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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: Swoosh on July 01, 2012, 09:59:19 PM
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If they are going by the "plan" still, the next addition will be a small one where it has been thought that two rides from CC will come over and then after that is the next generation of Mystery Mine.
Not sure if that is still the "plan" but that is what had been said by my sources before the season began.
Also, I heard some rumblings that a restaurant might be removed at the end of the season and a new smaller one built. Any ideas?
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The BBQ joint down near the Lost River? you know the one that really doenst BBQ anything. THey just leave a few plates out ther on the grill with dummy food out there. THey need to do something with this restaurant. Its prefab foods they try to pretend are made there.
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You know almost every restaurant does that, right?
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I know it Swoosh, You must remember the days of real charcoal there in the park. That's when they did the cooking there, it wasnt that long ago. It bothers me that they dont go the extra mile and put out the effort for quality. Quite possibly the numbers are there to support them regardless of what they serve. It really grinds my gears when I walk by and remember that there used to be quality.
Sorry for the bitching and fond memories.
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FTR, if I eat at the park, the Ribhouse is where I eat and I love their food there.
To each his own, I guess.
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Splitting this off from the new coaster thread since this is more down-the-road.
If they're taking out a restaurant, I'd wager it's either the Riverside Rib House or the Lumbercamp. The reason I say both of these is because they could simply be setup better than they are now. Both suffer from awkward arrangements and poor flow through compared to what a major park should have. I just don't understand why they would replace any restaurant with a smaller version - they could stand to add another one from what I've seen.
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they could stand to add another one from what I've seen.
I dont notice the Ribhouse ever filling all the levels of seating that are located there. The seating runs all the way up to Wilsons farm. Do you folkks notice them using that seating often?
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The food quality for a full meal has gone down. We rarely eat in the park anymore whith the prices even with the season pass discount. Some of us must be rare in our belief that quality has diminished.
There's so many rides that would be great and themed to SDC with ease. Other than Roaring Falls what else is left at SDC worth bringing over and Roaring Falls is basically covered by American Plunge.
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Roaring Falls is a people eater and is also a "spectator attraction" two things the park loves.
BTW, the restaurant is not Ribhouse
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My guess on the restaurant being removed would be Aunt Polly's Fried Chicken. Never really seemed like they were very busy - but looks can be deceiving.
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Roaring Falls is a people eater and is also a "spectator attraction" two things the park loves.
BTW, the restaurant is not Ribhouse
Is the S&S shot tower still there. I've forgot. Tame by today's standards but a missing type of attraction that SDC needs.
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Yes, the S&S tower is still there. It's a fairly low capacity ride, but paired with RR it could be alright. It's just been a matter of time, seeing as everything else has been sold off.
The flying carpet is the only other ride I know of still at CC, I wonder if they have plans for it as well, or if it's just hard to sell.
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There are times I wish SDC would quit expanding. Its losing its magic the bigger it gets. I still love the place. Its wonderful and I am happy they are staying with the trends too. Its good to see that. But also bittersweet. With every "new" they are losing some "old" as well. Or is that just me......again me thinking is dangerous.....
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There are times I wish SDC would quit expanding. Its losing its magic the bigger it gets. I still love the place. Its wonderful and I am happy they are staying with the trends too. Its good to see that. But also bittersweet. With every "new" they are losing some "old" as well. Or is that just me......again me thinking is dangerous.....
I see your point! But what's new today is old tomorrow. I myself don't mind the expansion as far as size goes, but I don't want to see the old removed to make way for the new. For example I don't want to see the Flooded Mine removed to make room for Roaring Falls, just expand by adding the new.
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There are times I wish SDC would quit expanding. Its losing its magic the bigger it gets. I still love the place. Its wonderful and I am happy they are staying with the trends too. Its good to see that. But also bittersweet. With every "new" they are losing some "old" as well. Or is that just me......again me thinking is dangerous.....
I get it but don't agree with it. SDC has been changing ever since it's opened, We lament the old that we have lost like the Diving Bell. (which could easily be recreating amazingly with todays tech). It's got to grow to stay relevent or it will wither on the vine.
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I think that if the Lumbercamp was taken out, or altered the waterfall area could be greatly revamped. The area is back there, but do people really utilize it? I go up top and eat regardless if I am eating at the camp or not, but I don;t know how many people do actually go back there. Ever since the falls were closed, and the land of forgotten crafts were taken out, the falls have been a secondary destination.
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Will the restaurant be taken out so one of those rides can come in? Is that why it would be smaller when rebuilt?
