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Title: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 12, 2013, 08:22:08 PM
;D We're just getting started people.  Oh how I wish I could tell you more.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 12, 2013, 09:07:35 PM
How long until you can?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 12, 2013, 09:33:12 PM
I'm glad to hear, but let's wait until we have something substantial to talk about before we go off on what could happen in two years. We all know how often plans change anyway.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 04, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
So, since Pete Herschend seems to be telling people to get excited for 2015, we might as well get back to this topic. Pete doesn't exactly lead people on, and it's hard to mistake him telling coaster enthusiasts to watch the park for anything other than essentially the announcement of another coaster project - or at least something pretty major.

We've certainly seen a number of past coaster rumors float through these forums that could have been real projects that were explored or shelved or whatever that could be coming back to life, or maybe we're in for an iteration of whatever it is DW is getting in 2014. I would assume they'll go for something more family oriented this time, so a zierer/intamin coaster with a drop track could be a good possibility.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on May 04, 2013, 11:57:34 PM
Well at this point in the game--anything--can be possible.  So I will throw in my pennys worth.
I know a real popular ride at other parks right now is an "elevator" type ride. You know, you go up a couple hundred feet (straight up a pole basically) then go freefalling down at a rate that could bust concrete, before screeching to a halt just mere feet before impact.

Since (probably) none of us really have an idea what will be next project will be (except possibly Swoosh) I will guess this type of ride.  (Swoosh is good at his job. If he does know, it will be kept secret---as it should).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
Well at this point in the game--anything--can be possible.  So I will throw in my pennys worth.
I know a real popular ride at other parks right now is an "elevator" type ride. You know, you go up a couple hundred feet (straight up a pole basically) then go freefalling down at a rate that could bust concrete, before screeching to a halt just mere feet before impact.

Since (probably) none of us really have an idea what will be next project will be (except possibly Swoosh) I will guess this type of ride.  (Swoosh is good at his job. If he does know, it will be kept secret---as it should).

there has been banter here about a smaller project between major projects and one of those has been the possible move of the Flume ride and shot tower left at CC. the shot tower is a smaller one but the S&S ones seem to be popular. They take up very little space.  It would need much more theming though.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeOg6MANzQs

And it was on the same survey as the wood coaster
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/Moon_Shot.jpg)


The other was horseback concept ride.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/Stagecoaster.jpg)

Since that time there have been several forms of this concept come to pass. Themed from horses to 4 wheelers to jet skis to motorcycles. In fact there's one similar at Darien Lake that Herschend now manages. It is more of a standard park model and not very customized

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrZSMBPKANg

But here is Jet Ski Rescue at Sea World down under and it is customize and notice it's low profile and how it can hug the ground. It could really fit in well with SDC's terrain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrZSMBPKANg

I could see that now since SDC has headed west, a horseback version on one of these could be themed to a fort out west and based on US Cavalry
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on May 05, 2013, 01:28:06 PM
The shot tower looks like something Doc Harris would come up with... The old overflow queue across the street from Wildfire would be the perfect spot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2013, 03:50:20 PM
about that horseback themed launch coaster

Here is one that just opened up themed to atvs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0D_aVPYPWE
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on May 05, 2013, 04:36:20 PM
Yeah, if we get a shot tower, I'd prefer a taller one. I ADORE Detonator at Worlds of Fun, and would love to have one at least that tall.

And I agree with Hollywood -- the Wildfire overflow queue would be a perfect place to put one!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on May 05, 2013, 07:02:59 PM
Take a look at this.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120725061424/http://www.primeplay.com/splash_track.html

The website is now behind a login wall; and judging from the lack of other times available, making it public was probably a mistake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 05, 2013, 07:50:11 PM
Take a look at this.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120725061424/http://www.primeplay.com/splash_track.html

The website is now behind a login wall; and judging from the lack of other times available, making it public was probably a mistake.

It's on the ideas thread, I found that over a year ago and posted it there. Vekoma opened up a coaster like this in Dubai recently, it's all been posted there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 06, 2013, 10:35:57 AM
As always, HFEC and SDC continue to impress with a commitment to park growth and entertainment value. Really excited to hear that another possible major addition could be just around the corner. However, in fairness, would a steeplechase type coaster or interactive water coaster really qualify as a major project? Neither of those scenarios seem overly significant in comparison to the likes of OR. And in terms of the fiscal investment, one could argue that even OR wasn't very major. All that said, let me be clear that I am thrilled with the addition of OR, and would welcome another coaster of any kind.

Really hard to gauge any speculation or rumors at this point, but if we're talking about something new for 2015, and it's going to be big, I would hope we would be getting some more concrete clues be the end of this year.

My dream scenario would be upgrades to MM, FITH and AP for 2014. Then, one of two things for 2015:

1) Another major addition near OR, plus new demo/retail spaces to create an entirely new park area
2) Another major addition near the old WB site, with a new path connecting GG to Wilson's Farm, opening a full loop around Silver Lake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on May 06, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
As always, HFEC and SDC continue to impress with a commitment to park growth and entertainment value. Really excited to hear that another possible major addition could be just around the corner. However, in fairness, would a steeplechase type coaster or interactive water coaster really qualify as a major project? Neither of those scenarios seem overly significant in comparison to the likes of OR. And in terms of the fiscal investment, one could argue that even OR wasn't very major. All that said, let me be clear that I am thrilled with the addition of OR, and would welcome another coaster of any kind.

Really hard to gauge any speculation or rumors at this point, but if we're talking about something new for 2015, and it's going to be big, I would hope we would be getting some more concrete clues be the end of this year.

My dream scenario would be upgrades to MM, FITH and AP for 2014. Then, one of two things for 2015:

1) Another major addition near OR, plus new demo/retail spaces to create an entirely new park area
2) Another major addition near the old WB site, with a new path connecting GG to Wilson's Farm, opening a full loop around Silver Lake.

I agree with the above post. I really do not see a small steel coaster or shot tower as a major investment. Also, I would really hate to see HFEC relocate the small log flume from celebration city. That attraction was just about one step up from traveling carnival type rides. It may play out ok in GE but not as a major attraction. I would hope we have something big on the horizon that would be a major draw nationwide.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
The 2015 addition will be a MAJOR addition.  The main attraction will be completely brand new -- as in nothing from CC will be the MAIN attraction for 2015.

From what I have heard 2014 will be relatively quiet as the park rides out OR for another season, though there will be more infrastructure upgrades around the park
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on May 06, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
This is the part I dislike, being a City folk  ::)  ...but I enjoy the speculation until we're told it's ok to discuss it  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 06, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
I didn't know you worked at the City, Tinmann.  What is your job there?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 06, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
The 2015 addition will be a MAJOR addition.

Swoosh, when you say MAJOR, can you give us a bit more perspective?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, while Outlaw Run can be considered a major attraction, the investment for it's construction ($10 million) was't much above that of River Blast ($7 million).

Taking into account critical factors like construction cost, physical size, and park/industry impacts, for the sake of amusement and continued discussion, would you mind amusing us with a little exercise? This is in no way an attempt to rank SDC's coasters based on the actual ride experience. All are great in their own right, and that's an entirely different discussion altogether. Just hope to get your opinion about the actual scope of the next potential major addition to SDC.

All that said, on a scale of 1 to 10, let's assign values to SDC's current "traditional" coaster lineup as follows:

TNT – 5
PK – 7
OR – 7
WF – 8

How would you score the 2015 project based on what you know now? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2013, 11:10:18 PM
I've not heard a dollar figure yet. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 07, 2013, 12:26:27 AM
I've not heard a dollar figure yet. 

I think he was going for a 'on a scale of 1 to 10" type rating for the 2015 not dollar amount
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on May 07, 2013, 08:01:25 AM
I see what your getting at... More $= better ride, but I disagree. SDC can usually get great deals because they are the first to purchase a new technology, yes it's cheaper initially, but very expensive in the long run.(just look at Buzzsaw, Powderkeg, and what looks to be Outlaw if it keeps being stubborn.) that being said, Wildfire was their biggest capital investment, but it is not a unique ride. SDC paid for the reliability, and the proven, quality woorkman ship of B&M. I would hate for SDC to spend $45 million on something like Kinda Ka because it is not Family friendly, and, in my opinion, It's not fun. I would much rather see another $10-12 million first of its kind attraction that will continue to bring families closer together.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 07, 2013, 10:32:55 AM
Totally agree. A hefty price tag does not guarantee a great ride experience. And to your point, HFEC and SDC have been masters at getting a lot of bang for the buck with their bigger attractions.

Swoosh, I'm just looking for your scale of 1 to 10 opinion in terms of the anticipated scope of the 2015 project. I tried assigning values to SDC's existing coasters to give us all some clearer perspective.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 07, 2013, 10:59:14 AM
Could have the nitwits gone to Europa to check out Mack's coaster they are putting in for 2014. Think it is an inverted spinner. It would be similar to what they did with Wild Eagle. First in Europa then first in North America. The one at Europa will have indoor/outdoor segments.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 08, 2013, 10:03:21 AM
Okay, so I have no way of knowing if this is true but a few whispers I keep hearing are that SDC is going back back to B&M (people who built Wildfire) to give us B&M's first fourth dimension coaster. For those who don't know what that is it's just like Wild Eagle at Dollywood except the seats flip a full 360 degrees. Again I don't have any way of proving this it's just a couple whispers I've heard. We shall know soon enough I suppose.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 08, 2013, 06:47:49 PM
^It would have to be America's first as there is one set to open in Asia already in 2015.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on May 08, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Swoosh, what about that clarification on the 1 to 10 assessment?  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 08, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
Now you know that I cannot tell you that.  You're basically asking me to tell you the type and/or manufacturer for the ride.
Just sit back and hold on as the ride hasn't even left the station yet.


Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on May 09, 2013, 05:57:53 AM
A 4D does not seem right to me. It's a huge coaster that would be very difficult to theme. The thing would stand out like a sore thumb and tear the landscape up. With every project in the past being hidden in the trees and complimenting the terrain I cannot see SDC installing one of these. Yes DW built wild eagle, but it has nothing to do with Dollywood. Do we really want a random bird flying through the city? Lest think about the park with our answers, not our "coaster" organ!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 09, 2013, 06:13:17 AM
A 4D does not seem right to me. It's a huge coaster that would be very difficult to theme. The thing would stand out like a sore thumb and tear the landscape up. With every project in the past being hidden in the trees and complimenting the terrain I cannot see SDC installing one of these. Yes DW built wild eagle, but it has nothing to do with Dollywood. Do we really want a random bird flying through the city? Lest think about the park with our answers, not our "coaster" organ!
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Didn't give me warm fuzzies either, how bout something that doesn't involve going upside down, There's two coasters that have that covered. What have been the reception of S&S's and Intimin's 4D coasters been.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on May 09, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
Did anyone see Dolly Parton on the news this morning promoting her new attraction?  It looked like a water coaster water ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 09, 2013, 12:45:30 PM
Did anyone see Dolly Parton on the news this morning promoting her new attraction?  It looked like a water coaster water ride?
yeah, that's the big new thing at Dollywood's waterpark. Hopefully that's what lands at Whitewater next season. I'd just soon they started over with a waterpark closer to the city and a better surrounding environment.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
I don't remember who posted it above, but would your REALLY say no to a Wild Eagle clone?  I mean seriously?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on May 10, 2013, 04:38:46 PM
That was me... And yes, I would say no
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2013, 04:52:33 PM
Sure you would.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on May 10, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
I would give a Wild Eagle clone a resounding HELL YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 10, 2013, 08:05:42 PM
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As I mentioned in my earlier post, while Outlaw Run can be considered a major attraction, the investment for it's construction ($10 million) wasn't much above that of River Blast ($7 million).
That's something to ponder. I think if you look at the Running of the bulls at opening you will see how well spent the OR funds were when juxtaposing this attraction against the RB.  I have never been on RB and I have never seen a line for it.  On the busiest days I have never noted a line.   Interesting how close to the same amount of money used differently can have a real impact on the park.
I would be ok with a 4th dimension coaster.  But not a clone, or a copy. Or at the expense of anything currently in the park.
Coasters are fun but seeing SDC become Six Flags isn't something I enjoy.  Theming with the coasters is limited.  I think WF has used theming the best out of all the coasters at SDC.  How about the Ice House idea?  this could include dark ride elements that's something we all enjoy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 10, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
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As I mentioned in my earlier post, while Outlaw Run can be considered a major attraction, the investment for it's construction ($10 million) wasn't much above that of River Blast ($7 million).
That's something to ponder. I think if you look at the Running of the bulls at opening you will see how well spent the OR funds were when juxtaposing this attraction against the RB.  I have never been on RB and I have never seen a line for it.  On the busiest days I have never noted a line.   Interesting how close to the same amount of money used differently can have a real impact on the park.
I would be ok with a 4th dimension coaster.  But not a clone, or a copy. Or at the expense of anything currently in the park.
Coasters are fun but seeing SDC become Six Flags isn't something I enjoy.  Theming with the coasters is limited.  I think WF has used theming the best out of all the coasters at SDC.  How about the Ice House idea?  this could include dark ride elements that's something we all enjoy.


Plumbing and excavation ain't cheap. River Blast was a fine addition, on a somewhat slow day when there's just enough folks to keep folks in the boats and the stationary cannons not too crowded and you can spend lots of time there getting drenched. It they had ever really considered  that ride concept we posted from whitewater, it would have been very neat to see it mixed in with River Blast to make it  a four way battle between boat to boat, stationary cannons and flyin' contraption.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2013, 08:50:01 PM
The budget for River Blast also included a lot of demo work, excavation and as mentioned above, plumbing.  The filled a void that was needed at the park and I feel they did an amazing job with that project.

This next project (2015) will fill another "void," so to speak, and it is about time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 10, 2013, 08:54:52 PM
I'm not in the know as far as what would be a major attraction, but could we be looking at a Mystery Mine type of a ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 10, 2013, 09:03:58 PM
I do know the Mystery Mine ride at Dollywood cost 17.5 million in 2007 I think it was...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 10, 2013, 09:14:26 PM
The budget for River Blast also included a lot of demo work, excavation and as mentioned above, plumbing.  The filled a void that was needed at the park and I feel they did an amazing job with that project.

This next project (2015) will fill another "void," so to speak, and it is about time.

Demo is very expensive, the City of Fayetteville is tearing down an old Tyson plant in South Fayetteville and even with the amount of scrap metal they are pulling out of there it is near a million dollars.
(http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/salemap.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 10, 2013, 09:24:57 PM
I do know the Mystery Mine ride at Dollywood cost 17.5 million in 2007 I think it was...

It's weird about that. Given how Dollywood and SDC/former Celebration City seems to get paired on attractions. Seems SDC is still due a Gerstlauer

here's the list
GCI Ozcat/Thunderhead
S&S Giant Swings
Mack river battles
County Fair/Grand Expo flat ride areas


Now, Gerstlauer is about to open it's latest Eurofigter at Alton Towers and it's a 14 inversion twisted piece of steel with indoor/outdoor segments

Testing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlYuU-ACDiQ

(http://i34.tinypic.com/fuct91.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 10, 2013, 09:49:57 PM
I don't think we'll ever see a Mystery Mine ride at SDC.  Apparently the PTB are not overly satisfied with how it is aged.  It is rather rough in several places.  I honestly think if it went to a lapbar only it would be more comfortable, but that's just me.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 10, 2013, 11:16:40 PM
I look forward to hearing more about 2015.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 11, 2013, 12:03:53 AM
I don't think we'll ever see a Mystery Mine ride at SDC.  Apparently the PTB are not overly satisfied with how it is aged.  It is rather rough in several places.  I honestly think if it went to a lapbar only it would be more comfortable, but that's just me.



I think that one has the shoulder restrains but some of the smaller ones have gone lap bar only even with inversions. It's the way to go if you can.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: StaceySue on May 12, 2013, 12:44:16 PM
Quote
As I mentioned in my earlier post, while Outlaw Run can be considered a major attraction, the investment for it's construction ($10 million) wasn't much above that of River Blast ($7 million).
That's something to ponder. I think if you look at the Running of the bulls at opening you will see how well spent the OR funds were when juxtaposing this attraction against the RB.  I have never been on RB and I have never seen a line for it.  On the busiest days I have never noted a line.   Interesting how close to the same amount of money used differently can have a real impact on the park.
I would be ok with a 4th dimension coaster.  But not a clone, or a copy. Or at the expense of anything currently in the park.
Coasters are fun but seeing SDC become Six Flags isn't something I enjoy.  Theming with the coasters is limited.  I think WF has used theming the best out of all the coasters at SDC.  How about the Ice House idea?  this could include dark ride elements that's something we all enjoy.


Plumbing and excavation ain't cheap. River Blast was a fine addition, on a somewhat slow day when there's just enough folks to keep folks in the boats and the stationary cannons not too crowded and you can spend lots of time there getting drenched. It they had ever really considered  that ride concept we posted from whitewater, it would have been very neat to see it mixed in with River Blast to make it  a four way battle between boat to boat, stationary cannons and flyin' contraption.

It's not fun to get shot in the face with water with no way to escape.  That is why few people ride RB.  I've only ridden it once.  I should've worn goggles.  The ride should at least be enjoyable.

I would love to see a fun, interesting dark ride sort of thing, but none of that virtual simulator crap.  I don't want to ride "a floating raft" while moving around in my seat that never goes anywhere.  My toddler has ridden FITH a few times now.  I wish there were some more options like this; it doesn't have to be a coaster.  Don't get me wrong.  I love the big coasters as much as anyone, and I will certainly enjoy whatever headliner goes in. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 12, 2013, 12:50:20 PM
Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 12, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue?

Sounds like wedding bells ringing at the Wilderness Church!  :D  The last time 2 rides were married were the water ride/dry coaster of Buzz Saw Falls.  I really liked it but it was not a marriage made in Heaven...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pintrader on May 12, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
River Blast has so few riders because it is geared for around the 8 to 12 year old range.  Adults mostly do not want to get wet.  Teenagers don't find it to be very much of a thrill and young riders don't want to be shot in the face, get wet or are too cold.  It fills a small void but leaves a lot of voids open.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 12, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
Stacey, thats a good point..  I would ride RB, If I knew i had the option NOT to get soaked.... 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 12, 2013, 08:07:25 PM
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River Blast has so few riders because it is geared for around the 8 to 12 year old range.  Adults mostly do not want to get wet.  Teenagers don't find it to be very much of a thrill and young riders don't want to be shot in the face, get wet or are too cold.  It fills a small void but leaves a lot of voids open.

Well put.  I agree 100%  They exclude many more than they invite for a rather high dollar well themed experience.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 12, 2013, 11:29:30 PM
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River Blast has so few riders because it is geared for around the 8 to 12 year old range.  Adults mostly do not want to get wet.  Teenagers don't find it to be very much of a thrill and young riders don't want to be shot in the face, get wet or are too cold.  It fills a small void but leaves a lot of voids open.

Well put.  I agree 100%  They exclude many more than they invite for a rather high dollar well themed experience.


The problem with the statement is that it is inaccurate.  River Blast has no problem getting and keeping a long line during the summer months - as is the same with the other two water rides.  IF you were to apply the same logic that you are using on judging River Blast's lines to the other water rides - one would conclude that ALL water rides are not popular at SDC.

It has been chilly thus far and the lines for all 3 water rides have been non existent.  There will be lines come June - July - August
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pintrader on May 13, 2013, 08:19:26 AM
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River Blast has so few riders because it is geared for around the 8 to 12 year old range.  Adults mostly do not want to get wet.  Teenagers don't find it to be very much of a thrill and young riders don't want to be shot in the face, get wet or are too cold.  It fills a small void but leaves a lot of voids open.

Well put.  I agree 100%  They exclude many more than they invite for a rather high dollar well themed experience.


The problem with the statement is that it is inaccurate.  River Blast has no problem getting and keeping a long line during the summer months - as is the same with the other two water rides.  IF you were to apply the same logic that you are using on judging River Blast's lines to the other water rides - one would conclude that ALL water rides are not popular at SDC.

It has been chilly thus far and the lines for all 3 water rides have been non existent.  There will be lines come June - July - August

I think it is a very accurate statement.  I have been there many times in the summer months with no line at River Blast and at the same time American Plunge and Lost River packed.  Fact is it doesn't even have to be a real hot day for lines to form at AP and LR.  I am not saying it is never full at RB just that I have never seen it on numerous occasions.  The logic is that there is a thrill factor involved that brings people to the other 2 that is not found in RB.  They have different ride experiences and it's just not all about getting wet.  Your right there will be lines when the temp rises on all the water rides just not at RB.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 13, 2013, 08:35:48 AM
Unless you are actually queuing for RB, you will not actually see the line.
The PPH for it is also higher for RB
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on May 13, 2013, 10:43:27 AM
Unless you are actually queuing for RB, you will not actually see the line.
The PPH for it is also higher for RB

That's true.  When I was there last summer, it didn't look crowded at all until we hit the queing station.  It was close to l/2 hr. before we got on.  The only reason we got on in the first place, was because the line looked short. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 13, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
RB is very popular with my kids in the summer. It's popular for most everyone I know here locally that goes. See, There's this stuff called quick dry clothing, it's a God send for wet rides. Bass pro has lots of it as well as Cabela's and most box sporting good retailers. I don't get the and like I said it would have been neat if there was enough room for more forms of battle that could tied into it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: emmabugsmama on May 14, 2013, 04:28:05 AM
Utilization of the old Wilderness Waterboggan area I'll bet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on May 14, 2013, 09:28:01 AM
Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue?
Something Old= Balloon Ride???
Something New= New Shop &/or area???
Something Borrowed= borrowed from Celebration City???
Something Blue= Wildeagle is blue...

Hmmm..idk, these are just my guesses, I'm sure I'm way off
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: StaceySue on May 14, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
I don't mind getting soaked.  Just don't shoot me in the face.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 14, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
I don't mind getting soaked.  Just don't shoot me in the face.

Shoot them in the face back and they'll likely stop or lose their accuracy.

Anyway, here's Cedar Point's new B&M wing coaster. that's three in States now. Unless it's the 4d version where the seats rotate I don't think they'll be anything special enough to warrant that capital expense without anything unique to capture the public interest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEq7e60tV4g
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on May 14, 2013, 07:22:04 PM
Just reading this thread gets me excited! I can pretty much confirm the 2015 attraction will be located on the former waterboggin site. I remember last fall I saw a few guys couple of them in suits walking the site and taking photos! So I'm pretty excited about what's coming! Swoosh who's your contact? Do we know the same person?   ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 14, 2013, 10:39:16 PM
Swoosh who's your contact? Do we know the same person?   ;)

I have several, so it is possible that you know at least one of them
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: GeyserGulch33 on May 15, 2013, 09:46:45 PM
Anyone who says RB was unnecessary has never waited in line for LR on a hot day pre-2010. The line for LR used to be as much as 2 hours long before RB came around... now it's usually more like 30 minutes in similar weather.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 16, 2013, 04:02:57 PM
It is very obvious that the people who made the comments were not basing those comments on fact, but their mere personal opinions on the ride.  Which is fine, IF they do not word said comments as being "Fact"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 16, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
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IF you were to apply the same logic that you are using on judging River Blast's lines to the other water rides - one would conclude that ALL water rides are not popular at SDC.

I would think that is an unfair judgment to make.  I do have the luxury of living close and going on slow days with low attendance.  I feel on these days you see what rides have the most demand.  No doubt RB has many fans but you will see many empty boats traveling along the trough on light attendance days.  I have never seen a line that parallels the larger coasters  even though the cost of RB was 70% of the latest coaster.  Its interesting what return and response SDC gets for the money.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Copper on May 16, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
RB capacity is amazing- you would need to see the numbers to make an accurate assessment.  Also, RB doesn't remove boats so they are always at maximize capacity; you must take several factors in consideration.  I think it meets a need- parents with small kids can ride a water ride together, it's another water ride with great theme and it's an interactive ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2013, 09:34:51 PM
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IF you were to apply the same logic that you are using on judging River Blast's lines to the other water rides - one would conclude that ALL water rides are not popular at SDC.

I would think that is an unfair judgment to make.  I do have the luxury of living close and going on slow days with low attendance.  I feel on these days you see what rides have the most demand.  No doubt RB has many fans but you will see many empty boats traveling along the trough on light attendance days.  I have never seen a line that parallels the larger coasters  even though the cost of RB was 70% of the latest coaster.  Its interesting what return and response SDC gets for the money.

It was a nice addition that adds variety. Seems that's what the park going after, a much broader appeal to make it a regional park powerhouse. Which has me thinking, would SDC consider a water hydro magnetic water coaster like the one just opened at spash country at the waterboggin site. The ones I've seen really uses about the same as the old waterboggin did. And what does that bode for Dolly's existing waterboggin ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on May 16, 2013, 10:03:28 PM
RB capacity is amazing- you would need to see the numbers to make an accurate assessment.  Also, RB doesn't remove boats so they are always at maximize capacity; you must take several factors in consideration.  I think it meets a need- parents with small kids can ride a water ride together, it's another water ride with great theme and it's an interactive ride.

Yeah, isn't it like 8ppl per boat, with 8 boats on the channel? So that's some amazing capacity that would definitely keep the lines looking short.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 16, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
It is more like a people mover style/IASW ride -- quite the people eater
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on May 17, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
My family loves RB. There have been times when we've had a lengthy wait and times when we haven't. Needless to say, my 4 boys plus my wife and I, father-in-law, mother-in-law, brother-in-law and his wife and 2 boys love the water battles we have when we visit SDC and RB...it fills  nice void that the taking out Splash Harbor left...we all also love the waterboggin's also and really miss it...and what fun we have on LR...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on May 20, 2013, 12:21:37 AM
Im going to go back to subject here.  I originally guessed the 2015 "new" ride would be a "terror tower" of sorts.

OK I still guess this will be the ride, but with a twist maybe.  A series of rides "stacked". Like the tower ride will be in the center. Maybe an observation deck on top. Possibly a roller coaster and/or a water boggin/flume type ride circling around the outside.

Of course the 2015 project might not be at SDC at all. It might be a brand new "hydro-magnetic" powered water coaster at White Water.  Or a tornado at WW.
Now I have 3 guesses. Is this legal?

Either of my 3 guesses would be great rides
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
The 2015 ride will be at SDC
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 20, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
Im going to go back to subject here.  I originally guessed the 2015 "new" ride would be a "terror tower" of sorts.

OK I still guess this will be the ride, but with a twist maybe.  A series of rides "stacked". Like the tower ride will be in the center. Maybe an observation deck on top. Possibly a roller coaster and/or a water boggin/flume type ride circling around the outside.

Of course the 2015 project might not be at SDC at all. It might be a brand new "hydro-magnetic" powered water coaster at White Water.  Or a tornado at WW.
Now I have 3 guesses. Is this legal?

Either of my 3 guesses would be great rides

Don't think you'll see that S&S contraction here.

Whitewater needs a whole host of stuff.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2013, 05:26:04 PM
Im going to go back to subject here.  I originally guessed the 2015 "new" ride would be a "terror tower" of sorts.

OK I still guess this will be the ride, but with a twist maybe.  A series of rides "stacked". Like the tower ride will be in the center. Maybe an observation deck on top. Possibly a roller coaster and/or a water boggin/flume type ride circling around the outside.

Of course the 2015 project might not be at SDC at all. It might be a brand new "hydro-magnetic" powered water coaster at White Water.  Or a tornado at WW.
Now I have 3 guesses. Is this legal?

Either of my 3 guesses would be great rides

WWB is supposed to get something in 2014, so you might not be too far off -- just the year
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on May 20, 2013, 08:18:38 PM
Swoosh, when do you think the WW project could be announced?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 20, 2013, 11:19:41 PM
Probably not until season pass renewals start, if even then
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hannabelle on May 22, 2013, 07:26:21 AM
I have a lot of trust in the HFEC and I believe they will not let us down on the 2015 project. But in the mean time let's enjoy the other rides and Outlaw Run is still very new with a whole lot of excitement still left.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 22, 2013, 11:46:46 PM
^Speaking of Outlaw Run - it rubs me the wrong way the inconsistency of forcing lockers on riders.  Either do it all the time or forget it and install "cubbies" on the platform.  I rode it 5 times today and two of those times Ashley (a guy) forced us to use the lockers.  Later on in the day he did not (and I wasn't the only one not using the lockers) and then towards 5pm there was a lady out front and she didn't care.  So either go all the way on enforcing or forget -- it is getting to the ridiculous stage.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hannabelle on May 23, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
The lockers actually were put in to cut down on the wait time. We found out they cut down the wait time by 20% and are great for busy days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 23, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
The lockers actually were put in to cut down on the wait time. We found out they cut down the wait time by 20% and are great for busy days.

Bet this would be even better

(http://scottpeople.com/images/1314417473bullwhip.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 23, 2013, 10:01:19 PM
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The lockers actually were put in to cut down on the wait time. We found out they cut down the wait time by 20% and are great for busy days.
They are a great way to squeeze another dollar out of our wallets!  Its a tough " $ " day at SDC now with Skillet Meals costing 8.99 and soft drinks costing what they would in the normal world ONLY if you pony up $20.00 for 2 refillable mugs. It feels like they have got you coming and going.  I don't feel they are delivering something tangible and unique that you don't mind separating with your money for here.    They need to concentrate on making us happy to separate with our money for what they are offering, right now it just feels like a money grab.   Times are tough for the Midwest middle class and I think this leaves a bad taste in some folks mouths that can hardly afford to go to the park and eat let alone rent a locker to put there stuff in so they can ride a ride.
This needs some reconsideration and rethinking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
The lockers actually were put in to cut down on the wait time. We found out they cut down the wait time by 20% and are great for busy days.

Which is fine, but be consistent. That's all I ask.
Shoot, if it shaves off that much, think how much time a test seat would shave off.  Those Walks Of Shame really slow things down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 24, 2013, 08:27:22 AM
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Those Walks Of Shame really slow things down
Along with being terribly embarrassing for everyone involved.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 25, 2013, 07:19:50 PM
the other inverted woodies are open

Here's the redone Hades at Mt. Olympus with Gravity Groups Timberliners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2KmjufJPc

heres the Iron Rattler that RMC redid using it's other I box track like Texas Giant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNG32im6vJE
Water effects and cave make me want to get to San Antonio very soon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on May 25, 2013, 10:23:30 PM
I was really surprised that SDC did not put in the free, timed lockers like Universal Orlando has. I had recently visited Universal and found it to be very convenient.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 26, 2013, 09:24:29 AM
the other inverted woodies are open

Here's the redone Hades at Mt. Olympus with Gravity Groups Timberliners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2KmjufJPc

heres the Iron Rattler that RMC redid using it's other I box track like Texas Giant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNG32im6vJE
Water effects and cave make me want to get to San Antonio very soon.

The only other inverting woodie is Hades360.  iRat is steel on wood and thus is not a wood coaster.
If you want to ride Hades360, go do it thus year as Mt.O will not take care of it and will be back rough again. Terrible engineering (Gravity Group) and poor maintenance is never a good combo.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on May 26, 2013, 03:36:48 PM
I was really surprised that SDC did not put in the free, timed lockers like Universal Orlando has. I had recently visited Universal and found it to be very convenient.

Ooo, I like that! I looked it up and it sounds great!

http://www.orlandoinformer.com/universal/rental-and-ride-lockers/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 27, 2013, 11:27:54 PM
It seems like a number of people expect SDC to get a Wing Rider for the next coaster, but it doesn't seem like the direction SDC would want to keep heading. Then again, I said the same thing about OR, but now that they have OR, aren't they expected to focus more on other areas of their clientele interest pool? Perhaps they are in an arms race for coasters to build themselves up against SFSTL and WOF. It does seem like they have changed the overall product so much now that their draw now depends largely on their coasters. I guess basketweaving and kid's playhouses just don't get as many news articles written about them.

... but that's the same old conversation we keep having. Getting back to my point, I expect them to build a family coaster next. Intamin, Zierer, and Mack all build some great family coasters that appeal to wide audiences, and we know HFEC just started a relationship with Mack. Dollywood is rumored to get a Mack coaster for 2014. If they do, then it's probably a sure thing that we'll get one next. Actually, no matter what DW gets in 2014, we'll probably get it next.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 28, 2013, 12:08:11 AM
I'd say they will more than likely go back to the "old and reliable" for the next big addition... but what do I know, right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on May 28, 2013, 12:14:47 AM
You really think we are getting a new coaster?  Geez, I was thinking we was getting something a little more high tech than a winged or hyper coaster. I was thinking of something brand new and unheard of -- like -- maybe a "ride a kid on horseback around a circle" or maybe even a "listen to a 2 minute speech from a talking car"   ;D.

Just kiddin yall.  I already gave my guess. Having watched a program from IIAPA (I think it was). They gave a pretty good insight as to what the newest technologies are. But I do agree, a "family" ride will be much more desired (by me) than a silly winged racer. I know "hyper" is a big crowd drawer, but along with bigger, comes more problematic, and bigger insurance premiums. Not to mention a big part of SDC crowd base is at the age (like me) where a hyper coaster is a bit much.  (a couple hundred feet high and 70-80 MPH is still good. --- 300+ feet and 100+ MPH on 2 thin rails just spells disaster in my book).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 28, 2013, 07:10:11 AM
It seems like a number of people expect SDC to get a Wing Rider for the next coaster, but it doesn't seem like the direction SDC would want to keep heading. Then again, I said the same thing about OR, but now that they have OR, aren't they expected to focus more on other areas of their clientele interest pool? Perhaps they are in an arms race for coasters to build themselves up against SFSTL and WOF. It does seem like they have changed the overall product so much now that their draw now depends largely on their coasters. I guess basketweaving and kid's playhouses just don't get as many news articles written about them.

... but that's the same old conversation we keep having. Getting back to my point, I expect them to build a family coaster next. Intamin, Zierer, and Mack all build some great family coasters that appeal to wide audiences, and we know HFEC just started a relationship with Mack. Dollywood is rumored to get a Mack coaster for 2014. If they do, then it's probably a sure thing that we'll get one next. Actually, no matter what DW gets in 2014, we'll probably get it next.  ::)

I think it's an evolution of becoming a well rounded park where whole families can come and by families, I mean kids, parents and grandparents. Rides have always been SDCs weakness.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 28, 2013, 08:01:02 AM
There is still plenty for the older generations to do.  When I was at the park for Bluegrass and BBQ, I barely did any of the shows -- but the older people did.  There were long lines for several of the performances.  Sorry, I come for the BBQ.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 02, 2013, 09:11:23 PM
OK, maybe I'm slow to pick up on the chatter here, but Duelist said he spoke with an employee at the park who spilled the beans and said "the new coaster" in 2015 will go where the waterboggin once was. Anyone have anything more, now? Swoosh? Copper? Hannabelle? Come on...please...pretty please! ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on June 02, 2013, 09:41:47 PM
Yes Junior. I caught that also.  The "2015 COASTER" is exactly what Duelist said.  Of course the first year I worked at SFSL. From the very first testings all the way to the end of the season, we employees was told by all the MGMT team that the only new addition to the park (for the following season) would be new cars (trains) for the aging coaster "THE NINJA"  Literally we was told to push the idea of new cars for Ninja to the guests to make the ride smoother, safer. Sell new cars for Ninja.

You can imagine just how flippin surprised we all were when INDEED the addition was NOT new car trains, but instead "THE SKYSCREAMER".

Im not saying SDC is doing that, they never have before. I certainly hope the new 2015 COASTER is correct. We need to make use of the old waterboggan area.

All I know is Im gettin excited already.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 03, 2013, 08:01:57 AM
I also heard of a non-coaster ride to occupy another location from the same employee but I better follow Swoosh's advice and keep that one to myself until someone like Mr. Herschend hints about it.  But my point being that a new coaster and another attraction are supposedly in the works.  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 03, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
FWIW.  The park operates on a 5 year plan that is constantly evolving depending on the needs of the park.  So it would not be out of the question for "large capital expenditures" to already be in the works.  With that being said, speculation by employees is not a new thing and considering how long the Waterboggan lot has remained empty (not to mention the abrupt departure of the ride) it is not hard to see why employees would speculate something would be going there soon.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.  The speculation, I'm sure, will only get more interesting in the coming months
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 03, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Well, it's a given that at any time there is something in the works- if not concrete then something that is being considered anyway.  Just curious, I did not get the latest attractions survey.  If anyone here did would you tell us what attractions they were considering?  I haven't seen one since the May '11 survey.  Thanks
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 03, 2013, 04:11:16 PM
I was kinda hoping that the 2015 project would have been SDC's first honest effort at mixing rides together and interacting within the theme. Kinda like a Gerstlauer bobsled coaster that mixed it up with American Plunge like crossing above the channel and even maybe have the track run close to the splash zone where when the timing is right, give the coaster riders the excitement of feeling the mist or a few drops of water hitting them from a log plunging down into the splash pool. I see these types of projects springing up in Europe a bunch and it shows how to get you full use of space  Here's one of the latest that envolve two types of rides that SDC has, well the disk'o has a hill here:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/9lcvpi.jpg)

This park hasn't put in the theming yet but it's the basic idea
(http://airtimers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Rittersturz-2.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 03, 2013, 05:30:27 PM
OK.. here is my "hope" for the new "coaster ;)".... I dont remember names, But you all know what i am talking about..  I have been hoping that it would be designed after the design that the kid on the tv show Undercover Boss..  You know the one that Mamby was talking to, and he had a coaster design on his laptop.. Part of the ride went under water.  how cool would that be, down and around GG, through/under lake silver and then back..   Yea i know.. Probably not feasable....  BUT what if it could be done.!?!?!?!?!?!?

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 03, 2013, 05:53:46 PM
The cave is right under Lake Silver, so don't expect to see anything major in that area, ever.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 03, 2013, 07:22:19 PM
OK.. here is my "hope" for the new "coaster ;)".... I dont remember names, But you all know what i am talking about..  I have been hoping that it would be designed after the design that the kid on the tv show Undercover Boss..  You know the one that Mamby was talking to, and he had a coaster design on his laptop.. Part of the ride went under water.  how cool would that be, down and around GG, through/under lake silver and then back..   Yea i know.. Probably not feasable....  BUT what if it could be done.!?!?!?!?!?!?



B&M makes a coaster that has been mixed with water interaction and one that would seemingly fit the footprint of the waterboggan site. A Dive Machine. They are two in the US at each Busch Garden

Examples
(http://cache.rcdb.com/bsf20o9000g3q6mattu3du.jpg)

(http://cache.rcdb.com/2nm0l8qpbnnoh1dh3h4002.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sprtbuf on June 04, 2013, 09:20:48 AM
Has a map been posted with possible locations of the new rides marked out?  I've been to SDC a few times but having the visual aids would be beneficial, ala the drawings of the OR that users posted in relation to its track placement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 04, 2013, 12:56:41 PM
^^B&M has stated that they can add a water splash to any of their coasters (except inverted and prone).
They have one on the hypercoaster at Kings Island called Diamondhead too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 05, 2013, 02:53:39 AM

Examples
(http://cache.rcdb.com/bsf20o9000g3q6mattu3du.jpg)


It's not really funny, but I had to laugh anyway... that one looks like the fast train to Dachau.

Anyone who's been there and seen the fence will understand.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Kriddels on June 05, 2013, 02:42:46 PM
I think we will see something to replace the american plunge and fill the spot behind the waterfall. That looks like the most likely spot to me. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 05, 2013, 04:36:23 PM
I don't see AP going anywhere, it's a popular attraction. Besides EVERY theme park has to have flume ride, right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on June 05, 2013, 05:00:13 PM
I don't see AP going anywhere, it's a popular attraction. Besides EVERY theme park has to have flume ride, right?

Let's hope so, Junior. I love that flume. I wish they would just spruce it up and bring it back to it's original glory.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 05, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
Agreed junior, i dont see anything ha[ppening there unless they were to modify/improve/repair the AP.

The waterboggan area seems to be the logical choice..

BUT as Swoosh would say................... we will see! ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 05, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
Agreed junior, i dont see anything ha[ppening there unless they were to modify/improve/repair the AP.

The waterboggan area seems to be the logical choice..

BUT as Swoosh would say................... we will see! ???

Like I said, I'd like to see them put in a coaster like a Gerstlauer bobsled coasters that interacted with American Plunge. The cars could cross overhead the channel a coulple of times and basically use the same footprint. Something needs done with cave.

Then there's this thing  just sitting there:
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/304_204.jpg)

I just don't see having two similar rides will ever happen, if it got moved to SDC, American Plunge may be a goner.
I view a raft ride like Lost River and a flume must have staples of a proper theme park. Knotts Berry just revamped theirs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on June 05, 2013, 06:33:01 PM
I still like my idea in this thread.

http://sdcfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=2258.0

AP and the FM have been allowed to go downhill in my opinion and this could pull on there past glory and refresh them at the same time. We rode the FM last trip and I could not wait for it to end. I know my idea has 0 % chance of being done , but I do hope they take a good look at how they maintain and keep attractions in top notch world class condition. But, that's another thread entirely.
I sure hope though they do not do some off the shelf cookie cutter coaster. Keep it unique.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2013, 06:47:21 PM
I think we will see something to replace the american plunge and fill the spot behind the waterfall. That looks like the most likely spot to me. 

American Plunge is not going anywhere anytime soon -- and neither is the waterfall.  I'll squash that rumor right out of the gate.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 05, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
I think something will happen to AM within the decade just due to the nature of it's liability, age, and deteriorated status. Hopefully this will involve a nice rebuild with an Intamin ride system and the return of the awesome effects and thematics.

As for 2015 though, I'd say the rumors all point to a coaster at this point, and I still think we need to be watching DW more closely. Construction on DW's 2014 project is well underway, and they have come out saying that it will be the top family attraction in the park with a price tag that will match some of their biggest investments. It could very well end up being a combination Mack coaster/dark ride using the 'bobsled' style system, or something similar that combines elements of a coaster with thematic experience.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
I'd be willing to bet that whatever DW does add will influence an addition on down the road a bit. 
The 2015 addition has been set in stone for awhile and all signs are pointing to "old and reliable"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 06, 2013, 05:26:43 AM
The 2015 addition has been set in stone for awhile and all signs are pointing to "old and reliable"

Vekoma.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2013, 08:53:57 AM
I said "reliable"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 06, 2013, 09:03:28 AM
B & M..........Add expensive to that Swoosh.

But worth it
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 06, 2013, 09:27:24 AM
I said "reliable"

Your definition of "Old and reliable" is a bit misleading then. Perhaps I took it too literally.

I believe Vekoma has more rides (including older ones) currently operating than B&M. Not to mention B&M hasn't even been around for 25 years.

That said, if given the choice between the two for the 2015 project, I would take B&M all day long.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 06, 2013, 09:32:10 AM
I wonder what the likelihood of this being a inverted coaster is. Honestly it's something they don't have. Although we do already have two in the state so I sort of doubt it. However I dream of a B&M hyper coaster! Airtime through the hills baby! :-P
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2013, 09:42:41 AM
I wonder what the likelihood of this being a inverted coaster is. Honestly it's something they don't have. Although we do already have two in the state so I sort of doubt it. However I dream of a B&M hyper coaster! Airtime through the hills baby! :-P

Mack has a n inverted spinner under construction at Europe but it isn't old.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 06, 2013, 11:04:28 AM
Really excited to see how this project plays out. Just love the idea of HFEC aggressively piggybacking the momentum established by the OR project with the potential addition of another major coaster. With SFSTL now running with its "Missouri's coaster capital" tag, looks like HFEC/SDC is taking notice and looking to position themselves as a legitimate contender in the thrill ride arena.

Assuming it is in fact another coaster, what intrigues me about the 2015 project is its possible location in the park. If it's to land in an around the old WB site as most of us have speculated, there isn't a great deal of space or terrain to be utilized for the ride. That could definitely have an impact on the type and scope of the design.

Kind of ironic that as I was just typing this, I decided to go to Google maps to see where else another coaster could potentially be placed, and realized the SDC overhead view now shows OR within the park. pretty cool to see it from above now. It also confirms that despite the liberal amount of land SDC actually owns, there is very little room for another major coaster addition, barring some intensive expansion/groundwork. This view makes the old WB site look even more primed for a new coaster project, which would be fantastic for park flow in my opinion. Something I think they've desperately needed for some time now.

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/Screenshot2013-06-06at104122AM_zpsb7841184.png)



 

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 06, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
Nice catch backintime,  Google must have changed the map recently..!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 06, 2013, 11:47:24 AM
After looking at close up of SDC, pic must have been taken after mid march (becasue the park is open and BUSY)

But before worldfest. (no banners, booths that I can see)

Love the zoom capability..
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 06, 2013, 04:03:17 PM
When was the last time you were in SDC and found Wildfire to be down because of something other than inclement weather?
Id say that B & M would hit reliable square on the head " . "
And it still rides smooth after several years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2013, 04:27:31 PM
After looking at close up of SDC, pic must have been taken after mid march (becasue the park is open and BUSY)

But before worldfest. (no banners, booths that I can see)

Love the zoom capability..

