster track running around the entrance or town square area?  That would kill the theme.

In my opinion, we don't have to worry about them running a coaster track through or around the town square because they haven't ever done that. All of their major ride additions have been on the outskirts of the park to keep the city feel going. Let's give the PTB some credit! They do extremely well keeping up with the Ozark theme while also keeping up with the times. I don't think we have any reason to worry about it because they've never given me any reason to worry about it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 22, 2016, 01:52:10 PM
I really do trust that they will do a great job on this.....but this is the closest new coaster addition we've had to the center/front of the park in a long time.  Just something to talk about I guess.  If it was going back between WF and OR I'm not sure what I could worry (complain) about....lol.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 22, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
I just hope ThuNderaTion doesn't get put on the chopping block. I consider it a staple/icon of SDC. Plus it is the best Arrow Mine Train Coaster in the world.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
I just hope ThuNderaTion doesn't get put on the chopping block. I consider it a staple/icon of SDC. Plus it is the best Arrow Mine Train Coaster in the world.

Nothing I've heard has led me to believe that TNT is in trouble.  It just got a new entry arch this year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 22, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
They could shorten the TnT queue if they needed the room....lol.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 22, 2016, 05:03:17 PM
They could shorten the TnT queue if they needed the room....lol.

This I wouldn't mind.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 22, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
Dollywood's new coaster is located in a more "city-ish" part of that park, and they've handled that by making the station area huge with architecture that really highlights and compliments the entire area. The coaster is visible, but mostly tucked behind. The station is basically in two parts with a small service station that serves as the gift shop and entry in front and a large antique warehouse looking building in the back for the actual station. This setup keeps the ambiance mostly in tact, but highlights the coaster just enough that the huge investment and main attraction isn't hidden from the guests. I know we'd prefer if you never actually saw the coaster until you got to the station, but it doesn't make sense to hide a signature attraction.

It's just one of those things where you can't stop the ambiance from getting more amusement park-ish, but you can demand a high standard so that it's at least unique and immersive to some degree.

Also, just throwing this out there, but what if they simply open this area up for more eating space and an observation deck, while the coaster station is over closer to the bug rides? That was the big rumor a few years ago - that there were markings around that area and that a coaster would go there. That's why people keep talking about the bug rides maybe being moved somewhere else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 22, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Well there are markers there - hard to photograph though.   I think we all thought the station would be there because of those markers, never stopping to think that it would only be the course going over there - not origination of the ride. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on April 27, 2016, 03:10:37 PM
I know a "Dive Coaster" is one of the many rumors.  I've never rode one....do they typically have air time?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
Dive Coaster is 2020.  YouTube SheiKra, Griffon and Valravn to see the type of airtime these coasters produce. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 27, 2016, 05:07:24 PM
Dive Coaster is 2020.  YouTube SheiKra, Griffon and Valravn to see the type of airtime these coasters produce.

Amazing you know the results of the survey and seen the bill of sale for the 2020 ride. Outstanding work!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on April 27, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
Found these red marker flags next to the line for the swings. There are red flag markers all around the outside of the swings, in the forbidden area. I also saw the red marker flags going down to Echo Hollow, where I am now. They were playing good music earlier, so I know this will be a good show.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2016, 06:48:28 PM
Dive Coaster is 2020.  YouTube SheiKra, Griffon and Valravn to see the type of airtime these coasters produce.

Amazing you know the results of the survey and seen the bill of sale for the 2020 ride. Outstanding work!

I'm not sure what's cuter.   Your lame attempt at being savage.  OR  You thinking the results of that survey matters. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 27, 2016, 07:41:00 PM
^^Thanks for the photo Laroy. Good spot!

One way or another, something is definitely happening all around EH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 27, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
Dive Coaster is 2020.  YouTube SheiKra, Griffon and Valravn to see the type of airtime these coasters produce.

Amazing you know the results of the survey and seen the bill of sale for the 2020 ride. Outstanding work!

I'm not sure what's cuter.   Your lame attempt at being savage.  OR  You thinking the results of that survey matters.

Maybe you and I should start a change.org petition for our prefered coaster. You are familiar with those right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on April 27, 2016, 08:03:07 PM
^^Thanks for the photo Laroy. Good spot!

One way or another, something is definitely happening all around EH.

Call it the Dolby Coaster because it's all around you.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2016, 08:05:05 PM
Found these red marker flags next to the line for the swings. There are red flag markers all around the outside of the swings, in the forbidden area. I also saw the red marker flags going down to Echo Hollow, where I am now. They were playing good music earlier, so I know this will be a good show.

Red means electric (for what it's worth)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on April 27, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
Dive Coaster is 2020.  YouTube SheiKra, Griffon and Valravn to see the type of airtime these coasters produce.

Amazing you know the results of the survey and seen the bill of sale for the 2020 ride. Outstanding work!

I'm not sure what's cuter.   Your lame attempt at being savage.  OR  You thinking the results of that survey matters.

Maybe you and I should start a change.org petition for our prefered coaster. You are familiar with those right?

I'm not sure what's going on here, but it sounds like this could escalate and get someone suspended if it continues.  Let's try to keep things civilized and stay on topic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on April 28, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
So now that were starting to really see Markers and what not when do we think we will start seeing some actual ground moving? It's starting to get exciting! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on April 28, 2016, 01:07:24 PM
For some reason I want to say late may/june? Impossible to know the schedule especially when we have no idea what this entails, but that seems to have become a typical start time for really early stage work. Hard to say if the surveying means they'll start work soon - I've seen some sites sit for ages after being surveyed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on April 28, 2016, 05:26:29 PM
Did we guess early and close enough on Outlaw Run that they're being more tight-lipped on this one?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 28, 2016, 05:53:04 PM
Since it is still presumed to likely be a B&M, does anyone on here remember the time frame from when Wildfire was being plotted and actual construction began?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on April 28, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
I asked some employees if they saw any red marker flags. They said they never heard about a coaster next year. They thought it would be the year for ride upkeep/clean up, but I know they cleaned up a lot this year including rides.

I saw the Talking Picture in Flooded Mine is still not working. I asked Sarg (Manager of Flooded Mine) about it and he said they dont have enough money to fix it.....even though they have $40 million for a new coaster....It looks to me that Flooded Mine will probably be the location of the 2020 ride, and they will have a big celebration for it. Ive heard several people say it before: It is slowly disappearing. I think they put the new roof on it this year just so it will be able to last 3 more years. There was also no music playing at all in there and I dont think it will be playing again.

Today I saw they moved the Flooded Mine picture thing down a few feet from the entrance. In its place is this building. I looked under the flap and there is nothing but pieces of wood inside. Not sure what they are putting here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: DeweyBald on April 28, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Man, that absolutely sucks about FM.  They have plenty of money to "fix it"....they just don't want to.  How sad that the PTB are losing touch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 28, 2016, 10:15:36 PM
As of right now, FM will make its 50th anniversary.  The "plot" rumored to be the place for the 2020 addition is over by PK and WF.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on April 28, 2016, 10:31:43 PM
I too will have to respectfully disagree with the idea of its imminent demise. When I filmed my ride-thru video back in March the ride experience to me was the best its been in many years. The props, lighting and effects were greatly improved. Even the music was playing during my visit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on April 28, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Well the sound didn't work from the saw mill room to the end last time I rode.  The dynamite room sound hasn't worked both times I've been there this year. The animatronic in the load station was working the last time I was there.  Can't remember the last time I saw it working
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 17, 2016, 11:27:58 PM
Hope this is okay to post here, but I found this interesting tidbit regarding the 2017 coaster posted on the TPR forums. Apparently employees are now being being told that they will have to start parking elsewhere to make way for the construction staging. The first signs of construction activity on the plotted site will probably start showing up by the middle of next month I bet.

http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=162&start=3880
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 06:23:31 AM
Hmmm.  I am taking a wait and see on that.  Seems pretty early for track and supports to be arriving. I'll be on park today and will check out the site to see if anything new is happening. 

While it would be exciting for track and supports to start arriving as it would confirm the coaster is coming, let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Shoot, we don't even have photos from the B&M facility in Ohio yet. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 18, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
Hmmm.  I am taking a wait and see on that.  Seems pretty early for track and supports to be arriving. I'll be on park today and will check out the site to see if anything new is happening. 

While it would be exciting for track and supports to start arriving as it would confirm the coaster is coming, let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Shoot, we don't even have photos from the B&M facility in Ohio yet.

Now this is a disingenuously funny post considering the TPR member that posted that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 07:46:05 AM
Hmmm.  I am taking a wait and see on that.  Seems pretty early for track and supports to be arriving. I'll be on park today and will check out the site to see if anything new is happening. 

While it would be exciting for track and supports to start arriving as it would confirm the coaster is coming, let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Shoot, we don't even have photos from the B&M facility in Ohio yet.

Now this is a disingenuously funny post considering the TPR member that posted that.

I'm guessing that's your handle over there then?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 18, 2016, 08:10:10 AM
I thought that member was Swoosh... :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 08:15:47 AM
I thought that member was Swoosh... :o

No my handle was banned over there a long time ago. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2016, 11:10:28 AM
Regardless of where the rumor comes from, I can certainly believe that supplies may show up this month, and certainly going into June. Sometimes they deliver steel early anyway, like how Maverick sat in an open lot outside Cedar Point for months before it was even moved into the build area.

I'm not sure how closely the Clermont plant is watched, but last I saw, there were enough different coasters under construction there that some of them were anyone's guess. It'll be interesting to see if track gets spotted on the road again. I remember when Wild Eagle was still a rumor, the first time we knew it was a B&M was when the track actually got spotted heading toward DW before the first delivery was even made.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 11:21:07 AM
Just arrived at the park and noticed on Indian Point Rd that they are doing some clearing over behind Echo Hollow - new access road?  Will go over by GE later and see if there is anymore movement
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 18, 2016, 01:13:18 PM
I thought that member was Swoosh... :o

No my handle was banned over there a long time ago.

Nice charade you've  got going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
::) You're allowed to believe whatever you want.  You usually do. 


So really can't see much in the park.  You can hear the wood chipper going full speed though over in GE. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Wildfire on May 18, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
Everyone knows PhantomPoster32 and Swoosh are one in the same.  It has been obvious for months
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2016, 03:06:07 PM
This thread is about the 2017 project, not TPR conspiracy theories. I don't care who goes by what, and you shouldn't either.


Thanks for the update Swoosh. Perhaps by Saturday the work area will be more obvious.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on May 18, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
^ I get that and the importance of staying on topic and what not. But what I don't get is why Swoosh is allowed over and over again to be a jerk to other members and nothing happens. It was being pointed out that he posted something somewhere else and then comes here, posts something totally different, then antagonizes people for calling him out. He clogs many topics on here with his rudeness and above-it-all attitude. It's old.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 06:05:32 PM
Well to all of those that feel like I have wronged them in the past, I apologize.  I don't feel like I attacked anyone on here in to warrant this current uprising but I guess if you were on the receiving end of one of my rants in the past you might be a little gun shy and feel otherwise.  I'm not going to discuss the conspiracy theory because it doesn't matter one way or the other. 

I was able to confirm today that track and parts will not arrive until later next month at the earliest.  I was told to start watching the TESS database as the name is supposed to be filed in the upcoming weeks (though they may file more than one to throw people off on the theme).  The one thing that is very obvious is that they are clearing a lot of land and trees already and they are starting as far away from the park as they can (on the lot where it is going)

I have some photos I'll post later. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: EliToltz on May 18, 2016, 06:52:16 PM
Seen a lot of dirt work happening today on service road and on the side of the lift hill on tnt! Alain seen mini excavator tucked in the woods after final drop of tnt. Getting curious as to what's going on, they were hauling loads of dirt from the woods behind eh to parking lot 3. Getting excited, will be there off and on for next five days hopefully will see more hints
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 07:14:40 PM
It sounds like they are expanding the onsite parking again so the dirt they're removing from the construction site is being used as fill
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 18, 2016, 08:06:41 PM
Seen a lot of dirt work happening today on service road and on the side of the lift hill on tnt! Alain seen mini excavator tucked in the woods after final drop of tnt. Getting curious as to what's going on, they were hauling loads of dirt from the woods behind eh to parking lot 3. Getting excited, will be there off and on for next five days hopefully will see more hints

While it is probably highly unlikely it will ever happen, I would love to see TNT get refurbed or even extended. Or at least make the top of the lift hill enclosed all the way to the drop as a surprise element. This also makes me wonder if the scale of the new coaster might actually interact with its track quite a bit more than we realize. Not sure how to feel about that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 09:02:08 PM
As long as it is just an interact and not a replace I'm fine with it.  Considering the potential layout I don't see how it can help from sharing the same land. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 18, 2016, 09:17:16 PM
Seen a lot of dirt work happening today on service road and on the side of the lift hill on tnt! Alain seen mini excavator tucked in the woods after final drop of tnt. Getting curious as to what's going on, they were hauling loads of dirt from the woods behind eh to parking lot 3. Getting excited, will be there off and on for next five days hopefully will see more hints

Welcome! Thanks for pointing that out - I'll be sure to look for it.


^They've been investing a bit in keeping TNT from falling apart, but I doubt they'll ever really invest in improving it. Hard to get them to fix what isn't broke.

I'll miss the brief back woods portion of TNT though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on May 18, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
Seen a lot of dirt work happening today on service road and on the side of the lift hill on tnt! Alain seen mini excavator tucked in the woods after final drop of tnt. Getting curious as to what's going on, they were hauling loads of dirt from the woods behind eh to parking lot 3. Getting excited, will be there off and on for next five days hopefully will see more hints

Welcome! Thanks for pointing that out - I'll be sure to look for it.


^They've been investing a bit in keeping TNT from falling apart, but I doubt they'll ever really invest in improving it. Hard to get them to fix what isn't broke.

I'll miss the brief back woods portion of TNT though.

I feel like it would be hard to do anything to TNT considering the manufacturer no longer exists.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 18, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Seen a lot of dirt work happening today on service road and on the side of the lift hill on tnt! Alain seen mini excavator tucked in the woods after final drop of tnt. Getting curious as to what's going on, they were hauling loads of dirt from the woods behind eh to parking lot 3. Getting excited, will be there off and on for next five days hopefully will see more hints

Welcome! Thanks for pointing that out - I'll be sure to look for it.


^They've been investing a bit in keeping TNT from falling apart, but I doubt they'll ever really invest in improving it. Hard to get them to fix what isn't broke.

I'll miss the brief back woods portion of TNT though.

I feel like it would be hard to do anything to TNT considering the manufacturer no longer exists.

Technically S&S~S bought them out. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 19, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
Officially excited and "worried" (in a firstworldproblem kind of way).

Still hope they build it so it still feels like your in the 1880's theme park (like run it through the woods)....and not a six flags parking lot ride.  Just don't expand parking to below the first drop!!!  Already sounds like some of the TnT out in the woods theme might be impacted.

I'm not a tree hugger and usually trust SDC.....but with this coaster I'm starting to become the crazy "Save the Trees" guy  :-\

 


Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on May 19, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
I'm so excited.  I love the lead up to a new attraction.  We will be in the park in a couple of weeks and I can't wait to see what's going on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 10:59:22 AM
So, a couple things. I assume based on the most recent talk that the target area is that which runs behind EH from TNT to the back corner of GE. First of all, am I the only one concerned about the lack of space here? Obviously, it's very difficult to tell just how much land there actually is to work with here based on how wooded it is, but from the looks of the satellite view below, I'm very skeptical about anything of real significance being able to go into the potential highlighted footprint. And that's even if they would utilize the far corner that flanks the kiddie corner in GE. Just doesn't seem like there is enough room here to add a really sizable coaster. That said, I am not a coaster designer or engineer so this is nothing more than my subjective and somewhat ignorant stance based on many unknowns. From the looks of the the overhead view, I don't think the area in question would even accommodate a coaster the size of anything we already have on park. And from a length perspective, I personally feel like SDC still lacks a larger coaster. My next question is, what are the chances that the PTB would entertain allowing the circuit to extend over (or under ;D) Indian Point Rd. to utilize real estate they obviously own, but clearly falls outside of the existing park "boundaries"?

Lastly, I'm interested to hear what everyone's speculative take is on which type of coaster you anticipate coming? Based on the area in question, I'm just not sure, but my concerns currently outweigh my excitement. Hopefully, that changes.

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-19%20at%2010.42.06%20AM_zpsiak09fzq.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
You're a little off on your area.  There is no activity between Indian Point Road and Electrospin.  The flags stop just past the southern fence by Wave Carousel and the kiddie insect rides in GE.  The flags then continue over by the restrooms at GE.  There were orange ones there a long time ago. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 19, 2016, 11:44:08 AM
There's more than enough land there for a major coaster. It will just have to be a little more compact and twisted than the others in the park. The real question, as HumphreyHawk pointed out, is how well they can fit one in while keeping some trees and vista intact. I still say they deserve the benefit of the doubt though.

I've never really seen going over the road as a likelihood given the added expense and liability, but there are now at least two coasters in the U.S. that go over roads so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 01:00:17 PM
You're a little off on your area.  There is no activity between Indian Point Road and Electrospin.  The flags stop just past the southern fence by Wave Carousel and the kiddie insect rides in GE.  The flags then continue over by the restrooms at GE.  There were orange ones there a long time ago.

Gotcha, thanks. That makes me even more curious and skeptical. And just for clarity, I simply highlighted the "availability" of open land in that area that could be developed. It wasn't meant as an indicator of where activity is happening, or necessarily going to happen. I can't remember off hand where the restrooms are you are referring to as we've never had to use them near GE? Where are those exactly?

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
There's more than enough land there for a major coaster. It will just have to be a little more compact and twisted than the others in the park

I don't see how there is more than enough room based on what the satellite view indicates, unless you're talking about the potential that EH and/or TNT will be removed or modified to accommodate a new coaster. If they are not, I'm led to believe the only viable option would be a modest dive coaster with a very vertically aggressive lift and a very twisted layout.

This location alone is very much a double edge sword for me. While I believe a major coaster attraction would do wonders for balancing park traffic, I worry the footprint of real estate being speculated upon is nothing close to what would be needed for anything game-changing.

As always, I hope all involved behind the scenes have plenty up there sleeves that will change all that skepticism.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
Looks like it's time to break out the MS Paint
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 01:13:29 PM
Looks like it's time to break out the MS Paint

Ha. I used Adobe InDesign, but when we're talking about a flat 2-D satellite image, there isn't a whole lot of room for getting too artsy here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 01:36:18 PM
Looks like it's time to break out the MS Paint

Ha. I used Adobe InDesign, but when we're talking about a flat 2-D satellite image, there isn't a whole lot of room for getting too artsy here.

Besides that, FitH is way not where it says...

But anyway, I'd love to see a master plan; is EH really in plans to be moved/remade?  That changes a lot.  I'm all for keeping as much of a buffer between the inside and the outside as possible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 01:45:40 PM

Besides that, FitH is way not where it says...

Not my doing. That's all Google Earth. I simply added the colored area in question and the question mark on the other side of Indian Point Rd.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
I was actually talking about myself - I have Adobe InDesign as well, but I didn't feel like being artsy fartsy today.

CONSTRUCTION:
1. Red markers near Grand Expo (near Wave Carousel and Kiddie Rides)
2. Orange markers near EH Restrooms
3. Purple markers near EH Restrooms
4. Orange area where land and trees have already been cleared.

SPECULATION TO FOLLOW:
1. I feel that the GE Restrooms will be removed and replaced with a new complex elsewhere
2. I feel that several of the restaurants right above the GE Restrooms will be removed
3. I feel that the entrance/station for the ride will where the GE Restrooms are
4. I feel that the ride will overlap TNT - I'm hoping that is all that it does
5. I feel that the course of the ride will be basically a curvy L that goes around EH
6. I feel that when track and supports arrive, they will be staged in the employee parking lot near the front of the park.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/Dustijn/SDC/Untitled_zpsfb5sfkhp.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 01:49:24 PM
Gotcha. Good to know. Thanks for the visual reference as to where activity and markers can currently be seen on park. That helps a bunch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 01:52:48 PM
Looking at the map again, I might have put the construction area a little too far south, but it is in that general area
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 01:59:21 PM
Any idea about if it might queue along with TnT?  Use part of the current TnT queue?

Will insects and frogs be moved for this?  They'd fit in HDH to make the area more relevant.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 02:08:12 PM
Any idea about if it might queue along with TnT?  Use part of the current TnT queue?

Will insects and frogs be moved for this?  They'd fit in HDH to make the area more relevant.

AGAIN - THIS IS ONLY SPECULATION
I don't think that it will queue next to TNT.  I think the entrance to the queue will be across from Flooded Mine and that entire area will be the plaza for the ride.

I don't see the kiddie rides moving now.  I think it was originally the plan to move them, but now there is no need as I don't see the ride coming that far north.