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I think that if the Lumbercamp was taken out, or altered the waterfall area could be greatly revamped
I hate to see it revamped. The intamacy and woodsy feeling is still there down by the waterfall. I have yet to find a new construction spot in the city that is still tree shaded and cool. With new construction comes the removal of trees. Trees and shade are one of the attractions to SDC and it is being lost. The fir trees they add do provide screening so you cannot see whats beyond them but no real shade. Its the tree cover that I am missing. I really hope they start leaving the trees in stand alone planters with circle benches around them. It really makes a huge difference.
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Not Lumbercamp
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MAN!!! Swoosh your a killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I'd say Rube was right on the money, but Swoosh has a stronger inside track than most of us here with the exception of some of the "citizens." I personally have thought the Lumbercamp and waterfall area was ripe for a big ride. I could see the Ribhouse go...but that is an original building to the Deepwoods area. It is hard to imagine any of the big restaurant locations not being there. Please don't tell me it is the current Wagonworks, as I think the Main Street area needs to be kept "ride free." Hmmmm...time for more speculation. We shall see how things develop.
Rube, I think that city employees would tell you that "land of forgotten crafts" area was a weak attempt for its time. I would not be surprized to see it wiped out in place of a ride if for no other reason that some city managers from that era would like to see that relatively unsuccessful idea wiped off the map. Ha!
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Just throwing out an idea here - the area around Big Jack's area could be remodeled somehow, with the tree house being taken out for the shot tower. I don't know of any particular reason why they would other than to get rid of the tree house, but it's a thought.
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The entire complex where the mine is located Reunion hall and all is probably what he is referring too. I say let er go.
The mine is neat but upstairs has no draw for me at all.
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Instead of "where in the city" this thread has become "Which restaurant will receive the ol' SDC ax" ;)
My guess is like Shavethewhales, it might have to do with the treehouse/big jack's area. :-\
No one has even mentioned Mary's Springhouse as an option, but I really don't know. ???
mhguy77...NOOOOOOOOOO....I would hate to see Mine/Mill/Reunion messed with! :o
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Waterfall idea
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I think that if the Lumbercamp was taken out, or altered the waterfall area could be greatly revamped
I hate to see it revamped. The intamacy and woodsy feeling is still there down by the waterfall. I have yet to find a new construction spot in the city that is still tree shaded and cool. With new construction comes the removal of trees. Trees and shade are one of the attractions to SDC and it is being lost. The fir trees they add do provide screening so you cannot see whats beyond them but no real shade. Its the tree cover that I am missing. I really hope they start leaving the trees in stand alone planters with circle benches around them. It really makes a huge difference.
If I remember right, there's a sign outside the park that says for every tree. Or they remove for construction, they plant another one. Or something along those lines. ??? So I would guess we'll still have sufficient tree cover...SDC already has TONS of shade, so I wouldn't worry that much about it.
As for me, I have NO idea what restaurant will be changed, but I am excited to see some expansion!!
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I just hope they do something with the walkway leading to Wilson's Farm near Aunt Polly's. There is a narrow spot where it gets really congested. With the new coaster there's going to be a lot more traffic heading back that way. They really need to widen it and get rid of some of those small rock walls/planters.
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Hmmm...U Smell Smoke brings up a valid point.
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True...But in some places, there's not much else that they can do, what with the bottleneck between FITH's backside and Lost River. But those stone planters out front could stand to go, I agree...I'm sure that there is something else they could put there that would look just as good and take up less room...not sure what, though, but I'm sure SDC will figure it out just fine!
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If the enterance to the new coaster is going thur Wilsons's Farm it is going to get really crowded in there.
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I think that was definitely a hint for Aunt Polly's getting a redo...
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I think that was definitely a hint for Aunt Polly's getting a redo...
As far as I am concerned I would not miss anything that is between the tracks and the entrance to Wilson's farm.
I don't care a lick about the wax hands located in what used to be the ball room at Tom and Huck's. I would love for them to take what is thematic to the area and keep it but remove the wax hands and put something worthwhile and not fried in the aunt Polly's location.
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Hmmm...U Smell Smoke brings up a valid point.
OK>> nothing obvious about the "hint"... LOL>>
OR maybe,
Swoosh wouldn't make a misleading statement like that ;) ;).. Would he? ;)
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So I take it from the cryptic message of Swoosh that the Ribhouse will be remodeled, moved, or downsized in some way so a pathway can be opened up for the Wilson's Farm traffic flow improvement for the "Outlaw" roller coaster project. Stay tuned, folks... ;)
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I think you have it wrong. Its not the Ribhouse.
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well the ribhouse and its dining area does take up alot of "real estate".. could easily be redone and make use of that space more effectively.... as someone else said from the rib house to the walkway. could all be improved....
AND the hand wax area and north to the walk could be redone.... Move that stuff to GE, it woiuld fit it better there.!