The image taken date is down on bottom, it's mid April

They are going to have to get going on relocating the physical plant and build up a hefty berm between the park and 76 and let it get to growing (Pines Please) That will open up lots of space and another ravine for a large terrain coaster one day. I would like Manby's personal phone # to plead to build a very much in theme railroad turntable and round house for the train service area. Talk about a working late 1800s addition to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 06, 2013, 04:35:38 PM
An in theme turn table for the train? They need to theme behind the multi-purpose building (blue metal building) you see on Thunderation, plus the back of FITH, the Opera House, and a few other locations on the edge of the park that are viewable from rides/train. I'm still a stickler for that stuff, but likely my ongoing minor gripes about it won't be listened to. But  you are right, that turn table should be in theme, and I hope they get to moving or theming physical plant locations so expansion can continue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 06, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
Chittlins, you have better eyes that I do ;D ;D ;D

it is mid April because when i looked at tornado damage in branson, it matched with my pics i took on my April 13th trip..
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 06, 2013, 06:34:25 PM
Looking at that aereal view, I couldn't help but notice that the space between the Riverfront Playhouse and Riverblast would be perfect for a shot/drop tower somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2013, 10:21:26 PM
An in theme turn table for the train? They need to theme behind the multi-purpose building (blue metal building) you see on Thunderation, plus the back of FITH, the Opera House, and a few other locations on the edge of the park that are viewable from rides/train. I'm still a stickler for that stuff, but likely my ongoing minor gripes about it won't be listened to. But  you are right, that turn table should be in theme, and I hope they get to moving or theming physical plant locations so expansion can continue.

That's why I'm hung up on this. It's the perfect way to keep all the train maintenance right where it is and blend in with the city. Two ways to do this

This
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzkmoSuk-d7P8iOzWpqfeeW3pEs_kumB7s_UMWijzomQH_dELq)

or this

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_69eUcYOc_QI/TJeTWtRLuTI/AAAAAAAAOaE/1msSDg7yJLU/B%26O%20roundhouse_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800)

Just do a google image search for "railroad turntables and roundhouses"

And if it's good enough for Disney..............
(http://static.attractionsmagazine.com/wp-uploads/2012/03/train.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
And I know how many hate the name Vekoma but if it's one thing they have made many of and are still selling with folks saying they are better than they ever have been, it's the inverted or suspended coaster and here's a newer junior version with interaction with water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ_kU7IesSQ
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 06, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
There is a reason that there are not many coasters with water features left.  You introduce another element to the mix (H2O) and you are asking for trouble.  Ever wonder why WOF is having so much problems with their Thunderhawk HUSS Topspin?  Water.  It was not designed for the beating the water elements gave the ride. 

There has been talks about moving the round house.  I don't know how serious they are / the time table it is on IF it does indeed get moved.  I think the big chore right now is moving the BOH buildings to open up more land.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 06, 2013, 11:49:33 PM
There is a reason that there are not many coasters with water features left.  You introduce another element to the mix (H2O) and you are asking for trouble.  Ever wonder why WOF is having so much problems with their Thunderhawk HUSS Topspin?  Water.  It was not designed for the beating the water elements gave the ride. 

There has been talks about moving the round house.  I don't know how serious they are / the time table it is on IF it does indeed get moved.  I think the big chore right now is moving the BOH buildings to open up more land.


Sdc doesn't have a roundhouse, just metal sheds for the train maintenance. going to a roundhouse feature would condense the area that all takes up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 07, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
In the conventional sense, yes they do not have a "round" round house, but that is what they call their "round house" even though it is not "round"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 07, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
In the conventional sense, yes they do not have a "round" round house, but that is what they call their "round house" even though it is not "round"

If a collection of  square metal buildings equals a roundhouse, I want what they are smoking ;D

Anywho, it doesn't have to get wet and that's where I'm sure the problems come from, Too bad this is a Vekoma, I can sure envision little Lake Sliver action with a ride like this
(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_dsc_7847.jpg)
(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_dsc_7708.jpg)
(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_dsc_7830.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 07, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
You need to check out Krake
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 08, 2013, 03:48:45 PM
You need to check out Kracke

Is that how Missourians speil crack ;D

I've seen Kraken, I just want a family coater sans the extreme elements
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 08, 2013, 07:21:37 PM
Yeah, keep your day job.
And wrong coaster.... not Kraken

Krake at Heide Park
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 10, 2013, 09:17:16 AM
Okay, so Swoosh has confirmed the 2015 project will be a B&M dive coaster into Lake Silver.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 10, 2013, 11:46:22 AM
Um... no
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 10, 2013, 01:42:52 PM
C'mon, dude.  :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Thunderation on June 11, 2013, 09:06:16 AM
So it's not a B&M dive coaster then.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 11, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if the park did invest in a B&M in 2015, what are the chances they are investing enough to get a decently sized ride? With this project being on the heels of a $10 million dollar blockbuster that will only then be starting to lose its 'newness', are they willing to shell out $17-20 million more to get a B&M of appreciable size? $10 million on a B&M barely gets you a tiny dive coaster these days. I'm hoping they finally build something with some length to it with this project, which is one of the reasons I wouldn't be sorry to see them go to a different vendor for this go-round.

I feel like there have been a lot of persistent rumors over the years that shouldn't be dismissed regarding the park coming very close to signing a deal for a G-fighter. Like we've discussed, it would fit the waterboggin site well, and the old tower could be used for theming or as a lift structure.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 11, 2013, 11:38:56 PM
Yes, but the PTB are not happy with the way that Mystery Mine has aged, which is one of the main reasons we have not seen one at SDC.  I think we'll see a clone of what DW will get next year as the next next project, BUT what is coming in 2015 is set in stone and will be a nice addition to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 12, 2013, 02:07:22 AM
Why don't they take the shot tower from CC, put in some nicely themed smaller rides like a "mad mouse" and a "brain rattler" like they had at Dogpatch, and maybe another small ride or two, and have four or five "new" rides in that area. Some nice landscaping and you have got some reasonably priced attractions that would require only a few new employees to operate, with a good impact among guests? Or do we have to see more and more big coasters come in every two or three years?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on June 12, 2013, 03:54:45 AM
Really attracting the crowds these days could cost very little, (in terms of a water dive B&M anyway).  Build 2 huge buildings (almost stadium size). Bring in a very good show in one building. (A show like anything on the strip with maybe a bunch more comedy) and show it (or several bands maybe) multiple times daily.  Now Mom, Dad, Granny, & Gramps are happy.

Now in the other large building, fill it full of XBOX 360 games. Link them so the kids can come in and battle each other for free. Now everybody is happy!!!

Ok Im just kidding obviously-----Or am I?  HMMMM----Im not sure I know. What do you all think?  Well  what does that matter?  Maybe if I ever figure out if this was a joke or not, I might let you know.

You can always count on me to put a different and unusual twist on everything Huh? Or can you?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 12, 2013, 09:11:07 AM
Unfortunately it's the nature of the business Junior. They have to build and expand. Honestly they have averaged 4 or 5 years between roller coasters. Thunderation 1993 Buzz Saw Falls 1999 Wildfire 2001  PowderKeg 2005 Outlaw Run in 2013!  The fact is you expand or die! They add and have WAY more family attractions than thrill rides but fact is the big rides bring in people and money and in the end it's a business.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on June 13, 2013, 10:14:49 AM
I just hope that Silver Dollar City never loses the charm in favor of big rides. The reason I love Silver Dollar City is because of it's beauty and the fun I can have with my family. In fact the last time my family went, we spent all day just for the rides, and still didn't get all of them in.....we remarked that one of these times, we are just going to come one day and not ride anything (just see the shows, visit the shops, take the cave tour). There is so much to do at the park already so I wouldn't mind them taking a few years just to really fix up what they already have.

It would be nice to have American Plunge, Flooded Mine and Fire in the Hole made back into the signature rides they once were. Just imagine top notch quality dark ride sections for those rides combined with what already makes them great. Thunderation is a great mine coaster, just finish it off with the covered last drop to keep you in theme and from seeing the backstage areas of the park. Just little stuff like this would keep me happy.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm not completely excited about a new B&M taking out a bunch of trees (like what was done on Wildfire). I'm sure whatever is done will be great, and that I'll have fun. Swoosh seems excited, so maybe I shouldn't be so pessimistic, but I just want the park to always stay true to its roots.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 13, 2013, 12:32:44 PM
Good words and thoughts Cowboy!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 13, 2013, 12:40:04 PM
I'm with you, cowboy. Rides are fun, but secondary to why I love the city. Put me in a time machine for SDC 1982, and I'd be perfectly happy. In many ways, I'd actually like it better.

I don't mind the rides (I can't wait to ride OR!) but I worry about the character and theming that's been lost; I fear a gradual drift towards an "amusement park with theming", rather than a theme park with amusements.

I know the younger folks are just as enthusiastic about "their" SDC that they grew up with. I just wish everyone could experience the city in "Miss Mary's time".
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 13, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
When visiting with a park employee earlier this year he confessed each year there is more corporate policy slipping into the park, and each year there is less of what we call "SDC." Character and charm may eventually be lost to bottom line thinking. Will the park still be a fun place to visit? Probably. Will it be like we remember from our youth? No. Go to YouTube, copy the old home movies of SDC from the 60s and 70s and early to mid 80s and watch them when you are feeling nostalgic. The future looks like newer and bigger rollercoasters to me. Remember kiddos, I'm a dinosaur, old school. I liked the old days at SDC. I wish they could keep all the charm of years past while implementing a new ride every few years. However, today's generation with no experience with the stuff I'm talking about go to SDC and think everything is great as it is. They are the ones that will visit the park after old school like me will be eating oatmeal at the old folks home!  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on June 13, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
Not everyone wants the "new" SDC, Junior.  My children, ages 20's - 30's, prefer it the way it was 10-15 years ago.  I think those that are old enough to remember its charm from years back will remember the "good old days" as much as we do, and mourn for its passing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 13, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
Let me preface my comments by stating that I fall into the unique category of a 50/50 enthusiast. While I welcome and advocate the addition of major coasters, I also appreciate the park's continued attention to detail, and would also love to see those efforts put forth with improvements to some SDC staples (e.g., TNT, FITH, FM & AP).

It's already been touched on numerous times in various threads, but the unfortunate truth is SDC simply cannot remain profitable without engaging itself in the ongoing large, thrill-ride race. They are competing for tourism dollars against other major amusement parks that already have an edge based on demographics, brand awareness and geography (proximity to major metro areas).

I firmly believe SDC will always have the charm others in the industry cannot come close to matching, but if you want to see the park carry on, it's going to require the continued addition of new major attractions.

I think you also have to consider that while SDC owns a considerably larger parcel of land than the park's current footprint consumes, there isn't a terribly obvious and convenient place for major park expansion. SDC's major coasters already skirt it's western perimeter, so I think any fear of pulling into SDC's main lot 20 years from now and seeing nothing but towering hyper coasters framing the horizon is unwarranted and unrealistic in my view.

In short, a whole lot would need to happen, before that ever happens at SDC.

  

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 13, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
Let me preface my comments by stating that I fall into the unique category of a 50/50 enthusiast. While I welcome and advocate the addition of major coasters, I also appreciate the park's continued attention to detail, and would also love to see those efforts put forth with improvements to some SDC staples (e.g., TNT, FITH, FM & AP).

It's already been touched on numerous times in various threads, but the unfortunate truth is SDC simply cannot remain profitable without engaging itself in the ongoing large, thrill-ride race. They are competing for tourism dollars against other major amusement parks that already have an edge based on demographics, brand awareness and geography (proximity to major metro areas).

I firmly believe SDC will always have the charm others in the industry cannot come close to matching, but if you want to see the park carry on, it's going to require the continued addition of new major attractions.

I think you also have to consider that while SDC owns a considerably larger parcel of land than the park's current footprint consumes, there isn't a terribly obvious and convenient place for major park expansion. SDC's major coasters already skirt it's western perimeter, so I think any fear of pulling into SDC's main lot 20 years from now and seeing nothing but towering hyper coasters framing the horizon is unwarranted and unrealistic in my view.

In short, a whole lot would need to happen, before that ever happens at SDC.

  



They'll be a time where they have to redevelop existing areas. You see this with European parks and something I've mentioned where separate rides share the same footprint. There's no reason a coaster and a drop tower couldn't. You aren't going to wow folks with a drop tower but it's a need. The wow will go to Busch Gardens Tampa with that 300 plus ft. one they announced where the seats tilt 90 degrees at the top bringing you face down before the drop.

I'll be tickled pink with a solid family coaster without inversions. I've mentioned Gerstlauer bobsleds but Mack or anyone else is welcome. I'd be happy with a GCI more along the lines of Thunderhead and Ozcat. They will have to eventually relocate the back area, I've stared at that on Google maps for a long time and a single building would consolidate most all those buildings under one roof sans the railroad stuff and y'all know my thoughts on that. That would free up another ravine for a coaster.

I would like a spinner, I get the WOF and SixFlags has bit. I'm looking forward to Mack's suspended Spinner, That kills two birds with one stone on things SDC doesn't have. I like that wooden boomerang concept of GCI's. Another thing that could conform with the terrain of SDC. I'd like a few extreme flat rides. Zamperla's Air race comes to mind as well as Gerstlauer's Sky Fly where you control whether it inverts or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3aXcRKIII
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 13, 2013, 05:49:44 PM
I think a lot of you are being very unfair to the park.

This year alone, the park not only added a new roller coaster and area, but completely redid the Tom Sawyer Landing area.  Replaced a sit-down restaurant with one that has a better flow.  Added 2 new counter services.  Added new restrooms.  Make a better flowing sludge (pan for gold) area. 

They didn't "just add a thrill ride" - they really added to the infrastructure of the park. 
What makes you think this will not happen when they completely redo the next section of the park.

The 2015 (to me at least) is a rather dead section of the park and this new thrill ride (along with other things that will go in) is going to really breath life into that area.  Yes, it is going to be "another thrill ride" - but that is a whole lot easier to market than "come see our new bathrooms" (as Walt Disney World found out).

I think you'll like what is coming, even if you don't like major thrill rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 13, 2013, 08:37:41 PM
Swoosh, i think your right about that....  EXCEPT for the new bathrooms, when was the pizza joint mentioned? or the other mods made this winter.. 

The PTB did a great job this year, everything is themed 99.9% accurate, and really helped the park.

hopefully 14 will bring mods,upgrades needed around the park as we have discussed, then of course 2015 with the NEW thrill coaster and everything will accompany it..///((  Swoosh said it first) LOL!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 13, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Swoosh, i think your right about that....  EXCEPT for the new bathrooms, when was the pizza joint mentioned? or the other mods made this winter.. 

The PTB did a great job this year, everything is themed 99.9% accurate, and really helped the park.

hopefully 14 will bring mods,upgrades needed around the park as we have discussed, then of course 2015 with the NEW thrill coaster ride and everything will accompany it..///((  Swoosh said it first) LOL!!

Fixed that for you
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on June 13, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
So it's not going to be a coaster? I'd love a highly themed shot tower.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on June 14, 2013, 08:09:39 AM
Swoosh!!!   

LOL!!!   

Thanks! 

Sorry for the "misquote"..... ;D ;D ;D

We sure would not want anyone to be mislead!!!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 14, 2013, 08:30:51 AM
I'm pretty sure Pete Herschend is on record stating it will be a coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 14, 2013, 08:33:54 AM
No he said "major new thrill ride for 2015 that would excite ACE members"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sprtbuf on June 14, 2013, 08:48:53 AM
Is there any chance this new thrill ride is in the same vein as the New Transformers ride at Universal, or the Spiderman ride at Islands?  That would be thrilling without it being a coaster and the footprint would be relatively contained so as to not disrupt the landscape much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 14, 2013, 09:06:58 AM
Ok you are right.  Guess I read between the lines considering he was telling coaster enthuists to get excited.  Also "old and reliable" screams B & M to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on June 14, 2013, 09:44:40 AM
"Old and reliable" an S&S drop tower?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 14, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
I think a lot of you are being very unfair to the park.

I believe you're taking some comments out of context. I don't recall anyone speaking negatively with respect to the recent improvements/investments. Personally, I was speaking more to the idea of the park being pretty limited in terms of open spaces for future expansion (outside of the expanse of land they own surrounding it's existing perimeter.

I have no doubt HFEC and SDC will continue to make good decisions regarding park improvements in the coming seasons.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: oldsdcer on June 14, 2013, 07:38:06 PM
The City is still considered the ugly stepsister to Dollywood as far a promotion is concerned. Everyone knews where DW is but can't tell you where SDC or Branson for that matter is thur out the country.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 14, 2013, 07:40:46 PM
Regarding the discussions about the lasting integrity of SDC's character, we have this discussion multiple times in every new project thread and the inevitable conclusion is this: the park is going to keep changing, no matter what. We can certainly voice our opinions and help the PMB keep the park enjoyable to as many people as possible, but there's a thin line between constructive criticism and whining that sometimes gives enthusiasts a bad rep, especially SDC enthusiasts.

I always worry that the park will someday be little more than a well-themed Six Flags, but every year the park impresses me with well thought-out additions and attention paid to the details. Surely a lot of this comes from their listening to and understanding what their guests want. I think they've been able to maintain a lot of their character over the past decade while substantially re-orienting their product, and we should all be thankful for that. Like others have mentioned, it's a different market and customer base out there today, and SDC still has some catching up to do in some areas such as major rides.


But back to the actual project discussions, the third-hand accounts I've listened to seemed to be pretty positive that Pete was implying that another coaster was coming, but of course these third-hand accounts after all and who really knows what Pete was trying to imply. The only thing we really know for sure is that there's something to look forward to again already.

If not a coaster of some sort, my immediate bet would be on a frisbee-style ride from Zamperla. SDC seemed to be looking into the concept for their 2007 project but chose TGS instead. At that time they were still doing business with HUSS, who invented the frissbee style ride and was once the go-to company for large, top-of-the-line flat rides. Zamperla has been a major supplier of theirs this decade, and they make a pretty good frissbee style ride themselves now.

The drop tower concept has popped up at least twice though, so that's something they've been obviously considering for a long time...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 14, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
This is the next Drop Tower to come to a major park

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uKOsogphs
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on June 15, 2013, 01:02:36 AM

[/quote]
"old and reliable" screams B & M to me.


"Old and reliable" an S&S drop tower?


Geez. I always though "OLD & RELIABLE" was my uncles old (black on black 4 door 1957 Chevy Belair)  I mean it still runs. No I mean I actually drove it myself this very day. Yes I really did. It is a land barge, all original no PS no PB 2 speed power glide auto trans. Dad & I had to put a new brake cylinder on it today and I was the "UN"lucky duck who got to test drive afterwards.

Here I go again, adding a humorous twist to ever subject.
Give me a break all. My vacation started today, so Im kinda happy
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on June 15, 2013, 09:49:49 AM
If Swoosh is telling the truth about "old and reliable" then we are definitely getting a B&M.  There is no other ride manufactuer more reliable than B&M.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on June 15, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
Well and throughout the Enthusiast Community as well as the Theme Park Industry B&M is known as the MOST reliable ride manufacturer. Seems reliable but who knows! Either way I trust SDC to make a wise choice. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on June 15, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
If we have to have some type of drop tower ride in the future, I sure hope it is something in line of Tower Of Terror with a good storyline and suspense and not just a big pole with seats hanging on it. Can you tell that I hate drop tower rides. ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 15, 2013, 10:33:24 PM
Drop Tower rides are rather faux passé anymore.  For what it is worth.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 16, 2013, 10:02:51 AM
Quote
Drop Tower rides are rather faux passé anymore.  For what it is worth.

Amen Swoosh, and frankly not worth a long wait.  I would not care if they brought over the drop tower from CC theme it nicely and put it in the Grand Exposition  .  My prediction would be many would be disappointed in the thrill it provides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: KBCraig on June 16, 2013, 10:23:01 AM
I have no complaints about the new additions. My concerns about theme are minor details that have a major impact on feel, like computer printed signs instead of hand painting.

When they add modern touches like QR codes for mobile apps and the Facebook page, I wish there was more creativity. Doc Harris is the park's mad scientist and futurist, so such touches should be themed in his style.

I will always lament the loss of live craftsmen and the living history nature of the park, but I know times have changed. They just can't get (or afford) such people today. Back 30-40 years ago, there were many locals who had those skills, and welcomed any job that paid cash. Today, demonstrating craftsmen are specialists who command a high wage.

More Foxire, less Firefox.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 18, 2013, 12:21:58 PM
According to my contact, no coaster project on the books for 2015 as of now.  >:(
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 18, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
Interesting. I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on June 18, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
I had the same reaction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on June 19, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Well, I guess there is no chance it will be a simulator attraction like a return of the diving bell? No, I didn't think so.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on June 19, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Well, I guess there is no chance it will be a simulator attraction like a return of the diving bell? No, I didn't think so.

Now that would be almost too much to hope for!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on July 03, 2013, 10:41:17 AM
The crickets are deafening... ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 03, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
If they ever did another simulator ride I would hope they would consider bringing back the diving bell.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 03, 2013, 01:08:21 PM
Underground railroad? Really, That's not in the 1880s theme. More like 1860s

http://www.faircitynews.com/2013/02/05/silver-dollar-city-plans-underground-railroad-themed-ride/ (http://www.faircitynews.com/2013/02/05/silver-dollar-city-plans-underground-railroad-themed-ride/)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on July 03, 2013, 02:03:29 PM
HAHAHAHA! I've read that article before, in the print version of that paper. I love Fair City News. It's like The Onion for Springfield.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 03, 2013, 02:32:09 PM
HAHAHAHA! I've read that article before, in the print version of that paper. I love Fair City News. It's like The Onion for Springfield. (http://HAHAHAHA! I've read that article before, in the print version of that paper. I love Fair City News. It's like The Onion for Springfield.)

Guess I've been had then  :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on July 03, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
Fake...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 04, 2013, 07:29:41 AM
That article is hilarious.  Can you imagine the uproar if SDC even proposed an idea like this, especially with the Paula Dean fallout? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 04, 2013, 03:47:30 PM
Slavery is pretty much a hands-off topic, I'm thinking. But even if it wasn't the time period is way off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 04, 2013, 05:23:34 PM
You know when the park was started 1860 was only about 100 years in the past, so it could have been in-theme at one point. Weird to think about.

As for 2015 developments in general, don't expect to hear many concrete details until next summer. As we've discussed before, big projects often tend to be delayed or have their development schedules moved around. It doesn't appear that the park is getting huge crowds this summer, even with OR having made national headlines all over the place. That factor alone could spell a delay so that the park can recoup more of it's capital expenditures on OR before starting the next project.

Might as well focus on what the park could bring out for 2014 for now, not to mention the likely major addition to WW.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 04, 2013, 05:30:22 PM
You know when the park was started 1860 was only about 100 years in the past, so it could have been in-theme at one point. Weird to think about.

As for 2015 developments in general, don't expect to hear many concrete details until next summer. As we've discussed before, big projects often tend to be delayed or have their development schedules moved around. It doesn't appear that the park is getting huge crowds this summer, even with OR having made national headlines all over the place. That factor alone could spell a delay so that the park can recoup more of it's capital expenditures on OR before starting the next project.

Might as well focus on what the park could bring out for 2014 for now, not to mention the likely major addition to WW.

poor weekend weather, Bet it ticks up if temps stay normal. I know several guys at work have taken their families over the past two weeks, they actually bragged about low crowds and are going back
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: golfprowj on July 08, 2013, 11:19:12 PM
New to the group, actually joined a year ago but have been lazy on reading up. I really enjoyed the discussions when the or was being built.  My question isnt to important but I was curious who swoosh is? Do you work for SDC ?  Either way, just wanted to say I enjoy your guys input
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 10, 2013, 09:53:34 PM
Gerstlauer continues it's EuroFigter evolution, they have inversions galore at Alton Towers, very small footprints like Iron Shark at Galveston, and now they have included a launch into the mix. Notice the Steampunkesque styling of the trains but the theming isn't in place yet..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBeOrmSYu_c
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on July 10, 2013, 11:47:32 PM
Okay. I split the attendance-related posts into a new topic in the general forum. I hope I did everything right; it's my first time doing something other than dealing with spam.

On topic: Chittlins, that new EuroFighter looks awesome! It'd be cool to have something similar to Mystery Mine, but slightly different, so that it's more unique in the chain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 20, 2013, 05:42:11 PM
It appears that HFE managed Darien Lake is doing a survey on a woodie that seems like another all RMC creation(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb_screenshot_2013-07-19-08-07-02_1.png).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: qwed94 on July 20, 2013, 10:05:04 PM
golfprowj, welcome------Swoosh is not an SDC employee perse. He writes (I think or maybe an editor) for a semi-popular publication in the area. I think it is called " Midwest Info Guide"  I have never met (personally) Swoosh. However he does post several pics on this forum. Pics of parks he has visited (which have been several). He has a vast knowledge of theme/amusement parks, rides, ride manufacturers, and has several insiders that keep him updated.  He by himself is a wealth of knowledge in the amusement industry, and from his posts, I would guess a very nice guy also.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wood Warrior on July 21, 2013, 07:55:53 PM
I know a fellow coaster enthusiast that has talked to the park president, who confirmed to him that the ride will be built by Bolliger & Mabillard and will be the most expensive ride to date for the park.

I really think this is a wing coaster. Or, Bolliger & Mabillard has been working on a 4D coaster, which is a wing coaster that has spinning seats.

Also, an inverted coaster would be a nice addition to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 21, 2013, 09:29:56 PM
Am I the only one that wants a dark ride?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 21, 2013, 09:41:36 PM
I know a fellow coaster enthusiast that has talked to the park president, who confirmed to him that the ride will be built by Bolliger & Mabillard and will be the most expensive ride to date for the park.

I really think this is a wing coaster. Or, Bolliger & Mabillard has been working on a 4D coaster, which is a wing coaster that has spinning seats.

Also, an inverted coaster would be a nice addition to the park.

Seems logical.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 21, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
Am I the only one that wants a dark ride?

I would love a family rollercoaster, much like the Dragon at Legoland added to the park.  I think it would be well received.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 21, 2013, 10:16:52 PM
Yeah I would love a good family coaster. I think the next addition needs to be family-oriented.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 21, 2013, 10:21:57 PM
Yeah I would love a good family coaster. I think the next addition needs to be family-oriented.

the new restraints on vekoma's suspended coasters seem to get rave reviews from those that are usually harsh critics of Vekoma. I've linked a recent one that opened in Europe in this thread some pages ago.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 21, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
They really do not do much for me, but I'm just one person.
Now the restraints on the new junior Vekoma inverts are awesome.  Steel Lasso has these over at Frontier City.

What I am talking about is basically an elongated Rollerskate like what is at Legoland.  It has a dark ride section before going outside and getting crazy
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 21, 2013, 11:09:30 PM
They really do not do much for me, but I'm just one person.
Now the restraints on the new junior Vekoma inverts are awesome.  Steel Lasso has these over at Frontier City.

What I am talking about is basically an elongated Rollerskate like what is at Legoland.  It has a dark ride section before going outside and getting crazy

We all seem to agree a great, no upside down coaster would be great. I can't help but think of the wooden shuttle concept from GCI they showed at the big show and how something like that could use the terrain at SDC to it's advantage. Seems it would fit the area of the old waterboggan just right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg4YsOxZiAM
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 21, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Well we can all get it out of our heads that it is going to be any of this -- because it is not.
It's not "logical" at this moment of the game.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 21, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
So it is going to be a Big thrill ride? I don't have any problems with that since I love thrill rides. I don't know I guess I just want them to add another ride that's not too "carnivalish" for kids and families to do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 22, 2013, 12:25:20 AM
I know a fellow coaster enthusiast that has talked to the park president, who confirmed to him that the ride will be built by Bolliger & Mabillard and will be the most expensive ride to date for the park.

I really think this is a wing coaster. Or, Bolliger & Mabillard has been working on a 4D coaster, which is a wing coaster that has spinning seats.

Also, an inverted coaster would be a nice addition to the park.

Pardon me while I roll my eyes. Within the enthusiast community, there's always someone saying they overheard something from someone official sounding about a big new ride. Don't get me wrong, I get a little excited about these rumors too, but I just don't see Brad Thomas coming out and spilling the beans about their next big project two years in advance. Someone is spreading tall tales.

I prefer to keep the rumor mill to just mild speculation. I could certainly see the park get another major investment soon, and I'm sure it will probably be a coaster, but it's not worth anyone's time at this point to go too deep with any rumors at this point. Like I've mentioned before, we've watched a number of rumored and even announced projects be pushed back or changed dramatically before they were finally built. I feel like there's so much turbulence with Branson tourism right now that we might have to wait a bit longer for the next major project, and who knows what it will have turned into by then.

And yes, most of us here would prefer a new dark ride/shop/craft/etc. but as we've discussed the kids only see the forest for the trees and I'm sure there's still a lot of pressure to increase the coaster count.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozark Outlaw on July 22, 2013, 10:42:17 AM
Silver Dollar City already has four major roller coasters, an in door roller coaster, and another youth size roller coaster. That's a total of six coasters! As much as I would like to see another major roller coaster before 2020, I would prefer to see more smaller scale attractions, or better yet a continued refurbish on existing rides. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BobKrause on July 22, 2013, 10:55:37 AM
Am I the only one that wants a dark ride?

No. Personally, while I enjoy coasters, I think parks are putting too much emphasis on coasters these days and I'd like to see more variety in rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 22, 2013, 04:53:40 PM
^They're easier to market.  Just saying
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 22, 2013, 05:18:15 PM
You'd think flats would have to be packaged into a bigger marketing ploy, like a new area. River Blast fell between flat ride and coaster. A couple of the flats out there like Zamperla's air race and gerstlauer one that's new at MoA would be cool.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on July 22, 2013, 05:41:52 PM
I'm with Swoosh on this one. A family coaster is what is needed. I'm not a big fan of Vekoma but I have to admit that they have the best collection of customizable family/junior coasters. I would hate to see a cookie cutter coaster. If I could choose one from their list, I would pick their family suspended coaster... Ice House anyone?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 22, 2013, 06:06:47 PM
I'll repost the lastest Vekoma customized junior suspended coaster pov, I love the water interaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ_kU7IesSQ
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 22, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
Chittlins, what is why your school girl crush on Vekoma?   

Hollywood, I don't want a kiddie coaster.  I want a B&M, because I know it'll actually be running most of the time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 22, 2013, 09:25:10 PM
Chittlins, what is why your school girl crush on Vekoma?   

Hollywood, I don't want a kiddie coaster.  I want a B&M, because I know it'll actually be running most of the time.

And yet they are everywhere and usually running when I'm there. It's not like it's S&S. The suspended coasters of theirs would be a  family crowd pleaser although not much flash and a people eater. I'd love a Mack bobsled just the same or anyone's suspended coaster where most kids not have to decide on going upside down or not. I'd rather see a radical, free spin spinner that has indoor and outdoor elements. Tilt a Whirl on rails.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pintrader on July 22, 2013, 09:36:41 PM

And yet they are everywhere and usually running when I'm there. It's not like it's S&S. The suspended coasters of theirs would be a  family crowd pleaser although not much flash and a people eater. I'd love a Mack bobsled just the same or anyone's suspended coaster where most kids not have to decide on going upside down or not. I'd rather see a radical, free spin spinner that has indoor and outdoor elements. Tilt a Whirl on rails.

Tilt a whirl on rails.......sounds like there would be a lot of Outlaw Run Pizza alongside the track.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 22, 2013, 11:44:58 PM
Chittlins, what is why your school girl crush on Vekoma?   

Hollywood, I don't want a kiddie coaster.  I want a B&M, because I know it'll actually be running most of the time.

And yet they are everywhere and usually running when I'm there. It's not like it's S&S. The suspended coasters of theirs would be a  family crowd pleaser although not much flash and a people eater. I'd love a Mack bobsled just the same or anyone's suspended coaster where most kids not have to decide on going upside down or not. I'd rather see a radical, free spin spinner that has indoor and outdoor elements. Tilt a Whirl on rails.

I guess the reason I don't want a Vekoma is because in my opinion they are inferior rides.  They age like milk and have issues understanding that a gap between the upstop wheels and the track is a bad thing.

Considering that both Vekoma and myself are Dutch, I'd show some hometown pride, but I cannot stand their rides.  I've ridden most of their American installations and not only are they rough but most are extremely forgettable.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: ttroyer210 on July 23, 2013, 12:52:23 AM
Vekoma makes Disney's coasters don't they? I know they are working on the new Seven Dwarves Mine Train.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 23, 2013, 03:15:10 AM
I have no idea why any person who has ever ridden a vekoma coaster would ever want one at SDC.  I have ridden several and quite frankly hate them all.  B&M is a FAR superior coaster builder.  I think Chillins works for Vekoma's marketing department.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on July 23, 2013, 01:53:30 PM
I have to laugh whenever I see all this chatter about rides, their qualities, their shortcomings, and the manufacturers. Back in my days on the park, no one ever thought about this stuff. Most of the rides were made by the SDC work crews, although they might have outside companies supply parts or technical knowledge. I remember when the American Plunge was being built, the SDC crew took a boat down to Six Flags in Texas to run it through their flume channels, testing it to see how it performed. Many of you are very knowledgeable about this stuff, and I just scratch my head and think to myself "what are they talking about?" I encourage you to talk it all out here. As for me, I will just go to the park when something new is announced, and see it for myself. I do have to admit, all this stuff, the big rides, that they have purchased over the years does seem to break down a lot. I do not remember us old "citizens" having trouble with stuff like that back in the old days. All the rides were very low tech, even the diving bell, when compared to todays rides. Ha! I'm an old goat! Ha!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: KBCraig on July 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
^They're easier to market.  Just saying

No doubt. With coasters, it's easy to describe them in quantifiable ways: "Fastest", "Longest", "Highest", "Steepest", "First Ever Feature X", etc.

With dark rides, promotion starts with "This is great, but it would take too long to explain why, so just trust us."
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 23, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
Vekoma makes Disney's coasters don't they? I know they are working on the new Seven Dwarves Mine Train.

Yes, unfortunately Disney doesn't understand quality at times.  Rock'n'rollercoaster for example has become very rough, which is a shame because it *was* a fun ride.  There are also quite a few Arrow built coasters in the Disney line up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 23, 2013, 09:24:43 PM
Vekoma makes OK coasters these days. It wouldn't fry my brain to see SDC get one, especially if it's a junior invert. The only thing that would bother me is if they made it cookie-cutter and just plopped it in somewhere.

I don't know exactly what I want to see SDC get right now, but I just hope it turns out to be unique and quality. I've still got good feelings about the management team and planning people though, they've stayed pretty true to the park for the challenges they face.

The only thing that keeps coming to mind for me is a heavily themed indoor/outdoor intamin/mack/zierer family coaster with a drop track. Something like Verbolten or even better: Polar X-plorer (http://rcdb.com/10214.htm?p=37279). I just love the idea of having a coaster swoop in and out of a huge mineshaft/mountain/whatever.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on July 24, 2013, 01:33:57 AM
I liked the idea that someone had a while back to do the ice-house theme using a spinner coaster (I don't know the proper terminology for it... whatever it is that Worlds of Fun has in the Asia area).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 24, 2013, 08:08:41 AM
I liked the idea that someone had a while back to do the ice-house theme using a spinner coaster (I don't know the proper terminology for it... whatever it is that Worlds of Fun has in the Asia area).

That would be an awesome version of the old Icehouse ride proposal. Slipping and sliding and spinning wildly on ice. Joy look up Tornado spinning coaster on YouTube for somewhat of an ideal of how to pull this off.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 24, 2013, 08:16:59 AM
Vekoma makes OK coasters these days. It wouldn't fry my brain to see SDC get one, especially if it's a junior invert. The only thing that would bother me is if they made it cookie-cutter and just plopped it in somewhere.

I don't know exactly what I want to see SDC get right now, but I just hope it turns out to be unique and quality. I've still got good feelings about the management team and planning people though, they've stayed pretty true to the park foir the challenges they face.

The only thing that keeps coming to mind for me is a heavily themed indoor/outdoor intamin/mack/zierer family coaster with a drop track. Something like Verbolten or even better: Polar X-plorer (http://rcdb.com/10214.htm?p=37279). I just love the idea of having a coaster swoop in and out of a huge mineshaft/mountain/whatever.

I've committed blasphemy on this site by suggesting to remake FITH with a drop element at the burning bridge and launch into the finale in the dark alongside with new animatronics and special effects while keeping true to the story line.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 24, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
Quote
I've committed blasphemy on this site by suggesting to remake FITH with a drop element at the burning bridge and launch into the finale in the dark alongside with new animatronics and special effects while keeping true to the story line.

It's ok, I suggested removing the treehouse or rebuilding it. I don't really want to see it go, but I think the park should get rid of things that cannot be used anymore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 24, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
I too think a spinning coaster would be a great family addition to the park. I would just like something with a little more thrill (length) than the ones that are currently on the market. Of the current manufactures, I like Gerstlauer cars better because you sit across from each other.

As stated earlier, I'd really like for SDC to update what they have (FM, AP and FITH really could use some TLC). Put in a little extra effort and make these rides signature rides. But I also know it's hard to market that to people....so we probably will never see that happen.

But what I'm hearing from other sites too is that it's a B&M coaster headed our way....which would be fine....just make it a great ride and leave as many trees as possible. I'm sure the theme will be great as always.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 24, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
As stated earlier, I'd really like for SDC to update what they have (FM, AP and FITH really could use some TLC). Put in a little extra effort and make these rides signature rides. But I also know it's hard to market that to people....so we probably will never see that happen.

We still have 2014 that needs something.  I do know that PTB have been watching how well KBF's remake of the log flume has gone over with the public.  Just saying.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 24, 2013, 05:41:34 PM
As stated earlier, I'd really like for SDC to update what they have (FM, AP and FITH really could use some TLC). Put in a little extra effort and make these rides signature rides. But I also know it's hard to market that to people....so we probably will never see that happen.

We still have 2014 that needs something.  I do know that PTB have been watching how well KBF's remake of the log flume has gone over with the public.  Just saying.

White Water needs some major love.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 24, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
As stated earlier, I'd really like for SDC to update what they have (FM, AP and FITH really could use some TLC). Put in a little extra effort and make these rides signature rides. But I also know it's hard to market that to people....so we probably will never see that happen.

We still have 2014 that needs something.  I do know that PTB have been watching how well KBF's remake of the log flume has gone over with the public.  Just saying.

White Water needs some major love.

It needs a Oceans of Fun style makeover - where EVERYTHING is redone and upgraded/painted/etc
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 24, 2013, 11:52:10 PM
I'll start a thread for 2014 to keep the discussions orderly, but for SDC I think we shouldn't expect much. The focus is certainly on 2015 or potentially 2016 if numbers don't improve quick.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 25, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
A custom wildmouse/bobsled by Gerstlauer, looks like fun and would fit in the area between AP and PK and the Waterfall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoljQOr2UFM
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 25, 2013, 06:59:33 PM
nice video..  love those rough looking support poles at the beginning, the series of 180's look great!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 25, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
Gerstlauer -- oh you mean the company that designed the trains for NTG and the Smiler that just happened to have its track buck a bolt and then two track segments seperated?  Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 25, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Gerstlauer -- oh you mean the company that designed the trains for NTG and the Smiler that just happened to have its track buck a bolt and then two track segments seperated?  Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Wow, it must be that time of the month. Someone could use some bandcamp.

From the looks of it the lady was way top heavy and had no arse and the attendant didn't make sure the bar wasn't  against her theighs. It seems it's going to fall on six flags head. I'd ride it tommorrow and as someone who works with metal every single day, bolts break. I have to catch hairline fractures in turned cast iron parts for the oil fields all the time. Without using x ray,  its impossible to catch them all. I've seen plenty of stainless snap out of the blue. It was likey a void or silica in the bar stock they used to turn the parts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 25, 2013, 09:31:24 PM
Gerstlauer -- oh you mean the company that designed the trains for NTG and the Smiler that just happened to have its track buck a bolt and then two track segments seperated?  Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Wow, it must be that time of the month. Someone could use some bandcamp.

From the looks of it the lady was way top heavy and had no arse and the attendant didn't make sure the bar wasn't  against her theighs. It seems it's going to fall on six flags head. I'd ride it tommorrow and as someone who works with metal every single day, bolts break. I have to catch hairline fractures in turned cast iron parts for the oil fields all the time. Without using x ray,  its impossible to catch them all. I've seen plenty of stainless snap out of the blue. It was likey a void or silica in the bar stock they used to turn the parts.

LOL.  You obviously don't know much about Smiler.  They had to really torque that section of the track into place -- as in the fact that the engineers really fook'd up this thing and the track did not fit together from the start.  So like I said, Gerstlauer, really?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on February 20, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
Well, its almost time for us to start spying survey markers and such around lakefront.

I find Swoosh's Gerstlauer trashing funny considering Firechaser Express at DW.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on February 21, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
Well, its almost time for us to start spying survey markers and such around lakefront.

I find Swoosh's Gerstlauer trashing funny considering Firechaser Express at DW.

Eurofighters and Family coasters are two different things.  Thanks for trolling
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: crash on March 14, 2014, 07:35:16 AM
Spoiler alert: Be on the look out behind Geyser Gulch. Lots of activity going on recently.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 14, 2014, 07:53:27 AM
That's on my list for this weekend.... to check out that area! ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 14, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Thanks to  Willzillaross  for the new photos of the old waterboggin area (see the 2014 thread, I've been moving some things around).

Looks like they'll be doing a little prep work this season for the refurbishments to the area next year. Hopefully that new carnival game will leave with it. Which theme do you think they've gone with? I'm kind of betting it won't be any of the concepts that were pitched, but rather something more blended. I've got a feeling the fire theme will be incorporated somehow...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on March 14, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Hey... Smok em if you got em. That thing has been sitting at CC for 7 years.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 14, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
^^The carnival game belongs in a traveling carnival, not at an award-winning theme park based in the 1880s.  What an eyesore.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on March 19, 2014, 07:28:35 AM
With all the work in the old Waterboggen area it looks like that might be where the 2015 project goes. I myself would love to see something like a 3D/4D attraction. Along the lines of Toy Story mania at Disney or Spider man at Universal. This way it could be a indoor attraction and the designers would not have to worry about guests seeing the backstage area's. So, What would be a good themed attraction like this to go in this space, and does HFE have the experience and cash to build something of this magnitude?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 19, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
With all the work in the old Waterboggen area it looks like that might be where the 2015 project goes. I myself would love to see something like a 3D/4D attraction. Along the lines of Toy Story mania at Disney or Spider man at Universal. This way it could be a indoor attraction and the designers would not have to worry about guests seeing the backstage area's. So, What would be a good themed attraction like this to go in this space, and does HFE have the experience and cash to build something of this magnitude?

The obvious answer (and it's been thrown out multiple times) that a rebirth of the Diving Bell using the new technology would be awesome. However, the backstage area seems destined to be moved and redeveloped as park of future expansion as its fairly flat and more ADA compliant.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on March 19, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
Bring back the Diving Bell!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on March 19, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
if the PTB are listening, please bring back the diving bell
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 19, 2014, 11:31:48 PM
I think the diving bell has been brought up in every single project thread since this site started, not to mention half the other threads in this topic. I'm sure they know about the idea.


For 2015, we're either looking at getting something fairly close to what was pitched in the last set of concept surveys, or they'll splurge and go for a new family coaster similar to Firechaser Express. I'm thinking that they'll go for the refurb of GG in 2015, followed by the coaster in 2016/2017. At this point though I'm hoping they don't go with the fireman theme just because it's been done so heavily at Dollywood. I'm cool with the parks sharing general ride concepts, but I want them to keep being creative rather than recycling themes like Six Flags and Cedar Fair.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on March 20, 2014, 12:00:10 AM
Thanks, all, for your "diving bell" nods. I really do wish they'd bring it back with the modern technology. The old attraction holds a special place in my heart and memories. It would be great if a new generation of park guests could get a taste of something that what once was...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 20, 2014, 09:54:42 AM
Cant help but wonder the "All American" theme this year is a kick off for a big "fireworks" doings next year...

2016 would be 240 years,,,,,  so maybe the fireworks concept is not so far out of reach?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 20, 2014, 11:26:40 AM
Cant help but wonder the "All American" theme this year is a kick off for a big "fireworks" doings next year...

2016 would be 240 years,,,,,  so maybe the fireworks concept is not so far out of reach?


Announcement around the 4th?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 20, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
I doubt It this year... they will not want to take away from this year "excitement"..

If GG is getting a redo,  an IF the new project is a coaster to compliment GG, that wont be announced to much later on.....

Time will give us more answers............. ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 21, 2014, 01:03:56 AM
Posters on Negative-G have posted some new photos of the clearing: http://www.negative-g.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4964


Looks like it's shaping up to be quite a project with them starting this early and clearing so much space.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 21, 2014, 07:17:50 AM
Posters on Negative-G have posted some new photos of the clearing: http://www.negative-g.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4964


Looks like it's shaping up to be quite a project with them starting this early and clearing so much space.

I'm just happy that all three concepts had the shot tower from CC. That's a staple, though I'm concerned about that one's particular capacity. Some of the better one's I've been on are the shorter one's.  I'm just hoping that a solid family coaster without inversions are part of this area revamp in the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on March 21, 2014, 07:38:26 AM
Posters on Negative-G have posted some new photos of the clearing: http://www.negative-g.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4964


Looks like it's shaping up to be quite a project with them starting this early and clearing so much space.

Changing the subject a little, but after looking at the photos it looks like in the future they could completely reroute the train after it does it's out loop past OR and create a completely new outer perimeter to the park. Since the photos do not show the terrain real well I am not sure if this would be possible.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on March 21, 2014, 12:07:43 PM
Not that I can add too much to the conversation, but the clearing wasn't just occurring right behind GG, but all the way up to the RR crossing by the old toboggan tower. They look to be leaving the "big" trees but cleaning up everything else in the area. I took a couple pictures, but they didn't really turn out well and you can see things better on the negative-g forum posted earlier ( http://www.negative-g.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4964 ).

This construction is going to be well documented......as long as GG stays open, and they do not fence all the way around the train tracks. A lot of nice view points are available.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 21, 2014, 12:13:22 PM
1. There has been talk about moving the round house. Idk if they're still considering that or not.
2.  Visible through summer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 21, 2014, 12:40:58 PM
1. There has been talk about moving the round house. Idk if they're still considering that or not.
2.  Visible through summer.