Now while there are red flags and markers right next to the fence to Wave Carousel - those are for electric work.  They are not markers for footers.  Apparently they just redid a bunch of the power grid on that side of the park and that's what those markers are left over from
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
A plaza would be nice in that area, but it might be nice to have both queues enter at the plaza.

In this case, a complete mining area, including an awesome mine-themed "plaza" would be entirely awesome.  I could get excited about that in a big way.

Would they be uncreative enough to theme a hanging coaster as a "bat"?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 02:47:47 PM
A plaza would be nice in that area, but it might be nice to have both queues enter at the plaza.

In this case, a complete mining area, including an awesome mine-themed "plaza" would be entirely awesome.  I could get excited about that in a big way.

Would they be uncreative enough to theme a hanging coaster as a "bat"?

I'm not sold on a mining theme for the sole reason that I think the 2020 Dive coaster will have a theme like Baron

I also don't see the 2017 coaster as an inverted.  I would wager it being a wing coaster (but that's partially because that's what I want)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 02:57:56 PM
But a wing could also be bat-themed, and could interact with TnT - as in, the miners disturbed the bat colony.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 19, 2016, 03:12:02 PM
LOL While on this discussion here was my old idea for rebuilding OzCat with modified supports to fit along the hillside. That idea is probably out now as they are more than likely going with a B&M I think. haha

A bat themed B&M Wing Coaster does seem somewhat viable. But the park could still use an invert which would work with that theme too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 19, 2016, 03:21:31 PM
And a Dive Coaster themed like Baron does definitely have the SDC style to it. I could see this being a nice addition to the park.

(http://static1.hln.be/static/photo/2015/12/14/5/20150629130706/media_xll_7832135.jpg)

(http://cdn.funkidslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Header-Baron-mobiel.jpg)

(http://www.flabber.nl/sites/default/files/styles/1034px/public/attachments/efteling-baron1898-1.jpg?itok=ldtVTp6k)



Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 19, 2016, 03:35:05 PM
I've not ridden one so do not judge, but can someone please enlighten me on what makes a dive coaster so special? I get that the first drop is often vertical or beyond vertical, but is that really the cache'? Again, I have yet to ride one, but the idea that the coaster basically hangs you in position and just drops you into the onset of the ride seems like it would take away from the traditional method of continued momentum that pushes and/or pulls you over the first lift hill into the first drop. Seems like there's something left to be desired. And most layouts I've seen look relatively vanilla beyond that first drop. Can anyone please shed some light on this type of coaster for those of us who have not experienced one? Not being judgmental, just asking for some insight. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 19, 2016, 03:36:15 PM
Bat Theme?   :-\   Maybe for a wing coaster but for an invert it would be way too close to all the SF batman rides.

A dive coaster interacting with TnT would be amazing.

How about a back story of a unlucky ozark local having an accident with explosives?   ;D

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 19, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Bat Theme?   :-\   Maybe for a wing coaster but for an invert it would be way too close to all the SF batman rides.

That would be my concern as well IF they went with a Bat theme as the GP would probably assume its an attempted ripoff of the various SF Batman coasters. Unless they directly themed it to the cave itself and less on the "Bat" aspect.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
I've not ridden one so do not judge, but can someone please enlighten me on what makes a dive coaster so special? I get that the first drop is often vertical or beyond vertical, but is that really the cache'? Again, I have yet to ride one, but the idea that the coaster basically hangs you in position and just drops you into the onset of the ride seems like it would take away from the traditional method of continued momentum that pushes and/or pulls you over the first lift hill into the first drop. Seems like there's something left to be desired. And most layouts I've seen look relatively vanilla beyond that first drop. Can anyone please shed some light on this type of coaster for those of us who have not experienced one? Not being judgmental, just asking for some insight.

The holding brake on the initial drop and the sheer size of the train (usually 8-10 passengers wide).  They're also rare over in the USA.  Valravn is only the third built here. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 19, 2016, 04:49:44 PM
I've not ridden one so do not judge, but can someone please enlighten me on what makes a dive coaster so special? I get that the first drop is often vertical or beyond vertical, but is that really the cache'? Again, I have yet to ride one, but the idea that the coaster basically hangs you in position and just drops you into the onset of the ride seems like it would take away from the traditional method of continued momentum that pushes and/or pulls you over the first lift hill into the first drop. Seems like there's something left to be desired. And most layouts I've seen look relatively vanilla beyond that first drop. Can anyone please shed some light on this type of coaster for those of us who have not experienced one? Not being judgmental, just asking for some insight.

It really is all about the vertical drops. They are much more thrilling than they look. The train design, holding brake, and steep lift hills really amplify it all. I've only been on Oblivion, which has been far out-shown at this point, but it really surprised me with how forceful the drop was. The steep lifts and drop make it much easier to theme as well.



There's still the other possibility: this could all be for an echo hollow rebuild.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 19, 2016, 04:54:38 PM

It really is all about the vertical drops. They are much more thrilling than they look. The train design, holding brake, and steep lift hills really amplify it all. I've only been on Oblivion, which has been far out-shown at this point, but it really surprised me with how forceful the drop was. The steep lifts and drop make it much easier to theme as well.


That and the park could really benefit from another rollercoaster with tunnels/interior elements like ThuNderaTion did. I kinda thought that was a missed opportunity when they converted Buzzsaw into Powderkeg. That ride could have totally benefited from that. Just think after that first airtime hill from the launch instead of it curving and dipping into another hill it could have instead went straight into the hillside and through a big tunnel and then out by the railroad tracks to meet with the old Buzzsaw track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 06:27:40 PM
Bat Theme?   :-\   Maybe for a wing coaster but for an invert it would be way too close to all the SF batman rides.

A dive coaster interacting with TnT would be amazing.

How about a back story of a unlucky ozark local having an accident with explosives?   ;D

That's why I said a bat was an uncreative theme.  Done correctly, like having it fly out of the Marvel Mine, and I could see it working.

I'm tired of using accidental explosives as a theme.  We already have explosives with PK, WF, FitH, and even FM.  ThuNderaTion is abbreviated TnT.  Even the Diving Bell had explosives.  I'd rather see some more thought put into it.  I know explosives are a natural part of mining, but there's got to be something else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on May 19, 2016, 08:20:01 PM
I love the idea of a mine theme. Something to tie the ride with Marvel Cave would be awesome. As I've said many times before, I trust SDC and until they prove otherwise I am waiting with nothing but anticipation for this.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 19, 2016, 09:34:08 PM
Of course the explosive statement was sarcastic....

If its a winged coaster and I had to bet on it.....I'd guess it will be a some sort of bird name. 

Any type of "____Hawk" usually does well....lol   Redhawk, blackhawk, Steelhawk, Thunderhawk, Ozarkhawk?


Maybe it could be themed to be a Jailbreak from FM!!!! 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 19, 2016, 09:35:48 PM
Of course the explosive statement was sarcastic....

If its a winged coaster and I had to bet on it.....I'd guess it will be a some sort of bird name. 

Any type of "____Hawk" usually does well....lol   Redhawk, blackhawk, Steelhawk, Thunderhawk, Ozarkhawk?


Maybe it could be themed to be a Jailbreak from FM!!!!

This isn't Cedarfair.  Herschend Family Entertainment is a little more original with names
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 19, 2016, 09:38:50 PM
Of course the explosive statement was sarcastic....

If its a winged coaster and I had to bet on it.....I'd guess it will be a some sort of bird name. 

Any type of "____Hawk" usually does well....lol   Redhawk, blackhawk, Steelhawk, Thunderhawk, Ozarkhawk?


Maybe it could be themed to be a Jailbreak from FM!!!!

Buzzard
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 10:30:30 PM
Maybe it could be themed to be a Jailbreak from FM!!!!

Buzzard

Jailbird
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 19, 2016, 10:32:55 PM
Of course the explosive statement was sarcastic....

I totally missed it...or fell for it... :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 20, 2016, 07:53:14 AM
This photo on TPR shows the construction very close to the roadway.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/image_2273.jpeg

From my experience with construction, when you are this close to a roadway and that deep, it usually means you are making a bore pit to tunnel under the roadway. But pictures can be illusions and the construction not actually be that close to the road, but with the cones on the roadway I think it's pretty close to the edge.

Jay

Disclaimer: this post is only a guess based on an observation of one photo and personal historical construction experience. Any indication I have a clue what is being constructed is only coincidental and any disclosure of confidential construction activity is completely accidental.
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 20, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Indian Point is a public highway.....if it was a tunnel for the ride....I'd assume a tunneling project would have had to been approved and known to the public by now.  I assume the same for any ideas to go over the road too.

On a similar note....to the idea of going through a cave.....as amazing as that would be....the change in environment between the outside and in a cave seems like it would be a maintenance nightmare both for the track itself and condition of the cave.  I'd assume at least one new opening would have to be made and that would immediately change the eco-environment and probably attract new wildlife seeking shelter.  Just seems dangerous.

Jailbird would be great :)   A few of the FM guys tunnel out into the nearby mine....  At the end of the ride they end up back in jail?  "O Brother where are thou" music playing....
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 20, 2016, 09:10:06 AM
Indian Point is a public highway.....if it was a tunnel for the ride....I'd assume a tunneling project would have had to been approved and known to the public by now.  I assume the same for any ideas to go over the road too.

On a similar note....to the idea of going through a cave.....as amazing as that would be....the change in environment between the outside and in a cave seems like it would be a maintenance nightmare both for the track itself and condition of the cave.  I'd assume at least one new opening would have to be made and that would immediately change the eco-environment and probably attract new wildlife seeking shelter.  Just seems dangerous.

Jailbird would be great :)   A few of the FM guys tunnel out into the nearby mine....  At the end of the ride they end up back in jail?  "O Brother where are thou" music playing....

As long as the coaster is bonafide and the ride attendants all use Dapper Dan.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 20, 2016, 09:25:21 AM

"Yessir, the South is gonna change. Everything's gonna be put on electricity and run on a paying basis. Out with old spiritual mumbo-jumbo, the superstition and the backward ways. We're gonna see a brave new world where they run everyone a wire and hook us all up to the grid. Yessir, a veritable age of reason - like they had in France. And not a moment too soon..." "Watcha riding there?....." "Rolltop desk"

This could explain why the mine flooded!!!! (but not why it's a jail?)

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 09:50:14 AM
This photo on TPR shows the construction very close to the roadway.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/image_2273.jpeg

From my experience with construction, when you are this close to a roadway and that deep, it usually means you are making a bore pit to tunnel under the roadway. But pictures can be illusions and the construction not actually be that close to the road, but with the cones on the roadway I think it's pretty close to the edge.

Jay

Disclaimer: this post is only a guess based on an observation of one photo and personal historical construction experience. Any indication I have a clue what is being constructed is only coincidental and any disclosure of confidential construction activity is completely accidental.

Thanks so much for sharing the pic. That looks an awful lot like work leading up to tunneling under Indian Point Rd. Can anyone offer any other explanation or guess as to why in the world they would be excavating that deeply right next to the road? That would be something it this is what's actually going on. And it would play right into the photo I posted yesterday of extending the circuit under or over the road to extend the footprint of the coaster into the area on the other side, which affords all kinds of possibilities...and exposure to people not yet in the park.

Whatever's going on it's getting juicy. They could be putting in another parking lot here for all we know, but when the Earth starts turning over, man the speculation sure is fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 20, 2016, 10:33:52 AM
Hard to say from the photo, but the depth there could just be the topography, or they could just be putting a culvert in. It would be awesome to have a tunnel under the roadway, but not something I'd ever guess them doing just based on cost-effectiveness. The tunnel would end up costing more than the ride itself. Just my assumption though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2016, 11:06:39 AM
Or that's just the new access road they're building to the construction site (which it is)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
Just curious, but why would you assume that putting a tunnel under the roadway would not be cost effective and cost more than the ride itself? It's just a four lane road. Assuming there are no utilities to contend with, I would think it's as simple as closing the road one lane at a time, digging to the depth you want the tunnel and burying pre-formed hollow concrete "blocks". When one or two sections are laid, you backfill over them, slap down a new section of pavement and continue moving until you've reached the other side. The county I live in has done this dozens of times as hundreds of miles of old railroad tracks have been converted into a massive network of bike trails. I can't imagine something like this (if they are in fact doing it) being much more than a larger scale version of the same thing. We aren't talking about a million dollars to put a tunnel under 40-60 linear feet of asphalt.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 11:13:09 AM
Or that's just the new access road they're building to the construction site (which it is)

Right. But if it's nothing more than a simple access road, why the depth and drop off of the excavating? Why not just minimal clearing that just looks like a natural and level road that seemingly connects to and extends from Indian Point Rd.?

It may not be the beginnings of tunnel work, but there's something more going on there than just providing an access road from Indian Point to another site. Perhaps they're just borrowing dirt and moving it elsewhere for some other elevation-related need.

If I were in Branson and/or visiting the park, you can bet I would have no problem stopping the car and snapping a pic from the side of the road, right into that dirt work.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
The drop off was already there.  They have chewed through a hill to make a flat road and have added fill to make it wider.  It is an access road and nothing more. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
The drop off was already there.  They have chewed through a hill to make a flat road and have added fill to make it wider.  It is an access road and nothing more.

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

Do you speculate this ride will require wiping out a wide footprint similar to WF and providing a more open feel, or do you envision something closer to OR, where they clearly did everything they could to utilize terrain and minimize tree loss to enhance the aesthetics and ride experience?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 20, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
On a similar note....to the idea of going through a cave.....as amazing as that would be....the change in environment between the outside and in a cave seems like it would be a maintenance nightmare both for the track itself and condition of the cave.  I'd assume at least one new opening would have to be made and that would immediately change the eco-environment and probably attract new wildlife seeking shelter.  Just seems dangerous.

I did not mean to imply that they would use the real cave, but that they would construct a pseudocavern above ground.  People could wait in line inside the cool "cave" and then burst into the sunlight (or starlight) with the bat colony.

Name possibilities:  Batburst, Escape, Nightwing, The Echo, Microchiroptera Mahem
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 11:34:17 AM
If you're gonna play with names at this point and love the bat theme for whatever reason, there's only one viable option in my book. 

OH GUANO!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 20, 2016, 11:39:41 AM
I wasn't going there, but of course I would return to my tagline for the cave.  It would also subtitle this attraction and make for a great t-shirt:

GUANO HAPPENS.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
Here are some construction photos and we found a marker that you might find interesting.
https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/05/project-2017-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 20, 2016, 11:52:15 AM
Thanks for the pics. That's either insanely ignorant, or absolutely hilarious on their part. Love it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 20, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Thanks for the photos Swoosh. I have a feeling the stake is someone messing around, lol.

Just curious, but why would you assume that putting a tunnel under the roadway would not be cost effective and cost more than the ride itself? It's just a four lane road. Assuming there are no utilities to contend with, I would think it's as simple as closing the road one lane at a time, digging to the depth you want the tunnel and burying pre-formed hollow concrete "blocks". When one or two sections are laid, you backfill over them, slap down a new section of pavement and continue moving until you've reached the other side. The county I live in has done this dozens of times as hundreds of miles of old railroad tracks have been converted into a massive network of bike trails. I can't imagine something like this (if they are in fact doing it) being much more than a larger scale version of the same thing. We aren't talking about a million dollars to put a tunnel under 40-60 linear feet of asphalt.

A lot of construction sounds easy, but when you deal with major roadways the costs can easily become astronomical. I don't do cost estimating in my area of work at all, so I have no real idea, but from similar projects I've seen involving overpasses and the like, a few million would be cheap for that kind of tunnel. A lot of it goes beyond just basic construction with all the planning, traffic control, permitting, etc. that has to be done in relation to it. SDC has a major advantage in that this particular roadway doesn't get as much use during the off-season, but the costs are still way more than what should be worth it given all the land they have inside the park.

B&M has built coasters over roadways though (Goliath at SFOG), so a B&M going over the road isn't out of the question.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 20, 2016, 12:26:48 PM
This larger picture by Swoosh shows more of the construction by the roadway. This one does show the work being more level right next to the road (not necessarily a hole like the TPR picture showed). Access roadway at this location looks to be more feasible.

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/05/project-2017-sdc.html

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 20, 2016, 01:09:21 PM
Is that a C L before the word coaster? What does the C L mean?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 20, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
Is that a C L before the word coaster? What does the C L mean?

CL means "Centerline"...........so that would mean center of the track.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 20, 2016, 02:23:20 PM
Great pics Swoosh.  I'm hoping to see the markings when I go Saturday.

I don't doubt HFE would plant those to create some buzz....and I do doubt that they would do it without feeling 100% sure (contract signed) that they are going to put a coaster in!!!!

Guess what I'm saying is....is that a real marker for construction location or a planted just to get us going?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 20, 2016, 03:05:10 PM

 :-[
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2016, 03:14:34 PM
If you remember correctly - a few of us said the contracts had been signed earlier this year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on May 20, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
Is that a C L before the word coaster? What does the C L mean?

CL means "Centerline"...........so that would mean center of the track.

Jay

I agree. Any construction projects CL stands for Center Line. Not sure without seeing the entire area if it is the CL of the track though. Could be CL of anything related to the project. I.E Load building or even a pathway. But, you might know more about that particular marker .
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 20, 2016, 09:48:49 PM
People saying things on message boards are meaningless...the stakes in the ground are proof that contracts have been signed to me.  I'm a show-me kind of guy even though I'm not actually from MO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on May 20, 2016, 11:17:06 PM
If you ride Thunderation, they are constructing what looks to be a maintenance lot by the uphill climb on the coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 21, 2016, 07:58:16 AM
Im surprised nobody said this yet, but Im concerned since this coaster looks like it will be even closer to EH than TNT is. Will this ride and the screaming affect the show or bother the audience? I know all rides close when EH starts, but it might distract the audience during the pre-show, and when the rides and EH show are both running thru Moonlight Madness. CC closed its rides while the water/lazer show was running, I think because the sound of the rides and screaming would have distracted the audience. Will they close this coaster during the EH show and start it up again after the fireworks are done? I sure hope so. Also, until the coaster is done, the sound of the construction machines might be distracting as long as they are working on this coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 21, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
Distracting like crying babies, right?  ::)

I'm sure the park has it all figured out already
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 21, 2016, 08:15:44 AM
A baby cant ride a coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 21, 2016, 08:52:55 AM
A baby cant ride a coaster.

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Thanks, Cap.


I will say this,....if EH were to be moved, shouldn't razed  before a coaster boxed the existing one in. The road we are seeing built could also be the new access point for EH. To make it a better facility for larger acts and expanded use,they may included new dressings rooms, ect as part of a larger structure that doubles as a show building for the coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 21, 2016, 09:58:45 AM
I'm sure the road can/will double for both EH access and the construction site
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
There's a big excavator on the new road now. More cleared out than it was, but obviously a lot to do just to get back in there. Couldn't get pics since I was driving, but its pretty close to the turnoff
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on May 21, 2016, 12:30:14 PM
I'm gonna be there tomorrow I'll try to grab some more pictures see what I find.  ;D I'm excited to finally have ground moving! I assume they will start teasing fairly soon which should give us an idea of a possible theme hopefully.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
So I haven't been down into echo hollow yet, but I can't see a single flag from GE or the dining area. Maybe I'm not as eagle-eyed, or maybe they've been pulled, or maybe I'm just mistaken on my assumption of where they are. Do you have to go down the echo hollow path to see them?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 21, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
So I haven't been down into echo hollow yet, but I can't see a single flag from GE or the dining area. Maybe I'm not as eagle-eyed, or maybe they've been pulled, or maybe I'm just mistaken on my assumption of where they are. Do you have to go down the echo hollow path to see them?

The flags are by the restrooms in EH.  So yes you will have to go down the path once it opens. The other flags can be seen by the swings in GE but the ones way out there can not be seen anymore due to the foliage filling in
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 21, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Big clearing right beside the TnT lift hill.....ill post a pic I took from TnT when I get home.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 21, 2016, 03:10:21 PM
Imo....looks like a staging area to me
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
Please don't post photos taken from rides. We don't want to condone breaking the rules.


I have found the markers. They are very close to the bottom of TNT's queue line. In fact, the markings swoop right by the station and seem to follow TNT's track a bit...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
Ok, just got off TNT. There are orange markings going around the station, but its just an electric line. There's a small excavator and electrical tubing in the woods near the end of the ride.

The staging area has always been there, but they expanded it a bit and added fresh gravel. The main thing is that they've improved that access road and added new high-wire fences around it to protect the coaster and make it safe for workers. Obviously staging for something big, no doubt about it when you see it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 21, 2016, 04:46:02 PM
Might be able to see a flag in the green picnic table area behind Annies Shack or from the TNT line.

I dont know much about this coaster or other rides that may possibly be built, but what I do know is this ride, or these rides, will be my new favorite rides or rides and I dont even know what it is, or they are, yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 05:07:14 PM
I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but there is also a marker within the swoop after the tunnel on TNT. It's kind of a pink blur as you go by, but definitely a marker.

