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Silver Dollar City & Celebration City Discussion => Construction/Rumors => Topic started by: cowboy on May 03, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
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I just was sent an email and finished taking a survey for "future" attractions for Silver Dollar City.
There were three concepts:
1) a stage coach themed MotoCoaster (similar to Pony Express at Knotts)
2) a S&S launch tower
3) "The Bull" wooden coaster
Of course my vote went to The Bull.
Edit: I removed the link because it was a specific link tied directly to me.
Jay
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Awesome, good to know they're finally shopping for new rides.
The wooden coaster is easily going to be the popular choice, though a motocoaster would be interesting so long as it's longer/better than the pathetic Pony Express at Knotts.
The S&S launch tower is obviously just accelerator from CC. I was hoping they'd throw that in the park for a lower cap. ex. year like this one. Hopefully they don't cheap out and use it as a "major" addition.
I think we'll see a wooden coaster soon. It's always been a matter of when, and it's been looooong overdue.
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yes! wooden coaster should be an automatic choice.. lots of space in the WW area. That would be great!
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Did they have concept art and if so did you take a screen shot like a good boy would?
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I just got the survey. I saved the pics & the descrips. Is it okay for me to post them here?
BTW, I voted highest for the Stagecoaster (sorry woodie fans).
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How can I get the survey? I'd like to give my 2 cents worth of input.
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I just got the survey. I saved the pics & the descrips. Is it okay for me to post them here?
Yeah it should be OK. Concept pieces are only concepts after all.
^They're sent out to a random sampling of pass holders and others on their mailing list. Usually only a couple of people on these forums gets one.
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I got excited when I read stage coach, until I read coaster after. ;D Was hoping for a rebirth of the old Butterfield Stage. I realize it will never happen, but it's nice to dream. Not familiar with the Pony Express, I'm guessing it's a wooden coaster with cars shaped like a stagecoach?
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Not familiar with the Pony Express, I'm guessing it's a wooden coaster with cars shaped like a stagecoach?
Nope it is a launch coaster with seats that remind you of those on Electro Spin
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/32205_861976110960_15924968_46920283_5758880_n.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/Stagecoaster.jpg)
Stagecoaster: A team of horses idle between two stagecoaches. Choose your mount and strap into the saddle. Your horse suddenly takes off and you are off at a furious pace, hunched close to the ground. Your pace seems even faster as the landscape whips past you at breakneck pace. As you ride the coaster, swerving left and right, you follow tight curves as canyon walls flash past you, closely hugging hills and gullies, bounding through gulches with the rest of your team. The coaster ride is fast & furious filled with hairpin turns and narrow escapes and despite the urgency of your ride, you find the experience surprisingly exhilarating!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/Moon_Shot.jpg)
Moon Shot: Board the launch vehicle & fasten your restraints as you settle into one of the rows of seats that surround you on four sides. It’s the final seconds of the launch countdown. You hear the roar of the steam-powered propulsion system building up beneath you, then you suddenly shoot skyward, punching through a huge cloud of steam as you soar higher & higher….only to begin a free-fall screaming back to earth. At the very last moment, the thrusters re-start and you are launched up the tower once again…only to sputter at the top for a second time. The falling-launching-falling cycle repeats itself a few more times.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/The_Bull.jpg)
"The Bull" Wooden Coaster: As you board the great wooden coaster, the blazing scarlet ride vehicle, with its glowing red eyes and serious-looking horns rumbles in the load station and looks as powerful as its flesh and blood counterpart. Moments later you are hanging on for dear life as “the Bull” roars out on the wooden track snorting steam as it tops the lift and sends you screaming through the farm-scape, entering and exiting through a pair of bull-shaped holes previously punched out by you-know-who.
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Did they have concept art and if so did you take a screen shot like a good boy would?
Sorry Swoosh, I made the post and took the survey on my phone....At first I posted the link to the survey so everyone could see it, but when I went to look at the survey again I noticed it asked me if I wanted to make corrections to my earlier answers. That's when I realized it was a specific link just for me so I removed it from my post.