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If Swoosh is to be believed (he's a Mizzou grad so that's 50/50) Outlaw Run is the cheapest of the three upcoming projects. The second one involves what I assume is Roaring Falls and the S&S shot tower from Celebration City so there's some else along with that and some major theming. I was thinking that both could be themed the the west like Outlaw Rum fairly easily.
I think I remember Swoosh poo poo'ing inversion and major drop talk early on in the 2013 talk. Something about us message board fan boys and our speculation.
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Be careful.
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I wouldn't take any speculation here too seriously, we are all probably less than 50/50 on speculation. A year or so ago most of us thought an MM clone was on the way, and then at least I thought it was going to be a GCII, among many other rumors that have come and gone.
Some of these rumors come from random workers that really don't know anything but just tell guests stuff that they think is happening and get taken too seriously. In other cases there are more reliable "sources", but the stuff they pass along may not be current or factual either. I believe there has been at least one time where there was something in planning that got leaked as a rumor, but then management changed their mind and something else was done.
So all-in-all no one here really is that close to having a clue as to what is going on with the park's future.
In any case, on the topic of the Wilson's farm pathway area, that whole area stretching down to the railroad bridge seems pretty awkward now. You've got random stalls, the wax hand booth setup in the old play area, a random empty area off to the side, and a bunch of giant play buildings that server no purpose any more. I'd like to see them spend a season rebuilding this whole area with shops and a new restaurant or something, but it's certainly more likely they'll just demolish the structures that are becoming deficient (which probably includes Aunt Polly's) and just put in outdoor stall style eateries. Maybe they'll at least put some covered dining areas in.
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Be careful.
Of what :D
I'm giving you an SEC welcome.
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Back to the original topic. I cannot see SDC still having its version of a mystery mine coaster on the books in the next two to three years. As history has proven, HFEC has never added two major coaster attractions in that time frame.
If I had to speculate, I would put my money on seeing our version of Adventure Mountain around the old Waterboggan site in the next two to three years. I'm hoping they would remove Geyser Gulch at the same time. In the next five years, I would also hope to see the Mystery Mine type coaster built in place of the Geyser Gulch footprint, giving the designers an opportunity to have the circuit hug and even go over portions of Silver Lake.
While they may not happen soon, or ever for that matter, I would love to see HFEC take on one or both of the following:
1) Remove and relocate the lot behind GE to create a large new area for future phased development of rides, shops & eats. It would also create an opportunity to add an additional access point to GE, which I believe could benefit the area greatly.
I also think it's a relatively flat area, which would be favorable for development.
2) Build a bridge/path to connect the back end of Geyser Gulch with Wilson's Farm. This would not only improve park flow with a "loop" around Lake Silver, but offer some nice new vistas of the park as well.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/McFlickr/SDC.png)
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Back to the original topic. I cannot see SDC still having its version of a mystery mine coaster on the books in the next two to three years. As history has proven, HFEC has never added two major coaster attractions in that time frame
Buzz Saw Falls 1999 Wildfire 2001
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^Also Thunderhead in 2004 and MM in 2007. But I don't know if anyone said it would be in the next two to three years anyway. Even if these rumors are correct, they can certainly still have some off-years where nothing is added or they focus on other things as they have done so often recently. OR, we could get lucky and they'll go on an investment splurge to get back their edge on the competition.
The walkway across the back of the lake will probably come some day, but I still say I wouldn't look for it anytime soon. It could certainly be used, but they would have a ton of work cut out for them getting all that stuff moved and then putting in new stuff around the path.
I agree that it's inevitable that we'll get some kind of Adventure Mountain concept soon given the success of DW's.
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For me, calling Buzzsaw falls a coaster is a bit of a stretch. And I wasn't implying the entire HFEC family, just SDC additions. And to quote Swoosh's original post for this thread...
"If they are going by the "plan" still, the next addition will be a small one where it has been thought that two rides from CC will come over and then after that is the next generation of Mystery Mine." I assume he meant immediately after, as in 2015.
It's all speculative. I just don't buy the idea that SDC would be debuting two major multi-million dollar coasters in a span of just two years. Or even three for that matter. Of course, I would be elated if they did.
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For me, calling Buzzsaw falls a coaster is a bit of a stretch. And I wasn't implying the entire HFEC family, just SDC additions. And to quote Swoosh's original post for this thread...
"If they are going by the "plan" still, the next addition will be a small one where it has been thought that two rides from CC will come over and then after that is the next generation of Mystery Mine." I assume he meant immediately after, as in 2015.
It's all speculative. I just don't buy the idea that SDC would be debuting two major multi-million dollar coasters in a span of just two years. Or even three for that matter. Of course, I would be elated if they did.