So this thing is going to be right on top of thunderation... I wonder what that means for TNT.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 21, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
A coaster interacting or going over another coaster. This is 1 of the things Ive been waiting for! This keeps getting better and better.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 21, 2016, 05:42:39 PM
If you need to get a LEGAL photo of the staging area you can get one inside Reunion Hall
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 21, 2016, 06:07:24 PM
It would be really cool if SDC did my ride enhancement suggestion for TNT by making the loop around the top of the lift hill and part of the final drop enclosed. Plus they might have to do this to hide the back lots and the new clearings for maintenance related equipment that will likely come with the new coaster from view of the guests.

I guess mainly I am trying to be optimistic that the ride experience from TNT will not be too severely impacted.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
So I'm at the echo hollow show now. The markers clearly make a solid loop around the south bathrooms. They have little dots on the pavement where they couldn't put markers. There's even arrows showing the direction it will go.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 21, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
You can see the painted electical lines from the TnT station that cross through the ride along what looks like a maintainance trail.  I saw the stakes between EH restrooms and the TnT queue.  I didn't see any continuation of the stakes in either direction.  I conclude that the stakes are for show right now for us coaster nerds to create some buzz.

I looked from the green tables at a few points but didn't see anything.  Some red flags up by GE swings....but they didn't seem new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 21, 2016, 06:56:15 PM
 :-[

I didn't go down by EH....I couldn't see that they continued....cool :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 21, 2016, 08:17:06 PM
Yeah when I saw the photos of just the one stake I thought it must be a joke too, but there's dozens of them now with tons of electric line markings and all that clearing going on. So definitely not a joke, they wouldn't be doing all this just to refurbish echo hollow.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 22, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
I just got home from the city.  I looked from the GE to the bathrooms at TNT but saw no markers from the main pathways. I was probably not looking in the right places.   However when leaving the park I noted they have started to build a new access road between the Echo Hollow service road and the corner of 76 / Indian point.  They had stopped for the day when I left and I was unable to get a pic but they are moving a fair amount of earth for this service entrance.  It is south of where TNT's tracks encroach on IP road.  Somebody get your camera out and have it ready, you pass this while entering the park.  I am pretty convinced this rumor is panning out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2016, 04:19:23 PM
^Photos were posted of the flags and work.  See link above (or on previous page)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 22, 2016, 04:30:35 PM
Well Swoosh I went back 3 pages and found the link, the staging area / access area is a fair undertaking.  Looking forward to Coaster Christmas, I hope its going on this year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 22, 2016, 07:27:34 PM
Fresh photos: http://sdcfans.com/2017-project-construction-update-52116/

Sorry about the cell phone pic quality. It's usually crisper, but I guess I need to clean the lens.


The loop around the bathrooms is so tight. It must either be the lift hill and drop, or an inverstion. Doesn't look like it will be the station location, but you can never really tell.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
Pretty sure the station is going right where the bathroom is located but obviously you'll enter at grade (above) and not below grade like where the current restroom is located. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 22, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
I dont know about you guys but I am excited we have something real to watch, grow and speculate / talk about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 22, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
I dont know about you guys but I am excited we have something real to watch, grow and speculate / talk about.

Me too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: joshblakebran on May 22, 2016, 10:08:02 PM
As am I. Thanks to everybody who are posting pictures. Some of them I can see things, others I can't. Stinks to be colored blind so I can't make out the flags and such but thanks for the updates. Keep em' coming :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 22, 2016, 11:13:59 PM
Since the Dive coaster is likely 2020 and an invert seems less likely for 2017, are we now thinking a launched wing coaster is in the works? Since HFEC seems to have a fixation on launched rides and big coasters (see Lightning Rod) and Powder Keg is very popular despite the maintenance and downtime issues it seems to have, a launched B&M wing coaster (see Thunderbird) would definitely balance out the park on its coaster collection.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2016, 11:36:45 PM
The coaster will utilize a traditional lift hill.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 23, 2016, 06:24:44 AM
I can definately see this being a launched coaster somehow. Since PK is usually down more than its running most days, especially when I come, I dont consider PK as a coaster anymore. It breaks down way too much. Something needs to be done with it, or we need another launched coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on May 23, 2016, 07:33:32 AM
I can definately see this being a launched coaster somehow. Since PK is usually down more than its running most days, especially when I come, I dont consider PK as a coaster anymore. It breaks down way too much. Something needs to be done with it, or we need another launched coaster.

It was just said that this won't be a launched coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 23, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
I can definately see this being a launched coaster somehow. Since PK is usually down more than its running most days, especially when I come, I dont consider PK as a coaster anymore. It breaks down way too much. Something needs to be done with it, or we need another launched coaster.

It was just said that this won't be a launched coaster.
Tmboote be all like

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Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 23, 2016, 09:33:32 AM
I wouldn't take anything posted on here as gospel.

I'm not really expecting a launch at this point either though. I'd really like it, and it would make sense, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards this time.

What could be interesting is if they try to enclose a large portion of it to save Echo Hollow. That's perhaps the biggest mystery from all this - how do you put a coaster within arms length of an amphitheater and keep both open? I'm leaning towards the thought that EH will simply be moved somewhere else in the next couple of years.

I'm also wondering how many trees they'll take out between the park and the new ride. The track markers don't go any further than TNT, so it could still be mostly "hidden" from the park like every other coaster, but being down in the valley will make it more visible if they start taking out trees. I could see them purposefully opening up the eating area just to show off the coaster. That wouldn't be the worst thing, but it will really start to feel more like an amusement park than ever. I know it was kind of jarring for me the first time I went to Dollywood because Wild Eagle is so obvious and really breaks whatever immersion DW had left. A lot of rides are obviously amusement rides, but they don't break you out of that 1880's feeling so much as a giant blue B&M towering over everything.  Still, I guess that ship has sailed anyway at this point. There are hardly any pockets of the park left anymore that have the old SDC feel from before the rides were the focus.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 23, 2016, 09:42:26 AM
The coaster will utilize a traditional lift hill.

He never said it wouldnt be a launched coaster. Have none of you rode PK before?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
The coaster will utilize a traditional lift hill.

He never said it wouldnt be a launched coaster. Have none of you rode PK before?

It will not feature a launch.  Clear enough?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 23, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
I wouldn't take anything posted on here as gospel.

I'm not really expecting a launch at this point either though. I'd really like it, and it would make sense, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards this time.

What could be interesting is if they try to enclose a large portion of it to save Echo Hollow. That's perhaps the biggest mystery from all this - how do you put a coaster within arms length of an amphitheater and keep both open? I'm leaning towards the thought that EH will simply be moved somewhere else in the next couple of years.

I'm also wondering how many trees they'll take out between the park and the new ride. The track markers don't go any further than TNT, so it could still be mostly "hidden" from the park like every other coaster, but being down in the valley will make it more visible if they start taking out trees. I could see them purposefully opening up the eating area just to show off the coaster. That wouldn't be the worst thing, but it will really start to feel more like an amusement park than ever. I know it was kind of jarring for me the first time I went to Dollywood because Wild Eagle is so obvious and really breaks whatever immersion DW had left. A lot of rides are obviously amusement rides, but they don't break you out of that 1880's feeling so much as a giant blue B&M towering over everything.  Still, I guess that ship has sailed anyway at this point. There are hardly any pockets of the park left anymore that have the old SDC feel from before the rides were the focus.

It apples.and oranges to compare the parks, but Magic Springs closes Arkansas Twister down when there is a concert.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 23, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
As Shave pointed out, I think it would be foolish to take anything posted here as a presumptive fact. As recently as OR, there were posts shared insinuating aspects of that ride as a virtual certainty, which turned out to be completely false (by a long shot, I might add), once the ride was completed.

Everything is speculative until an official announcement, or we see indisputable physical evidence to support it.

All that said, I have a few questions. First, is there a legitimate description used to categorize a "family" coaster? I've seen rides like Wild Eagle described as such, but in my book, a family coaster immediately takes me to a more tame ride built to accommodate a broader audience. For me, TNT and Fire Chaser are more legitimate "family" coasters.

Second, once track begins arriving, would seeing it alone give us the ability to discern whether or not this is a winged or dive coaster, or any other variety for that matter?

Lastly, why is anyone assuming the 2017 attraction is not a dive coaster, and that a dive coaster is coming in 2020? We don't even know what's being built as we speak, let alone what might be coming in three and a half years.



 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 23, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
I hope they really carefully remove trees and dont clear cut like the Wildfire setting.  Great coaster but ugly landscaping.
Also the removal of trees loosens the soil in the area.  Thats a fairly steep hill in places and slides are not unheard of.   I know in Northern Ar.  We have so little top soil they cant afford to let any of it erode away, we have had major roads closed because of slides, the fix seems to be coating the land with large white rocks.  For this reason and really for the beauty of the park SDC PTB, dont rape the land for your coaster.
Stepping down from soapbox.

BTW PTB, we are really excited about your new ride!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 23, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
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Second, once track begins arriving, would seeing it alone give us the ability to discern whether or not this is a winged or dive coaster, or any other variety for that matter?
I believe the gauge of the track........Swoosh can you clarify this ?
I would not be excited with a dive coaster, its a 1 trick pony and SDC has been wise enough ( discounting Buzzsaw Falls) to hang any rides on "one trick" Thoughts?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 23, 2016, 11:25:14 AM
I'm not buying any 2020 hype yet.....I just starting to believe something will happen next year....lol

I read these and other forums as OR was being speculated and vividly remember the 'insider' claims about what was coming and it was only step 1 of all the 'bigger' installs for the next few years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 23, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
I also recall a similar 'insider' claim definitively stating that OR would NOT be a record breaker. How did that pan out?

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
I'm not buying any 2020 hype yet.....I just starting to believe something will happen next year....lol

I read these and other forums as OR was being speculated and vividly remember the 'insider' claims about what was coming and it was only step 1 of all the 'bigger' installs for the next few years.

All long term plans are fluid.  In fact even this coaster (which has been planned for awhile) was on the verge of being pushed back to 2018 until earlier this year.  Regarding the steps you mentioned, when the initial post was made there were plans in motion and then the economy collapsed.  One of those projects was canceled forever (there's an interesting story there) and others were postponed (we are now seeing the 3rd of that trio come to fruition). 

Also, when OR originally was being planned it wasn't going to be a record breaker.  That didn't come along until later in the process when RMC and the park decided to push the envelope.  FWIW, the end product of OR looks nothing like the original plan. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2016, 11:50:39 AM
Quote
Second, once track begins arriving, would seeing it alone give us the ability to discern whether or not this is a winged or dive coaster, or any other variety for that matter?
I believe the gauge of the track........Swoosh can you clarify this ?
I would not be excited with a dive coaster, its a 1 trick pony and SDC has been wise enough ( discounting Buzzsaw Falls) to hang any rides on "one trick" Thoughts?

Yeah the gauge of the track is wider for dive to accommodate the wider trains.  The ties on the track are also different for the various styles of coaster. 

Dive coasters are fun and it would still be a rare style in the USA
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 23, 2016, 11:56:13 AM
I have absolutely no insider knowledge....just using my common sense....I would guess that the park is constantly putting together a wide variety of options year after year that includes both immediate and long-term capital investments.  Probably just comes down to the timing of what ideas are best received as the capital dollars come together every year.  Long-term ideas would tend to get vetted out year over year depending on the money available and/or changes in creative direction. 

All that to say....until they start building....its just fun to speculate from the rumors that are posted....don't make things personal cause even the parks plans change up to a rides opening day.

Famous project manager quote is....."Plans are Useless.....but Planning is in Priceless"  (think it was an Eisenhower quote about planning battles in WW2)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 23, 2016, 12:35:32 PM
As Shave pointed out, I think it would be foolish to take anything posted here as a presumptive fact. As recently as OR, there were posts shared insinuating aspects of that ride as a virtual certainty, which turned out to be completely false (by a long shot, I might add), once the ride was completed.

Everything is speculative until an official announcement, or we see indisputable physical evidence to support it.

All that said, I have a few questions. First, is there a legitimate description used to categorize a "family" coaster? I've seen rides like Wild Eagle described as such, but in my book, a family coaster immediately takes me to a more tame ride built to accommodate a broader audience. For me, TNT and Fire Chaser are more legitimate "family" coasters.

Second, once track begins arriving, would seeing it alone give us the ability to discern whether or not this is a winged or dive coaster, or any other variety for that matter?

Lastly, why is anyone assuming the 2017 attraction is not a dive coaster, and that a dive coaster is coming in 2020? We don't even know what's being built as we speak, let alone what might be coming in three and a half years.

The "family coaster" term is another that is often abused and can mean whatever the given entity wants. These days just about every coaster that is built is referred to as a family coaster unless they are specifically going for the thrill seeker demographic. I mean, a family can ride any B&M together once the kids hit puberty and are tall enough, so why not market it as a family experience? When we call something a family coaster though, we typically mean something <45 mph, without any inversions or huge drops. Essentially something a small child would be able to ride, but not so small to be just a kiddie coaster. TNT could barely squeak into that category, but Firechaser Express really is the archetype family coaster in my mind.

Recall that SDC sent out a survey clearly describing a B&M dive coaster and a Mack spinner/looping coaster. If they are pondering a Dive coaster for their next big project after this one, then this one surely can't be a dive coaster.

And yes, plans are fluid and rumors come and go for all kinds of reasons. You can't trust any info until you see the track actually arrive.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 23, 2016, 03:01:26 PM
Selfishly, I pray to God we aren't getting a spinning coaster. I personally don't like much of anything in the spinning camp, and I think it would appeal to a somewhat limiting demographic, too. Of course, that's just my opinion. It would be interesting to know what the results of the survey revealed. Based on how novel the dive coaster category still seems to be in the US, combined with the success and reliability of WF, I would be inclined to believe that HFEC and SDC would favor looking to B&M again to keep the current park momentum going. Excited to find out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 23, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
Selfishly, I pray to God we aren't getting a spinning coaster. I personally don't like much of anything in the spinning camp, and I think it would appeal to a somewhat limiting demographic, too. Of course, that's just my opinion. It would be interesting to know what the results of the survey revealed. Based on how novel the dive coaster category still seems to be in the US, combined with the success and reliability of WF, I would be inclined to believe that HFEC and SDC would favor looking to B&M again to keep the current park momentum going. Excited to find out.

Agreed with these points. Not a fan of spinners myself and I think it would be wise for the park to take what was great about WF and crank it up a notch. WF is still my favorite coaster in the park. At least until next year. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on May 23, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
I really hope it's not a spinning coaster too.  I'm ready to get there and see the progress.  My family loves TNT and I'm really hoping that TNT gets some extra tlc since this new coaster is gonna be right next to it.  And sdcfan I hope the ptb take your ideas for TNT lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 23, 2016, 05:34:32 PM
Will the coaster go sideways, backwards, or any other way except the way you are facing (forward)?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
The 2017 coaster will not be a spinner and will face forward the duration of the ride.  Now who knows about the 2020 coaster, but for now I'd say not. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on May 23, 2016, 06:29:40 PM
Changing from the original plan for a ride is definitely nothing new for the park.  Didn't Fire in the Hole's original idea name it The Devil's Den and had nothing to do with Baldknobbers?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on May 23, 2016, 08:53:51 PM
Exciting stuff. Like sdcfan88 posted awhile ago, I'm also a little skeptical that the plot of land isn't large enough to at least support a coaster the size of Wild Eagle. But if it is interacting with TNT then maybe it will be. Who knows. I just thought it would be bigger. However, the terrain may prove me wrong. Also, if it is a wingrider, there's now way there won't be an extreme amount of tree clearing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 23, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
So after thinking about the survey that was sent out earlier this year, didn't they send out a survey on Riverblast and Fireman's Landing the very year before they were opened? I'm positive they've sent out surveys before that included the ride currently under construction along with some decoys so they could gauge the reaction somehow. The 2020 reference for that survey came from grapeslie, who said he had a source that said it was for that year. Perhaps this thing could be a dive coaster after all? The more I think about the likelihood of them opening two B&M's three years apart, the more I'm questioning what that survey was really about.

But if we were placing bets, I'd still have most of my money on wing rider. Either way will be brutal for trees...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on May 23, 2016, 09:28:58 PM
^I think there may be some merit to that thought. Wouldn't a dive coaster fit into that footprint easier that a wing rider?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 23, 2016, 10:06:02 PM
Will it go upside down?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 23, 2016, 10:30:03 PM
Either way as much as I dread the drastic change to the landscape surrounding the park I am pretty sure that if it is a large B&M coaster and especially if it has a wide train format in the form of a wing coaster or a dive coaster you can count on the area getting razed to look similar to how Wildfire's area looks.

However there is the chance that if it is actually a wingrider they might actually surprise us and do the opposite of how they did Wildfire and keep a lot of the trees as they might be needed if they are using an animal for the coasters theme to simulate flying thru the trees.

Take Wild Eagle for instance:
(http://www.coasterimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/wild-eagle-04.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s8NmalY8LKQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/DW_Wild_Eagle.JPG)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2016, 10:33:41 PM
They left as many trees as possible for WildEagle.  They even left as many trees as possible for OutlawRun and Lighting Rod.  Let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on May 24, 2016, 07:27:37 AM
Selfishly, I pray to God we aren't getting a spinning coaster. I personally don't like much of anything in the spinning camp, and I think it would appeal to a somewhat limiting demographic, too. Of course, that's just my opinion. It would be interesting to know what the results of the survey revealed. Based on how novel the dive coaster category still seems to be in the US, combined with the success and reliability of WF, I would be inclined to believe that HFEC and SDC would favor looking to B&M again to keep the current park momentum going. Excited to find out.

Agreed with these points. Not a fan of spinners myself and I think it would be wise for the park to take what was great about WF and crank it up a notch. WF is still my favorite coaster in the park. At least until next year. lol

Add me to the no spinning coaster club. They should be regulated to county fairs and cheap roadside attraction places like Fun Spot and Old town.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 24, 2016, 08:01:45 AM
^Spinning coasters are actually very fun, but combining them with inversions and major coaster elements limits the attraction too much I would think. I think we can put that idea to bed because it was probably another red herring.

As far as trees go, they did a much better job with Thunderbird at Holiday world http://rcdb.com/12260.htm#p=59209

Still a huge amount of clearing in areas though. Having a few trees around helps, but it's not exactly "flying through the woods" on any of these rides.

I'll be satisfied if they will just keep the trees in place between the ride and the park so it isn't just overtly taking over that side of the park. It will obviously be visible, but if you can still be in the woods until you reach the station that will be a major plus. I'm sort of worried about them going all Cedar Fair on the area with a big plaza and opening everything up so that the coaster is on display. Who knows though, they've done pretty good so far. Even Lightning Run is kind of tucked away with proper theming and buildings fitting it into it's respective area. Wild Eagle is the only coaster they just smacked over everything.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 24, 2016, 09:19:52 AM
The new Mack spinner at Busch Gardens has a fixed position forward facing section, a fixed position rear facing section and free spin section along with an elevator lift. That's versitility. Not every coaster meets everyone's tastes. I prefer less inversions to no inversions but I enjoy them. I'm more of an airtime hill kinda person and will marathon the heck out of a good hyper or woodie. My.kids love the spinners they have been on, so I would prefer that SDC gets one soon. I think the spinner should be mainly indoors and perfectly Fitz an Ice House theme.


The survey they sent out basically described a Mack version of Blue Fire with spinner cars. This video show the "the test spinner" last year. Why not a half and half train?

https://youtu.be/HTBcYF2QjoM

Here's the cobra curse partial pov showing off the three train positions.

https://youtu.be/GVI0cdBkSG4

I just feel that Wildfire covers most the B&M inverting elements and another version with different cars is "meh" I much rather see a hyper or spinner. Having been on a wing rider and an old school inverted B&M, I'd rather have the inverted.  I'd serrle for a custom Vekoma family invert with lots of theming elements lime an under water tunnel and a through a building parts.

I hopeful I get to wear out that new wood shuttle coaster in at ZDTs two weekends from now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 24, 2016, 09:24:13 AM
The thing is -  right now the park needs added capacity and a gimmicky spinner won't fill that role like a capacity eating B&M will. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 24, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
The thing is -  right now the park needs added capacity and a gimmicky spinner won't fill that role like a capacity eating B&M will.

And yet this is the same park that refurbished an S&S tower knowing it would have capacity issues on busy days and didn't go off and find another used one to pull off twin towers to address that and when it's slower just reduce to one tower operations like the swing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 24, 2016, 09:46:36 AM
The thing is -  right now the park needs added capacity and a gimmicky spinner won't fill that role like a capacity eating B&M will.

And yet this is the same park that refurbished an S&S tower knowing it would have capacity issues on busy days and didn't go off and find another used one to pull off twin towers to address that and when it's slower just reduce to one tower operations like the swing.