Thank you tinaalsgirl for posting the concept art and descriptions. Is it too much to ask for SDC to give us all three over the next couple years?
Jay
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interesting concept pictures..
All 3 in the next couple of years? After what we saw in 2011? dont think so!
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Interesting! We will see what happens here.
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The horse drawn stage coach deal looked fun until I saw the good old wooden coaster. I then fell in love and would feel cheap and used should they place the hair brained stage coach idea in.........GO WITH THE BULL WHIP!!!!
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The bull gets my vote !!!
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The bull gets my vote !!!
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I like the theming and concept art of the Shot Tower the best. With that said, i am NOT a fan of "shot towers". I feel that they are just cheap trills. Of the three, my favorite is the Woodie Coaster minus the theme for it. If that's what SDC goes with, then i hope they change the theme to something related to the SDC Lake area. Maybe the greedy bros?
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Sorry, Greedy Brothers was 1984. It only lasted one season for a reason.
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Usually the themes for these concept pieces are extremely rough and are only thrown together to get the point across. They only thing I get from "the bull" concept is that it would be part of the Wilson Farm area, which has a nice valley off to the side that could be interesting for a GCII.
I'd be a tad disappointed if they went with the Zamperla launched coaster (Pony Express), as those rides have historically been let-downs so far. The motocoaster versions have been described as fun for what they are, which isn't saying much, and Pony Express at Knotts was forgotten about as soon as it opened because the ride only lasts 4 seconds. I know SDC would put more into it and make it work, but it would definitely be more difficult to pull off than a woodie. I'm kind of wondering if they're looking at this idea due to the success of PK and the age range that they're trying to market to these days. A woodie would appeal to everyone, but the Pony Express style ride seems more geared toward younger kids, and would set them apart from WOF and SFStL, both of whom have installed woodies in the last 5 years.
I'm still pondering why the shot tower is in there. I do think it'd be great to have in the park, but like I said, it would be foolish to try to pass an old S&S double shot off as a major attraction. If they want to do that kind of attraction on a major scale, they need to get a 3 or 4 tower version, maybe with a combo set up instead of just the typical shot and drops.
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The Motocoaster is also at Darien Lake. Which HFE now operates. Maybe once they see how it operates at Darien Lake they will add that to one of their parks
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da bull!!!! :o :o
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I agree with Polley, the Moon Shot has the best concept presentation, but unless SDC is adding something akin to Disney's Tower of Terror (the Orlando version) I have zero interest in this attraction.
The Stagecoaster would be unique to the area, but Zamperla coasters are underwhelming and too short.
That leaves The Bull. Clearly the best option for thrill fans, but unless some additional narrative elements are added, the end result will be less SDC and more Six Flags/Cedar Fair. Still, if GCI or the Gravity Group is involved, the layout will be unique and terrain hugging, and the ride will be fast, thrilling, and smooth.
Of the three options listed, The Bull would get my vote.
(M. Havoc - recent SDC convert [2009], and long time lurker, but first time poster - be gentle!).
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What about the discussion recently that some big simulation type attraction (like the old diving bell was) was being considered? Anything to a simulation attraction for the park in the near future..say next three years or so?
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The Bull gets my vote as well; although not in love with the name, I would like to see a wooden roller coaster (im assuming that this will go at WW/behind GG).
The stage Coaster seems intreging though; and will it be an indoor or outdoor ride? The description seems vague to me.
I also always liked the Icehouse concept too.
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BRING BACK THE BELL!!!!!
I was too young to appreciate that ride in 1980 the last time I rode it.
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The stage Coaster seems intreging though; and will it be an indoor or outdoor ride? The description seems vague to me.
It would probably look like this: http://rcdb.com/4293.htm?p=22724
Low to the ground, lots of canyon theming, and seats that look like horses which you have to straddle.
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Do we really need another launched coaster?
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Sorry, Greedy Brothers was 1984. It only lasted one season for a reason.