Again, they can hide the railroad maintenance area in plain sight with an authentic looking roundhouse with a turntable. It would be in theme and add to appeal of the park. Anywho, nice to see the work has started.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 22, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
Considering the size of the project.  They didn't have a choice.
Everything you know is about to change.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 22, 2014, 03:19:12 PM
^...but...but I don't know anything!

Everything I know about the roundhouse?  the railroad?  Geyser Gulch?  the WB tower?  Everything?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 22, 2014, 04:38:57 PM
^^^
I'm thinking everything we know about the 2015 concept is about to change.  That could be a good thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on March 22, 2014, 05:23:48 PM
Hmmm I like the sound of this!  :P
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 22, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Demo continues from the landing area of the old Waterboggan all the way to the Waterboggan tower.  Surely the tower be a part of the new attraction.  This looks to double the size of the current GG when completed, extending closer to the existing train track - a whole new area.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/3692505.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/3322393.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9129651.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 22, 2014, 10:56:39 PM
The shot tower is almost a definite, considering they had it in every single concept pitch. What surprised me is that there was no mention of the supersplash. It was rumored that they were looking at the possibility of adding it to this area some years ago, so I wonder if that's still on the drawing boards somewhere.

Until I see something substantial that tells us otherwise though, I'm going to assume that this clearing is for the shot tower and a few Zamperla rides. The theme is really what's going to be interesting here, and we probably won't be able to figure that out for sure until they finally make the announcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 23, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
Sounds like the Grand Expo 2. " lakeside"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 23, 2014, 12:27:06 PM
The shot tower is almost a definite, considering they had it in every single concept pitch. What surprised me is that there was no mention of the supersplash. It was rumored that they were looking at the possibility of adding it to this area some years ago, so I wonder if that's still on the drawing boards somewhere.

Until I see something substantial that tells us otherwise though, I'm going to assume that this clearing is for the shot tower and a few Zamperla rides. The theme is really what's going to be interesting here, and we probably won't be able to figure that out for sure until they finally make the announcement.

In 2011 the survey included a woodie, a shot tower for the second time (first a shot tower like that of lead shot and the second as a taller one themed to a ride to the moon, and a saddle ride like coaster that was themed to horses.
We have Outlaw Run, seem to in line for the first shot tower that went to Celebration City basically unthemed and if it comes to SDC will have to be themed up and I can't help but think that if this is a Zamperla package that we'll see the horse ride coaster as a custom tracked one themed to riding a rocket. I can see Zamperla's newer high thrill flat ride called an Air Race being themed to fireworks as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on March 23, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
One of the posters on the negative-g forum claims an employee said GG will be torn down in August.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 23, 2014, 08:35:45 PM
I noticed that, too, but I wonder why they spent money to purchase new balls for the ball cannons if they were just going to get rid of it - unless they just had some balls in storage.  I guess it wouldn't be a huge investment, but still...

I will not mourn GG, but I do wish they would take care of demo and construction in the off-season like they used to.  It's a shorter season than it used to be, and it's cold - I get it - but they're not even trying to hide the modern equipment as in former years.  Remember, for example, the big fence around the Riverblast, or even the fence around the pizza place, last year?  Where is the mysterious fence now?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 23, 2014, 08:57:39 PM
One of the posters on the negative-g forum claims an employee said GG will be torn down in August.

Swoosh gave you this that seems to back that up considering most of the pics are coming from GG:

2.  Visible through summer
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 23, 2014, 10:33:59 PM
Seems like a waste to me to tear down GG. I've been assuming that something major will happen to it, but I wouldn't expect it to just be torn all the way down. It seems like such a major and somewhat unique attraction, I'd hate to see it make way for just a bunch of cookie cutter Zamperla rides.

I just went back to take a look at the concept pitches, and each one of them mentions an interactive climb/play structure. Sounds and looks like they are just going to gut GG and rebuild it. The Fire Station pitch actually directly mentions that they would just put a new facade on GG.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 24, 2014, 08:02:04 AM
Sounds like the Grand Expo 2. " lakeside"

As long as the rides are themed. The GE consisted of stock models and that's my biggest complaint. Zamperla does customized rides. I did an image search for zamperla air rides and several different themed ride cars come up past the standard plane themed models. I  love the one with golden eagles on a raised platform over in Europe and the one them with no wings but a wooden spoke buggy is done well to. I have a concern for capacity on the existing S&A shot tower at CC.
(http://www.coasterfriends.de/forum/attachments/weltweite-news-asien-und-mehr/143517d1354149010-2013-neuheit-air-race-zamperla-dreamworld-australien-526735_369885849771205_1076038910_n.jpg)
(http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/00737/Ny_forlystelse_i_Ti_737745a.jpg)

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on March 25, 2014, 07:41:14 PM
One of the posters on the negative-g forum claims an employee said GG will be torn down in August.

Swoosh gave you this that seems to back that up considering most of the pics are coming from GG:

2.  Visible through summer


Swoosh gave me what? I followed the link to negative-g and read the posts. If at some point Swoosh said GG was getting torn down in August I missed that. Not sure what you mean here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on March 25, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
Seems like a waste to me to tear down GG. I've been assuming that something major will happen to it, but I wouldn't expect it to just be torn all the way down. It seems like such a major and somewhat unique attraction, I'd hate to see it make way for just a bunch of cookie cutter Zamperla rides.

I just went back to take a look at the concept pitches, and each one of them mentions an interactive climb/play structure. Sounds and looks like they are just going to gut GG and rebuild it. The Fire Station pitch actually directly mentions that they would just put a new facade on GG.

I certainly hope so. If it is getting replaced it needs to be with some kind of self service play area, not rides. Rides are fine, but don't last very long or keep the younger kids busy for very long without waiting in line and having some kind of supervision.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 25, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
One of the posters on the negative-g forum claims an employee said GG will be torn down in August.

Swoosh gave you this that seems to back that up considering most of the pics are coming from GG:

2.  Visible through summer


Swoosh gave me what? I followed the link to negative-g and read the posts. If at some point Swoosh said GG was getting torn down in August I missed that. Not sure what you mean here.

It was more of a hint. I imagine, like Shave does, that torn down means reworked and rethemed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 25, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
FTR:  I never said that GG was being torn down in August.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 26, 2014, 07:59:10 AM
FTR:  I never said that GG was being torn down in August.

Never said you did, just that work would be visible through August. Since most of the pics are coming from the GG area, one could assume you mean GG being closed. I haven't been to SDC yet, but pics show that a wooden fence is in place along the train track so that area already has a restrictive view. If and SDC employee said it would be torn down in the summer, one could deduct that goes along with what you alluded too about it being visable. However, I don't see how they are going to block off this area well enough to prohibit folks from following the construction if they are determined to do so.

If the "visable through summer" comment doesn't imply to GG maybe you could be more clear in thought.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on March 26, 2014, 08:27:24 AM
^^^
I'm thinking everything we know about the 2015 concept is about to change.  That could be a good thing.

I sure hope so. The things I here are just not that exciting to me. IE, shot tower , off the shelf flat rides just do not have much appeal. Hope we really get something that is a game changer.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 26, 2014, 10:03:40 AM
^^^
I'm thinking everything we know about the 2015 concept is about to change.  That could be a good thing.

I sure hope so. The things I here are just not that exciting to me. IE, shot tower , off the shelf flat rides just do not have much appeal. Hope we really get something that is a game changer.

The shot tower is a theme park staple and is needed. There's a couple of flats that if themed would add to the park. Like Swoosh has said in the past, they're are people eaters and shorten lines the main attractions. Like at it this way, if dad and teen Jr are in line for outlaw run and it's an hour wait and mom and the 8yr old aren't into it, why not have a kiddie ride or two real close so that the mom and the little one can stay close by without separating. Outlaw Run is the perfect example with the rather extreme giant swing. If two out of four want to ride those two on a busier day that will take at least an 11/2hrs yet all there is for the other two in the immediate area is high/low silo and a couple of things that take just a couple of minutes to tire of. (Hand crank frog race, milk the fake cow. The original concept art called a mini swing along with Hi/low but that became part of Half Dollar Holler. Maybe this time they are getting it set for the big thrill. I just wish that Zamperla had the disco with a hill out when GE got its version. I have seen that themed very well. It's up to SDC to pay to theme a flat, it can be done.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on March 26, 2014, 01:56:34 PM
^^^
I'm thinking everything we know about the 2015 concept is about to change.  That could be a good thing.

I sure hope so. The things I here are just not that exciting to me. IE, shot tower , off the shelf flat rides just do not have much appeal. Hope we really get something that is a game changer.

The shot tower is a theme park staple and is needed. There's a couple of flats that if themed would add to the park. Like Swoosh has said in the past, they're are people eaters and shorten lines the main attractions. Like at it this way, if dad and teen Jr are in line for outlaw run and it's an hour wait and mom and the 8yr old aren't into it, why not have a kiddie ride or two real close so that the mom and the little one can stay close by without separating. Outlaw Run is the perfect example with the rather extreme giant swing. If two out of four want to ride those two on a busier day that will take at least an 11/2hrs yet all there is for the other two in the immediate area is high/low silo and a couple of things that take just a couple of minutes to tire of. (Hand crank frog race, milk the fake cow. The original concept art called a mini swing along with Hi/low but that became part of Half Dollar Holler. Maybe this time they are getting it set for the big thrill. I just wish that  had the disco with a hill out when GE got its version. I have seen that themed very well. It's up to SDC to pay to theme a flat, it can be done.

Well for me it is a waste of resources. It might work and be needed, but if I want to go to a traveling carnival I will just stay close to home.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 26, 2014, 02:43:24 PM
^^^
I'm thinking everything we know about the 2015 concept is about to change.  That could be a good thing."

I sure hope so. The things I here are just not that exciting to me. IE, shot tower , off the shelf flat rides just do not have much appeal. Hope we really get something that is a game changer.

The shot tower is a theme park staple and is needed. There's a couple of flats that if themed would add to the park. Like Swoosh has said in the past, they're are people eaters and shorten lines the main attractions. Like at it this way, if dad and teen Jr are in line for outlaw run and it's an hour wait and mom and the 8yr old aren't into it, why not have a kiddie ride or two real close so that the mom and the little one can stay close by without separating. Outlaw Run is the perfect example with the rather extreme giant swing. If two out of four want to ride those two on a busier day that will take at least an 11/2hrs yet all there is for the other two in the immediate area is high/low silo and a couple of things that take just a couple of minutes to tire of. (Hand crank frog race, milk the fake cow. The original concept art called a mini swing along with Hi/low but that became part of Half Dollar Holler. Maybe this time they are getting it set for the big thrill. I just wish that  had the disco with a hill out when GE got its version. I have seen that themed very well. It's up to SDC to pay to theme a flat, it can be done.

Well for me it is a waste of resources. It might work and be needed, but if I want to go to a traveling carnival I will just stay close to home.

I don't know, I take comfort that it's not carnies running things and the fact it keeps me from relenting to going to the weekend road show. But...SDC is close to me. Like I said, I've some of these rides themed up pretty good. Googleimage  search Zamperla disk'o and compare and contrast on the traveling show ones and themed up ones at Parks.

Here's SDC's disc'o
(http://www.coasterimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/0566.jpg)
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/sdc-electrospin001_211.jpg)

Here's some others with more than a custom paint job
(http://www.zamperla.com/public/product/big/roller-coaster/disko_coaster_gallery_11.jpg)
(http://www.trips-n-pics.com/pics/trips/trips/33/6.jpg)
(http://plopsafansite.be/DePanne/Dossiers/2013-Wickie/Opening/26.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 26, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
FTR:  I never said that GG was being torn down in August.

Never said you did, just that work would be visible through August. Since most of the pics are coming from the GG area, one could assume you mean GG being closed.

If the "visable through summer" comment doesn't imply to GG maybe you could be more clear in thought.

Fair enough, and yes it did. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 31, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
here are pics from sunday the 30th........ In the middle are 7 or 8 pics I took from the train ride... that is the best view to see the work..... I will do my review later ..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sanddunerider/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 31, 2014, 08:35:41 PM
Wow!  The hi-striker thing looks even better with the fluorescent prizes!  I see now how well it fits in with the theme!




I was going to get pictures of the new yellow cones in the parking lot, too.  They were so clean and smooth.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 31, 2014, 10:58:41 PM
I wonder if they are going to open up the back of the Grand Exposition?.  Look at a map, Google Earth, it would work.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 01, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
No.  The Grand Expo was designed to have ONE entrance and ONE exit as a way to safely allow younger guests to explore the area.  This was one of the key components that was stressed in the original press release.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 01, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
No.  The Grand Expo was designed to have ONE entrance and ONE exit as a way to safely allow younger guests to explore the area.  This was one of the key components that was stressed in the original press release.
I get what your saying, but I know thoughts change over time and it's been nearly a decade since GE opened up. Maybe a new loop could be created with a new track crossing and crosses over to the new project area. Even with them taking out that backstage area and parking lot, they'll still need an entrance area for the parade and such. I can see that still being there at the back of the GE. I know my city has or still are installing several trail tunnels under roads and I can see SDC doing that under 76 to the lots across the highway for employee parking/physical plant.

Too many fingers seem destined to create more bottlenecks where they tie into old loop.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 01, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
Let's put it another way. There are plans for that area, but it is not to expand and/or connect GE with the rest of the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 01, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
You know I've always thought that one day there would be a loop at the back of GE connecting it to Lake Silver. But the more I think about it, GE is such a break from the rest of the park (most of the time we don't even walk back there) that I really wouldn't want to see it as a loop. GE is more of an excersion from SDC, if you like it..go there, if you don't..you don't have to see it. I'm now kinda liking the idea that it will stay somewhat hidden and out of the main flow of traffic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on April 01, 2014, 01:25:59 PM
Me too!  I've never found that area interesting, but I can see how families would enjoy it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on April 04, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
So, do you ever see Roaring Falls from Celebration City coming over to SDC?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on April 04, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
So, do you ever see Roaring Falls from Celebration City coming over to SDC?

I would hope not. I would rather see an entirely new flume (think splash mountain) or a complete rebuild of AP before another kiddie ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 04, 2014, 02:16:18 PM
So, do you ever see Roaring Falls from Celebration City coming over to SDC?

I would hope not. I would rather see an entirely new flume (think splash mountain) or a complete rebuild of AP before another kiddie ride.

I agree, Fix/update/re-work AP before bringing in a cheep looking run-of-the-mill flume ride
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on April 04, 2014, 04:28:28 PM
Roaring Falls is a chute the chute ride...pretty plain jane. If you want to move it somewhere, put it in the park in Georgia. Who knows, it might fit Dollywood.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 04, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
Move it to White Water...several water parks have that kind of ride as part of their ride selections.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 04, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
Move it to White Water...several water parks have that kind of ride as part of their ride selections.

Jay

Yep, a clone of the ride at Celebration City that was at Alabama Adventure just opened up at Shlitterbahn Corpus Christi and today I read where a water park is putting in a slash battle like River Blast. As amusement parks add their water park into the dry side admission, you'll see water only parks go the other way a bit. We see that with the coaster water slides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 04, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
I seem to recall a strong rumor from a few years back that said that RF was being strongly considered for SDC, but like many things that were considered around that time it seems to have been put off/delayed/abandoned. In a package deal, it wouldn't be a terrible addition. It's about as unimaginative as a ride can get, and of course we only want SDC to pursue the best ride concepts around, but it would help the crowds on hot days.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on April 05, 2014, 11:53:32 AM
I think the chute the chute rides originated at places like Coney Island way back in the 1910's or 1920's when there was no air conditioning. It was a pretty big thrill to get out of the concrete jungle down to the beach and get wet on a chute the chute ride. Fun way of staying cool in the hot summer time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 05, 2014, 03:41:16 PM
I think the chute the chute rides originated at places like Coney Island way back in the 1910's or 1920's when there was no air conditioning. It was a pretty big thrill to get out of the concrete jungle down to the beach and get wet on a chute the chute ride. Fun way of staying cool in the hot summer time.

The Boat Chute at Lake Winnie is the oldest still in operation, built in the late 20s. It's old school.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 06, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
PHOTOS FROM THIS WEEKEND OF PROJECT 2015
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/04.05/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 06, 2014, 04:43:34 PM
Thanks for posting! Great set of pics. Looks like a blank slate...for something. I'm curious to see if or how they re-work the backside of GG.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on April 06, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
Thanks for the report, Swoosh. I do pine for the days when construction was done completely in winter months and the public never saw it. However, impossible to do today with the expanded season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: thelarsonsix on April 06, 2014, 06:54:09 PM
PHOTOS FROM THIS WEEKEND OF PROJECT 2015
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/04.05/

They've done quite a bit in the last week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 06, 2014, 07:28:09 PM
Thanks for the report, Swoosh. I do pine for the days when construction was done completely in winter months and the public never saw it. However, impossible to do today with the expanded season.

The size and scope of this project does not allow it.  This will complete redefine this area. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 07, 2014, 12:54:43 AM
Does the clearing go all the way up to the water boggin tower? Is that still being held back for something else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 07, 2014, 05:57:02 AM
No. and No.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: MandyTG on April 08, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
Hello everyone! Long time, no post, but we are headed back to SDC this year after a 2 year break. I myself would really love to see a dark ride, such as Peter Pan, etc! My youngest doesn't like coasters (although we do make him ride FITH for his own good  ;) ). So he and I end up bench sitting a good portion of the day while Dad and big brother ride, or we ride Flooded Mine over and over!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 09, 2014, 09:07:31 AM
Glad to hear from you again Mandy, and that y'all are heading back to SDC this year. I agree, I would love to see a highly themed dark ride in the works for SDC oneday.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 09, 2014, 07:41:02 PM
I fear the skyline of the new area.  I never thought that the park planted enough native trees around GE and consequently its a oven back there with little shade therefore little escape.  The new area has been all but clear cut, leaving some pines in the far back of the property.  Its my hope that SDC will realize this mistake and plant some deciduous trees like oak and maple.  They provide the best shade and cover.  I never felt the crepe myrtle and ornamental trees in GE provided necessary shade or the feel that you were in a worlds fair type setting.
Hope you get this one right guys.  Plant some trees!  Remember the story about Mary firing people for cutting down trees?  I think she was on to something.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 09, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
I find your post humorous mhguy.  When we visited the park this last weekend, we commented on how WELL the trees had grown in at Grand Expo.  It is very shaded now.  Oh sure there are areas on the main midway that are open to the elements, but the back midway along the ElectroSpin is very well grown in. 

Also while on the subject, the family (Herschends) own a tree farm which is what they use to bring in mature trees.  They planted mature trees up around Outlaw Run too, so I wouldn't worry too much.

As far as a "clear cut" ... how does that song go?  "We've only just begun...."
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: nemaw on April 09, 2014, 10:23:10 PM
As far as a "clear cut" ... how does that song go?  "We've only just begun...."

Come on Swoosh, you know you want to tell us more...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on April 09, 2014, 10:29:13 PM
Quote
but the back midway along the ElectroSpin is very well grown in. 
This ride was built in and along the tree line.  I think you might refer to old trip report photos to refresh yourself.  This was not because of tree growth.  This was however done the correct way.
Unfortunately they failed to do anything in the middle of the area to provide shade even thought they did landscape. Remember however that GE was employee parking so there weren't any trees to work with. On the other hand the new family area was clear cut, saving nothing but what was on the extreme back near the tracks.  Do you think it will take 10 years for this to grow in as well?
 I enjoyed Dollywood but could not hang out in the back end of the park as they have left that area almost treeless, great rides, ugly area. Doesn't HE operate this park?

 I am ok with progress but I think we all know the story about Mary the tree and the employee she fired because he cut it down.  She understood the importance of saving what was there, not removing nature  in the name of progress.  With a little effort most of the trees could be saved. And we would all be much more comfortable for it.  I am wondering if I am the only Fan that feels this way.

PS: Glad to hear they planted around OR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 09, 2014, 11:29:21 PM
A lot of the area you're looking at in the new photos hasn't been clear-cut, it's where the splashdown and the end of the slides were for the Waterboggin. I'm sure they've taken out a few trees, but it's nothing to worry over yet. They are still doing pretty well with the whole tree cover thing.

I've been pleased with how GE is growing in. The trees around the GE coaster, for example, are really maturing now and it's starting to really look like what you would expect from SDC. Now, the back row is still pretty bad, but that's already a lost cause.

Assuming what Swoosh knows is correct, it sounds like they've actually increased the size and/or scope of the project from what was presented in the concept pitches. Would you say so Swoosh? That'd be a first, usually it seems like the concepts get dumbed down at least a bit before implementation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 10, 2014, 06:03:01 AM
Well,to be fair, they never really came out and said how large the project was going to be in the concept art/surveys -- with that being said, I was surprised to learn just how big it was going to be.  That area is really going to look different when it is all said and done.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 10, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Well,to be fair, they never really came out and said how large the project was going to be in the concept art/surveys -- with that being said, I was surprised to learn just how big it was going to be.  That area is really going to look different when it is all said and done.



Five new ride was the concept pitch with one being the shot tower at CC and a kiddie ride.  That leaves three more  and with proper queues and theming  that's at least  half of the GE area, If they work in an improved and expanded play area that GG already is, it's even more. I guess some thought this a Half Dollar sized foot print.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Grapeslie on April 10, 2014, 12:32:14 PM
All I know is I'm starting to get really excited about this project whatever it is! SDC rarely disappoints!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 10, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Yeah, it was never going to be the size of HDH
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior on April 10, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
I'm sure when the project is complete the area will look wonderful. Trees will grow, it will be very nice.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 12, 2014, 05:57:19 AM
I'm busy this weekend with WOF Opening Weekend - who is on update duty instead?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 12, 2014, 05:33:21 PM
you have a near perfect day today swoosh,,,, 

I don't know who is in the city today, I think Dollar said they would be there this weekend......

2 more weeks for me.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 12, 2014, 06:19:53 PM
It was near 90*F today at WOF. Big crowd
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on April 14, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
We were there Sat & Sun (12&13) nothing new to report on the project, same dirt, same clearing. Took some pictures from the backside of GG, but it just looks like the last set of pics that were posted. Heard a lot of people around GG confused where the Kettle Corn stand was, directed them to the new one. The ugly game that was brought over from CC was closed, needs to be removed...looks like crap.

Sat- Warm & beautiful day, fairly busy
Sun - Off & on showers, had the park to ourselves, it was great!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 14, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
The game is a distraction to the shows in the nearby theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 14, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
The game is a distraction to the shows in the nearby theater

Shrewd forethought there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 17, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
Swoosh, since you know the most about the new area.....but really can't tell, could you help us shuffle through the internet rumors? Maybe with a hot or cold kind of response....or maybe a "you got ?? of the 8 correct".

These are the things I've been hearing from Citizens and around the net:
1. Geyser Gulch will close in August and will be raised for a complete new play structure.
2. The train tracks will be rerouted.
3. This will be a complete new area, not just one ride.
4. A B&M wing rider is coming to the park.
5. The employee parking lot will also be utilized for the area.
6. GG will not be removed, it will just be renovated to be used for new area.
7. A new dark ride will be part of the experience.
8. The shot tower from CC will be utilized in new area.

Are there any other rumors floating around that are not included in this list?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 17, 2014, 08:33:38 PM
9. Aliens are real
10. Santa Claus is not real
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 17, 2014, 09:06:50 PM
9. Aliens are real
10. Santa Claus is not real

11. Quinn wants to come back
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 17, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
Swoosh, since you know the most about the new area.....but really can't tell, could you help us shuffle through the internet rumors? Maybe with a hot or cold kind of response....or maybe a "you got ?? of the 8 correct".

These are the things I've been hearing from Citizens and around the net:
1. Geyser Gulch will close in August and will be raised for a complete new play structure.
2. The train tracks will be rerouted.
3. This will be a complete new area, not just one ride.
4. A B&M wing rider is coming to the park.
5. The employee parking lot will also be utilized for the area.
6. GG will not be removed, it will just be renovated to be used for new area.
7. A new dark ride will be part of the experience.
8. The shot tower from CC will be utilized in new area.

Are there any other rumors floating around that are not included in this list?

Jay


I don't want to pretend like I really know what's going on at the park, but from what I've seen flow through this site over the past few years I think we have reason to expect the following:

1. Probably
2. Maybe
3. According to the concept pitches (which have a good track record of being fairly accurate), this is a remake and expansion of the geyser gulch area with multiple new family rides.
4. Not this year.
5. Doesn't look like it will be used just yet, though we do know from previous concept pitches and the old GE artwork that the parking lot is considered an area for expansion.
6. Yes, this is what the concept pitches specifically stated. Plus it wouldn't make sense to completely scrap it.
7. Haven't heard anything about this other than wishful thinking. SDC has never made any mention of the possibility of a new dark ride that I can remember, though it's certainly possible in the near future.
8. Yes, this was included in each pitch for the area, which probably means it's a sure thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on April 17, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
9. Aliens are real
10. Santa Claus is not real

What whoa??? This completely blows my mind!!! Are you sure about these things?? Where does Bigfoot fall in this list? Please don't say he's not real either...all those people on that show can't be liars could they?

I didn't think you'd spill anything, but I was hoping maybe you'd say at least 7 of those 8 were spot on :-)

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 17, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
I will squelch #7.  That hasn't been mentioned at all in any discussions that I've heard except here by super fans.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on April 21, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
The following is a product of not enough sleep and it being Monday all day today. So... With apologies I present...

11. Sasquatch is rumored to wander the area around Lake Eufaula in East Central Oklahoma
12. Chupacabras comes from Texas.
13. The easter bunny is fake
14. So is the tooth fairy

***** TONGUE FIRMLY PLANTED IN CHEEK *****
Please do not take the previous post seriously.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2014, 07:31:59 PM
Are we done being "cute"?

Good.  Let's get back to real updates
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/04.27/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on April 27, 2014, 08:01:59 PM
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but I think we can
safely assume that whatever appears here will be a blast.

Nice nod, Swoosh.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 27, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Looking good. It will be interesting to watch the old CC location to see the shot tower disappear sometime this year. I imagine they'll take it down soon if it's not already in order to start prepping it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 27, 2014, 10:14:24 PM
It is still there as of today -- now that "other thing" that we all talked about awhile ago... it has mysteriously disappeared.  Wonder where it could have gone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 03, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Ok.  This is the 6th time I've tried to post this and it keeps timing out.  Ugh.  Took photos from the train today but my files are too big it says.  I'll try to post them tomorrow from a computer.  Doesn't look like much has changed since the last photos were posted.  Dad talked to someone "in the know" who asked what rides they are putting in.  Then dad let it slip that he would put it on here.  So, he told us but said that I can't tell you which of the rides is being brought back to life for the new section.  However, I cannot stop you all from speculating and guessing.  I am so excited this is making a a return!  The official announcement on the train said that we will all be excited to hear the formal announcement in the fall and to watch for the changing landscape. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 03, 2014, 09:54:01 PM
Balloons?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 03, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 04, 2014, 02:39:08 PM
So is this where we're leaning?

(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34479.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 04, 2014, 02:46:33 PM
We asked about the theme.  He said that he has not heard a definite on that yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 04, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
We asked about the theme.  He said that he has not heard a definite on that yet.

Five rides?

Possible Repurposed Rides
S&S Shot Tower from CC?
Shoot the Chute From CC?
Balloons from old Tom And Huck Landing?

New Rides,
Kiddie Ride?
And....... I hope and hope a quality  extreme flat like a Zamperla AirRace?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on May 04, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
Sorry to be negative. But, this is really turning out to be a big disappointment to me. We are skipping this year and I see nothing on the horizon to bring me back in 15. I can only hope the speculation is wrong.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 04, 2014, 07:09:50 PM
We asked about the theme.  He said that he has not heard a definite on that yet.

Five rides?


6 rides.  Pretty sure 4 will be new.  I know of 2 "used" rides coming to the area.
We've been calling it "Grand Expo 2"

Speaking of which, the "boundaries" of Grand Expo have shrunk.  The RGHH and Courtyard are no longer considered part of that area.  The new boundary is next to the ice cream shop
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 04, 2014, 09:02:12 PM
^Why would the boundaries change?  Is there to be another entrance/connection to the new space?

^^Runner, we'll just wait and see.  I'm happy to get rid of GG, but I'm afraid of the carnival that is coming.  No doubt there will be added upcharge games, tattooing and face painting, slushies and trinket stands, but nothing substantial to maintain a tight theme.  Yes, they will do whatever it is well, but we're on a slippery slope now and downward speed appears to be increasing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 05, 2014, 04:14:12 PM
The boundary change was due to removal of GE props that were in the RGHH courtyard.  Since that is now used as a holding corral those things had to go.  You'll notice that the RGHH sign has been changed as well due to the change AND most importantly, the GE marquee that was located near the Culinary School has been removed for good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 05, 2014, 09:55:16 PM
I did notice that the marquee was gone.  And I also noticed that the courtyard was really the only international themed area in the park.  the rest of the international part was just kind of stuck to the side everywhere.  I wonder if world fest will soon go the way of kids fest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on May 06, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
I also noticed the "lack" of park wide worldfest decorations... they had all the shows, food, frisco barn as usual..

I would not mind if they did away with Worldfest and extended bluegrass and BBQ 3 weeks!! ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 06, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
The lack of "World Fest"-ive decorations is due to the park-wide theme for this year.  Believe me, World Fest isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Sorry, but let's squish that rumor right now.

*chop chop*
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 07, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Good!  We really do enjoy world fest and I would hate to see it go away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 08, 2014, 05:50:02 PM
Strange that GE props are moving around. I'm not sure I understand the point, but it probably makes more sense when you see it in person.

Regarding the balloons rumor, we'll see. I've been told things like that for years and sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. I think as far as the connection to the theme goes, the actual theme of the area will be unique from what was presented in the concepts, so even if the rumor is true, it doesn't necessarily mean we're getting 'Magic of Flight' as it was spelled out in the concept. It could be something related to exploration, trail blazing, etc, etc. I do like the magic of flight pitch the more I go back and look over it though. The modern-age plane ride really throws you off at fist, but assuming that is a fluke that won't make it into the actual final design, it's a good concept that fits the park well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 15, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
So did anyone get a photo of the S&S shot tower going down 76 last night?  I'm sure that was quite the sight to be seen going through all those curves.

Wait... whut?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 15, 2014, 06:40:34 PM
What Swoosh is not telling us is that the shot tower will soon be inverted to fire riders deep into a newly-discovered section of Marvel Cave.  The new room was opened up during the recent excavation of the area behind Geyser Gulch, and the engineers created a brand new theme.

The newest theme area to join the SDC family will still be based on Rube Dugan and his latest efforts to mine the lakebed - this time from underneath.  The diving bell was a distinct failure, so in a desperate effort to recoup his capital, Rube has now sped up the mining process.  His idea?  To shoot amateur mining volunteers (riders) into the mine with his new "inverted shot tunnel".

Riders will experience deep cave exploration at high speed.  This means, in the hottest of summers, they will go from 100 degrees to 60 degrees and back in mere seconds.  In the coldest of winters, riders will experience subzero to 60 degrees, effectively reversing the sensation.  The speed and suddenly temperature derivations make the old shot tower into one formidable high-thrill addition to the new Dugan Mining area at Silver Dollar City!  New for 2015.

Of course, I'm just inferring all of this based on the evidence that has been presented.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 15, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
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Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on May 15, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
Thanks for totally messing with my mind, don't know what to belive!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on May 15, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
So will Rube reappear in 2015?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 15, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
That remains to be seen.  The only thing that is NOW confirmed is that the S&S shot tower from CC is now at SDC.  Now, whether or not it actually goes into the new section... well that hasn't been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 15, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
The shot tower has gotten more attention than a new coaster on this board.  At 16 riders per whack this is not going to service a whole lot of guests per day.  I predict this to be a very anti-climactic addition to the park. Lets hope there is something more exciting besides this and the balloons.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 15, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
The shot tower has gotten more attention than a new coaster on this board.  At 16 riders per whack this is not going to service a whole lot of guests per day.  I predict this to be a very anti-climactic addition to the park. Lets hope there is something more exciting besides this and the balloons.

It's adding what is now a staple at parks and at a low cost as part of a broader package. Plus it's a people eater, taking away from longer lines at the major attractions. Besides, an S&S Shot Tower is just fun. I look at 2015 as what Grand Exposition was, building the base and more importantly, growing SDC into a two day park for most all visitors. I'm not expecting 'big time" till 2017.

Now in my fantasy world SDC would love to have double digit coasters as I think it needs two mid sized coasters that doesn't invert and the whole family would have no problem with.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 16, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
The shot tower has gotten more attention than a new coaster on this board.  At 16 riders per whack this is not going to service a whole lot of guests per day.  I predict this to be a very anti-climactic addition to the park. Lets hope there is something more exciting besides this and the balloons.

I don't see anyone really getting their hopes up over it, but it is a very obvious expected addition to the park and has been for awhile now. It's nice, if small, and can be fit into the park well. It's not much of a crowd eater, but as part of a new area it will certainly add to the number of things to do and spread people out more.

What I'm really excited for is the Zamperla deliveries that I would think could be here by the Fall.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 16, 2014, 01:45:00 PM
I don't know if this has anything to do with the project bit I just noticed the swing ride is gone from hdh
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 16, 2014, 01:49:31 PM
Here is a pic
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on May 16, 2014, 02:20:18 PM
wow interesting!

Usually when we cross the bridge, there is only one random kid on that ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2014, 02:43:08 PM
Well..that's a sore thumb. The original Giant Swing concept art had it there just to the right of the queue. Wonder if it will reappear there or down in GE by the little group of real little kid rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on May 16, 2014, 04:38:04 PM
When we were there last time I saw it and wondered if anyone ever ride it.  My 2 year old would love it but she won't be tall enough until next year to ride it.  It would be better utilized if it was in the expo toddler area and if they were able to lower the height requirement a bit.  I also noticed that hdh wasn't really busy when we were there but every place else was packed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 16, 2014, 06:01:57 PM
That's bizzare. I don't think it was intended to be a highly trafficed ride, it was just something else for young kids to do in the HDH area. I wouldn't think they would take it out for low ridership, and I don't know why they would take it out just to leave a void at the start of as season. This seems like an odd move on their part.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 16, 2014, 06:38:12 PM
All we know is that it is in storage right now.  There had been rumors that it was going to happen, but then we were told that they weren't true.  Guess that changed -- as so many things do at SDC.

Some other whispers of changes coming that I hope are not true.  If I see movement in that area regarding them I'll point it out.  Like I said, I hope they are not true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 16, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
Uh oh.  That doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
When we were there last time I saw it and wondered if anyone ever ride it.  My 2 year old would love it but she won't be tall enough until next year to ride it.  It would be better utilized if it was in the expo toddler area and if they were able to lower the height requirement a bit.  I also noticed that hdh wasn't really busy when we were there but every place else was packed.

Let's be honest, it underwhelmed  play structure wise considering it kinda replaced the treehouse. Was glad the carousel was there though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 16, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
Uh oh.  That doesn't sound good.

If I ran a popular(?) Disneyfreak website I would put it under a "declining by degrees" heading.  I am just not a fan of making SDC feel more like an "amusement park" and this would definitely do it.  You think the carny game was bad over by GG?  That would be NOTHING if the rumor is true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
Uh oh.  That doesn't sound good.

If I ran a popular(?) Disneyfreak website I would put it under a "declining by degrees" heading.  I am just not a fan of making SDC feel more like an "amusement park" and this would definitely do it.  You think the carny game was bad over by GG?  That would be NOTHING if the rumor is true.

Well, that's what I feel they have been doing at Dollywood. But I say that as someone that went there when it was the second SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 17, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
Another thing I noticed is in the 4 times we have been this year I have never once seen the new game by GG open.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 17, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
Yeah there's a reason for that. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on May 18, 2014, 10:37:21 AM
What is that reason?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 18, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
What is that reason?

thought it had been posted, noise complaints from the performers at the playhouse... right?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: biscuitcreek on May 19, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
Another thing I noticed is in the 4 times we have been this year I have never once seen the new game by GG open.

I saw it open one time during World Fest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BobKrause on May 23, 2014, 08:44:23 AM
The lack of "World Fest"-ive decorations is due to the park-wide theme for this year.  Believe me, World Fest isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Sorry, but let's squish that rumor right now.

*chop chop*

Good! Though I don't always make it, World Fest is one of my favorite festivals at SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 23, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
Sounds like the game by GG will be moved to GE this coming week.  The giant GE map has been removed to make room for it.

My eyes could have been playing tricks on me, but there appears to be several rides backstage getting worked on.  You can see them in certain lift hills.  Just keep your eyes open
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on May 23, 2014, 10:33:31 PM
So if the park goes with the Dugan theme, as a promotional device, how many are in favor of a Junior Dugan reunion, say for 2015 media day, to promote the new area...and yes, I am shamelessly planting this in a vain attempt to put this in the minds of the PTB. I'd love to see some of the old crew together for a reunion! Fun times, ya had to be there...oh yeah, some of you were!

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 24, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
So if the park goes with the Dugan theme, as a promotional device, how many are in favor of a Junior Dugan reunion, say for 2015 media day, to promote the new area...and yes, I am shamelessly planting this in a vain attempt to put this in the minds of the PTB. I'd love to see some of the old crew together for a reunion! Fun times, ya had to be there...oh yeah, some of you were!



Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 24, 2014, 07:27:15 PM
Sounds like the game by GG will be moved to GE this coming week.  The giant GE map has been removed to make room for it.

My eyes could have been playing tricks on me, but there appears to be several rides backstage getting worked on.  You can see them in certain lift hills.  Just keep your eyes open

I wish we knew why they were so hell-bent on keeping that thing in the park. I try not to be too much of a "purist" any more, but you can tell it just doesn't fit the place... Even the GP I saw thought it looked tacky.

There is obviously something big and yellow in the backlot, but I have yet to spot anything else obvious. I'm not going to go out of my way to look for anything yet, but they can't hide the accelerator pieces, and they are clearly visible when you ride TGS.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: KBCraig on May 25, 2014, 09:26:45 PM
I miss the days when the only talk of a "shot tower", was the wooden tower on Main Street where molten lead was dropped into water to form shot for a shotgun.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on May 27, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
You mean that's not what they're talking about?  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 29, 2014, 11:31:23 PM
I know you enjoy pictures of flags, capped tubes and gravel so here you go
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/05.23/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on May 30, 2014, 09:16:31 AM
Thanks for the gravel pics!  ;D

Nice big open area...i wonder if SDC still goes by their ole practice of planting 2 trees for every tree removed? They posted that a few months ago on facebook, we'll see if that holds true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 30, 2014, 09:49:01 AM
Yes, but that doesn't mean that they will plant the trees here or even in the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on May 30, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Swoosh, when I was there back in March, they had some "Bobcat" style equipment doing work/clearing around the Water toboggan tower, and the little building located in the woods just north of the water toboggan tower.

This work was taking place at the same time that the other clearing around GG was taking place, so I just assumed it was also for the new area. But since that time, it doesn't seem like any additional work or clearing has occurred in the tower area.

Do you think that work that was being done by the tower was just routine maintenance of the area, or do you think a new ride will wrap all the way back to that location?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 30, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Just speculation on my part, but I would assume that the new project will be inside the current fence perimeters and that does not include the tower.  I am hoping that the tower will come down soon, but that's just out of personal preference.

 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 30, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
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Yes, but that doesn't mean that they will plant the trees here or even in the park.

And that's a shame. The deal with the trees is once the realize they have removed too many,  tree farm or not it will take a long time to replant and gain the shade they are removing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 30, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Well unless things have changed, there is a family member who has a tree farm that specializes in mature trees.  This is what they did for Grand Expo.  I can't imagine them not doing this again for the new area.

Edit: Removed verbage that offended
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on May 30, 2014, 09:13:43 PM
Thanks for the report, Swoosh. My thought is the project is GE2. Obviously several small family flat rides, and as we have heard before, return of balloon chase and the CC amusement. So, Rube Dugan theme, or what? The large area of gravel to me means alot of foundation work for pavement. Again, GE2. I understand their goal...several amusements at a relatively lower cost than something like the last coaster, with a high impact for guests, especially families with young kids. We shall see...I suppose an announcement in the fall sometime. Thanks again for the pictures.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 30, 2014, 10:27:27 PM
They can plant trees easily enough, but what is somewhat striking about this development is that departs so heavily from the original "city in the woods" concept that gave SDC it's famous tree canopy. They used to go in and mark out the trees in an area that were worth keeping and try to plan developments around those trees as best they could - oftentimes even designing buildings so that trees would come up through the buildings. Now it looks like they are clear-cutting and adding a few trees back in as landscaping. That is a huge difference for the feel and layout of the park.

While a lot of this area was going to be a gravel pit anyway due to the old clearing from the waterboggin, they definitely took out a few things that I know would have been kept back in the day.

Whatever though - it's not necessarily a huge deal, just a different way of doing things. They can certainly landscape it back up to create a tree canopy or whatever they want.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on May 31, 2014, 08:28:57 AM
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Now it looks like they are clear-cutting and adding a few trees back in as landscaping. That is a huge difference for the feel and layout of the park

This procedure is what robs the authenticity in the very base of the theme.
Marking trees and working around them to retain was the "hard" way to do the job.  The end results however were without argument,  warm and inviting.  Now they are clear cutting and inserting non forest native trees. It shows.
Juxtapose / compare walking in nicely planned yard or gardens and walking in the woods.  Both are lovely but one feels much more adventurous and consuming.  Gardens come and go with the seasons but the woods stay wild and mysterious.   This creates a natural theme, I insist its the very basis of the theme that made us all fans of the park.

Although I keep hearing the GE mentioned I have yet to here anything other than the job they did is growing in well. I don't hear much "connection" to this area.  Its great for the kids but there is little character.  Theme and character have little to do with each other.

Possibly you have heard the story about Miss Mary and workers fired because of a cut tree.  She did not deem this necessary, the end result was a peace treaty lasagna dinner that she herself supplied to smooth things over and get those boys back to work. This reaffirms and supports the fact that the founders of the park knew the importance of the trees and wooded feel that their soon to blossom park naturally contained. 

One more thought, If it were possible how many of you would like trees inserted to block the view of the row of resorts down from Wildfire? Does this disturbance of the natural view set the theme on its side a little? It does for me.
I am not a tree hugger, but I am in awe of their natural beauty and hate to see them removed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 31, 2014, 09:53:47 AM
Remember this post by Grapeslie from the 2013 Construction thread?

"Just got home from day two of the ACE SDC Event going on right now. First of all Outlaw Run is amazing beyond expectation! Also I spoke with Pete Herschend (yes he showed up it was cool) and he  told me that us coaster enthusiasts should keep our eyes open for 2015 because they are gonna make us happy again!  SDC Bring it on!"

Sounds like some kind of coaster for next year unless the project has been delayed.  Just saying...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on May 31, 2014, 11:12:20 AM
^^^ Thanks for the update
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on May 31, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
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Now it looks like they are clear-cutting and adding a few trees back in as landscaping. That is a huge difference for the feel and layout of the park

This procedure is what robs the authenticity in the very base of the theme.
Marking trees and working around them to retain was the "hard" way to do the job.  The end results however were without argument,  warm and inviting.  Now they are clear cutting and inserting non forest native trees. It shows.
Juxtapose / compare walking in nicely planned yard or gardens and walking in the woods.  Both are lovely but one feels much more adventurous and consuming.  Gardens come and go with the seasons but the woods stay wild and mysterious.   This creates a natural theme, I insist its the very basis of the theme that made us all fans of the park.

Although I keep hearing the GE mentioned I have yet to here anything other than the job they did is growing in well. I don't hear much "connection" to this area.  Its great for the kids but there is little character.  Theme and character have little to do with each other.

Possibly you have heard the story about Miss Mary and workers fired because of a cut tree.  She did not deem this necessary, the end result was a peace treaty lasagna dinner that she herself supplied to smooth things over and get those boys back to work. This reaffirms and supports the fact that the founders of the park knew the importance of the trees and wooded feel that their soon to blossom park naturally contained. 

One more thought, If it were possible how many of you would like trees inserted to block the view of the row of resorts down from Wildfire? Does this disturbance of the natural view set the theme on its side a little? It does for me.
I am not a tree hugger, but I am in awe of their natural beauty and hate to see them removed.

I agree with you on every level.  Hubs and I were just talking about this last week after our very short visit to the park.  If the integrity, feel, and culture of the park continues to gradually change, when do we quit attending?  I hope it doesn't get to the point that we no longer want to attend in order to remember the "feel" of it before the recent changes of the last few years. And, I don't mean additional rides, such as Outlaw Run, but the overall look and feel of the park.  I want to walk in feeling immersed in an 1880's mining town - not an amusement park!  We could go to several parks close to home if we wanted, but we don't!  We have little interest in visiting any other amusement park.  But, this one is special....when the special is no longer there, we won't be there.  It's not just my generation that feels this way.  My twenty something and thirty something kids feel the same way and commented on it after our last visit to the park together just a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 31, 2014, 03:22:37 PM
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Now it looks like they are clear-cutting and adding a few trees back in as landscaping. That is a huge difference for the feel and layout of the park

This procedure is what robs the authenticity in the very base of the theme.
Marking trees and working around them to retain was the "hard" way to do the job.  The end results however were without argument,  warm and inviting.  Now they are clear cutting and inserting non forest native trees. It shows.
Juxtapose / compare walking in nicely planned yard or gardens and walking in the woods.  Both are lovely but one feels much more adventurous and consuming.  Gardens come and go with the seasons but the woods stay wild and mysterious.   This creates a natural theme, I insist its the very basis of the theme that made us all fans of the park.

Although I keep hearing the GE mentioned I have yet to here anything other than the job they did is growing in well. I don't hear much "connection" to this area.  Its great for the kids but there is little character.  Theme and character have little to do with each other.