Yep.  No one said they were above cutting corners
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 24, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
They may have missed the boat on the shot tower, but there's no denying the park has major capacity issues right now. I'm sure it's a problem the PTB are glad to have, however, I think it's safe to say that a busy park day experience is far different (and less enjoyable) today than it was just a few years ago.

Back on, but a bit off the subject at hand, what do you all think the probability is of SDC ever building a hyper or giga? Do you think that is something the park would ever entertain? I really enjoy all of the coasters currently in the park. That said, I do wish we had very tall and fast, traditional out and back coaster that utilizes the terrain and offers several stunning views similar to what can be seen at the top of WF, OR and PK. I'm anxious to see in the coming years if significant park expansion ever begins to take shape within the vast west side of the park. Perhaps there has been some reluctancy to extend the park beyond it's current footprint, until there was a real need in terms of volume to do so. I definitely believe that expansion is more than warranted now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on May 24, 2016, 10:03:58 AM
How would the queue area look for this ride? Is the expectation that the queue area would be in the EH area, the TNT queue area, or in the GE area? The EH area can be a bottleneck on busy days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 24, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Last Saturday....every path was a bottleneck....even times around the square at midday.

Major path work will need to be done no matter where the station goes.  If it is by EH/TnT then they really need to open that up and move some buildings and maybe even have to do some earth moving to level out a 'plaza'.  It pretty much drops off into the valley and EH off the paths right now and that path around the FM exit all the way to the blacksmith shop gets tight all the time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 24, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
Last Saturday....every path was a bottleneck....even times around the square at midday.

Major path work will need to be done no matter where the station goes.  If it is by EH/TnT then they really need to open that up and move some buildings and maybe even have to do some earth moving to level out a 'plaza'.  It pretty much drops off into the valley and EH off the paths right now and that path around the FM exit all the way to the blacksmith shop gets tight all the time.

SPECULATION (based on rumors):
REMOVALS:
Echo Hollow Restrooms (DEFINITE) (was supposed to have been moved before this season)
Poke Salad Mary's (definite)
Hatfield's Tater Patch (definite)
Annie's Grill Shack (definite)
Buckshot Skillet Cookery (possible) (new location to possibly open across from kettle corn)
Mortimer's Magic Box (possible) (new location in Grand Expo with stage if removed)

STATION / PLAZA
Actual station will be placed where the EH restrooms are currently.
Queue house will be located at grade to the park where the current picnic tables are located behind Hatfield and Annie's. 

There is a possibility that the queue entrance for TNT might be reconfigured to enter at the same new plaza area.  Have heard the "island" between TNT and Christmas store will disappear to open up the walkway more in this area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on May 25, 2016, 08:30:11 AM
Quote
SPECULATION (based on rumors):
REMOVALS:
Echo Hollow Restrooms (DEFINITE) (was supposed to have been moved before this season)
Poke Salad Mary's (definite)
Hatfield's Tater Patch (definite)
Annie's Grill Shack (definite)
Buckshot Skillet Cookery (possible) (new location to possibly open across from kettle corn)
Mortimer's Magic Box (possible) (new location in Grand Expo with stage if removed)

STATION / PLAZA
Actual station will be placed where the EH restrooms are currently.
Queue house will be located at grade to the park where the current picnic tables are located behind Hatfield and Annie's. 

There is a possibility that the queue entrance for TNT might be reconfigured to enter at the same new plaza area.  Have heard the "island" between TNT and Christmas store will disappear to open up the walkway more in this area.

That all makes sense for the good of the ride and opening up pathways.  But it's kind of hard to believe they are going to take out 5 revenue producing buildings just to open up the plaza for the new ride.  They must also have plans for at least one new food stand around their too.  Removing the picnic tables from that area would be impactful too.  Already not enough seating around that area right now.

Which reminds me....I had the chicken sandwich at the new fried bread stand Saturday....is was great!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 25, 2016, 09:08:12 AM
That's a huge amount of space, but I agree that when you start moving things around you end up having to re-do the whole area. The food stand setup was never great to begin with.

I'm still pondering about the station though. Like I've mentioned, the markers make a pretty tight loop around the bathrooms before joining up again side by side farther down the hill. When you imagine the big B&M track there, there's very little space for a boarding platform. Unless it has short trains...

Perhaps there's still a possibility that the station will be over by GE instead. There's no telling where the markers extend to yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 25, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Somebody just hop a fence and start wandering through the woods already.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 25, 2016, 09:16:43 AM
I think they can do it well by designing a pier with a large observation area like how WF is done and have the new restrooms and food stands rebuilt around the edge of it. Then have the picnic tables moved to the center of the pier/plaza/observation area. (or even relocate some over by WF) I wouldn't mind them removing the old TNT queue for this as well and putting it elsewhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 25, 2016, 09:32:14 AM
A plaza approach would certainly continue the slow erosion of charm so many of us value about the park, but there's no denying how badly some major issues of park flow need to be addressed. Here's hoping this new ride is a 1-2 punch that brings an amazing new ride, while improving some very real and ongoing logistical issues.

With the park open every day now, it's a shame we don't have a way to stay locked in to the daily changes that are surely taking place within the area under development. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on May 25, 2016, 11:24:57 AM
I'm still pondering about the station though. Like I've mentioned, the markers make a pretty tight loop around the bathrooms before joining up again side by side farther down the hill. When you imagine the big B&M track there, there's very little space for a boarding platform. Unless it has short trains...

Perhaps there's still a possibility that the station will be over by GE instead. There's no telling where the markers extend to yet.

Shave, you say the markers join together further down the hill.......could this possibly be a turn around for an out and back type coaster or maybe like the helix on top of the cliff of Superman at Fiesta Texas? I'm sure you looked, but were there not any CL markers by the GE?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 25, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
I mean a "plaza" could look amazing and far better than what's there. It really all comes down to how they manage the trees and how much effort they'll put into immersive theming. Since they actually put a ton of effort into Fireman's Landing's buidings despite it being a  ride-focused area, I'd say chances are pretty good that they'll do it nicely. What they did for Wild Eagle was pretty sad though - it's such a plain station with absolutely no theming whatsoever other than some screen printed banners and light rustic details. I think there are enough people in charge at SDC that still have higher standards, and it really does pay dividends for them whether it's always obvious or not.

Below is an MS-paint of the line of markings that I saw. I guess when I really think about it, there is enough room there for a station. It's tough to think about in 3D when all you have is markers on grade. Still a tight turn though, but maybe not tighter than Wildfire's pull out of the station?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pudgy Jones on May 26, 2016, 09:10:46 AM
The speculative "plaza" area in question is a very charming, yet bottlenecked area of the park. If the powers-that-be are reading...please save as many trees as humanly possible. Remember that Mary Herschend is watching. Please don't make it a parking-lot-plaza!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 26, 2016, 03:34:12 PM
I saw your post on our FB page sdcfan88. I'll see if I can adjust those images for you so they can get posted here.

Basically they've added stakes for the column supports. I've never seen such detailed and obvious marking for a coaster before. I wonder why they're doing that on this one specifically? Maybe because of the topography?

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 26, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
I think because that cat will be out of the bag soon enough.  With it being built in such a prominent place in the park it's going to be hard to hide the fact they're building a coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 26, 2016, 07:20:42 PM
Here are the photos sdcfan88 posted to our facebook page. I just compressed them a bit to be able to upload to our forums. I'll have to ease up on the file size restrictions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 26, 2016, 07:36:26 PM
Thanks Shave. Regarding those new posts, there are three of them to the left of the TNT queue before you enter the station building, and are all spaced about 10-12 feet apart from each other in a triangle. Definitely looks to be coaster support footer markers. I could not get photos but there is now a very large grey construction trailer next to the large clearing by the lift hill building. They also had a lot of heavy equipment running and chewing thru the valley. They had an excavator in operation today right up against the TNT track at the bottom loop around. The scenery is already making a drastic change in a hurry. Those spray painted orange and pink lines on the ground extend out from the maintenance building for the TNT coaster trains all the way to the bottom of the hill near the restrooms. I am thinking this is possibly the plotted course for a lift hill.

Went and shot this view from the Culinary School porch overlooking Echo Hollow. This view will probably look quite different by this time next year. Its hard to tell since this was taken with my smartphone but there is also the same spray painted marker lines just beyond the stage there to the right.

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Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on May 26, 2016, 09:25:43 PM
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Went and shot this view from the Culinary School porch overlooking Echo Hollow. This view will probably look quite different by this time next year. Its hard to tell since this was taken with my smartphone but there is also the same spray painted marker lines just beyond the stage there to the right.
I am afraid you are right and I hope they dont screw this up really badly.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on May 26, 2016, 09:45:12 PM
It may be interesting to have a coaster as the backdrop to EH. Granted, it would most likely disrupt any shows they try to do during the day at EH, but they may find a clever way to work the two together. Who knows right now anyway?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 26, 2016, 10:02:04 PM
When do they have shows during the day in EH?  Sure Young Heathens Weekend, but the music is blasted so loudly I doubt the teenagers would notice (or even care).
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 26, 2016, 10:39:51 PM
The orange spray painted lines are for electrical. Not sure about pink, but I really don't think the lift hill will go near TNT's station. I think the lift will be behind EH somewhere. I was thinking it would go up the hill next to GE so they could get maximum advantage out of the topography, but who knows at this point.

Can't believe the heavy equipment is already at work. Maybe I should start planning another trip for June...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Jipper on May 26, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Spray paint meaning:

White: Proposed Excavation
Pink: Survey markings
Yellow: Gas lines
Orange: Cable/Telephone Lines
Blue: Water Lines
Green: Sewer Lines

The orange spray painted lines are for electrical. Not sure about pink, but I really don't think the lift hill will go near TNT's station.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on May 27, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
I will say they are starting heavy construction early so this must be a fairly large ride. I'm sure its partially because of the difficult topography! But difficult topography makes for a more interesting ride generally so yay! I was speaking with someone who told me that B&M did not take this job though it was offered to them. I was told that RMC has stepped in. I have NO IDEA if this is true (major grain of salt) but if it is true then were looking at a T-REX project!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 27, 2016, 12:27:50 PM
Another reason is the fact that this isn't the only large project the park has in store for next season and since there are only so many contractors they can use a one time from the area they had to start early.  It's impossible to start on the other until the entire season is over and the park is closed
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on May 27, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
^ Yes, finally getting that much needed redo of the entrance area.

^^Grapeslie, I had the feeling it wasn't a B&M from the beginning as I heard it was a German manufacturer. And this was from someone who knows nothing about coaster companies, they just had some info about the contract getting signed, etc. So, who knows. Everyone seems to be betting on a B&M but I'm still not convinced. I'd also bet against a T-Rex. :) Looks like we will be finding out soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on May 27, 2016, 03:51:54 PM
When do they have shows during the day in EH?  Sure Young Heathens Weekend, but the music is blasted so loudly I doubt the teenagers would notice (or even care).

That is really the only one, but I was saying if they ever plan to (they most likely won't now), it would make a cool backdrop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 27, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
lol I will actually be disappointed if it is NOT a B&M. If they are gonna do another big coaster, they need to build on the long term success of WF. A reliable and smooth ride with high capacity. Plus it would be a nice balance to the park with two similar but different coasters on opposite sides of the park.

(granted I may be a little bias since WF is still my long standing favorite ride there)

Also I think HFEC will be shying away from RMC for a while after the Lightning Rod debacle.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 27, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
I was assuming B&M wing coaster since I don't have any better ideas or anything to go on. I'm not getting my hopes up too high for anything specifically yet. I will be a bit upset if this turns out to be that silly Mack looping spinner concept.

Mack makes some good coasters though if this turns out to be from them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 27, 2016, 06:13:21 PM
I will be a bit upset if this turns out to be that silly Mack looping spinner concept.

^This in particular. That area could better benefit from a B&M wing or inverted coaster. Or even a smallish terrain hugging GCI Woodie design to replace OzCat.

Plus I am not a fan of spinners. If they must have one, put the Mack Spinner over in between FL and GE by the old Waterboggen Site where I rarely go anyways. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 27, 2016, 06:22:22 PM
Agreed. The spinning coaster idea seems gimmicky to me and more suited for a smaller footprint. If they ever decide to invest in this variety of coaster, I hope it is a minimal one for the sake of filling in a hole to round out an existing area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on May 27, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
I'll be really disappointed if it's a spinner too. They did throw the concept out there in that survey though. My "dip n' dots" guy just said "hey, you'll be happy to know SDC just signed a contract with some German roller coaster manufacturer for a big steel coaster. A $30-40 investment." Exact words. But like I said who knows. That price tag threw everything off from the beginning when I first knew the project was a go. lol Also this is running local contractors thin as Swoosh alluded to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 27, 2016, 07:01:00 PM
I'll be really disappointed if it's a spinner too. They did throw the concept out there in that survey though. My "dip n' dots" guy just said "hey, you'll be happy to know SDC just signed a contract with some German roller coaster manufacturer for a big steel coaster. A $30-40 investment." Exact words. But like I said who knows. That price tag threw everything off from the beginning when I first knew the project was a go. lol Also this is running local contractors thin as Swoosh alluded to.

If this is valid, it sounds like Gerstlauer. (the firm behind Dollywood's Firechaser Express) They are also known for the Pandemonium (Big Spin) coaster clones at various Six Flags parks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 27, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
Totally speculative, but putting a spinning coaster of any kind on the scale this ride seems to be headed would be a huge gamble in my opinion. That said, I can't see them going in this direction. I certainly hope not anyway. I think it would be a big miss for the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on May 27, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
And since we're back to pushing around ideas, what about the indoor/outdoor G-fighter concept, aka Mystery Mine? That would make so much sense for this location as it could be screened from EH and fit in nicely with TNT.

There was a ton of talk about them almost pulling the trigger on getting one back in 2007 and 2008. I know MM at DW has lower capacity and some mixed reviews, but I really loved it and I think an improved version would be awesome for SDC.

And if you really believe the German part is accurate, there's also Zierer and Maurer AG, both of whom make smaller launched/vertical drop coasters that could fit inside a building.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on May 27, 2016, 11:06:07 PM
I'll be really disappointed if it's a spinner too. They did throw the concept out there in that survey though. My "dip n' dots" guy just said "hey, you'll be happy to know SDC just signed a contract with some German roller coaster manufacturer for a big steel coaster. A $30-40 investment." Exact words. But like I said who knows. That price tag threw everything off from the beginning when I first knew the project was a go. lol Also this is running local contractors thin as Swoosh alluded to.

If this is valid, it sounds like Gerstlauer. (the firm behind Dollywood's Firechaser Express) They are also known for the Pandemonium (Big Spin) coaster clones at various Six Flags parks.

I didn't realize that Dollywood put in two launched coasters in a row until you reminded me of Firechaser Express.

As for me, I am definitely hoping for any type of B&M coaster and I'm also wondering what this other major offseason project could be that Swoosh mentioned.
Another reason is the fact that this isn't the only large project the park has in store for next season and since there are only so many contractors they can use a one time from the area they had to start early.  It's impossible to start on the other until the entire season is over and the park is closed
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on May 27, 2016, 11:33:42 PM
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And since we're back to pushing around ideas, what about the indoor/outdoor G-fighter concept, aka Mystery Mine? That would make so much sense for this location as it could be screened from EH and fit in nicely with TNT.

There was a ton of talk about them almost pulling the trigger on getting one back in 2007 and 2008. I know MM at DW has lower capacity and some mixed reviews, but I really loved it and I think an improved version would be awesome for SDC.

I was thinking the same thing.  A large structure could have a facade that could make a nice background for EH, block parking lots and back stage areas.

I just wonder about having two mine trains if that's the direction this goes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 28, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
OR the designer is from Germany (as is Werner Stengel).  He's done a lot of work for different companies and was responsible for Millennium Force, Mystery Mine, Maverick among others. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 28, 2016, 12:31:42 AM
Come to think of it the WB structure would be a great candidate to be repurposed as a coaster station or enclosed as a ride element for a Mystery Mine type ride. I would dare to speculate a smaller dive coaster could fit in there and around the general area that the WB used to take up but that would be pushing it on real estate space with the addition of FL.

EDIT: This should probably be moved to the future attraction idea thread. Admin can decide if needed.

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Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on May 28, 2016, 07:03:44 AM
While I could really get into a totally immersive themed coaster like Mystery Mine. I really had my mind set on a total thrill B&M. Of all the new speculation though I would really like to see what RMC could do with the TREX track.
Anything but a spinner.
I guess you could say this is really getting to be a roller coaster ride of speculation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on May 28, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
lol I will actually be disappointed if it is NOT a B&M. If they are gonna do another big coaster, they need to build on the long term success of WF. A reliable and smooth ride with high capacity. Plus it would be a nice balance to the park with two similar but different coasters on opposite sides of the park.

(granted I may be a little bias since WF is still my long standing favorite ride there)

Also I think HFEC will be shying away from RMC for a while after the Lightning Rod debacle.

Herschend has nothing but love with RMC! RMC did just fine the issue was the subcontractor for the launch system! In fact RMC was ahead of schedule with construction! Luckily the new launch company is amazing and have done a fantastic job!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: biscuitcreek on May 28, 2016, 11:17:56 AM
While I could really get into a totally immersive themed coaster like Mystery Mine. I really had my mind set on a total thrill B&M. Of all the new speculation though I would really like to see what RMC could do with the TREX track.
Anything but a spinner.
I guess you could say this is really getting to be a roller coaster ride of speculation.

A spinner is definitely on their mind based on the survey sent out yesterday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 28, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
Keep in mind that inclusion in the survey(s) could also be nothing more than filler, or a flat out decoy to steer speculation or "demand" in the direction the PTB may already have been married to from the get go. Whatever is going in now, was decided on quite a while ago and although tweaks may still be possible or even necessary, you can bet that the manufacturer, type and theme of this thing is already etched in stone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 28, 2016, 10:39:50 PM
One sounds like either a Gerstlauer or Mack and the other with a train is a Mack. They are the only ones with  multiple cars.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 29, 2016, 02:07:43 AM
We're getting a new train too?.....lol

Slightly off topic, but I thought I would bump this post with this quote from a few pages back which amused me. lol

At least this part of the 2017 thread has come to pass thus far, even though it WAS meant as a joke.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: oldsdcer on May 29, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
this more likely way off from what every one who is in the know knows but could this be an extension of TNT to the orginal concept of multiple tunnels and length of the track, always liked that idea.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 30, 2016, 09:31:19 PM
How do we not have enough people on or visiting this forum to give us at minimum an update every weekend? There had to have been some progress from mid last week until now?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2016, 12:14:13 AM
Sorry, I was in the Twin Cities this weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on May 31, 2016, 01:07:02 AM
Petrified Forrest, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley and Mesa Verde myself. Nothin' like doing these with sunny and mid 70s weather.

A Navaho Code Talker spoke at our hotel this morning.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on May 31, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
Last Wednesday I saw the flags and a trail they made going around the EH bathrooms, orange paint making a trail going down the hill behind the TNT station, and a big, very long trailer on a big bed of gravel in the clearing on the left side of TNT hill. Also saw the "service road" construction as I drove on Indian Point Road. It came right out at me, making me move to the left lane. Couldnt stop to take pictures then but I was planning on it. I just didnt plan on them having cones in the right lane, so I took pictures at 2:00 as I left, when they moved the cones, and looked like they were done working. I took the pics from 2 places on the road and posted them in the trip reviews.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on May 31, 2016, 06:36:23 PM
I was there Saturday through today.  Not much progress on construction obviously over the weekend but they were at it hard today.  At 830 I was first on thunderation and they already had a front end loader almost up against the track after the tunnel but before you go into the lift hill.  By 1030 it appears as if they are constructing a wall there of some sort and there is tons of activity going on around it.  I spoke with as many employees as I could about it and all have something different to tell.  I was told that the ride has been pushed back and that it won't open till 2018, that it's going to be a German coaster with 7 inversions that will break records, but most employees said they knew something was coming but they didn't know what or when.  I don't think any know anymore than most of us lol.  But one thing is for sure something is coming and they are working hard and fast.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2016, 09:49:29 PM
So when the whole German company thing comes up, this might be it.  Apparently this company does most of the designing for B&M and actually designed WildFire
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on May 31, 2016, 09:57:42 PM
I was there Saturday through today.  Not much progress on construction obviously over the weekend but they were at it hard today.  At 830 I was first on thunderation and they already had a front end loader almost up against the track after the tunnel but before you go into the lift hill.  By 1030 it appears as if they are constructing a wall there of some sort and there is tons of activity going on around it.  I spoke with as many employees as I could about it and all have something different to tell.  I was told that the ride has been pushed back and that it won't open till 2018, that it's going to be a German coaster with 7 inversions that will break records, but most employees said they knew something was coming but they didn't know what or when.  I don't think any know anymore than most of us lol.  But one thing is for sure something is coming and they are working hard and fast.