Actually, the greedy brothers lasted a bit longer then 1984. If you recall the Greedy Brothers lived on way past '84 in the way of the Greedy Brothers Shanty Town. That playground didn't close until the mid 1990's. (According to tinaalsgirl from a previous post, it was removed sometime around the '94 season)
Even the diving bell was removed for a reason. So where many other attractions at SDC. I'm simply stating that it would be great to bring back elements of old themes from the lake area if management chooses to utilize the WW property.
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No launch coaster, one is enough for sure..
BUT there aint no woody! ;D We need a woodie ;D oops that sounded wrong..... ;)
We would like a wooden roller coaster please. ::) (that's sounds better)
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BRING BACK THE BELL!!!!!
I was too young to appreciate that ride in 1980 the last time I rode it.
I'm with you! Loved the Bell, remember when you had to help save it by getting the water out by turning the wheels and using the pump thing; oh and help move it through the water to avoid getting hit? Loved helping the captain. Think my sister & I did that 4-5 times a day along with FITH. Of course when the Plunge came in then we had to add that. :D
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I really think SDC would benefit from getting a major woodie. I don't like the name "The Bull" though, SDC can come up with better. But I also think the area around Powderkeg would benefit from a shot tower like the concept shown. It would help with Powderkeg's lines and also fit the theme of the area. I've wanted both of these ride concepts for quite some time.
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Keep in mind that these concepts, especially the names, are very rough sketches put together just to gauge general reactions.
I'm sure they're looking for statistical deviations between the reactions of various demographics for each concept. If a ton of younger families lean toward the pony express coaster, that would really appeal to the PTB versus a wooden coaster that is more of a general audience pleaser. I'm feeling more and more like the shot tower is in there just to act as a backup or to provide a third option for statistical purposes or something. It just doesn't seem like a route the PTB would go unless they're actually planning to purchase a new, larger tower.
I really don't know if the pony express coaster would really help them with the younger demographic versus a wooden coaster though, the novelty really seems like it wears off fairly quickly on most of these motocoasters. However, adding a farther-appealing wooden coaster may bring in too much of a thrill seeker demographic than the park wants to deal with right now. I feel like if they do go the wooden coaster route, they may aim it towards a smaller profile instead of something larger. I don't even know if they'll go as big as Prowler at WoF, though I'd be ecstatic if they got anything like that.
Just my thoughts, what do you all think they're really gauging?
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I would imagine if they go with the wooden coaster, it'll be on par with Thunderhead.
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No doubt a wooden coaster would be a huge draw for the park. If they do put it in the WW area, it would help traffic flow also.
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Why does it seem like this is a Flooded Mine replacement? Look at the picture:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tina_als_girl/Silver%20Dollar%20City/Moon_Shot.jpg)
It looks like it is in the middle of the lake with the same look (of the building) as Flooded Mine. What are your thoughts?
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I don't think there's any way they'll replace the flooded mine anytime soon. It's still a very popular family attraction and has no major issues to speak of.
Considering the train in the background, I kind of pictured this on the backside of the park in the old Splash Harbor location.
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No way they will eliminate the FM. As shave said it is popular and I would think very low maintenece..
train in background and building on the left does indicate that corner of park.
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Typically artist renderings are just a proof of concept, and not blueprints of what an actual ride will look like.
I am supportive of a wooden rollercoaster. The "bull" idea does seem intriguing if Silver Dollar City is able to effectively pull it off. According to the concept, the rollercoaster train is supposed to be loosely based off of a bull, so in effect it is the "bull" that is taking the riders on this great adventure. However, I suppose I am more comfortable with Silver Dollar City using "1880's inventions" (example: Wildfire's flying contraption), or "1880's machinery" (example: Thunderation’s mine train), as the ride vehicle rather than a bull. My point is a bit confusion, but I would rather keep the plastic animal rides in the Grand Exposition.
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Never take too much stock in these photos; they are just something to get the idea across.