Possibly you have heard the story about Miss Mary and workers fired because of a cut tree.  She did not deem this necessary, the end result was a peace treaty lasagna dinner that she herself supplied to smooth things over and get those boys back to work. This reaffirms and supports the fact that the founders of the park knew the importance of the trees and wooded feel that their soon to blossom park naturally contained. 

One more thought, If it were possible how many of you would like trees inserted to block the view of the row of resorts down from Wildfire? Does this disturbance of the natural view set the theme on its side a little? It does for me.
I am not a tree hugger, but I am in awe of their natural beauty and hate to see them removed.

I agree with you on every level.  Hubs and I were just talking about this last week after our very short visit to the park.  If the integrity, feel, and culture of the park continues to gradually change, when do we quit attending?  I hope it doesn't get to the point that we no longer want to attend in order to remember the "feel" of it before the recent changes of the last few years. And, I don't mean additional rides, such as Outlaw Run, but the overall look and feel of the park.  I want to walk in feeling immersed in an 1880's mining town - not an amusement park!  We could go to several parks close to home if we wanted, but we don't!  We have little interest in visiting any other amusement park.  But, this one is special....when the special is no longer there, we won't be there.  It's not just my generation that feels this way.  My twenty something and thirty something kids feel the same way and commented on it after our last visit to the park together just a couple of years ago.

Look at it like this, If this was your first time going to SDC as a Family of 4 after only going to a couple of Six Flags parks as a teen and now a parent, does SDC offer what they would call a great departure from the Six Flags parks? I say that they still differentiate dramatically while at the same time offering most of what the Six Flags and Cedar Fair Park offers in terms of thrills.  SDC still has better shows, mostly better theming and overall better atmosphere over most of those parks. While SDC caught up with them through the Grand Expo, the others are catching up to SDC with their watered down versions of the River Blast (Six Flags is adding whats basically a flat ride sized version of a water cannon battle ride in many of their parks). The only thing SDC is missing is a couple of family coasters that fun for all and inversion free. The new one gets them on par with most all competition in the flat ride count and a form of shot/drop tower. What I've seen is that most real tall versions of these rides and swingers like WindSeekers seem to have all kind of issues on staying running whether mechanical or wind related. The draw back to SDC is that it's sister waterpark in subpar and detached from the Theme Park. I'm fine with it being an extra attraction but it needs to border SDC and I feel this is where SDC could really take the Tom and Huck theme to the max.

So in summary, I think SDC is striving to find a Busch Gardens Willaimsburg niche between the Six flags/Cedar Fairs and the Disney/Universals with their huge budgets in 4 seasons locations. And... that's something that's basically void in Middle America.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2014, 08:28:43 PM
Silver Dollar City will forever be this area's Disneyland.  It is head and shoulders above the other area parks in the areas of charm, atmosphere, and quality.  Shoot it even blows Dollywood out of the water in those fields.  Don't be so jaded about our park because you visit so much.  Some of you are sounding like some of those leftcoasters who think they own Disneyland and go through the parks and are like "OMG, there is one shingle missing on that roof, let's devote an entire blog posting to rant about it"

To Clarify: I am not making fun of any specific person here, I was just "tongue in cheek" reminding everyone to keep things in perspective.  We really do have a gem of a park and should be thankful to have it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
BTW: Mods let's split this current strand of discussion into a new post as it has nothing to do (really) with 2015 construction,

To clarify: I feel like it deserves its own thread as it is a good discussion and should continue elsewhere instead of being buried in this thread. (re: the current practice of clear cutting the trees vs the old practice of planning around the trees)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on May 31, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
BTW: Mods let's split this current strand of discussion into a new post as it has nothing to do (really) with 2015 construction

Other than the retreads, Zamperla flats?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 31, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
^^You noticed the missing shingle too???  I can't believe they allow such a thing to go without repair!  It ruined my entire visit, last week, distracting me so much from the theme that I suddenly found myself propelled back into the 21st Century.  The missing shingle clearly violates the theme, as it would have been fixed immediately by the hardworking hillfolk of the 19th Century.  We give the so-called hillbillies too little credit.  In their neglect the powers that be have demonstrated absolute disrespect for our forebears. :-*
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on May 31, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
Other than the retreads, Zamperla flats?

Last I heard, I total of 6 rides.  Honestly I don't see how they could fit much else in the area if you consider the size of the rides and their queue lines.

I am not sure on the manufacturer, but if I had to guess, Zamperla sounds about right.  So we know for sure there are 3 rides on the back lot.  (tower, balloons and lil swings).  I heard another ride showed up (not from CC) here recently.  So that's 4.  So maybe 2 new rides?  

Edit: Removed some verbage that offended
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on May 31, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Still theming the area or are they just going to stick in random rides?  This doesn't seem to go along very well with the concepts that were floated.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 01, 2014, 01:27:17 AM
Swoosh, you are so influential that because you do not care for another members opinion you call for the moderators to split off a topic?  I am offended at your boorish and "informed" attitude.  This is not the first time you have tried to run this show.  There are other members out here that share ideas that differ from you and that is why we are here; to discuss, consider, ponder and learn.
You have gone unchecked with your thinly veiled  snide comments and constant reminders that you have knowledge that others do not about the future of the park.
 Your self importance stands in the way of conversation.   If you know a better way to run this show then I suggest you  open forums on your website that you consistently plug and you can have a field day.  If you do intend to continue to participate in the conversation then do so without this attitude.  I am not the only person that feels this way. It has been discussed and we will keep it at that.  If I have an opinion about the way they are tending the park then I have the right to express it without your intervention, do not ask others be split off from the topic because although it is discussing the project it isn't what you deem necessary or important.  It is offensive and closed minded.

If this is too strong of an opinion for this forum then I respectfully request that this AND all of your comments claiming to have knowledge you have " not decided" to release be removed as well as the references to what the park "will allow you" to release be removed.  Please add to that list the many snide and disrespecful retorts to differing opinions.

Now lets grow up and get on with the discussion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 01, 2014, 08:27:19 AM
Enough, don't jump down someone's throat because you don't like their perceived attitude. It is too easy to take way more out of an internet comment than the poster intended. I am the one who decides what is acceptable on this forum and you'll notice I'm fine with discussing all of the side impacts and implications of this project in this thread to a certain point (considering I'm usually the one who points them out). That's enough back seat moderating from everyone.

Anyhow, for what it's worth I've been told that the theming of this area will look good by people who would know. I don't know what that means, but I trust them and SDC to come up with something interesting. I still think TGS and RiverBlast, and HDH did a great job of bringing SDC character into the modern age, so I don't have too many worries as of yet. Stuff like the way they handle trees is worth noting, but its not going to be worth really complaining about unless the final product falls short of the SDC standard.

I'd be surprised if they fit 6 rides in there. I was guessing four rides including the shot tower, partly based on the tubes that are sticking up right now. That depends on what they do with the existing structures though I guess...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Still theming the area or are they just going to stick in random rides?  This doesn't seem to go along very well with the concepts that were floated.

Yep.  There is a theme for the new area.  I am honestly anxious to see how they pull it off with the line up of rides (that we know for certain already).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 01, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
If the balloons are among the rides, and if they are going with one of the concepts presented in the survey, then the theme must be flight.  I suspect they are going to stray from that theme, though.  With the other rides, I suppose some modifications could be made to fit the other themes, but with the balloons...?  They just don't fit with firefighting or fireworks.  Flight also would allow for a zipline of sorts from the WB tower.  I would hate for them to destroy such a majestic structure when it lends itself so well to other purposes - unless, that it, there are structural issues.

That said, I think there is more room in there than people are thinking - especially if they butt everything against the train tracks on one side and the lake on the other.  And I would love to see that Greedy Bros. monstrosity removed from the lake!  Or are the water guns going to remain?  Too much to speculate about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on June 01, 2014, 02:15:03 PM
They dedicated Outlaw Run to Law Enforcement... So I'm calling the Fire Fighting theme with another dedication... And with Zamperlas vast theme options I bet we can see some run of the mill kiddie rides with a fire theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 01, 2014, 08:48:33 PM
I'm still thinking we get a Zamperla Air Race, I would be interested in how they theme it. I've posted examples before.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 01, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
I would love to have an Air Race at the park.  I think it would almost need a Steam Punk theme for it to "work" but it would be awesome.  They could also utilize a raised ride platform to save space (as in put the queue underneath).

We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh and Hollywood, that's as good a guess as I have heard.  Would make sense to honor another public service branch and even if that is not the theme of the area, could see them adding another monument over by FITH for them.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 01, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
I would love to have an Air Race at the park.  I think it would almost need a Steam Punk theme for it to "work" but it would be awesome.  They could also utilize a raised ride platform to save space (as in put the queue underneath).

We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh and Hollywood, that's as good a guess as I have heard.  Would make sense to honor another public service branch and even if that is not the theme of the area, could see them adding another monument over by FITH for them.

Yep, yep.. just like Tivoli Gardens
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293067_10152875836935220_1966111257_n.jpg)

If it's a fire dept theme, here's a Zamperla kiddie ride that's fire related
(http://zamperla.com/public/product/big/aqua-rides/firebrigade_main.jpg)

Where's Celebration City's version of this kiddie jump ride that seated 6, although it's basically the same concept of the high low silos:
(http://zamperla.com/public/product/big/tower-rides/jumpin16_main.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BobKrause on June 02, 2014, 06:50:10 AM
I would love to have an Air Race at the park.  I think it would almost need a Steam Punk theme for it to "work" but it would be awesome. 

I'd consider Doc Harris to be Hillbilly Steampunk. ;-)

I was watching Heroes of Cosplay one evening last week, and I woke up later that night from a crazy dream thinking that Branson needed to have a Doc Harris Steampunk Cosplay Event at the Convention Center.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 03, 2014, 08:11:20 AM
I an curious if they are removing GG where will the playground be?  SDC has always had a playground area for the kids to burn off steam.  Do the kids of today not want an area like GG? I seem to notice there are always plenty of kids in the area taking advantage of the activities. Half Dollar does not compare as it is geared to little ones.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 03, 2014, 09:35:20 AM
I an curious if they are removing GG where will the playground be?  SDC has always had a playground area for the kids to burn off steam.  Do the kids of today not want an area like GG? I seem to notice there are always plenty of kids in the area taking advantage of the activities. Half Dollar does not compare as it is geared to little ones.  Any ideas?

I've checking out some of the new Whitewater West play structures with ropes and even integrated zip line, interesting stuff.
http://www.whitewaterattractions.com/no_boundaries.html#!prettyPhoto
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 03, 2014, 03:15:39 PM
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I've checking out some of the new Whitewater West play structures with ropes and even integrated zip line, interesting stuff.
These folks may have been the Adventure Mountain builders at Dollywood, looks similar.
It may be a thought, even for the existing tower.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on June 03, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
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I've checking out some of the new Whitewater West play structures with ropes and even integrated zip line, interesting stuff.
These folks may have been the Adventure Mountain builders at Dollywood, looks similar.
It may be a thought, even for the existing tower.


I think they did, I know they did the Stone Mountain structure and Geyser Gulch I believe they did as well throught their Prime subsidiary. Since they have bought out Hopkins water rides, it's all under one umbrella. Waterwater has done the two most recent waterpark additions for HFE, the water coaster at Dollywood and the new slide at White Water.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 04, 2014, 09:24:53 AM
mhguy brought up Boatworks Theater in the Where in the City thread.  With the changes to the area - the front of the barn, the GG changes, the reboundarying of GE - isn't it time to rename Boatworks?  It's not on the Lost River, and it's up from the lake enough that the only way BW was close to "boats" was when the WB was open.  I think it could be given a little bit of a makeover and have a change of name to blend in with the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 04, 2014, 05:13:08 PM
Very possibly a make over. The building is showing it's age.
I foresee that entire area changing. Toy store included. I sure could be wrong but it
Seems like they are not up keeping these specific buildings this year, much like the lack of upkeep at GG. Paint peeling ect
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 04, 2014, 06:28:28 PM
Toy store got a new roof -- not sure how that is not keeping it up.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on June 05, 2014, 07:05:56 AM
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Toy store got a new roof -- not sure how that is not keeping it up.

It very well may have a new roof but take a look at the decor on the outside of the building, solder, barrel full of toys on top etc.  They are looking a little rough.  Nothing is falling apart but they do not look like they are being well maintained.    I would hate to see the wisteria canopy disappear but progress marches on.   My other suspicion is the bottleneck that is there at the toy store.  Only time will tell, it is great fun to speculate. :)  During the 2012 Coaster Christmas event I asked a few of the park representatives when they were going to put restrooms in that area because of the distance from the other facilities.  They  replied that it was not in the plans specifically because the infrastructure ( pipes) were across the street at riverblast.  As it turned out they opened a new facility there at the entrance to the farm area.  Sometimes plans change.  There is a bottle neck at the entrance of the toy store that will probably open up in one way or another.  Because of the tight quarters in this area it seems to propel the crowd forward instead of driving them into the shop itself. It is not a place to linger but a place to keep on the move.  Maybe if this were more open they would wander a bit more in the area.
   All we can do is speculate wait and see.  Its a lot of fun to compare what we think is inevitable and compare it to the final product.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on June 05, 2014, 09:03:15 AM

  
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I would hate to see the wisteria canopy disappear but progress marches on.
   
Me too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
The Toy Store building will remain.  The Wisteria cover is still up in the air, but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on June 05, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
Any chance SDC will purchase another S&S tower to pair with the used one from Celebration City? I'm just thinking the capacity of only one tower might be a little bit of a problem for SDC. Most large parks that have these rides, have multiple towers...but then again, with all the other rides going into the area the single tower ride capacity might not be an issue.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2014, 01:17:19 PM
One could/would hope, but I'd say the chances are pretty low.  After reading your post I was trying to think of "larger parks" that only have one tower and I am having trouble of thinking of any.  I know that Adventureland, Indiana Beach, and Holiday World have single towers, but they're smaller parks.  Come to think of it, I believe only Worlds of Fun and the Great Escape are the only parks with 2 towers... I'm not counting Dorney even though it technically is only towers with a "dummy" 3rd tower.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 05, 2014, 01:41:28 PM
Most parks market S&S towers as major attractions. I think they're going to try and blend this one into the area rather than having it stand out as a major attraction in and of itself. It will be marketed as a family ride, which it certainly can be.

I am also interested to see how the area leading into GG changes next year. We already know the challenges the park faces with updating various things to bring them into compliance with ADA and modern visitors expectations while also upholding the SDC atmosphere and charm.   It would make sense to relocate or rebuild the toy store at some point as more and more young families are attracted to the park, but the old building is certainly a classic part of SDC. I don't know though, usually they end up cutting back on things as projects move into reality, and I can't see them doing too much outside of the core project area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 05, 2014, 06:52:03 PM
I disagree with moving the Toy Store.  With the added foot traffic to this area (and there will be much more when this area opens) it would make sense that the store will get more traffic as well.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 06, 2014, 12:35:49 AM
I miss the days when the only talk of a "shot tower", was the wooden tower on Main Street where molten lead was dropped into water to form shot for a shotgun.

Shot tower currently at PK:
(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/5415671.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/6680270.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 16, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
Has no one been to the park lately?

There is a ride foundation already formed on the lot -- closest to the entrance to GG
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 16, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
I assumed we would hear something when construction started, didn't think it would be this soon. Photos, even quick cell phone shots, are highly appreciated for anyone who will visit soon, or at any point throughout the rest of the season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
We have confirmation of a second ride foundation now in place - back in the area closest to the restrooms. 

Wish we could see some blue prints.  Any guesses on what ride it might be for?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on June 19, 2014, 08:18:47 PM
^^^ The return of the baloons?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on June 19, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Zamperla Crazy Bus transformed into a classic fire truck?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 19, 2014, 08:50:13 PM
^A themed crazy bus wouldn't be so bad, but it would definitely need to be a fire wagon akin to whats on the main square vs. a 1930's fire truck. That's the scary thing about the park buying these off-the-shelf flat rides, they typically come in a small selection of shells and custom orders can get expensive and tedious real quick. As always, I'm hoping they realize how much their customers appreciate the finer details and don't just plop down what's easiest to get.

We need photos of these new developments! If anyone is visiting soon, a quick pic of anything new would be awesome and greatly appreciated.

How big are these foundations?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wood Warrior on June 19, 2014, 09:18:47 PM
I hope they do with the Fireworks Factory theme. They already have a firefighter themed ride (Fire in the Hole) and Wildfire's theme is very similar to the Wonders of Flight concept. I hope some type of family coaster is included in the expansion, but I doubt that will happen. Maybe next year  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 19, 2014, 11:01:26 PM
The return of the ballons?

Unless they open up the area - there isn't enough room back there for the Balloons.  Now the original footer that I spoke of.  I could see it going there.


Zamperla Crazy Bus transformed into a classic fire truck?

Shifts eyes.  What are you talking about sir?

How big are these foundations?

The one near the entrance to GG looks to be a larger foundation.  If I had to guess it is probably a full-scale ride.  Maybe the balloons?  I don't have anything to confirm that, just my speculation.

The new one back by the restrooms is smaller.  I'm guessing it is for a kiddie ride.  Not a clue  which one it could be at this time - we know of at least 3(?) sitting off stage and it could be any of those (or something that hasn't arrived yet)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 19, 2014, 11:19:00 PM
One is a catapult launch site; the larger one is for the catch net.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 20, 2014, 01:11:23 AM
One is a catapult launch site; the larger one is for the catch net.

 :-* ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on June 20, 2014, 09:26:30 AM
I managed to snap a couple shots yesterday but not many as I was trying to keep track of my niece in GG. I didn't see the foundation over by the bathrooms. With this being an all new children's area, I'm kind of surprised the shot tower is going in there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on June 20, 2014, 09:29:18 AM
One more...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 20, 2014, 11:16:43 AM
Awesome! Thanks so much for the photos mammalone.

Looks like even more has been cleared out since my visit in May. Now there's no trees separating the area from the tracks across much of the site. Seems like they want all of that area to be concrete judging from all of the gravel spread over it. Will they build new play areas over this part of it? Or maybe some other type of structure? I can't see why they would clear it like that if it was just going to be rides right there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on June 20, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
I just thought since we are all in agreeance that it's a Zamperla package, and HFE has a crazy bus sitting in Valdost(removed in 2012 I believe) then it would fit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on June 20, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
Looking forward to seeing the area develop. Thanks for the photos, and keep them coming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Willzillaross on June 22, 2014, 03:26:48 PM
I was at the park yesterday and they announced that an official announcement about the addition will be made public in August.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 22, 2014, 04:10:53 PM
Such a lack of communication with this bunch!  Why wasn't I told there would be an announcement about the announcement?  You'd think they would make an announcement about such a thing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on June 22, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
So basically they'll announce the new area as soon as the Summer Festival ends -- kind of what we've been saying all the long
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 30, 2014, 02:25:12 AM
All the talk is making me long for the days when the lake was "natural".  I found this picture, tonight.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/8859580.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on June 30, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
Thank, History Buff...the above photo would be from about 1984, when the Greedy Brothers plyed the lake and Rube and Jr. Were still looking for silver with the diving bell. Memories...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 30, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
As long as they are giving that side of the lake a facelift, I just wonder if they will remove or replace that lake structure.  It has been there, now with awful paint colors, for far too long, but I know how many things are still around that once were other things.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on June 30, 2014, 10:27:39 PM
From the tangent discussion on the trip reports thread plus what's been discussed here recently, I'm getting the feeling that we are leaning away from expecting a major zamperla package like the Grand Exposition was. Instead, we know that the S&S double shot from Celebration City is coming, the Lil' Swings are apparently up in the air, there's a strong rumor that the balloons are still sitting in the backlot and could make a come-back, and HFEC has a couple of random old rides from other properties that could come over.

That's not what I would have expected, apart from the S&S double shot. I am still holding out hope that the park is buying a small package of brand new Zamperla rides with a custom theming package worthy of this park's fame, but we'll see what happens. Refurbished rides can be just as good, it still comes down to the implementation.

I still don't understand why the lil' swings would be moving though. It doesn't make sense that they would just move a ride across the park, when it served a purpose in it's old area. Why cannibalize one section of the park that's still pretty new for another? Are they doing something with the old space? It still doesn't make sense to me at all.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on June 30, 2014, 10:35:40 PM
Getting the swings out of there would make sense if people didn't use them.  The swings are a problem, though, just like the Ladybugs - they are rides for preschoolers that can't be ridden with their parents - not exactly family friendly.

A ball pit or splash pad in the Li'l Swings area would make sense.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
Getting the swings out of there would make sense if people didn't use them.  The swings are a problem, though, just like the Ladybugs - they are rides for preschoolers that can't be ridden with their parents - not exactly family friendly.

A ball pit or splash pad in the Li'l Swings area would make sense.



Good thoughts there History. A complaint is that there's not much to the play structure there, a ball pit would be a hit along with a splash pad. Helps bring it closer to the area it kinda replaced.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2014, 06:52:45 PM
SPOILER ALERT!

The new name for the area is now online if you know where to look.
PLEASE DO NOT POST IT HERE WHEN YOU FIND IT - there are a lot of readers on here that get pretty upset when you "ruin Christmas" for them by revealing things before "they're ready" -- but I know a lot of you like to peel back the wrapping paper (so to speak) and see what's inside before you are allowed to open the entire new gift.

So again, the name is online - go find it if you need to know. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2014, 08:18:27 PM
That's kind of like telling me to look in the dictionary to find the correct spelling of a word.  If I don't know how to spell the word, how can I look it up in the dictionary?

Any hints on search terms, Swoosh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2014, 08:27:06 PM
Hints?  LOL.  This coming from the guy who runs "Where in the City?"

Hint 1: It won't be found on Google.
Hint 2: It won't be found on your usual coaster news sites OR my site
Hint 3: Who owns the name?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 01, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
I agree.  The good news for this site is that every search I have done has sent me to this thread first.  The bad news is I still can't find it and if I can't find it on Google I'm screwed.  Lol!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 01, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
Moreover from the fact that some people don't like to have the surprise spoiled from them, I'm not a huge fan of spoiling announcements for the park either. Now, obviously I like to engage in a lot of pointed speculation and we often pretty much figure things out before the announcements, but there's a fine line between solving the puzzle and just exploiting misplaced files or legal filings. I still feel bad about the fact that the Outlaw Run announcement was leaked early on this site. I know it ticked off the park and made us look really bad.

I will clarify in our "rules" later tonight about what not to post in these situations. I'm on the fence about a lot of it myself.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
 :-X

Hint 3: Who owns the name?

Herschend Family Entertainment Corporation CORPORATION MISSOURI 399 Indian Point Road Branson MISSOURI 65616
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2014, 08:50:03 PM
Hints?  LOL.  This coming from the guy who runs "Where in the City?"

 :P  I was just advocating for other people, of course.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Moreover from the fact that some people don't like to have the surprise spoiled from them, I'm not a huge fan of spoiling announcements for the park either. Now, obviously I like to engage in a lot of pointed speculation and we often pretty much figure things out before the announcements, but there's a fine line between solving the puzzle and just exploiting misplaced files or legal filings. I still feel bad about the fact that the Outlaw Run announcement was leaked early on this site. I know it ticked off the park and made us look really bad.

I will clarify in our "rules" later tonight about what not to post in these situations. I'm on the fence about a lot of it myself.

when it came to those images, they had no one to blame but themselves.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2014, 09:05:15 PM
Moreover from the fact that some people don't like to have the surprise spoiled from them, I'm not a huge fan of spoiling announcements for the park either. Now, obviously I like to engage in a lot of pointed speculation and we often pretty much figure things out before the announcements, but there's a fine line between solving the puzzle and just exploiting misplaced files or legal filings. I still feel bad about the fact that the Outlaw Run announcement was leaked early on this site. I know it ticked off the park and made us look really bad.

I will clarify in our "rules" later tonight about what not to post in these situations. I'm on the fence about a lot of it myself.

when it came to those images, they had no one to blame but themselves.

So again, when you find them (and Shave pretty much told you where you can find them) DO NOT POST THE NAME ON HERE.

Also it was leaked on TPR before here -- including the layout.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
:-X

Hint 3: Who owns the name?

Herschend Family Entertainment Corporation CORPORATION MISSOURI 399 Indian Point Road Branson MISSOURI 65616

Actually in this case it is: Silver Dollar City, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY MISSOURI Suite 200 5445 Triangle Parkway Norcross GEORGIA 30092
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
:-X

Hint 3: Who owns the name?

Herschend Family Entertainment Corporation CORPORATION MISSOURI 399 Indian Point Road Branson MISSOURI 65616

Actually in this case it is: Silver Dollar City, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY MISSOURI Suite 200 5445 Triangle Parkway Norcross GEORGIA 30092

not a fan
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
Really could be more creative  :-\
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 01, 2014, 09:33:18 PM
Yeah, I thought so too.  I had heard 3 different possible names tossed around and all of them were about on part with this one. 

You do have to admit, it is straight to the point.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Willzillaross on July 01, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
 :-\  Hmm...not sure how I feel about this one.

Welp, only time will tell if it lives up to the Silver Dollar City name.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Everything will pan out.  I don't think the current structure will be completely dismantled though.  It should only get a facelift.  It will be nice to have a new, more appropriate, color scheme.  Many of the current features will be simple to retool into a new theme, as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Willzillaross on July 01, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
I don't think the current structure will be completely dismantled though.  It should only get a facelift.  It will be nice to have a new, more appropriate, color scheme.  Many of the current features will be simple to retool into a new theme, as well.

I would hope they wouldn't try to remove too much of the current structure. I attended the park before the days of GG, as much as I miss the days before GG, the Town Hall structure has become an iconic building for the park IMO.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
I don't think the current structure will be completely dismantled though.  It should only get a facelift.  It will be nice to have a new, more appropriate, color scheme.  Many of the current features will be simple to retool into a new theme, as well.

I would hope they wouldn't try to remove too much of the current structure. I attended the park before the days of GG, as much as I miss the days before GG, the Town Hall structure has become an iconic building for the park IMO.


I don't think they are, the concept art is pretty telling on this one.

looking back at the concept art, it sure looks like Zamperla will be in the house in some way
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 01, 2014, 10:49:51 PM
I like it.  I think it will be great for kids.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 01, 2014, 10:55:36 PM
Here's the concepts again

(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34480.jpg)
(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34347.jpg)
(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34479.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 01, 2014, 11:13:32 PM
And possible rides:

(http://www.keysurvey.com/User/85/85546/media/34/34478.png)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 02, 2014, 07:48:18 AM
Now that the story has been broken by others, I think we can go ahead and discuss it. No reason to pretend it's not already out there for another month. I've thought it over some more, and I decided that it's OK to talk about trademark filings as long as it doesn't disrupt an on-going or planned teaser campaign or publicity effort. Really I just want to avoid the Outlaw Run situation in the future, but that's a discussion for later.

The Fireman's theme has apparently been selected with the area more than likely being dubbed "Fireman's Landing". Still comes down to implementation, and I've heard both encouraging and discouraging things about the rumored plans. The only thing that sticks in my mind with this theme is the question of whether it was chosen in order to continue HFEC's recent trend of building monuments and pandering to various services. One one hand, it's pretty cool for them as a large public space to acknowledge the services, but on the other hand it comes off as pandering at some point. We'll see how it turns out.

At least we don't have to worry about any airplanes in the park.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2014, 08:02:14 AM
Quote
At least we don't have to worry about any airplanes in the park.

I wonder how the Balloons will figure into the theme? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 02, 2014, 08:19:44 AM
Now that the story has been broken by others, I think we can go ahead and discuss it. No reason to pretend it's not already out there for another month. I've thought it over some more, and I decided that it's OK to talk about trademark filings as long as it doesn't disrupt an on-going or planned teaser campaign or publicity effort. Really I just want to avoid the Outlaw Run situation in the future, but that's a discussion for later.

The Fireman's theme has apparently been selected with the area more than likely being dubbed "Fireman's Landing". Still comes down to implementation, and I've heard both encouraging and discouraging things about the rumored plans. The only thing that sticks in my mind with this theme is the question of whether it was chosen in order to continue HFEC's recent trend of building monuments and pandering to various services. One one hand, it's pretty cool for them as a large public space to acknowledge the services, but on the other hand it comes off as pandering at some point. We'll see how it turns out.

At least we don't have to worry about any airplanes in the park.  ::)

It's good that you mentioned the obvious pandering with last two HFE projects. Firechaser at Dolly did as well. If this introduces more modern vehicles like fire trucks instead of wagons, I'm going to be really sad. Wonder what kind of dalmatian ride we get ( if that's  still part of it) the one HE posted in that ride picture or one later on that was pitched when Outlaw Run was.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pudgy Jones on July 02, 2014, 09:31:45 AM
If anyone from the park is reading this...please no fire trucks!! There were no trucks in the Ozarks in the 1880's! The concept art shows a fire truck ride, and that worries me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 02, 2014, 09:36:19 AM
We definitely do not want more modern, "self-propelled" vehicles to be introduced into the City.  More and more, it is an 1880s town...that has been dug up by archaeologists and adapted at their whim.

And I can't see why we want to ride on dogs; a dog is not an animal meant to be ridden (if that is the idea).

I suppose the launch will be a fire pole.

The balloons no longer fit this theme unless they have different vehicles to attach to the arms.  The concept says something about a bucket brigade ride, but pictures buckets with balls.  If this is a ride, I guess the balloons could be changed to buckets.

I think this will allow them to include the current hoses, ball-play area, and climbing structure, which means more chipped and faded paint every year.  If the "island" in the lake is retained, it would be cool to have real fire on it.

Hopefully there is still some element that is a new purchase and not just recycled rides.

For what its worth, they could have retained the "Gulch" part of the name (i.e., Fireman's Gulch).  The Landing thing is overused.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 02, 2014, 10:23:33 AM
This sounds like it is a lazy, unimaginative addition to the park.  Use recycled rides, fail to keep it in 1880's theme, etc.  I don't think we're going to be very impressed.  I hope I'm wrong but I won't hold my breath.

It's sad this is where SDC is going.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 02, 2014, 10:55:47 AM
Whoa there, let's try not to get ahead of ourselves here. Nothing has been announced yet. We know nothing for certain about this development other than the fact that a trademark has been file and there are pieces of an old double shot on site. Most of what SDC has done in the past decade has turned out pretty great, even if there are tiny aspects here and there that diverge from the old ways. They still display a tremendous amount of imagination and effort. We don't need to dog the park before we even know what they're doing.

If they do indeed put something in the new area that actually puts a damper on the SDC experience, it will be worth pointing out, but we have to avoid nitpicking.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on July 02, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
This sounds like it is a lazy, unimaginative addition to the park.  Use recycled rides, fail to keep it in 1880's theme, etc.  I don't think we're going to be very impressed.  I hope I'm wrong but I won't hold my breath.

It's sad this is where SDC is going.

Agre, And also agree with Shave about all the pandering to special groups. I wish they had taken all this money and refurbished a few of the older attractions and saved the space for something major in the future.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 02, 2014, 11:42:24 AM
Whoa there, let's try not to get ahead of ourselves here. Nothing has been announced yet. We know nothing for certain about this development other than the fact that a trademark has been file and there are pieces of an old double shot on site. Most of what SDC has done in the past decade has turned out pretty great, even if there are tiny aspects here and there that diverge from the old ways. They still display a tremendous amount of imagination and effort. We don't need to dog the park before we even know what they're doing.

If they do indeed put something in the new area that actually puts a damper on the SDC experience, it will be worth pointing out, but we have to avoid nitpicking.

I think the fear here is that Silver Dollar City will undergo a Dollywoodization without the name change. That’s basically losing the period theming while keeping SDC name all in an attempt to.recreate the success of Dollywood while not allowing SDC to grow on it's own merits.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 02, 2014, 12:21:09 PM
Whoa there, let's try not to get ahead of ourselves here. Nothing has been announced yet. We know nothing for certain about this development other than the fact that a trademark has been file and there are pieces of an old double shot on site. Most of what SDC has done in the past decade has turned out pretty great, even if there are tiny aspects here and there that diverge from the old ways. They still display a tremendous amount of imagination and effort. We don't need to dog the park before we even know what they're doing.

If they do indeed put something in the new area that actually puts a damper on the SDC experience, it will be worth pointing out, but we have to avoid nitpicking.

I think the fear here is that Silver Dollar City will undergo a Dollywoodization without the name change. That’s basically losing the period theming while keeping SDC name all in an attempt to.recreate the success of Dollywood while not allowing SDC to grow on it's own merits.

That's certainly been the concern for awhile now, but I don't think this is the right time or place to wring our hands over it. Lets wait till we see the actual pitch, then if something is really going to devalue the park we can make some pointed complaints that will have more weight to them. There's a tendency in threads like this which I want to avoid in that we essentially come off as whining all the time if we don't get a picture perfect representation of what Mary Herschend would do. I'll be just as unhappy as anyone if they plop something fake and generic right out in front of this development, but they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 02, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
I agree with shave.  Lots of people were less than impressed with Half Dollar Hollar when it was in this stage of development.  While I know most people that frequent this board still have no interest in it, they themed it well for it being a tree house.  The park is never going to be How mary Herschend would have had it.  Those days are gone.  I hope that we don't have fire trucks and I'm a bit hesitant about riding Dalmatians.  Lol!  But let's see what they have in store before declaring the area a loss. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2014, 10:14:24 PM
Unless something has changed recently - we won't be riding dalmatians in this area.

Guys, I know that a lot of you are underwhelmed by this addition - but using rides that are storage is actually really smart.  It saves money that can be later applied to a larger addition (which right now is looking to be 2016).  

Also be taking as many photos of the GG buildings and stuff as you can -- it sounds like it is ALL coming down.  AND with that in mind, throw that concept art out that you have posted, it won't look anything like that other than theme.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Willzillaross on July 02, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
First, thank you for keeping us in focus. I think we should still assume good will on SDC's part. So far, they've done a really good job.  :D

Honestly, I think we could still see a mashup of a few of these ideas that were tested or maybe even something totally different. Fireman could be one part of a larger idea. Personally, if they do go with a big Fireman theme, I hope to see something more complex than just SDC Fire Station #2 with a big red GG.  Maybe the fireworks factory is on fire and the SDC fire crew came to save the day?

By the way: I really like idea of "Fireman's Gulch"!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Willzillaross on July 02, 2014, 10:19:20 PM
Also be taking as many photos of the GG buildings and stuff as you can -- it sounds like it is ALL coming down.  AND with that in mind, throw that concept art out that you have posted, it won't look anything like that other than theme.

If this ends up being true, then i'm kind of disappointed. I feel like the GG Town Hall is iconic for the park at this point for at least the modern generation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 02, 2014, 10:21:14 PM
I only wish we could see what they were going to do before buying a seasons pass.  It really does make a difference on the number of trips I will make.  Honestly trips are getting less and less frequent with Kayaking and other things picking up the time.  I think its the departure from traditions that offset the load on the boat if you will.  
However respecting Shaves comments I will wait to see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Except for the fact that it has NOTHING to do with the 1880s theme.
If anything, people who call "foul" all the time on the park "breaking the theme" should be dancing around with joy
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 02, 2014, 10:25:48 PM
I only wish we could see what they were going to do before buying a seasons pass.

They are announcing well before season pass renewals.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 02, 2014, 10:40:34 PM
First, thank you for keeping us in focus. I think we should still assume good will on SDC's part. So far, they've done a really good job.  :D

Honestly, I think we could still see a mashup of a few of these ideas that were tested or maybe even something totally different. Fireman could be one part of a larger idea. Personally, if they do go with a big Fireman theme, I hope to see something more complex than just SDC Fire Station #2 with a big red GG.  Maybe the fireworks factory is on fire and the SDC fire crew came to save the day?

By the way: I really like idea of "Fireman's Gulch"!

Trademark it and offer to sell it to SDC ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 02, 2014, 11:07:16 PM
Except for the fact that it has NOTHING to do with the 1880s theme.
If anything, people who call "foul" all the time on the park "breaking the theme" should be dancing around with joy

I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you're saying here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 03, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
Except for the fact that it has NOTHING to do with the 1880s theme.
If anything, people who call "foul" all the time on the park "breaking the theme" should be dancing around with joy

I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

The facade to Geyser Gulch has nothing to do with the 1880s.  Especially the garish color pallet.  We constantly hear on here about "declining by degrees" of the theme at SDC.  Why aren't those who carry the banner for that thought cheering that something that breaks the theme is going away?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2014, 12:28:48 AM
That's kinda what I say.  The colors are 1980s, not 1880s (though I can't believe you actually used the word garish).  The noises that come from it are obnoxious, and the whole thing never made since.  Is it a gulch, or is it a treehouse?  How could it be both?  It doesn't look like either!

I'm thrilled GG leaving, but I'm surprised they are not simply retheming it and placing rides behind it.

By the way, the WB tower could still be incorporated in the new area as a fire watch tower.  They could "easily" upcharge with a huge rock climbing wall, rappelling, and a zip line coming off of it.

And finally, I'm surprised they would call it "Fireman's..." instead of the PC "Firefighter's..."
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on July 03, 2014, 07:19:53 AM
Quote
The facade to Geyser Gulch has nothing to do with the 1880s.  Especially the garish color pallet.  We constantly hear on here about "declining by degrees" of the theme at SDC.  Why aren't those who carry the banner for that thought cheering that something that breaks the theme is going away?

Your idea was not clear to me either in your first statement but I do agree with you after the explanation.  They could improve the area to get it more into theme.  Lets see if they do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 03, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
Women (for the most part) were not Firefighters in the 1880s.  Nor was that term used.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 03, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
I can remember the 1st time my family and I went to SDC after GG had opened. My mom, dad, grandmother and me turned the corner by the Boatworks Theatre and my jaw drooped! As an 8 or 9 year old kid, it was VERY impressive. The bright colors, the water cannons, the tall treehouses...it was shocking to see for the very 1st time. I had a few good times in there, but I was entering an age that was really past what GG had to offer me. Tom Sawyers Landing was and always will be my playground. Fast forward years later, my Wife and I have taken our nieces to GG, and it was kinda nerve-racking having them run around in there.
With all that being said, yes it was impressive when I was young, but it doesn't fit the theme. With it coming down, hopefully it will open up the lake area, and make it more visible to enjoy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2014, 12:24:45 PM
Women (for the most part) were not Firefighters in the 1880s.  Nor was that term used.

Agreed.  I wouldn't like it, but these days I'm still surprised they wouldn't use the more PC term.


If not "Gulch", how about "Fireman's Ridge"?  If it's "Landing", shouldn't there be a fire boat in the lake?  Now that could be an interesting addition.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 03, 2014, 12:30:05 PM
I know that GE is supposed to be a "World's Fair" theme. I wish they would do the new area more like an 1880's county fair. I think back to the movie "Tom Sawyer" I watched as a kid.  Picnic area. Fireworks show. Watermelon eating contest. Throw the balloon ride in there for good measure.  Maybe use the shot tower with the Fireworks factory theme. Anyway that is the direction I would go with it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 03, 2014, 05:41:46 PM
Maybe we can be rid of these strange little eggs in and on the banks of the lake.
I've not yet discovered the creature that lays these garish treasures.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/4491192.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9986831.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on July 03, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
Maybe we can be rid of these strange little eggs in and on the banks of the lake.
I've not yet discovered the creature that lays these garish treasures.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/4491192.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9986831.jpg)

From the species with  the Latin name Badaimitrons. They do not reproduce unless they are fertilized with a touch from a wax hand.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 04, 2014, 12:24:42 AM
👍 somebody likes my choice of the word "garish"
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 04, 2014, 12:42:29 AM
What can I say?  I love words, and you're one garish individual.  I'm going to try to make it my new buzzword at school, this year.  I can drive the other teachers crazy with it...which is what I do well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Madtwins on July 04, 2014, 08:31:44 AM
The big kid inside of me is screaming nooooo don't take GG , but I'm anxious to see what will take its place
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 04, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Maybe we can be rid of these strange little eggs in and on the banks of the lake.
I've not yet discovered the creature that lays these garish treasures.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/4491192.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9986831.jpg)

From the species with  the Latin name Badaimitrons. They do not reproduce unless they are fertilized with a touch from a wax hand.

Wow.  This is new information to me...and it makes me wary of getting one of those wax hands!

I wonder if the Badaimitrons are endangered and nearing extinction due to the municipal encroachment that threatens the elimination of their garish habitat.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 05, 2014, 09:55:58 AM
Sad to me the Dugan Clan probably won't be a part of the new area by the lake. I am excited to see what develops.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 05, 2014, 04:46:30 PM
Photo Update from July 4th
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/07.04/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on July 06, 2014, 08:42:11 PM
Thanks for the pictures and update, Swoosh!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 07, 2014, 12:10:20 AM
While Shoosh beat me to the punch (with his much better photos) I still want to make a contribution (trying to prove my worth) with my cell phone pics taken from GG.

These are from July 4th as well.

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122335.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122335.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122530.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122530.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122537.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122537.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122608.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122608.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122648.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122648.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_122759.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_122759.jpg.html)

(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/oklahomaue/20140703_123104.jpg) (http://s593.photobucket.com/user/oklahomaue/media/20140703_123104.jpg.html)

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on July 07, 2014, 12:31:24 AM
& sorry Swoosh I slipped up & spelled your name wrong.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 07, 2014, 08:38:44 AM
The largest footer might be for the Balloons? I seem to remember that taking up a good deal of real estate.

I'm curious about the buildings going in near the train tracks, I wonder if that will be for more games like in GE or actually something of worth like a craftsman demonstration or gift shop?

I would love to see a sit-down restaurant built near Lake Silver since GG is coming down.

Eh, just my ideas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 07, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
Thanks Swoosh and others for posting the pictures and reports.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on July 08, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
I just can't seem to find the information on the 2015 project. Is it on the HFE website? Reading this forum I pretty much know what it is but was curious to read more on it. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 08, 2014, 04:32:23 PM
Nothing has been released yet, jbb.  All we know is what we read right here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 08, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Go to the US PATENT & TRADEMARK site.
Run a basic search with Silver Dollar City as the owner of the trademark and then you'll have the name and latest info on that process.

If you're wanting details on the land, you're SOL until August at the earliest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: rubedugans on July 08, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
Interesting, I ever knew you could search for those things!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on July 09, 2014, 12:45:19 PM
This sounds like it is a lazy, unimaginative addition to the park.  Use recycled rides, fail to keep it in 1880's theme, etc.  I don't think we're going to be very impressed.  I hope I'm wrong but I won't hold my breath.

It's sad this is where SDC is going.

Agre, And also agree with Shave about all the pandering to special groups. I wish they had taken all this money and refurbished a few of the older attractions and saved the space for something major in the future.
Me too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on July 09, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
Maybe we can be rid of these strange little eggs in and on the banks of the lake.
I've not yet discovered the creature that lays these garish treasures.

(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/4491192.jpg)(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/9986831.jpg)

From the species with  the Latin name Badaimitrons. They do not reproduce unless they are fertilized with a touch from a wax hand.



Wow.  This is new information to me...and it makes me wary of getting one of those wax hands!

I wonder if the Badaimitrons are endangered and nearing extinction due to the municipal encroachment that threatens the elimination of their garish habitat.

Keep in mind that after fertilization, the garish color begins to fade and they grow to basketball size proportion and can be seen bouncing around the grounds.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 09, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
you guys are too much :o
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 09, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
^^In that case, extinction must occur ASAP.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on July 13, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
Found the following link...#12 talks about SDC, #9 talks about the Iron Colossus rebuild by Rocky Mountain Construction (makers of Outlaw Run)...anyway, I know all this is probably old news, especially to Swoosh, but thought I'd share it anyway.
http://www.latimes.com/travel/themeparks/la-trb-top-15-us-2015-20140617-story.html#page=1
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 13, 2014, 02:09:52 PM
I know all this is probably old news, especially to Swoosh

 ;D :-*  lol


In other news -- can someone get out to the park soon?  I hear that there are markings of some sort in the construction area that may or may not be the lines of the buildings in the area.  I am tied down with Band Camp the rest of the month so cannot go do it myself.

Thanks
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Swoosh, I may be there this next sunday (20th)..  will check it out if I make it...

Otherwise my next scheduled trip is Car Show Weekend...  august 8-9-10
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 13, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
I know all this is probably old news, especially to Swoosh

 ;D :-*  lol


In other news -- can someone get out to the park soon?  I hear that there are markings of some sort in the construction area that may or may not be the lines of the buildings in the area.  I am tied down with Band Camp the rest of the month so cannot go do it myself.

Thanks

tied down at band camp, hmmmmm............

(http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/American_Pie_Michelle_450x350.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 13, 2014, 06:53:20 PM
Yeah because I've never heard that one before.  It's part of being a band director
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on July 14, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
^^ Now it all makes sense.  ;)

I think I'll be there later this week, I'll try and grab some shots.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 18, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Posting the announcement page link here.

http://www.silverdollarcity.com/five-alarm-announcement.aspx?icid=5alarm-hp-hero-5

It actually got me excited to see the neat photo they're using for the announcement page. Lots of cool looking stuff from the 1880's that the park has only begun to explore. I'm really excited for this announcement and still think SDC could very well knock this out of the park despite our doubts.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 19, 2014, 12:21:48 AM
You're right Shave, they did get the photo correct and it gives more hope.  Let's hope the real thing is as genuine!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 19, 2014, 04:13:12 PM
Banners have arrived in Geyser Gulch
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/07.19/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 19, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
Was in Branson this week for a softball tournament and spent a few days at the City. Today was packed and floods of people were coming in at 3:00 as we were leaving. Lots of great deals after 7:00...but we had to get back home.