Well I don't think they would be moving so fast if it wasn't opening until 2018.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on May 31, 2016, 10:00:51 PM
So when the whole German company thing comes up, this might be it.  Apparently this company does most of the designing for B&M and actually designed WildFire

I'll be in Munich in September. MAybe knock on the door and ask 😜
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on May 31, 2016, 10:25:17 PM
Crazy how fast this is all heating up but I love it! I am really hoping for an indoor coaster here like I have wanted for years. Or at least a ride that goes in and out of tunnels or "Ozark caves."

I'm going to really enjoy all the speculation this summer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on May 31, 2016, 10:38:41 PM
I think 2017 is still plausible for a coaster installation. A B&M can be erected a lot faster than a RMC Woodie. I don't think we should be judging the construction timetable from the Outlaw Run construction. Anyone know how long it took for them to build Wildfire? I vaguely remember it but IIRC they started clearing out the hill in August and had it open by the following spring. I do vividly remember how huge it's debut was for the park.

Bottom line, everything is right on track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 01, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
So when the whole German company thing comes up, this might be it.  Apparently this company does most of the designing for B&M and actually designed WildFire

And to add to this, Wildfire is listed here on page 23.

http://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&co=6857&page=23

RCDB profile for Wildfire: http://rcdb.com/720.htm
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 01, 2016, 07:12:32 AM
Yeah the way they're working I find it hard to believe that they aren't opening a ride in 2017. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 01, 2016, 10:17:12 AM
Well...Capital dollars are currently being spent for something.....business logic would conclude that they wouldn't start to spend the money without a plan to start getting ROI on it ASAP.  I think there is plenty of time to get it ready for next season.

I'm starting to wonder when they are going to start the marketing program.  I'm guessing it will be late summer or early fall to try to get the most buys for this years season passes before announcing the new ride for next year.  Guess it kind of also depends on how much of the general public start to notes the construction work.

I also found it interesting that TnT got the picture on the drink cups this year.....made me at least for a moment.....worry about its future?  Though I can't image it being closed or 'replaced' unless it has some type of mechanical or ADA issues that we don't know about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2016, 10:51:05 AM
There are several different mugs for this year.  TNT is just one of the four (?) that are out
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Citydweller84 on June 01, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
There are several different mugs for this year.  TNT is just one of the four (?) that are out

Yeah, they're doing four different mugs. I've got Wildfire mugs from when I visited earlier this year. TNT and LROTO are the two others I can remember that they'll be doing. Not sure about the fourth one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 01, 2016, 05:35:09 PM
I'm going to go ahead and apologize here if it's already been covered but I'm not going to go through all these pages to find it (Yes, I'm lazy).  When the pictures came up of what seems to be the new coaster coming up, it's aweful close to Thunderation.  Please, please tell  me they are not getting rid of tnt.  What's the word?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 01, 2016, 05:53:57 PM
I'm going to go ahead and apologize here if it's already been covered but I'm not going to go through all these pages to find it (Yes, I'm lazy).  When the pictures came up of what seems to be the new coaster coming up, it's aweful close to Thunderation.  Please, please tell  me they are not getting rid of tnt.  What's the word?

I don't think they'll get rid of TNT, t-n-t. I feel it would be stupid to remove a coaster when they add another one. I think that the new coaster will just "interact" with TNT. Also, they probably wouldn't have replaced the entrance ark if they were going to get rid of the ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 01, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
I'm starting to wonder when they are going to start the marketing program.  I'm guessing it will be late summer or early fall to try to get the most buys for this years season passes before announcing the new ride for next year.  Guess it kind of also depends on how much of the general public start to notes the construction work.


I heard someone will announce what will replace World Fest for next year, by around August or September. I bring this up because I think they will also announce by this time what the new ride or rides/upgrades will be for next year. I think the new festival will somehow tie in with these new rides. Also, they revealed info about FL when they started taking down GG in August of 2014.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 01, 2016, 08:35:28 PM
I'm starting to wonder when they are going to start the marketing program.  I'm guessing it will be late summer or early fall to try to get the most buys for this years season passes before announcing the new ride for next year.  Guess it kind of also depends on how much of the general public start to notes the construction work.


I heard someone will announce what will replace World Fest for next year, by around August or September. I bring this up because I think they will also announce by this time what the new ride or rides/upgrades will be for next year. I think the new festival will somehow tie in with these new rides. Also, they revealed info about FL when they started taking down GG in August of 2014.

Good points.  I hope they don't.  My wife may never go back again if they took out tnt.  I'm excited to see what it could be.  Is it in a big enough area to be a big coaster, ala Wildfire?  I can't really judge the width and distance in pictures.  I'll try to scope it out on Saturday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 01, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
^There's been no indication that TNT will be taken out, as they have done some work on it and around it recently to maintain things. They wouldn't remove it unless it was getting too costly to maintain since it's still a reasonably young ride. S&S Sansei is still around so parts can't be hard to come by yet.

There is enough land here for anything to fit if they want it to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on June 01, 2016, 09:30:50 PM
Just wait till off season. It will be near impossible to hide.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 01, 2016, 10:30:01 PM
If anything it would be awesome if they reworked/upgraded TNT just a bit. It's awesome as it sits but little things such as adding more tunnels/enclosures around the existing track layout to counter it's likely interaction with the new coaster would do wonders to losing the "out in the woods" element that is likely gonna go away soon.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2016, 11:02:06 PM
It *would* be awesome but we all know that it's not going to happen so let's leave it at that. 

Due to an appointment in the area, I'll be on park Friday to get a photo update.  The plan is to have it on the MiG blog by midday Saturday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on June 02, 2016, 10:52:57 PM
It *would* be awesome but we all know that it's not going to happen so let's leave it at that. 

Due to an appointment in the area, I'll be on park Friday to get a photo update.  The plan is to have it on the MiG blog by midday Saturday.

I will be there Sunday to hopefully scope the area out
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on June 03, 2016, 12:25:23 AM
It *would* be awesome but we all know that it's not going to happen so let's leave it at that. 

Due to an appointment in the area, I'll be on park Friday to get a photo update.  The plan is to have it on the MiG blog by midday Saturday.

I'll be looking out for you.   I think ill recognize you.   If approached by a green hat and shirt wearing fellow don't be alarmed.  Just a fan. I'm planning on taking a lot of pics with my phone myself.   I'm bringing my new 3ds to try and take some 3d pics and videos also.

I will buy you lunch or a snack or something if I meet you though.   I appreciate what you do.  Yours and others works through the years have kept me interested, informed,  and vicariously amused.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Copper on June 03, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
I think you might want to change the title of this discussion to 2018  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 03, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
I think you might want to change the title of this discussion to 2018  ;)

Boo on you.  That's not a true rumor!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on June 03, 2016, 01:51:36 PM
I just came from over yonder and couldn't find squat.   But boy,  TNT was riding great!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 03, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
There is a new retaining wall just after the tunnel on TNT.  I'm not sure if it is visible from the road, I'll check later.

In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 03, 2016, 02:51:16 PM
In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad.

 :'( No!

I mean it would make more sense to get a more "family-friendly" coaster in that location and just wait and put a B&M between WF and PK, but I want a B&M!

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 03, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad.

So basically it might be another low capacity coaster with reliability issues. Wonderful. :(

I just hope it really isn't that gimmicky spinner or I will probably lose all interest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Injun Joe on June 03, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
They need to crank that whirlpool up on the plunge.   Or at least tell old yeller ( I mean Skeeter) his masters done drowndid.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 03, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
There is a new retaining wall just after the tunnel on TNT.  I'm not sure if it is visible from the road, I'll check later.

In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad.

Me too. The only way I will not be to sad if it is not a B&M is if RMC is putting in one of the new TREX tracks. Just no spinning kiddie coaster please.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 03, 2016, 04:48:42 PM
In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad.

So basically it might be another low capacity coaster with reliability issues. Wonderful. :(

I just hope it really isn't that gimmicky spinner or I will probably lose all interest.

This so much. However, I have this sinking feeling it's a spinner. I will be so disappointed if that is true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 03, 2016, 05:21:14 PM
In other news, this is sounding less and less like a B&M and that makes me sad.

So basically it might be another low capacity coaster with reliability issues. Wonderful. :(

I just hope it really isn't that gimmicky spinner or I will probably lose all interest.

Just need Arrow Dynamics to come back. Their rides seem reliable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 04, 2016, 01:59:16 AM
Well considering Arrow lives on as S&S Power/S&S Sansei there is still hope. As for 2017 I suppose I should try to keep an open mind until we know for sure what this thing is. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 04, 2016, 08:44:48 AM
Could it spin around a different axis, vertically rather than horizontally?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 04, 2016, 03:28:11 PM
^Like Disney's 7-dwarf mine train coaster? That's a possibility, I guess, but not likely.

I will say that the layout of the track stakes makes me think this won't be a spinner. It's too spread out, unlike the usual tight curves and helices you would see with a spinner.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 04, 2016, 04:16:55 PM
I was thinking something more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 04, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
As much as fun as worrying about the unknown is... let's look at a construction update instead

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/06/project-2017-sdc.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sanddunerider on June 04, 2016, 07:09:27 PM
great pics as usual.  thanks
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 04, 2016, 07:22:12 PM
^Like Disney's 7-dwarf mine train coaster? That's a possibility, I guess, but not likely.

I will say that the layout of the track stakes makes me think this won't be a spinner. It's too spread out, unlike the usual tight curves and helices you would see with a spinner.

Also was built by Vekoma but let's not forget the old arrow swinging car inverts.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: marolinesdad on June 05, 2016, 08:25:40 AM
Thanks for the update Swoosh. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 11:45:26 AM
What continues to bother me is the fact that a lot of markings are right by Thunderation and even under some of the track.  What kind of coaster could be that close if they were keeping tnt open?  Walking down the line for tnt yesterday I saw the markings were a lot closer than I would like to see to tnt.  What could that all mean?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 05, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
Well a lot of the markings under TNT were electrical, so you could still have the coaster with the electric lines running under it. I just am confused why they are doing so much stuff near the TNT lift hill like has been said on here.

I don't know why they would remove TNT. It is the most family-friendly coaster in the park and is still relatively young (23 years old).
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
If they were removing TNT they wouldn't have gone through the trouble to build a retaining wall for it near the new clearing. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 05, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
With all the love shown here for Thunderation (myself included) i would think they'd consider another family-friendly coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 01:39:52 PM
We went yesterday with a family that included a 5 year old, she could not contain her excitement on it and then off of it, keep wanting to ride tnt again and again!  I just don't like it being that close.  But, if they were going to get rid of tnt, wouldn't that make a big deal out of it and have a year-long celebration for it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 05, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
The ride experience we have all known and loved on TNT might be going away but the ride itself should remain intact.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 02:05:51 PM
How so, exactly?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 05, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
How so, exactly?

Well, we'll more than likely lose a lot of trees and maybe have another coaster traveling over it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 05, 2016, 02:22:27 PM
As much as fun as worrying about the unknown is... let's look at a construction update instead

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/06/project-2017-sdc.html


Just so you know the numbers on the stakes are not coordinates, they are elevations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
Adding a track over tnt would be pretty fun.  It seems pretty empty anymore so having an added attraction to interact with would really boost the ride I think.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 05, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
The orange ones are for the column and the pink for the coaster CL (centerline) you should be able to take the difference between the two and work out the height of the track in that location. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 05, 2016, 04:27:33 PM
What continues to bother me is the fact that a lot of markings are right by Thunderation and even under some of the track.  What kind of coaster could be that close if they were keeping tnt open?  Walking down the line for tnt yesterday I saw the markings were a lot closer than I would like to see to tnt.  What could that all mean?

The orange markings on the ground around TNT are for various cables. The actual stake markers are where the track will go. Apparently the new coaster will come real close to TNT's pull out of the station, and we know it will cross over at least once, but nothing seems to point to them replacing TNT with this.

The track cross overs aren't anything exciting. I'd much rather have trees, but it's not a big deal either way.

I'm intrigued at the double wide construction trailer. Perhaps I just don't remember it, but have any of the other major coasters recently had their own construction office? Coasters typically go up too fast to need an on-site office...

This had better be one blow-out outstanding ride if they are going to take their sweet time on it again. Outlaw Run was worth the wait though...

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 05, 2016, 04:45:52 PM
What continues to bother me is the fact that a lot of markings are right by Thunderation and even under some of the track.  What kind of coaster could be that close if they were keeping tnt open?  Walking down the line for tnt yesterday I saw the markings were a lot closer than I would like to see to tnt.  What could that all mean?

The orange markings on the ground around TNT are for various cables. The actual stake markers are where the track will go. Apparently the new coaster will come real close to TNT's pull out of the station, and we know it will cross over at least once, but nothing seems to point to them replacing TNT with this.

The track cross overs aren't anything exciting. I'd much rather have trees, but it's not a big deal either way.

I'm intrigued at the double wide construction trailer. Perhaps I just don't remember it, but have any of the other major coasters recently had their own construction office? Coasters typically go up too fast to need an on-site office...

This had better be one blow-out outstanding ride if they are going to take their sweet time on it again. Outlaw Run was worth the wait though...

While this is a pretty out in left field theory, but with talks of the ride being pushed back to 2018 perhaps they are bringing in special landscaping engineers who know how to build around caverns to make a large coaster tunnel (with possible water/fog elements) without disturbing the cave? Unlike what we were led to believe, I am still speculating on the possibility that the rumored dive coaster was actually for 2017 instead of 2020. A tunnel element is a known trademark of a dive coaster and it would work great with the terrain seeing how TNT already has one over there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 05, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
I just don't see how they can do construction while keeping TNT open for normal daily operation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
The ride experience we have all known and loved on TNT might be going away but the ride itself should remain intact.

That went away when they turned the carts back around making them all go forward. 
I think you're being a little over the top with your "gloom and doom" but to each his own
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 05, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
The ride experience we have all known and loved on TNT might be going away but the ride itself should remain intact.

That went away when they turned the carts back around making them all go forward. 
I think you're being a little over the top with your "gloom and doom" but to each his own

Sidenote, We stopped at ZDT's yesterday and rode switchback about 20 that's a fun GCI woody shuttle. The Track owners need to get down there and check that Lil bag of fun out. Lot's of fun for 20 bucks a head at that place.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 06:30:44 PM
I'm wondering if that's not the end game for the Tracks.  They have really been "reinventing" Track 3 here lately.   The Tracks in Pigeon Forge have more rides at them then the Branson ones.  Personally I'd prefer a White Lightning clone (Fun Spot) then a Switchback Railway but either would work
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sawblade5 on June 05, 2016, 06:31:21 PM

Sidenote, We stopped at ZDT's yesterday and rode switchback about 20 that's a fun GCI woody shuttle. The Track owners need to get down there and check that Lil bag of fun out. Lot's of fun for 20 bucks a head at that place.

Actually ZDT's Switchback is a Gravity Group creation with a Timberliner train. Not a GCI.

As for the Track on getting a coaster, Don't they have one at what I believe to be a Track Family Fun Center in Gulf Shores,  AL?

And to address the thread.  I have been told the ride has been delayed until 2018, can someone confirm this?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 06:41:40 PM
i have been told the ride has been delayed until 2018, can someone confirm this?

It has been rumored but nothing concrete.  They are throwing out a bunch of stuff right now to catch leaks so who knows the validity. 

They have bitten off a lot to get done before next season so we'll see what all gets done. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 06:53:54 PM
With where the markers are, I'm curious to see how they are going to fit it all in.  I know they won't take out Echo Hollow so it just seems like a smallerish coaster would be in order for it to fit in that little space.  Or that could be the back of the coaster but correct me here, can't you see tnt from the entrance road?  If so then where's all the room coming from if they aren't going to get rid of tnt or echo hollow?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77@yahoo.com on June 05, 2016, 07:06:05 PM
Quote
but correct me here, can't you see tnt from the entrance road?  If so then where's all the room coming from if they aren't going to get rid of tnt or echo hollow?
Check google earth, there is enough room to do whatever they would like. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
As much as fun as worrying about the unknown is... let's look at a construction update instead

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/06/project-2017-sdc.html


Just so you know the numbers on the stakes are not coordinates, they are elevations.

Pretty sure elevations are coordinates but that's neither here or there. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 05, 2016, 07:43:50 PM
What continues to bother me is the fact that a lot of markings are right by Thunderation and even under some of the track.  What kind of coaster could be that close if they were keeping tnt open?  Walking down the line for tnt yesterday I saw the markings were a lot closer than I would like to see to tnt.  What could that all mean?

The orange markings on the ground around TNT are for various cables. The actual stake markers are where the track will go. Apparently the new coaster will come real close to TNT's pull out of the station, and we know it will cross over at least once, but nothing seems to point to them replacing TNT with this.

The track cross overs aren't anything exciting. I'd much rather have trees, but it's not a big deal either way.

I'm intrigued at the double wide construction trailer. Perhaps I just don't remember it, but have any of the other major coasters recently had their own construction office? Coasters typically go up too fast to need an on-site office...

This had better be one blow-out outstanding ride if they are going to take their sweet time on it again. Outlaw Run was worth the wait though...

While this is a pretty out in left field theory, but with talks of the ride being pushed back to 2018 perhaps they are bringing in special landscaping engineers who know how to build around caverns to make a large coaster tunnel (with possible water/fog elements) without disturbing the cave? Unlike what we were led to believe, I am still speculating on the possibility that the rumored dive coaster was actually for 2017 instead of 2020. A tunnel element is a known trademark of a dive coaster and it would work great with the terrain seeing how TNT already has one over there.

I don't know about all that cavern stuff necessarily, but yeah it could be that they'll take a whole year just to build a massive themed building/artificial mine shaft/cave to put this coaster in. That would really make it worth the wait. My dream is that this will end up being the B&M dive machine version of Mystery Mine, but I really doubt it.

Another possibility is that this is the Mack family launched coaster we've been waiting for. That would match the 'german' rumor. It would kind of overshadow TNT if the station is going to go right there, but a smaller coaster like that would be easier to conceal and encapsulate in certain areas to maintain EH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 08:00:03 PM
If they are going to wait until 2018 to have it open, it better be a BIG, HUGE deal to make us wait another year.  In other words, I'd be pretty upset if they wait another year for a coaster and it ended up being a little dinky ride of some kind.  When do they usually announce next years attractions?  Side question, does anyone have any press release or photos of videos from when they announced tnt and or first day it opened?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 05, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
As much as fun as worrying about the unknown is... let's look at a construction update instead

https://midwestinfoguide.blogspot.com/2016/06/project-2017-sdc.html


Just so you know the numbers on the stakes are not coordinates, they are elevations.

Pretty sure elevations are coordinates but that's neither here or there.

Generally coordinates would be latitude and longitude and elevations are distance above sea level.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 05, 2016, 08:16:55 PM
If they are going to wait until 2018 to have it open, it better be a BIG, HUGE deal to make us wait another year.  In other words, I'd be pretty upset if they wait another year for a coaster and it ended up being a little dinky ride of some kind.  When do they usually announce next years attractions?  Side question, does anyone have any press release or photos of videos from when they announced tnt and or first day it opened?

I think HFE seems to announce rides in August in recent years.

I would be really sad if this ride gets pushed back considering that it is almost obvious to everyone by now that something is coming.  I would rather have the other planned projects pushed back, because if I know what that is, I would be fine waiting until 2018 for it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 05, 2016, 08:37:30 PM
I don't know about all that cavern stuff necessarily, but yeah it could be that they'll take a whole year just to build a massive themed building/artificial mine shaft/cave to put this coaster in. That would really make it worth the wait. My dream is that this will end up being the B&M dive machine version of Mystery Mine, but I really doubt it.

Another possibility is that this is the Mack family launched coaster we've been waiting for. That would match the 'german' rumor. It would kind of overshadow TNT if the station is going to go right there, but a smaller coaster like that would be easier to conceal and encapsulate in certain areas to maintain EH.

I'll wait until 2018 if it means we are getting a heavily themed world-class indoor coaster. It's the one thing SDC NEEDS.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 08:57:51 PM
I hoping it's a world class rollercoaster, one that will have everyone on the edge of their seats waiting for this ride to open.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
A few things have come to light. 

1. This will NOT be a B&M
2. No one will see this coming (the style of coaster)
3. It's looking more like 2018 (like I said they are biting off a lot this offseason)

As always things change quickly so it could still come in 2017, but don't get your hopes up
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 05, 2016, 09:38:00 PM
What else are they biting off in this off season?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 05, 2016, 10:00:06 PM

What I'm hearing is that it will be a record breaking family hyper-indoor-cavern-mining-cowboy ride named for a bird that twists through TnT, loops around the EH stage, crosses Indian Pt Rd, swoops around the kiddy frog ride, and that will be made by Volkswagen and completed sometime before 2021.