Concerning the service area. This is easy. It consists of several small buildings. SDC could build a new facility under one roof across the street. Steel buildings at cheap but they aren't outrageous either. If you keep them and just relocate the parking lot. It could be moved across 76. As with all the bike trails here in Fayetteville, a pedestrian tunnel could be build to not interfere with traffic one bit. They could even do that for the service area. They could keep it hid in plain sight with a new facility that's just camouflaged by themeing the facade or adding small shops and what not around the periphery
As to the train service area, I think I've mentioned this somewhere else on SDCfans, but how cool and btw fitting with the time period would a round house type area be. Kids love this type of stuff, think Thomas the Train. Have the turntable inside or out. Heck, it could become an attraction. If not make it visible and treat it like a crafts demo like the furniture mill
(http://americanbuildersquarterly.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Aerials-2011-07_05-OK.pdf-Adobe-Acrobat.jpg)
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How it could be an attraction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQC9bynfm0
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I think that if the Lumbercamp was taken out, or altered the waterfall area could be greatly revamped. The area is back there, but do people really utilize it? I go up top and eat regardless if I am eating at the camp or not, but I don;t know how many people do actually go back there. Ever since the falls were closed, and the land of forgotten crafts were taken out, the falls have been a secondary destination.
The lumbercamp is our favorite place to eat and we eat in the waterfall area...it is always busy when we've been there...it would be sad if the lumbercamp and waterfall area were removed...
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OOPS...I responded before reading the rest of the comments (I'm a bit behind on the threads right now)....anyway, glad to see Lumbercamp and the Waterfall will be left in for now...
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If I had to speculate, I would put my money on seeing our version of Adventure Mountain around the old Waterboggan site in the next two to three years. I'm hoping they would remove Geyser Gulch at the same time. In the next five years, I would also hope to see the Mystery Mine type coaster built in place of the Geyser Gulch footprint, giving the designers an opportunity to have the circuit hug and even go over portions of Silver Lake.
Not that I would not like to see added coasters but I would hate to see GG go. My kids love going there and if they get of that they are losing another good hands on play area for kids. You have to have more then just rides for families. Half dollar holler is nice but just does not have a enough to do after about 4 times around the nets.
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I would have to agree! GG should not be taken out. So many families visit the park with little ones. Even though I love the idea of a MM I do not think it should replace one of the few interactive attractions for children. GG is vital in keeping SDC a family oriented theme park!!!
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I totally hear you. And I have a toddler of my own who falls into the category of those who enjoy the GG area. Keep in mind, however that I'm suggesting that a similar, but newer and more adventurous area would potentially take it's place. I agree that simply removing it would be a mistake.
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I also agree. As much as those foam balls ick me out, GG is wonderful. HDH is great for tiny guys dont get me wrong, it is a nice addition and closes a gap for wee ones. And if GG was removed another gap would be placed for those who are too big for HDH and too small for the bigger rides. It is also nice for kids to just run and expend energy. I am fond of the germ spewing water spouts. Its a quick way to cool off without waiting in line for a water ride. I do appriciate GG. I would be speculativly sad to see it speculativly go.
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I love GG and I'd hate to see it go!
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I think that if the Lumbercamp was taken out, or altered the waterfall area could be greatly revamped
I hate to see it revamped. The intamacy and woodsy feeling is still there down by the waterfall. I have yet to find a new construction spot in the city that is still tree shaded and cool. With new construction comes the removal of trees. Trees and shade are one of the attractions to SDC and it is being lost. The fir trees they add do provide screening so you cannot see whats beyond them but no real shade. Its the tree cover that I am missing. I really hope they start leaving the trees in stand alone planters with circle benches around them. It really makes a huge difference.
I eat there! And if not eating, hubs and I go back there just to sit and have a drink. I love the waterfall area.
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I would love for the restaurant to be removed and for the waterfall area to start housing lumber jack shows! Would be amazing and revitalize that section!
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Geyser Towers just opened at Stone Mountain Park and I can't help but think how this would be a good addition and/or upgrade to the current Geyser Gulch. What I am suggesting is taking out the current foam ball area, mainly due to it needing a major refurbishment and the balls always get really yucky, and put the net climbs and geysers in there keeping the facade as is. I think this would be a major upgrade of the facility, give meaning to the name GEYSER Gulch and it would bring back the net climbs that we lost over at Tom Sawyer Landing.
Here's a video of the new attraction at Stone Mountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Rv7ZFBnd4&feature=player_embedded
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What a splendid idea! That would be alot of fun. I hate the foam balls. Ick. I would so play at this place and enjoy it.
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that would make a great "upgrade" to geyser's gulch... it for sure NEEDs something, and i think this would fit right in..