Anyway, took some photos of the project site.....and video from the train too (http://youtu.be/LPK_c20gKg4). Here are the pictures:

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1051.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1051.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1052.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1052.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1053.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1053.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1054.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1054.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1055.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1055.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1056.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1056.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1057.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1057.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1058.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1058.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1060.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1060.jpg.html)

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/jaycobb71/1062.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/jaycobb71/media/1062.jpg.html)

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 19, 2014, 09:44:55 PM
Great shots, cowboy.  Now, what exactly are we looking at?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 19, 2014, 09:47:48 PM
Hopefully, they'll have a big ol' pot of some good, hot chili!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 20, 2014, 10:31:26 AM
Great shots, cowboy.  Now, what exactly are we looking at?

Good question....There are several foundations poured, one big circle foundation, and then several of the others look like they are about to go more vertical.

If they are going to reuse the balloons.....do you think they might go on the circle foundation?

Also, I didn't go into half dollar holler, but I noticed not one kid was using the ropes portion of that attraction. Either it was closed, or no one is interested. That is one area of the park I wouldn't mind them removing and letting it go back to a natural setting.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 20, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
No. The balloons are not going on the round foundation that is already present.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sawblade5 on July 20, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
My guess on that foundation. It looks exactly like the old kiddie swing foundation in a new location so I am guessing the Kiddie Swing ride will be going there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on July 20, 2014, 04:21:19 PM
My guess on that foundation. It looks exactly like the old kiddie swing foundation in a new location so I am guessing the Kiddie Swing ride will be going there.

That makes a lot of sense. It just looks like a foundation that something is going to sit on, there isn't any anchor bolts coming up through the foundation for anything big to attach to it.

Jay

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 20, 2014, 06:24:45 PM
Thanks so much for the photos cowboy! So much going on right now. I have no idea anymore what all those footings could be meant for. I'm guessing the new play area building will take quite a few of the big ones that are close together though.

What always gets me when I think about this development is that we aren't even seeing the whole area under construction yet. All of Geyser Gulch is going to be included in this as well. It's going to be huge, and will be a defining moment for the park when the design is unveiled. Could be amazing ...could be another Grand Expo.

I have high hopes for the play area though. Funny you mentioned HDH being deserted. My nephews absolutely love the ropes course, and I know most other kids that age do as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 21, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
Announced today on FB, GG will be closed on August 3rd..
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 21, 2014, 05:15:10 PM
JUST SAW THIS POSTED ON FB...CLOSURE OF THE KIDS AREA ADJACENT TO THE NEW PARK EXPANSION BY THE LAKE.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 22, 2014, 04:03:11 AM
Is the 3rd the last day it will be open or the 1st day it will be closed?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 22, 2014, 05:29:43 AM
I would think that since the 3rd is on a sunday, AND the last day of moonlight madness..... GG would be open in the 3rd..... then closed for the season..

just guessing on my part..
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 22, 2014, 06:08:10 AM
The 3rd is the last day it is open.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on July 22, 2014, 08:57:55 AM
Great thanks! I was wanting to get my boy there one last time and the 3rd was the soonest we could make it
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 28, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
So do you think they'll build a structure around the S&S shot tower to help hide it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 28, 2014, 07:52:58 PM
I hope so!  How is it to be themed?  As a fire pole?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Citydweller84 on July 28, 2014, 08:13:14 PM
I hope so!  How is it to be themed?  As a fire pole?

To me that would make the most sense. Not the biggest fan of shot towers personally but I'll have to wait and reserve judgment on this one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 28, 2014, 08:26:38 PM
It's not even a big one.  Kind of a joke, if you ask me, unless they theme it well.

Swoosh, did you ask the question because you know the answer?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 28, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
The construction in the area so far seems to point to some large overarching structures (at least that's my guess the little I've seen lately). There's definitely a lot of footings and foundations being built. The concept pitch did indeed call it out as a fireman's pole, but it didn't show a specific building around the base.

I'd be willing to wager a guess that the shot tower will be well themed with something around the base. It might not be huge, but it will almost definitely be the biggest ride of the addition, and it'll be a focal piece. Just having it out there like it was at CC wouldn't do.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 28, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
I not as sure about being almost definitely the biggest ride of the addition.  They sure need to do something to theme it and get rid of the carnival look of the thing.  It will be interesting to see how they make the rides and changes look like they all belong together.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 29, 2014, 10:24:27 AM
SDC is getting a lot of backlash on their facebook page about the removal of GG. Many upset moms & dads...and oh those grandparents!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 29, 2014, 10:53:24 AM
SDC is getting a lot of backlash on their facebook page about the removal of GG. Many upset moms & dads...and oh those grandparents!

While I personally don't care too much for GG, I understand their concern.  It was a place for kids to cool off on hot summer days and run around like crazy people.  It was always full whenever I walked past it, and my nieces and nephews always enjoyed it.

Of course that's not to say the new development won't have the same appeal, and since it is a fireman's theme you have to think there will still be opportunities to get "hosed down" and cooled off, so we just don't know yet.  But I see where they are coming from.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 29, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Couple of more weeks and we will all find out whats what...  Hopefully that will calm down those parents and grandparents.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 11:34:45 AM
Does anyone think SDC is tired of policing the swimsuit policy.  Several get into that area and want to strip to their swimsuits and then walk around the park, which is against park policy.  It got too hard to keep that from happening, so they allowed it for youngsters, but it's awkward to have kids changing clothes in the restrooms.  I think the new area will be planned better.  Really a splash pad is better reserved for places that are closer to home, where you have access to more privacy nearby.

I'm pretty sure some of the same elements will be revamped and included.  The concept art that we were shown had the balls still in there (a bucket brigade thing), and I really think fire hoses will easily be a part of the area (which probably means they will just repaint the "island" in the lake - ugh).  That just seems likely on all levels.  The people on facebook likely do not have any idea of what is happening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 29, 2014, 01:34:39 PM
^I'm sure that's played a role in a few decisions. Splash Harbor was practically a water park, and it really contributed to a lot of people wearing overt swim wear all over the park all day long. I don't expect to see the splash pads return, but hope they keep the outward facing water cannons. Don't think they seem intent on keeping the old greedy bro's tower though...

The announcement will be designed to curtail parent's concerns about GG. SDC understands at least the basic needs of their target audience here.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
^I'm sure that's played a role in a few decisions. Splash Harbor was practically a water park, and it really contributed to a lot of people wearing overt swim wear all over the park all day long. I don't expect to see the splash pads return, but hope they keep the outward facing water cannons. Don't think they seem intent on keeping the old greedy bro's tower though...

The announcement will be designed to curtail parent's concerns about GG. SDC understands at least the basic needs of their target audience here.

Yeah, it's not like you don't get soaked on AP, LRotO, and River Blast. More and more quick dry clothing options are out there as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
Does anyone think SDC is tired of policing the swimsuit policy.  Several get into that area and want to strip to their swimsuits and then walk around the park, which is against park policy.  It got too hard to keep that from happening, so they allowed it for youngsters, but it's awkward to have kids changing clothes in the restrooms.  I think the new area will be planned better.  Really a splash pad is better reserved for places that are closer to home, where you have access to more privacy nearby.

I'm pretty sure some of the same elements will be revamped and included.  The concept art that we were shown had the balls still in there (a bucket brigade thing), and I really think fire hoses will easily be a part of the area (which probably means they will just repaint the "island" in the lake - ugh).  That just seems likely on all levels.  The people on facebook likely do not have any idea of what is happening.

How are places like Frontier City, Magic Springs and Worlds of Fun handling it bring they have either water play structures or outright water park features as part of the same admission. Seems most are building the needed changing facilities.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
That's easy:  they don't have the same standards as Silver Dollar City.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2014, 02:03:22 PM
That's easy:  they don't have the same standards as Silver Dollar City.

It's kinda funny coming from owners of water parks as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 02:06:31 PM
I get that, but the setting is the difference.  I can appreciate that people who don't want to be subjected to that - call it temptation if you want - don't expect to see it at Silver Dollar City.  It's less shocking in a setting where you are expecting it.  Evan so, most water parks have appearance standards, as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on July 29, 2014, 02:06:39 PM
That's easy:  they don't have the same standards as Silver Dollar City.

It's kinda funny coming from owners of water parks as well.

That's true. I think they could loosen the standards a little bit. I see it no worse than men walking around in 2 sizes to small tank tops.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 02:14:16 PM
How about a day where all guests dress 1880s?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on July 29, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
So, I am just sitting here thinking about the addition and how SDC has focused on small revenue the last few years. Is there a chance we will see pay water cannons and other features in this new area? I would bet that some extra pay things are included be it games or pay to squirt features.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 02:29:05 PM
With the pattern of things, I'd say that's a given.   :-[
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 29, 2014, 02:34:26 PM
I mean it's not like you dont see the wet tshirt effect from mommas(and some dudes) of all shapes and sizes on those other rides and heaven forbid the immoral wind chills them. And... I agree about tank tops and muscle shirts on dudes. Leave the wifebeaters in the suitcase.

Hey, water ain't free you know.  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 29, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
Response to posts above:

1. The shot tower is now brown.  It sounds like it will be pretty hidden towards the back of the new area (not towards the bathroom - towards the tracks) and utilize the tree cover that is still there so that it will be hid from the main midway

2. Swim suits at SDC are not allowed but I have seen them all over the park.  What I was told, is that when it is exceptionally warm, it isn't enforced as much walking around but in order to ride or enter an attraction, they must have proper attire.  This is the same at WOF and SFStL.  At WOF and SFStL, people entering the park from the waterpark must have shirt and shoes in order to ride attractions.

3.  Been trying to address some of the issues that the crazed parents are bringing up on the Facebook page.  Some of them are taking it to the extreme.  The 13th cannot get here soon enough to curb their anxiety.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 29, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Swoosh you are soooo right about the 13th...  some of the people out there are going NUTS :o :o :o, thinking the whole area is going to be gone, with nothing replacing it...

Sometimes little panics get humorous...... BUT not in this case... people of all ages are way overreacting.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 29, 2014, 11:09:33 PM
Those be some of them uninformed voters we often hear about.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 30, 2014, 12:06:03 AM

Sometimes little panics get humorous...... BUT not in this case... people of all ages are way overreacting.....
What if this is their favorite attraction at SDC?  Even if they replace it with something else that is great, this particular attraction IS NOT coming back, ever.  Maybe this is their first memory of the park?  Maybe this is the place they always look forward to going to?
I seem to recall a lot of people on here who still complain that the float trip is now part of AP instead of just being by itself, and others yet wishing guns were not a part of the flooded mine.  We don't say they are "way overreacting".

I can't believe I'm defending this since this attraction is not for me, but I also think it's a little weird to be THAT surprised that there are people out there who are not happy about this.  What would you do if SDC took away your favorite attraction, even if they promised to replace it with something *better*?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 30, 2014, 04:54:13 AM
Change is going to happen, like it or not. You will always have fond memories of what is taken away.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 30, 2014, 06:13:56 AM

We don't say they are "way overreacting".

I do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 30, 2014, 08:52:35 AM
They are overreacting, since they think SDC will have nothing for families with young children.  They ignore that SDC has spent millions on HDH and GE and millions more here.  I read their comments, and they are prematurely overreacting.  I think it is a commentary on people's impatience and propensity for angrily jumping on people when they are online.

What they are wrong about is that SDC is not abandoning the young kids; they may be slowly drifting away from having features for their oldest guests though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 30, 2014, 09:50:20 AM
""[ they may be slowly drifting away from having features for their oldest guests though.""""

AND that History Buff is my concern.......

I am NOT seriously complaining here now,,,  just making a "observation"..... 

Except for coasters...(which I don't ride)...  what are the teens, early 20's, maybe 30's supposed to do.......??  Few of them enjoy the craftsmen...  too young to enjoy just walk and enjoy the scenery, the asphalt smell ( ;)) and the peace and quiet....

There are/will be 3 large areas now for youngsters to play... HDH, GE, GG?

I am hoping the new "GG", is maybe pointed toward both young kids, and the teenager/20's group...

Either way wont effect me, BUT we need to keep the city alive and well.... :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2014, 10:15:56 AM
what are the teens, early 20's, maybe 30's supposed to do.......??  Few of them enjoy the craftsmen...  too young to enjoy just walk and enjoy the scenery, the asphalt smell ( ;)) and the peace and quiet....

Speak for yourself. The fact that there's more to do than coasters is usually the only way I can convince people to even take a look at going to SDC. People my age group don't necessarily like the Six Flags experience any more than you. SDC has done virtually nothing but focus on rides since 2001, so there's plenty for everyone to do.

Fireman's Landing will be and should be for kids.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 30, 2014, 10:17:24 AM
But what about us old fogies ?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on July 30, 2014, 11:23:43 AM
well, for myself I am 55 and still go for the rides coasters and all. Been going since late 60's. I actually believe there is enough for everyone and they have done a good job with the mix of things. I personally would prefer more thrill rides and am not to excited about the new expansion at all, but if they are taking away a popular kiddie area it makes sense to replace it with a similar type experience. I know a lot of people miss a lot of the crafts  which I do not enjoy at all ( with the exception of the knife shop), but i am sure glad they are there for those who do. A lot of people hate Midnight madness, but I would love to try it out just to get a new experience. I also think most of the shows are geared to the older groups. Not much there for us who are old rockers or younger teens and Millennials. It all boils down to what Junior said. Things will change and for the most part they are doing a good job with the mix of things. The park has to attract a wide range to stay competitive in today's market.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2014, 11:38:25 AM
""[ they may be slowly drifting away from having features for their oldest guests though.""""

AND that History Buff is my concern.......

I am NOT seriously complaining here now,,,  just making a "observation"..... 

Except for coasters...(which I don't ride)...  what are the teens, early 20's, maybe 30's supposed to do.......??  Few of them enjoy the craftsmen...  too young to enjoy just walk and enjoy the scenery, the asphalt smell ( ;)) and the peace and quiet....

There are/will be 3 large areas now for youngsters to play... HDH, GE, GG?

I am hoping the new "GG", is maybe pointed toward both young kids, and the teenager/20's group...

Either way wont effect me, BUT we need to keep the city alive and well.... :)

This is veering off the 2015 project and into general park discussion but I'm going to run my mouth.

Ok, here it goes...

HFE  seems to try to include options for all ages with most areas they do.

Giant Swing, artwork showed it, hi lo silos, petting zoo and a small swing ride. Thats a thrill ride and other attractions for small kids and non thrill riders. The Swing didn't make it here but popped up in HDH along with the staple Carousel everyone wanted back. The hollow's rope play structure was an attempt to replace the treehouse but its a modern day insurance nuetered version, somehow Chick fil a and McDonalds can have slides but not this place. It needs expanded with a ball pit. The swings got yanked but I'm sure they will reappear. The interacive play stuff  is best left for botantic gardens and I've never been able to catch a storytelling when the kids were small enough for that. It needs more play structure with balls. A mini kiddie flume even.

The GE went with stuff for all ages. There's the little group of rides for the smallest to the disk'o . It's basically your county fair sans the tilt.a whirl, zipper, cheesy  fun house, scramber,ferris wheel and  double ferris wheel.

The cooking school was obvious for mommas and grandmommas.

Outlaw Run is the only thing that catered to just the thrill seekers. They could have enhanced that area with a couple of western themed atractions that I've mentioned before like the hub and spoke wagonwheel kiddie ferris wheel and the bull themed bumper cars. One side for small tikes and the other for big kids and adults all housed in a feed lot themed building.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on July 30, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Shave...  

I said "few" meaning "some" of the younger people enjoy the city for what it is....  But unfortunately most don't/won't "get it".

I know there is a select group of younger people that do enjoy the city for what it is, and what It has to offer....

Maybe I wasn't clear on that part..No offense.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 30, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Just making a point. Lots of millennials enjoy the ozarkan aspects of SDC, including the craftsmen and other things that are assumed to be reserved to "old foggies". It's not necessarily what brings them into the park or is the main focus of the visit, but it does become part of the overall unique experience that sets the park apart from its bland competitors. I just think sometimes there's too much focus on the perceived wants of the younger generation vs. the old generation when so much of it comes down to the overall experience of the park which is shared by everyone.

Anyway though, back to the topic at hand. Let's not over think this: SDC is taking an old kid's area and revitalizing and expanding it. I think the main questions at hand are how the rides will interact with the environment and what features the new play building will have.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 30, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
1. It really annoys me how some people post comments on facebook posts like that.  It's like they don't use their brains at all.  The most ANNOYING that I've read this year is when KCTV5 blew a story so out of proportion about WoF's SteelHawk eStopping 20ft in the air and "stranding" its riders.  Oh my gosh the comments on there was just beyond ludicrous.

2. SDC is not abandoning the younger kids - if anything they almost cater to them solely.  It is rather annoying (to me) that so many of the additions lately have been things that I have no desire to mess with because I am not the target age group (they're not the only ones.  SFStL and WOF have been doing it too).

3. Fireman's Landing is not going to be catered to teens.  It will have one thrill ride.  The S&S tower.  The rest of the area will be catered to families with younger kids.  Sorry if you were hoping for more, but it's not going to be WOOHOO for anyone without a younger child.  Yes it will look nice and be an improvement over what is there now, but let's call a spade a spade.

4. Regarding what each age group has to do at the park
PreK - HDH/GE
K-5 - GE/FL
6-20's - Coasters/S&S tower/GE"bigrides"/TGS/waterrides/coasters
30/40 - same as 6-20's + shows and exhibits
40+ - Some rides/shows and exhibits / scenery

5. The petting zoo that was to go by TGS was cut because they didn't want to move it from the Homestead and remove an "attraction" from that area.  The swing got axed due to space limitations and other "atmosphere" additions.

6. GE is more than a county fair.  While some people do not like it, it did what it was supposed to do - add ride capacity to the park.  I personally feel they did a nice job implementing it.  Could they have done more, of course but what they did do is pretty darn good.  I love how the trees have grown in there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 30, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
1. It really annoys me how some people post comments on facebook posts like that.  It's like they don't use their brains at all.  The most ANNOYING that I've read this year is when KCTV5 blew a story so out of proportion about WoF's SteelHawk eStopping 20ft in the air and "stranding" its riders.  Oh my gosh the comments on there was just beyond ludicrous.

2. SDC is not abandoning the younger kids - if anything they almost cater to them solely.  It is rather annoying (to me) that so many of the additions lately have been things that I have no desire to mess with because I am not the target age group (they're not the only ones.  SFStL and WOF have been doing it too).

3. Fireman's Landing is not going to be catered to teens.  It will have one thrill ride.  The S&S tower.  The rest of the area will be catered to families with younger kids.  Sorry if you were hoping for more, but it's not going to be WOOHOO for anyone without a younger child.  Yes it will look nice and be an improvement over what is there now, but let's call a spade a spade.

4. Regarding what each age group has to do at the park
PreK - HDH/GE
K-5 - GE/FL
6-20's - Coasters/S&S tower/GE"bigrides"/TGS/waterrides/coasters
30/40 - same as 6-20's + shows and exhibits
40+ - Some rides/shows and exhibits / scenery

5. The petting zoo that was to go by TGS was cut because they didn't want to move it from the Homestead and remove an "attraction" from that area.  The swing got axed due to space limitations and other "atmosphere" additions.

6. GE is more than a county fair.  While some people do not like it, it did what it was supposed to do - add ride capacity to the park.  I personally feel they did a nice job implementing it.  Could they have done more, of course but what they did do is pretty darn good.  I love how the trees have grown in there.

But they found a place for the swing was my point. I just wish for a bit more in the OR area to help pass time for those waiting to ride OR. And like I said, want more usage of HDH, put in a ball pit.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 30, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
I'm sitting back to wait and see how it turns out. When it is all said and done, it will be another spot where young kids and families will "make memories worth repeating" In my time on park, that area is where Eli Tolts' submersible was tethered to a lakeside tower, and the "Far Woods" area was where special event picnics were held. Plus there were a bunch of trees and shrubs and it was a pretty location. In my mind's eye that is the way it will ALWAYS be, no matter what attractions were put there in the 1990s or what is being built there now. Each new generation of families will most fondly remember how thing were in their time. Just wait and see. :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 30, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
I don't expect WOOHOO either.  I just want it to look better than it does.  The best thing about GE, HDH, and the current GG is that they are dead ends.  If a child is lost, a parent is pretty safe in handing out at the entrance to each and knowing the kid can only come out through that way.  Hopefully that will remain true.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on July 30, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
I really hate gyser gulch.  It's so crazy and parents are so over protective in that area.  Heck, they won't even share the balls with other small children.  They block off their own area.

The people that are going to keep this park open for years and years to come are the kids.  Right now they are taking parents and grandparents into expensive toys and junk.  In 20 years, they will being their kids back to experience what they did as kids.  Will it be the same?  No.  With my kids being 6, 6, and 2, will they ever take their children to most of the kid attractions that are there right now?  Probably not.  But they will take their kids because that is what they grew up with and loved. 

I saw two friends talking on Facebook about a recent trip.  Their husbands went with them and the kids.  The husbands do not care for sdc.  They never went as children.  They went to six flags and worlds of fun and they prefer that.  The wives grew up with sdc and prefer to take their kids there.  That right there tells you why investing in the younger crowds is worth it. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on July 31, 2014, 12:04:28 AM
Count me in with Shave.  I'm 27 and would never go to SDC just for the rides or thrills.  Ozarks, crafts, history, memories, sights sounds and smells, theme, gags, a few of the shows, and general atmosphere are what will bring me back.  Of course I really enjoy the rides, but my favorite is FITH because of it's overall character.  Personally HATE GE and totally avoid the place as it feels like I'm in a totally different world over there that has nothing to do with SDC.  But it does add space to the park which spreads people out.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: okiebluegrass on July 31, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
I love Ozark Heritage.

I love the hills, the caves, the trees, the rivers, the lakes, the crafts and the music.

That's what SDC is supposed to celebrate. To me that is the heart and soul of SDC, and without it, it's just another amusement park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on July 31, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
Reagarding 2015 ... Oh balls.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on July 31, 2014, 01:51:57 PM
Haven't heard anything about whether the balls will stick around, and don't know what Swoosh is getting at, but to make blind speculation I would say the foam balls won't be returning with Firemen's Landing. The cleanup, control, and replacement costs are something I see the PTB wanting to get rid of, even though they are popular. You also have odd issues such as those that others have mentioned where parents will act weird and cordon off their own sections inside the ball play areas just for their own kids. I don't know what else they would replace it with though that would be scalable for thousands of kids...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on July 31, 2014, 02:04:49 PM
I'm still curious if GG is getting completely torn down or just gutted and revamped/re imagined.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on July 31, 2014, 04:04:05 PM
It is a lot of work keeping up with the balls. I worked Tom Sawyers Landing ballroom and remember a few occasions when a kid lost a loaded diaper. YEP, that meant an all night hose down at the ballroom. Not much fun for anyone!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on July 31, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
^and that is the reason there is no longer a ball pit.  I think Swoosh is implying that balls will be a big part of the '15 transformation.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on July 31, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
I hear this will be the biggest balls of them all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3tqIukBKg
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wood Warrior on August 01, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
Anybody else think it would've been smarter for SDC to announce Project 2015 BEFORE announcing the closure of Geyser Gulch? I mean, they could've avoided all this backlash from the public.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 01, 2014, 09:22:54 PM
Perhaps, but perhaps more people are paying attention to it now.  You can bet the people who are upset are going to pay close attention to what replaces their beloved GG.  It's even on the front pages of Branson newspapers and it's a story on the local news.  I think we'll chalk it up to a stunt, because they're pretty sure they can replace it with a better experience and achieve a better look on the lake.

But we really need some firehouse chili in the area, SDC!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
Regarding 2015... should we do the big one or the little one first? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
You have some news to share?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 09:09:31 PM
Uhhhhh!!!  I wish it was the 13th already.  I am currently working on a photo update from today and it is KILLING ME not saying what each of the different foundations are for.  I am finding it almost impossible to do the captions for these photos without just giving it away.  

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 03, 2014, 09:15:19 PM
So today was Geyser Gulch's last day... I know most of us have never been fond of it, but I sure felt the memories flood back when I suddenly remembered that it was closing today.

Regarding 2015... should we do the big one or the little one first?  

Didn't we agree not to do the vague "I think I know something" posts anymore? This doesn't add much to the discussion.


I'm looking forward to the construction photos though. Time to put in some final speculation before the announcement. Only ten days!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2014, 09:26:42 PM
It's exciting to have a secret and give hints.  I understand where you're coming from.  As long as the new area is not too garish and has a cleanly executed theme, I'll be OK with it.

Now, back to this "little one/big one" remark...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 09:26:58 PM
To be honest, the hint wasn't vague at all and refers to two specific attractions coming to the new area.  When the ride list is announced it will be pretty clear.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 03, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
Swoosh, now that you know the ride list for the area....are you more excited for the announcement, or has your concern for the new area grown?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
^^I figured that part out, but you asked if we should do first, so I thought there was more to come.  Let's get those MiG pics out there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 09:57:09 PM
Swoosh, now that you know the ride list for the area....are you more excited for the announcement, or has your concern for the new area grown?

It's not so much what rides are going to be in there that concerns me, it's the execution of the theme on said rides.  I'll be just as "surprised" when all of that is announced on the 13th.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/08.03/

 Enjoy
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2014, 10:27:24 PM
Let's see...a large ride, a small ride, and a fence to block a third ride, which sounds like something unexpected.  We'll assume this is in addition to a possible new play area to accommodate the loss of GG.

Is the shot tower a large of small ride?  I always thought it was a miniature version of the ride, but I'm guessing this is the "large" ride near the entrance.

I don't think you showed the round foundation which we have to know is for the Li'l Swings.

All of these photos are of the area behind GG.  GG itself will provide another huge amount of space to be included.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 03, 2014, 10:33:11 PM
Pictures 17 & 18 are of the round foundation that you mentioned.

Off the top of my head there are at least 2 ride foundations to be made plus another "attraction" that obviously cannot be made yet because there is some demo that needs to be done.

The fence will go in to block off an area that is not going to be used for the current project.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Graybeard on August 03, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
I'm thinking 2016 Firechaser Express utilizing the remaining space plus the employee lot.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 03, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
^^Whoops, I only looked at the first page.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 04, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
So does the train closing on October 25. Have something to do with the 2015 project?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 04, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Hey there Tmboote.

Wow! I'm not sure anyone's pointed out that yet, or if I just tuned it out - but I just checked the website and sure enough, it states that the train will only operate through October 25. I know they need to put a new crossing in, but surely they're not going to have the train closed for OTC? One of us is going to need to contact the park and actually verify what's going on here. If both GG and the train closed for OTC, a lot of families are going to be very unhappy.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 04, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
Another train crossing?  Does that imply there will be dual entrances to the area, with one coming out between the WB tower and Red Gold?  Families feel more secure with a single entrance/exit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 04, 2014, 02:05:05 PM
The train will be open for OTC.  They're already advertising the Singalong Train in the Pathfinder
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 04, 2014, 02:31:01 PM
Ah, that straightens that out then. Not sure why they would put an end date on the website though... Maybe there's some chance that the train will be closed for the first weekend of OTC while they get things shifted.

HB, the new crossing isn't a pedestrian entry, it's a back-of-house access as pointed out in Swoosh's latest photos on MiG.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 04, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
I saw that, but wasn't sure about it.  I'm sure they don't want any more ped xings, and bridges are expensive - though add character.  I don't like access road crossings if they aren't masked with some flavor.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 04, 2014, 02:58:59 PM
Unless plans have changed, the only GP entrance into the area will be where it is currently.  Until construction is over, employees have to use the BOH entrances at OR and RGHH as the "preferred" entrance is now off limits with construction (that's the one I showed you in the update). 

Also they didn't waste any time getting started with demo.  Apparently the trees there near the lake in front of the main GG building are already gone.  Been said that the construction site is crawling with PTB in hardhats and there is a lot more security at all of the entrances to that area. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on August 04, 2014, 03:56:27 PM
Thanks for the updates, please post photos best you can.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 04, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
I will be there sunday... see what I can get pics of,

it is a "non" festival weekend. I expect a light crowd on sunday :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 04, 2014, 07:54:42 PM
The only points that you'll be able to see GG now are from the train and from the bridge to LRotO
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 04, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
it is a "non" festival weekend. I expect a light crowd on sunday :)

THE best time to go - but don't be distracted:  some days don't need festivals to draw crowds.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pudgy Jones on August 05, 2014, 09:13:45 AM
Trees gone?  >:(
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 05, 2014, 03:05:57 PM
I sent an email to SDC and they said the train would remain open and they fixed it on there website. I just wonder why it ever said it would close early.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 05, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
Just a guess here....

 October 25th is the last day the train will run during the "daytime".. that is the last day of the "regular" season....
   
They will then close for a week to finish getting ready for OTC which starts on 11-1.
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when they open on 11-1, the train wont start running until late afternoon for the "Christmas ride". so you can see grandpa and hear the Christmas story.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 05, 2014, 03:20:58 PM
I guess I forgot that the train only runs later in the day during An Old Time Christmas, so maybe that was what they were thinking when they put the dates on the rides and attractions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 05, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
OR they accidentally put the wrong date in and have since fixed it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 05, 2014, 04:06:11 PM
I guess that is probably right. The email I got said the train will operate through December 30 and they asked me to tell them where I found the information so they could correct it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 07, 2014, 09:53:23 PM
How would you guys feel about one of these coming to the park?
http://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/logan-company-s-spinning-roller-coaster-promises-unique-experience/article_252562fa-013f-11e4-85f2-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=story

No, I am not saying that one is coming, but at only $7Million, that's pretty cheap for a family thrill coaster
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 07, 2014, 10:33:23 PM
Sounds Interesting... It looks like it would be something that older people and teens could enjoy while still keeping it mild enough for younger kids. It would also be a good ride to get in between bigger rides since it is only 7 million dollars and Silver Dollar City has no ride quite like it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 07, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
Interesting.  Very interesting. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 07, 2014, 11:14:04 PM
I'm not sure, I rode a similar ride at SFMM and even their toned down ride was a one and done type ride for me....the brake run at the end of the ride hurt bad being slammed into the restraints while almost upside down. We had several guys age 16 - 40...all of us thought it was a crazy ride, but none of us wanted to ride it again.

Unless S&S improved the ride experience drastically, I don't really see this fitting well in SDC.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 07, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Are you talking about X2 or Green Lantern.  This will be more like Green Lantern BUT with a gentler layout.  ZacSpins can be rather violent
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on August 08, 2014, 03:41:25 AM
http://youtu.be/D2chGrSXCw0

I certainly wouldn't not ride it. Make it a cool, themed dark ride (in a starry cave maybe?, idk) and I'd be happier, but that would go against the point of saving money, I'm guessing.  Not my first choice, but could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 08, 2014, 05:15:08 AM
Are you talking about X2 or Green Lantern.  This will be more like Green Lantern BUT with a gentler layout.  ZacSpins can be rather violent

Green Lantern.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BobKrause on August 08, 2014, 05:53:43 AM
Not my cup of tea. I'd probably ride it once since I've never been on anything like it, but I can't imagine wanting to ride it more than that.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 08, 2014, 07:19:01 AM
I do not think it would be my cup of tea. Maybe one time, but not something I would line up for over and over again. Give me a true classic wooden coaster that is just flat out fast.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 08, 2014, 07:42:06 AM
I do not think it would be my cup of tea. Maybe one time, but not something I would line up for over and over again. Give me a true classic wooden coaster that is just flat out fast.

Does it have to invert?  All we need is a kick tail junior woodie like Wooden Warrior that folks rave about or a custom family suspended.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 08, 2014, 07:47:35 AM
I do not think it would be my cup of tea. Maybe one time, but not something I would line up for over and over again. Give me a true classic wooden coaster that is just flat out fast.

Does it have to invert?  All we need is a kick tail junior woodie like Wooden Warrior that folks rave about or a custom family suspended.

No, no inversions , barrel rolls or any upside down tricks. Just a flat out tall, steep, flat out fast out and back true woodie. Take the old screaming eagle and put it on steroids.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
Seriously guys?  Let's be honest - your next coaster is either going to be a Firechaser Express semi-clone or a wingcoaster (Wild Eagle).  It really isn't up for discussion, those are the two options. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 10:56:10 AM
I would love to see SDC get a B&M wing coaster. I love Wildfire and I've never ridden a wing coaster and they look like a lot of fun. Also, a wing coaster would be something completely different that SDC doesn't have.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 10:57:46 AM
I definitely don't think we'll see another wooden roller coaster at SDC for awhile since they just got Outlaw Run.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 08, 2014, 11:05:08 AM
I definitely don't think we'll see another wooden roller coaster at SDC for awhile since they just got Outlaw Run.

Well, If you consider Outlaw run a true wooden coaster. Some will say it is a hybrid.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 08, 2014, 11:09:03 AM
Seriously guys?  Let's be honest - your next coaster is either going to be a Firechaser Express semi-clone or a wingcoaster (Wild Eagle).  It really isn't up for discussion, those are the two options. 

I know that, but it sure is fun to wish for what I want to see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 11:10:25 AM
I definitely don't think we'll see another wooden roller coaster at SDC for awhile since they just got Outlaw Run.

Well, If you consider Outlaw run a true wooden coaster. Some will say it is a hybrid.

I've always considered it to be a wooden coaster. I think it is close enough to a wooden roller coaster that SDC won't get another in the near future, even though SDC could use just a normal wooden coaster. I would love to see a GCI wooden coaster. I love Prowler at Worlds of Fun and Renegade at Valleyfair.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 08, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
I don't think they will get another Gerstlaur dual launch. That thing cost more than OR and is really overrated. Don't get me wrong, I loved the ride, but a $14 million price tag is a little much.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on August 08, 2014, 04:40:37 PM
Question: how many varieties of coasters can they build? Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
Question: how many varieties of coasters can they build? Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?

Well there are many different kinds of coasters, and SDC only has five kinds. The question is how far they can (if at all) expand the park past its current borders. I would hate to see any of SDC's coasters have to be removed even if it is for something better.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 08, 2014, 05:05:18 PM
Swoosh, clearly you have insinuated that you are already well aware of what type of coaster will round out the updated GG area in 2015. For those of us who have not yet been to the park this year, it is very hard to judge the scope of the actual footprint within the area being renovated. Is there even enough room to accommodate a winged coaster in the area? As much as I would love to see that type of ride anchor that area, it seems like the entire area is already taking on a more GE.2 vibe. That leads me to believe they would opt for a more TNTish family tailored coaster. But that's just my hunch.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 08, 2014, 05:15:06 PM
Seriously guys?  Let's be honest - your next coaster is either going to be a Firechaser Express semi-clone or a wingcoaster (Wild Eagle).  It really isn't up for discussion, those are the two options. 

Yeah and we were getting a euro fighter once too and it seemed like the time a sure thing. There really isn't that much true copying when it comes to coasters between the two SDCs err..... SDC and Dollywood. I rather they have their own identities that way so as the make both more attractive and to avoid folks from being satisfied with visiting just one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 05:23:51 PM
Swoosh, clearly you have insinuated that you are already well aware of what type of coaster will round out the updated GG area in 2015. For those of us who have not yet been to the park this year, it is very hard to judge the scope of the actual footprint within the area being renovated. Is there even enough room to accommodate a winged coaster in the area? As much as I would love to see that type of ride anchor that area, it seems like the entire area is already taking on a more GE.2 vibe. That leads me to believe they would opt for a more TNTish family tailored coaster. But that's just my hunch.

I would think that they would put some sort of family coaster in the new area, considering they removed a major family area. Also, I don't know if they have time to add a wing coaster and have it operating by opening day 2015. I think there is room for a wing coaster in the area. I am not sure but they could probably send some of the wing coaster over the train track to get more room for a major roller coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 08, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
Question: how many varieties of coasters can they build? Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?

SDC is missing:

1.Traditional woodie, either out and back or twisty

2.Suspended coaster, I guess you could say B&M Wingriders are their new suspended coasters . They are now building family suspended coasters like Vekoma. Pretty much put an end to their floorless version similar to Wildfire.  They are now building family suspended coasters like Vekoma.

3. Dive coaster

4. bobsled type coaster

5. Mouse style coaster, custom kind that Mack seems really good at.

6. Spinning coaster

7.Boomerang style, Gerstlauer has put in a few family type of these in Europe lately and their the oft cussed Vekomas that still sell.

8.Trick Track, drop track or trick track like Firechaser unless we want to get technical with finicky Powerkeg.

9.Mega coaster, the steel giants that are inversionless but with insane speed and hills

10. 4d coasters

11. Beyond vertical drop coasters. Gerstlauer  Euro figters and S&S El Locos

12. B&M flying coasters like Manta at SeaWorld Orlando

And a few more








Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2014, 06:32:30 PM
Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?

Trust me when I say, SDC is not hurting for expansion pads.

Swoosh, clearly you have insinuated that you are already well aware of what type of coaster will round out the updated GG area in 2015. For those of us who have not yet been to the park this year, it is very hard to judge the scope of the actual footprint within the area being renovated. Is there even enough room to accommodate a winged coaster in the area? As much as I would love to see that type of ride anchor that area, it seems like the entire area is already taking on a more GE.2 vibe. That leads me to believe they would opt for a more TNTish family tailored coaster. But that's just my hunch.

There's plenty of room.  You have the area where the WB tower is, the back part of FL and then the employee parking lot across the tracks.  I'm not saying that is where the next coaster go - there is another area that has been fairly recently fenced off over between WF and PK as well.  I'm not saying that know which coaster is coming next or even which expansion pad or that both have been mentioned.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2014, 06:41:57 PM
I definitely don't think we'll see another wooden roller coaster at SDC for awhile since they just got Outlaw Run.

Well, If you consider Outlaw run a true wooden coaster. Some will say it is a hybrid.

Outlaw Run is completely a wooden coaster.  The steel plate on top is just like any other "traditional" wooden coaster, only a little thicker.  This helps with the settling of the wood.  It also helps lengthen the life of the wood - as well as with maintenance.

Now if you want a "questionable" wooden coaster - see Goliath
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 08, 2014, 07:14:35 PM
Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?

Trust me when I say, SDC is not hurting for expansion pads.

Swoosh, clearly you have insinuated that you are already well aware of what type of coaster will round out the updated GG area in 2015. For those of us who have not yet been to the park this year, it is very hard to judge the scope of the actual footprint within the area being renovated. Is there even enough room to accommodate a winged coaster in the area? As much as I would love to see that type of ride anchor that area, it seems like the entire area is already taking on a more GE.2 vibe. That leads me to believe they would opt for a more TNTish family tailored coaster. But that's just my hunch.

There's plenty of room.  You have the area where the WB tower is, the back part of FL and then the employee parking lot across the tracks.  I'm not saying that is where the next coaster go - there is another area that has been fairly recently fenced off over between WF and PK as well.  I'm not saying that know which coaster is coming next or even which expansion pad or that both have been mentioned.

I wish a revamp of American Plunge could incorporate a Bobsled type coaster that interacts with the flume. I think you could stretch you theming bang for the bucks that way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 08:06:39 PM
Pretty soon they will have to remove some older attractions to build new coasters, won't they?

Trust me when I say, SDC is not hurting for expansion pads.

Swoosh, clearly you have insinuated that you are already well aware of what type of coaster will round out the updated GG area in 2015. For those of us who have not yet been to the park this year, it is very hard to judge the scope of the actual footprint within the area being renovated. Is there even enough room to accommodate a winged coaster in the area? As much as I would love to see that type of ride anchor that area, it seems like the entire area is already taking on a more GE.2 vibe. That leads me to believe they would opt for a more TNTish family tailored coaster. But that's just my hunch.

There's plenty of room.  You have the area where the WB tower is, the back part of FL and then the employee parking lot across the tracks.  I'm not saying that is where the next coaster go - there is another area that has been fairly recently fenced off over between WF and PK as well.  I'm not saying that know which coaster is coming next or even which expansion pad or that both have been mentioned.

But are you saying that a new coaster IS coming for 2015?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 08, 2014, 08:08:48 PM
No coaster...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 08, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
But are you saying that a new coaster IS coming for 2015?

2016 at the earliest.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 10:22:32 PM
Remember this post by Grapeslie from the 2013 Construction thread?

"Just got home from day two of the ACE SDC Event going on right now. First of all Outlaw Run is amazing beyond expectation! Also I spoke with Pete Herschend (yes he showed up it was cool) and he  told me that us coaster enthusiasts should keep our eyes open for 2015 because they are gonna make us happy again!  SDC Bring it on!"

Sounds like some kind of coaster for next year unless the project has been delayed.  Just saying...

So this project mentioned on May 31 must have been delayed. I didn't think they would get a coaster next year anymore since it's already August 8 and they probably don't have enough time to build a decent coaster before opening day 2015.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 08, 2014, 10:25:35 PM
Oh I didn't realize that that post was actually from 2013 and someone just re-posted it on May 31. That makes more sense that they would delay building a coaster for 2015 in 2013 instead of between May 31 and now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tawny71 on August 09, 2014, 05:45:45 AM
That quote doesn't say anything about a coaster. It just says there are rides coming in 2015 that coaster enthusiasts will be happy about.

Swoosh (who seems to be very in the know) has said a new coaster won't happen till at least 2016. He also indicated it'll either be a launch coaster (like Firechaser Express at Dollywood) or a winged coaster (like Wild Eagle at Dollywood). I would hope for something like Wild Eagle, since we already have a launched coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 09, 2014, 07:51:55 AM
If you follow rumors for very long on a site like this, you have to keep in mind that we are only getting tiny glimpses into what is going on behind the scenes. Sometimes we're flat out wrong, but more often the parks plans just change over time. I know for a fact that a lot of different attractions have been heavily considered and rumored about over the past few years, but never came to fruition for one reason or another. It's hard to predict what a business is actually going to do at the end of the day.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2014, 11:46:56 AM
I know for a fact that a lot of different attractions have been heavily considered and rumored about over the past few years, but never came to fruition for one reason or another. It's hard to predict what a business is actually going to do at the end of the day.


The most glaring of those was the Mystery Mine clone for SDC.  After the "less than stellar" results at DW the company decided to go in a different direction.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 09, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
It's hard to predict what a business is actually going to do at the end of the day.


Especially in the amusement industry when new rides always come out and some rides become less popular while others become more popular.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 09, 2014, 09:21:22 PM
Was at the park today. Nothing to report on the new project, the only things that look different are the new fence that closes off the area and the tarps that were on GG are removed. But everything else was still standing (I was thinking some major demolition would have take place this last week).

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 09, 2014, 09:35:49 PM
General appearance of the end product?  I think it would look cool as a brick area.  Is this the implied look presented in the picture?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/p843x403/10557100_10152601309347603_2382977983062548630_o.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 09, 2014, 11:18:43 PM
You'll have to wait until the 13th to find out. ;)

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 09, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
You'll have to wait until the 13th to find out. ;)



3 days and 24 minutes.... I'm excited for the announcement - even though the project will probably be something more kid-friendly and I won't even go through more than a few times.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 10, 2014, 10:31:21 AM
The S&S double shot will be worth riding on any given trip, provided that the lines are not crazy. I'm actually interested to see how they manage that one... it's going to be a pretty popular ride, but capacity isn't great with one tower.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 10, 2014, 10:54:23 AM
The S&S double shot will be worth riding on any given trip, provided that the lines are not crazy. I'm actually interested to see how they manage that one... it's going to be a pretty popular ride, but capacity isn't great with one tower.


Since the tower isn't very tall, some people might not not want to wait for it. They might choose to ride more thrilling rides like OR and PK. But, I'll ride the shot tower I the line isn't to long.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The S&S double shot will be worth riding on any given trip, provided that the lines are not crazy. I'm actually interested to see how they manage that one... it's going to be a pretty popular ride, but capacity isn't great with one tower.


Yeah, that's the only drawback to that ride, it's a modern day staple but many larger parks have two and three tower configurations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 10, 2014, 01:06:51 PM
So, it only seems logical (and appropriate) that a future coaster would anchor this overhauled area. That entire side of the park lacks any true thrill ride. The closest things to it are the electrospin in GE and TNT, which is closer to the entrance than that back corner of the park. I personally hope they choose to place a legitimate coaster in the old GG area in the seasons to come. All that said, Swoosh mentioned an area between WF and PK in an earlier post. Does anyone have any insight on this particular spot? Are we talking something already fenced off and/or staked for future development? Maybe that belongs in an entirely new thread, just curious.

Unless we're talking about another major coaster project, I'm not sure how much I love the idea of throwing another coaster in a section of the park where three coasters already reside. 

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2014, 01:39:47 PM
Sounds like there is going to be a big shindig on Wednesday for the announcement.  I unfortunately will not be there to cover it as I will be at school getting "educated" during our pre-school year professional development sessions.  Anyone able to go? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 10, 2014, 04:30:38 PM
I kind of like how SDC has all their thrill rides near each other so I don't have to walk all over the park to get a ride on every roller coaster. I also think it's nice having the thrill rides and kids rides in different areas because then you don't have everyone in the same area. The kids and families are all on one side of the park while thrill-seekers are on the other side.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 10, 2014, 05:29:39 PM
So, it only seems logical (and appropriate) that a future coaster would anchor this overhauled area.


This sounds more like Six Flags thinking than SDC thinking. Just because there's a new/revitalized area of the park doesn't mean a coaster is need to "anchor" it. Coasters are great, I love em, but we're always talking about how SDC is so much more than just another theme park. Here's hoping they push the boundaries of our expectations with new ideas, concepts, and experiences rather than only focusing on the same base attractions that every other park has. To be fair, they do pick a lot of innovative new designs, but there's still more to a park than coasters.

That said though, I expect a coaster in or near this area within three years. I think it's either going to be something from B&M (more than likely a launched wing coaster), or a family launched coaster similar to Firechaser. I don't think they'll ever try to squeeze another coaster between PK and Wildfire, but I do expect AP to be re-created or replaced with a new water ride somehow within the next 5-7 years.