Well....I'm officially still completely confused about what will happen....but its been fun  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
For anyone hoping for an indoor coaster, you might as well end those hopes now - it ain't happening
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 05, 2016, 10:26:44 PM
Someone mentioned markers by the TNT lift hill. These could have something to do with the new entrance/exit instead of a coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 05, 2016, 10:36:10 PM
Interesting development, while disappointing too considering it seemed to be the most likely (and logical) outcome for the park to expand with.
Which brings the question, will it even be a steel coaster at this point? I will laugh (in a good way) if it is a massive GCI terrain coaster as nobody would expect it considering their last coaster was a record setting RMC. The speculation continues.

Take Mountain Flyer built by GCI in China for instance:
http://parkthoughts.com/2010/02/16/new-gci-terrain-coaster-for-china/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unocjGOPRUM
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
It will be steel
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 05, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Which brings the question, will it even be a steel coaster at this point? I will laugh (in a good way) if it is a massive GCI terrain coaster as nobody would expect it considering their last coaster was a record setting RMC. The speculation continues.

I don't think it could be a GCI because it is looking like it will travel over TNT and I don't think a GCI coaster could travel over another, or at least they usually don't.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 05, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
A few things have come to light. 

1. This will NOT be a B&M
2. No one will see this coming (the style of coaster)
3. It's looking more like 2018 (like I said they are biting off a lot this offseason)

As always things change quickly so it could still come in 2017, but don't get your hopes up

Why did you post a few pages earlier that this coaster would have a traditional lift hill when you really had no clue.  And on another forum, that it's likely we'd be getting our first invert? Just be real swoosh. Anyway I'm thinking this could go the way of Firechaser Express. That's part hopeful and part I have no clue!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2016, 11:51:48 PM
A few things have come to light. 

1. This will NOT be a B&M
2. No one will see this coming (the style of coaster)
3. It's looking more like 2018 (like I said they are biting off a lot this offseason)

As always things change quickly so it could still come in 2017, but don't get your hopes up

Why did you post a few pages earlier that this coaster would have a traditional lift hill when you really had no clue.  And on another forum, that it's likely we'd be getting our first invert? Just be real swoosh. Anyway I'm thinking this could go the way of Firechaser Express. That's part hopeful and part I have no clue!

It will have a traditional lift hill (it will not be launched)

At the time, the coaster being described made it sound like it was going to be an inverted, when more details emerged it morphed into what sounded more like a wing coaster (note the person's legs are still dangling - so it was a natural progression).  The latest information has since progressed further.  When you combine that with where the higher ups have gone to tour coasters within the past year things fall into place. 

Speculation is fun.  I can only go off what backstage rumblings I hear.  Most of the time they're pretty spot on.  I'm not trying to come across as all knowing as I don't care.  If you want to get butthurt over what I post that's your prerogative.  But to protect my "buddies" I'm not going to come right out and say every single thing I'm told.  That's my prerogative. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2016, 09:10:31 AM
I'm wondering if that's not the end game for the Tracks.  They have really been "reinventing" Track 3 here lately.   The Tracks in Pigeon Forge have more rides at them then the Branson ones.  Personally I'd prefer a White Lightning clone (Fun Spot) then a Switchback Railway but either would work

I've been on both, as well as my kids, we all like Switchback better. I know you are partial to GCI over GG but that is a fun little coaster in that hole in the wall park. GCI has a similar concept that's never been built yet. I would like to see a corkscrew incorporated in the switchback concept but going backwards through one may be a bit much. A trick track to avoid it would be too slow to pull off diverting the train from a backwards  corkscrew. GG did well with that coaster. ZDT is a neat concept, a rather tame water coaster and a couple of more slides. An elevated go cart track that can be closed off and convert into a flat, all indoor track in case of rain. A decent selection of video games set on free play, a shot tower type ride,  a little fireball swing ride, multiple rock climbing walls, a bungee trampoline thingy, all for 20 bucks a head. We got there right after a thunder storm on Sat afternoon. We saw a flash of lightning as we parked and then the rain stopped. The coaster was back up after fifteen minutes of no lightning even though it was a light sprinkle and blue skies were still a few minutes away.

Back to 2017/2018, I hope it has the world's tallest drop track segment, like 20 ft. I think BGW's is 15ft?

Branson needs a Buckee's!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 06, 2016, 09:48:59 AM
I'm wondering if that's not the end game for the Tracks.  They have really been "reinventing" Track 3 here lately.   The Tracks in Pigeon Forge have more rides at them then the Branson ones.  Personally I'd prefer a White Lightning clone (Fun Spot) then a Switchback Railway but either would work

I've been on both, as well as my kids, we all like Switchback better. I know you are partial to GCI over GG but that is a fun little coaster in that hole in the wall park. GCI has a similar concept that's never been built yet. I would like to see a corkscrew incorporated in the switchback concept but going backwards through one may be a bit much. A trick track to avoid it would be too slow to pull off diverting the train from a backwards  corkscrew. GG did well with that coaster. ZDT is a neat concept, a rather tame water coaster and a couple of more slides. An elevated go cart track that can be closed off and convert into a flat, all indoor track in case of rain. A decent selection of video games set on free play, a shot tower type ride,  a little fireball swing ride, multiple rock climbing walls, a bungee trampoline thingy, all for 20 bucks a head. We got there right after a thunder storm on Sat afternoon. We saw a flash of lightning as we parked and then the rain stopped. The coaster was back up after fifteen minutes of no lightning even though it was a light sprinkle and blue skies were still a few minutes away.

Back to 2017/2018, I hope it has the world's tallest drop track segment, like 20 ft. I think BGW's is 15ft?

Branson needs a Buckee's!

Are you from Texas? I live in Katy TX and they are building a Buckee's 5 min from me!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2016, 10:29:47 AM
No he's from Arkansas.  He's just holidaying in Texas
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 06, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
...
Speculation is fun.  I can only go off what backstage rumblings I hear.  ...

This. I always feel a need to reiterate that this is all speculation and rumors. Everything in this thread should be taken with a healthy dose of salt. We're all just shooting the crap until more factual evidence shows up. You can never take the backstage rumblings too seriously because most of the employees don't know what they're talking about, and even if they did hear something real the plans change so often around here that it's hard to keep track of and know what's actually going to come to fruition.

If we assume B&M is really out of the question, that erases a lot of my assumptions and hopes for this project. My other guesses would be more family-oriented, like I said before with the family launched coaster. Looking through Mack and Gerstauler's catalogs, not much jumps out at me other than family launch coasters and spinning coasters. Not sure where I'd put my money now, but maybe a spinner is looking more and more like a good bet?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
You need to broaden your search from just those companies and not be so narrow minded on spinner.  They never said "tea-cup spinner" why are you automatically jumping to that style?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 06, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Is that why I never got a response on this?

I was thinking something more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2016, 11:48:44 AM
No he's from Arkansas.  He's just holidaying in Texas

New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah. Some 4,000 odd miles in total but we are home in NWA now for a couple of months.




Grand Canyon, Zion, Arches, Capital Reef, Canyonlands, Mesa Verde, Petrified Forest, Carlsbad Carvens National Parks, numerous National Monuments like Vermillion Cliffs, El Maipais, Sunset Crater, White Sands, ect. Nearly a dozen National Forests and then a 4 day stint in San Antonio.

Buc-ee's have made it as far north as the Metroplex now, I figure they'll be at the Texoma line and Texarkana area soon enough. My first visit to on was two years ago between Houston and Galveston. That is free enterprise and entrepreneurial vision at work right there. The Super Walmart of the convenience store world.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 06, 2016, 01:29:58 PM
You need to broaden your search from just those companies and not be so narrow minded on spinner.  They never said "tea-cup spinner" why are you automatically jumping to that style?

I've seen this posted somewhere on this forum. Isn't this what you're referring to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBcYF2QjoM
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 06, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
Is that why I never got a response on this?

I was thinking something more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWhDMbGYS0)
I hope so lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2016, 01:45:40 PM
You need to broaden your search from just those companies and not be so narrow minded on spinner.  They never said "tea-cup spinner" why are you automatically jumping to that style?

I've seen this posted somewhere on this forum. Isn't this what you're referring to?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBcYF2QjoM

I'm just saying spinners don't only have to spin on a y-axis. 
For some reason on here when people hear spinner they think Spinning Dragons/Pandemonium or Sierra Sidewinder.   There are spinners out there that are FAR from family rides. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 06, 2016, 01:59:26 PM
To be clear, when I say "spinner" I'm referring to any coaster with spinning cars including: single car spinning coasters (tony hawk's big spin), multi-car spinning coasters (sierra sidewinder), and even the Blue Fire concept. When you bring other axis into the equation it kind of makes the distinction useless. I call those rides 4D coasters.

The 4D concept ruined Arrow Dynamics, and when S&S bought them out and built the new one in Japan it had (and has?) plenty of trouble as well. I know there are new variations coming out now, especially with the new vertical 4D concept from S&S that both SFFT and SFGAdv have built, but that would really surprise me at SDC. Those things go well into the high thrill spectrum instead of the resort-friendly "looks more thrilling than it really is" type of stuff that you get from B&M.

The Blue Fire thing, on the other hand, is something we know they have investigated thoroughly at least. HFEC did go out to Europa park to ride it, and of course it was included as an option on a recent survey. I think we all kind of assumed they'd pass it up or it would go to DW instead, but who knows at this point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 06, 2016, 03:11:10 PM
Does Volkswagen make a spinner?

If it is a cowboy theme I hope it doesn't spin.  Actual....I hope it doesn't spin on any theme.

Didn't they once have a family ride on a survey years ago with a horse riding theme?  Seems like I took one probable 6-7 years ago by email.  Had individual horses to ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 06, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
wow....I just watched that Mack video.....that would be awesome.   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 06, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
Volkswagen as in the car manufacturer?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 06, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
Obviously, anything is possible, but plausible is a totally different thing. I personally don't think the park would invest in putting in a more tame "family" coaster on the heels of FL. I also don't see it as plausible that they would install one right next to an already very "family" oriented coaster in TNT.

Just my two.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 06, 2016, 05:27:31 PM
With SDC getting more and more attention to their rollercoasters by enthusiasts, I wouldn't be surprised if they added something that would set the world a buzz.  I'd like to see more rides like outlaw run, wildfire.  Something big, daring and fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 06, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
I just want to know..... And we might be speculating until August 2017 if they do delay this project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2016, 08:15:26 PM
Sounds like it's time to change the poll again.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on June 06, 2016, 08:17:48 PM
       If SDC does not build something this year they will have a bunch of disappointed fans.  I don't think they will pull a
Disney and hype it for 7 years while they drag their feet building it.  My money is on seeing development soon in this area I am betting that things are going to start to take shape soon.  Its only June, when were we seeing the work on Outlaw Run?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 06, 2016, 08:20:13 PM
Zephon shared pictures of site work the second week of January 2012 on OR. In terms of what that could mean for  whatever is going in near TNT, I see three possibilities.

1) Nothing is opening until 2018
2) Whatever is going in will open in 2017, but isn't going to going to blow our socks off
3) Work will be aggressive and less complex to construct than OR and will be ready by next season

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 06, 2016, 08:31:58 PM
Sounds like it's time to change the poll again.  ;D ;D ;D

 ;D
I eat crayons
 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 06, 2016, 08:46:11 PM
Does Volkswagen make a spinner?

If it is a cowboy theme I hope it doesn't spin.  Actual....I hope it doesn't spin on any theme.

Didn't they once have a family ride on a survey years ago with a horse riding theme?  Seems like I took one probable 6-7 years ago by email.  Had individual horses to ride.

Here's the idea with the horses: http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=1572.0

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 06, 2016, 10:45:40 PM
I'm confident in 100% confirming the following that should settle some of this:

1. 2018 debut
2. Official announcement coming in August of this year.
3. Their biggest investment ever (although we kinda already knew that.)

That's all I could get. Good thing is we will know specifics sooner than later.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2016, 11:14:03 PM
Sounds like it's time to change the poll again.  ;D ;D ;D

 ;D
I eat crayons
 ;D

Wow.  A lot more people eat crayons than I expected
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 07, 2016, 12:58:45 AM
I'm confident in 100% confirming the following that should settle some of this:

1. 2018 debut
2. Official announcement coming in August of this year.
3. Their biggest investment ever (although we kinda already knew that.)

That's all I could get. Good thing is we will know specifics sooner than later.

The 4D concept ruined Arrow Dynamics, and when S&S bought them out and built the new one in Japan it had (and has?) plenty of trouble as well. I know there are new variations coming out now, especially with the new vertical 4D concept from S&S that both SFFT and SFGAdv have built, but that would really surprise me at SDC. Those things go well into the high thrill spectrum instead of the resort-friendly "looks more thrilling than it really is" type of stuff that you get from B&M.

So we are talking about SDC's version of "X" but with a twist? (pun intended)
And that's kinda surprising if it's really gonna take well over a year for them to build it. It would have to be massive.
All that previous talk about 2017 being the "big" year to visit is gonna leave a lot of people disappointed IF this new development is indeed true. lol

Also on a side note it is pretty cool to see S&S has SDC featured as their banner image here: http://www.engineeringexcitement.com/product/4d-free-spin/
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 07, 2016, 08:08:21 AM
I'm confident in 100% confirming the following that should settle some of this:

1. 2018 debut
2. Official announcement coming in August of this year.
3. Their biggest investment ever (although we kinda already knew that.)

That's all I could get. Good thing is we will know specifics sooner than later.

Well, if we take that at face value, I might have to give up making guesses at this until the site develops more. That is, of course, also assuming that other previous rumors are also correct in that this won't be a B&M or something enclosed. I don't know what else they would spend so much money on, unless they are getting some kind of hyper/mega coaster.

Sounds like there's a lot of conflicting info out there right now. It'd be foolish to take too much stock in anything yet, so I'm just going to sit back and trust they know what they're doing for now.

The 2018 opening is being repeated by more and more employees, so I guess that is indeed what we're looking at. It's now a trend for them to take two years on some major projects. River Blast, Outlaw Run, and now this. We'll have it figured out one way or another this Fall at least.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 07, 2016, 08:37:16 AM
I'm confident in 100% confirming the following that should settle some of this:

1. 2018 debut
2. Official announcement coming in August of this year.
3. Their biggest investment ever (although we kinda already knew that.)

That's all I could get. Good thing is we will know specifics sooner than later.

Well, if we take that at face value, I might have to give up making guesses at this until the site develops more. That is, of course, also assuming that other previous rumors are also correct in that this won't be a B&M or something enclosed. I don't know what else they would spend so much money on, unless they are getting some kind of hyper/mega coaster.

Sounds like there's a lot of conflicting info out there right now. It'd be foolish to take too much stock in anything yet, so I'm just going to sit back and trust they know what they're doing for now.

The 2018 opening is being repeated by more and more employees, so I guess that is indeed what we're looking at. It's now a trend for them to take two years on some major projects. River Blast, Outlaw Run, and now this. We'll have it figured out one way or another this Fall at least.

Well, I guess White Water could use something major for 2017 then. After Aquatica San Antonio with it's aviary lazy river and sting rays and some exciting raft rides and ShlitterBahn New Braunfels, White Water stands outs as lacking even more. Even a a little park in a position dunk town had what I would call a junior water coaster.

Shave, you spend time in OKC right? The new slide, ropes, zip line, rock climbing, bungee tampoline thing in the Boathouse District screams Branson doesn't it?

I've said for many years here that a man made whitewater course and artificial ski slope resort complex would be killer in the summer, add that and you have only heck of a trio. Add some mountain bike trails as gravy.
(https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/Tv1QXTV22qlfOQKrxnseOA/ls.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 07, 2016, 09:04:57 AM
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the reason this thing is going to take until 2018 is because they are moving eco hollow? Maybe the ride itself wont take that long to build, maybe its all of the other things along with it. That might also explain the high price tag?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Preachin_Bill on June 07, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
This is all getting kind of crazy...truth is no one knows what is going on without making twenty guesses and hoping one of them is right, so they can say "told you so"
We have no idea and I don't see why people would be upset or disappointed if a new ride doesn't open this year, considering no one from SDC officially said there would be one.  It's all rumor and speculation, mostly on here and other forums, and most people who go to the park have no idea until SDC makes an official announcement anyway.  As shave says we have to take what we read on here with a grain of salt and I dont know that a lot of us are listening.
I don't care what it is or when it is as long as it is themed correctly and doesn't ruin the atmosphere of the park, trees, TNT, etc.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 07, 2016, 09:32:50 AM
If it will be a 2 year build I'd have to agree with the EH speculation then....

On my first first visit this year I stopped and looked over the EH area from the walkway the run across the top and gazed through the leafless trees down into EH.  I could imagine that would be an amazing vantage point for the GP to view a new attraction.  Kind of like the deck that overlooks WF.  I could easily the EH real estate and it's space filled with a ride and maybe filled in with some theming. 

I have 0% insider info but I would think that if EH is being moved.....the very first thing they would be doing is building its replacement.  Would a new EH be rebuild on that side of the park too?  Is there any other dirt moving around the property?  Would they go without an big amphitheatre?

For the record....Volkswagen is joke to laugh about how little we actually know and if it doesn't come till 2018 I will be disappointed....but that doesn't mean I'm mad or ungrateful about SDC and the next new thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 07, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
Or perhaps they are sitting back and laughing at all of the enthusiasts as they have bought all the lines they've "leaked" to their employees about the project.  ???  In the information age, they know we're fairly good at digging things up before the official announcements, and there have been so many things put out this time that we continue to scramble with our visions:

The demise of TnT
The demise of FM
Retheming GE
Relocating the entrance
Relocating EH
A coaster between WF and PK
A coaster to interact with TnT
A "spinner"
A $20 million expansion
A 2017 addition
A 2018 addition
A 2020 addition
A record setter
Removal of EH restrooms
Relocation of GE kiddie rides
A plaza
Relocating magic stage and area concessions
A combination of some of these

If a complete redesign is in order, and EH moves closer to the entrance, and the entrance moves for a better flow, and a new, record-setting coaster is built to "interact" with TnT, extending through the rethemed GE and circling around to the railroad (effectively removing FM), the entrance to the park could move closer to EH and cross beneath or through the new coaster in some way.  Yeah, I think I just guessed their whole plan for the next project; they can't put anything over on me!   :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 07, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
If this is actually not opening till 2018 im more excited! Gonna be huge!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 07, 2016, 11:34:23 AM
If this is actually not opening till 2018 im more excited! Gonna be huge!

Same here. It's going to be big, that's for sure. The next 20 months or so will be fun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 07, 2016, 12:51:55 PM
Or perhaps they are sitting back and laughing at all of the enthusiasts as they have bought all the lines they've "leaked" to their employees about the project.  ???  In the information age, they know we're fairly good at digging things up before the official announcements, and there have been so many things put out this time that we continue to scramble with our visions:

The demise of TnT
The demise of FM
Retheming GE
Relocating the entrance
Relocating EH
A coaster between WF and PK
A coaster to interact with TnT
A "spinner"
A $20 million expansion
A 2017 addition
A 2018 addition
A 2020 addition
A record setter
Removal of EH restrooms
Relocation of GE kiddie rides
A plaza
Relocating magic stage and area concessions
A combination of some of these

If a complete redesign is in order, and EH moves closer to the entrance, and the entrance moves for a better flow, and a new, record-setting coaster is built to "interact" with TnT, extending through the rethemed GE and circling around to the railroad (effectively removing FM), the entrance to the park could move closer to EH and cross beneath or through the new coaster in some way.  Yeah, I think I just guessed their whole plan for the next project; they can't put anything over on me!   :o

They don't have to leak anything, all of that and more is just base speculation that we throw out there based on what we can imagine them doing. Not hard to come up with a list of 100 possibilities for the park.

A lot of this is just speculating the inevitable though. The entrance will be re-done sooner or later, the coaster is obviously being built and it will need an entrance plaza, and something will happen to EH one way or another. Don't even get me started on FM. It's all just a matter of when on a lot of this.

And yeah, chittlins, White Water is kind of lost in all of this. It seemed like they were all gung-ho about rebuilding and re-imagining it a few years ago, but all progress seems to have ground to a halt. I hardly even remember it's there anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 07, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
Wonder how many people like me will pass on 2017 season tix if it ends up being a 2018 build?  That's not a hate on SDC or some type of threat....just stating that if that is the schedule I will probably save that vacation money for a trip somewhere else and watch what ever gets built get done from the message boards.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
Seriously though, I love the excitement and rumblings of what's going on at the city.  My kids ask me everyday if there are new pictures or any news about what's happening.  I can't wait till they really start releasing details.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 07, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
Wonder how many people like me will pass on 2017 season tix if it ends up being a 2018 build?  That's not a hate on SDC or some type of threat....just stating that if that is the schedule I will probably save that vacation money for a trip somewhere else and watch what ever gets built get done from the message boards.