My only thought is that the PTB might think the the NEW gulch would be too much like HDH? with all the netting...
BUT i love the idea!
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Swoosh has a great idea. I liked the video. It appears as if the new attraction is modeled on the one at SDC, just tweaked with the theme, it seems.
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That in combination with the ropes courses of Adventure Mountain would be a grand slam. Half Dollar for the pre K and this combo takes care of grade school, adolecents, and adults.
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I say just redo that whole area for 2014. Put the net climb with geysers in the GG building. Put the Adventure Mountain rope course where Splash Harbor was. Move Roaring Falls and put it where the run outs for Waterboggan were and call it Geyser Falls and you have one heck of a new family fun area. The back story could be that the small village of Geyser Gulch was built next to Geyser Falls as a gold rush town - they used the the river created by the falls to pan for gold.
All buildings must have the topsy turvy theme to it though to carry out the current look of the area. Also the rope course needs to have themematic buildings too, it needs to fit into the area without being too intrusive with the whole look.
Love it!
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^Everything Swoosh said is perfection. I'd LOVE that to happen!
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I say just redo that whole area for 2014. Put the net climb with geysers in the GG building. Put the Adventure Mountain rope course where Splash Harbor was. Move Roaring Falls and put it where the run outs for Waterboggan were and call it Geyser Falls and you have one heck of a new family fun area. The back story could be that the small village of Geyser Gulch was built next to Geyser Falls as a gold rush town - they used the the river created by the falls to pan for gold.
All buildings must have the topsy turvy theme to it though to carry out the current look of the area. Also the rope course needs to have themematic buildings too, it needs to fit into the area without being too intrusive with the whole look.
Love it!
Best of all, no neon colored paint.
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I say just redo that whole area for 2014. Put the net climb with geysers in the GG building. Put the Adventure Mountain rope course where Splash Harbor was. Move Roaring Falls and put it where the run outs for Waterboggan were and call it Geyser Falls and you have one heck of a new family fun area. The back story could be that the small village of Geyser Gulch was built next to Geyser Falls as a gold rush town - they used the the river created by the falls to pan for gold.
All buildings must have the topsy turvy theme to it though to carry out the current look of the area. Also the rope course needs to have themematic buildings too, it needs to fit into the area without being too intrusive with the whole look.
Love it!
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!
Jay
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Make some the net attraction vunerable to the splash zone of the flume.
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I was thinking that the splash zone could hit the current deck there behind the Choo Choo McGoo's section of GG. The lift/turnaround for it would be where the old maintenance building was Waterboggan. Entrance would be just past the current GG tower complex before you turned the corner to where Splash Harbor was. Exit would be there next to Choo Choo McGoo's.
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I was thinking that the splash zone could hit the current deck there behind the Choo Choo McGoo's section of GG. The lift/turnaround for it would be where the old maintenance building was Waterboggan. Entrance would be just past the current GG tower complex before you turned the corner to where Splash Harbor was. Exit would be there next to Choo Choo McGoo's.
hey swoosh, i noticed that the Stone Mountain attraction was done by the Whitewater West group. Are the ones the also did Adventure Mountain and Geyser Gulch? If so, I saw this attraction on their web page, notice the structure thats similar to GG in the background and what might be some similar to the waterfront at GG. It's likd the new vekoma coaster going in at YAS and it has ability to drop water bombs so it's not a one sided affair.
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That is an interesting drawing/image,,,, makes you "wonder" what may be coming up... ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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^^I didn't see that on WWW's site, but it is on another company's site called 'Prime Play'. That is in fact GG in the background. Looks like they just needed a stock image to put their concept artwork on.
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^^I didn't see that on WWW's site, but it is on another company's site called 'Prime Play'. That is in fact GG in the background. Looks like they just needed a stock image to put their concept artwork on.
it's the same outfit, just another division. I got to that photo via Whitewater West's site.
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Here's the link:
http://www.primeplay.com/splash_track.html
They have other pics of their coaster in actual parks, so why would they paste a pic of their coaster on an image of GG?
I gotta say, I'm definitely intrigued. The fact that Herschend has worked with the company before and the fact that Splash Harbor was taken out and now has room over there for a new ride..... And this coaster is a water coaster....
I dunno guys; it might be an interesting clue.
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Did Doc make some sort of new fangled flying contraption??
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A number of companies have developed ride concept artwork for SDC that have never come to fruition, so perhaps they did develop that artwork for a pitch to SDC, but I doubt they accepted it. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't feel right for them with all the issues those rides have had in the past.
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A number of companies have developed ride concept artwork for SDC that have never come to fruition, so perhaps they did develop that artwork for a pitch to SDC, but I doubt they accepted it. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't feel right for them with all the issues those rides have had in the past.
where are they located. I know of one at hershey park and that one is old all things considered and a company fhat seems defunct at that. Vecoma is putting in one in Dubai. I and more importantly my kids really like the concept.