Getting back to this addition though: 3 days! Get your final guesses/predictions in now!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 10, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
I think a wing coaster is to bulky for our city. It has a cramped feel (this is a good thing) with all the natural beauty and I feel making room for a wing coaster would destroy it. Wildfire took out too much IMO, but it's on the edge of the park so it does not hurt too much. I would like to see random rides throughout the park without new areas. Rides that seem to just fit into nooks and crannies and seem "natural." Fireman's landing will look great, and I am excited to see that corner of the park reborn.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 10, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
This sounds more like Six Flags thinking than SDC thinking. Just because there's a new/revitalized area of the park doesn't mean a coaster is need to "anchor" it.

Yeah about that...

Inventor's Workshop Area - Wildfire
Marvel Mining Company - PowderKeg
Wilson's Farm - Outlaw Run
Grand Expo - Grand Expo Coaster (while a little bit of a stretch, it is STILL a coaster)

So, you were saying?

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 10, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
^Yes, those are all recent expansions that have been made during a time when the Herschend's original vision has been seemingly more and more ignored in favor of competing with Worlds of Fun rather than creating a unique and higher standard. Think about the Land of Forgotten Crafts, Shantytown, Geyser Gulch, etc. My point was that instead of approaching every area like it "needs" a certain number of rides, they should be approached as needing a certain level of experiences. Coasters can provide that, but there are other ideas out there too that could be explored. It's just lazy development to throw rides everywhere.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 10, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
we have a launched coaster already, finicky booger, but it rocks when operating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 10, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
So, it only seems logical (and appropriate) that a future coaster would anchor this overhauled area.


That said though, I expect a coaster in or near this area within three years. I think it's either going to be something from B&M (more than likely a launched wing coaster), or a family launched coaster similar to Firechaser.

I think a launched wing coaster would be interesting. Also, a launched wing coaster would be something that you can't find at more than a few parks - like most of SDC's rides and attractions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 10, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
Back to the comment Swoosh made about riding the big one or the small one first maybe along with bringing the shot tower from CC they are also going to build a new one that's bigger??
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 10, 2014, 10:56:27 PM
The shot tower will not be a "destination" ride.  It's OK for a little kid thrill, but this one is very small.  The only thing that's going to make this interesting is the theming, theming, theming.

The best thing you said though, shave, is "experiences"!  That's hitting the nail on the head.  Appearing scattered and random is better than appearing meticulously planned and manicured.  And experiences does not always have to be translated as coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
There will only be one S&S tower here, but you are thinking along the right lines.

The tower is now brown by the way.  All I can think of when I see it is "if it's brown, it must go down". Dear Lord I need help. lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 11, 2014, 09:42:11 AM
There will only be one S&S tower here, but you are thinking along the right lines.

The tower is now brown by the way.  All I can think of when I see it is "if it's brown, it must go down". Dear Lord I need help. lol

So maybe instead of starting the ride at the bottom, and shooting to the top..somehow a structure will be built around it where it is hidden. Riders will load at the top, then drop down (as if they were a fireman going down the pole).

Or....I could be completly wrong. But that's my guess/speculation
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 11, 2014, 11:01:49 AM
There will only be one S&S tower here, but you are thinking along the right lines.

The tower is now brown by the way.  All I can think of when I see it is "if it's brown, it must go down". Dear Lord I need help. lol

Do you mean here as in the park or in the new area? Will they have the smaller tower in the new area and a bigger one somewhere else in the park?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 11, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
There will only be one S&S tower here, but you are thinking along the right lines.

The tower is now brown by the way.  All I can think of when I see it is "if it's brown, it must go down". Dear Lord I need help. lol

Do you mean here as in the park or in the new area? Will they have the smaller tower in the new area and a bigger one somewhere else in the park?

Wasn't there a rumor of a "frog hopper" being one of the attractions? So the S&S tower be the big version and the frog hopper the smaller version?

Just a couple more days...

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 11, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
I think you guys may be taking things too literally here.  Clearly, the shot tower and the L'il Swings will be here, but outside of that we can only speculate.  The Bucket Brigade in the concept art suggest a probably high chance of definitely having a "ball pit" type attraction in the area, too.  Outside of that, I think the big/little discussion means that this is the little addition, and the big addition will come later in the form of a coaster.

And if you are just joining us, other than there being a firefighter theme, don't you think they will leave the Bald Knobbers to FitH?  I would love it if there would be some wanted posters or something around the FL area, but I wouldn't hold out any hopes for that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 11, 2014, 02:57:37 PM
I think you guys may be taking things too literally here.  Clearly, the shot tower and the L'il Swings will be here, but outside of that we can only speculate.  The Bucket Brigade in the concept art suggest a probably high chance of definitely having a "ball pit" type attraction in the area, too.  Outside of that, I think the big/little discussion means that this is the little addition, and the big addition will come later in the form of a coaster.

And if you are just joining us, other than there being a firefighter theme, don't you think they will leave the Bald Knobbers to FitH?  I would love it if there would be some wanted posters or something around the FL area, but I wouldn't hold out any hopes for that.

But the way Swoosh said it made it sound the little and big additions will come in the same year. He also said that we won't see a new coaster until at least 2016.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2014, 06:47:24 PM
Regarding 2015.... What's a fire without some water?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 11, 2014, 06:57:50 PM
^Obviously.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 11, 2014, 06:58:18 PM
^^Of course, if it's a grease fire...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 11, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
What a bunch of hosers!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 11, 2014, 09:19:35 PM
So when you say should we do the big ride or small ride first, do you mean the big log flume (AP) or a new smaller log flume that will be going into the new area?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
It's already been answered.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 11, 2014, 09:53:54 PM
It's already been answered.



Shot tower now, coaster later?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 11, 2014, 10:38:25 PM
Ugh, look: the rumor is that a kiddie drop tower could be added to the area to go along with the bigger S&S double shot. It's still speculative, but its another one of those things where if you look hard enough you'll find some clues that could support it.

No one on this board knows when the next coaster is coming or what it will be. As always, we can only offer rumors and speculation, no matter how much some would have you believe.  ;)


The biggest thing I'm still pondering is how they'll arrange the current main structure to accommodate flow into the expanded area. Will they demolish parts of the old structure, or perhaps make the ground floor of the former main ballpit a breezeway into the new area? It's kind of a difficult setup to work around with lots of possibilities depending on how ambitious they are going to be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 11, 2014, 11:35:24 PM
It's all gone. Fresh start.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 11, 2014, 11:47:28 PM
As strange as it sounds, it has been said that the old structure is not a part of the new area and is to be completely removed - unless Swoosh just said it has already been removed.  The original concepts even said the current structure would be a part of the final design, but a complete demolition and rebuild seems to be in order.  Fine by me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2014, 12:15:19 AM
It's still standing for now. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 12, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
Shave, at this point are you ok with sharing of the deets of FL on this site since it is close to the announcement?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2014, 11:07:56 AM
Those who have details about FL are keeping it to themselves out of respect for the reveal process.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 12, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
I agree that anyone who knows what the new rides are should keep it to themselves because SDC should be the one to give us the official announcement tomorrow instead of someone posting the new area details on a website like this where everyone can come and see the rides a day before SDC wants us to know.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 12, 2014, 11:57:36 AM
Thumbs up! I remember when they announced TNT and they had a scale model of it in the little wooden hut on your right before you entered the hospitality house. I wonder if they'll put something similar somewhere for this...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2014, 12:10:20 PM
^That's doubtful.  Models cost a lot of money, and with computer engineering and graphics, models are no longer necessary to get the images to the public.  I'm not saying they never use them, but that with the cost and time involved, it doesn't happen often anymore.  I did love to look at those old models though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 12, 2014, 12:52:10 PM
Shave, at this point are you ok with sharing of the deets of FL on this site since it is close to the announcement?

I've been having trouble coming up with a clear policy on this, but we frown on digging up exactly what the park is doing when they are setting up an announcement such as this one (which I guess is now the norm anyway). Posting "rumors" is OK, but it's always hard to draw the line. We want to be in the know while at the same time protecting the park's ability to create impactful announcements and publicity campaigns.

Anyone happen to know what time the announcement will be made live tomorrow?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 12, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
So will the announcement be sent to people who sign up before they post information on Facebook and Twitter? Also, since it's called a "five-alarm" announcement will it take place at one time or at will they announce something at five different times throughout the day tomorrow?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
I've been having trouble coming up with a clear policy on this, but we frown on digging up exactly what the park is doing when they are setting up an announcement such as this one (which I guess is now the norm anyway). Posting "rumors" is OK, but it's always hard to draw the line. We want to be in the know while at the same time protecting the park's ability to create impactful announcements and publicity campaigns.

Hints are always welcome, but I think what we need is for insider information to be kept inside.  If an observation can be made from the outside, that just becomes public knowledge.

For "insiders", it's always fun to be in on the secret, and for "outsiders", the building suspense is always a part of any great catharsis.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: saladdays on August 12, 2014, 03:04:51 PM
^That's doubtful.  Models cost a lot of money, and with computer engineering and graphics, models are no longer necessary to get the images to the public.  I'm not saying they never use them, but that with the cost and time involved, it doesn't happen often anymore.  I did love to look at those old models though.

I agree with what you say, although I don't know if that model was really used for anything other than showing off for the visitors of the park. It didn't seem like the type that would have been used in conjunction with actually creating the ride (but then again, I'm not familiar with really how that process worked).
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 12, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
I'm hoping for a great surprise tomorrow, but if not, I will be happy if it is just themed well and is a nice well rounded experience for the whole family.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 12, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
I think I will be surprised with the announcement tomorrow.

The only ride I think I'll ride is the S&S tower and I think some members of my family will love the new area, but we'll see tomorrow!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2014, 04:10:48 PM
It probably won't happen, but it would be great to have actual fire in places.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2014, 04:50:25 PM
I say we wait for the park
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 12, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Regarding 2015.... What's a fire without some water?

Could this be a hint of the Roaring Falls ride from Celebration City?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 12, 2014, 05:49:38 PM
The announcement is at 11:30.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 12, 2014, 06:09:12 PM
Regarding 2015.... What's a fire without some water?

Could this be a hint of the Roaring Falls ride from Celebration City?

It was sold, so no
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 12, 2014, 06:17:15 PM
^^^gotcha.  I was hoping something like that might appear to lessen some of the wait times on other water rides.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 12, 2014, 07:05:34 PM
I say we wait for the park

Cool, I edited my post to remove my guess....looking forward to tomorrow!

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 12, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
Nothing wrong with guesses, Jay.  I think that's part of the magic of the suspense, and we all like to dream.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on August 12, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
UGHHHHHH! The Suspense is killing me! 11:30 is forever away!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: HeyWheatBread on August 13, 2014, 01:43:19 AM
*bites nails*
I can't wait! What will it be?  ???
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 13, 2014, 08:19:35 AM
I'm glad to know I am not the only one who is on the edge of their seat!!  :o ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
Not to be a buzzkill, but are we really anticipating any dramatic surprises today? Sure, we're missing details, but I think we all have a general idea of the types of rides that will round out this area. The only thing outstanding seems to be how they will "wrap" this area thematically. IF a coaster is part of the master plan for the FL section, we aren't anticipating that component would be revealed today as well, correct?

Don't get me wrong, I am excited to see the plan, but I'm not expecting to wowed by anything today based on the general nature of the project and the variables we already know are in place. Hope I'm wrong, but this feels like it's shaping up to fall somewhere between GG and HDH in terms of expectations.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 08:38:27 AM
I'm just ready to be able to discuss openly the additions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: t-n-t on August 13, 2014, 09:31:02 AM
Hey Swoosh, will this amaze us in any way?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 10:16:04 AM
No idea. Everyone will be different on their opinions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
The essential details of this area have been discussed in this thread for the past several months. What we are waiting to see announced is the character and theming of the area. I'm expecting good things. SDC's process has worked out well recently with TGS, Outlaw Run, and HDH. They know they need to really dress this area up to make it really advance the park's offerings, because the hardware itself is going to be so-so.

There may or may not be one particular sore thumb in the area, but I've been told that it will generally be really nice.
Title: New Video on Facebook
Post by: t-n-t on August 13, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
Did anyone happen to see the new video SDC put up under it's Facebook account this morning?  They sure are emphasizing this fire theme and neighbors helping neighbors.  Sounds a little bit like it'll be something interactive between visitors, perhaps?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 13, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
I didn't get an email, and it's 11:47. What's the news?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 13, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
I didn't get an email, and it's 11:47. What's the news?

SDC announced on Facebook that the announcement would be at noon today.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 11:59:06 AM
It sounds like they may announce some other general things for 2015 today as well, such as the show lineup, festival improvements/changes, etc.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jdporte on August 13, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
http://www.silverdollarcity.com/firemanslanding.aspx
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
Have no doubt they will do this up well on the theming front. And it will be a nice addition to SDC for families with younger ones. A bit of an underwhelming yawner on the ride front, but that's what you get with this type of area. Guess it leaves me wondering why in the world they invested in HDH when FL will greatly overshadow it with similar experiences.

I'm not disappointed at all. I wasn't really wowed either. That said, really tough to call until it's there to experience and judge in the flesh.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
I'm having trouble telling from the image: I'm assuming the Splash Yard is the splash pad that is already there, is Station No. 3 Firehouse Play Place just a revamp of the Geyser Gulch building already in place or is it a new building?

Also not surprising that the Harlem Globetrotters will have a summer show/presence.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
Let me also be the first to point out that I do believe this new area will dramatically improve the aesthetics of the former GG space. All in all, should be a very nice addition to the park. Now if we can get our B&M winged coaster soaring around and above the area to help put out the flames, it's really a whole new ballgame.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 13, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Have no doubt they will do this up well on the theming front. And it will be a nice addition to SDC for families with younger ones. A bit of an underwhelming yawner on the ride front, but that's what you get with this type of area. Guess it leaves me wondering why in the world they invested in HDH when FL will greatly overshadow it with similar experiences.

I'm not disappointed at all. I wasn't really wowed either. That said, really tough to call until it's there to experience and judge in the flesh.

Yup...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 13, 2014, 12:18:18 PM
Have no doubt they will do this up well on the theming front. And it will be a nice addition to SDC for families with younger ones. A bit of an underwhelming yawner on the ride front, but that's what you get with this type of area. Guess it leaves me wondering why in the world they invested in HDH when FL will greatly overshadow it with similar experiences.

I'm not disappointed at all. I wasn't really wowed either. That said, really tough to call until it's there to experience and judge in the flesh.

Maybe it will go in the way of the Do Do bird with the exception of carousel.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
Swoosh, or anyone else in the know...the artwork seems to indicate a pathway going toward the tracks on the far side of the area near the "junior fire escape". Do we have any reason to believe that at some point this path could continue around Silver Lake to hook up with Wilson's Farm?

A pipe dream, I know, but how cool would it be to see a future B&M winged coaster not only anchoring the area, but soaring out over the lake as well. That would make that space absolutely incredible. Truly something for everyone.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 13, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
The large foundations (near the train tracks) looks to be what will become Firestation #3.

It looks like it will have a smaller footprint than GG, but the same idea with the foam cannons.

I was 99% sure the balloons would make a return, but I am just so glad to see them in the rendering.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
The water cannons will be missed, but I'm very pleased with the look of the area. They've done a much better job of blending the rides into the area and producing a well thought-out atmosphere and experience for the whole area.

They are actually demolishing every piece of GG for this, and pushing the area back rather than building behind the old GG structure like I was assuming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 12:23:11 PM
^ Didn't they spend something like 4 million on HDH? In hindsight, that seems like it may have been a huge waste of resources, especially given the general proximity between these two areas. They really aren't all that far apart.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 13, 2014, 12:25:03 PM
While nothing from CC is in the addition, I see at least two existing rides.

I have been reading on this forum for a long time, and just registered to add my thoughts.

I like the new concept, but why did GG have to go away for this to happen? Modern amusement park design is starting to go the way of the city park.

Now, instead of my son expressing his freedom to run around and play, he will be shoehorned into a smaller space, or have to  wait in line for a ride that is a lot like the rides everywhere else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 13, 2014, 12:25:53 PM
The water cannons will be missed, but I'm very pleased with the look of the area. They've done a much better job of blending the rides into the area and producing a well thought-out atmosphere and experience for the whole area.

They are actually demolishing every piece of GG for this, and pushing the area back rather than building behind the old GG structure like I was assuming.

Notice the train crossing between 7 and 8
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 12:29:23 PM
^ Exactly what I was questioning and referring to. Could be for maintenance I suppose. Hope not though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 13, 2014, 12:29:53 PM
While nothing from CC is in the addition, I see at least two existing rides.

I have been reading on this forum for a long time, and just registered to add my thoughts.

I like the new concept, but why did GG have to go away for this to happen? Modern amusement park design is starting to go the way of the city park.

Now, instead of my son expressing his freedom to run around and play, he will be shoehorned into a smaller space, or have to  wait in line for a ride that is a lot like the rides everywhere else.

This seems t9 have lots of the same features as the play structure its replacing if not more while makinv use of the dead  areas left behind of the two closed attractions.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 13, 2014, 12:30:18 PM
Appears to be very well thought out design of course..  All new buildings, so they are secure and current...  I probably wont be in the area more than once or twice,  But it looks good..

Just have the repeated concern.... another? kids area?.   Or am I looking at this wrong.... is the balloon ride, the "bumpy" wagon and the "firefall" all considered adult rides? Therfore making the area a "family" area.

The path going back to the RR crossing looks suspicious also...  Layout for 2016 maybe.....


I Also didn't see or hear the info on the globetrotters? There all summer?  is that right?   I didn't see that coming..!~~~   LOL

Overall pleased with the way it looks.!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 13, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
Need a train depot there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 12:32:41 PM
While nothing from CC is in the addition, I see at least two existing rides.

I have been reading on this forum for a long time, and just registered to add my thoughts.

I like the new concept, but why did GG have to go away for this to happen? Modern amusement park design is starting to go the way of the city park.

Now, instead of my son expressing his freedom to run around and play, he will be shoehorned into a smaller space, or have to  wait in line for a ride that is a lot like the rides everywhere else.

Two of the rides are actually from CC. Nothing is existing, but the basic functions of GG are being replicated while also adding the rides. I don't think your comment about 'modern amusement park design' is valid here, not much is changing functionality-wise from GG. It will make more sense to you when you see it in person.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
I seriously had not been in Geyser Gulch since the late 00's (when Splash Harbor was still back there), but my memory tells me there was a bathroom building in the back corner?
1) Am I totally looney?
2) Was it taken out or left when SH was taken out?
3) Is that possibly the building next to #8 "Up the Ladder" ?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 13, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
The Baloons arent the existing ones from Tom Sawyers Landing?
I call the Swings from HH existing as they have been at SDC for a while.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
.

Just have the repeated concern.... another? kids area?.   Or am I looking at this wrong.... is the balloon ride, the "bumpy" wagon and the "firefall" all considered adult rides? Therfore making the area a "family" area.


Lol, this is replacing Geyser Gulch, of course it's a family area, what else would it be?

And in response to the question of what will happen to HDH from earlier, why shouldn't the park have two toddler areas? Just because one is bigger and new than the other doesn't make them any less useful for young parents. HDH is still a great little area that contributes to the fabric of the park and small kids really love.

I'm just surprised so many people on here and other forums were expecting a coaster or thrill rides. Hasn't anyone else been watching this site? It's all been here for months.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 13, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
It looks like the restrooms that are still there could be considered the "existing" anchor of the design.
I dont think there is room behind the new landing for a coaster...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: t-n-t on August 13, 2014, 12:39:30 PM
For myself, I'm a little, if not a lot, disappointed.  Granted, it's just my wife and I with no kids and no kids in the future so of course, this doesn't really appeal to me too much.  With that said, I think it'll be a great addition to the park for family and younger ones.  I'm looking forward to see what it looks like when it's finished and opened next year but I just can't get that excited.  The only real thrill is the 8 story drop but even that doesn't illicit feelings of grand excitement.  I'm sure it'll look great and be a fun place.  

Also, am pretty stoked about the Harlem Globetrotters.  I forgot they are part of the family now so it makes sense to bring that type of family entertainment to a family friendly park.  Am very much looking forward to that.

I think they tried to hype it up too much and just didn't succeed.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
The Baloons arent the existing ones from Tom Sawyers Landing?
I call the Swings from HH existing as they have been at SDC for a while.
It's my understanding from earlier in this topic that yes, the balloons are a re-painted Balloon Chase formerly at Tom Sawyers'. And the swings were indeed taken from HDH earlier this season. And the shot tower is repaint job on the one from CC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 13, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
I am disappointed as well. This area should have lots of water shooting out. Not just a small splash pad area.
I wonder if the "interactive" areas will result the same as Wilsons Farm, and being more inactive.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2014, 12:53:26 PM
I wonder if the "interactive" areas will result the same as Wilsons Farm, and being more inactive.

I don't think you can compare this and Wilson's Farm. At WF there's a cow (that doesn't work) and a frog race?  This is a whole playhouse that I can only assume is along the lines of what they're taking out of GG. I think it will be just as active as GG ever was.

I don't have kids, so I won't be using this area of the park that much, but GG needed some love.  And I'll do a couple of the attractions (Fire Spotter and FireFall) at least a time or two.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 12:56:13 PM
I don't understand why anyone would be disappointed with this. They are rebuilding an area aimed at younger kids. Anyone going to the park just for rides should be grateful they've also included an S&S double shot to round it out.

Not every addition is about roller coasters and thrill rides. I'm gobsmacked we're having these kinds of comments on this site of all places.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 13, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
I agree with Shave. I mean, this is coming on the heels of a major thrill ride attraction just last year. This was needed for the younger crowd and families, so that when (hopefully) they announce plans for a new coaster next year everyone will be happy. The shot tower is going to have huge lines though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Graybeard on August 13, 2014, 01:01:53 PM
It is families with lots of kids that don't have season passes and buy lots of food that keep the park open.  SDC would be bankrupt in a year if all it had to depend on was season pass holders that spend very little in the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 13, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
I like how it was put together. I was worried how the balloons would fit into a fireman's theme, but I can buy the idea of the fire spotting balloons. Also I was worried that they would have a fire truck ride like was shown in the concept drawings, but that was replaced with a Dalmatian ride. The Crazy Bus fits okay, and so does the S&S tower......not quite sure about the kid swing though (I thought they could somehow make it like a bucket brigade). But over all, it will look and feel much more part of a City than the old GG area. This is definitely an improvement.

And speaking of Dalmatians, when it said meet resident Dalmatian I was thinking of the real dog from Fire in the Hole, but if you look at the renderings, there is a costumed character.....

I also like the idea that most of this is family rides. Something that Wilson's Farm and Outlaw run is missing badly. This last weekend was the first time I had gone to the park with a wide age range of family members (4 to 62)....and the Wilson Farm part of the park is really missing something for the kids to do while waiting for everyone else to get off the big rides (high low silos doesn't quite meet the need). This new area doesn't really have the big ride scale of Barn Swing or Outlaw, but the whole family can do something here. Very nice.

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 13, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
Also, am pretty stoked about the Harlem Globetrotters.  I forgot they are part of the family now so it makes sense to bring that type of family entertainment to a family friendly park.  Am very much looking forward to that.

There isn't much on their website that I can find about the Globetrotters, but the email says, "...the world-famous Harlem Globetrotters join us for SDC's Star-Spangled Summer! For six straight weeks you'll enjoy slam-dunk hit entertainment showcasing highlights from the Globetrotters' one-of-a-kind touring show."
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Madtwins on August 13, 2014, 01:21:13 PM
:) just saw the announcement. As a father if three young girls I'm sooooooooo excited.  This looks outstanding to me
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 13, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Pretty much underwhelmed as I thought I would be. We knew most of this before so I was not expecting much. I know this is replacing a kids area, but how many kids areas do they really need? If you really look at it, why would putting in used rides from a place (CC) that was a failure be considered a smart move ? hopefully better things are on the horizon.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: saladdays on August 13, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
Pretty much underwhelmed as I thought I would be. We knew most of this before so I was not expecting much. I know this is replacing a kids area, but how many kids areas do they really need? If you really look at it, why would putting in used rides from a place (CC) that was a failure be considered a smart move ? hopefully better things are on the horizon.

Why can't you have more than one kids area?

Just because CC closed doesn't mean that some of the rides they had there were good. Would it be better if they bought a new shot tower, for example?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 01:30:55 PM
Pretty much underwhelmed as I thought I would be. We knew most of this before so I was not expecting much. I know this is replacing a kids area, but how many kids areas do they really need? If you really look at it, why would putting in used rides from a place (CC) that was a failure be considered a smart move ? hopefully better things are on the horizon.
They need several "kids" areas. In fact, they could use another one after this one on the other side of the park. It's over half their audience when you consider that most parents are there for their kids (until they realize how much else the park has in store at least).  Also, the fact that CC "failed" has nothing to do with these rides, I don't understand your point at all.

The Baloons arent the existing ones from Tom Sawyers Landing?
I call the Swings from HH existing as they have been at SDC for a while.

Ah, I see. The Balloons do seem to be the originals that were taken out around 2008, and the kiddie swings are indeed 'existing' even though they are not currently in the park (they were originally at CC). The shot tower is from CC, the Fire Wagon (Zamperla Crazy Bus) is from WA. I think the kiddie tower and dalmatians are new?

I still don't see the point of moving the kiddie swings, but I hope they put something in their original space in HDH. I can't believe they are leaving a scar like that in one of the most beautiful areas of the park.

I do plan to nit-pick the area later when I have more time to look it over, but all-in-all, it's clear SDC has made a clear progression since 2006 when the old ways seemed to break down and they were acting like it was time to turn the place into Six Flags over SDC. For whatever minor quibbles or things we would do differently, you can't deny that this is a well thought out plan that balances a lot of different issues from a lot of different types of visitors.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Parson B Ready on August 13, 2014, 01:34:13 PM
Looks good to me. As a father of six, I think it is a great replacement for Geyser Gulch.  It keeps some of the activities that people loved about GG (Giant playhouse, shooting foam balls, etc.) while adding a whole new theme.    As a Dad I want more rides that I can ride with my kids.  From a $$ perspective, surveys have shown that in most families Mom's control the vacation $$ and most Mom's will love this area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: marolinesdad on August 13, 2014, 02:12:26 PM
It looks like the old fire wagon on the square will be by the front door of the new firehouse.  Or am I just seeing things.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2014, 02:24:38 PM
It will look great.  I notice all of the lines for the rides appear to be lakeside.  The general appearance looks great, but needs to be "weathered".  The Greedy structure looks to be gone from the lake, but there is a big FL badge in that location in case it is to stay and be repainted.  Then there is that romantic gazebo structure to sit under for some shade, which will be needed greatly with there being no career trees left in the area.  What do you think the backside will look like from the train - steel building showing through with ladders and hoses hanging on the outside wall.

I do wish the "plastic" dalmations had been placed more out of the way, but it will still look better than the pinks and purples (garish) of GG, which I have disliked since the very beginning.

How 'bout those balls being enclosed more and more accessible during rainstorms?  I wonder if it will look anything like the weird waiting area for the new Dumbo rides at Disney World.  As a parent of a four-year-old, I despise those areas where I have to chase down my boy and drag him screaming out of an area like that.  On the other hand, maybe that's how the original siren was invented.

Of note, as well, is the fact that there are no upcharge games or activities in the renderings.  They probably know how much we hate those, and decided not to include them in the concept art.  They also do not show any shops or concessions, which I assume will appear in the form of wagons/kiosks (standard slushies, face painting, dippin dots, etc.).  Perhaps the toy store will partially be incorporated with the firefighting merchandise.

Now, envision the whole thing dripping with Christmas lights.  I still want a five-alarm chili wagon - especially for the cold season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
Shave, I'm not sure why you are surprised at some of the reactions (including my own).

I don't believe you'll find anyone damning the addition. It goes without saying there is value in this update, many times over. However, from a development standpoint, you also have to weigh this at face value. While yes, this area will cater to a broad demographic, it lacks the cache many expect when the tease of any major announcement lingers with speculation for months. Regardless of the variables we are certain about going into said announcement. And that's great marketing, by the way.

Two other points. There have always been mixed reviews and complaints with how GE came to fruition. I would equate this to somewhat of a sister area to that based on the offerings and its target demographic. That by nature leaves the door wide open for constructive criticism. Secondly, while we cannot expect a coaster project or true thrill ride every season, there has been legitimate speculation around a coaster potentially gracing this area since the WB was removed a long time ago.

From a buzz perspective, this is a lot like the St. Louis Rams holding the number one pick on NFL Draft Day. Many fans are always hoping for the flashy pick. The stud QB, or WR oozing with PR value. Instead, they opt for an offensive lineman. Is it sexy? Not at all. But the intent is to fill a void that could continue to strengthen the core of the franchise.

At the end of the day, it's all subjective. I don't believe anyone doubts this will be done well, and amuse many. I just think a good number of us were hoping for that extra twist to really keep us talking for the days, weeks and months to come.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: t-n-t on August 13, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Sorry Shave, not everyone has to have the same exact giddy thoughts as you. I was explaining why I'm disappointed, that's just my singular opinion. If you like it, great, I'm sure it'll do wonderfully but I don't have to like everything sdc does I'd I don't want too.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 13, 2014, 04:06:43 PM
Shave, I'm not sure why you are surprised at some of the reactions (including my own).

I don't believe you'll find anyone damning the addition. It goes without saying there is value in this update, many times over. However, from a development standpoint, you also have to weigh this at face value. While yes, this area will cater to a broad demographic, it lacks the cache many expect when the tease of any major announcement lingers with speculation for months. Regardless of the variables we are certain about going into said announcement. And that's great marketing, by the way.

Two other points. There have always been mixed reviews and complaints with how GE came to fruition. I would equate this to somewhat of a sister area to that based on the offerings and its target demographic. That by nature leaves the door wide open for constructive criticism. Secondly, while we cannot expect a coaster project or true thrill ride every season, there has been legitimate speculation around a coaster potentially gracing this area since the WB was removed a long time ago.

From a buzz perspective, this is a lot like the St. Louis Rams holding the number one pick on NFL Draft Day. Many fans are always hoping for the flashy pick. The stud QB, or WR oozing with PR value. Instead, they opt for an offensive lineman. Is it sexy? Not at all. But the intent is to fill a void that could continue to strengthen the core of the franchise.

At the end of the day, it's all subjective. I don't believe anyone doubts this will be done well, and amuse many. I just think a good number of us were hoping for that extra twist to really keep us talking for the days, weeks and months to come.   

With the exception of short span of Wild Eagle and Firechaser at Dollywood, I don't think there has ever been two coasters added in a three year span at a HFE park. I still think a coaster can fit in the Waterboggin tower area just not a large footprint B&M and that's fine. I saw the Hershey announcement for a indoor, funhouse themed spinner yesterday. I still think that's a great idea on the old Ice House idea plus it's our of the elements for better use during OTC and chilly and rainy days in the Spring. I'd love to see more indoor attractions for that reason as SDC seems to inching closer to nearly year round operations, well at least on weekends. A resort with indoor activities could really lead to that.

Cowboy, your thoughts on the lack of other smaller attractions around Wilson Farm is why I threw those ideas in on my post on the 5 year plan thread, those are easy fixes.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Shave is not giddy, but he's not surprised like some people seem to be.  He's just saying was kind of a non-event considering we've been talking about it all this time.  We're all going to be impressed with the investment, and at the very least there will be some photo spots in the area.  It's OK to be unexcited, but if we've been here for any time at all, this wasn't a surprise.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 13, 2014, 04:14:01 PM
BackInTime9 & t-n-t: Nope, sorry, but your whole thought processes here just comes off as whiny and complaining, which is something I try to steer this site away from. I balk at the word "disappointing" because the park has shown effort through developments like this to respond to some of the criticism from the peanut gallery on this site and others. Sure, this development might not be right up your alley, but if you are "disappointed" that they didn't sneak in another $10 million coaster on top of all this then nothing can be done for you. We want the PTB to give us a little credit now and then and not look at us as a community of hopeless complainers.

BackInTime9, I think I understand where you are coming from, but the speculation that has lasted for months has been primarily due to this very site where we track developments like these, big or small, for years at a time. Outlaw Run was a particularly exciting and rewarding development to watch, but they're not all like that. Most of the time we get mostly what we expect by the time it's all said and done. There have been a few coaster rumors over the years for this area, but none of them have been active anytime recently unless you are talking about 2016 and beyond.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 13, 2014, 04:31:22 PM
I agree Shave, I believe the lack of excitement for this for some is due mostly because we have been tracking this area for so long on this thread. More or less, it is pretty much what I thought it was going to be. If I was not a member of this site, I would be even more wow'd by the announcement, because there wouldn't have been so much build up. The 'average' person only had to wait about a month, from when SDC 1st went public on facebook about GG closing.

I for one like the new development. Personally, Im mostly excited about the return of the Balloon Chase, because it held so much emotional attachment for me. While I love roller coasters, I don't need to see a new one every single year. Keep this in mind too, all these rides means shorter wait times at some of the others throughout the park.

More thoughts...
People wanted the splash pads....looks like they are staying, or possibly even making it larger.
People loved the ball cannons in GG...well those are coming back too.

Overall, it will be a good addition to the park.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
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People wanted the splash pads....looks like they are staying, or possibly even making it larger.

Looks like it.  Pay attention to all the splashing behind the entrance.  The squiggles in the concept map must be the static hoses in this picture:
(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/1576532_orig.png)

That will be much more meaningful theming than a random ball toss and splash pad just for the sake of having them.  The attraction is not for me, but I can certainly appreciate the look.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 13, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
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People wanted the splash pads....looks like they are staying, or possibly even making it larger.

Looks like it.  Pay attention to all the splashing behind the entrance.  The squiggles in the concept map must be the static hoses in this picture:
(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/1576532_orig.png)

That will be much more meaningful theming than a random ball toss and splash pad just for the sake of having them.  The attraction is not for me, but I can certainly appreciate the look.

Agree completly! For me, theming is #1 and should be the most important; no mater what the ride or attraction might be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 05:11:07 PM
Here is MidwestInfoGuide's write up on the new area with press release and concept art.
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/new/silver/


Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on August 13, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
Glad to see everyones comments and thanks Swoosh for the report. As for me, I am OK at this point with what I see. It appears it will be well themed, and in keeping with the rest of the park. Good to see them recycle a few old favorites, and add a few new things. I belive the blend will work well. I know my youngest grandkids will like the little folks rides, the foam balls, and splash area. I give it a THUMBS UP at this point.Now the serious guessing about the next project can begin! Ha!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 05:54:17 PM
I'm going to try to answer some of the questions / comment on some concerns...

The artwork seems to indicate a pathway going toward the tracks on the far side of the area near the "junior fire escape". Do we have any reason to believe that at some point this path could continue around Silver Lake to hook up with Wilson's Farm?

That pathway is for BOH purposes only and will replace the current one in that area. 
If and when they do expand into that area, the pathway will connect at Outlaw Run - but that is YEARS from now if at all.

The large foundations (near the train tracks) looks to be what will become Firestation #3.
It looks like it will have a smaller footprint than GG, but the same idea with the foam cannons.

It's actually larger.  It won't be as tall, but is deeper and wider.

They are actually demolishing every piece of GG for this, and pushing the area back rather than building behind the old GG structure like I was assuming.

Yes.  I thought I had confirmed that awhile ago.

Just have the repeated concern.... another? kids area?.   Or am I looking at this wrong.... is the balloon ride, the "bumpy" wagon and the "firefall" all considered adult rides? Therfore making the area a "family" area.

It is replacing a family/kids area so not sure why you are surprised.  All attractions other than the dogs, jr. drop ride and crazy bus are considered family rides.

While nothing from CC is in the addition, I see at least two existing rides.

The S&S Shot Tower and Jr. Swings ride are both from Celebration City
The Crazy Bus is from Wild Adventures (rethemed now)
The Balloon Chase is returning to the park with new fiberglass shells
The Bounce-A-Round is new
The Jr. Drop Ride was bought from another park (rethemed now) but I am unsure what park

I like the new concept, but why did GG have to go away for this to happen? Modern amusement park design is starting to go the way of the city park.

Geyser Gulch had to go because it was in need of a major renovation and due to new ADA rules in the state it was cheaper (and easier) to just completely start from scratch.  The grading of the area will be more flat and/or gradual.  There will no longer be any additional "levels" that would require lifts.  All queue areas will be up to ADA standards.  AND if you think that the design of this area is MODERN AMUSEMENT PARK, you need to visit the other parks in the area.  This is well and above anything present at those parks.  This is a highly themed and quality designed area.

Need a train depot there.

While it doesn't seem like it, it is too close to the current station.

I seriously had not been in Geyser Gulch since the late 00's (when Splash Harbor was still back there), but my memory tells me there was a bathroom building in the back corner?

The restroom remains from Geyser Gulch / Splash Harbor.  It will receive a new facade to correspond to the new area.

The Balloons aren't the existing ones from Tom Sawyers Landing?


Yes, these are the same (well at least the hardware is) the fiberglass shells are all new

This area should have lots of water shooting out. Not just a small splash pad area.

The water splash area will be very similar in design to what is in Flik's Fun Fair at Disney California Adventure.  There will be "hoses" that go overhead that squirt and many other activities.  While there will not be water cannons to shoot targets, there might be interactive elements that you can squirt people with.

And speaking of Dalmatians, when it said meet resident Dalmatian I was thinking of the real dog from Fire in the Hole, but if you look at the renderings, there is a costumed character.....

The resident dalmatian (Jazz) resides at Fire in the Hole

It will look great.  I notice all of the lines for the rides appear to be lakeside.  The general appearance looks great, but needs to be "weathered".  The Greedy structure looks to be gone from the lake, but there is a big FL badge in that location in case it is to stay and be repainted.  Then there is that romantic gazebo structure to sit under for some shade, which will be needed greatly with there being no career trees left in the area.  What do you think the backside will look like from the train - steel building showing through with ladders and hoses hanging on the outside wall.

The lake will return to its "natural" state and there will be NO structures in Lake Silver anymore. 
The buildings will be themed "in the round"
Mature trees will be brought into the area much like the recent upgrades around the park

Perhaps the toy store will partially be incorporated with the firefighting merchandise.

It will receive a new facade this off season - make sure you take as many photos as you want of the barrel with Ragedy Ann and the cover with the wisteria as it will all be removed.

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on August 13, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
Thanks Swoosh! Interesting stuff. Love the part about the lake going back to its natural state. It almost looks like it will be a "lake park" type of feel with the gazebo and all. I really like it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on August 13, 2014, 06:35:58 PM
I like what I see.  The adaptive re-use of the double shot is fantastic.  I wonder if they will have it running with a slow lift and a free fall to simulate answering the bell?  There's plenty of opportunity for storytellin' here if you retrofit some fancy electronic gizmos, but it sure enough looks pretty in the pictures.  I'm for weathering too, although it wouldn't kill me either way.  It'd just be better with it, I think.  Riding dalmatians is a bit nutty too. Why not just have the kiddos riding shotgun with plastic dalmatians on fire wagons?  Now every lil' rascal that boards this ride is going to want to go home and jump on the family Fido for a ride around the living room, which is already a problem enough.  But I digress.  

I think it looks better than GG, but I don't know if it will be more liked by the GP.


Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: BackInTime9 on August 13, 2014, 06:47:51 PM
BackInTime9 & t-n-t: Nope, sorry, but your whole thought processes here just comes off as whiny and complaining, which is something I try to steer this site away from.

Please don't take my comments out of context. As I said, no one (including myself) is damning the project. I think it will fill the area beautifully. I was simply pointing out that given some of the variables and discussion in play, it fell a bit short of my hopes. I have two kids under the age of seven who will both be enjoying this area soon enough, so please don't take my opinion as disappointing or whining. I'm plenty old and open-minded enough to know that it's ridiculous to expect a thrill seekers paradise every time a new season rolls around.

It's all good. Anyone started a 2016 thread yet? :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
To those complaining about riding dalmatians... how is this any different than riding frogs and insects in the Grand Expo?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 13, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
I totally nailed the Crazy Bus... Just saying.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
To those complaining about riding dalmatians... how is this any different than riding frogs and insects in the Grand Expo?

I think this works much better....I mean, when you were a kid who didn't try to ride on the back of the family dog?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: SDC#1fan on August 13, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
I totally nailed the double tower I just went in the wrong direction (I went bigger they went smaller). Also is the large tower coming out of the top of a building? Or am I just seeing things wrong.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 13, 2014, 09:35:13 PM
 Perhaps the new splash pads and water hoses can help you out with that.  Just enjoy that fact that we got an announcement today and that they didn't make us wait until November, which they have been known to do. 

Frankly, I'm excited about the new addition.  This will give my little one more rides she can ride and my bigger kids will enjoy it as well.  I think it will be a great way to incorporate some new rides and I truly hope they so something good with the area for toddlers. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on August 13, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
Hey I dig it. My vote was for the old Fireworks factory but thats ok.
The area looks beautiful though & it will be a great adornment to Lake Silver.

Here's my thought though. Will it add or take away interest in FITH. Since there is a new Fireman theme going on will they put any of that love into Fire station No.1
No one has talked about the impact it may or may not have on it.

.....& for goodness sake Where is Fire Station No.2 ??? ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 13, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
Burned down due to the lack of volunteer fire fighters to put the fire out?   So many possibilities!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 13, 2014, 10:03:46 PM
Is it #3 because this is the 3rd retheme of that area of the park?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
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Is it #3 because this is the 3rd retheme of that area of the park?

What do you mean, Swoosh?  

It was nothing but lake bank, then it was GG, and now it will be FL.  This is only the second theme in there.  The Greedy Brothers loaded on the other side by LR.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on August 13, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
Not only should we not expect a new big "thrill" coaster ride every year, personally I do not even WANT that.  This park is about more than new thrill rides and I don't want the PTB to forget that.

All I care about is the actual theme of the new place.  And I don't mean the overall theme: the fireman's landing thing is good, but I'm more concerned with the meat and potatoes.  What is it actually going to LOOK like?  It needs to be themed more than just the name and concept alone.  Is it going to look like something from 2015 or like something from the 1880s?  I realize it is going to look new because it is, but I hope it at least looks "weathered" and is done in a way the historic park was done.  Hard to explain I guess.

It is an upgrade.  I'll withhold further judgement until I can see it.

And to those wondering about all the "kids" places, I will say this.  I still think there are more places for adults in the park.  And you also need to realize that smart business is to provide memories for children, who will in turn come back when they are adults to bring their kids.  Like most of us on this board.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on August 13, 2014, 10:18:39 PM
Here's my thought though. Will it add or take away interest in FITH. Since there is a new Fireman theme going on will they put any of that love into Fire station No.1
No one has talked about the impact it may or may not have on FITH.


I don't think people will lose interest in FITH because FITH and FL are two different things. I don't think added family rides and a drop tower will take interest away from a classic roller coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Mountain Man on August 13, 2014, 10:22:57 PM
What a let down!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 13, 2014, 10:33:57 PM
Yes, there are many "let downs":  ride operators will let you down after shooting you skyward on the two towers, they will let you down after letting you soar at tree level in a hot air balloon, and they will let you come down from the upper levels of the Fire Drill ballroom.  Silver Dollar City is all about letting people down.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2014, 12:25:05 AM
Isn't the smaller drop tower just the same ride rethemed that was at CC as well.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 12:32:08 AM
^That's what I thought.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: HeyWheatBread on August 14, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
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SWOOSH: The water splash area will be very similar in design to what is in Flik's Fun Fair at Disney California Adventure.  There will be "hoses" that go overhead that squirt and many other activities.  While there will not be water cannons to shoot targets, there might be interactive elements that you can squirt people with.

Here's a video of what Swoosh is talking about:
http://youtu.be/zLcbDCAbNfE

Also, I noticed that on the SDC site it says that the Firehouse Splash Yard will have "Squirting water jets AND pump hoses", which makes me think that there probably will be interactive elements.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on August 14, 2014, 12:41:21 AM
To those complaining about riding dalmatians... how is this any different than riding frogs and insects in the Grand Expo?

I think this works much better....I mean, when you were a kid who didn't try to ride on the back of the family dog?

Jay

Really I don't like any of them, but the way I figure, back in the expo, anything can kinda go.  I'd like a freakshow back in the expo though, for historical accuracy (and to scare the tykes!) 

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2014, 06:08:39 AM
Isn't the smaller drop tower just the same ride rethemed that was at CC as well.

In hindsight they probably wish they would have kept that ride, but the one that was at CC was sold.  This is a different one.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Mountain Man on August 14, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
Our kids were looking forward to something more original.  This is the same song different verse as their last expansion.  These rides that they have pick are very similar to what they already have on park.  I'm just really surprised they could not come up with something a little better.  They need to start thinking outside the box and come up with something more original.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
^What? I don't even...

This is an incredibly original and thoughtful addition. Few other parks on this planet outside of Orlando and Hollywood do this kind of thing, most just plop down a few cookie-cutter rides. What 'last expansion' are you referring to? Outlaw Run, the massive wooden coaster from last year? HDH, the toddler area that was added before that? Riverblast? The Giant Swing? Grand Expo was added back in 2006 and was the last addition to feature a collection of rides. I'll grant that the two smaller kiddie rides are similar to some in GE, but there's not a lot of variance with kiddie rides. SDC does not have any tower rides until this addition, and the Zamperla Crazy Bus is an entirely new motion. The Balloons are also a unique experience that you have to try out to appreciate. The theming, atmosphere, and total area experience being created here is phenomenal and unheard of for most parks this size.