I think I will.  I have passed on passes the last 2 years because of no new attractions that I cared about. I love the place but I just went on the Thursday special from Country Mart and cut back on my trips. I hope something new is coming in 17 but I want it done right also. This is all fun though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 07, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 07, 2016, 03:22:29 PM
^Other that the fact that this is the 42nd page of this thread, I guess it did.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 03:27:23 PM
7x6
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 03:30:56 PM
Or was it a reference to hitch hiking
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 07, 2016, 03:39:35 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 07, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?

It's not a hint, it's the answer!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 07, 2016, 04:00:44 PM

[/quote]

It's not a hint, it's the answer!
[/quote]

Hahaha 😀
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 07, 2016, 04:11:42 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?

It's not a hint, it's the answer!

So the coaster will open in 2042! Finally we get some speculation confirmed on this thread! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 07, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?

It's not a hint, it's the answer!

So the coaster will open in 2042! Finally we get some speculation confirmed on this thread! ;D
Well I will hope my health holds up by then so I can ride it. I would be in my 60's by that time. LoL
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 07, 2016, 04:32:08 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?

Oh Tanner, I'd have expected you of all people to know what 42 refers to.  Did you not have to read "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?  Maybe they have different required readings in Iowa. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 07, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
I think this thread has really brought something to light.....PTB listen up, sdc needs a place where people can eat crayons  ;D ;D ;D

Did everyone catch "42" as the other option?
I honestly hope that didn't go over anyone's head.

Wait, is 42 some sort of hint?

Oh Tanner, I'd have expected you of all people to know what 42 refers to.  Did you not have to read "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Gakaxy"?  Maybe they have different required readings in Iowa.

I get it now, I wasn't thinking about that. I was confused by someone saying something about page 42. No, we don't have to read "A Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy". :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 07, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
But, according to National Treasure 2, the answer may also be on page 47 of the president's secret book.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 07, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 07, 2016, 09:19:48 PM
Love National Treasure by the way...
The answer:
Family Guy. The TV show producers for Kids Say The Darndest Things asks Stewie Griffin, "How old do you think Daddy is"?
Stewie: 42
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Sungod on June 07, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
Jackie Robinson-#42
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2016, 12:20:51 AM
Jackie Robinson-#42

Um... Bruce Sutter.  Go Cards!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 08, 2016, 08:43:10 AM
For the record....I immediately understood 42....it is afterall the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"

The bigger question is....has anyone checked to see if Indian Point Rd is scheduled for a bypass?  The big yellow machines are making me nervous and don't forget to bring a towel!!!!

On that note......why hasn't that been made into a ride somewhere?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Tmboote on June 08, 2016, 11:48:40 AM
The bigger question is....has anyone checked to see if Indian Point Rd is scheduled for a bypass?  The big yellow machines are making me nervous and don't forget to bring a towel!!!!

On that note......why hasn't that been made into a ride somewhere?

Bring a towel?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 08, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
Wonder how many people like me will pass on 2017 season tix if it ends up being a 2018 build?  That's not a hate on SDC or some type of threat....just stating that if that is the schedule I will probably save that vacation money for a trip somewhere else and watch what ever gets built get done from the message boards.

I think I will.  I have passed on passes the last 2 years because of no new attractions that I cared about. I love the place but I just went on the Thursday special from Country Mart and cut back on my trips. I hope something new is coming in 17 but I want it done right also. This is all fun though.

That's typically why parks try so hard to keep a lid on things until they are ready for the reveal. They'll still try to pump something up for 2017 - probably the festival to replace World Fest. I'll be very surprised if they announce this attraction this year if it is for 2018. That will basically just push everyone who's on the fence away for a year.

I can understand some people needing something new to come back for, but there still is so much to do here that I can easily justify a pass every year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 08, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Season passes for 2018 were not happening due to our Euro trip. Still isn't happening with a new ride. All money goes to Europe. We dropped our football ticketsfor the next few years  to cover the airfare and build up hotel funds. Bad Timing, this new ride is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: cowboy on June 08, 2016, 12:46:35 PM
They can just do what they did for river blast........announce it, then push it back a year.

I find it interesting that they are already putting stakes in the ground for a project that might be opening in 2018. Unless this project is so huge it takes 2 years to build, but even the biggest steel coasters don't take that long for construction.

I wonder if what we are hearing is a combination of many projects, some opening in 2017 with others in 2018?

And why would they need a new access roadway? Don't they already have a roadway that is in that general area? Or will they be taking out their current access roadway for one of the new attractions?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 08, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
Mack just opened this in China. What if SDC got one with the tallest and largest loop in North America. I think the whole spinning/diving thing is 2020ish. If this had macks spinning cars, well that would be insane.

http://youtu.be/tp5lXXOiccw

As for the whole spinning car thing... if it was a Mack why not just use a mixed car train where some would rotate and others would not. Example, 1st car nonrotating, 2nd car rotates, 3rd car nonrotating, 4th rotates, fifth car car nonrotating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Well it being a Mack would go with the reports that the schematics show triangle shaped track. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 08, 2016, 02:49:18 PM
...
I find it interesting that they are already putting stakes in the ground for a project that might be opening in 2018. Unless this project is so huge it takes 2 years to build, but even the biggest steel coasters don't take that long for construction.

I wonder if what we are hearing is a combination of many projects, some opening in 2017 with others in 2018?

...

Trying to make sense of why they would drag it out an extra year, I can only assume that major infrastructure changes are in store and they want to get them done before the next major attraction surge. We've talked for years about how bad the entrance and exit is, and with the bag checks and added steps it is only getting worse. It is inevitable that it will be upgraded soon, so I'd put money down on that being something they are getting ready to work on this year. I've honestly been looking for markings or signs of work around the entrance for ages now. I can't believe it hasn't been done already.

Mack just opened this in China. What if SDC got one with the tallest and largest loop in North America. I think the whole spinning/diving thing is 2020ish. If this had macks spinning cars, well that would be insane.

http://youtu.be/tp5lXXOiccw

As for the whole spinning car thing... if it was a Mack why not just use a mixed car train where some would rotate and others would not. Example, 1st car nonrotating, 2nd car rotates, 3rd car nonrotating, 4th rotates, fifth car car nonrotating.

That would be amazing if they got that. A hyper coaster with a couple of inversions and no OTSR's. Throw in SDC's awesome terrain and you have the perfect coaster. The spinning cars would be completely unnecessary, but I wouldn't be surprised if they added one or more just for the marketing gimmick it would add. I guess without the special cars it would just be another Wildfire.

Only thing is, it would have to be a twisted layout to fit this space, unless they went over the road. Totally do-able either way, but if they were going to build this style of ride, why do it here and not at the other end of the park where they have more space? Perhaps there is more to the idea of them going over the road though. It seems unnecessary to me, but who knows.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 08, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Those Mack Rides look amazing!!!  Do they have any in the US?  Maybe SDC is working on another great deal (like with RMC) to get the company more attention in the US market?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 08, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
Here's another ride style that Mack makes: http://rcdb.com/12315.htm#p=68995

With that style they could get a wing coaster that could fit easily into extensive theming.

Mack has really expanded their catalog lately. They've taken over the aspects that both Intamin and Gerstauler used to specialize in, and improved upon them. They've been on the back of some enthusiasts' radar because all of their rides lately have been overseas, but they've been really pumping them out. SDC would be a great place for a triumphant return to the US market.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 08, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
Shave, don't be so surprised if they announce it this year. August.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 08, 2016, 07:14:41 PM
Disney announces their projects 7 years in advance, why can't SDC announce theirs 2 years early?  ::)

I agree with the opinion that multiple things are going to happen with this project, which would be the reason for the 2 year construction window.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 08, 2016, 07:16:06 PM
The double wide construction trailer next to TNT's lift hill does make more sense now if this is indeed a 2018 debut instead of next year. I am betting Echo Hollow will be no more. Not just the restrooms.

Timetable:  (guessing)
Summer/Fall 2016: Clearing and landscaping continues
November 2016: Final Curtain Call for Echo Hollow
Winter: 2016: Echo Hollow is taken out
Spring 2017: Echo Hollow demo completed, landscaping/infrastructure for the coaster is completed
Summer/Fall 2017: Major Construction of the Coaster/Plaza
Winter 2017: Coaster Construction complete, testing and final elements of the plaza installed.
Spring 2018: Grand Opening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 08, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Disney announces their projects 7 years in advance, why can't SDC announce theirs 2 years early?  ::)

I agree with the opinion that multiple things are going to happen with this project, which would be the reason for the 2 year construction window.

They announced a new hotel for Anaheim, it may be ready in 2021, geez.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
The double wide construction trailer next to TNT's lift hill does make more sense now if this is indeed a 2018 debut instead of next year. I am betting Echo Hollow will be no more. Not just the restrooms.

Timetable:  (guessing)
Summer/Fall 2016: Clearing and landscaping continues
November 2016: Final Curtain Call for Echo Hollow
Winter: 2016: Echo Hollow is taken out
Spring 2017: Echo Hollow demo completed, landscaping/infrastructure for the coaster is completed
Summer/Fall 2017: Major Construction of the Coaster/Plaza
Winter 2017: Coaster Construction complete, testing and final elements of the plaza installed.
Spring 2018: Grand Opening.

Echo Hollow isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sawblade5 on June 08, 2016, 08:48:59 PM
Can someone confirm that Ech Hallow is gonna be removed?  I heard denials of its removal on my park visit and stated that this attraction would go around it. Also besides the fact that there's no replacement for the Echo Hallow. Also SDC tends to advertise Final Year for big shows like this which they have not. Why wouldn't they advertise Final Year for the Echo Hallow show?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
Can someone confirm that Ech Hallow is gonna be removed?  I heard denials of its removal on my park visit and stated that this attraction would go around it. Also besides the fact that there's no replacement for the Echo Hallow. Also SDC tends to advertise Final Year for big shows like this which they have not. Why wouldn't they advertise Final Year for the Echo Hallow show?

Echo Hollow isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 08, 2016, 09:05:32 PM
^lol

The employees I was able to talk to all did agree on the fact that echo hollow wasn't going anywhere
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 09, 2016, 08:00:39 AM
From the trip reports I'm reading and from my parents experience.....sounds like the EH show has not been a hit this year.  Of course that can easily corrected without moving the whole venue.

I did some Mack roller coaster investigation last night....looked up the Helix, Blue Fire, and Lightning coasters that are oversees (some links on this board).  They look like a lot of fun!!!!  I'm sold on Mack as a ride maker IF that is the direction they are going.

My pitch to SDC is still to play off of FM and create a jailbreak story.  Story around how they where able to dig into a nearby mine shaft....try to ride off on the tracks only to end up back in custody.  Would be fun with a launch system that starts indoors with some heavy theming!!!!

I love the idea of themed areas with attractions with interconnected stories.  SDC would be one of the few places that it could be pulled off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: chittlins on June 09, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
From the trip reports I'm reading and from my parents experience.....sounds like the EH show has not been a hit this year.  Of course that can easily corrected without moving the whole venue.

I did some Mack roller coaster investigation last night....looked up the Helix, Blue Fire, and Lightning coasters that are oversees (some links on this board).  They look like a lot of fun!!!!  I'm sold on Mack as a ride maker IF that is the direction they are going.

My pitch to SDC is still to play off of FM and create a jailbreak story.  Story around how they where able to dig into a nearby mine shaft....try to ride off on the tracks only to end up back in custody.  Would be fun with a launch system that starts indoors with some heavy theming!!!!

I love the idea of themed areas with attractions with interconnected stories.  SDC would be one of the few places that it could be pulled off.

Mach has been churning out the new rides, here's a shuttle/water coaster

http://youtu.be/1xUab9Ivlg4

And their powered  inverted spinning ride system used at their own park
http://youtu.be/kr8J4eNJZNg
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: SDC#1fan on June 09, 2016, 10:57:31 AM
From the trip reports I'm reading and from my parents experience.....sounds like the EH show has not been a hit this year.  Of course that can easily corrected without moving the whole venue.

I did some Mack roller coaster investigation last night....looked up the Helix, Blue Fire, and Lightning coasters that are oversees (some links on this board).  They look like a lot of fun!!!!  I'm sold on Mack as a ride maker IF that is the direction they are going.

My pitch to SDC is still to play off of FM and create a jailbreak story.  Story around how they where able to dig into a nearby mine shaft....try to ride off on the tracks only to end up back in custody.  Would be fun with a launch system that starts indoors with some heavy theming!!!!

I love the idea of themed areas with attractions with interconnected stories.  SDC would be one of the few places that it could be pulled off.

Mach has been churning out the new rides, here's a shuttle/water coaster

http://youtu.be/1xUab9Ivlg4

And their powered  inverted spinning ride system used at their own park
http://youtu.be/kr8J4eNJZNg

Both of those look really fun. The indoor roller coaster has some great theming!! Id love to see something like that (yes swoosh I know you said it wouldn't be indoor).
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 09, 2016, 11:18:03 AM
From the trip reports I'm reading and from my parents experience.....sounds like the EH show has not been a hit this year.  Of course that can easily corrected without moving the whole venue.

I did some Mack roller coaster investigation last night....looked up the Helix, Blue Fire, and Lightning coasters that are oversees (some links on this board).  They look like a lot of fun!!!!  I'm sold on Mack as a ride maker IF that is the direction they are going.

My pitch to SDC is still to play off of FM and create a jailbreak story.  Story around how they where able to dig into a nearby mine shaft....try to ride off on the tracks only to end up back in custody.  Would be fun with a launch system that starts indoors with some heavy theming!!!!

I love the idea of themed areas with attractions with interconnected stories.  SDC would be one of the few places that it could be pulled off.

Mach has been churning out the new rides, here's a shuttle/water coaster

http://youtu.be/1xUab9Ivlg4

And their powered  inverted spinning ride system used at their own park
http://youtu.be/kr8J4eNJZNg

Wow....

The shuttle is pretty awesome....but I wouldn't want it at SDC (it's been tried here before....and seems like a low pph ride)   

The theming of that inverted ride is at Disney level.  I'd rather have a bigger thrill ride but I could see SDC doing something like that.  Maybe even a retrofit/rebuild of FM or FITH at some point.....even if it's just help with upgrading the theming.

If I only had the millions and millions of dollars to buy and build it out like how I would like....lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 09, 2016, 01:45:56 PM

My pitch to SDC is still to play off of FM and create a jailbreak story.  Story around how they where able to dig into a nearby mine shaft....try to ride off on the tracks only to end up back in custody.  Would be fun with a launch system that starts indoors with some heavy theming!!!!

I love the idea of themed areas with attractions with interconnected stories.  SDC would be one of the few places that it could be pulled off.

Humphry, There is a old thread on here somewhere where I proposed the same thing except it would be a log flume escape from the flooded mine. It would involve a mountain sort of like Splash mountain in WDW. I thought it would be a good idea in replacing the flooded mine and AP all in one big swoop and free up the entire AP area for a new ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 09, 2016, 04:27:42 PM
^ I think something like that could be pretty cool
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 09, 2016, 05:58:12 PM
Anyone gonna be in the city this weekend for updates on the progress?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 09, 2016, 06:37:36 PM
Anyone gonna be in the city this weekend for updates on the progress?

Nope.  This weekend will be nuts with the HGT anniversary bash.
This is a WOF/OOF week for me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 09, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Will it be bad Monday?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 10, 2016, 06:58:52 AM
Anyone gonna be in the city this weekend for updates on the progress?

Nope.  This weekend will be nuts with the HGT anniversary bash.
This is a WOF/OOF week for me.

Oh yeah I forgot it's their 90th. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 12, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
Anyone heard how busy the weekend was, or of any new developments.  Really needing an update here lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 14, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
Nothing at all from anyone? Really? I can't believe Summer is in full swing, a major park development is under way at the park, and we haven't heard a whisper of an update with respect to site changes for a couple weeks or more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 14, 2016, 09:16:33 AM
Nothing at all from anyone? Really? I can't believe Summer is in full swing, a major park development is under way at the park, and we haven't heard a whisper of an update with respect to site changes for a couple weeks or more.

Yeah It's crazy.  I think we are gonna go over the 4th holiday.  Hopefully I can report back with something.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 14, 2016, 09:34:33 AM
Nothing at all from anyone? Really? I can't believe Summer is in full swing, a major park development is under way at the park, and we haven't heard a whisper of an update with respect to site changes for a couple weeks or more.

It's a long trip for a lot of us so we have to block out an entire weekend for it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to do so for the next couple of months. I was hoping to go next month, but everything is up in the air for me at the moment.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 14, 2016, 09:41:49 AM
I was there yesterday! The clearing is getting larger and there are more markings in the swoop out of the tunnel area on Thunderation. I spoke with people and they say the park has told them only that this is a multi year project and that it will be two rides/attractions and that a announcement will come in late August or early Sept. The announcement date was consistent with everyone I spoke with.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 14, 2016, 02:07:33 PM
I was there yesterday! The clearing is getting larger and there are more markings in the swoop out of the tunnel area on Thunderation. I spoke with people and they say the park has told them only that this is a multi year project and that it will be two rides/attractions and that a announcement will come in late August or early Sept. The announcement date was consistent with everyone I spoke with.

All of that makes sense and lines up with what I was told. If it is two rides/attractions, that would also explain the price tag tossed around. I wonder if that means that they will be in the same general area?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 14, 2016, 02:13:50 PM
I was there Sunday. The clearing has gotten larger and you can see a dozen of the marker posts up on top of the hill when you swoop around the bottom turn on TNT. They also added a retainer wall next to the coaster tracks there. They also added a porch/platform thing by the doublewide construction trainer as it seems they are moving stuff in there now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 16, 2016, 07:24:39 PM
Some posts have been moved to the Future SDC Development Speculation (Long-term) thread to keep clarity in this thread's purpose.

The more I think about it, the more I think I might head out there next week to get an update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 17, 2016, 10:48:33 AM
Some posts have been moved to the Future SDC Development Speculation (Long-term) thread to keep clarity in this thread's purpose.

The more I think about it, the more I think I might head out there next week to get an update.

I'll be there this weekend at some point as well for an update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 12:21:11 PM
Coaster is definitely been moved to 2018.  It will be a first of its kind.  Next year is all about getting the infrastructure built up to accommodate the huge crowds that will be coming to ride this thing. 

So I guess we should move coaster discussion to a 2018 thread. 

Now let's discuss that new front gate and what all they'll be doing at the renovated Echo Hollow
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sawblade5 on June 17, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
Now Swoosh will there be a way for wheelchairs and scooters to get down to stage level or will be dad still be stuck in the nosebleeds with no way to get a scooter down at the Echo Hallow in 07?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
That I do not know.  I hope that they do some major renovations that will allow for that.  I don't know how they'll be able to achieve that, but that would be nice. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 17, 2016, 05:32:43 PM
I am just wondering how nostalgic they will be on the entrance. Could it be moved to a entirely different area? Or 1 way in And another way out? Looking at google earth it could be feasible to move the entrance next to Browns like they use for overflow now. So many possibilities.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 17, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
 ;D  ;D oh the sweet smell of crayolas in the morning
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
I am just wondering how nostalgic they will be on the entrance. Could it be moved to a entirely different area? Or 1 way in And another way out? Looking at google earth it could be feasible to move the entrance next to Browns like they use for overflow now. So many possibilities.

I don't know how true the rumor is - but they described it looking like a Bass Pro Shop.  That makes me very nervous
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: t-n-t on June 17, 2016, 10:27:17 PM
Doesn't the entrance wrap around to Brown's during Christmas time?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mammalone on June 17, 2016, 10:58:02 PM
I am just wondering how nostalgic they will be on the entrance. Could it be moved to a entirely different area? Or 1 way in And another way out? Looking at google earth it could be feasible to move the entrance next to Browns like they use for overflow now. So many possibilities.

I don't know how true the rumor is - but they described it looking like a Bass Pro Shop.  That makes me very nervous

I wouldn't be so nervous about that Swoosh. That marriage has been a long time coming. And with BP gearing up to open Wonders of Wildlife National Museum and Aquarium, coordinating makes sense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 17, 2016, 11:29:26 PM
I am just wondering how nostalgic they will be on the entrance. Could it be moved to a entirely different area? Or 1 way in And another way out? Looking at google earth it could be feasible to move the entrance next to Browns like they use for overflow now. So many possibilities.

I don't know how true the rumor is - but they described it looking like a Bass Pro Shop.  That makes me very nervous

I wouldn't be so nervous about that Swoosh. That marriage has been a long time coming. And with BP gearing up to open Wonders of Wildlife National Museum and Aquarium, coordinating makes sense.