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I say just redo that whole area for 2014. Put the net climb with geysers in the GG building. Put the Adventure Mountain rope course where Splash Harbor was. Move Roaring Falls and put it where the run outs for Waterboggan were and call it Geyser Falls and you have one heck of a new family fun area. The back story could be that the small village of Geyser Gulch was built next to Geyser Falls as a gold rush town - they used the the river created by the falls to pan for gold.
All buildings must have the topsy turvy theme to it though to carry out the current look of the area. Also the rope course needs to have themematic buildings too, it needs to fit into the area without being too intrusive with the whole look.
Love it!
Wiow!!! That sounds really neat. I'd love to see something like that...
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Well Swoosh, lets get this topic going again. What did you hear about expansion?
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In about 5 years time, the current location of M&C will be moved north west to that huge plot of land that was cleared for staging of Outlaw Run. The vacated area will become the next plot of land that the park will expand into and will eventually create a loop connecting the new Stagecoach area to Grand Expo with a possible "crossing" at the "elbow" of Geyser Gulch.
No themes or rides were discussed just that this is the current long term plans for the park.
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M&C?
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Never mind , I just hit me. Maintenance and Construction.
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Well, I can tell you from the perspective of a former employee, this is major...a new area of the park opening up on property that has to be completely redeveloped because of existing structures. The lake will be surrounded completely with development. Go all the way back to the beginning of my Flickr site and see how undeveloped the land around the lake was in the 1970s. http://www.flickr.com/photos/juniordugan (Lake Silver, 78 & RDDB Wharf, 83)
I knew the park was having trouble finding usable land (something not on a hillside) and this really confirms it. Some of this redeveloped property will sit right alongside Highway 76. That disheartens me quite a bit. However, they did a pretty good job with GE, and although it is too close to the Indian Point/Hwy 76 junction for my liking, most of the time you cannot see the outside world from inside the park. Hmm, will they relocate some of the railroad tracks to open up the property on the backside of the lake so a new diving bell could be put in? Wishful thinking, I guess.
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We'll see what happens. The new Outlaw area is nicely set up for expansion in that direction, but I wouldn't expect them to move into the maintenance area for another 10-15 years at the soonest. There's still a lot of space to put stuff within the current area of the park, including the waterboggin area and the area behind GE. There's also various things they could redevelop, such as what is left of the landing and the treehouse. I don't see them going through the pain of moving all of that maintenance stuff until they really need too. The park is already pretty big to get around, you don't want it to get so big that you can't get across it easily.
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The M&C is what will be moved within 5 years, not the expansion starting. Sorry, my wording was a little off.
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Actually the park is currently pretty small in comparison to many other parks. We went to Cedar Point a couple years ago. I would guess you could fit 3 SDC's inside Cedar Point.
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It only makes sense to add a loop to ease congestion along the streets. The city has grown that it needs a bypass. Makes my wish of a working roundhouse for the train much more appealing and actually fit into the late 1800s theme perfectly. You hide in plain site.
I'd lile to see a themed area where the rides interact as the share the same footprint and keeps the park from sprawl.
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Actually the park is currently pretty small in comparison to many other parks. We went to Cedar Point a couple years ago. I would guess you could fit 3 SDC's inside Cedar Point.
If we are talking land, Cedar Point is not all that huge. It seems pretty big because of how they utilize what they have, but I don't think I would say that there would be room for 3 SDCs inside it.
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If you wanna talk fitting SDC into other parks, Disney is probably the best for comparison.
Silver Dollar City is 61 acres currently. You can fit 8.4 SDCs into Animal Kingdom (510 acres) [the safari alone covers 110 acres]; 4.9 into Epcot (300 acres); 2.2 into Hollywood Studios (135 acres); 1.9 into Magic Kingdom (117 acres); and 1.4 into Disneyland (85 acres). <NOTE: The acreages are what I found online, so I don't know exactly how accurate they are.>
Disney has the advantage of flat land. SDC is on top of a mountain, as well as a huge cave. So considering that, I'm really rather impressed at how far SDC has been able to expand thus far. As for Cedar Point, being that it's on a peninsula (right?), they have to cram a whole lot of stuff into a tiny area. SDC, on the other hand, has breathing room, which I like, because it means it doesn't feel overrun with stuff.
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You're short changing SDC. You should be counting the cave footprint into that figure as it is an attraction at the park.
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Cedar point is 364 acres so actually you could fit about 6 sdc's into it.