Honestly, when stuff like this gets posted I feel like pulling a Robb Alvey and just banning people. I finally understand where his attitude comes from. After almost a decade of following this park through this site and outlining our hopes and wishes for how the park should be developed, here is a development that responds to a lot of that while also meeting the park's need to appeal to a broad range of visitors. I'm not asking anyone to "love" the addition, or even be happy about it, but if you are going to criticize it at least be constructive and use basic common sense. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
Back to the real discussion,

I'm still a little confused about what's happening with the shot tower. Now that I look at it carefully, it does sound like it will be running a drop tower program instead of the double shot. That would be a little disappointing and make it less appealing to thrill seekers, but it would definitely make it fit the area better. As a drop tower it would be a pretty meager family ride, but the double shot program gave a lot of intense air at the top that was really fun. As a junior drop tower the issue of capacity would go down significantly though, so it all makes sense.

I also thought they were adding a bigger carriage to the tower at first, but it looks like the concept artwork is just warped so you see three sides at once.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Theme parks and vacation spots hold special places in our hearts.  We visit, and we have experiences that stay with us all our lives.  With fondness, we remember the rides, the shows, the historical significance, the beauty, and we pass the experiences generationally.

Because of this, we often take ownership of a place or a thing that does not belong to us.  We come to think we can insult the true managers of a place or thing because it is ours.  After all, it was our experiences that brought us to a place - and back to the same place.  We see changes, and we think, I would have done it differently, or if only they had asked me for my ideas...  Call it "armchair vacation design" if you will.

Sitting back, however, we must realize that the property, the investment in capital and the employment of personnel is not really ours.  Thus, the decisions made are not ours.  We were not privy to the process of deciding to change this or add that.  We were not in the conversation of deciding to solve a problem or issue in a particular manner.  We might want to be, but most of us would not have the skills or the know-how to make such choices, weighing the opportunity cost, designing the marketing, meeting the needs and demands of management, increasing public attraction, all while balancing the checkbook.

We own it solely in our imaginations, and in our imaginations there is no criticism - just our own vision, just our own desires, just our own experiences...and an unlimited budget without risk of failure.  In our imaginations, we see only happy faces; we fail so see the physics, the economics, and the rule of law.  But that's OK because we do own our imaginations.

We make the same harsh criticism on highway design, restaurants, and television programs.  We question the store that puts display in the aisle.  We wonder why a car does not have certain amenities.  But that's different.  Those things are not like our childhood memories of a vacation getaway.  Those things do not hold the same level of nostalgia for us.  We don't "own" those things like we do our experiences.

So the next time we visit a national park, state-of-the-art museum, or theme park, we must remind ourselves that we have purchased a ticket to someone else's imagination.  We have crossed the turnstile to someone else's pocketbook.  We have visited someone else's property.  But that does not remove our ability to experience it and pass it to the next generation.  If we still enjoy the rides, the shows, the historical significance, and the beauty that is there - and not worry about what it looks like in our imaginary worlds - then we will have something worth keeping and a memory worth repeating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
^^Either way would be fine.  I think it's interesting that it looks like loading the tower will occur inside the building and riders will be suddenly, or slowly pulled into full sunlight.  That can only enhance the ride.

I also wonder about the "shade" structures for the lineage.  It appears that they may be constructing a number of "ladders" for this, though that may just be the way it appears in the artwork.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Mountain Man on August 14, 2014, 10:27:34 AM
^What? I don't even...

This is an incredibly original and thoughtful addition. Few other parks on this planet outside of Orlando and Hollywood do this kind of thing, most just plop down a few cookie-cutter rides. What 'last expansion' are you referring to? Outlaw Run, the massive wooden coaster from last year? HDH, the toddler area that was added before that? Riverblast? The Giant Swing? Grand Expo was added back in 2006 and was the last addition to feature a collection of rides. I'll grant that the two smaller kiddie rides are similar to some in GE, but there's not a lot of variance with kiddie rides. SDC does not have any tower rides until this addition, and the Zamperla Crazy Bus is an entirely new motion. The Balloons are also a unique experience that you have to try out to appreciate. The theming, atmosphere, and total area experience being created here is phenomenal and unheard of for most parks this size.

Honestly, when stuff like this gets posted I feel like pulling a Robb Alvey and just banning people. I finally understand where his attitude comes from. After almost a decade of following this park through this site and outlining our hopes and wishes for how the park should be developed, here is a development that responds to a lot of that while also meeting the park's need to appeal to a broad range of visitors. I'm not asking anyone to "love" the addition, or even be happy about it, but if you are going to criticize it at least be constructive and use basic common sense. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 14, 2014, 10:30:18 AM
There's a piece in the News Leader about a DIY Network show that's taking pieces from GG and turning it into a Fireman's memorial art piece to be installed at the new FL:
http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/08/13/tv-stars-salvaging-parts-geyser-gulch/14025177/ (http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/08/13/tv-stars-salvaging-parts-geyser-gulch/14025177/)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 14, 2014, 10:34:37 AM
^What? I don't even...


Honestly, when stuff like this gets posted I feel like pulling a Robb Alvey and just banning people. I finally understand where his attitude comes from. After almost a decade of following this park through this site and outlining our hopes and wishes for how the park should be developed, here is a development that responds to a lot of that while also meeting the park's need to appeal to a broad range of visitors. I'm not asking anyone to "love" the addition, or even be happy about it, but if you are going to criticize it at least be constructive and use basic common sense. 

Sorry that some of us are less than thrilled and do not buy into everything HFE throws out there. I sure did not know that criticism or disappointment in something was a offense on this site to be banned for. Guess I better line up like a good little sheep. Everyone has there own ideas and hopes for the parks improvement.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 10:54:22 AM
Nothing wrong with disagreeing and saying it, but the tone is in question.  This is a fan site and the tone needs to be generally positive and certainly civil, but it's understandable that we may not agree with everything.

ICYMI: 

Theme parks and vacation spots hold special places in our hearts.  We visit, and we have experiences that stay with us all our lives.  With fondness, we remember the rides, the shows, the historical significance, the beauty, and we pass the experiences generationally.

Because of this, we often take ownership of a place or a thing that does not belong to us.  We come to think we can insult the true managers of a place or thing because it is ours.  After all, it was our experiences that brought us to a place - and back to the same place.  We see changes, and we think, I would have done it differently, or if only they had asked me for my ideas...  Call it "armchair vacation design" if you will.

Sitting back, however, we must realize that the property, the investment in capital and the employment of personnel is not really ours.  Thus, the decisions made are not ours.  We were not privy to the process of deciding to change this or add that.  We were not in the conversation of deciding to solve a problem or issue in a particular manner.  We might want to be, but most of us would not have the skills or the know-how to make such choices, weighing the opportunity cost, designing the marketing, meeting the needs and demands of management, increasing public attraction, all while balancing the checkbook.

We own it solely in our imaginations, and in our imaginations there is no criticism - just our own vision, just our own desires, just our own experiences...and an unlimited budget without risk of failure.  In our imaginations, we see only happy faces; we fail so see the physics, the economics, and the rule of law.  But that's OK because we do own our imaginations.

We make the same harsh criticism on highway design, restaurants, and television programs.  We question the store that puts display in the aisle.  We wonder why a car does not have certain amenities.  But that's different.  Those things are not like our childhood memories of a vacation getaway.  Those things do not hold the same level of nostalgia for us.  We don't "own" those things like we do our experiences.

So the next time we visit a national park, state-of-the-art museum, or theme park, we must remind ourselves that we have purchased a ticket to someone else's imagination.  We have crossed the turnstile to someone else's pocketbook.  We have visited someone else's property.  But that does not remove our ability to experience it and pass it to the next generation.  If we still enjoy the rides, the shows, the historical significance, and the beauty that is there - and not worry about what it looks like in our own imaginary worlds - then we will have something worth keeping and a memory worth repeating.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2014, 10:55:22 AM
^^I've been one of HFEC's most vocal and persistent critics online for the past decade. I definitely don't "buy into everything HFE throws out there".

My whole point is, we've been vocal about so much over the past years, and when the park finally seems to start responding to that as best they can and our boards are STILL full of bitching and complaining, then what's the point? They might as well cheap out on us if we're going to be "disappointed" and "let down" no matter what. Seriously, we've been watching this for a year now, we knew almost exactly what was going to be announced, the hope was that the area would still look good and contribute to the park's fabric and excellent atmosphere. And we got that.

Sure, there's still some constructive criticism to be made even on this addition, and I'm fine with that, but just throwing the park under the bus when they are going way beyond the standard of any other park within a 1000 mile radius is just bonkers, and it makes this site useless as a fan medium.

SO, if you're going to complain - do it constructively and make sure it makes sense!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Mountain Man on August 14, 2014, 11:25:11 AM
^^I've been one of HFEC's most vocal and persistent critics online for the past decade. I definitely don't "buy into everything HFE throws out there".

My whole point is, we've been vocal about so much over the past years, and when the park finally seems to start responding to that as best they can and our boards are STILL full of bitching and complaining, then what's the point? They might as well cheap out on us if we're going to be "disappointed" and "let down" no matter what. Seriously, we've been watching this for a year now, we knew almost exactly what was going to be announced, the hope was that the area would still look good and contribute to the park's fabric and excellent atmosphere. And we got that.

Sure, there's still some constructive criticism to be made even on this addition, and I'm fine with that, but just throwing the park under the bus when they are going way beyond the standard of any other park within a 1000 mile radius is just bonkers, and it makes this site useless as a fan medium.

SO, if you're going to complain - do it constructively and make sure it makes sense!!!

I'm simply stating that I believe the park could of done better on this new addition.  Its nothing new as stated before.  It's just an opinion and if opinions can not be said than what is the point of a discussion.  I have opinions as you do.  I'm not saying anything bad about what you have said.  I respect your comments.  That said, I do not have to agree with them.  As many of the people I have talked to and work there express my thoughts.  I'm sure it will be nice and our kids will enjoy going to see it.  But are we overly excited about it and can't wait for next year? No.  Its not something that has us counting down the day's.  I hope their vision in the future will expand past the norm and blow us away as most of their new attractions have.  We are looking forward to what comes in 2017 maybe it will be something new.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Preachin_Bill on August 14, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
^^I've been one of HFEC's most vocal and persistent critics online for the past decade. I definitely don't "buy into everything HFE throws out there".

My whole point is, we've been vocal about so much over the past years, and when the park finally seems to start responding to that as best they can and our boards are STILL full of bitching and complaining, then what's the point? They might as well cheap out on us if we're going to be "disappointed" and "let down" no matter what. Seriously, we've been watching this for a year now, we knew almost exactly what was going to be announced, the hope was that the area would still look good and contribute to the park's fabric and excellent atmosphere. And we got that.

Sure, there's still some constructive criticism to be made even on this addition, and I'm fine with that, but just throwing the park under the bus when they are going way beyond the standard of any other park within a 1000 mile radius is just bonkers, and it makes this site useless as a fan medium.

SO, if you're going to complain - do it constructively and make sure it makes sense!!!

I'm simply stating that I believe the park could of done better on this new addition.  Its nothing new as stated before.  It's just an opinion and if opinions can not be said than what is the point of a discussion.  I have opinions as you do.  I'm not saying anything bad about what you have said.  I respect your comments.  That said, I do not have to agree with them.  As many of the people I have talked to and work there express my thoughts.  I'm sure it will be nice and our kids will enjoy going to see it.  But are we overly excited about it and can't wait for next year? No.  Its not something that has us counting down the day's.  I hope their vision in the future will expand past the norm and blow us away as most of their new attractions have.  We are looking forward to what comes in 2017 maybe it will be something new.

And what exactly do you think that should be?  Just curious.  I guess I, like many others, don't really understand what you thought this was going to be?  It's a huge area and an upgrade to what was there before.  Did you expect another Outlaw Run?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
Welcome to the forum, Mountain Man.

Now can we all get back to discussing the actual addition?  All of this is getting in the way of the real discussion.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2014, 12:42:13 PM

I'm simply stating that I believe the park could of done better on this new addition.  Its nothing new as stated before.  It's just an opinion and if opinions can not be said than what is the point of a discussion.  I have opinions as you do.  I'm not saying anything bad about what you have said.  I respect your comments.  That said, I do not have to agree with them.  As many of the people I have talked to and work there express my thoughts.  I'm sure it will be nice and our kids will enjoy going to see it.  But are we overly excited about it and can't wait for next year? No.  Its not something that has us counting down the day's.  I hope their vision in the future will expand past the norm and blow us away as most of their new attractions have.  We are looking forward to what comes in 2017 maybe it will be something new.

That's fine, that's a much more reasonable way to put it than you had before.


Anyway, back to the discussion at hand:

What is the fire wagon that is parked in front of the new building? Will it be the same one that is currently on the main square? What will happen to the classic fire station structure that has been on the main square for so long? I'm hoping they keep it in place, it's a classic piece of old Herschend charm in the heart of the city. They can build a new fire wagon for FL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 14, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
What is the fire wagon that is parked in front of the new building? Will it be the same one that is currently on the main square? What will happen to the classic fire station structure that has been on the main square for so long? I'm hoping they keep it in place, it's a classic piece of old Herschend charm in the heart of the city. They can build a new fire wagon for FL.

I'm not sure what they have parked in front of the new building, but maybe this is why it is called Fire Station 3? Fire Station Structure on main is #1 and Fire in the Hole #2?

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 01:28:15 PM
It looks like the same type of vehicle.  The one on the square is No. 1, as is FitH.  This is a mystery.

It would free up needed space on the square if they moved it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 14, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
It looks like the same type of vehicle.  The one on the square is No. 1, as is FitH.  This is a mystery.
No one ever said hillbillies were the best at counting ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
Well then, how do you explain the song - 99 bottles of moonshine on the wall...?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Hollwood on August 14, 2014, 03:08:02 PM
My wife and I were having the same discussion about the Firehouse Number. Dollywood named theirs a Firehouse Number 7, signifying their 7th rollercoaster. In the past, numbers at SDC signified the year things were built/made, with 18 put in front of it. This has to have some Signifigance, as almost everything in SDC does. Here are my speculations; it is the third Firehouse/Firefighting structure with FITH sporting the Number 1 above its entrance. I have never seen a number on the Firetower on the square. This will also be the third area constructed in the, what I would like to call, the Planet Snoopy/Lonely Toons fashion. (GE and HDH being the first two). This will be the third makeover of the area, if you count Greedy Brothers. Jesus rose on the third day. That's all I have...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
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it is the third Firehouse/Firefighting structure with FITH sporting the Number 1 above its entrance

If that is true, then I think this is the most likely explanation.  I can't fathom the display on the square as being a "station" though.  I don't think the number is on the structure, but there is a No. 1 on back of the pump itself.

I just don't buy the "third incarnation of the area" reasoning.  Greedy Brothers has nothing to do with that shoreline; it only interacted with the island structure in the lake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on August 14, 2014, 04:52:29 PM
Oddly enough, the first actual fire station is still standing, with it's lookout tower, next to FM.  Cowboy Jepp's is now located there...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on August 14, 2014, 05:29:27 PM
Thats what I wanted to get into. The histories & the significance of The "Themed" fire stations.
As far back as I can remember (early 80's) FITH had always been Fire station #1 though it may be off topic a bit.

Also about the complaining. Hey its not what I wanted to see either but ya know what?
Its all about memories created.
My daughter is 11 now & shes been coming to SDC since she was a baby. Her memories are going to involve GE & GG & now OR & FL.
Just as mine were the Diving Bell & The original AP & Tom Sawyers Tree house & infinity room.

Things Change we just got to accept it & have fun. I was never crazy about GG when First saw it but my daughter had a blast in it that's all that matters to me.

SDC will always be my park. I've only been to WOF twice. & no other theme parks & I don't care because SDC is my home lol
So cheers to HFE.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 14, 2014, 06:26:20 PM
The S&S Tower will run the double shot program.
The shade structures over the queues will be a lot like the ones in GE

Mountain Man, are you just trolling or something?  Because I don't even know how to respond to something like that.  I was really close to posting the Joker "not sure if serious" meme when I read it TBQH.

Quite honestly, I would imagine that it would take quite a bit of work to find something wrong with this addition.  When you go to TPR and read their thread and honestly other than some teenagers who are never satisfied, I cannot find a negative comment on it.  That's saying something considering how they tore apart Thunderbird at Holiday World after it was announced.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 14, 2014, 07:40:56 PM
^Good to know about the double shot program. That will make this area really worth stopping in for me. Thanks for the other info you posted earlier as well.

We're not going back to the "how to complain" discussion though.  ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: PastorDon on August 14, 2014, 07:55:52 PM
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The fact that there's more to do than coasters is usually the only way I can convince people to even take a look at going to SDC. People my age group don't necessarily like the Six Flags experience any more than you. SDC has done virtually nothing but focus on rides since 2001, so there's plenty for everyone to do.

Shave, the above comment reminded me of the very first time I visited SDC.  We brought our church youth group thinking that they would really go for the thrill rides like Wildfire which had just opened at the time.  The funny thing was that they spent most of their time (especially a couple of the boys) visiting the shops.  It's a good reminder that it's not a good idea to pigeonhole demographic groups. 

I, on the other hand, wouldn't have gotten within a mile of a ride like Wildfire at the time, but a year or two later rode TNT and that gave me the courage to try Wildfire, and I was hooked.  So now, at 54, I love the thrill rides, the dark rides and the craftsmen & shops.  About the only thing I miss about a park like Disneyland is the dark rides with the amazing special effects and theming like the Haunted House. 

Of course I'm disappointed there's not going to be another amazing thrill ride with this addition, but I love the theming and think it's a big improvement over GG.  Looking forward to being in the city tomorrow night and getting my first ride on Outlaw Run!   ;D

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 14, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
SDC's facebook page appears to have done a complete reversal from the naysaying that they were receiving the days before the announcement.  It's interesting to see how many think it's replacing FitH.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on August 14, 2014, 10:50:31 PM
SDC could do more to market itself better regionally. There has been an emphasis on the new ride or in the case of this year, the new summer festival. Lots on new folks moving into the area that don't really know much about it and all they are getting is ride promos.

SDC is getting a good bang for their buck for this if the 8 million figure is true. That's about half of what Hershey Park is spending for a new indoor coaster.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 15, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
I like the look of the building, not so fond of the walk around Dalmatian.  This is replacing a kids area so its not surprising its geared to kids but I would like to see a restaurant or something inserted that adults can appreciate as well.  When they try Disney is very good at this.  Most of GE is a waiting area for adults, waiting for kids to get off the rides because they are not geared to adults.  I would like to see something of a crossover attraction in the area.  Spinning is not an adult friendly motion, the double shot is lackluster and frankly never has much of a line at CC.  I hope SDC inserts something that is attractive to all age groups.  Think FM, or FITH. possibly they will clone the new DW coaster next year in this area to throw those above 10 years old a bone.
But the trees..... they removed the trees again.  Is it lack of willingness to plan around a select few specimens? or just the easy way?  You can say that the planting of new trees is good and I will not argue that but you cannot plant a 30 year old tree that gives the sense of history and the illusion of age.  I look forward to the new area on the lake and hope that they throw the adults a bone.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 15, 2014, 08:40:47 AM
SDC has marketed this new area for "ages 3-93." once again with the #3 being used. hmmm  ???

If it truly is for all ages, what will the grandparents be doing here? The concept art doesn't show any shops, restaurant or crafts.

That's my constructive criticism. Only because they are using the age range as wide as they are.

I love the thematics of the area, and once again, I think it is a major improvement over GG.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 15, 2014, 09:58:53 AM
So you suggest that parents will be waiting in restaurants and shops while their 7-10 year olds ride the rides and run the place?  That's a scary thought.  Ii'd rather have an area that makes the parents pay attention to what is going on instead of shopping or eating.  We have taught our children to be responsible but I would never let them run around an area that large unsupervised.  The plan they have will keep parents attention where it should be...the kids.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 15, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
What I am saying is, there is no 'interaction' with the grandparents and kids (other than just watching). For instant, they cant ride on the small kiddie rides, and I just cant see them rocketing up 8 stories either. If it truly is for ages up to "93" there should be things that they could do as well. I wasn't implying that they should go into the restaurant or shops without the kids, but the kids would be joining them. A "family" style ride would be the Flooded Mine, that would be what I would consider someone "ages 9-93" could ride.

Basically I love the area, I think it's great, I have said that several times...I think it's a great addition, and I love the thematics. I'm just saying it is marketed odd with the "9-93" statement.  
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Mountain Man on August 15, 2014, 10:29:35 AM
SDC has marketed this new area for "ages 3-93." once again with the #3 being used. hmmm  ???

If it truly is for all ages, what will the grandparents be doing here? The concept art doesn't show any shops, restaurant or crafts.

That's my constructive criticism. Only because they are using the age range as wide as they are.

I love the thematics of the area, and once again, I think it is a major improvement over GG.

Thats what i'm saying.  GE at least had a few rides that would interest everyone.  The giant swing my 80 year old mother in-law loves. It would be nice if the new area had something new and family related. I like the idea of a place to eat.  Maybe a firehouse setting.  The kids could be served a meal in a fire helmet that they could enjoy wearing after their meal as a nice gift.  A nice coffee shop for adults to hangout and relax would be nice. It would also be cool for an interactive fire fighter building.  A place the kids could have water cannons to put out a mock building that actually has fire coming out of it.  That would be something original and cool.  Have some buildings that look like they have smoke coming out of it every once in awhile.  Things like that.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 15, 2014, 01:22:55 PM

What is the fire wagon that is parked in front of the new building? Will it be the same one that is currently on the main square? What will happen to the classic fire station structure that has been on the main square for so long? I'm hoping they keep it in place, it's a classic piece of old Herschend charm in the heart of the city. They can build a new fire wagon for FL.

I'm not sure what they have parked in front of the new building, but maybe this is why it is called Fire Station 3? Fire Station Structure on main is #1 and Fire in the Hole #2?

Jay
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I sure hope so! I always look forward to seeing that on Main Street.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on August 15, 2014, 01:31:02 PM
Quote
The fact that there's more to do than coasters is usually the only way I can convince people to even take a look at going to SDC. People my age group don't necessarily like the Six Flags experience any more than you. SDC has done virtually nothing but focus on rides since 2001, so there's plenty for everyone to do.

Shave, the above comment reminded me of the very first time I visited SDC.  We brought our church youth group thinking that they would really go for the thrill rides like Wildfire which had just opened at the time.  The funny thing was that they spent most of their time (especially a couple of the boys) visiting the shops.  It's a good reminder that it's not a good idea to pigeonhole demographic groups. 

I, on the other hand, wouldn't have gotten within a mile of a ride like Wildfire at the time, but a year or two later rode TNT and that gave me the courage to try Wildfire, and I was hooked.  So now, at 54, I love the thrill rides, the dark rides and the craftsmen & shops.  About the only thing I miss about a park like Disneyland is the dark rides with the amazing special effects and theming like the Haunted House. 

Of course I'm disappointed there's not going to be another amazing thrill ride with this addition, but I love the theming and think it's a big improvement over GG.  Looking forward to being in the city tomorrow night and getting my first ride on Outlaw Run!   ;D



I don't usually have much to say about the rides, but your post about a haunted dark ride got me to thinking: Wouldn't it be cool to have a haunted ride that incorporated something like the "haint" in Mutton Hollow - you know, the one in the Shepherd of the Hills play?  Now, that would be in theme and VERY COOL appealing to a large diverse age group.   ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 15, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
Omygoodness yall........its been AGES since I have had time to write anything but smarty pants papers. I am in the senior year of getting my degree and its off to Doctorates school!!! So forgive me for being so quiet. I have been watching and reading. I hope I haven't been forgotten. So as for the new addition.....

I for one am looking forward to it. I couldn't believe it had been 20 years since GG opened!!! And despite complaints that I have seen GG was showing its age. Sure it has a lot of memories. So did Huck Finns Hide Away and Rube Dugans Diving Bell. It was those memories that have us coming back year after year and the new area will give the new generation reason to come back year after year. I am dern excited that they kept some of the elements from GG and yet are adding to as well. While my son has grown to enjoy all but Wildfire there is a whole slew of kids who will be able to enjoy more now. I am looking at the sunny side of this project. New rides my whole family can enjoy instead of one parent going then the other going with child. The splash pad will be great to play in. Looking forward to seeing the firemans obstacle course they touted. Not so sure about the wagon ride (crazy bus) Seems lame but they cant all be winners.....
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 15, 2014, 02:36:07 PM
I think you guys are going to be pleasantly surprised by the double shot. It may be small, but it is a forceful and fun ride for all ages. It was pretty much my favorite ride at CC after the Wildcat and Jack Rabbit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: HeyWheatBread on August 15, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
I'm glad to hear that the S&S Tower will be running the Double Shot program!
Makes it that much more appealing for me!  I'm a married 29-year-old with no kids, but I'm still looking forward to cooling off in the splash pads and enjoying the revamping of that area!  ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on August 16, 2014, 04:57:14 AM
The double shot program will definitely give us more sustained g forces.  FITH will still give us more 'gee' forces, as in "Awww geeee, wow!!!"  I wasn't expecting the 20th anniversary special edition of the Tower of Terror.  The building does look great, and I can't see anything other than what's in the pictures, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with always wishing for more.  Otherwise, it's like saying you think it's perfect, and frankly I haven't thought of any addition as being perfect, going back as far as I can remember to LRO, although I'd think WF and now OR would be nearly considered so by the overwhelming majority.   I was never a fan of the look of the GG structure and so this suits me fine, although we'll just have to wait and see what the GP thinks.  I think it will be considered at least a modest improvement overall.  I didn't know Miss Mary, but I tend to think she'd be pretty positive about FL and that says it all. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Runner1960 on August 16, 2014, 07:09:14 AM
This probably does not belong here, but it kind of does too. With the new addition-upgrade if you would take the park and draw a straight line from HDH through main street down through the lake it seems like the west side ( thunderation side) is growing as more of the family side of the park. Where as The East side is more the thrill side. Wonder if this is intentional or just how things are progressing? Feel free to move this to a new topic if appropriate.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: biscuitcreek on August 16, 2014, 08:22:59 AM
Here's the Friday 8/15 article from Branson Tri-Lakes News about the new area. It has quotes from Brad Thomas and Lisa Rau.

http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_b9579f66-24b6-11e4-aa1f-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 16, 2014, 08:33:25 AM
Runner, it's easier to hide coasters on the side of a hill and that's where the hill is
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 16, 2014, 09:58:19 AM
Quote
People wanted the splash pads....looks like they are staying, or possibly even making it larger.

Looks like it.  Pay attention to all the splashing behind the entrance.  The squiggles in the concept map must be the static hoses in this picture:
(http://www.weebly.com/uploads/6/0/7/6/6076564/1576532_orig.png)

That will be much more meaningful theming than a random ball toss and splash pad just for the sake of having them.  The attraction is not for me, but I can certainly appreciate the look.

And it's certainly not an out-of-theme World of Flight with airplanes <shudder>
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on August 16, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
This probably does not belong here, but it kind of does too. With the new addition-upgrade if you would take the park and draw a straight line from HDH through main street down through the lake it seems like the west side ( thunderation side) is growing as more of the family side of the park. Where as The East side is more the thrill side. Wonder if this is intentional or just how things are progressing? Feel free to move this to a new topic if appropriate.

In the eighties, when Sawyer's Landing was still in tact, the inner "circle" of the park was intended for families, with larger, "concentric" circles becoming more and more for the wilder attractions.  The intention was to keep the younger ones "confined" a little bit more.  It was a great idea, but with so many exits from the inner circle, parents had to be on the alert of a little one wandering out.  The current plan works better all around.  I believe there is something to be said for your theory, and it works for Swoosh's response, as well:  it keeps the teens more "confined" on the wilder hillside, gives families areas with single exits, and sets the coasters on a hillside.  Who doesn't love that OR is as close to the ground as possible, using the contour of the hill!  I say keep using the hill and the trees like that whenever possible, and those attractions will keep making SDC the unique destination that it is.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on August 16, 2014, 06:44:02 PM
Most of the time we don't go past lost river.  Not that the other side isn't great, but coasters take our family out with motion sickness.  I like that I don't have to trek all across the park!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 17, 2014, 05:30:40 PM
They're not wasting any time on the deconstruction.
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/08.17/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: cowboy on August 17, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
They're not wasting any time on the deconstruction.
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/08.17/

Wow, that's a lot carefully coming down. Just last week not much demolition could be seen, but this week it's coming down fast...

Jay
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 17, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
They had to wait for Salvage Dogs to get done filming.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Coaster on August 17, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
I love it. I love it, and I will probably only be utilizing a couple of the new features of the area. I can't help but compare it to the GE since that was the last large addition the park made where they were advertising it as 10 new attractions for the entire family. And when I compare it to GE, FL is far and away a vast vast improvement. I really love the look of the brick fire station with the bell tower on top and the concept art of the shot tower, and how it comes out of the building. The look of these two things alone are more theming than we received with GE (although I am happy with how that area has progressed to become more shaded and inviting. I am not completely bashing GE). Along with the main centerpieces of the area, I love the gazebo on the lakefront and really like how the lake is going all natural now. It seems more time period appropriate.

The entire area is an upgrade over GG, which even growing up never really had my attention. The area is much more 1880's than GG ever was. I'm just really excited with the direction the park seems to be heading in with its recent additions. I guess that puts me right in agreement with Shave.

I guess my only complaint for the area is the lack of shopping, or more specifically and especially a craftsman or restaurant. It seems like a prime opportunity to place a fireman's themed restaurant in this area, and I know SDC could pull it off so well. I am expecting a gift shop to be placed somewhere in the area, most likely in that building right underneath the shot tower.

Overall, I think this will make a beautiful addition to the city.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 17, 2014, 06:03:44 PM
The Toystore is being rethemed to correspond with the new area and will more than likely have souvenirs for the area as well.  I could see the Owen's Grill also rethemed to coincide with the area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 17, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
Man, every. little. addition. is going to have its own t-shirt stand these days. Something about that irks me, but I don't really know why. Maybe just because it's gotten so cliche. Also, I know the toy store needed to be rebuilt for ADA access, but it is also a little unfortunate that it will likely loose it's architectural personality with this transformation. When SDC was a younger, smaller park, the buildings had so much character with their multiple levels, tight quarters, wood floors, etc. This is another one that is going to go modern more than likely.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Coaster on August 17, 2014, 06:43:42 PM
^Yes, unfortunately the days of those neat buildings that we grew up with at SDC are over. They'be been gone for awhile.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dragon Dad on August 18, 2014, 06:17:08 PM
I just saw the announcement and I really like the concept, especially the historical "hook" of the need for volunteer firefighters in the city after the burning of Marmaros to the ground.   I'm looking forward to some great theming in the new area similar to FITH.  The artist conception also looks great with its "decorated for an old fashioned fair" look and feel.   We'll miss GG, but this has the potential to be a very worthy replacement that doesn't seem out of place. 

Does anyone know if the dock-side water cannons will be re-purposed anywhere in the new area?   They already resembled fire-fighter equipment, so I think they would be a natural with the new FL theme, though they would require quite a bit of room.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: STEPHEN D on August 18, 2014, 07:08:13 PM
These are from yesterday:

Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on August 18, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on August 19, 2014, 07:46:53 AM
Has the geyser in the lake disappeared yet?  I am wondering if it will go away or be repurposed. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on August 19, 2014, 08:25:59 AM
Has the geyser in the lake disappeared yet?  I am wondering if it will go away or be repurposed. 
If the geyser was left-over from the Greedy Bro.s days then I can see them leaving it in the lake.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 19, 2014, 08:46:31 AM
I looked into that, but it looks like everything points to both the Geyser and the Greedy Bro's structure being removed completely. Everything that was part of the old Geyser Gulch will be torn out and trashed, they are starting completely over from scratch. The current PTB really don't care about salvaging or re-using anything... I mean, some of them even scoff at the idea of people being nostalgic about the park, but that's a whole can of crap that we don't want to get into. Just a different way of doing things now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 19, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
Where was that last picture taken? The one looking out the window.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on August 19, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Looks like Toy shop window
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: STEPHEN D on August 19, 2014, 08:44:17 PM
Yes, it was taken in the toy shop.  Good eye tinmann!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 24, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
Geyser Gulch main building is now completely down. 
All that remains is the structures in the water, which should leave soon as well.
Also of note, the barrel of toys that guarded the entrance to the Toy Store is now gone as well.

http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/08.23/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on August 24, 2014, 09:21:33 PM
Thanks, Swoosh. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on September 06, 2014, 05:22:59 PM
So are we not following / updating on this project anymore?   ???

The S&S tower is up now - hard to believe that no one has pictures.
(well I do, but I am not at home right now to post them -- no not at park either)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on September 06, 2014, 05:27:47 PM
That went up fast! I guess that probably had to be the first ride built so they can get the Fire Station built in time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 06, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
If anyone is going anytime soon, I'd like to compile an official update/construction log, so any photos you'd like to contribute would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: HeyWheatBread on September 06, 2014, 07:46:27 PM
I took a couple pictures of the construction area from the LR bridge/line that I could add. Nothing too special, though.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: biscuitcreek on September 06, 2014, 08:16:16 PM
Here's a video update from KY3 in Springfield:

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/silver-dollar-city-shares-progress-on-new-ride/21048998_27914946
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on September 07, 2014, 06:43:06 PM
Photos of the tower up in FL and of a new structure (1 of 10 in the park) that has appeared by Lost River

http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/09.06/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on September 07, 2014, 07:50:08 PM
Very cool, thanks Swoosh.

Those photos make me wish they were going to keep the old Geyser. Something about it was always kind of cool, and it would be an interesting legacy piece.

As for the last photo, I'll open the discussion on that in the 2014 thread.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pintrader on September 25, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
Was at the city yesterday so took a few pictures of the new construction site.


(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/178_zps44482688.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/178_zps44482688.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/179_zps1823880a.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/179_zps1823880a.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/183_zpse989ea40.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/183_zpse989ea40.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/188_zps90fa9545.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/188_zps90fa9545.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/193_zps1548cb44.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/193_zps1548cb44.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/199_zps316a877c.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/199_zps316a877c.jpg.html)

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/tom60ford/204_zpsb1a002e4.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/tom60ford/media/204_zpsb1a002e4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on September 25, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
Looks like the steel or at least part of it has arrived for the new firehouse;;

Great pics!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on September 25, 2014, 09:16:06 PM
PROGRESS!! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on September 25, 2014, 10:17:45 PM
Thanks for the pics
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on September 29, 2014, 06:25:49 PM
Just got back from a visit.... They have some steel in the air and more "base" units for rides going in.....

Lots to see and look at from the train ride....

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10203968515564743.1073741887.1578260143&type=3
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on October 11, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
Since this is how this is being marketed...

(http://sdc.silverdollarcity.com/sitepages/2015/global/images/hg-hero-desktop-v3.jpg)

...does that imply that this is the idea behind it...

http://www.collegebasketballexperience.com/ (http://www.collegebasketballexperience.com/)?

Have they promised actual Globetrotters, or are they just providing an "experience" with the Globetrotter name?  And more stinkin' bouncing balls!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on October 12, 2014, 10:45:34 AM
Since this is how this is being marketed...

(http://sdc.silverdollarcity.com/sitepages/2015/global/images/hg-hero-desktop-v3.jpg)

...does that imply that this is the idea behind it...

http://www.collegebasketballexperience.com/ (http://www.collegebasketballexperience.com/)?

Have they promised actual Globetrotters, or are they just providing an "experience" with the Globetrotter name?  And more stinkin' bouncing balls!

If there's anything that's going to stop us from getting season passes it's going to be the basketballs!  SDC is just asking for trouble with them
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on October 12, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
The PTB probably feel like they need to try advertise them since they sank big money into purchasing the Harlem Globetrotters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 12, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
Wish they would have put more emphasis on their rudolph purchase instead... or was that just a tie-in?

This probably won't be a big deal though, it will probably be contained to the RGHH. Just another odd tie-in for the park, nothing new there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 13, 2014, 11:31:39 AM
Emphasis on Rudolph will start later this month
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on October 13, 2014, 03:52:38 PM
I imagine we will see PLENTY of Rudolph.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 13, 2014, 04:00:16 PM
I would expect to see Rudolph in the new parade for sure..

LOL.. of course he may show up elsewhere....??
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on October 13, 2014, 05:11:35 PM
Merchandise, ya think?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 21, 2014, 12:10:55 PM
cowboy sent in some photos from his recent trip: http://sdcfans.com/firemans-landing-construction-update/

I know they have been moving quickly with construction projects lately, but this has got to be another record. It looks like they want to get done by Christmas. I'm not sure I get why though... I know winter is unpredictable, but it wasn't so long ago that all the major construction was handled during winter without issue. We might get a bad storm at one point during the winter, but it's not like this is a particularly harsh climate. I can only assume it's simply cheaper to get it done during this time of year.

Also notable how close everything actually is. We'll see what effect that will have on the area when it's done. Could be beneficial or not.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on October 21, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
I would have also assumed it would have been easier to demolish the junk in the lake during the warmer weather, but that didn't happen.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 21, 2014, 04:31:02 PM
The stuff in the lake will be demolished when the lake is lowered.  This doesn't happen until LR closes for the season, which should be this week.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on October 21, 2014, 05:29:27 PM
Thanks for the photo update.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on October 21, 2014, 05:32:21 PM
Gotta think they want a firm visual to sell to folks during OTC for SP sales for 2015.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 21, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
The more I look at the photos, the more I get a little worried that the area really is going to look amusement park-y like some had feared. Everything looks a lot closer than I had imagined and the concept artwork makes it seem. With enough space, vegetation, and other structures you can blend rides in pretty well without ruining the environment, but in this case it looks like when you walk up to this corner there's just going to be a bunch of rides out in the open.

It's a long ways from being done though, and I still do have a lot of faith in the park's competency in creating truly well themed areas as opposed to just decorating rides. I'm sure once all the miscellaneous structures and gardens are in place things will look a little more seamless.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pudgy Jones on October 22, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
I wish there were more trees. Dollywood feels like a barren wasteland in places because they have bulldozed all the trees. This has a very Dollywood feel to me.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Injun Joe on October 22, 2014, 04:35:37 PM
I wish there were more trees.

I cringe every time a tree is removed from SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 22, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
That area may very well look "busy", But I am anxious to see the Bushes, Trees and other vegetation that will go into the area...And in all fairness to SDC, it may take 3 or 4 years of growing to make it look right...  a
fter all look at GE..  lots of vegetation there now
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jdporte on October 29, 2014, 04:28:20 PM
When I was at SDC this past weekend, almost everything in the toy store was 50% off (Like a going out of business sale).  It was looking really empty.  I wondered if they were going to be tearing down that building to open up the lake front?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 29, 2014, 04:37:40 PM
I think Swoosh said the building would remain, but it will get rebuilt.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 29, 2014, 05:01:11 PM
Last I heard is that it was going to get a new facade but the building itself would remain.  I would imagine that it will probably get a healthy dose of FL merchandise when it reopens next season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 29, 2014, 05:03:00 PM
Did this update ever get posted here?
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/10.05/

Sorry if it did.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on October 29, 2014, 06:44:19 PM
I would also assume the toy shop will be full of items for FL.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on October 29, 2014, 07:02:13 PM
The question is: will it still really be a toy shop? Somehow I already expect the new "facade" will incorporate more salespoints with random things things like rootbear floats and freezes. Toys are a harder to sell in volume in a theme park, but they contribute to more of the overall shopping and experience side of the park.

Just another detail that could change the feel of the area from fantasy city to amusement park...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on October 29, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
Wow, old Eli Tolts' former stomping grounds sure look a lot different! Ha! Thanks Swoosh for the report, I had not seen it. Great photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on October 29, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
If I had to guess, you could probably take a look at the gift shop near Firechaser Express at Dollywood and do a c/p of what they have and you'll have a good idea of what the new shop will offer
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Clanouper on November 06, 2014, 07:37:36 AM
I have no idea why any person who has ever ridden a vekoma coaster would ever want one at SDC.  I have ridden several and quite frankly hate them all.  B&M is a FAR superior coaster builder.  I think Chillins works for Vekoma's marketing department.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 06, 2014, 07:47:27 AM
^Well, if you've been on any recent Vekoma's, you'd know that they are more competitive and make much better rides now. The old SLC's and boomerangs are going to stick around for a long time, but they aren't what Vekoma offers today. The family coaster they built for FC, for example, is just about perfect for what it is. That being said, it seems they are still having a few issues since the mis-hap with the signature coasters they built for Universal Singapore.

But back to the topic at hand: we'll be inundated with photos from FL this weekend. Coaster Christmas participants will be given a construction tour on Saturday I believe.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 06, 2014, 08:12:51 AM
^Well, if you've been on any recent Vekoma's, you'd know that they are more competitive and make much better rides now. The old SLC's and boomerangs are going to stick around for a long time, but they aren't what Vekoma offers today. The family coaster they built for FC, for example, is just about perfect for what it is. That being said, it seems they are still having a few issues since the mis-hap with the signature coasters they built for Universal Singapore.

But back to the topic at hand: we'll be inundated with photos from FL this weekend. Coaster Christmas participants will be given a construction tour on Saturday I believe.

And yet Disney used Vekoma for their new Seven Dwarves Mine Train and supposedly the coming Troy Coaster in China as ell as other coasters in the Disney Parks. Oh, the horror.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 09, 2014, 11:16:55 PM
New photos of FL: http://sdcfans.com/firemans-landing-update-coaster-christmas/
I know Swoosh will have some good ones up soon too. 

I was getting a little antsy about how the area was laid out based on the photos, but it's looking like it will turn out nicely. It's just kind of hard to really visualize until you see it in person - and of course it's only half constructed at this point.

They have indeed moved the classic firewagon off of the main square. It is currently sitting under a tarp near the steam powered lathe, and will apparently appear near the doorway of the new Fire House#3 (Main square is #1, FitH is #2 I'm assuming). They also confirmed that Salvage Dogs were on site and are producing some sort of decoration to honor fire fighters.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: psychosaw13 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:26 PM
Here are some more from 11/8/14 Enjoy!
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Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: CrazyScarecrow on November 10, 2014, 10:03:52 PM
Wow! Seeing all of this construction kinda makes me feel uneasy about the Fireman's Landing. I mean I hate to be that guy. I want to look forward to the new stuff and I want to keep an open mind, but for every new area I feel like the park I grew up in is dying. I know as one grows older the magic filter you see as a kid is gone and you really do start realize things for what they are. Though these changes are just kinda changing the park.

I hate the Grand Exposition area as it looks to modern. I love Outlaw Run though I wish some older looking material was used in that area and there were more trees. When I heard of the Landing I thought this was a great idea. I mean the theme fit well, much better than Geyser Gulch ever did. Though the thought of the buildings from Greedy Bros. being gone is just weird and I feel like it would take away much of the charm the lake had.

Seeing the toy barrel gone makes saddens me. I remember looking at it as a kid in awe. I remember walking past there this last summer in awe just because of the quality of it and the charm. Plus, I have always thought that area had a very interesting, unique feel. With the way the buildings come together and the ivy ceilings and wooden statues on top the building. It'll be weird seeing this gone.

It really is weird seeing all this stuff looking like Grand Expo. Really I think I would have a different feeling about the area when I walk around. Walking through the Grand Expo really makes me remember why I love the City. Cuz I hate that part so much and when walking around the other areas of the park where more classic attractions stand and older buildings full with the neat older looking art signs.

The City has influenced me so much as an aspiring artist. I really hate seeing stuff go away like this.

Sorry for going off topic. I thought this would be a nice place to just vent my reaction to these changes in the park and overall change in it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 10, 2014, 10:43:48 PM
^I know where you're coming from, but I have to keep telling people that you can't get too down about the changes in the park just for nostalgia's sake. The park has always been changing, and while some pieces are painful to lose, the important factors are all still here. Plus, no matter how you shake it this area is a huge improvement over what was there before. It's really impressive in person and it's not even half-way done.

During the speaker portion Brad put some emphasis on the story behind FL. This area extends the story of Fire-in-the-Hole be creating a training grounds for future firemen and women who will ensure that Baldknobbers can never again burn the town down. They specifically emphasized that this was Fire Station #3. That kind of imagination and attention to detail is what has always made the park special and unique, and as long as they keep that around I'll be happy.

Just wait till next March, though it will be weird to see the toy store that we've grown up with changed and modernized, it will really make this area look amazing for a new generation of fans. Different isn't always bad.  ;)



Great photos psychosaw!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on November 11, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
Good comments and photos.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: IASTClone on November 14, 2014, 03:47:01 PM


During the speaker portion Brad put some emphasis on the story behind FL. This area extends the story of Fire-in-the-Hole be creating a training grounds for future firemen and women who will ensure that Baldknobbers can never again burn the town down.




With this, can we at least have a small glimmer of hope that Fire-In-The-Hole will get a makeover/refurb at some point?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on November 14, 2014, 05:23:15 PM
Great pictures..  hope to be there sunday
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on November 14, 2014, 09:06:51 PM

During the speaker portion Brad put some emphasis on the story behind FL. This area extends the story of Fire-in-the-Hole be creating a training grounds for future firemen and women who will ensure that Baldknobbers can never again burn the town down.


With this, can we at least have a small glimmer of hope that Fire-In-The-Hole will get a makeover/refurb at some point?

A re-build of FitH is inevitable within the next decade or sooner, I think. It's not just old, it's simply not holding up and needs a lot of work. I think I heard one of the officials talking about this a little at one point, and I was glad to hear them acknowledge that it is such a special ride and they will have to do something to keep it's essence alive in the future. Hard to say how they'll do that... maybe a topic to continue in the 2016 or future speculation threads.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 15, 2014, 03:46:54 PM
Here's my photos of the Construction Site Tour from Coaster Christmas.

http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/11.08/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on November 15, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Here's my photos of the Construction Site Tour from Coaster Christmas.

http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/11.08/

Good Set Pinto
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on November 15, 2014, 05:41:27 PM
A re-build of FitH is inevitable within the next decade or sooner, I think. It's not just old, it's simply not holding up and needs a lot of work. I think I heard one of the officials talking about this a little at one point, and I was glad to hear them acknowledge that it is such a special ride and they will have to do something to keep it's essence alive in the future. Hard to say how they'll do that... maybe a topic to continue in the 2016 or future speculation threads.