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true enough, but the photo rendering does give you an idea of location in the park. even if it a rough drawing. they are thinking about something specific. ;)
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I did not recieve this survey. usually I do.. Oh well.. At least I get to read about it here...
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I almost missed taking the survey- it went straight to my spam folder when sent.
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I have never received a survey.. thats ok thought I get to voice my thought and opinions here, thanks to all of you.
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If the above rendering was actually done specifically for SDC, see the train? Looks like intentions are for the Splash Harbor location ;)
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Has anybody heard any counts on the survey numbers? I was just curious what attraction is in the lead. I would love to see a wooden roller coaster, but I still like the idea of a Mystery Mine type of ride as well. Of course, I'd much rather have the wooden roller coaster but my second choice would the the MM. I was also hoping the Half-Dollar Holler was going to be an Adventure Mountain or something of the sort. I know my kids will love HDH but I think the Adventure Mountain would have been fun.
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^Only those administering the survey would know the numbers, and even if we did hear them they wouldn't necessarily indicate which direction the park is leaning towards. There's no telling how much they want to spend and what market they're trying to capture at this point. The park has done exceptionally well the past few years, but from the rumors I've heard we keep almost getting something big that never materializes. I don't know what their game plan is at this point, but the sure don't seem pressured to build any big time thrill rides right now.
I really think the park originally planned for a Euro-fighter on the WB lot, but delayed action due to budget issues caused by both the recession and of the parking boondoogle, and then scrapped the idea when MM didn't turn out to be quite the mass-market hit they expected it to be after spending $17 million on it. The wooden coaster would be a great choice instead of an Euro-fighter though. It'd be more reliable than PK, while hitting a similar market that is obviously pandering for more when you look at PK's lines.
The last few years have been pretty strange as far as additions go, but all the reorganization around and within the park points to them gearing up for major expansions down the road.
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Thanks for the response. Regardless of whether they put anything in or not for the 2012 season, SDC is still my favorite place to go and am satisfied with it. I love that is has something for the whole family. I'll always love SDC.
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Well, since the Ice House isn't an option, I guess I'll throw in my $0.02 about the presented choices.
I've always wanted a wooden coaster at SDC. But with that horrific excuse of a theme that doesn't really gel with the rest of the park, I reluctantly gotta go for the moon shot. I can't stand those rides, but it is most congruent with the rest of the park. I don't know where they are going to put it, but it's one of the few attractions that I could see fitting in to the space constraints of Midtown should they remove an old treehouse attraction that teases me with its previous glory every time I walk past.
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I think your going to find many of us disagreeing with about a woodie NOT being theme correct!
A Woodie would be the most obvious option from our point of view.
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I myself think it would be just as easy to theme a wooden rollercoaster as it would a moon shot. I don't see them putting a moon shot in Midtown. Watching a show at the Gazebo and watching people screaming and flying above the skyline would just spoil the whole experience. It's bad enough trying to listen to the Homestead Pickers while the sound of rollercoasters are off in the distance.
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I think your going to find many of us disagreeing with about a woodie NOT being theme correct!
A Woodie would be the most obvious option from our point of view.
Sanddunerider,
You may have misunderstood joecorn. I believe he was saying the woodie's theme (the bull) wouldn't gel with the overall park theme, not the woodie itself. I think we all can agree that a woodie would fit perfectly with the 1880s theme park.
As for the shot tower, I do agree with pintrader that management wouldnt replace the tree house with the shot tower. (at least I would hope not). If they do go with a shot tower, I would rather see it over between wildfire and powder keg and not at the old ww location. They could make the theme a continuation of wildfire's theme. This location would make traffic even worse but at least from that location riders wouldn't have views of the highway and the employee parking like they would by GG.
Anyways, just some of my thoughts. Whatever we get, I hope it is an instant classic.
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Yup, I think a woodie is a perfect fit for the park. I am just very concerned about the proposed theming.