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I don't think comparing acreages really works with what I was referring too earlier. When I was talking about size, I was speaking in terms of how much area guests can cover in a days visit and how much effort it takes to maintain. SDC may not have as much pathway footage to go one circuit around the park as I was thinking earlier, but it is more difficult to get around than most parks, and it probably takes more effort to take care of due to all the trees and the fact that it's more difficult to move equipment around. Just some thoughts as to why you won't see them rushing to add another loop around the backside of the park anytime soon.
Anyway though, I drove past CC today and the S&S tower and SuperSplash are still sitting pretty. I'm going to go ahead and place my bets now that those two rides come over to SDC in either 2014 or 15 as a pair probably as an expansion off the backside of GE. My second guess is an adventure mountain style concept, perhaps with some sort of derivation such as the water effects that they have at Stone Mountain.
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"But iffen' you's to take it an roll it out flat, Law almighty only knows how much land you'd have!"
(Sorry if that's not exact, it's been 30 years since I recited Preachin' Bill for a college speech course.)
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I think the important thing to remember here is that size doesn't matter! ;)
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I agree. I love SDC! We get passes and go 8-10 times per year. All I was saying is the park is really not very big in comparison to many other parks.
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Really looking forward to see what the park has in store for 2014 and beyond.
Maybe Swoosh you can start teasing us a little in this thread regarding the 2015 plans...
Jay
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Really looking forward to see what the park has in store for 2014 and beyond.
Maybe Swoosh you can start teasing us a little in this thread regarding the 2015 plans...
Jay
It's big according to the Swooshster., Considering what Gerstlauer is doing at Alton Towers with a eurofigher with like 13 or 14 inversions, maybe we see a Mystery Mine type ride that goes for the North American Inversion record?
I've stated them many times, I'd like to see a coaster that floorless, a spinner and one that used the new vertical drop technology. I think one without inversions would be nice for families that don't like to go upside down. A GCI twisty would fit that well.
I bet Dollywood gets a RMC for 2015
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Yes, 2015 is going to be big.
2014 won't bring much as they ride Outlaw Run for another season, but White Water is said to get something.
Don't think we'll see a Mystery Mine. At least not in 2015
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I don't think DW will get an RMC, it's just too big for what they have going on there. The AM site is to close to Tornado, and the Train Tracks to construct one there. And Thunderhead does not need an overhaul. I would not be surprised to find another family style, non inverting coaster on the former AM site.
I also would never bet on a spinning coaster for SDC, or any HFE park. They are just not fun coasters IMO. Also WOF and SFSL have one so SDC would not bother trying to pull their numbers with a triplicate ride.
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Never been on one the Six flags clone spinners but my kids love the one at WoW. Seems there's been lots of improvement to these rides over in Europe since the first wave of them hit here. Many newer elements and layouts but I get thearguement you are saying.
Dollywood we get a RMC, just watch.
Seems they are going to reprofile lots of Six Flags coasters too
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I know we are just starting into 2013, but is there any speculation about whats to come next year?
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Looks like WW will get something next year and SDC in 2015
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Looks like WW will get something next year and SDC in 2015
Water coaster for WW? ;D
Doesn't mean there will not be anything going on at SDC though just small scale stuff.
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So... We all have been waiting for our version of MM, but we are going on 6 years now and no signs of it. Swoosh seems to think 2015 will be big, but no MM in sight. Are we really going to get something that is 10 years in the past? I'm not so sure. But anyway, if you were building SDC's version of MM, where would you put it? My area of choice would be across from GG. Take out the water guns and the pop jets and theme it as a logging company (Buzz Saw Falls Flashback!) The trains already resemble logs, and the placement there on the water would be beautiful. It would defiantly bring life back to the GG area, and it would be a nice start on that loop to OR.
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So... We all have been waiting for our version of MM, but we are going on 6 years now and no signs of it. Swoosh seems to think 2015 will be big, but no MM in sight. Are we really going to get something that is 10 years in the past? I'm not so sure. But anyway, if you were building SDC's version of MM, where would you put it? My area of choice would be across from GG. Take out the water guns and the pop jets and theme it as a logging company (Buzz Saw Falls Flashback!) The trains already resemble logs, and the placement there on the water would be beautiful. It would defiantly bring life back to the GG area, and it would be a nice start on that loop to OR.
The gerstlauer euro fighters are evolving, so I wouldn't rule one out. I'm curious to see the final product of Alton Towers eurofighter under construction.