I would imagine that they'd have to take the ride completely off line for a season as the entire building needs work.  I hope that when they do decide to do this, that they bring in Garner Holt to get more sophisticated animatronics (much like what KBF did to the log flume and mine ride). 

Here's my photos of the Construction Site Tour from Coaster Christmas.

http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/11.08/

Good Set Pinto

Pinto? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: tmstephe on December 01, 2014, 09:45:45 AM

Was at the City over Thanksgiving weekend.  FITH is fire station #1 and FL is #3... where is #2?  My son asked several "firemen" and no one knew the answer.  The one on the square is just "volunteers".  Is there any significance to the numbering, or is it random?

We hadn't been to SDC in two years, so it was so amazing to get back with my kids and share the memories of Christmas at the City. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: tinmann620 on December 02, 2014, 01:32:27 AM
FITH is The No. 1 Fire Company, not station. The original No. 1 Firehouse was located in front of FM, now Cowboy Jepp's.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 04, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
^Ah, I had forgotten about that one. So then the main square is No. 2? Eh, in any case there'll be three places where "firemen" will gather at SDC in 2015. At least someone at the park is paying attention to the details even if we can't keep them straight  ;)

Here's my photos from this past weekend: http://sdcfans.com/firemans-landing-update-nov-30-2014/

They've got some siding on already, but it's still hard to get a feel of the finished product. The main structure will have a lot of detail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 20, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
Here's our latest photo update
http://midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/12.13/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on December 20, 2014, 10:02:52 PM
Great pics and info as always, Swoosh!  Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on December 21, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
Good stuff Swoosh.

Somehow I completely missed the fact that SDC also has some coverage of it's own on the FL website: http://www.silverdollarcity.com/firemanslanding

Most of the pictures seem to lag behind what we've been posting, but this will be the place to watch the progress after the park closes for the season.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on December 31, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
Final Update of the season
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2014/12.29/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on December 31, 2014, 04:01:12 PM
I can't believe they are already closed for the season. They'll be open again before we know it, though!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on December 31, 2014, 04:42:50 PM
Thanks Swoosh for the final update. Look forward to seeing everyone on park in 2015.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on December 31, 2014, 11:38:49 PM
I can't believe they are already closed for the season. They'll be open again before we know it, though!

Yep, got Marvel Universe live in LR with the kids in a couple of weeks, the week at Disney in Feb, and tHan geared up hoping for warm temps for SDC opener. Time will fly by.



Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Ozarks Gal on January 02, 2015, 09:36:25 AM
I can't believe they are already closed for the season. They'll be open again before we know it, though!

Yep, got Marvel Universe live in LR with the kids in a couple of weeks, the week at Disney in Feb, and tHan geared up hoping for warm temps for SDC opener. Time will fly by.


We were there last weekend, and it's great to see how much is done already.


Chittlins, you'll have to let me know how Marvel Universe Live is.  I've heard really mixed reviews, and I'm wondering if I want to see it when it makes it my way next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 21, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
Live update, ( I think)..  local new upstream.....  check and see...

11:00 this morning..... wed, the 21st

http://www.kspr.com/video-photo/live
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 21, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/video-silver-dollar-city-chief-discusses-new-attraction-coming-in-march/21051620_30834118

I'm not able to watch the video with sound at the moment, but looks like a cool bell detail.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on January 21, 2015, 03:11:56 PM
Nice to know things are coming along well. I imagine they have used the good weather days to move quickly on the project.  Mid March is not far off!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 21, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Once again, got to love how Brad points out that Fireman's Landing continues the story line of the entire park. I know some of us don't like how this area is full of rides, but you do have to appreciate these details and how hard they are trying to satiate both old fans and a whole new generation with different expectations. They've made a lot of effort in specifically referring to the firehouse as Firehouse #3 and mentioning FiTH with it, when they could have just set it up as some old old-timey firehouse.

They need more kudos for that then we've been giving them, because while we're quick to point out all the things that are supposedly slipping from "Miss Mary's Time", it can be hard to really take notice when they are making more effort than they theoretically need to for the sake of the blue blood fans and the little things that make the park special. A while back a lot of us were really concerned that the tale of Marmos and the original story of the theme behind the town would disappear, but here it is back front and center again.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: biscuitcreek on January 22, 2015, 07:15:29 AM
Here is an update from Hometown Radio in Branson. There are pictures and audio clips:

http://www.hometowndailynews.com/2015/01/22/firemans-landing-on-schedule-to-open-in-march/

Here's a slideshow of Fireman's Landing from KY3:

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/slideshow-silver-dollar-city-shows-off-construction-update-for-firemans-landing/21048998_30846442
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 22, 2015, 07:36:33 AM
I know there's some special facts about this bell topper, but I can't find them anywhere for some reason. Hometown Daily News says it is actually from 1890, but they're the only ones saying that. Are we sure it just doesn't look like it's from the 1890's? Usually these toppers are pretty special (i.e., the rooster on top of TGS), so there's bound to be some really cool details about it. I wish I could find some more definitive sources... maybe I'll just have to email them about it if nothing else.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on January 22, 2015, 10:24:23 AM
Shave, I was wondering the same thing..  The way SDC does things, I know that the "bell tower" is something special.. Or at least I would expect it to be.?

Where did it come from,

Who refurbished it? if indeed it was rebuilt?

Maybe Tinman will jump in here and give us some details..
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on January 22, 2015, 01:59:14 PM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/news/local_news/historic-bell-rings-in-silver-dollar-city-expansion/article_69de68cf-111f-5f5e-b10a-ba4e9a0c5bea.html

It turns out the bell is in fact from the 1890's. It was forged in 1895, but I still haven't heard where it came from yet. Weird how the details on this are so scattered. Usually these types of details are emphasized much more in these articles.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 13, 2015, 06:45:16 PM
SDC's facebook has a new photo and a new video of the area. The photo shows the dalmations ride... I find it pretty cartoony/tacky considering the historic standards of the park, but it's kind of expected and not so bad, all things considered. It's not as bad as the random elephants anyway.  ::)

The video shows the inside of the play area. Another special note here about how they listened to comments and suggestions from guests. It kind of looks a bit empty in there right now, but they're obviously not done. I hope there's plenty of decoration, theme, and toys on the way because right now it's just a bunch of flat platforms. I worry that the ADA design guidelines are going to take a way some of the experience here...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on February 13, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
It just looks so sterile to me, and they dared to drop the V-word in the video, stating that the fire station is in the style of "the Victorian era".
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: marolinesdad on February 13, 2015, 08:28:13 PM
It was nice to hear that the play area is climate controlled.  That will be nice in the colder months.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 13, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
I am ready to check out the finished project in 30 days.

 Looks very well thought out...  Doubt if I in the area 2 or 3 times a year, BUT I am NOT the demographic they are shooting for..  

glad to see it, AND iwith the "climate control" it will be open all year around it sounds like.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on February 23, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
I was at the park doing some work today and snapped this pic
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Wildfire on February 23, 2015, 06:08:05 PM
The balloons look great too!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on February 23, 2015, 06:26:56 PM
Thanks for the pics, Wildfire!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on February 23, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Thanks for the photos! It looks great! And the paint job on the balloons looks amazing; it really fits the park. This area is such a huge improvement, it's got to be one of the best projects the park has ever taken on. We've gone from Tom Sawyer's Landing, to Geyser Gulch, to this, and I think this is the best they've ever done with it. I wish they had put half as much effort into GE.

They keep pushing the dog character. I wonder how that will progress, because I can't really see where they're going with it. It's obviously not going to go viral or anything, but it will be cute for the kids to take pictures with.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Madtwins on February 24, 2015, 12:38:20 PM
Thanks, the pictures are awesome.  I agree with you shave I think this is going to be an awesome addition.  And my kids are so excited to meet lucky, they watch the update videos at least once a week.  I can't wait to see it over spring break
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on February 24, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
Where do you go to see the update videos?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on February 24, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
Wow!  main building really looks different from December..

wont be long now!.  18 days?   hard to believe.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Madtwins on February 24, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
Silver dollar city's website has a firemans landing update page with pics and videos and you can give them your email address and they will send you the videos when they post them
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on February 24, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
Thanks for the photos! It looks great! And the paint job on the balloons looks amazing; it really fits the park. This area is such a huge improvement, it's got to be one of the best projects the park has ever taken on. We've gone from Tom Sawyer's Landing, to Geyser Gulch, to this, and I think this is the best they've ever done with it. I wish they had put half as much effort into GE.

They keep pushing the dog character. I wonder how that will progress, because I can't really see where they're going with it. It's obviously not going to go viral or anything, but it will be cute for the kids to take pictures with.

Can't wait till they stick a coaster on the other part of the land ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on March 05, 2015, 09:51:07 PM
I'm totally okay with that dalmatian "furry character" if it means eventually they'll phase out the licensed Nickelodeon/etc characters. Get a Rocky Raccoon character in there... Dollywood had/has a bear character (https://www.flickr.com/photos/supermommichelle/2603527953), and a dog character (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83459822@N00/6200774391).

I think a Rocky Raccoon character would be great. I wanna see a resurgence of original kid stuff, like the old children's books. Maybe make a character of the carved old wood man from The Day Toys Came to Silver Dollar City.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 05, 2015, 10:49:44 PM
https://vimeo.com/120695822
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 09, 2015, 02:04:10 PM
Thanks for the link chittlins...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 09, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
OMG! The ride in that video is the best log ride ever!

And the award for worst log ride goes to, American Plunge, because of that "upgrade" that they did, which was really a downgrade. They took all the fun out of it. It's now boring and everything looks broke. I feel like it just tells a story of death now, and I don't like that. I expect it to go before 2020. They're not making much money off of it. It's probably only worth $250 to $1,000 now.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on March 11, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
KY3 pics from this morning.

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/21048998_31733746
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 11, 2015, 01:16:12 PM
Nice. Once again I have to say that the colors and details turned out exquisite. I hardly even notice the fact that there are 6 rides crammed in here because they fit in so well. It really feels like a natural extension of the city, and once again it's a huge improvement over what was there before.

This is going to be a huge hit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 11, 2015, 05:30:50 PM
I didn't expect the area to have as much as red, white, and blue when the plans were unveiled in August. I guess it makes sense since they just added the new Star-Spangled Summer festival last year.

I can't wait to see the new area next weekend!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 11, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
All of the promo art has shown a plethora of red white and blue so it wasn't surprising to see it in the finished product
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 11, 2015, 08:40:10 PM
Very anxious to see the finished project this weekend.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mammalone on March 11, 2015, 11:16:53 PM
Local anchors


http://www.kspr.com/news/local/videos-riding-firefall-at-silver-dollar-city/21051620_31731958
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: biscuitcreek on March 12, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
Here are some pictures and an audio clip from Hometown Radio:

http://www.hometowndailynews.com/2015/03/11/s-of-o-students-pilot-firemans-landing-at-sdc/

The children are from the School of the Ozarks.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 14, 2015, 10:03:21 PM
Does anyone have pictures from today of the completed project?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 14, 2015, 11:03:53 PM
Yeah I got a bunch, but I'll probably wait till tomorrow to post them since I'm tired.

First impressions: it's a little different than what I expected somehow (even though I was there for the construction tour), but overall I'm very impressed and pleased with it. The rides don't "blend" as well as I thought they did just from looking at the photos, and the area in general is tighter than a photo perspective will give you. However, the details and theming are superb, so it is absolutely as good as it could be with the given rides and space. It's beautiful, but does indeed feel a bit amusement-parky.

The highlights: lots of cool interactive details, neat little details in the theming (like the ladder canopies), phone charging stations, good theming detail inside the buildings and out, awesome color palette and paint job on the rides, Firefall is very fun. Like I said, the area is beautiful, and it does include a lot of SDC theming conventions, including individualized "store" name signs on the buildings next to the fire station.

Low points: The "soundtrack" to the area includes lots of annoying jokes and IN-PARK ADVERTISEMENTS that boom out LITERALLY EVERY TWO MINUTES OR LESS. This gets annoying very fast if you are having to sit around in the area. I hope that will be adjusted at some point. Really, there's never a good excuse for in-park advertisements, especially like this. If people are hungry, they'll find food. No need to remind them every two minutes about Crossroads pizza and riverside ribhouse.
Also: they kinda destroyed the toy store. I mean, there's still a toy store there, but it's a small shell of what it used to be, and it's ugly, especially with the plain backside of the theatre butting out there with nothing to decorate or block it. I don't get why they got rid of the ivy overhang and left it like this.

They're really forcing the Lucky character. I'm still not sure why they need to, to this extent.


Fireman's Landing for me kinda drove the final nail into the direction the park has taken towards being a truly "rides-based" park. It's a little weird seeing so many rides smashed into a prominent area of the park now. On Lake Silver you can now see all of Fireman's Landing's six rides, plus TGS, Lost River, and Outlaw Run. That's very different than the SDC we grew up with, but I think they've done as much as they can to make it not feel like a run-of-the-mill theme park even with all the ride additions that are now the meat of the park. Fireman's Landing is a whole class above any "family" area of it's kind at any other park. I can remember over a decade ago worrying about the park becoming what it is now, but now that we're here I'm happy that the SDC spirit is still displayed in all these new additions, even if the park is so very different from what it used to be.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 15, 2015, 09:35:11 AM
 :D :D :D Haha Shave! Now you know how I feel standing in line for Outlaw Run. Finally someone understands!!! There is a loud, annoying voice that comes on the speakers every 15 minutes, on Outlaw Run, talking about what the ride does, when people either already know what it does, or dont want to know because they want to be surprized. Plus, they "have" to play that stupid, annoying horse sound every time you leave the station.

 I havent seen Firemans Landing in real life yet yet. I will be going on Wednesday. From what Ive heard, it sounds great. No ride ever looks exactly like the animation, but close enough. I like that they are doing park commercials. It feels more like 1880s when Coca-Cola came out. Everybody likes hearing jokes. Thats why I have some in my music mix.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DianaGail on March 15, 2015, 09:57:36 AM
Just a quick note before I go ride the balloons...again.  This is an amazing area for the kids, and me because apparently I'm 5 and just as exicited as my kids!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 15, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
TOTALLY!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 15, 2015, 03:19:32 PM
Plus, they "have" to play that stupid, annoying horse sound every time you leave the station.

Theming.
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Post by: Dewayne on March 15, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
So??? No other ride does it!!
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Post by: History Buff on March 15, 2015, 04:01:49 PM
The horses are not stupid!  They are pulling the stagecoach.

Wildfire has a steam release - or is supposed to - upon each launch.
Riverblast "fills" each bucket on the top of the vehicle before each launch.
PK blasts you out of the station with an explosion of fire and noise.

Each has a different theme, so each has different launch effects.  I would hate to ride a runaway "stagecoach" without horses pulling it.  Even my 11-year-old daughter recognizes that it adds character.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 15, 2015, 04:26:48 PM
Let's get back on topic.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2015, 05:42:09 PM
:D :D :D Haha Shave! Now you know how I feel standing in line for Outlaw Run. Finally someone understands!!! There is a loud, annoying voice that comes on the speakers every 15 minutes, on Outlaw Run, talking about what the ride does, when people either already know what it does, or dont want to know because they want to be surprized. Plus, they "have" to play that stupid, annoying horse sound every time you leave the station.

I mean, that's the safety spiel... that's kinda important and standard practice. What I'm talking about is a booming voice that interrupts the ambiance music with ads for places within the park. Totally unnecessary and grinding. You'll understand when you visit.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 15, 2015, 07:12:35 PM

I mean, that's the safety spiel... that's kinda important and standard practice.

Safety spiel??? Standard practice? What are you talking about??
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 15, 2015, 08:21:27 PM
Oh boy.   ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 15, 2015, 08:41:11 PM
 ??? ??? ??? ????? What does he mean by it?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 15, 2015, 11:37:26 PM
Oh wait, now that I think about it, I know what you were referring to. There is a spiel over OR's sound speakers that talks about what the ride does aside from the usual safety spiel... I had forgotten about it since I just tune it all out now. I think they added that to save a little skin in court in case anyone was too "surprised" at the forces on OR and made a fuss over it. Fair warning, basically.

Like I said though, you'll get what I'm talking about for Fireman's Landing when you visit. It's a whole different kind of annoying.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 16, 2015, 10:45:55 AM
Haha! I dont think anything has been annoying to me since OR. Firemans Landing sounds perfect to me in every way. I think im going this weekend instead. Wednesday shows rain.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 16, 2015, 06:13:55 PM
Yeah I got a bunch, but I'll probably wait till tomorrow to post them since I'm tired.

You gonna post them yet?
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Post by: shavethewhales on March 16, 2015, 10:46:37 PM
http://sdcfans.com/silver-dollar-city-opening-day-2015/

There's my photos. Didn't go too crazy this time, but there's a lot of random stuff from all over the park in there. I think they uploaded in reverse order, so you have to go to page 3 to see the FL photos.
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Post by: Swoosh on March 16, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
YAY!  Thanks Shave.
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Post by: History Buff on March 16, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Nice.
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Post by: Dewayne on March 17, 2015, 12:40:51 AM
Wow. Great, great pics. Thank you shave!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 17, 2015, 01:02:57 AM
Did they bring the Fire truck from CC that squirted everyone? They should have. Does that old fire truck that they have in the building do anything like that? Because it should. I would be angry if it didnt. Or any fire truck lights flashing?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 17, 2015, 01:06:53 AM
The bathrooms should also look like the fire station bathrooms in CC. They looked super cool!

Maybe they can expand FL and put fire truck bumper cars in FL! Right next to the balloons, in the tree area. Maybe even police bumper cars, in a different area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on March 17, 2015, 07:21:45 AM
Thanks Shave!
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Post by: DollarCityBoy on March 17, 2015, 08:55:26 AM
Loved looking thru all the pics, thanks Shave!!

It was a mistake to remove the wisteria trellis, unless of course the structure was rotted and they feared it would collapse. It looks really bare across the back of the Theatre and front of the Toy Store.   

It made me homesick for the City when I saw the pictures of the Mill, Leather Shop, and natural areas. Looking forward to going in April.
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Post by: DollarCityBoy on March 17, 2015, 09:22:38 AM
Hey, I also have a question about the new inside play area. When everyone keeps talking about the balls, do you mean there is an actual Ball Pit like what was in Tom Sawyers Landing years ago, or balls that you shoot out of air-guns like what was in Geyser Gulch?
Just needed some clarification....Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 17, 2015, 10:22:39 AM
Foam Ball Factory
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pudgy Jones on March 18, 2015, 10:18:24 AM
The bathrooms should also look like the fire station bathrooms in CC. They looked super cool!

Maybe they can expand FL and put fire truck bumper cars in FL! Right next to the balloons, in the tree area. Maybe even police bumper cars, in a different area.

No fire trucks, please! No police cars, please! I'm ok with fire wagons, but no trucks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 18, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
^Absolutely!
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Post by: sanddunerider on March 18, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
My pics form Fl this last weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/lorrie.crumb/media_set?set=a.10202476749951535.1073741869.1578260143&type=3
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 18, 2015, 09:00:41 PM
Wow very nice pics Lorrie! Also, nice pics on showboat. The show looks better than ever this year! It looks like it has almost everything.
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Post by: Junior, too! on March 18, 2015, 09:37:36 PM
Great pictures, thanks!
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Post by: jstein4507 on March 23, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
I couldn't find #5 on the map "Firefighters Fire Escape". Is that something that is still being added?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 23, 2015, 02:28:18 PM
^It's part of the play area. In order to get the count of "things" to 10, they pointed out three different features of the play area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on March 23, 2015, 04:02:11 PM
I saw none of this: "An obstacle course of tubes, mazes, climbing structures and slides." That was not part of the softplay area. I was even told at the host like station, this way to the softplay area, and that way to the foam ball section.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 23, 2015, 09:24:55 PM
We missed that feature, as well.  I figure it's a little cushion in a corner somewhere.  To count it as a 10th feature is a little bit disingenuous.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 23, 2015, 10:51:04 PM
Instead of going right to the foam ball factory you go straight into the building and you'll find a tube crawl jungle gym. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 24, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
Swoosh is right, if you are looking at the main building in FL, head towards the entrance and then bear to the left, you will find it.. 

very much like what you see at Mickey D's, Sonics and so on.....  WITHOUT the Ball pit..   

check my pictures I posted earlier.. I am sure I took a picture of that area.

Here is the 1 picture I took.....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205214746999750&set=a.10202476749951535.1073741869.1578260143&type=3&theater
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 24, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
FWIW, my church has a bigger play structure then what is at FL
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on March 24, 2015, 01:22:40 PM
I also thought that area was small..

 I suppose they expect most of the kids in the multi-level ball area.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 24, 2015, 04:27:39 PM
We saw that, but there was still something missing.  I can't remember what it was though.
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Post by: Joy on March 27, 2015, 11:33:38 PM
Maybe they figured Half-Dollar Holler covered the "climbing structure & slides" aspect of kid-play....?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 27, 2015, 11:37:08 PM
The kids playing in it seemed content.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 28, 2015, 12:53:18 AM
But they said on the map, there will be a soft play area, like Mc Ds with ball pit and slide, and a  jungle gym for adults featuring rock wall, tubes, slides, and mazes. They only have the soft play area. They told me they consider stuff thats in the ball factory to be the big kid obstacle course but its not. Its just some rubber stuff for stairs along with the ball factory. Nothing more. Nothing like what it said and i know what it said because I have the paper to prove it. I was pissed when they told me that because i really wanted to go on a rock wall for the first time and go on a cool obstacle course which would also be my first time. But no, they wanted to change it and do it their way, different from the map. IM PISSED!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 08:48:36 AM
Well imagine that, you were wrong again
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 28, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
I wasn't wrong. They just promised something but decided not to put it in.

Why do you have to be so judgemental and mean and all that, Swoosh?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
They delivered exactly what they promised.  The structure is exactly what they showed in the concept art they released

I answered the 2nod half of your post in the mug thread. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 28, 2015, 02:38:21 PM
But they said on the map, there will be a soft play area, like Mc Ds with ball pit and slide, and a  jungle gym for adults featuring rock wall, tubes, slides, and mazes. They only have the soft play area. They told me they consider stuff thats in the ball factory to be the big kid obstacle course but its not. Its just some rubber stuff for stairs along with the ball factory. Nothing more. Nothing like what it said and i know what it said because I have the paper to prove it. I was pissed when they told me that because i really wanted to go on a rock wall for the first time and go on a cool obstacle course which would also be my first time. But no, they wanted to change it and do it their way, different from the map. IM PISSED!
It appears the people you know and that are willing to talk led you in the wrong direction...I haven't seen the FL yet but I would love to see an obstacle course that all could enjoy as well. Didn't they do some sort of obstacle course at Dollywood a few years ago? How has that gone over? I'd like to try climbing a rock wall also.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
The ropes course at DW was removed.  Firechaser Express is located there now
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 28, 2015, 09:34:08 PM
No swoosh. They promised a kiddie obstacle course, an adult obstacle course, and the foam ball factory. All 3 separate from each other, but in the same building. But they didnt put the adult obstacle course in, like they were suppost to.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 09:53:54 PM
Well you know best...
I'm done responding to you. You no longer exist.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 28, 2015, 09:56:45 PM
No. I never said I know best.

Good because Im tired of your insults.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 28, 2015, 10:40:46 PM
The ropes course at DW was removed.  Firechaser Express is located there now
I wondered how long it would last. Did it have to with the cost of insuring it or was it just not that popular?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 10:43:17 PM
The park decided to move in a different direction.
I heard what was the ultimate reason was the high number of attendants that was required to run it was eating at the bottom line considering the low PPH the attraction had. The upper portion of the trails was barely utilized the final season to keep down labor costs.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on March 28, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
Makes sense. Sounds like a good business decision.
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Post by: Swoosh on March 28, 2015, 10:52:11 PM
What they replaced it with was a huge upgrade, but I have to admit I enjoyed the ropes course the two times I got to experience it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 29, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
No swoosh. They promised a kiddie obstacle course, an adult obstacle course, and the foam ball factory. All 3 separate from each other, but in the same building. But they didnt put the adult obstacle course in, like they were suppost to.

I never saw anything that promised an adult obstacle course.  The inside of the building needs to be for children because that's pretty much what they replaced Geyser Gulch with.  They need a place where they can play without being overrun by older children/teens. Believe me, being a father, that if there isn't enough for younger children to do it can make for a bad day.  We want them to be excited to go to SDC.  There is already a lot of things to do for teens/adults.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
I too have no idea where Laroy got his information.  I went through my press packet I got from the park and there is literally nothing in there that would even partially elude to an adult obstacle course. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 29, 2015, 04:17:03 PM
There seems to be some confusion here, so let me clear this up so that we can move on:

We've passed some rumors and discussion back and forth for the past several years about SDC possibly putting in it's own version of Adventure Mountain on the site of the old Watterboggin. At one point something of this nature was even included in an attractions survey. Obviously AM didn't work out as intended, so the rumor died.

Fireman's Landing is intended for children approximately 2-12, with the exception of FireFall, which is attractive to all ages that meet the height requirement. The indoor portions of FL are somewhat split between areas for smaller children and areas for larger children, but as with Geyser Gulch, it is definitely meant for children.

Perhaps the rumor of the AM ropes course was confused in a few people's minds with the announcement of the indoor play area of FL. Let's just clear this up and point out that they are distinctly different, and FL is pretty much just for kids.

SO, to move on... I'm curious to see what a 20,000 patron day will look like in FL. FireFall is a great piece of the area in theory, but the capacity issues are ridiculous. It really seems like they had the opportunity to re-engineer the tower to accommodate at least another seat on each side like the bigger S&S towers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 04:47:34 PM
Where have you seen towers that feature 4x4x4x4 seating?  All of the ones I have seen have been 3x3x3x3 or 4x2x4x2 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 04:55:18 PM
Because you can never have enough photos of Fireman's Landing here are my photos finally
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2015/03.22/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: mhguy77 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Quote
FireFall is a great piece of the area in theory, but the capacity issues are ridiculous. It really seems like they had the opportunity to re-engineer the tower to accommodate at least another seat on each side like the bigger S&S towers.
If I am not mistaken that originally had 4 seats per side when it was at CC.  Rode it a few times.  Possibly they went to 3 seats per side because they are modified seats and larger than the others.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: marolinesdad on March 29, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
No it had 3 there as well.   I have a pic but am not smart enough to figure out how to attach it.  Lol
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
It has always had 3x3x3x3
http://midwestinfoguide.com/gallery/parks/cc/
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 29, 2015, 06:10:52 PM
Because you can never have enough photos of Fireman's Landing here are my photos finally
http://www.midwestinfoguide.com/silver/2015/03.22/

Great pictures and captions as always, Swoosh!  Thanks!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 29, 2015, 06:14:40 PM
They make 12 and 16 cap for this ride and a 20 seater that only comes with a taller tower.

This was all about using a ride already bough and paid for and just ainting for a new theme. Hindsight will tell them they needed a tandem that gave them the flexibility of the Giant Swing. I haven't seen the inside of the new building, could it be retrofitted for two towers? Maybe a taller 20 person model?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 06:20:55 PM
Where are these 16 & 20 passenger towers?
Have they built any in the US?  Because I have yet to see one and it's not like parks are really building them anymore.  Most that are going to have one already do.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: CaptainTom on March 29, 2015, 06:45:18 PM
Doctor Doom Freefall at Universal's Islands of Adventure holds 16. Just off the top of my head. Double 16 person towers.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on March 29, 2015, 07:02:41 PM
Don't get me wrong- i do want to ride this but once the "newness" wears off of it do you see it consistently having long lines?  If you are in or with a family with smaller children then yes you might spend a lot of time in the area but I still see a lot of visitors heading for the coasters, Giant Swing, water rides, etc. instead of hanging around FL for a good part of the time.  Now if they put one or two more thrill rides in the Landing it could be a different story...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 08:12:08 PM
Doctor Doom Freefall at Universal's Islands of Adventure holds 16. Just off the top of my head. Double 16 person towers.

Correct.  I was just about to come post that they were 16 passenger carriages.  Not finding any others though - but they did say at IAAPA that they have the capability to do 20 passenger revolving carriages now but none have built as of yet.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 29, 2015, 08:16:53 PM
Ok here is your proof. There is suppost to be 3 things in the building, which is 10 attractions in FL. They only have 9. They said there would be 10 things, not including the gazebo. Enough said.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 29, 2015, 09:09:55 PM
^Yes, we pointed that out earlier. There are indeed 3 major "things to do" for kids inside the building. They were a little liberal in their advertising, but that's typical.

Anyway, I could have sworn I've riden some 16-passenger S&S towers, but now that I look back on them I see that I was wrong. They do have a 16 passenger model though: http://www.engineeringexcitement.com/product/double-shot-tower/

It requires a bigger tower and base though... seems like it wouldn't be a big deal to mod it, but obviously we have no idea what that entails. I'm sure they looked into it and found they couldn't do it.

Over time it's popularity will certainly fade, but I think it will always have a line out the door. It's a good ride.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on March 29, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
How tall is this tower at Fireman's Landing compared to Detonator at Worlds of Fun? Just wondering, 'cause I LOVE Detonator.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: CaptainTom on March 29, 2015, 10:56:26 PM
Anyway, I could have sworn I've riden some 16-passenger S&S towers, but now that I look back on them I see that I was wrong. They do have a 16 passenger model though: http://www.engineeringexcitement.com/product/double-shot-tower/

Shavethewhales,

You were NOT wrong.....Doctor Doom's Fearfall is 16. I just rode it a couple weeks ago a few times, so I'm sure of it. Could this be the one you rode, possibly???
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 10:59:24 PM
Yes DDFF is a 16 passenger model but I haven't been able to locate another one besides it. Seems most parks that have built one recently have been the 4x2x4x2 model
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 29, 2015, 11:02:40 PM
How tall is this tower at Fireman's Landing compared to Detonator at Worlds of Fun? Just wondering, 'cause I LOVE Detonator.

Detonator launches riders 150' in the air. (The tower is 210' including flag pole)
FireFall launches riders 85' in the air.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 30, 2015, 08:27:28 AM
Where are these 16 & 20 passenger towers?
Have they built any in the US?  Because I have yet to see one and it's not like parks are really building them anymore.  Most that are going to have one already do.

Dude, why so hostile.

Everything I posted came from their websight.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on March 30, 2015, 08:36:09 AM
Where are these 16 & 20 passenger towers?
Have they built any in the US?  Because I have yet to see one and it's not like parks are really building them anymore.  Most that are going to have one already do.

Dude, why so hostile.

Everything I posted came from their websight.


It wasn't hostile. It was inquisitive.  If you applied a hostile tone to my post while reading it then that's your perogative.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 30, 2015, 08:51:35 AM
Where are these 16 & 20 passenger towers?
Have they built any in the US?  Because I have yet to see one and it's not like parks are really building them anymore.  Most that are going to have one already do.

Dude, why so hostile.

Everything I posted came from their websight.


 It was inquisitive. 

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQa-M45qi2kH9RvB6svmMVGSDo87u7ja2ZaTJcTi5X4tQ9Uz4LZLg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on March 30, 2015, 07:46:30 PM
Nothing but funnin' with Swoosh and yeah if we did get crossways it'll go to PM.

Some of us hang at some rough team message boards or others like it especially us SEC folk and we tend to know when someone is crappie fishing with 20 poles handing out with  pale full of minners.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: CaptainTom on March 30, 2015, 10:17:56 PM
[ADMIN EDIT - FYI, I deleted a number of argumentative posts in this thread, but will leave this one. - Shave]

I love SDC and have been going since I was a kid back in the 70s. I enjoy sharing knowledge with people about the parks that I attend often, and I love learning history, tips, or tricks from other like minded people.

The beauty of coming to a new forum is that at first I don't have any opinion or allegiance to anyone on it. With that being said I would like to share my observations with some of you, especially the moderators.

This young man, Leroy, is getting a really bad shake on here. I don't know him or anyone else on here from Adam, and you can take my observation or leave it. It has just gotten to the point of bullying and harassment that I felt like I needed to stand up and say something.

I went back and read every one of Leroy's posts....all 98 of them and even put them into context to get a feel to how the post was "sounding" in response to other posts. I totally admit that some of his ideas of shows, music, or rides are ridiculous to my ear for my beloved SDC, but I can tell, nonetheless, that he is excited and has an equal love of the park and doesn't say a negative thing to anyone. He also seems to feel he has an "in" at the park and that he may hold knowledge that the rest of us don't have. Too all this I say.....SO WHAT, who cares, just because you don't like what he says it doesn't give some of you the right to make personal attacks on him.

To those of you that felt the need to make fun of this young man's photos and bully him by referring to Deliverance, basically saying he looks like an inbreed, and if he plays banjo, or calling him a troll (2015 Meet Up thread)....shame on you. I understand all of your inferences, whether he does or not, whether you admit it or not, it is incredibly offensive. All your other little snide comments say a whole lot more about you, than it does of him. If anyone deserves to be banned from this site...it is those making these personal attacks, not the guy that who seems like he is trying to be helpful, even if he maybe a little bit of a narcissist.

Moderators....take this however you want, I just couldn't in good conscience sit back while these "veteran" posters continued to act like elitist forum bullies. I would think that everyone would be accepting of others that are here to share their love of this park and post ideas of what they would like to see, even if you don't agree with these ideas. If I am now unwelcome here because of this post, then so-be-it, I will just say.....Enjoy the park and try to remember the Christian values that it prides itself on. Thanks for listening.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on March 30, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
...
Too all this I say.....SO WHAT, who cares, just because you don't like what he says it doesn't give some of you the right to make personal attacks on him.

...

Moderators....take this however you want, I just couldn't in good conscience sit back while these "veteran" posters continued to act like elitist forum bullies. I would think that everyone would be accepting of others that are here to share their love of this park and post ideas of what they would like to see, even if you don't agree with these ideas. If I am now unwelcome here because of this post, then so-be-it, I will just say.....Enjoy the park and try to remember the Christian values that it prides itself on. Thanks for listening.


Thanks CaptainTom, well said. Some people here will be taking a break from the board until their attitude adjusts. I'm so tired of this and I don't understand why it's so hard for people to get it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 31, 2015, 09:58:09 AM
Thank you to the both of you! I wont say that love you both right now, because someone might call me gay. But i could hug you both right now! By the way, im not gay.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 31, 2015, 10:11:07 AM
Also, I dont think Im a narcissist because I am not Selfish. I love helping people get to where they want to go because I love helping the guests, and I will work as long as I get money for it. I am just like any other person and I dont like to make personal attacks or say mean things to anyone because I am not a bully. I want peace around the world.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on March 31, 2015, 06:13:03 PM
Thank you, Captain Tom, for your comments.  Please don't think that it went this far without us noticing and addressing the issue.  Since shave is the head honcho around here, we usually defer to his wisdom.  We tried to address the issue through private messages to some of the members, and we had some success with that process when others piled on, as well.  I have a slightly different take on the events than you expressed, but you eloquently put things into perspective.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on March 31, 2015, 09:52:24 PM
Yes, I have been liking his wisdom lately and I mean that in a good, clean way.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on April 01, 2015, 03:56:51 PM
I agree and relate to CaptainTom as well.
got my first knife at SDC over 35 years ago.
Do you remember the log competitions?
I talked to the Captain at Titanic last year. Anyone know who he was at SDC? I do now...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on April 01, 2015, 04:30:55 PM
No need for fussing and fighting, my friends. The Beatles said it best, allyou need is love. :)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: CaptainTom on April 01, 2015, 11:25:35 PM
Cheers all.....looking forward to a great 2015 season at SDC and to sharing ideas and experiences with you all throughout the year!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Joy on April 01, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
Exactly, Junior! We can work it out. ;)

I'd love to see the log-rolling competition come back to Lake Silver; maybe the openness of Fireman's Landing would make it easier to watch? When they brought it back a couple years ago, it was kinda hard to find a good spot to watch it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 02, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
Oh how I miss the lumberjacks! I dont mean that in any gay way. I just think tree climbing, log cutting, and log rolling is cool.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Junior, too! on April 02, 2015, 07:01:37 PM
Lumberjack show originated in the early 80s in the pond by the waterfall at the lumbercamp. The entire area was packed at showtime. My pal Richard Young, who in recent years watches the line at the Opera House, and is Aunt Judy's husband, used to emcee those early shows, and did a great job.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on April 02, 2015, 08:30:43 PM
So, are we going to talk about Fireman's Landing on this thread, or not?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on April 02, 2015, 11:41:10 PM
Fireman's Landing?

What's that?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 03, 2015, 07:55:22 AM
Lol. I cant believe we all got off topic this long and nobody noticed until now.  ;D :D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on April 03, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
It's the 2015 thread about what's coming up for an area that's already there.  These threads often try to hang on to life after the reveal.  This is merely the a dated thread's way of dying.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Graybeard on April 12, 2015, 07:06:34 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6701873,-93.339032,354m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Graybeard on April 12, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
I provided link above to latest satellite view of site.  l think if you took in the employee lot and all available space you might could squeeze in coaster behind Fireman's Landing.  Other than that things are getting boxed in accept for out along train run.   
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on April 12, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
MAN!!  I wish google would update on an annual basis,  or have live feed without a fee..   


after all it is 2015 and "we have the technology".

 ;D
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: marolinesdad on April 12, 2015, 11:19:44 AM
There is a ton of unsed space on the other sides of the park.  Like behind wild fire and powder keg. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 12, 2015, 01:04:26 PM
When I zoom in, I see the 2013 version. When I zoom out, I can see the 2015 version and Fireman's Landing. They're just covering up the old with the new, or trying to anyways... This is what I see.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 12, 2015, 01:17:03 PM
Google Earth doesn't update all forms of an image every time they update.  It depends on how high resolution they photographed an area with that swipe. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 12, 2015, 06:07:57 PM
There is a ton of unsed space on the other sides of the park.  Like behind wild fire and powder keg. 

It doesn't even have to be a large space for a decent coaster.  There's room between Fireman's Landing and the old Waterboggin tower.

Here's a photo of coaster going in at Phantasialand with a parking lot in view for scale(folks that hate other parks look away)
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/thumb__dsc0394.jpg)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 12, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
Take a look at this first coaster. Thats a coaster that takes up little space because the track is all above you. Plus, its very different. Which is what you want at SDC. http://youtu.be/TcJKqigC4iQ
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2015, 06:16:03 AM
No. That's not a good fit for SDC. It needs to be something the whole family can experience together that is high in PPH
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 13, 2015, 09:28:18 AM
Take a look at this first coaster. Thats a coaster that takes up little space because the track is all above you. Plus, its very different. Which is what you want at SDC. http://youtu.be/TcJKqigC4iQ

The only thing that would be good for is for maybe an indoor ride, yes indoor. Think inside a grain mill like this
(http://www.ontfin.com/Word/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/PortPerryGrainmill.jpg)

But Swoosh is right, needs to be higher Capacity and more family oriented.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2015, 04:32:05 PM
Not to mention it sounds like SFSTL will get a clone either next year or 2017
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Gilligan on April 13, 2015, 05:40:19 PM
I'd love to see an indoor family attraction tied to a grain mill theme.  Cool idea!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on April 13, 2015, 08:07:52 PM
I don't know what I'm going to have to do to keep discussions in the appropriate thread. Once again: talk about ideas in the ideas thread.

Fireman's Landing officially opened today with our very own Swoosh leading the way. That's pretty amazing, I wish I hadn't been so busy this week so I could've made a bigger deal about it. I've got to get back to making front-page updates.

You can definitely see why they went with the Fireman's theme vs. the fireworks factory or the other theme ideas. The whole patriotic/hero marketing ploy is so hot right now. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily. I think it worked out the best in any case.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: chittlins on April 13, 2015, 08:19:06 PM
I don't know what I'm going to have to do to keep discussions in the appropriate thread. Once again: talk about ideas in the ideas thread.

Fireman's Landing officially opened today with our very own Swoosh leading the way. That's pretty amazing, I wish I hadn't been so busy this week so I could've made a bigger deal about it. I've got to get back to making front-page updates.

You can definitely see why they went with the Fireman's theme vs. the fireworks factory or the other theme ideas. The whole patriotic/hero marketing ploy is so hot right now. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily. I think it worked out the best in any case.

The even have the evil Russian wrestler bit back in fake wrasslin'.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 13, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
I don't know what I'm going to have to do to keep discussions in the appropriate thread. Once again: talk about ideas in the ideas thread.

Fireman's Landing officially opened today with our very own Swoosh leading the way. That's pretty amazing, I wish I hadn't been so busy this week so I could've made a bigger deal about it. I've got to get back to making front-page updates.

You can definitely see why they went with the Fireman's theme vs. the fireworks factory or the other theme ideas. The whole patriotic/hero marketing ploy is so hot right now. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily. I think it worked out the best in any case.

My band photographer snapped some photos from the event other than just the band.  If I ever get a free evening this week I'll get an update up with photos.  It was a very cool event. 

Speaking of service men - we've done law enforcement and firefighters - who is next? 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on April 13, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
TEACHERS!!!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 16, 2015, 06:46:33 PM
Law enforcement? Where? Maybe the sheriff guy in the Street Shows. I hope youre not talking about Outlaw Run. Thats about Cowboys, horse riders, victims. Not law enforcement.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: History Buff on April 16, 2015, 06:52:39 PM
It is themed to law enforcement.  All riders are chasing the outlaws, and there is a "monument" to law enforcement officers in front of the queue.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: marolinesdad on April 16, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
They even had a special opening celebration for OutLaw Run and law enforcement.   You know.  The good guys always win. 
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on April 17, 2015, 10:00:44 AM
farmer was probably the largest occupation. and it is broad enough to include moonshiner, animals, country cookin, farm equipment.
Little House on the Praire roots isnt too awful far from SDC.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on April 17, 2015, 01:41:48 PM
Just wondering if the lines have been very long for Firefall?  I'm looking forward to riding it.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on April 17, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Law enforcement? Where? Maybe the sheriff guy in the Street Shows. I hope youre not talking about Outlaw Run. Thats about Cowboys, horse riders, victims. Not law enforcement.

Yes, Outlaw Run.  Next time you are in the area observe some of the details. They also had a similar ceremony for it like Fireman's Landing.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Tmboote on April 17, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Just wondering if the lines have been very long for Firefall?  I'm looking forward to riding it.

When we were there on the second weekend SDC was open, the lines were about 60 minutes long so we never waited for it. We were going to ride it right at opening on the last day we were there, but of course it didn't open on time. I think the lines for it will get shorter as the "newness" wears off though because I can't see Firefall being a ride that people want to ride over the coasters, TGS, and the other rides. I hope to be able to ride it when we go next time.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Duelist on April 17, 2015, 08:01:26 PM
^ Thanks for the reply!  We're planning on going Mother's Day weekend and i'm hoping to catch a ride on it.  Looks fun!
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on April 17, 2015, 09:38:59 PM
It is themed to law enforcement.  All riders are chasing the outlaws, and there is a "monument" to law enforcement officers in front of the queue.

I never saw it that way. I wondered why the star was there.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on May 11, 2015, 01:15:26 PM
Google maps has been updated for 2015, showing a recent picture of the landing with people in it: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6710078,-93.3383788,144m/data=!3m1!1e3

I know this was available earlier on mobile, but for some reason I could never get the updated images on PC until now.

It's a great picture, the park is packed, but the trees are still bare and the image is sharp enough to be able to see everything. Looking down on Fireman's Landing, it kind of makes you wonder why they didn't space it out a little more. Future plans maybe...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Dewayne on May 11, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
I think that area to the SE just might be big enough for a coaster... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: jstein4507 on August 18, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
Now that the newness has worn off on FL, does anyone else miss the Gulch?
This is the first time in a decade that I am considering against Season Passes for next year.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: shavethewhales on August 18, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Not me, my family had MUCH more fun in FL than we would have in Geyser Gulch. The only thing Geyser Gulch had over FL was the water cannons. The total package of FL is a lot better for everyone. Plus the air conditioning and plentiful seating for parents/family inside is wonderful.

Which part about the Gulch do you miss?
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Swoosh on August 18, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
Considering that my family visits FL every trip and hadn't stepped into GG in like forever.... Nope
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: joshblakebran on August 18, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
My family and I much prefer FL...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: DollarCityBoy on August 19, 2015, 08:49:32 AM
GG sure was pretty at Christmas though.
I'm curious to see how FL turns out, since this will be it's 1st Christmas.
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: sanddunerider on August 19, 2015, 08:53:17 AM
GG sure was pretty at Christmas though.
I'm curious to see how FL turns out, since this will be it's 1st Christmas.

Good point Dollar, I am sure FL will be ALL dolled up with lots of lights.!

I dont miss GG at all, it was designes for kids only, and was getting lots of wear and tear on it.  FL, as we know is for the whole family,. I can walk around that area with things to look at, fire engines, antique displays, the lake..  so much more to do in that area...
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: MissinTheGreenTrams on August 19, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
I loved GG. My son loved GG. We had some fun in there!!! I will miss it. I do however know there needed to be change and upgrading. I am thankful HE has the guts to do what needed to be done. Sure it was bittersweet. I am looking forward to seeing the new area in October. Hopefully at this time it wont be packed with cheel-dren.  ;)
Title: Re: SDC's 2015 Project
Post by: Pudgy Jones on August 20, 2015, 09:50:51 AM
I was really skeptical about Fireman's Landing. It doesn't really scream 1880's Ozark Mountains to me. However, after seeing it this summer, count me impressed.