It is one of those cases where I like the concept, but am scared of the execution. Up to now, most every attraction fits within the cohesive story the park is trying to tell. Even GE technically fits. But the theming described in the survey is almost like they found some kid working the front gate, and put him in charge with his only experience being having a copy of Roller Coaster Tycoon on his laptop.
So, I guess what I am saying is that even though I want to see a wood coaster in the park with everything in me, I would rather NOT see it if it is going to take the overall theme of the park in a different direction.
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Like I said before, don't worry about the theme or name that came with the description, a lot of the concepts SDC has presented to the public aren't very well fleshed out yet. They just want to gauge interest in a wooden coaster verses the other two options. There's a good reason why all the other attractions at the park fit in so well - they know what they're doing ;)
Granted, TGS's concept piece was fairly accurate as far as the theme went, but there have been others such as PK's that were just out there. I'm still trying to find PK's old concept pitch, if anyone has it. I remember it sounding a lot more like one of the crazy Thrust Air coasters with huge vertical hills.
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Yeah the bull idea just sounds like management attached a name and a quick story to some random woodie picture in order to have a third option. I bet they have file drawers full of several serious woodie theme ideas from over the years. I'm sure this isn't the first time they thought about adding a woodie to the park. :D Hope next year is the year of the woodie for sdc. Honestly, the fact they didn't put much effort in "selling" the 3rd option could be a good indicator for what management is wanting to do for the next major project. They already own a great woodie, it's just down the road from sdc, and they have the room to add it in the park.
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Out of all of the options given I am also supporting a rollercoaster (of whichever variety). Silver Dollar City seems to have sprout up a bunch of small footprint gimmicky rides such as the ones in the Grand Exposition. Yes, they serve their purpose, but I am ready for a big boy ride again that takes up a mountain side. ;D
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I would prefer us to focus on indoor rides, most Mid-west Park aren’t open in the early spring nor November and December. SDC is and I think we need to be able to offer more rides for the majority of the season. They would also come in handy when there is inclement weather and I am sure the employees at FITH would appreciate it too.
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First indoor woodie!!!!! ;D
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It's interesting you bring that up Copper because Silver Dollar City could feasibly do another indoor ride. Plus since most of the theme elements will be inside, you could build the building on say an old employee back lot next to the park, and only have to theme one side of the building.
This would be a great space saving move for the city. Similar to how the Grand Exposition used to be an employee parking lot years ago.
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I dont see an indoor coaster, Because of the shear expense to enclose it! BUT what a great idea!!
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It sure would be nice for management to invest the big $'s to make an amazing modern indoor coaster. Come on sdc, bring back the ice house idea!!!! ;)
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I would prefer us to focus on indoor rides, most Mid-west Park aren’t open in the early spring nor November and December. SDC is and I think we need to be able to offer more rides for the majority of the season. They would also come in handy when there is inclement weather and I am sure the employees at FITH would appreciate it too.
When I took the survey online I told them that very thing in the comments section. I said that while I think a woodie would be great that my vote went to Stagecoaster if it could be done as an indoor ride. Hey, I might make a difference...
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I dont see an indoor coaster, Because of the shear expense to enclose it! BUT what a great idea!!
I don't know that it would be as expensive as one might think - some of the bigger parks do it all the time, and after all, Mystery Mine is mostly enclosed as it is. It's theming the building that gets really expensive.
I'd LOVE to see another quality indoor ride custom made for the park. If they tried to do an indoor coaster, I would just hope they do something original or quality in there and not just put a wild mouse or other small coaster in a box like Six Flags has done.
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I'd LOVE to see another quality indoor ride custom made for the park. If they tried to do an indoor coaster, I would just hope they do something original or quality in there and not just put a wild mouse or other small coaster in a box like Six Flags has done.
Shavethewhales, i wish i could 'like' your post.
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Silver Dollar City already has plenty of experience with indoor rides such as Fire in the Hole, and the Flooded Mine. If they could capture that same creativity, and ingenuity that they had decades ago, they could certainly pull off another fantastic indoor ride.
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Sounds like a mystery mine!