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Using the top dining area of the lumbercamp as a loading platform, there will be another log ride on park, winding around on the wooded hill and around and under the waterfall. It will be called "Speculator Sam's Lumbercamp Log Flume" and soon you will notice some trees being cleared behind the Wilderness Church. 5 hewn log buildings will be constructed and will form a town square of an 1880's pioneer village where arts and crafts will be featured, basketweaver, dollmaker, sorghum making, gunsmithing, and wagon building. Just a little something to do while you wait for your tour of the new cave behind the animal petting farm they are building which will be called Ozarks Amazin' Cave. (Just guessing, ya know! ;))
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WOW JUNIOR!!!, been thinking about that much???? :o :o :o :o :o
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So a Roaring Falls kind of thing Junior? Deal me in!
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Last I heard Mystery Mine is DOA for SDC.
Now, that's just what a little birdie told me though.
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I would love to see another high capacity family ride come to SDC maybe an omnimover like what Disney does
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I too would love to see an omnimover style ride come to SDC. Something with great theaming that everyone in the family could ride. Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna LOVE Outlaw Run, but I will be the only one in my entire family that will be ridding it. My dad might ride it with me, but that is yet to be decided...
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I just can't see an omnimover happening, and here are my reasons
1. The park does not have a high enough daily attendance to justify the cost. Even on Disney's bad days they push 15,000-20,000 through each park.
2. What would they theme it as that would draw any type of media/attendance? I have always said, if you were to build the rides that Disney has in any other park, you could not pay people to ride them. The rides are not thrilling, they tell stories, stories that millions of people know and have grown up with.
3. Have you seen the size of these things? Fire in the Hole has nothing on the building size.
I understand the want, but you would be disappointed in the results of an HFE omnimover. Not that they could not build one, but it would be millions down the drain with no ROI. SDC would be much better off with a revamp of FITH or FM or even another non looping family coaster. I would honestly like to see a 4D theatre with the SDC story. Same theme as your omnimover but actual enjoyment out of it via the movement of the chairs, water sprits, air poofs, and such.
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What are the chances of SDC getting a wingrider like Wild Eagle in 2015?
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OK, call me crazy here, but at OTC especially, the biggest attraction just might be the train. I think it would be beneficial to have BOTH train engines (either replaced with new ones that LOOK identical) or completely rebuild the ones we have. (You know maybe do 1 at a time during the winter months).
I would also like to see a few more shops like -- candlemaking, hat making, ETC.
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A train engine is rebuilt each year - they have 3. They are currently in the process of rebuilding the carriages and replacing the tops with newer ones. You can see the progress they've made on the current train as I think at least two, maybe three of the carriages are the new style.
There is a candle making shop (Carrie's Candles) in midtown and they do make straw hats (or at least have them for sale) in a few different locations.
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A SDC resort, with it's own entrance,access to SDC? Maybe connected to the park by the Frisco train? Something styled along the lines of a Great Wolf Lodge?? SDC is already in the lodging business, the Wilderness, why not take the next step? It could be open year round, create winter-time employment for some. Just a thought.
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Here's the link:
http://www.primeplay.com/splash_track.html
They have other pics of their coaster in actual parks, so why would they paste a pic of their coaster on an image of GG?
I gotta say, I'm definitely intrigued. The fact that Herschend has worked with the company before and the fact that Splash Harbor was taken out and now has room over there for a new ride..... And this coaster is a water coaster....
I dunno guys; it might be an interesting clue.
And the page now requires login whereas none of their other attractions do. Nice work guys!
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Here's the link:
http://www.primeplay.com/splash_track.html
They have other pics of their coaster in actual parks, so why would they paste a pic of their coaster on an image of GG?
I gotta say, I'm definitely intrigued. The fact that Herschend has worked with the company before and the fact that Splash Harbor was taken out and now has room over there for a new ride..... And this coaster is a water coaster....
I dunno guys; it might be an interesting clue.
And the page now requires login whereas none of their other attractions do. Nice work guys!
Vekoma has a suspended water bombing coaster now and there is one that just recently went into operation at YAS Waterworld where you can drop water bombs and also get shot at with water cannons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAVmtVxzBDY
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HFE is not going to buy a Vekoma, they have bought and managed parks with them (Wild Adventures, Darien Lake, Elitch Gardens.) and its not a quality product. As for WWW/Prime Play, I have never been a fan, but HFE loves doing business with them. Now as for the risk that this "Water Coaster" comes with (not many installs if any, low capacity, strange/awkward location) I'm not sure HFE will take it.
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Is Prime Play the company who did Geyser Gulch? I was looking through their website and wondered if GG was a Prime Play Foam Factory.
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Is Prime Play the company who did Geyser Gulch? I was looking through their website and wondered if GG was a Prime Play Foam Factory.
Seems to be.
Same company that owns Waterwater, that makes tons of water park stuff
They recently bought out Hopkins as well, which makes water rides and the PTB have done business with them as well.
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Prime Play built the foam ball section and play structures inside GG. The facade was built in house by HFE