They've only been gearing up to reopen WOW for what, 15 years now?  lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 18, 2016, 12:31:18 AM
So are we talking about a complete razing of the front entrance area? That has me worried. I know it has its issues with the crowds but I hope they won't destroy too much of it. Also it has sentimental value with my family as my father worked on that area as a Citizen in the 60's when they built it and a lot of the artwork he did can be found around there. Most notably the Marvel Cave Paintings and other items around the ticket booths.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10639454_10154008915322232_3335831264753401339_n.jpg?oh=a84b5191b6f940bd61f42cd59a361a24&oe=57E03DDD)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2016, 12:52:38 AM
I'd suggest taking as many photos of the area as you can. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 18, 2016, 06:55:36 AM
I cannot believe they would do any scenario that does not route people past the bakery. But that pathway and the sinkhole is the big bottleneck. Looking at google Earth there are several options. The way in around by Browns, Build a new building replacing and covering the cave tram. Razing the Hospitality House? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 18, 2016, 06:57:44 AM
Do we know for sure this will be for 2017? If so, this will be very interesting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: mhguy77 on June 18, 2016, 07:34:58 AM
The issue I see with the Browns entrance is the lackluster greeting you get when you enter this way.  I would foresee a bottleneck much worse that the HH entrance because it dumps you in the middle of a path ...left or right? and people cant make those decisions easily.  They will stop dead in their tracks and start looking at maps.  Unless of course they open the plaza up in this are as well.  It might make more sense to open up the entrance by retooling the HH widening the entrance path and using Browns as a exit.  They would loose merchandise display area but it would be the least damaging, double the width of the pass-through of HH or build a deck and pass-through going over the cave trams between the bakery and HH that lets out on the left of the HH.  Thoughts?
 I must say its a lot of build up to not have a new attraction on the roster for next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Grapeslie on June 18, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
I see them moving the entrance completely and using existing infrastructure for restaurants and what not. We may not lose all those paintings. And remember they CAN'T move the cave so a lot of that stuff is safe I'd assume. Could open up some flat land in the current front of the park for rides as well so this could get very interesting.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 18, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
I don't see the entrance being moved over by Brown's. That would be very anti climactic upon entrance than mhguy said. I think we are in for more of a refurbishing of our current entrance. I don't know what to make of the Bass Pro rumor.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 18, 2016, 11:22:12 AM
The hospitality house is the main issue I see. That and the rock wall where the big SDC logo is. Perhaps sacrifice some of the parking lot and the southern wall on the southeastern side and make a second entrance there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 18, 2016, 12:42:14 PM
The hospitality house is the main issue I see. That and the rock wall where the big SDC logo is. Perhaps sacrifice some of the parking lot and the southern wall on the southeastern side and make a second entrance there.

I could see them making one giant building taking in the current Ozark marketplace ,building a new structure over the unload area for the cave tram and building a new building where the HH/ gift shop is currently at.  That would still dump people out in the Square for the first impression plus it still leaves the bakery in play which is a big moneymaker. It would also open up the old ticket booth and rock wall/ guest services area for new attractions , restaurants, resort. Cave tours could start from almost anywhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 18, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
^Oooh I like this. The word resort is very intriguing....
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 18, 2016, 04:17:58 PM
Okay, I totally love Runner's idea. Kinda makes me think of how Disneyland Paris is set up, with the big hotel in front that you walk through/under to get into the park: http://binged.it/24Yc4Ao
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: joshblakebran on June 18, 2016, 06:13:58 PM
This may be totally unrelated and in the wrong place, but will the new/relocated entrance or whatever they decide to do with it or construction of the station for the new ride effect the swinging bridge in any way? I didn't know if, with the possiblilites being thrown around out there, the swinging bridge would be in the proximity of the new infrastructure of all the projects going on.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2016, 06:37:49 PM
The hospitality house is the main issue I see. That and the rock wall where the big SDC logo is. Perhaps sacrifice some of the parking lot and the southern wall on the southeastern side and make a second entrance there.

That parking lot is history.  You guys are thinking too small. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 18, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
Okay, I totally love Runner's idea. Kinda makes me think of how Disneyland Paris is set up, with the big hotel in front that you walk through/under to get into the park: http://binged.it/24Yc4Ao

Yes, yes, yes!!

This may be totally unrelated and in the wrong place, but will the new/relocated entrance or whatever they decide to do with it or construction of the station for the new ride effect the swinging bridge in any way? I didn't know if, with the possiblilites being thrown around out there, the swinging bridge would be in the proximity of the new infrastructure of all the projects going on.

I think we'll have to wait for more details but I wouldn't think the swinging bridge would be in danger.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 18, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
That parking lot is history.  You guys are thinking too small.

VERY interesting. This is just going to get better and better..
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 18, 2016, 08:50:56 PM
That parking lot is history.  You guys are thinking too small.

VERY interesting. This is just going to get better and better..

You can say that again
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 18, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
VERY interesting, this is just going to get better and better...
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2016, 09:04:58 PM
VERY interesting, this is just going to get better and better...








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Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 18, 2016, 09:18:46 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Duelist on June 19, 2016, 04:48:29 PM
i voted Other for the best tasting color- i like the sarsparilla ones the best!
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 19, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
On a more serious note, one thing I would love about a revamped entrance is an SDC history museum of some sort. Something to show the park's history and how far it has come. I think that would be really cool and a great touch. Not many parks have this and it would just further set SDC apart showing that they do remember and embrace their past.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: psychosaw13 on June 19, 2016, 08:38:08 PM
On a more serious note, one thing I would love about a revamped entrance is an SDC history museum of some sort. Something to show the park's history and how far it has come. I think that would be really cool and a great touch. Not many parks have this and it would just further set SDC apart showing that they do remember and embrace their past.

Yes a living interactive museum/entrance. With a small Rube Dugan theater showing the under water film.
*The stuff dreams are made of*
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2016, 10:07:09 PM
On a more serious note, one thing I would love about a revamped entrance is an SDC history museum of some sort. Something to show the park's history and how far it has come. I think that would be really cool and a great touch. Not many parks have this and it would just further set SDC apart showing that they do remember and embrace their past.

I hate to be Debbie Downer - but if they cared about their past there would not be gripe threads about theming disappearing, American Plunge's tunnel, FM neglect, FITH neglect, etc
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 19, 2016, 10:36:59 PM
^I realize things aren't perfect but all in all I think SDC does a pretty good job. I've said it multiple times that I think a lot of fans overreact to certain things. I say that but then again the American Plunge tunnel is one of my biggest gripes.  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Pintrader on June 20, 2016, 07:34:34 AM
On a more serious note, one thing I would love about a revamped entrance is an SDC history museum of some sort. Something to show the park's history and how far it has come. I think that would be really cool and a great touch. Not many parks have this and it would just further set SDC apart showing that they do remember and embrace their past.

I hate to be Debbie Downer - but if they cared about their past there would not be gripe threads about theming disappearing, American Plunge's tunnel, FM neglect, FITH neglect, etc


I have heard on more than one occasion that the treehouse has not disappeared because of one person.   That one person is Jack Herschend.   So it does sound like there is some feeling of the past or sentimental value in some areas of the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 08:17:01 PM
I am just wondering how nostalgic they will be on the entrance. Could it be moved to a entirely different area? Or 1 way in And another way out? Looking at google earth it could be feasible to move the entrance next to Browns like they use for overflow now. So many possibilities.

I don't know how true the rumor is - but they described it looking like a Bass Pro Shop.  That makes me very nervous

Have you seen the bass pro shop in the pyramid in person?  The theming in there is absolutely amazing.  If they use that type of attention to detail to theming this could be great.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 08:29:01 PM
I'm confused.  What does swamp land have to do with 1880s Ozark Mountains?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 20, 2016, 08:45:13 PM
Have you seen the bass pro shop in the pyramid in person?  The theming in there is absolutely amazing.  If they use that type of attention to detail to theming this could be great.

I'm confused.  What does swamp land have to do with 1880s Ozark Mountains?

I've been to they Pyramid Bass Pro and yes, it is amazing. But gotta agree with Swoosh on this one. It doesn't scream SDC to me. Bass Pro comes in and it's only a matter of time before we start seeing McDonald's, Panda Express, and Burger King spring up around the park. No thanks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
I'm not saying I think the swamp would fit in there.  If the theming is done ozark 1880 with the type of attention to detail as that.  I'm not saying put the bass pro shop at sdc. And please never a mcdonalds. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 20, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
I hope we never get any corporate branding.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 20, 2016, 09:23:59 PM
I hope we never get any corporate branding.

We already got Coke and Humana signage everywhere. The park already crossed that threshold. Granted its blended in a bit and not in your face unlike other places.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 20, 2016, 09:31:06 PM
Eh, I guess I forgot about Coke. I guess I don't mind that as much because everywhere you go is sponsored by some soft drink (and I would much rather have Coke than Pepsi). I guess I should be more specific in that I hope we don't ever see fast food restaurants on property like you see at Cedar Fair or Six Flags. I don't think we have any reason to worry, other than the random Bass Pro rumor.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2016, 09:38:41 PM
I think you misunderstood.  The design looked like a Bass Pro NOT that it would BE a Bass Pro
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 09:41:37 PM
Oh ok well I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box lmao. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 20, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Oh ok well I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box lmao. 

Me either! My mistake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 20, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Joy on June 20, 2016, 11:19:19 PM
So, basically, what I'm gathering from this is that it would be similar to Bass Pro in that it would be some kind of outdoor setting presented inside a building, yes? That's already done in a low-key manner at the Ozark Marketplace, so that seems to be a natural progression.

Should we be looking at the Gaylord Resorts as another example? Basically, this could be a Resort/Entrance that looks like the Memphis Bass Pro or the Gaylord Resorts, only it would be 1880s mining town theme....?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on June 21, 2016, 08:07:24 AM
What kind of need to do in the parking lots is build maybe some small parking garages only 2-3 stories.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 21, 2016, 08:15:19 AM
2017 rumors have gone from coaster talking to retail/mall design rumors :(  Boooo

It already blows my mind sometimes when I think about the fact that you pay a ticket to get access to shop at stores that sell items at premium prices.....and I know not ALL prices are outrageous and that SDCs basic amusement park goods are reasonable compared to its competitors.  But it would be like paying an entry price to get into a premium retail mall just to get the opportunity to shop :-\  Obviously.....it's apart of the theme park biz model and not exactly invented by SDC....but make it really illogical to come to SDC just to shop if you don't care about rides or shows.

After that rant/observation with no solution suggested.....

I guess a new entry plaza would be nice....I'm sure they see the ridiculous squeeze the current setup causes during peak times.  I'm imagining that the current ticketing building would be torn down and a new setup built within the current bus loop.  The new building could have a lot of possibilities from basic gift shop/tix booths to full resort like hotel structure (I doubt).  That would open a huge space up for bag checks/tix entry/hospitality/shops/new photo ops areas?  I'm guessing they leave the current walkway to the square alone and create a new walkway to the new plaza area by TnT/new ride?  Giving you a new option of entry and exit?  Maybe the new ride has some type of 'interaction' or photo op space at the new entry plaza.  I could image that type of setup could provide plenty of room for more/new shops and restaurants to help replace some of the buildings that it sounds like they might demo around TnT.  That setup would also mean some type of reworking of the tram/bus drop off and loss of a bunch of handicap parking real estate.....which I would just assume then gets pushed back into the premium parking areas.

Who's doing the MS paint image?
 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 21, 2016, 08:28:29 AM
^^^^Well...connecting the entry to the new coaster area is probably a terrible idea.....I just looked at google earth....I didn't realize how many buildings are between the current entry plaza and where the new coaster plaza is proposed to be.

Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: dawsonrt on June 21, 2016, 08:31:34 AM
2017 rumors have gone from coaster talking to retail/mall design rumors :(  Boooo

The coaster discussion was moved to 2018 speculation due to the coaster being pushed back to 2018.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 21, 2016, 10:37:30 AM
Quote
2017 rumors have gone from coaster talking to retail/mall design rumors :(  Boooo

I don't think anyone has said "retail/mall rumors".  Right now, the discussion is only about an entry plaza.  The mention of Bass Pro was only a reference to the possible appearance of the entry, not a reference to an actual retail area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 21, 2016, 12:44:56 PM
The retail/mall thing is a little tongue in cheek....but seriously....the retail layout/flow of a new entrance/exit is a huge topic for HFE if they are doing a big redesign.  You already have to walk through 2 gift shops to exit....so they obviously care about that flow.  It's not crazy to look at SDC as basically an well maintained outdoor mall with attractions (rides and shows) that your ticket pays the costs for.  The main gate becomes like the 'front end' of a retail store complete with the first impression and last chance selling.  That is why it reminds me of retail design.

I know the coaster talk has been moved....I haven't been talking about the coaster?  and just to cover it....I don't expect a Bass Pro Shop (I didn't bring that up)
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 21, 2016, 04:17:23 PM
Actually multiple paths in would not be at all unique and I think a great addition. The Magic kingdom you can choose to go left or right. Also at Disneys Animal Kingdom there are meandering paths from the gates into the park. Mix this with small retail, food and other things and you have a unique park experience. Think of a well shaded paths weaving through Ozark limestone bluffs , waterfalls , faux cave entrances mixed with piped in natural sounds.  Add a couple nice ( no buffet) sit down restaurants.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 21, 2016, 05:59:59 PM
Actually multiple paths in would not be at all unique and I think a great addition. The Magic kingdom you can choose to go left or right. Also at Disneys Animal Kingdom there are meandering paths from the gates into the park. Mix this with small retail, food and other things and you have a unique park experience. Think of a well shaded paths weaving through Ozark limestone bluffs , waterfalls , faux cave entrances mixed with piped in natural sounds.  Add a couple nice ( no buffet) sit down restaurants.

Can they hire you right now Runner?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 21, 2016, 06:25:59 PM
Since I am retired I am available.  :) just do not have the right degree.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 21, 2016, 07:33:24 PM
^^^^This is an accurate description - that you must pay to shop (unless you acquire a shopping pass).  I just wanted to clear things up, as it seems like people are taking little statements here and there and blowing them out of proportion.

I would love to be a part of the redesign process.  Make the entry into an experience of their own to enchant the visitor right off.  Part of the mystery of a theme park is the disorientation someone feels upon entering for the first time.  Things don't have to be wide and straight to keep the flow, and hidden gems throughout the park are more than welcome.

Are we also wondering if a new ticketing system might come along with this?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Coaster on June 21, 2016, 09:32:31 PM
^I guess I don't see SDC as an outdoor mall because I have been to the Disney parks. Once you've been there, you know EXACTLY how it feels to pay to get in to shop. SDC does not feel like that to me.

However speaking of Disney, their theming is amazing. And if SDC's new entrance can immerse us in the 1880's Ozark culture as well as Disney has done with their parks, that would be considered a major success in my opinion. HB, what are you meaning by a new ticket system?
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 21, 2016, 10:01:07 PM
I mean, as long as they are changing the turnstiles, why wouldn't they update the system?  Something so I don't have to present a photo ID, something more than paper, something a little more streamlined, especially with the season passes.  I don't think it needs to be Disney technology, but something...  This would be the time to do it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Runner1960 on June 22, 2016, 06:17:32 AM
I mean, as long as they are changing the turnstiles, why wouldn't they update the system?  Something so I don't have to present a photo ID, something more than paper, something a little more streamlined, especially with the season passes.  I don't think it needs to be Disney technology, but something...  This would be the time to do it.

I agree the ticket system is so outdated. It causes huge backup at the turnstiles But, it might be harder to change if they use this system wide at all properties. Dollywood used to use the same system. Disney uses the bio metric finger scanner for ID which would be a good way to go. No need for a ID when you go through the gate.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 22, 2016, 08:12:28 AM
I mean, as long as they are changing the turnstiles, why wouldn't they update the system?  Something so I don't have to present a photo ID, something more than paper, something a little more streamlined, especially with the season passes.  I don't think it needs to be Disney technology, but something...  This would be the time to do it.

I'm with you on this.  An updated ticket system would be a great step. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 22, 2016, 09:08:22 AM
Changing the ticket system and POS (point of sale) would be a huge upgrade!!!!  This is topic in my wheelhouse.

I'd recommend installing a common system between all properties (at least in Branson) to start capitalizing in basic user friendly tech enhancements throughout the park.  It doesn't have to be the Disney level system either.  Just need the common interface and readers at all point of sale locations.  Season pass holders could be issued cards (with or without RFID) with photo id printed on them at first visit (could even upload a pic before the visit online to have the card ready at the gate).  Cards can save credit or debit card account info to be used for charging you at the end of the day and then you can use your season pass card to purchase anything from anywhere in a HFE location.  Accounts could be linked to you SDC phone app to give you 'real-time' overview of the charges.  I wouldn't expect it to speed up the turnstiles that much more (still would need to probably bring a photo id) but could help with the restaurant and gift shop lines.  Could even do various types of promotions/discounts that are personalized to pass holders through the account...including bring a friend options that don't including having to have the physical ticket....just scan at the turnstile and point at your friend when it pops up that you have that option today.  One day passes could either utilize a generic card and/or paper.  Could probably add an account to a generic card if a customer wanted through an app or kiosk's around the park.  Could use the cards to scan for Show Lovers and Trailblazers passes.  Could use the cards year after year and HFE would have a form of direct marketing to season pass holders through the account setup.  Cards could be used as tickets to all branson attractions and even could be used as room keys if HFE gets to that point.  This is a pretty basic system to build these days....most hotels have a version of it....and I'm sure HFE could spin up some competition between tech providers if they can't create it themselves.

Of course Disney has a system like this on drugs.  It's is basically the same thing but at different level is utilizes more and newer tech.  The WIFI enabled RFID watches are both amazing and a little scary.  They can track a customers every move within feets while they are in the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Madtwins on June 22, 2016, 09:37:25 AM
^that would be awesome.  I would love to have a seasons pass card that isn't paper that could be used for purchases throughout the park.  And I like the idea of being able to keep the same card year after year. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: HumphreyHawk on June 22, 2016, 10:51:22 AM
I'm not sure if the majority of SDC guest would be ready for it yet.....but this system could also easily use your smart phone as a season pass too.  You'd just need to sign on through an SDC app and it could display a QR code to scan at the gates for entry (like paperless boarding passes the airlines use).  Upgrade the checkouts to have the RF scanners and/or displays and you can pay by either a "apple pay" like tech from a smart phone and/or open a QR scanner through the SDC app you are logged onto and scan a QR code from the display from the cash register to link the SDC account with the purchase.  Could go cardless with a basic smart phone and SDC season pass account/app.  Tech is already being used in retail and starting to catch on with consumers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: bwm8184 on June 22, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
I think a good redesign for the entry would include 2 walkways that enter onto the current square. Move the current SDC sign forward and remove the wall where it currently is. That would open up that space significantly and would ease congestion flowing through the small door way entrance. They could still use the current path that goes past the bakery and with some added theming you could use the current overflow entrance but instead of entering by Brown's Candy Factory you would enter on the square between Reunion Hall and the Hospitality House. This would require some demolition on the HH and moving the waiting area for cave tours to the existing building where you can inquire about getting married in the park (sorry I don't know what it's called). This would allow for minimal changes to the landscape around the opening to the cave. This would require some changes to the landscaping on the square most likely but would ease congestion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
I think a good redesign for the entry would include 2 walkways that enter onto the current square. Move the current SDC sign forward and remove the wall where it currently is. That would open up that space significantly and would ease congestion flowing through the small door way entrance. They could still use the current path that goes past the bakery and with some added theming you could use the current overflow entrance but instead of entering by Brown's Candy Factory you would enter on the square between Reunion Hall and the Hospitality House. This would require some demolition on the HH and moving the waiting area for cave tours to the existing building where you can inquire about getting married in the park (sorry I don't know what it's called). This would allow for minimal changes to the landscape around the opening to the cave. This would require some changes to the landscaping on the square most likely but would ease congestion.

Not trying to poo poo on your idea - but you do realize that the sink hole for the cave is right there.   That's the reason the walkway to the park takes it's current winding path
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Dewayne on June 22, 2016, 09:44:11 PM
I can imagine it now. Taking out my plastic SDC card with the barcode or QR code scanner, my picture, and name on it (kinda like a Frontier City pass). I cant accidentally rip it and I dont need to take my ID out. I dont care if it takes up much space in my wallet. It would be worth it. I know it may take a little longer when buying it, but it would be worth it to not take my ID out every single time. Since people wont need to pull out their ID, it may save like 5 seconds but thats better than nothing.

Digital cards? I never thought of that. It would have all the great things about the card above but it wont take up space in my wallet. I can just pull it up on my phone like how I pull up my card on the app every time I go to Kum & Go. Either way, you cant go wrong.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: sdcfan88 on June 23, 2016, 12:01:27 AM
Anyone remember that SDC already had those credit card season passes a few years ago? Why not go back to something like that? They simply just checked your ID and swiped your pass card through a machine.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: shavethewhales on June 23, 2016, 09:13:11 PM
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Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: History Buff on June 23, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
^^Posting this again after deletion:

We're still using the same cards.  We just don't put them through the machines any more.  The technology was short-lived, but the machines were still lit up with red X's.
Title: Re: SDC's 2017 Project(s) and Park Developments
Post by: Swoosh on June 23, 2016, 10:16:44 PM
Shave, I'm not a fan of this white text on white background set up.  Makes it hard to read replies
  ;)